Author Jacob Cooper discusses his Near Death Experience

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for Angel Quest with Karenoi on HudsonRiver Radio dot com. He heo everyone,
Welcome to the Angel Quest Show.I'm KARENI, author of Your Life
After Their Death Through the Eyes ofAnother Weak Consciousness and the Angel Quest Oracle
Deck. I'm so happy to introduceyou to Jacob Cooper, a near death

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experiencer and author of Life After Breathand the newly released The Wisdom of Jacob's
Ladder. Jacob is a sought afterspeaker on grief, wisdom, and consciousness,
offering meditation and mindfulness seminars to helppeople find purpose and overcome fears of
life after death. He hosts thewonderful weekly podcast, The Wisdom of Jacob's

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Ladder, available on many platforms includingYouTube and Spotify. His website is www
dot Jacobcooper dot com. Welcome Jacob, thanks so much for being here with
us today, my honor. Thankyou so much Karen for having me on
as your guest, and you hadme on your show, so we already

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got introduced to each other. Butfor those listeners who they don't know about
you, you had a wonderful neardeath experience when you were three. Can
you tell us about that? Yeah, Well, for those listeners tuning in
right now speaking, is my thirtiethanniversary during this week of my near death

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experience. It was late September thirtyyears ago where I had my near death
experience. So I was just threeyears old. Of September of nineteen ninety
three coincides with the day of recording. It was right before the Jewish high
holiday of jum Kapoor, So it'sfitting that we're having this, you know,

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recording. And I grew up inthe Jewish tradition and yum Kapoor is
the day in which the soul isready to greet itself before the Creator.
You know, little did I knowthat this was going. This was kind
of happened, but on a veryliteral basis, beyond the confines of religious

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structure. So uh, it was. It was profound, you know,
the short of it was, getprobably more into detail. I had at
the time. You know, acondition called whipping cough otherwise known as pertessis
family at the time obviously didn't knowthat I had this. I caught it

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from a neighbor you know, whereI was living, and I went to
a playground, you know, withwith my sibl and family friends. My
parents were not present with me whenI went to the playground, and you
know, I was just trying tohave a fun time and a good time.
And I climbed up the ladder goingon to a slide, and each
wrong of the ladder, I justbegan to suffocate. To where I got

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to the top of the slide,there was no breathing whatsoever that I could
possibly have. And that was thescariest, most traumatic moment of my life,
but also the great gift as towhy I do believe I'm able to
remember it from such a long timeago, which feels to me like a
second ago. But once I lostmy human breath, my body, you

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know, just began to stop withthe capacity to function. And you know,
if you're in a basement and youcheck out the power breaker in a
home and you you know, switchoff one breaker at the home, you
know that was happening to my physicalbody due to the suffocation, deprivation of
oxygen, you know, So ratherthan being my own body. I got
out of my car and you know, like your engine's not working, popped

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the hood and checked the engine,and I was able to really see my
body, understand it from a muchdeeper and more clear perspective. The last
thing that I felt was my braindeprived of oxygen and I was seeing my
brain just just stopping to operate,and I literally felt my brain snap in

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half, and I felt the largecrack within my brain. And as I
was saying, goes, when mybrain cracked open, that's when God came
in. As many people will say, and you know, that's just a
euphemism, but this literally happened tome where I felt my brain literally crack
in half. I felt the largecrack in half, and it was a
large it was like one of theloudest sounds I've ever heard. And that's

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when everything opened up. You know. I had a lot of the classic
new death experience stages that you know, as a reference by my friend doctor
Ramamodi who in the book Life AfterLife in nineteen seventy five, But a
lot of the characteristics that I haveof a euphoric near death experience was really

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spot on with Raymond's. You know, findings I, you know, had
the tunnel experienced. I ascended toan infinite degree of euphoria where there was
no beginning, middle, or endwith how good I possibly felt, which
is something that we're not accustomed to. Within this human body, there's always
seemingly a bottomless pit of suffering,but almost like a cap with how good

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at times we could feel, beingbioneurochemical. But out of the body,
there was no limit with how euphoricI felt, and this euphoria that I
was tapping into, this endless euphoricenergy where there was no end in sight
to it. It was just whereall of life flowed through itself. Is

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the best way I could use forany people would be God, but that's
a very limited word. But tome, it's the center point over all
things that stand for love, allthings that are euphoric, all things that
are loving flows from and there's noend in sight of this force. It's

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what we are all connected to atthe end of the day. But the
centerpiece of creation. Much more toreally discuss, I'm sure, but I
don't know if there's any questions upto this part. But mind near death
experience goes beyond just the contact withGod. Believe it or not, you
think that that would be enough,But there was a lot more to my

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NDE. I'd love to hear aboutit. Yeah, well, you know
my body, I could feel itbeing manipulated by my spirit guides, and
I felt a male guide and afemale guide. People ask me all the
time, are there any parts thatyou don't remember about your NDE? The
one part is to this day,I have an idea, but I don't

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know for certain the exact names ofmy spirit guides. I just call them
the guides. But at the timeI knew that they had names, and
I knew that there was a maleand female guide, and I felt them
not in front of me, butto my right side and left side of
me. And my spirit guides,all of our spirit guides are beyond the
descriptive word of how beautiful they are. There's no words to describe their beauty.

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I don't have anything to give anexample other than the analogy that I
have is just imagined. You havean infatuation with some Hollywood celebrity living in
a high castle that you feel wouldnever look at you in a million years.
Now, imagine that person has thesame degree of respect admiration and factuation

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that you have towards them. Multiplythat by a billion, and that's your
spirit guide with the understanding of whoyou are to your core. And I
felt my guides just pushing my bodydown to the ground off the slide.
Then people surrounded my body, andnow my body was very lifeless. I

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was not in my body. Ifelt myself a form next to my body,
adjacent to it, and I saweveryone poking up my body, saying
are you okay? Are you okay? And I looked at all the people
surrounding my body, and I waslike a little karaoi like I was able
to see their auras. I knewwhy they were here. I knew them

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so much in a deeper spiritual levelthan I thought that I knew. But
I saw that they were seeing mybody, but they weren't seeing me.
And I could see them, butthey couldn't see me, which kind of
how a lot of probably of ourloved ones who have crossed over probably feel
that they could see us clearly andthey know exactly what we're going through,
but sometimes we're not tuned into them. And then I looked up and I

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just saw endless array of angels thatwere floating right in front of me,
and I almost just had to pinchmyself because it felt just so real and
there were still the transitional phase thatI have of crossing over. But the
angels were very young and youthful,almost childlike in their presentation. I think

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it's because you were young that theangels appeared young. I don't know,
they were just they were cherubs.Yes, that's the way could I describe
it. But you'll get into agein a little bit, because I have
a lot I don't eve give mestarted at age. But they were different
than the spirit guides in a sensethat they were identical and how they what

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they were about, how they appeared. They didn't have the human characteristics that
some that my guide seemed to have, but they were uniformal, just sending
beauty, love, healing, andand they accept They didn't have like anything
that they wanted back. But Iwas able to really tune into them,
and they had a beautiful sound andsong that was emining from them. They

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were like a golden bronze type colorand they were literally floating right in front
of me. I just had topinch myself, like, wow, they're
right. It was just this filterslightly overlaying this reality where all of angels
are, and it's just a tickabove this reality and this filter where they're
flying all around us at all times. But I tried to look at them.

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They weren't looking at me. Theywere just looking in the distance,
sending healing that wasn't personalized like thespirit guides were. And then all of
a sudden, imagine like you're ona beach and you see a group of
people walking behind the shoreline on thebeach, And that's kind of how I
felt when I saw what we referredto now as our soul family or spirit

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family. I was able to seea lot of different people that I've add
connections with, you know, throughpast lives, but also in what's in
what's called like a sole group,you know, incarnation. And I felt
a lot of almost like embarrassment.And when I saw all these people,
like, imagine going to the military, right and you have this massive,

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two week long, extravagantic party,you know, then imagine like a week
later, like, all right,I don't want to be discharged. I
want to go home. And that'skind of I felt that wasn't their judgment
to me, That's how I felt. But those that was eased and you
know, moments, you know,my guides and my sole family just posed

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a question as to what will youdo? Will you continue uh and you
know, live on the other side, or will you finish off, you
know, and live your life asyou know Jacob. And it was the
hardest question I've ever been faced with, because to turn down the beauty and
grandeur of heaven or the other sidewas the hardest thing that I've ever done

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in my life. But I said, well, if I, you know,
am going to stay, what willthis life look like? What will
I look like? Why am Ihere? I wanted to know, a
three year old Yeah, but onthat side it's different, which we'll talk
about. Yeah. I wanted toknow, like what the story. The
story wasn't finished yet. It was, as that song says, unwritten you

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know. Yeah, I was like, what's the rest of the story?
What does it look like? Youknow? All of a sudden, I
just received all these flashing imagery ofwhat's called a life review, which many
in your death experiencers, you know, not all, but most experience,
which is flashing images of awareness ofyou know, pivotal moments of your life,

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but also through the lens of others. And you might say, well,
you're just three years old, whatcould you possibly have seen? And
I always say to any parent whohas lost a young child or anyone in
life, that it's not a matterof the chronological years of our life,
but rather the matter of life withinthose years. And so you can know

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someone for a day and that couldlast a lifetime of connection, or know
someone a lifetime and feel like youbarely know the person, and you know,
it's about what you fill it with. But this life review is transcended
not only this lifetime, but itwent into other past lives that I've lived.
And you know, I saw myselfjust spanning the globe, having culture

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to culture and civilization and civilization lifetimeand lifetime. It was, it was,
it was, you know, certainlymore than one lifetime, but there
was one in particular lifetime that stoodout the most as I was seeing all
these different, you know, lifetimesthat I lived. And this last lifetime

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has been evidentially validated through many differentintuitives. Prior to myself ever saying a
word publicly about my and your deathexperience, UH, to some listeners,
and maybe a sensitive topic. Certainly, I work in the mental health field,
you know, around this particular circumstance. But this last lifetime, you

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know, was was a lifetime inwhich I, uh, you know,
died by suicide. I don't saycommit a suicide, because you don't commit
you know, cancer, you don'tcommit heart disease. I look at mental
health no differently than physical health.We succumbed to, you know, a
mental health condition in your life,and it's not to judge or you know,

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pass judgment on. But I sawin that last lifetime, I remembered
all these students that I was ateacher of and connected to it, and
they just came to me, andI saw that I just became emotional,
you know, seeing them and connectingwith all the students that I have.
But I saw that my back wasagainst the wall and I was around a
lot of different people, and Isaw no hope past you know, a

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situation that I was in, andI I just didn't see any hope passed
it and I just couldn't move forward. And I decided to end the pain
because it was too much for myselfto handle, you know. And then
I saw afterwards that there was nojudgment whatsoever. There was love. I
saw my you know what, kindof like Robert Schwartz talks about, like

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the life between live's situation, whereI remembered my life on the other side
of that lifetime. But also Isaw the intense parallels of my near death
experience in that last lifetime. Youknow. For instance, the allegorical reference
of myself losing my breath and suffocatingwas related a lot to my last lifetime

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in which I was suffocated from theforce of life. There was nothing to
hold on to. I was drowningand there wasn't any boat to latch onto.
But I saw my new death experience. I was experiencing the same situation,
except I handled it differently. Idecided to surrender to a breath beyond
my human breath what we call inJudaism, the word for spirit is Ruah,

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which means the wind or the breathof God. And I surrendered to
the breath of God, and that'ssaved and that saved my life. I
reminded. I was reminded that deathis just a fiction. You know,
there's no death, does not exist. And when you surrender to this infinite

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power, this infinite force. Itcould transcend all things, including death,
and I am living proof of this. And solely I saw myself speaking in
front of a lot of different peopleabout this, and I saw that I
was in some pampas guru better thananyone or stuff like that. That rather,
I was just one with everyone thatI that I spoke to, and

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I was just a messenger and someonewho was meant to share, you know,
to kind of be a good harbingerof good news and to remind people
like a gentle tap on the shoulder. But I said to my so,
wow, you know, Heaven willalways be there. The other side is
eternal. But this unique window toapply all these things and to live this

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life, you know, is aunique opportunity. And I just obviously turned
down heaven and I chose to continuethis human existence. And with that choice,
everything dissipated from my immediate awareness,you know, the only thing that
I was aware of. My guideswere less with me, and I just
was flooded with immediate regret and doubt. And I said, how could I

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reach this position in life? Howcould I do all these things? How
do I know that all this willhappen? And that turning this down will
be worth it, and just Iwas left with the power of trusting the
higher intelligence, trusting spirit more sothan our own fears, you know,
and trusting our own thoughts in alignmentwith you know, spirit. And with

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that thought, I woke up ona hospital bed. My mother was you
know, with me at the time, and it was certainly quite the transition
on many different levels which hopefully we'llget to. But oh absolutely, that's
a bit of the short of myend. That is amazing. There's a

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gentleness and a peacefulness about you.And I know also no Anita Morzhani who
has had this a near death experience, and it's just something that you exude
you. I don't think you'll everlose that. I don't know if anybody's
ever told you they had to have. There's just peaceful no matter what.
I'm sure you've gone through different things, there's a peacefulness about you, right.

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I mean, well, our societyemphasizes a lot of gifts or statuses,
and certainly there's a lot of aftereffects gifts that I've had, you
know, through intuition stuff like that. But I think you make a great
point. The biggest thing that youfeel is just an alignment with peace.
At times that was a homesickness,you know. I felt a lot more

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comfortable over there than over here.But at a certain point I had to
make here my home, and thattook quite some time. I do miss
it, though I do miss Icould go off of memory, I could
go off of connection to it,but there's a part of me that does

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miss it. For there, Istill am a little bit homesick, you
know, and I think we allare not. We have to take a
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his latest book, The Wisdom ofJacob's Ladder, and we're going to talk
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the Angel Quest show. I havewith me Jacob Cooper and we're talking about
his latest book, The Wisdom ofJacob's Ladder. At least we'll begin to
talk about it now. We werejust discussing is near death experience that he
had when he was three years old. So what would you like to talk
about? I could have my questions, but you had such a fascinating experience.
What do you think we should talkabout next? I'm going to leave

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it to you. This is unusualfor me. Usually I have a set
Well, thank you, Karen.I'm not used to that, you know,
what do you think about it?Jacob All, My life is asking
people what I think about it.So that's interesting. But my aries moon
and aries rising loves that stuff wherehe put it in our court and make
the choices. But when is yourbirthday? Well, I'm a Taurus the

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same birthday Shirley McLean barberstreis on Apriltwenty fourth moon. But my moon and
rising is in aries and numerology isnumber eleven. So that's the connectivity.
A lot of numbers in eleven numerology. But you know, new death experience
researchers will say, you know,for infant's children, even adults, it

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takes several decades truly makes sense outof your NDE into grounded, if you
will. And so what I whathappened to me is something that I walked
into. But what I came outof it became my responsibility. You know,
it was out of my control kindof what happened to me. So
throughout my life it's really this ENDEis this double edged sword. You know,

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I looked at it as a cursemore so than anything as a kid,
because I felt very alienated from myclassmates and I felt, you know,
just you're on this conveyor belt,the trajectory, and the world sees
you as a kid, and that'sthe way that you are. But I
just knew that I wasn't the waythat the world was seeing. You know
something I I could relate to thatas a child. I just felt like

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it was I had a serious experiencealso when I was a child, and
then more recently and twenty five yearsago. But you know all this,
you know all of this, andthen everybody's just living day to day.
It's just like, oh my god, but you don't want to say anything
because you don't want them to thinkyou're crazy, and all that's right,

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right, And you know, Ifelt the suffocation that I had in my
nde lasted until I was able tolet it out and to become public with
it. That's when I was ableto exhale because I recognized that this experience
was not about me. It wasreally about other people. And so many
times you just hold on to ourgifts thinking what will people think and judging

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ourselves. We recognize that our giftsare used really for other people to make
that ripple effect. So it wasn'tuntil I was able to really disclose it
at the right time time that Ibecame, you know, thankful for this
gift and grateful, but throughout thatI just felt always very different. I
would have you know, I wantto preface that my brain totally changed after

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this, because I mentioned that mybrain suffocated due to oxygen and so I
remember coming back into preschool and Iremember the sliver of light that was just
flowing through my brain, and inmoments I would just get quiet, just
go to the bathroom on purpose,and just kind of connect to the other
side through the sliver of light throughmy brain. Now you're pointing to that

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those who are listening can't see it, but you're pointing to your third eye.
Is that where the sliver of lightwinds a lot of it? Yeah,
we call it the pineal gland,but really, you know, the
material reductionalist science will say that yourbrain creates your reality. And I am
living proof in my experience that mybrain was not functioning, and yet I

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had this heidened sensory experience. Andso it doesn't match if your brain is
very low in terms of its functioning, that you should have this heidened experience.
And so this allowed myself to understandthat dichotomy the brain and the mind
that the mind exists far beyond thebrain, but the brain is also a
filter of our reality. And sowhen I saw this experience happened, I

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was able to really experience higher consciousnessfiltering through my brain. And so throughout
preschool and early childhood, I wouldhave all these psychic phenomenon experience and I
would often look at other kids tosee if they were checking into what I
was seeing, and kids would justbe left with these bewildered looks that I

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felt quite gas lilt with, andit was just so I can't as an
example of one of those, Iremember it very clearly. I was in
preschool and I was just connecting toanimal totems and spirits around the room,
and I looked at a classmate andasked, like, do you see what
I'm seeing? A classmate just lookedat me with like this Dewayne Johnson people's
eyebrow look, and I was justlike, Yeah, this is a world

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that I'm in, and everyone's intheir own little world, and I just
felt in my own bubble. ButI would have these constant dialogues with the
spirit realm as a young kid,and I was just connected to and I
just felt myself, you know,euphoric with this. But you know,
there came a time where I recognizedthat the trajectory that I was on was
a lot more in love with regurgitationthan imagination. It was, you know,

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the school system was all about regurgitatingfacts information. This left being world
and I was diagnosed with add Iwasn't really able to function. I was
a horrible student throughout grade school.So I had to just almost kind of
like repress this rip ring creativity tokind of keep up and survive. But
obviously to thrive, I had toregain that power back, you know.

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But I just remembered seeing things,hearing things, knowing things before they happened,
and it was very annoying. Iwas just like, can't I just
live my life? And I wantedto enjoy things, and I didn't like
I walked around saying this is psychicphenomenon. It was sometimes annoying, but
you know, later in life,once I was able to really understand what

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it was. As I say,when you name it, you could tame
it, and that's what happened withyou know, Yeah, I was able
to understand it. I think thebiggest breakthrough was being gifted a book by
an author named Betty Ady in myearly twenties. She wrote, Yeah,
she was one of the groundbreaking neardeath experiences, and she was. She

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was on the Oprah Winfrey Show inthe early to mid nineties. And this
book was given to me by mygodmother, you know. And at the
time I was like exploring yoga andstarting to read Sylvia Brown books and getting
kind of back into the stuff afterlike suppressing and trying to push the beach
ball down the water for two decadesalmost, but you know, the ball

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always will find its way to comeup to the surface. But Betty's book
gave me that universality that someone elsehad this, which was frustrating to me.
I felt like Harry Potter at timeswhere I was like the only one
who had this thing, and thenI saw someone else had I was like,
I'm not that special. But italso was cathartic and it just allowed
me to understand that this had aterm to it. Someone else had this.

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You weren't the only one, soit was relieving. But I know
a lot of listeners probably tuning in, we'll say, geez, you know,
you were three years old. Ihave a million questions for you,
Jacob, how do you remember this? Yeah, you're talking in this vernacular
that you are today, Like,how did you understand this? You were
just three years old. I'm goingto say something that's going to be thought

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provocative, controversial, but that's howwe really change our world in our reality.
Is what I'll say is the viewerstoday is you are not what you
think you know. We see ourselvesidentifying I'm right now, thirty three years
old. I've got brown hair,got blue eyes, I'm in this body,
and all these things from our physicalstructures to our jobs, to our

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houses, everything, I've just temporaryexperiences of our soul. When you cross
over, though, you remember thatyou're not your age, you're not your
body, you're not your job,you're not your house. You're an infinite
spiritual being that is timeless and ageless. And so was this an experience directly
of my theorialed self? None oflife is that is not who we are.

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We just experience our lives in differentgenders, cultures, ages, but
they're all experienced for the eternal soul. So this lifetime is not all that
there is. This body is notall there is. We're just experiencing this
and this reality. But the biggerpoint is two things could be true at
the same time that in our reality, all that there is and ever was

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in will be has to be emphasizedin this lifetime. And I think that's
important to a degree that we arepresent in this lifetime and we're able to
allow ourselves to be human and takeownership of all these things, but also
having the reminder that these things arejust experience, temporary experiences of our soul.
So that's what I'd like to say. And also, trauma was a

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great gift on my ende where Isuffocated and it was the scariest moment in
my life. I was put inthis period what felt like endless degree of
suffering. But once I, asI said, let go of my human
breath, surrendered to the eternal breath, was when I was able to break
through of this you know, incubationalsuffering period. But trauma was something that

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I had full blown and that's Ido believe, you know, one of
the ways that I'm able to rememberit. As I'll ask my audience,
like September eleven, thousand and sixthgrade and baseside, New York, You'll
ask me what I was doing thatday. I could tell you every little
thing asked me I was doing Septemberseventeenth, eighteenth. I don't have a
clue. And that's trauma where youcould either have a disassociative component push it

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away, or have clear recollection ofit as if that day has never left
you. Combine that with the factthat this happened beyond my linear brain.
This happened, you know, beyondthis body. Is why I'm able to
remember it so clearly, as thiswas not produced through my brain or my
body went beyond it. So hopethat clarifies some stuff, but there's sure

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a lot more that we have todiscuss. Much. The majority of those
who listen to this podcast are grievingand they wish they tune in to learn
about the afterlife. What could youtell them about the afterlife and grief and
how that could help knowing about whatyou've been through that help them in their
grief. Yeah, a great,great question, and I deal with many

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of the same population within a lotof my seminars and my professional work as
a psychotherapist. I look at grieftwo ways. There's the human part of
grief, you know, and thenthe spiritual part, you know, the
soul part. I see grief asa very much of a human thing because

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from a soul level, we know, on our deeper level that there's nothing
that separates us. There's no sadness, there's only pure connection that we have
on a soul level. But froma human lens, we have to normalize
grief and understand it. You knowthat it's a normal reaction to an abnormal
life event. By abnormal loss isnormal. It's been around for thousands,

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you know, years before us.But day to day living to living situation,
it's a total, you know,difference of our day to day living.
And so I think it's important isto allow ourselves to feel, because
when we feel, we could heal. But also understand the transcendent component of
what grief is intended to is thatthrough a lot of the pain that we

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go through, on the other sideof it is a new found purpose and
meaning that many people have. Andnot about you, but the people that
I work with who are able toallow themselves to go through the river of
grief could come out with the transcendence, could come out with a new outlook
towards life, a new meaning.But also I find also that they start

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to ask those bigger questions that connectto life in a broader way. So
I look at grief no differently thana near death experience in some regards,
where the ground that you're standing onis rocked and you're living in that place
where there's an adjustment to it.But then once you surrender, you know,
to grief, you're reminded past thedarkness that you experience as an eternal

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light, much like near death experienceshave. You're forever changed in this lifetime,
but you know that each day thatyou live is another day closer to
that loved one. And I thinkyou have to remind yourself you're not moving
further away in your grief, movingcloser to them. Beautiful, Beautiful.
We have to take another break,but we will be right back. We're

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talking with Jacob Cooper. Hopefully we'llget a chance to talk about your book,
Jacob's Ladder. All right, we'llbe right back. This is Hudson
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welcome back to the Angel Quest Show. Okay, Jacob, why did
you write The Wisdom of Jacob's Ladder? It's a great book. Well,
you know if you well, thankyou, Karen. First of all,
many different reasons. I grew upcertainly being impacted by so many different authors,
like I mentioned, you know,the Sylvia Browns of the World,

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Mary and Williamson's you know, stufflike that was not as when I was
younger reading doctor Wayne Dyer. Thatonly happened after, you know, his
passing. But I would go tolibraries and just feel this dark knight of
the soul and pick up a bookand I didn't even read it, and
I just felt an inspiration from it. You know. Shirley McClain my birthday
to him as well. And there'stwo types of people in life. There's

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givers and takers, I feel,and sometimes we vacillate a little bit between
the two. But I saw myNde and the books that I read as
just gifts that were given to me, and I could just hold on to
these experiences, or I could giveback what I was given, and my
self as an author is just myway of giving back to all those who
have given me. And I wouldalways look at bookshelves and say, I

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don't want to be bare in acemetery. I want my book to be
buried and my name to be buriedon these bookshelves if they still exist one
hundred years from now. Who knows, but you know, with libraries and
stuff. But that's it was reallyabout giving back what I was given,
and that really is what life isabout. It's about giving back the life
that you were given. And certainlyhave a near death experience. I was

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given, you know, awareness ofeternal life, but I was allowed a
new you know, window into thislifetime that forever changed the trajectory of this
life. But the title itself isa is a bit of an allegory or
humor, you know, to biblicalJacob that I was named after. And
for those of you who are arenot familiar with Jacob's story, you know,

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Jacob flew from his brother Esau,you know, after his brother,
after he was received a confidant fromhis father Isaac, and he saw I
was very angry and he was tryingto like hurt Jacob. And Jacob just
you know, fled for his lifefrom his brother Esaw. And he in
a place that I've been to inIsrael called Bateel, which translates to the

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House of God. And Jacob tooka pillar of rocks, and he slept
on the rocks, and he allof a sudden saw in his dream angels
going up and down the ladder,you know, and he and so that's
what he saw. And so Godworks in a very humorous and symbolic way.
And for myself to have the nameof Jacob having an and e on

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a ladder and a slide, seeingangels on those slides, being a child
in God's playground, you know,my nde, you know, is all
ways that God's trying to show,you know, his or her sense of
humor. So to me, it'sjust kind of like a spinoff of that.
But to me, life after Breathis my karma. That's my story,

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my memoir, my first book.But the wisdom of Jacob's Ladder is
like a ladder, it's different waysto bring the hereafter to the here now,
so that you know you don't haveto wait to really remember eternity.
You don't have to go through thepain that I went through, in the
trauma that he went through and havinga new death experience, but rather you
could tap into something that you alreadyknow and forever connected to. And I

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think that's why people are listening moreand more to near death experiences and spiritual
teachers, that it's hitting a chordof something that's within themselves that may have
been laid dormant throughout some time.Yeah. Beautiful. And when you just
said from the hereafter to the herenow, I saw Wayne Dyer behind you.
Oh my god, yeah yeah,yeah, yeah, trying to help

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people see clearly now or you wouldlike that too. His favorite quote that
I always say, and I neverget tired of this quote. My favorite
quote is of him, and Iuse this all the time in my psychotherapy
sessions. It's so true when youchange the way you look at things,
the things you look at change.And I've never seen a client who hasn't

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like got in jolted from that statement. It's a beautiful statement because it reminds
you that all of life really isabout perception and how we're viewing things and
the foundation that we're seeing things andWeianne was someone who didn't look necessarily just
from the human lens. You lookat life through the godlens. And that's
a beautiful place to be because you'reno longer looking for God. You're embodying

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God. You're knowing God. You'renot just trying to find or seek God
outside yourself. You're embodying that lovingenergy. And when you come from that
place, you don't have to waittill you die to see it because you
already know it. You tap intoit. Yes, absolutely, and it's
a great thing. We understand weall have God within us. Yes,

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we're all able to create miracles inour lives. We just have to realize
that right is not is that themiracle worker realizes it through awareness. That's
so key to really remember who wereally are because so much of our life
is disempowered. We're taught at ayoung age you know nothing. You're a

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blank canvas, and we have toinfiltrate our society and culture and everything onto
you and wisdom. Jacob's Ladder isreally about empowering a highly disempowered trajectory of
our culture. It's truly reminding peoplethat all the myths in our culture are
not necessarily congruent with spiritual truths.That truth is not outside of you.

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It can be found there, butit really is found within. And and
your death experience reminded me that theother side, all these things are not
thousands of miles away. They're righthere in the doorway of who you are.
It's right there, all inside ofyou. You know. My clients
often ask me if I know agood psychotherapist, but boy, I would

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definitely recommend you. Do you practicein the New Jersey, New York area
or is a zoom or yeah,we're still finding with an archaic system that
just has issues with reciprocity of licensure. So I just see clients in New
York, but I see clients outside. I see clients in Australia and stuff
like that, and I kind oflabel it as consciousness consulting work. I

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find with psychotherapy and therapy itself,it's changed a lot where now they're starting
to use a lot of spirituality andmindfulness is now associated with a different modality
of therapy called dialectical behavioral therapy andcognitive behavioral therapy. So Eastern philosophies are
really utilized heavily now, a lotmore so now than ever. And I

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think that's where at its core thatWayne would say, there's a spiritualution solution
to every problem. And when youget the spiritual part right and allow people
to tap into that part, I'veseen amazing things happen. And Wayne would
say I was the wealthiest kid inthe orphanage because I had the best out
of it and stuff like that.And I've used to run around three mindfulness

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groups with some of the clients onthe lowest socioeconomic totem poll. You know,
many of them didn't even have homes, but we would practice mindfulness and
they would recognize what home really was. They would return to home through the
breath, through awareness and recognize whenthey live life through that place, the
physical life that they live took awhole new form and they saw everything through

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a new lens. As we know, there's people with every material success and
reason to have happiness and they feelabsolutely nothing. In people with absolutely nothing
experience everything. So sure we wantthe material and the five you know census
covered, but you know, butI think really most of life has to

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do with the vantage point and whereyou're vibrating from that has to do anything
external, absolutely, and so gettingif you would like to experience the best
way to experience what you've experienced hereon the planet is do meditation through mindfulness.
Getting quiet. As hard as thatsound, I know we're in the
Tri State area where people are shoutingand screaming and a million thoughts are running

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rampant. But I think also it'sgetting comfortable with the unknown, because all
the unknown is really known, butwe've really subjugated ourselves to the small box
of reality. You know, Ialways give the analogy of the globe.
You know, there was a timewhere people were pre flat earthers that we

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see now. But people see thisworld as just flat, and that's the
way they saw that. But throughexpanding those bounds and going against what they
were taught and told, they foundthat was not the case. The world
is around. There still are somepeople who discard that. I'm not talking
about those people, but for thevast majority of us, and I think
it's challenging recognizing what we know inthis box is at times limited, but

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we don't know is ultimately unlimited.And to be friends with the unknown and
how that could change our life dayin and day out. Yea beautifully said
thank you. Oh we're running outof time. So do you have any
closing words of wisdom for us?Well, I think what's important is for

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people listening is just to remember thefact that when you hear a true near
death experiencer like myself, it's areminder that first and foremost we cannot die,
but we have to remind ourselves thatwe have to live while we live.
That death does not exist, butlife itself has different modes to it.
And I think what's important is tolive our fullest life while we're here,

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because a life that we live herehas crossover impact. When we cross
over, we take the love thatwe experience the depth of our experience.
So I think people are looking tospirituality for answers, and you know,
sometimes there's a set of component withrituals and spirituality and sense chakras, all

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these things are spiritual tools, butthe but the depth of our spiritual experience
comes from the life that we liveitself. And so I think it's important
to recognize the most spiritual thing thatwe can do is to live a full
life to what Wayne would call liketap into your enthusiasm, which the enthusiasm.
Enthusiasm comes from that Greek word intheos, which means the divine within.

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So tapping into your passions, knowingwhat makes your heart sing, and
that's how you really find God isthrough joy, through love and a life
that's full of you know, colorand experience beautiful. Yeah, and how
can our listeners find you? Youhave a website where you are, so
my listeners could the listeners tuning incould find me through my website Jacob Lcooper

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dot com. That's Jacob Lcooper dotcom. Jacob Cooper dot com is not
available, but maybe one day we'llget that domain. And my book's Life
After Breath Wisdom of Jacob's Ladder availablethrough Amazon. You know YouTube Wisdom Jacob's
Ladder as well as social Jacob CooperELSSW where you know, every day kind
of tune into something inspiring because youknow, inspiration is the oxygen of our

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times. Is how we propeller lieforward and we're inspired, we are in
spirit. So I try to giveback everything I was given in my MDE
each and every day, every momentof my life. So awesome, Thank
you so much for being with ustoday. It's been amazing. I just
I could talk to you all day. Thank you Karen, and thank you
for the good work that you do, and thank you for listeners tuning in.

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Have an amazing day and always rememberto focus on the love and comfort
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spirit, we perceive we are onehumanity, awakening, sanctity, awareness and
unity. We are here to danceand sing and our connection with everything understanding

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who we are through the ways ofthe heart. Let's choose love, inner
peace, living one in harmany withthe knowlge at our core, we are

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the ones we've been waiting or wecan do it with the truth and bring
new light into all we do.We are love at our best in the
weed consciousness. As we grow consciously, we claim sovereignty for our lives.

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harmony with the noggage at our core. We are the ones we've been waiting

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living one in harlem ly with thenode at our calls, we are the
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into all we do. We arein love and our best in the weak

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consciousness. We love at our burstin the consciousness. Entering to the we

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