Actress Jill Whelan

Actress Jill Whelan

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
I'm in space. It's the Alison Argram. Katy Perry's around
here somewhere, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yes, it's the Alison Argham Show. And I'm Alison Argham.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Now some of you may indeed remember me as Evil Neliolsen,
but tonight I have Alison at Argram and it is
the Alice at Argham Show. And here on the Alison
Oringham Show, we talk about things that make you feel good,
the movies and the TV shows that made us feel
good and the people who made them, and people who
are doing things now to make the world a better
and more interesting place. Now I am in space because

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normally I'm out in the living room with my stuff,
but I'm like hiding in the bedroom pregnant.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Like the cat may make an appearance. We don't know
what's going on.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I might change backgrounds, but we're very excited because we
have Okay, we talk about shows that make people feel good.
What could make you feel better than Love Boat? Love Boat?
The Love Boat was like just like the happiest show.
And I know because I got to be on it
when I finished The Little House, I did Love Boat
and Fantasy Island because you like have to do both

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of them, because like it's.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
The law and love.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
What was more fun to do the fantasy Island And
I got to meet the fabulous Jill Whalen and who actually.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Got me the job. And we'll talk about that, but
I indeed have Yeah, I have a love book Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Hello, Gus Hands.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Oh, I just adore you. How the hell are you?
I'm good?

Speaker 3 (01:40):
How are you? Thank you again for that beautiful bottle
of French wine by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Right, So I was in France. It was talking like I.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Want treats for French. You want treats from France because
I can get you treats for friend. And I went
to your house like I have wine.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
It was the sweetest thing ever ever. I loved it
and it was fam.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yes, because it's French.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh yeah, So I just I just got back from Friends.
I was there for what month was that March?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
I did nine.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Shows back to back and sold out. And I have
shows in October and I think two of them are
sold out already.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
I hapulous. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
They cannot get enough of the So it's it's a thing.
I've always adored you. And and yes, and when Pat
Labertou had you in a show I was.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
I was like, shut up, she has to come on
my show.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Oh well, I'm glad to be here, thank you. So
it is so crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
So yes, everyone remembers you from lot, but you were
so fabulous on the Love Boat, I mean, and it
was it was a happy show. And the impression I've
gotten it was a happy show for you as well
to be.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
On it was it was. I mean, I was extremely
lucky to have the cast that I did. We are
all still really really good friends.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
In fact, Ted Lange, Fred Grandy and I did to
play last March in Dexter, Yes, in Dexter, Michigan, and
it was amazing and so much so that now we're
doing a playoff Broadway this summer that Ted wrote Ted
Lange wrote for people who know Ted Lange played Isaac

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the Bartender. And it's a period yes, And it's a
period piece that is a true story, and it's about
this woman named Mary Bowser who was an African American
educated freed slave. And my character is Elizabeth van lew
and I play this sort of noble Southern woman from

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Virginia who's an abolitionist. And yes, and so my character
actually her family had owned slaves, and she freed this
Mary Bowser and sent her to New York and got
her educated, and then brought her back to infiltrate Jeff
for Saint Davis, the Confederate President's home.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
So that she could bring secrets to the North to
help them win the war.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Holy moly.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, and it's a true story. We do this.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
This is like, yes, okay, so we can get tickets
and we can see this and this is a thing.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yes, yeah, it might be. I think, on the gosh,
what is it.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
We start rehearsals on the eighteenth of August for two weeks,
and then we wrapped the show on September twentieth.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
So, oh, I be in town. I maybe I'll be
in the country. I may be able to actually come
see this.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Oh a weekend out of the country. How exciting I.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Could come to see this. This is like, you guys
from are all still friends.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I was very close the other day because this little house,
we're all eating each other's back pocket.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
It's like ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
By the way, if you if you do come to
the show, don't be shocked because I have to kiss
Fred Grandy.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well, that's okay. You like him. He's a nice person.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
I love him, but he's like my brother, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Oh okay, yeah, you grew up together literally, rank and
some shows people still all like each other. And this
comes up a lot because, as I said, a little
lot of people, we're gonna get sick of each other
by the end of this year.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
But we're always.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Around each other, and very few shows do this. You
see shows all the time the show ends, they don't
even speak to each other anymore. Yeah, yeah, I mean
they had the cast reunion of Friends, and a couple
of people admitted it was like, oh.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
When is your last time when you like you're filming
It's like character and Okay, Gilligan's Island. They all loved
each other. They're practically living together.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
The Walkins are very chummy mass oh yeah, very tight
mash cast and then Little.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
House we're just like in each other's back pocket.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
And then you guys love Vote and then everybody else
hates each other.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
I just think it's craziness.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
I mean, the only thing that I can speak of
it's our cast, And I think the reason we have
become so close is well, first of all, it was
a ten year stint, so that's you know. Yeah, And
I think when you're traveling together as a cast and
working and living in hotels and ships together, I mean
you get, you get, you have to get close, and
you have to weed out what doesn't work and figure

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it out. And and it really is attributed I think
to Gavin McLeod and to Bernie Compel, who in the
very beginning said, you guys are all young, you don't
know anything.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
You are so lucky to be a working actor.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yes, you had no idea how good this deal is.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yes, it was an environment when I was there, I
remember how pleasant it was because okay, little house, we
were all spoiled rotten, because it was a great place
to work, and all of us kids retreated so well,
and a lot of people as soon as they left
and worked anywhere else went whoa, whoa, wow, what is
going on? Because it's just it wasn't the same environment.

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It was often very tense.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Things usually weren't as efficient as a little house where
we're like, oh we're done now, hahaha.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Oh yeah, because it was all kids, so you guys
had to be done by a certain.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Time, had to be done. And even Michael also was
like this is what we're filming.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
He had all the shots already set up, We had
the callsure, we knew was shooting this man, and we
were like bang, bang bang. I go over to other
shows and they're like, well, we're not ready, what is
happening here? And well, like the girls who were Baby
Gray's the twins, they came off the show. They did
like one commercial after Little House because the environment was

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so different. Their mother was horrified. She was like, this,
this is how they treat children on sets. Oh right,
it was the last What was I thinking?

Speaker 2 (07:31):
And so they're like we going back to kindergarten and
that was the thing. It was so different. But when
I came to love.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Them, I was like, oh well this is these people
are great, this is lovely. I'm so glad, so welcoming
and friendly and I had a good time. And of
course that was the way I got to be, you know,
the evil Becky Daniels and Nancy Club Nancy freaking Cull
played my aunt Gert.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
What a classic thing I got to hang it with
to go for week. But what asks me up about
how I did love it? You got me the job?

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Did you You had been hanging out with Melissa gil
Did you went to buck Did you get to Buckley?

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah, mel and I went to Buckley. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Person I was the little like private school Juvenalle de
Lanquin over you know, Bancroft in Hollywood High. But you
guys were a Bucket, so you knew Melissa Gilbert often.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
So there's a crazy they're having a meeting and.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
It's like going over hekay, here's the scripts that we're
going to be doing in the next few months.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Whatever. Any comments, and the Becky Daniels think of.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
This horrid little girl, this actress who's horrid and mean
and hates everybody's miserable and doesn't have any friends, and.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
You apparently said, well you should.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
You can't get Alison aringrem. I was like, and you said, well,
I hang out with Melissa Gilbert. I've already heard she's
like really fun.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
I want to go like, hey, I want to hang
out with her. Let's get her over here.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
But that you said this is a gimme that Chico
was Nillie Olsen come and play Becky Daniels.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Duh, it's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, yeah, and it was you. You were earlier.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
You told them that they did My dad and my friend.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
That's shocking in itself that they listened to the kid.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
They completely listened to you. You were right, they were
you know, she's absolutely right. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
And next thing I know there, I am so I
thank you well, I'm so glad.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
You did it, and I'm so glad that you had
a good time, because that's the other thing I was
going to say about that. Gavin McLeod and Bernie Koppel
said when we started the show, they set the tongue
just like Michael did for you guys, and they said,
you know, this is our show, which is kind of
like our home. So when people come to our home,

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we welcome them like they're coming to our home and
we are hosts to them.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
You don't just walk into the makeup room and sit
down and get your makeup done.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
You walk into the makeup room, you see a guest
person who you know it's a guest because they're not
there every week, and you say, Hi, I'm Jill Wheel
and I just want to tell you how much we
are so excited that you're here. And if you need anything,
and please don't hesitate to ask sort of thing. And
we were trained by them to do that, so I'm
so glad you had a good time.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I get well.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
You also know it was a guest star because it
was like Olivia de.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Havland, right, exactly exactly like people, where do you have
Marion Ross and Andy.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Warhol in a scene together?

Speaker 2 (10:23):
I don't think everyone realizes Andy Warhol was on the
love boat.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
They don't ever didn't know that Andy Warhol was on
the freaking love boat, because that's really like I know,
I know, and Tom eggs you love But did he
have a romance?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Who did he play Tom?

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Did they happen to be Andy Warhol? He played himself.
He played himself.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
So the storyline was that Marion Ross came on with
Tom Bosley playing her husband, which was of course cute
and adorable and fabulous, and she was very prim and
proper as her character coming on as an.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
As a more senior lady.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
And what she had a big secret was is that
when she was younger, she was one of Andy Warhol's muses.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
And it was a wild life.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
So she kept trying to avoid the whole thing, and
then he saw her and that was it.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
So she was secretly Eaedie Sedgewick or yes, yes, yes, yes,
bonkers but how genius, how completely genius that that would
be a thing. I had so much money. No, I
didn't get to go out on the boat.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
I mean, oh, we would have been the best time.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
That was like you'd get tons of footage of the ocean.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
And then fake it out totally for the rest of
the other three hundred and sixty four days of the year.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
But now some people did get to film on the boat.
Charlo always got to go on the boat.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Charl I'm wondering if Charle actually no, I don't. I don't.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
I'm not sure if she did, but so many people did.
We went out six weeks a year, and we did.
We did three shows and you can tell the difference.
I mean you can see the way, yeah, the wind
blowing like this as opposed to its blowing like this.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Which was totally different. But yeah, and then you would
see the locations because I mean we.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Were we were a veritable walking tour guide when they
would say on welcome to Sydney, Australia.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
You know the Sydney Bridge was built in ble blah
blah blah.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
And it's so many feet tall, you know, because that's
what you do in normal conversation when you're walking through
Sydney as you you talk about that.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
So, yeah, I did the one I remember leaning on
that big like six foot little piece of railing that's
a screen and went, oh.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
The ocean is so good with the rear projection.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yes, nothing, just in a room and people are like,
did you go on the boat though? There was a
little hunk of reeling that like stopped like over there, and.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
There's a little a little pan of water with some
guy stirring it with a wooden paint stick so that
it looks like the reflection of the water and somebody
with a fan over there.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yes, the only water we had was because what we like,
I made you my stunt double for the evil brat child,
so you got hit with all the pies and soaked
in water and with the which was a blast by
the way, that was great. Well we got to wear
those like bad Seed yelled the yellow raincoat and yellow
hat that was totally out of like that Patty McCormick

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end of the Bad Seed when you go to the
I were like that I had the braid to put
me braids, so I was like, of course they did.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
It was so insane and I had so freaking and you.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Were so good. You were so good just the comedic timing.
You're just great with it.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Because it was that thing of where, like, you know,
the sort of like multiple personality thing where Hi, yes,
so good to be on your boat, captain and Girk
keep them away from me, you know, do that stick.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
And I've always love that. I've always found that like
hilariously funny.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
So you have this whole life where you're like years
and years on this, this fabulous boat show, but the
damn thing's a hit and you do get along with
the people and it like it works out.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
It works out like everybody's okay.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
After dear dear friends, I mean really really close friends,
it's we're so lucky, we're so blessed that we are.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
And then, weirdly in your life after this, you actually
wound up working with Princess Cruises.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yes, I didn't have enough.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Uh, I might have had enough of the show, but
I didn't have enough of traveling with on a cruise ship.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah. Pretty awesome, Yes, work if you can get it.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
So, yeah, my relationship with Princess has been amazing.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
But it's kind of interesting how it all happened. I
owe it to Tory Spelling. Actually I know because Tory
Spelling was it was the fiftieth anniversary of Instans Cruises
and they had fifty guest stars that were going to
come on the ship, and then the original cast us
were going to christen the new ship.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Of course, so that's what it was.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
But then they were going to have Tory Spelling interview
these fifty guest stars, and at the very last minute,
Tory pulled out, so they had nobody to interview. And
they called me pr said you would you be able
to do this favor and just interview these people? And

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I really didn't understand what it was I was doing,
but I was, of course sure, why not whatever of them?

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Right? But it was easy because I knew all fifty
of them. They had all been on.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
The show, so it was super easy and it was
super effortless and it was worked out great.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
They thank god.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
They were impressed and they're like, oh, you could represent us,
so you and Gavin are now going to be Brad
you know, brand ambassadors, And that's how it's That's how
it's been ever since, and it's been the most wonderful relationship.
I love everybody at this company. They're just nice people.
And it's been a dream.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
What a fantastic gig, What a perfect gig, And you've
done so much.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
You were doing what was that weird thing you were doing?

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Where was it at some like business conferencing and you
had a show and then we had me pop in
by video?

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Oh god, what was that?

Speaker 1 (16:32):
It was great again, it did a whole video. We're like, yes,
I loved it. I was suddenly in your show by
video and you were somewhere.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Like in Texas or something. It was bonkers, it was.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
It was in North Carolina, and yes, and it was
just that these people had asked me to come and
speak and it was for a bank and they invited
people and they sold tickets.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
And thank you Glenn Scarpelly for getting me that.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
To It was Glenn Scarpelly was all tangled up in this,
that is correct, and it was just it was lovely.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
I made some good friends from there, and you know,
it was just a fun, little crazy gig that I've
never done in my life where I just sit and
talk about my life for an hour, Like, who's interested
in talking about my life for an hour? I've got
ten minutes and that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
I think, I think, I think clearly people are well,
of course I have a whole shore. I get up
and talk about my life for an hour and a
half and people buy tickets to it. I don't know,
but so I know, I think you could totally do that.
I think you could tour with the whole one woman show.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Well, we're going to have to have a conversation about
that because I'd like to be touring in France.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Maybe we need to put together a show.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
We need to get together, because I mean, I wrote
a one woman show, get together.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
I've done a one woman show. But no, I didn't
take it to France.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
I'm the foolsy bit. I did have to go back
to school and learn French.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Do you speak French?

Speaker 1 (17:50):
The Okay, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Okay, yeah that's how they got WHOA. Well that's start.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
I do watch the Parisian Agency. Have you ever seen
that show?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yes, yes, it's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Okay, psessed.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Well then there you are, so you're halfway there of course.
So yeah, I think I think we should we should
hook you up with the French and Quasius samuse quasi
quasi Samuse.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yes, muse and uh, I talk.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
About it in my French show because it's just so
darn funny. And uh they say, oh, what type of
person did you.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Play in it? And I say, in past the Comelio and.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
I love it. I love it.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
I love it. So yeah, now you should have a
one woman show. Have you done a book yet?

Speaker 4 (18:41):
I'm like, I haven't, but I'm I'm I'm starting to
really think about it now.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
I I when I was a kid, I wrote three books.
But they were not autobiographies. They oh they were you know,
you know how it was when we were kids.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
People would come to you with these ideas, and so
it was three books that was called just for us.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
And it was son growing up as a child.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
It was like puberty Guides from child starts, Yes these things, Yes.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yes, an elongated tiger beat.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Article, Yes, yes, to be popular boys don't really like
girls who wear too much makeup?

Speaker 4 (19:16):
It was yeah, yeah, got yes, oh that is delicious.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yes, so we owned it. But yeah you could.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
I mean absolutely, And I think, like in the intro
to the book, you should start with like and here's
my last book where I told you how to like
fall with your nails and like have clean teeth and then.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Three marriages later. Let me share.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's like that good dirt.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
But you know, that's the kind of experiences that make
a great one woman shown a great book, as I
should know.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
But no, I'm terrible.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
I'm always I'm sounding like I'm your manager or something.
I'm always encouraging people like, yeah, write a book, write
a book, do a show, do a show.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
You love working on it. I'm working on it.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
And you have an interesting enough life and interesting enough
that it would be a scream and a half.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
I think it would.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
I mean, I know Andy Warhol, so there you have it.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, I didn't know about with Andy Warhol.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
H it's oh my god, the people you had it
was really amazing. Now, okay, my episode was Oh the
British guy, the tall, blonde, cute British guy, Anthony.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Oh, yes Edwards.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yes, and he'd been in danger uix B and Yes,
Brideshead re visited.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I had the biggest crush on him, and I didn't
realize untill I got there that he was going to
be the episode. I had no idea it's going to
be the episode I got there. Oh my god, Nancy,
help was my aunt?

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
My God, all these great people, and then I went.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Shut the hell up, and I looked at the call
sheet and he walks, and I'm like, and I know.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
The problem was I was nineteen, so I I guess.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I could have, in theory gone on a day, but
I was dressed like I was twelve, in that freaking
Patty McCormick, yellow Mac and the braids. So I'm like
trying to talk to that's kind oh, trying to flirt
with Anthony.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
I'm like trying to hit on him. And he's like,
what a nice little girl. He let me sign an
autograph book.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Little that's like me and Rex Smith, same thing. You know,
my knee socks said, you know, yeah, yeah, pirates of
Pen's ants. For God's sake.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
He was almost to get my idea.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Actually, oh my gosh, that's so funny.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Where were we Why did we have these candid conversations
back then?

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Right because we were so young, so young, and we
grew up. You grew up very well, as she said
to people from Little House, we like to say, you know,
no rest, no convictions.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Were very proud.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yes, yes on TMC with no pants there's stupid yet yes, yes,
see she knows.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
I'm just gonna get a necklace that says yet maybe.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
That's the title of the book.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Oh, I mean it's gonna have some love but thing
it's gonna be yes my boat of life and what
I haven't done.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Oh maybe that's there. You go, there, you go.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I'm writing your book terrible. I'm the publicist for your book.
But yeah, it's it is that you were in a good.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Of supportive, proper environments and you have turned out to
look look at you.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
The fabulous person who does fabulous.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Things well likewise likewise thank you, so mutual admiration society.
So podcast every Okay, this is now twenty twenty five
where everyone and their cat has a freaking podcast and
the law it's the law like love of fact. Now
it's you must have a podcast. I have to have
this The Alson Arraam Show and then the Little House
fiftieth Anniversary Official Podcast with Me and the fabulous Dean

(22:48):
Butler Almans and uh Famela bob A.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Out of New York.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
She wrote this web series called Living on a Prairie
that is hilarious. It's it's about a woman is so
obsessed with Little House in the Prairie can barely function
or have normal relationship because everything is a I play
her therapist.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Oh yeah, genius, it's that meus.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
She really gets the whole fan milieu zeitgist. And so
she and Dean and I we've interviewed like everybody from
the show. We've had people historians come talk about what
it all means, and so it's a hoots we do that.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
We do this.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
So you have now two podcasts as well, yes, yes,
the first podcast, well, the one that makes that dovetails.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Into that is that Fred Grandy, ted Lange and I
are as we speak, just starting to bank some episodes
of the Official Love Boat Podcast, and we've gotten Loretta
Switt so far. We have Jimmy Walker so far. Obviously,
we have the amazing and fabulous Lauren Tweeze. We have
the amazing and fabulous Bernie.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Coppel, and we are going to have many, many more.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
I mean we literally just so okay, we haven't even
aired anything yet.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
I'm not even sure they're edited yet. That's how new
that that just starts.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, speaking of someone doing an official Little House podcast,
I highly recommend it. I think the Official love Podcast
will be freaking awesome.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
When you start.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Writing, Yeah, when you start working your way through the guests, Oh, don't.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
You worry, I absolutely will. Don't don't. You'll be called.
You will be called.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
I think I might still have my Becky Daniels sweatshirt
because they made me a sweatshirt.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
They had all these prop things aside the beck Daniels
Show with a bit, I.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Think I have like everything from oh my gosh, that's
so great that you have.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
That, Oh my gosh, I will I will wear it
if you I love it.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
I would love it. I would love it. And so
then the other.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Podcast, Society, and the other podcast, your other podcast.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
The other podcast is called empty Nesters, and it's with
my really good friend Leah Mangham, who's married to the
fabulous Jonathan Mangham, who is one of the co hosts
on Let's make a Deal with Wayne, and he's okay, yes,
and he's also on whose line is it anyway? And
all various and sundry other things that he does. But

(25:10):
Leah and I are We met because our kids were.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
In school together since the third grade.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
And so when the actors strike happened, or either the
actor's strike or the writer's strike, I.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Can't remember which, but it was were into one another.
There was no work they did right.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
So she and I were on the picket lines and
I just remember saying to her, Leah, do you have water?

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Are you wearing sunscreen? And she looked at me, she
goes what and our children? This was our senior year
for our kids. She's like, what are you doing? Go
I don't need a mother, And I just realized. I
was like, oh, this is I know what this is.
If I'm going to play therapist.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
I'm getting nervous because my final baby is flying the
coop and we are about to be empty masters. And
so I said, you know, we should do a podcast
about that, because this is a real thing with men and.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Women our generation.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
That's it's happening where it's like now the kids are
grown and there, and then you have the elderly parents
of the gap generator.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
And who are we if we're not these moms all
the time. Because Leah and I were, you know, the
head of the gala, we were the head of the
Halloween committee.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
And the things and yes, all the things, and so
don't you have to drive children everywhere?

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Now?

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Every day we drive them places because they have all
these activities and you can wed.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Them out in a new birth and the parents are like,
we were.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Dead peoples, We were dead moms.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
So we would do the camping trips, we would build
the birdhouses with them, we would get the patches and
all of that stuff. And now and for me, my
kids are ten years apart, so I had, you know,
like a twenty year span of active parenting.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
And she has three, she.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Has two boys, and so we just were like, okay,
we need to do a podcast to talk about There's
so many things people don't think about about being empty nesters.
You what, how do you how do you reacquaint yourself
with your spouse if you're still married or in my case,
if you're married to a different spouse than your children's husband.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
How do you all of a sudden go from single
mom to married mom with her children to then here
we are together. Well, my husband's like.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yes, five time, finally right, right?

Speaker 3 (27:24):
And what do we do with our day?

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Start having conversations like an adult that don't involve do
you need a clean nex to blow your nose or
something hang on your face and you wipe your mouth,
and did you think and cover your mouth when you cough,
and here's some water, and didn't know you're wearing that?
And do you need you need a clean shirt?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
What do we do right?

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Or when they're eighteen? Listen, if you're going to go
out tonight and make good choices. Remember, the internet is forever,
you know, it's all of those things, and who are
we if we're not that person? So we talk about
all of that stuff, But then we also talk about
being of a certain age and how our bodies are
changing and what does that mean? How are we you know,
about health and nutrition and the fact that for women

(28:06):
working out and eating healthy, all of those diets and
all of the workout equipment, everything that's been done has
been modeled for men. There is no workout equipment that
has been measured on women. And they call it the
pink shrink. So if you make a tennis shoe for
a guy, and that's what they do, Oh, we'll just
make it smaller and make it in pink, and that's
what it's called.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Are indifferent that arch neat?

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah, our muscles as women literally are different in terms
of when men work out.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
It's really good for them not to eat before they
work out because their bodies work better with that kind
of stress, where women do not. That's why women don't
lose weight as.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Quickly as men, because we're modeling ourselves on a male
workout program.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
So that's the difference.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
That's the whole medical world.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Almost every medication, medical procedure, every drug for every condition.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
The test groups.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
When they say, oh, we tested in on thousands of
people and all of them were men, and most of
them were white men, and it was like a com meal.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
They like, Okay, there's.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
A high rate of cardiac disease in the African American community. Yeah,
did you test any of the drunk women disease on
any anyone African American.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Or any of the women who met No.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
They're like any African American women.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
It's in the last few years that they just started
testing drugs and women just start trusted on people who
were not white men at that and going like, well, wait,
how is it that?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Uh yeah, it's it's it's a huge problem.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
There are whole classes of drugs that they never tested
any precisely prescribing those.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
And so that's that's Those are some of the things
we talk about. It's really women focused things, but we do.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
Have men on too a lot, because there are a
lot of the guys we don't think of it as that,
but there are fathers who where yeah, that was what
they did, and now there they're retiring, maybe from their job,
and the kids are leaving, and they're like, back right.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
And who are we if we're not parents first?

Speaker 4 (30:08):
And how do we how do we do that delicate
dance of letting go and and but you know, still
having a relationship with our children, but learning how to
have a relationship with.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
An adult rather than the child.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
And the most painful part which Mel Robbins talks about
all the time, with our children, letting them, letting them,
what are.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
You gonna do?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
You have? At some point you get well.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
And that was when I visited you at your fabulous
house and gave you that bottle of wine. You gave
me a tour and said, but we're not gonna be
here that much longer because all of the children are
leaving or on, and we're going to be moving to
a much smaller.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Place because we got this is this is where all.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
The kids did all these things, and we're not hearing
the last tour or anybody's getting to this house.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
You know, it was funny because when my my older one,
because their tenures apart, is already out of the house
and engaged, but my younger one had gone away.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
I'm trying. Oh he went away for a senior trip.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
And the house was so quiet that I just looked
at my husband and I said, I I can't.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
I can't live in this house. I can't. It's too quiet.
It's too the quiet is so god blessed noisy.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yeah, And so we decided to just do a whole
change of pace, and we changed and that's what that's
what we did.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Now, did your kids give you any attitude about that?

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Because I have known people where and I've even known
people where they were the younger person saying, oh, no,
my parents moved, so like my room's out there and
they got another place.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
And I'm like, you're thirty seven, where you playing moving back?
But when? And you know, and there.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Are people who were like so attached to the idea
of their parents living in the same place, and I
can go back in the den in the basement, it's
it's like and then they're like, no.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
No, you can't have a life. You're supposed to be
a museum.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
To my childhood, you know, thankfully I didn't. I mean,
my kids, we've moved into several different houses, so it's
not like they had one house that was like that's
the house and the the this at the risk of
sounding like a helicopter parent, and I really don't, I
promise you I'm not. When my son decided where he

(32:26):
was going to college out of state, coincidentally, that happens
to be the state.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Where we moved.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Oh, just coincidentally. There's no, no, it's totally like we're
following you. We're following you.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Follow No, not at all, Allison, why do you ask?
But but he has his space and we're not in
his face all the time.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
So so he is yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no,
he's he's he's good and he has his own space
and his own thing and so but.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, so so there's that stuff.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
So so that one is really more of an anthem
of where my age group is now where the Love
Boat one is just fun and it's about talking to
people like you about that show and kind of behind
the scenes what happened backstage.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
So that kind of a thing a bent of people.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I mean, with Little House, obviously we have all the
episodes where people are dying and everybody cries and things,
but and love Boat seems more like it's fun and
they're on a boat.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
So like I said, he always feel good. But there
are people who this meant a lot to.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
There are people who were having like a horrible time
for some reason or a bad day when I'm gonna
go watch love Boat and I'm going to feel better
about my show and my life. I'm gonna watch love
Boat and these people are nice and they're nice to
each other, and they get that and they have a
good time, and I'm gonna go always happy ending right,
and that's important. And people think, oh, with a little
fluffy show, somebody somewhere is getting through the day because

(33:52):
they can sit down and just watch themselves some love
Boat and calm down.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
It's funny. And also the thing that I hear the
most from.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
People is this was the kind of show where I
could sit with my grandmother, yes, and spend an hour
with my grandmother and we would both get something out
of it and spend an hour together sharing an experience,
experiencing different things. And that's my I think my favorite
legacy from the show is that that we somehow were

(34:22):
a conduit for two different generations to find some common
ground and find something special about each other.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
And I and I love that part of it.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
I think that we gotten that with Little Household.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
They'll say, I used to watch show with my grandmother
and she's gone, and my memory of her is watching yours.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
So the nast thing.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Well, and they also get with the stars you had
because oh Olivia doesn't meet Andy Warhol?

Speaker 2 (34:48):
What?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
And then all these young people coming up, So yeah,
you would have these famous famous people that mom or
grandma would go, oh my god, I saw her movies.
I saw her movies in the theater. This is that
incredible woman. I grew up watching her.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
And Lily, Wow, I don't know who that is. And
then the grandma was like, who's that? Oh that young
the teenage person on there.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
There's a kid, they're on the show, blah blah blah.
Absolutely yeah, it's I mean, we had Lillian Gish on li.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
I mean people, there's just no way, there's no good
way for young people to understand who Lily and Gish
is except for she was in movies before there was sound,
yes what.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
And I afterd it, Lily engaged a chance for romance?

Speaker 2 (35:29):
What did she what did she do?

Speaker 3 (35:31):
If you can remember, I'll be very happy because I can't.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
You know, we had over a thousand guest stars, so
it's super hard to Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Had no romance because I mean, a, I was playing
much younger and then you were busy.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I was I was playing a horrible person who's busy.
But then what happens. Finally you showed me the meeting
of friendship, and that was the thing. It was like
Vicky where I'm looking at the not the ocean, on
the not the railing, and you come up and you're like, hey, yeah,
I know everybody wants from you, but I'm just sorry
that didn't work out, and I'll be your friend or whatever.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
And I'm so floored that someone is not just like you,
for you jerk like me and.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Doesn't want things that so I can be friends with.
And it's a lovely episode, even that one. But I
did not get a romance. And like everybody I know,
even even.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Melissa when she was on that, there was like a
boyfriend thing everybody's got around Neo know.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
I know we should have had you on a second time.
Had I known I had the power to get you
out of the first place.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Did you realize you had firing power? Whatever the hell
you were right?

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Oh my gosh, no, And I'm glad I didn't know
that because that's a lot to process.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
But I think it was because.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
You made the case and you were dead right. You
were like, this is terribly obvious, and they were, yes, yes,
it is.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
So I'm so glad.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I'm so glad you did so in growing up in Hollywood,
and I know, like when you're on patcho's amazing.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
You know you started in theater. Do you think that
that helped?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Because we hear Campton child stars it's weird, It's always
gonna be weird.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Growing up famous, it's different.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
But starting in theater, musical, comedy and these things, starting
on stage before being flung into television.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Do you think that that helped and that is why
you were well rounded in seeing I.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Think it helped with the discipline party.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
But I think the reason that I haven't been arrested
yet yet it is because of my mom. Honestly, you know,
you and I can have this conversation, and we have
had this conversation, But there's so many kids that are
in this industry whose parents have the dream way more
than the kids do, and they get really intimidated or

(37:54):
romanced by the power, the money, whatever it is. And
that's not a good, good recipe for a healthy childhood
because it is a business.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
And and so.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
When you happen to have the good fortune to be
on a successful show, they will cater to you differently
than what is healthy for a child's upbringing.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
And I remember having.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
A producer one day, the first day I was on
my series before love Boat, which was called Friends, different show.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
And the producer picture of that online. You were durable.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
The producer came up and said to my mom right
in front of me, if there's anybody on this set
that Jill doesn't like, just let us know. One will
have them fired.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
She I told you you had the power to hire,
and I know where is it now. Listen, you have
that people, just let you hire.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
This is crazy. But my mom looked at the producer
and started laughing and said.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
If you ever give my daughter this kind of power ever,
we will be out of here before the ink on
the contract is dry.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
And too weird.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
It's too I mean, you go from well I didn't,
but these some of these unfortunate kid actors go from having.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
All of the power so when the show is over,
becoming no one. And Danny Bontaducci.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Also shares a great story, which is when he said
he was in you know, and his parents were not
well to do, and he was the red winner for
the family. So there's that pressure as well, Danny, you
have to get to the set because otherwise, you know,
we have a mortgage.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
To pay or whatever.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
But when he tells this story about he was being
disciplined by his mom at home and she said, you.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Go to your room, and he said, which one? I
own all of them. And it's unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Gary Coleman had that problem with his family, and it's
a it's not.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Healthy for children, and it is a business.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
And unless you have a parent who really really respects
their role as being a parent and is willing to
forego all of it for their child's upbringing and do
the hard parenting being the being the bad guy, it's
a very slippery slope to put.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Also to stay it's not my money, it's the child,
the person who went to work, and that's supposed to
go in the bank.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
And you know, Jackie buy Them thinks.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
We should be put aside and or pay for orthodonics
or something like that, and not just have the parents
start spending it, because then you are you're being supported
by your kid. And that is I got to work
out and in my parents they had jobs, right and
also they were show folks. They were in theater. And yes,
my father did because he was a manager. He was
a manager way before I started working. And so it

(40:43):
was actually like, well, I guess I could manage you
since I'm here, as opposed to I shall now be
a manager who's already working for brought to Debbie Reynolds.
He's like, but they had jobs, and so they were
very clear that it was my money. My mother went
to work and I got a job.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Oh youh good, you got a job.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
I had the trust fun And now it was kind
of bizarre because what they did is I had a
checking account at thirteen.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
I don't mean too and right about my father cos
on my checks.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
But I paid I paid for my braces, I bought
a guards and you know, I was sort of like
self support, but I wasn't paying the rent.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
They had to go work because they it was like
everybody has.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
A job, and correct.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
That made some more sense. And then the educational thing.
I mean I was forced to go at the time,
I complained, it's tax time. You have to come to
the accountant because you're finding Texas.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Did you know you're get the car?

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Oh gosh, that's great. That that is really good because
I'm so hard.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
And they like wake up, wake up, pay attention, and
he just kind of go over here and see that
you spent this, and this is so much you made.
This is so much a take out. So you're getting
some money back. But here's and it's like, yeah, and
you're under eighteen, so you can't have like a mortgage
or credit card or any of the stuff that's exedicctable.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
We got to work on that, and but it was crazy.
So I learned stuff.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
And I'm no no CPA or but I, as a
young person, knew some things about how taxes worked. I
know people my age now who don't have the slightest
idea what they can deduct and have like no clip
and I'm like, you want that receipt, Yeah, yeah, you
want that receipt.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
It was out of ten ninety nine or a W two.
Which kind of money is that? It's because and I
have some vague.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Idea what the heck is going on because they like
were like they're going, they're gonna make money.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Your learning was very smart parents, and I.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Called medium when I was eighteen took It's like, oh,
I got my trust from what am I doing? You're
getting in the car with a real estate agent. We're
taking you and you're socking it into real estates.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
What you're doing? Oh okay, I guess I'm doing that
so smart? And my mom did Yeah I did I
spend some money. Did I spend it on stupid things?

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
I did, But I know where we're go I know well,
I know where every stupid thing went.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
I saw it all I could account for it. It
was all my stupid things. Okay, but it's my own
stupid decisions.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
And stupid decisions. That's the name of my book.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
But I still I mean, my friends go god you
actually it's like, yeah, the first Nicola ever made.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I go not quite but close. And that's the thing.
I think it's the educational But it sounds like you did.
You had the education, you knew how much you were making,
you had an account, you had money.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
In the battle. No I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
I didn't know what I made until I was an adult.
But my mother socked it all away, so she put
it away.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
She socked it to buy herself a boat.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Well, no, I had, I could have before my first marriage.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
I know that feeling. Yes, yes, yes, you know.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Something happens when we turn eighteen and then we just
some of us. You didn't.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
You are because your mother took you into the account.
See that's the one thing that my mother was a
spectacular parent, spectacular, no complaints.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
The only thing I would say is I wish she
had made me a little bit more fiscally fluent.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Little financial awareness, basic finance education, which is yeah, we
can talk about in the schools, like people graduate school
and they can't like rent an apartment.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
And I'm trying to make a fricking skirt. Do I
need that today?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
I haven't made any skirts. Yeah, you know, And that
my parents were into the independence.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
I remember when I had to take the public bus
to school, when I started doing that, when I got
to being like junior hig high school, and the day
before school started, my dad said, well let's go, and
we went down the street and we got on the
bus and he said, oh, we have to buy a transfer. Okay,
so you're going to need this much for the transfer.
And we had a dry run, went to school and
back and figured out which bus to take the transfer
and he said, well, there, off you go.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Were you on the west coast or were you on
the east coast.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
West Hollywood, La?

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yeah, okay, I went to Bancroft.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
I went to Hollywood High.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
I was one of those people which was on the
set when I was working. It's the three hour school
and the fabulist teacher's little house.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
We had to really good teachers. And then I'd go
back to school for a couple.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Of weeks, then I go to work. And so I
was like, that was very confusing, the back and forth,
back and filth, which I did that too. I did
that too, But at least I had my friend. Did
you keep friends from when you were really young? Because
I had friends that I knew from when.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
I was little.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
And yes, my one of my friends from school is
the one who introduced me to my husband.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
He set us up.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
So we want people who don't care, who already know you,
as you correct.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Correct, absolutely, yeah, no, the ones who did care are
haven't been in my life for years. But it's the
ones you know, you know, they eventually peel off.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Or they stay there.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
So yeah, yeah, so that was really a good thing.
That was a really good thing to have those people.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
You're on a podcast, we give advice.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
I mean, I guess my two things about what advice
would you give to a young person who is going
to take up acting, who has got the bug and
is talented and is going to do theater, TV or whatine?

Speaker 2 (45:56):
What advice for them? And then what advice do you
give to women in our age group? We're trying to
figure out how to deal generally.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Now, okay, so first of all, I will say that
I don't give the advice on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
We solicit the advice from guests and we are like, yeah,
what are we supposed to do? But to answer your
first question that I can answer because you and I.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
Are both experts on that, oh yes, And it is
get an education. And if a parent comes up and says,
should I get my kid in the business, No, if
your kid wants to get in the business, let them
get them themselves into the business.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Like I did you know?

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Because right didn't you?

Speaker 3 (46:33):
You did?

Speaker 4 (46:33):
You?

Speaker 2 (46:34):
What wrote to somebody and didn't even tell you an.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Agent, correct, you you hit up an agent and forgot
to like mention it to your mom.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Correct. And that's that's somebody who's really passionate about it.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
But when these parents are like, oh, my kid loves
to sing and they really like good to have them
do it in school, Absolutely do it in school until
they are right, because it is a business.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
And I wouldn't have my child as an actor.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
I wouldn't just noticed that almost everybody who was a
child star like they're like, no, no, how about your kids? No?

Speaker 2 (47:09):
No, because very rare, very very very seldom.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Do people have the experience you had with Michael Landon
with the kids. And I mean I came out not unscathed.
I mean, Doug Kramer was a horrible, horrible misogynist. And
I can say that now because he's dead. I've never
said it until he passed away.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
But he was Aaron Spellings. He actually brought The Love
Book to Aaron Spelling.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
So, but Doug was a horrible misogynist and he was
awful to us, to both Cindy and Louren Twey's and I.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
He would tell the wardrobe department to make our clothes smaller.
So when we came that we thought we'd gained weight.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Or not just to make it like tight, like sexy,
but to like make you think you're back.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yes, because he didn't like the fact that we were overweight.
I mean, it was a it was.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
A horrible That part was awful, but we were so
so lucky with our cast and our crew.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Our crew was wonderful. But I wouldn't want that for
my kid.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
I wouldn't want my kids to feel like their entire
worth was wrapped up in the way they looked physically,
which in this business, I mean you and I both
know it. It's unfortunately a part of the business. And
to be able to sustain that, or to survive that,

(48:32):
you have to have a really good sense of self.
And that's very hard for a young young person to have.
You learn that in life.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
You learn that, oh right, I mean my late teens
in early twenties, it was brutal.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
I did not care for it.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
But now my big slogan is and our podcast t
shirt team actually made a T shirt of it.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Beauty is fleeting, but villainy is forever.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Haha. I love that.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
But see my gratitude now.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
So it's like, but this is something that we spend
every day of our lives really trying to overcome.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
And and look, you and I both do it with humor,
but it was.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
A thing, you know, And and it's very very hard
for It's hard enough for adult who's in our industry
to have to rub the shields, so you don't really
take that stuff in and and and attack yourself with it,
let alone a kid.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
So I would tell any.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
Parent in the world, let them do community theater and
let them hang out, let them go to school, get
an education, have something else so that when they walk
into an audition as an adult, they're not.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Desperate because they know they can buy their own dinner.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yes, they have something else. They can go to film school,
drama school. Maybe that's the thing. But you can you
can be a creative person.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
You can sing, you can act, you can do that
and not be in show business or be on TV.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
That's those those are different things.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Maybe you're going to be on TV as some people
are wired for it.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
But yeah, if you are wired.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
That, yeah, And that's where we see is so many
of the young people they were not mentally wired for this,
but their parents were like this, this will be a
great idea.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
I've always loved Hollywood. I'm gonna put my child in it.
Look how cute they are. Smile, smile here, I'll give
you a lollipop if you just do this one thing.
You know.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
See, that's that's who I was playing on The Love.
But that's who Becky Daniels was. Becky Daniels was that
person and that's why she was freaking miserable.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Well, now we've come full circle, right right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Anchor tells her not to eat. She tells me, yes,
she only gets like the jello, and.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Which I then go, I never have any fun.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Oh my gosh, that's right. I love that you were.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Remember all of these lines I was, I was, I
was that perspect dad. I was playing the halfless ex
child star was forced into it, and Chaousin sued, Yeah,
so it'll it all makes sense now, Well you have
a fab life, and I'm I have to like, I can't.
I cannot wait for the Love? But podcast, where do
people find you? Or do they find you online? Is

(51:11):
there a website or no?

Speaker 3 (51:12):
They can find me on Instagram at Jilbe Official.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
I think I'm on Facebook too, but I'm mostly I
mostly hang out around Instagram.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
It's just nothing nice.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Yeah, it's what I can do.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
I used to hang out a lot on Twitter, but
then Twitter got weird and so now yeah, so I
deleted my Twitter account and now I'm I'm an Instagram girl.
I'm not a TikTok girl. I probably should be, but
you know, don't, don't sue me for that.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I'm a super duper facebooky Instagram girl with a side
like a TikTok rising and.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Then a moon.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
But I well, I'll get there too.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
But yeah, so that's where we are.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
And then you can always find us on Empty Nesters
and we have our episodes are all up on YouTube
right now. It's Empty Nesters Show, and we are also
on Instagram and Empty Nesters and it's Empty Nesters Podcast.
And then when the love book thing happens, you know,
because I'll put it on my webs on my Instagram.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I can't wait. That's
going to be so cold, that's going to be so cooled.
It's going to be awesome for coming on my show.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Thank you. I would do it just to say hi
to you.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
So and I'm so glad because Glenn Scarpelly was like,
oh my god, you gotta call Jill, and then Pat.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Has you on. I'm like, that's it, that's it, that's it,
she's coming home.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
I love it. Well, thank you for having me to
your virtual house.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
To my my I mean, I am in space. I'm
tempted like click it. You know, the cat's over there.
It's a mess, I know.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
I'm just trying to figure out behind you what what
space is below you?

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Like, where are the world the Earth? It looks like
it's the edge of the Earth with the sun coming
over yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Yes, yes, yes, well yes, or welcome to the edge
of the Earth with Alison.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
It makes sense.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Well, thank you all for watching, and indeed I'm Alison Eringeram.
This is the Alice and Ingram Show.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Thank you have on. We all love us, says deck Watch.