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And now, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for Angel Quest
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Speaker 7 (02:26):
Hi everyone, welcome to the Angel Quest Show. I'm Karen Noi,
author of your Life after their Death through the Eyes
of Another and we Consciousness. My guest today is Tim Noe.
Tim is presently a graduate student of religious studies, focusing
on New Testament research. He is most interested in bridging
the divide of perception between right and left, religious and
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spiritual for us and them. His booklett From a Moral
to a Moral America, is a primer on the communication
of values designed to help us more effectively strengthen relationships
and enact change. You can join him on his weekly
Piece of Mind training with a Course in Miracles online
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or in person, where we use a course in Miracles
to nurture peace of mind. Welcome Tim, Thanks for being
with us today.
Speaker 8 (03:21):
My mother, Hello, hello, my son.
Speaker 7 (03:24):
How are the cats?
Speaker 8 (03:25):
They are good? They are It's time for their nap.
So quiet this is this part of the house, this
time of day.
Speaker 7 (03:34):
Very nice. I was gifted out. I was able to
watch them two weeks ago, your five cats when you
went away. It was wonderful. Yes, oh, thank you.
Speaker 8 (03:47):
They appreciate it too. They've been asking when you'll be returning.
So I've been there, I'll be there soon. I like
the treats and the toys that they receive.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
So Tim, today we're going to talk about realizing our
greatest potential with unity consciousness. Can you begin with some
words of wisdom about what this really means?
Speaker 8 (04:11):
Yes, So you start this by saying, our greatest potential,
and even if we still think of ourselves as these
separated you know, individual bodies and people and personalities, even
within this framework, the only way for us to realize
our greatest potential, even as individuals, is to expand our
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understanding of self, expand our understanding of how we are
interconnected and related to and with this world, to include
more ultimately all of everything, to include all people, all things,
all memories, and so forth. That our greatest potential for
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ourselves and perhaps the greatest understanding of who we are,
it is only when we are able to start to
understand the greatness of who we are, that we'll be
able to experience it. So I hope this is a
bit of a start to get our conversation rolling today smoothly.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
Absolutely, it makes a lot of sense. It has a
lot to do with the week consciousness that I have
talked about I have written about that we are all
one and whatever we do to ourselves or another affects everyone.
We don't feel this oneness maybe when we're here in
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the physical body, because it feels that like I'm here
and you're over there, and your cat's over there. But
after we leave the physical body, we'll feel that oneness
in an instant. So why do we have to wait
until it's too late to do that? We can do
it right here and now and create peace in our
lives and the lives around us as well.
Speaker 8 (06:03):
Yes, and for instance, a course of miracles provides a
way a framework for how we can start to think
of ourselves and think of this world in relation to ourselves,
so that we can experience this. Because ultimately, I think
it's important for us to acknowledge or be willing to
consider the possibility that, you know, being in a physical body,
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that I'm over here and this person's over here that
that's just a hypothesis, that's just a belief, it may
not be ultimately fact. And so, of course we've built
a lot of beliefs upon that belief. That's been a
core kind of cornerstone of a lot of beliefs and
thoughts that we have in this world. But perhaps the
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first step towards experiencing this oneness, even while in quote
unquote in the physical body, might be to question that
belief and question that hypothesis at the onset. You know,
is this something that is necessarily true? Or is this
a belief that I've bought into? And this is this
is something that a course of miracles invites us to
do and allows us to see through quite nicely.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
And could you tell us more about that? What a
course of miracles says?
Speaker 8 (07:22):
So a course of miracles is, you know, if I
can describe what it does, is it's speaking to our
subconscious and it's allowing us to reprogram a lot of
these beliefs that we've that we've made about ourselves. I
think it's it's a huge victory for spirit. You know.
The course likes to frame ego and holy spirits as
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our options that we have available to us. And so
it's a huge win for spirit in this sense when
we start to question some of these beliefs that we
hold that are rooted in separation. So if we sure
we can hold the belief that the oneness is inaccessible
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to us while we're in the body, but there are
a lot of aspects of that belief that we can
question right at the onset is it is that truly impossible?
First and foremost? Also, what is the body that i'm
that i'm that i'm What does it mean when I
say it is impossible for me to experience it while
in the body? Is that? Is that just a nature
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of physical reality in some sense? Or is that merely
another belief that I'm holding this idea that I'm in
a body? You know, what does that even mean? At
the at the get go, So a lot of these things,
The course is inviting us to really inspect some fundamental
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beliefs we hold about ourselves. And if it's if it
seems like the mind is spinning through all this, that's
a wonderful that's a wonderful thing because uh, you know,
sometimes you got to stir the bucket up to get
a mixture, get some life back into the system. And
if anything is worth inspecting, If anything is most worth
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our careful and regular inspection, it's the core beliefs we
have about this world and who we are and what
this life is, because these beliefs form our perspective, which
lead into all the thoughts that we have, all the
words that we say, all the things that we do,
and so forth.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
I love that you said that, because in reality, each
one of us has God within us. And when we
understand that God is only love and peace. And when
we're not showing this love, when we're not feeling this love,
we're just not remembering who we are. And I think
that's a lot of what's going on in the world
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right now, as people aren't remembering who they are. What
do you think about this?
Speaker 8 (10:00):
I think it's it's it's an idea, it's a theory.
I don't know if we can prove this, but what
I do know, and and we can certainly see evidence
of this, But just taking a page from the course
for a moment, is that it may not matter what
anybody else is doing as much as how I how
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we each of us are perceiving, what's going on and
and just functionally. What this does is if there are people,
let's say that there are people in the world that
are not you know, following their guidance or whatever it
might be, then what can we do to help that.
We're kind of powerless in that situation. But if we're
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called to just to keep a peace of mind and
to perceive this whole situation in a particular way, that
brings power back to ourselves. So now we're empowered to
act and to see. Fourth, of course, we have callings,
we have things that we'd like to contribute and change
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about this world. But we must not give away our
power to do this.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
And at the first place, beautiful Tim, you mentioned some
of your words we can either have faith in oneness
or have faith in separation. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 8 (11:25):
So this is a quite a valuable important concept to
consider that I invite you as the audience to consider,
is that we all. First of all, we all place
our faith in something anything, an every time we take
a step, we're placing our faith that the floor will
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hold our weight. And we do this we often don't
think about it, but we have a faith. We can't
prove it, and if we really dig deep enough, and
this is just taking a some pages from the chorus.
If we really dig deep enough, what we will discover
is that there is a core faith that we're placing
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in our life. Ultimately, I'd say more than anything, this
is a functional thought exercise for us to embark upon
is to explore the possibility that there is a foundational faith,
a foundational choice that we're making as we construct our
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belief system and construct our world, our worldview, our worldview,
and our world from this is that either we're starting
either from a belief, a faith in oneness, or a
faith in separation. This is a foundational faith. Faith in
oneness starts with the faith and ultimately, how can we
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prove this by physical means or instruments. This is the
point of faith, is that we're starting from this point.
A faith of oneness starts with the faith or the
assumption perhaps that all things are intimately interconnected, not just some.
All things are intimate, like interconnected I with all other people,
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including God, is interconnected at all animals, all animals, all plants, nature, yes, bacteria, everything, everything,
the grains of sand, the rock on Pluto, everything is
intimately interconnected. This is a foundational starting point of faith.
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Now it's equally faith, it's equally a starting point of
faith to assume that things are just inherently separated. Now,
the important thing to keep in mind is that the
oneness this separation, they're both total in the sense that
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they can't be partial. If separation exists, then what this
implies is that somehow I have been separated from God.
We can't have separation between anything unless there is separation
also between myself and God in some way, which it
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is not often framed in this way, but to really
view it from this lens, it seems absurd. But this
is what we buy into. This is what we strengthen
mentally when we are acting from the ego, when we're
acting from a place of separation, when we think that
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somebody has to lose in order for somebody to win.
That is acting from a place of separation, which ultimately
is believing that there is separation with God. We can't
have one without the other, So that the dissolution is
a faith in oneness. And this is the cornerstone that
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we can build our structure. This is the foundation upon
the rock that Jesus had been speaking about, and in
my opinion is one way is to think about this.
This parable is founding our faith upon rock of oneness, connection,
intimate connection, unity with God as opposed to separation of sand.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
Beautiful. We have to take a short break, but when
we get back, I'd love to talk about how having
this faith of oneness will create peace in our lives
and in the world. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 7 (17:14):
Hey, welcome back to the Angel Quest show. I have
with me my son Tim Nowei, and I'd love to
talk about how having this faith and oneness will create
peace in the world and in our lives.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
This is the value to value oneness. I'm positing this.
I invite you to consider this as whoever as you're
listening to this, to consider that oneness is the single
value to value above all others, as the foundation for
all others. When we value oneness, then in our interactions,
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in our relationship with the war world and with each other,
we will value this oneness with each other. In other words,
some of these offshoots and surface level concerns that have
separated us political pol you know, issues and ideas and
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how you know, how we are to live in the
form of things and to develop the form of things
in this world which has has often divided us. A
lot of these things have divided us. But if we
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hold a value of oneness within ourselves, these things become
much less important because we know if we know that
we are all one, and we will know, we will
come to know this for a fact one day, as
you say, Karen, why not make the day today? And
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so one way to do this in practice is to
hold the value of oneness as most important, meaning that
there's no there's no victory that comes with a disagreement
with somebody. We're not trying to argue to be right,
as much as have conversation to get to know other
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perspectives better, have conversations so that we can strengthen our
relationships with other people, because our relationship is the most
important thing that exists, not some form, not some agenda,
and not something that needs to be accomplished, but our relationship,
which starts in our mind, which starts in our perspective
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of the relationship. So as we have conversations, and of
course we will have we have opinions, and we have
different ways of seeing the world. We have different visions
for how certain things should play out, and this is
all natural and healthy. And how are we how are
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we being through this interaction, this collaboration that we're having
with the world. What are we valuing Because the value
of oneness allows the oneness to become stronger, which, by
the way, oneness really stands for victory for all. It's
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to believed that it's we yes, right, right exactly, and
we went.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
To that's in it for me, it's what is how
can we help the world? How can we help each other? Yes?
Speaker 8 (20:39):
Yes, and we are not separated from this so helping
in this way when when we help the world, it's
not that we're sacrificing ourselves for it in any way necessarily,
as much as we are helping ourselves and the world.
We've been taught to believe that we need to choose
one or the other because there's a root and separation there.
It's one or the other, you know, right, this one
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has to win and this one has to lose. Well,
that's an idea, that's a hypothesis. Maybe maybe it's possible
that we all win, That there's a way that we
all win in this world.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
Exactly exactly. Tim I was teaching a reggie course this
weekend and we had a group of people and we
started to talk about this, and I've been feeling guided
to start and either an organization or something, because we
all feel helpless with what's going on in the planet
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right now. We want to do something to increase the love,
increase the peace. And it just came to my head.
United States of Consciousness, in other words, if we raise
our own vibration, because it begins with us and we're
part of the whole. When we raise our own vibration
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to become more on part with who we really are,
which is God within us, which is only love and peace,
we're increasing the vibration of the whole world, the whole.
And I invite everybody if you're interested in joining. I
am seeing this to be a very big thing and
it has to be about love and peace and spreading oneness.
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You can email me at my email address at Luca
Lucina that's l u C l u C i NA
at aol dot com and I will give you some
more information on that. So I'm very excited you're joining us,
tim with that.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Absolutely, I love this, the United States of Consciousness. This
is the this is our imperative of this age, and
this is where our power resides.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Exactly because we are united, and the way to do
this is to raise our consciousness to remember who we
really are, which is love.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Yes, yes, yes, I think I think it starts. I'd
say it starts from our consciousness. And just to keep
in mind that our consciousness is not separate from the
world that we see starts, but so long as we
see a distinction, it starts from this consciousness because ultimately
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we're speaking about a united state of being, that this
being that encompasses our whole being, not just how we
have it in consciousness, but everything that we're doing is united.
And this is where it starts, with the consciousness exactly exactly.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
I wanted to share a little segment after the break.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
It was a.
Speaker 7 (23:37):
Wonderful song, Tim Do you remember it was called what
the World Needs Now is Love? But it was with
Tom Clay, and in the beginning of that song, this
wasn't I'm showing my age now. They had children, They
ask children questions that they knew what hatred was, and
so forth, And we come into this world only love,
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We're only peace. And I'd love to share that little
segment when we come back. But we're going for a
break right now, and we will be right back.
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Speaker 1 (24:29):
M hmmm.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
What is segregation? I don't know what secretion is?
Speaker 8 (24:42):
What is bigotry?
Speaker 7 (24:44):
I don't know what.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
What does uh hatred me? I don't know where is
what is prejudice?
Speaker 5 (25:01):
I mean if Winson may think.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
So, there it is. And right now I'm crying. I
think you are too.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
What a heart gut wrenching track. This is the power
of this If certainly listen to the fullness of this
because it's it's quite a powerful one. The fullness of
this song, just that the some of the heaviness that
can exist in this world that we're called to fix
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be a part in resolving, really speaks right to the
heart of this, don't you think? Oh?
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Absolutely? And again the song is called what the World
Needs Now is Love with Tom Clay and beautiful song,
but it is gets to you. So do you want
to talk more about this? How we come into this world?
Clear play? We're just love and peace and then what happens?
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Yeah, Well, we're faced with this, this temptation to think
that there's something else, you know, it's unfortunate that that boy,
what a what a heavy how heavy some things can
be in this world seemingly and how how we how
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we how we interact with this. This is perhaps why
we're here, is too. You know, there's as as they say,
you can't see the stars in the daytime. It's it's
only when it's when there, when it's dark, that you
can see the stars. And and in in a way,
perhaps this is how we're called to shine in this,
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in this world. And and some of the darkness, the
heaviness that seems to be present, in a way we
can we can even come to bless it because through this,
through even that, even through the terrible things, and perhaps
especially through the terrible things, we come to understand who
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we are. More fully, we get to establish we get
to make a statement to all of life, to ourselves,
to God, who we are in the face of that
that what is more important than that there's no worldly accolade,
there's no worldly possession or any sort of gift that
we can get in the world. That's more important than
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establishing who we are for all of time, you know,
this is and who we are? This these are the
thoughts that we're having. These are the words that we're saying.
This is what we choose to look upon in the
very first place, and what we're thinking about all of
these things. This is establishing who we are. And there's
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no guarantee that will be you know, cushioned from some
tragic things or some heavy and just seemingly awful things.
But how we choose to be in the face of
these this is the treasure that we're building for ourselves
in heaven right here on earth.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
It's beautiful. I don't know if you could quote some
scripture I know, I love. There was a song many
years ago they used to sing at church when I
was hungry. When I was hungry, you gave me to eat.
When I was Thursday, you gave me to drink. Whatever
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you do to the least of your brothers, you do
to me.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Isn't this irrelevant piece of scripture? Isn't this a highly relevant? Yes,
piece of scripture for today when really considering the words
of Jesus of Christ here saying, whatever you do to
the least of these my brothers, my brother and my neighbors,
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you've done it to me. And this is again, this
is this is right in line with unity, consciousness, as
we've been saying it, our oneness, and that there's no
difference between ourselves and this world that we occupied. There's
no difference between ourself and everyone else. And if we
if we're operating from that, from that belief in difference
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in separation, we'll just remember that whatever we're doing to
any part of this, even the least of these, the
thing that the most helpless, we're doing it to God.
We're doing this exactly to God. And what powerful way
to allow us to live into this oneness each each
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and every day. To really keep this in mind all throughout.
There's no exceptions, no exception, there's not just some people
that are bad that deserve bad treatment. All all are
part of this, especially the ones that have no power,
that are powerless and are seeking our help.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Absolutely absolutely, So I know how you're going to answer this,
but I'll ask you anyway, should we agree to disagree?
Speaker 8 (30:23):
What? What?
Speaker 7 (30:24):
What?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
What?
Speaker 8 (30:25):
Is going to be my answer?
Speaker 7 (30:27):
No, you have to agree to agree.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
Right, that's right, this is right, and and and look
these phrases, it's not to be some sort of dogma right.
Something to consider to keep in mind that might be
valuable to each and every one of us. This this
phrase for the most part, for the most part, when
we say, oh, let's I agree to disagree, Really, what
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we're saying is that I'm I'm agreeing to not no
longer be in communication about this with you anymore. It's
a forest, it's it's not an agreement. There's no such
thing as agree to disagree. Agreement is. And this is
where the course comes in handy. Being in agreement, this
means that we're in communication. Just just consider how profound
of an agreement we must be in right now already,
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that we both exist, we're in the same place, and
we're speaking with one another, whether I mean I mean,
I mean with with you, Karen and me, and between us,
but also with you the audience whoever's listening, that we
we are already in profound agreement because you're hearing these
words right now somehow, that I'm speaking these words right now,
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and we're bound by this, even though it seems separate
in time, we're bound by this. We're in profound agreement
for all these things to be lining up and we're
here together. Yes, we start from this point. This is
profound agreement. When we say I agree to disagree. Well,
the course says that disagreement is simply a break in communication.
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We can't commune, unicate disagreement. Disagreement breaks communication. So this
idea that we can agree to disagree, i'd say, is
just an illusion that says, well, I'm I don't want
to communicate with you anymore, and so let's just stop this.
But it's our imperative, it's our you know, if we seek,
if we really are seeking to be the instigators of
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peace in this world, we must make it top priority
to agree to agree. So it's not to say that
we will need to change our mind about certain things
that we have. It may, it very well may. And
this is the beauty of this. And this is not
if we're valuing the pride of the ego over the
value of the spirit, well we may be mistaken at
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the onset, but if we're valuing spirit, we welcome a
change in mind. Oh boy, I never hadn't seen things
that way, and so now I understand things a different way.
I'm willing to change my mind. That's a beautiful thing.
But it's not to say that that we're called to
just absorb any view that's posed to us. As much
as enter conversation and really get to understand, really do
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our best to understand what somebody is saying with us,
so that we can understand and we can agree this
whole trajectory of what has made this person hold this
view in the first place.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
And here's really listen, right and really listen to what
they're saying, and.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
Why absolutely we can't We can't speak unless we unless
we really listen.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
I think. Yes, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but in
your booklet you say, in order to best speak, we
must listen, and in order to best listen, we must speak.
Neither is the root of discourse? Both or hmmm, tell
me about that.
Speaker 8 (33:44):
Yes, well, communication is what we're after. It's I like
to you know, I always reference the Churuse just because
it's been so helpful for my understanding of this world
and my own role and who I am in this
world and so forth. It just gives a lot of
these tools. But one of the ideas that the course
puts forth is this idea that anything This is my
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framing of it, But I'll come back to what it means.
Anything real is mutual, Everything true is mutually. It's mutually
experienced So in other words, if we think about teaching
and learning, according to the course, it's part of one process.
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There are student teacher relationships where each person is both.
Each person is both such that I can determine how
well I have taught somebody by how much I have
learned from them. So my nephew Ryan, my nephew Ryan,
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when I speak with him, if I can start to
understand how much I've taught him, I must feel into
how much I have learned from him. There's no such
thing as a one way communication. That's that's nonsense. At
least that's the idea that I'm putting forth for you
to consider. Uh, you know, the world, the world of
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the ego, as the course would say, the world likes
to think of things in terms of these one way
where teachers have more knowledge and they just give it
to the students. But really it's a it's a student
teacher relationship where both are learning and teaching simultaneously. So
to get back to your point your question about listening
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and speaking, it's the same thing. It's the same thing.
Sometimes paradoxically, in order to say, in order for me
to say to somebody something you know profound, that I
want to share somehow this is best expressed by merely listening,
by merely listening to the person.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
Okay, beautiful, that's so true. I'm just looking at some
of the things you were saying in the booklet. And
there's another one I love that says doing what is
right is different than being right.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Yes, yes, I would like to share again. These are
all just thoughts, Yeah, helpful thoughts. I hope that. How
how silly, how how how skewed we have as a
society come to label and talk about this world When
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we enter into an argument, a disagreement, and then somebody
walks away as being right. I was right, that person
was wrong right or the opposite right. But look at
the language of this. We've we've relegated our our being
itself to right or wrong. How absurd is this? I
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can't be wrong, you know, that doesn't make any sense.
Nobody can be wrong. We can think things that are wrong.
We might have thought things that are wrong or right,
but that's a trivial level of understanding being right, you know,
being right in the sense of having the right ideas
and argument. It's not something to be as much as
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to do right. Rightness is just something. That is, we
know within ourself what is right, and we do it
in the world. We don't. We don't. We don't label
somebody the person themselves as right or wrong, because that's
just that's to completely misunderstand who who who we are
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in ourselves, that's right.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
So one more, one more quote from your your booklet.
In order to have joy, we must give joy. To
have love, we must give love. Same thing as what
you're saying, pretty.
Speaker 8 (37:43):
Much exactly, yeah, exactly. It's mutually experienced and it's it's
it's it's uh, you know, paradoxical or counterintuitive from the
very transactional world where you know, when I give something away,
I don't have it anymore, and in order to get something,
I need to take it from somebody else. In the
realm of joy and truth and love, these things are
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only We have these things only when we give them away.
Just like an idea. Just like an idea. If I
have an idea and it's the most wonderful idea in
the world, and I never tell anybody, do I really
have that idea, it doesn't really have any existence. But
if I share the idea, if I share this idea
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with you, I still have this idea entirely, as do you.
And if you choose to have this idea yourself and
to share it yourself and to have value in this
idea yourself, this idea becomes even stronger in my own perspective.
So somehow, by sharing this idea, not only is it
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not diminished, but it's actually been strengthened through my sharing,
because now I've shared it and other people are reflecting
it back to me. This is the realm of love
and joy that we are called to share, share this
love enjoy in order to experience it in the first place.
Speaker 7 (39:07):
And you could even say sharing money or sharing food
and things like that. It always feels better when we
give if we have, even if we don't, sometimes it
feels good to give to someone else who needs it
more than we do.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
Yes, yes, And it's the approach I think that you're
getting at, the approach of that we're not again, this
is rooted in separation or oneness. We you know, siloed
off from the world or are we an integral part
of this world exactly.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
So it's very similar to the weak consciousness that I
talk about all the time, the oneness and all of it.
But it always begins with us, and it's exactly what
we were saying. We have to give ourselves the respect
that we deserve. We have to love ourselves and do
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all of that, because if we don't have love for ourselves,
we really can't show that to other people as well.
What do you say about that?
Speaker 8 (40:09):
Exactly? Exactly, Yeah, Well, it's a it's a clever trick
of the ego to buy into self sacrificing altruism in
the sense of it's rooted in separation. You know, if
I have to sacrifice myself to get have others benefit,
well then I'm making I'm making this distinction. I'm making
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this separation. It's just an ego, just an ego trick. Ironically, Yeah,
it seems like ego. Ego seems to be always like
self aggrandizement, but it can be the opposite, it can
be self minimization. Both are equally ego and both to
be discarded as soon as we recognize them.
Speaker 7 (40:51):
Beautiful, there's something in your book that you should talk about,
thought children. What is that?
Speaker 8 (40:59):
Yes, if we you know a lot of us listening
or you know, I'm sure there are many mothers listening
to this, and you would know, I would trust that
as that this motherly instinct is familiar. Or we can
look at just about all animal life and see just
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naturally the instinct that a mother has for her child.
Same with a father. Father father's love for a child,
a parent for the child, and we we do anything
for the child. It's a part of us. It's because
this is a part of ourself, the sort of attachment
that we have naturally, just biologically, you know, for our children,
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we have a similar attachment to our ideas and beliefs.
These are our thought children. Now what's this can serve us,
but it can hold us back because our thought children
may be misguided. Our thoughts children may be rooted in ego,
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they may be sabotaging us. But because they're they're ours,
because we've made them, because we've assumed them to be
part of ourselves, just like children, like physic actual children.
We have this attachment and we become unwilling to let
them go. And so it's important for us to consider
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that our thoughts need not be our thought children. We
can have a professional distance between ourselves and our thoughts
and our beliefs so that we can inspect them, so
that we can comeing into question, is this a thought
or is this a belief that I truly want to
hold onto? Or am I holding onto this just because
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I've I have always done so. But this attraction that
we have to our beliefs and our and this shouldn't
be surprising to anybody, you know. Certain oftentimes political ideologies
and these kinds of things just run in deep within somebody.
We hold them as children. But just recognizing this as
such can start to alleviate the burden for reconsidering some
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things so that maybe we can let them go ultimately,
so that we can have fruitful conversations and build stronger
relationships with people in this world.
Speaker 7 (43:26):
Beautiful. I think it's a lot of what a course
a miracle says about having a little willingness to change,
a little willingness to change our thoughts or beliefs.
Speaker 8 (43:37):
Yes, absolutely, this is all that we're asked. The course
asks us for one thing is for us to give
a little willingness that maybe there's another way of seeing things,
maybe there's another way of thinking about things. To be
willing to be willing to consider this at the onset,
not necessarily to think it through, and to come to
the answer as much as for be willing that the
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answer come to us.
Speaker 7 (44:01):
Beautiful. Okay, do you have any other words of wisdom
that you'd like to share with us?
Speaker 8 (44:10):
Well, boy, I'd like to ask before well, I'd like
to ask you something. Sure, So it's no, this is
by no means to diminish some of the things that
we're facing today. So I'm wondering how you know with
you frame this as what's going on in the world.
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You know, what are what are we? How can we
describe some of these things? And how can we how
can we more holistically bring healing through this whole process?
Speaker 7 (44:45):
Well, choose love, choose enter piece. For example, when I'm
on Facebook, I'd like I only post positive things because,
according to the law of attraction, whatever we're focusing upon grows.
So I like to focus on solutions rather than on
the problems or so called problems. Focus on what we
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desire rather than what we don't desire. Focus on love
within myself because again, whatever we're focus again pond grows
and we're not helping the situation. Even if we disagree
with someone, as we were talking about before, to argue
with them, we're not going to change their minds not
at all, but to try to hear what they're saying
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and why and they that might not necessarily change my mind,
but I'll be able to see through their eyes why
they feel what they do. And the bottom line is
we all want love, we all want peace, and to
understand that we are all connected. And again I'm starting
this United States of Consciousness. It's to increase the love
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of who we are, love of everyone else, in the
unity of everyone. If you'd like to join us, please
email me at Lucca Lucina l u c E l
u c I n A at aol dot com. We
be joining on zoom and in person and so forth.
And Tim, how can people find you and hear more
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about your courses online and in person on a course
in miracles.
Speaker 8 (46:26):
Well you can. I think at this point the easiest
thing to do is to go to your website Karennoi
dot com and just go to the class schedule. You'll
see some of the things that I have to offer
and you can sign up through through there.
Speaker 7 (46:42):
Yes, beautiful, anything else.
Speaker 8 (46:45):
You know, I'd say, And just to maybe round this out,
I'd say I agree fully with what you're sharing of
focusing on on love and truth and staying firm in this,
and oftentimes this may come with a recognition of what
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is not that it's being vigilant only for this, only
for love and truth. And so just to keep in
mind that this is where we're called to place our
attention love, truth in a collective sense oneness, No partial love,
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no love for some people and not others. That is nonsense. Okay,
don't buy into that. That's not going to get you anything. Okay.
We are here to increase and amplify love as the
universal force that it is. There are no exceptions, no exceptions.
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Do not listen to anybody or anything that says that
love is special and it's only deserved for certain people
in certain circumstances. That's a limited love and God is
greater than that. Let's be honest. Of course, we can
have conversations with these folks and try and allow all
of everybody to have a greater understanding of what love is.
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But let's stand firm and what love is, recognizing that
we're also ignoring what love is not, staying focused only
on God in God's Kingdom, as the course would call it, so.
Speaker 7 (48:24):
Beautifully and perfectly said, thank you Tim for being with us.
I love you.
Speaker 8 (48:29):
I love you too, Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 7 (02:26):
Hi everyone, welcome to the Angel Quest Show. I'm Karen Noi,
author of your Life after their Death through the Eyes
of Another and we Consciousness. My guest today is Tim Noe.
Tim is presently a graduate student of religious studies, focusing
on New Testament research. He is most interested in bridging
the divide of perception between right and left, religious and
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spiritual for us and them. His booklett From a Moral
to a Moral America, is a primer on the communication
of values designed to help us more effectively strengthen relationships
and enact change. You can join him on his weekly
Piece of Mind training with a Course in Miracles online
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or in person, where we use a course in Miracles
to nurture peace of mind. Welcome Tim, Thanks for being
with us today.
Speaker 8 (03:21):
My mother, Hello, hello, my son.
Speaker 7 (03:24):
How are the cats?
Speaker 8 (03:25):
They are good? They are It's time for their nap.
So quiet this is this part of the house, this
time of day.
Speaker 7 (03:34):
Very nice. I was gifted out. I was able to
watch them two weeks ago, your five cats when you
went away. It was wonderful. Yes, oh, thank you.
Speaker 8 (03:47):
They appreciate it too. They've been asking when you'll be returning.
So I've been there, I'll be there soon. I like
the treats and the toys that they receive.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
So Tim, today we're going to talk about realizing our
greatest potential with unity consciousness. Can you begin with some
words of wisdom about what this really means?
Speaker 8 (04:11):
Yes, So you start this by saying, our greatest potential,
and even if we still think of ourselves as these
separated you know, individual bodies and people and personalities, even
within this framework, the only way for us to realize
our greatest potential, even as individuals, is to expand our
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understanding of self, expand our understanding of how we are
interconnected and related to and with this world, to include
more ultimately all of everything, to include all people, all things,
all memories, and so forth. That our greatest potential for
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ourselves and perhaps the greatest understanding of who we are,
it is only when we are able to start to
understand the greatness of who we are, that we'll be
able to experience it. So I hope this is a
bit of a start to get our conversation rolling today smoothly.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
Absolutely, it makes a lot of sense. It has a
lot to do with the week consciousness that I have
talked about I have written about that we are all
one and whatever we do to ourselves or another affects everyone.
We don't feel this oneness maybe when we're here in
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the physical body, because it feels that like I'm here
and you're over there, and your cat's over there. But
after we leave the physical body, we'll feel that oneness
in an instant. So why do we have to wait
until it's too late to do that? We can do
it right here and now and create peace in our
lives and the lives around us as well.
Speaker 8 (06:03):
Yes, and for instance, a course of miracles provides a
way a framework for how we can start to think
of ourselves and think of this world in relation to ourselves,
so that we can experience this. Because ultimately, I think
it's important for us to acknowledge or be willing to
consider the possibility that, you know, being in a physical body,
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that I'm over here and this person's over here that
that's just a hypothesis, that's just a belief, it may
not be ultimately fact. And so, of course we've built
a lot of beliefs upon that belief. That's been a
core kind of cornerstone of a lot of beliefs and
thoughts that we have in this world. But perhaps the
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first step towards experiencing this oneness, even while in quote
unquote in the physical body, might be to question that
belief and question that hypothesis at the onset. You know,
is this something that is necessarily true? Or is this
a belief that I've bought into? And this is this
is something that a course of miracles invites us to
do and allows us to see through quite nicely.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
And could you tell us more about that? What a
course of miracles says?
Speaker 8 (07:22):
So a course of miracles is, you know, if I
can describe what it does, is it's speaking to our
subconscious and it's allowing us to reprogram a lot of
these beliefs that we've that we've made about ourselves. I
think it's it's a huge victory for spirit. You know.
The course likes to frame ego and holy spirits as
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our options that we have available to us. And so
it's a huge win for spirit in this sense when
we start to question some of these beliefs that we
hold that are rooted in separation. So if we sure
we can hold the belief that the oneness is inaccessible
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to us while we're in the body, but there are
a lot of aspects of that belief that we can
question right at the onset is it is that truly impossible?
First and foremost? Also, what is the body that i'm
that i'm that i'm What does it mean when I
say it is impossible for me to experience it while
in the body? Is that? Is that just a nature
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of physical reality in some sense? Or is that merely
another belief that I'm holding this idea that I'm in
a body? You know, what does that even mean? At
the at the get go, So a lot of these things,
The course is inviting us to really inspect some fundamental
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beliefs we hold about ourselves. And if it's if it
seems like the mind is spinning through all this, that's
a wonderful that's a wonderful thing because uh, you know,
sometimes you got to stir the bucket up to get
a mixture, get some life back into the system. And
if anything is worth inspecting, If anything is most worth
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our careful and regular inspection, it's the core beliefs we
have about this world and who we are and what
this life is, because these beliefs form our perspective, which
lead into all the thoughts that we have, all the
words that we say, all the things that we do,
and so forth.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
I love that you said that, because in reality, each
one of us has God within us. And when we
understand that God is only love and peace. And when
we're not showing this love, when we're not feeling this love,
we're just not remembering who we are. And I think
that's a lot of what's going on in the world
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right now, as people aren't remembering who they are. What
do you think about this?
Speaker 8 (10:00):
I think it's it's it's an idea, it's a theory.
I don't know if we can prove this, but what
I do know, and and we can certainly see evidence
of this, But just taking a page from the course
for a moment, is that it may not matter what
anybody else is doing as much as how I how
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we each of us are perceiving, what's going on and
and just functionally. What this does is if there are people,
let's say that there are people in the world that
are not you know, following their guidance or whatever it
might be, then what can we do to help that.
We're kind of powerless in that situation. But if we're
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called to just to keep a peace of mind and
to perceive this whole situation in a particular way, that
brings power back to ourselves. So now we're empowered to
act and to see. Fourth, of course, we have callings,
we have things that we'd like to contribute and change
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about this world. But we must not give away our
power to do this.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
And at the first place, beautiful Tim, you mentioned some
of your words we can either have faith in oneness
or have faith in separation. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 8 (11:25):
So this is a quite a valuable important concept to
consider that I invite you as the audience to consider,
is that we all. First of all, we all place
our faith in something anything, an every time we take
a step, we're placing our faith that the floor will
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hold our weight. And we do this we often don't
think about it, but we have a faith. We can't
prove it, and if we really dig deep enough, and
this is just taking a some pages from the chorus.
If we really dig deep enough, what we will discover
is that there is a core faith that we're placing
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in our life. Ultimately, I'd say more than anything, this
is a functional thought exercise for us to embark upon
is to explore the possibility that there is a foundational faith,
a foundational choice that we're making as we construct our
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belief system and construct our world, our worldview, our worldview,
and our world from this is that either we're starting
either from a belief, a faith in oneness, or a
faith in separation. This is a foundational faith. Faith in
oneness starts with the faith and ultimately, how can we
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prove this by physical means or instruments. This is the
point of faith, is that we're starting from this point.
A faith of oneness starts with the faith or the
assumption perhaps that all things are intimately interconnected, not just some.
All things are intimate, like interconnected I with all other people,
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including God, is interconnected at all animals, all animals, all plants, nature, yes, bacteria, everything, everything,
the grains of sand, the rock on Pluto, everything is
intimately interconnected. This is a foundational starting point of faith.
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Now it's equally faith, it's equally a starting point of
faith to assume that things are just inherently separated. Now,
the important thing to keep in mind is that the
oneness this separation, they're both total in the sense that
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they can't be partial. If separation exists, then what this
implies is that somehow I have been separated from God.
We can't have separation between anything unless there is separation
also between myself and God in some way, which it
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is not often framed in this way, but to really
view it from this lens, it seems absurd. But this
is what we buy into. This is what we strengthen
mentally when we are acting from the ego, when we're
acting from a place of separation, when we think that
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somebody has to lose in order for somebody to win.
That is acting from a place of separation, which ultimately
is believing that there is separation with God. We can't
have one without the other, So that the dissolution is
a faith in oneness. And this is the cornerstone that
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we can build our structure. This is the foundation upon
the rock that Jesus had been speaking about, and in
my opinion is one way is to think about this.
This parable is founding our faith upon rock of oneness, connection,
intimate connection, unity with God as opposed to separation of sand.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
Beautiful. We have to take a short break, but when
we get back, I'd love to talk about how having
this faith of oneness will create peace in our lives
and in the world. We'll be right back.
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Hey, welcome back to the Angel Quest show. I have
with me my son Tim Nowei, and I'd love to
talk about how having this faith and oneness will create
peace in the world and in our lives.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
This is the value to value oneness. I'm positing this.
I invite you to consider this as whoever as you're
listening to this, to consider that oneness is the single
value to value above all others, as the foundation for
all others. When we value oneness, then in our interactions,
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in our relationship with the war world and with each other,
we will value this oneness with each other. In other words,
some of these offshoots and surface level concerns that have
separated us political pol you know, issues and ideas and
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how you know, how we are to live in the
form of things and to develop the form of things
in this world which has has often divided us. A
lot of these things have divided us. But if we
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hold a value of oneness within ourselves, these things become
much less important because we know if we know that
we are all one, and we will know, we will
come to know this for a fact one day, as
you say, Karen, why not make the day today? And
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so one way to do this in practice is to
hold the value of oneness as most important, meaning that
there's no there's no victory that comes with a disagreement
with somebody. We're not trying to argue to be right,
as much as have conversation to get to know other
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perspectives better, have conversations so that we can strengthen our
relationships with other people, because our relationship is the most
important thing that exists, not some form, not some agenda,
and not something that needs to be accomplished, but our relationship,
which starts in our mind, which starts in our perspective
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of the relationship. So as we have conversations, and of
course we will have we have opinions, and we have
different ways of seeing the world. We have different visions
for how certain things should play out, and this is
all natural and healthy. And how are we how are
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we being through this interaction, this collaboration that we're having
with the world. What are we valuing Because the value
of oneness allows the oneness to become stronger, which, by
the way, oneness really stands for victory for all. It's
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to believed that it's we yes, right, right exactly, and
we went.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
To that's in it for me, it's what is how
can we help the world? How can we help each other? Yes?
Speaker 8 (20:39):
Yes, and we are not separated from this so helping
in this way when when we help the world, it's
not that we're sacrificing ourselves for it in any way necessarily,
as much as we are helping ourselves and the world.
We've been taught to believe that we need to choose
one or the other because there's a root and separation there.
It's one or the other, you know, right, this one
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has to win and this one has to lose. Well,
that's an idea, that's a hypothesis. Maybe maybe it's possible
that we all win, That there's a way that we
all win in this world.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
Exactly exactly. Tim I was teaching a reggie course this
weekend and we had a group of people and we
started to talk about this, and I've been feeling guided
to start and either an organization or something, because we
all feel helpless with what's going on in the planet
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right now. We want to do something to increase the love,
increase the peace. And it just came to my head.
United States of Consciousness, in other words, if we raise
our own vibration, because it begins with us and we're
part of the whole. When we raise our own vibration
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to become more on part with who we really are,
which is God within us, which is only love and peace,
we're increasing the vibration of the whole world, the whole.
And I invite everybody if you're interested in joining. I
am seeing this to be a very big thing and
it has to be about love and peace and spreading oneness.
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You can email me at my email address at Luca
Lucina that's l u C l u C i NA
at aol dot com and I will give you some
more information on that. So I'm very excited you're joining us,
tim with that.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Absolutely, I love this, the United States of Consciousness. This
is the this is our imperative of this age, and
this is where our power resides.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Exactly because we are united, and the way to do
this is to raise our consciousness to remember who we
really are, which is love.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Yes, yes, yes, I think I think it starts. I'd
say it starts from our consciousness. And just to keep
in mind that our consciousness is not separate from the
world that we see starts, but so long as we
see a distinction, it starts from this consciousness because ultimately
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we're speaking about a united state of being, that this
being that encompasses our whole being, not just how we
have it in consciousness, but everything that we're doing is united.
And this is where it starts, with the consciousness exactly exactly.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
I wanted to share a little segment after the break.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
It was a.
Speaker 7 (23:37):
Wonderful song, Tim Do you remember it was called what
the World Needs Now is Love? But it was with
Tom Clay, and in the beginning of that song, this
wasn't I'm showing my age now. They had children, They
ask children questions that they knew what hatred was, and
so forth, And we come into this world only love,
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We're only peace. And I'd love to share that little
segment when we come back. But we're going for a
break right now, and we will be right back.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
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Speaker 9 (24:26):
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Speaker 1 (24:29):
M hmmm.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
What is segregation? I don't know what secretion is?
Speaker 8 (24:42):
What is bigotry?
Speaker 7 (24:44):
I don't know what.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
What does uh hatred me? I don't know where is
what is prejudice?
Speaker 5 (25:01):
I mean if Winson may think.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
So, there it is. And right now I'm crying. I
think you are too.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
What a heart gut wrenching track. This is the power
of this If certainly listen to the fullness of this
because it's it's quite a powerful one. The fullness of
this song, just that the some of the heaviness that
can exist in this world that we're called to fix
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be a part in resolving, really speaks right to the
heart of this, don't you think? Oh?
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Absolutely? And again the song is called what the World
Needs Now is Love with Tom Clay and beautiful song,
but it is gets to you. So do you want
to talk more about this? How we come into this world?
Clear play? We're just love and peace and then what happens?
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Yeah, Well, we're faced with this, this temptation to think
that there's something else, you know, it's unfortunate that that boy,
what a what a heavy how heavy some things can
be in this world seemingly and how how we how
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we how we interact with this. This is perhaps why
we're here, is too. You know, there's as as they say,
you can't see the stars in the daytime. It's it's
only when it's when there, when it's dark, that you
can see the stars. And and in in a way,
perhaps this is how we're called to shine in this,
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in this world. And and some of the darkness, the
heaviness that seems to be present, in a way we
can we can even come to bless it because through this,
through even that, even through the terrible things, and perhaps
especially through the terrible things, we come to understand who
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we are. More fully, we get to establish we get
to make a statement to all of life, to ourselves,
to God, who we are in the face of that
that what is more important than that there's no worldly accolade,
there's no worldly possession or any sort of gift that
we can get in the world. That's more important than
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establishing who we are for all of time, you know,
this is and who we are? This these are the
thoughts that we're having. These are the words that we're saying.
This is what we choose to look upon in the
very first place, and what we're thinking about all of
these things. This is establishing who we are. And there's
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no guarantee that will be you know, cushioned from some
tragic things or some heavy and just seemingly awful things.
But how we choose to be in the face of
these this is the treasure that we're building for ourselves
in heaven right here on earth.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
It's beautiful. I don't know if you could quote some
scripture I know, I love. There was a song many
years ago they used to sing at church when I
was hungry. When I was hungry, you gave me to eat.
When I was Thursday, you gave me to drink. Whatever
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you do to the least of your brothers, you do
to me.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Isn't this irrelevant piece of scripture? Isn't this a highly relevant? Yes,
piece of scripture for today when really considering the words
of Jesus of Christ here saying, whatever you do to
the least of these my brothers, my brother and my neighbors,
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you've done it to me. And this is again, this
is this is right in line with unity, consciousness, as
we've been saying it, our oneness, and that there's no
difference between ourselves and this world that we occupied. There's
no difference between ourself and everyone else. And if we
if we're operating from that, from that belief in difference
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in separation, we'll just remember that whatever we're doing to
any part of this, even the least of these, the
thing that the most helpless, we're doing it to God.
We're doing this exactly to God. And what powerful way
to allow us to live into this oneness each each
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and every day. To really keep this in mind all throughout.
There's no exceptions, no exception, there's not just some people
that are bad that deserve bad treatment. All all are
part of this, especially the ones that have no power,
that are powerless and are seeking our help.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Absolutely absolutely, So I know how you're going to answer this,
but I'll ask you anyway, should we agree to disagree?
Speaker 8 (30:23):
What? What?
Speaker 7 (30:24):
What?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
What?
Speaker 8 (30:25):
Is going to be my answer?
Speaker 7 (30:27):
No, you have to agree to agree.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
Right, that's right, this is right, and and and look
these phrases, it's not to be some sort of dogma right.
Something to consider to keep in mind that might be
valuable to each and every one of us. This this
phrase for the most part, for the most part, when
we say, oh, let's I agree to disagree, Really, what
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we're saying is that I'm I'm agreeing to not no
longer be in communication about this with you anymore. It's
a forest, it's it's not an agreement. There's no such
thing as agree to disagree. Agreement is. And this is
where the course comes in handy. Being in agreement, this
means that we're in communication. Just just consider how profound
of an agreement we must be in right now already,
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that we both exist, we're in the same place, and
we're speaking with one another, whether I mean I mean,
I mean with with you, Karen and me, and between us,
but also with you the audience whoever's listening, that we
we are already in profound agreement because you're hearing these
words right now somehow, that I'm speaking these words right now,
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and we're bound by this, even though it seems separate
in time, we're bound by this. We're in profound agreement
for all these things to be lining up and we're
here together. Yes, we start from this point. This is
profound agreement. When we say I agree to disagree. Well,
the course says that disagreement is simply a break in communication.
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We can't commune, unicate disagreement. Disagreement breaks communication. So this
idea that we can agree to disagree, i'd say, is
just an illusion that says, well, I'm I don't want
to communicate with you anymore, and so let's just stop this.
But it's our imperative, it's our you know, if we seek,
if we really are seeking to be the instigators of
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peace in this world, we must make it top priority
to agree to agree. So it's not to say that
we will need to change our mind about certain things
that we have. It may, it very well may. And
this is the beauty of this. And this is not
if we're valuing the pride of the ego over the
value of the spirit, well we may be mistaken at
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the onset, but if we're valuing spirit, we welcome a
change in mind. Oh boy, I never hadn't seen things
that way, and so now I understand things a different way.
I'm willing to change my mind. That's a beautiful thing.
But it's not to say that that we're called to
just absorb any view that's posed to us. As much
as enter conversation and really get to understand, really do
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our best to understand what somebody is saying with us,
so that we can understand and we can agree this
whole trajectory of what has made this person hold this
view in the first place.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
And here's really listen, right and really listen to what
they're saying, and.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
Why absolutely we can't We can't speak unless we unless
we really listen.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
I think. Yes, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but in
your booklet you say, in order to best speak, we
must listen, and in order to best listen, we must speak.
Neither is the root of discourse? Both or hmmm, tell
me about that.
Speaker 8 (33:44):
Yes, well, communication is what we're after. It's I like
to you know, I always reference the Churuse just because
it's been so helpful for my understanding of this world
and my own role and who I am in this
world and so forth. It just gives a lot of
these tools. But one of the ideas that the course
puts forth is this idea that anything This is my
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framing of it, But I'll come back to what it means.
Anything real is mutual, Everything true is mutually. It's mutually
experienced So in other words, if we think about teaching
and learning, according to the course, it's part of one process.
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There are student teacher relationships where each person is both.
Each person is both such that I can determine how
well I have taught somebody by how much I have
learned from them. So my nephew Ryan, my nephew Ryan,
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when I speak with him, if I can start to
understand how much I've taught him, I must feel into
how much I have learned from him. There's no such
thing as a one way communication. That's that's nonsense. At
least that's the idea that I'm putting forth for you
to consider. Uh, you know, the world, the world of
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the ego, as the course would say, the world likes
to think of things in terms of these one way
where teachers have more knowledge and they just give it
to the students. But really it's a it's a student
teacher relationship where both are learning and teaching simultaneously. So
to get back to your point your question about listening
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and speaking, it's the same thing. It's the same thing.
Sometimes paradoxically, in order to say, in order for me
to say to somebody something you know profound, that I
want to share somehow this is best expressed by merely listening,
by merely listening to the person.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
Okay, beautiful, that's so true. I'm just looking at some
of the things you were saying in the booklet. And
there's another one I love that says doing what is
right is different than being right.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Yes, yes, I would like to share again. These are
all just thoughts, Yeah, helpful thoughts. I hope that. How
how silly, how how how skewed we have as a
society come to label and talk about this world When
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we enter into an argument, a disagreement, and then somebody
walks away as being right. I was right, that person
was wrong right or the opposite right. But look at
the language of this. We've we've relegated our our being
itself to right or wrong. How absurd is this? I
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can't be wrong, you know, that doesn't make any sense.
Nobody can be wrong. We can think things that are wrong.
We might have thought things that are wrong or right,
but that's a trivial level of understanding being right, you know,
being right in the sense of having the right ideas
and argument. It's not something to be as much as
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to do right. Rightness is just something. That is, we
know within ourself what is right, and we do it
in the world. We don't. We don't. We don't label
somebody the person themselves as right or wrong, because that's
just that's to completely misunderstand who who who we are
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in ourselves, that's right.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
So one more, one more quote from your your booklet.
In order to have joy, we must give joy. To
have love, we must give love. Same thing as what
you're saying, pretty.
Speaker 8 (37:43):
Much exactly, yeah, exactly. It's mutually experienced and it's it's
it's it's uh, you know, paradoxical or counterintuitive from the
very transactional world where you know, when I give something away,
I don't have it anymore, and in order to get something,
I need to take it from somebody else. In the
realm of joy and truth and love, these things are
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only We have these things only when we give them away.
Just like an idea. Just like an idea. If I
have an idea and it's the most wonderful idea in
the world, and I never tell anybody, do I really
have that idea, it doesn't really have any existence. But
if I share the idea, if I share this idea
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with you, I still have this idea entirely, as do you.
And if you choose to have this idea yourself and
to share it yourself and to have value in this
idea yourself, this idea becomes even stronger in my own perspective.
So somehow, by sharing this idea, not only is it
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not diminished, but it's actually been strengthened through my sharing,
because now I've shared it and other people are reflecting
it back to me. This is the realm of love
and joy that we are called to share, share this
love enjoy in order to experience it in the first place.
Speaker 7 (39:07):
And you could even say sharing money or sharing food
and things like that. It always feels better when we
give if we have, even if we don't, sometimes it
feels good to give to someone else who needs it
more than we do.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
Yes, yes, And it's the approach I think that you're
getting at, the approach of that we're not again, this
is rooted in separation or oneness. We you know, siloed
off from the world or are we an integral part
of this world exactly.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
So it's very similar to the weak consciousness that I
talk about all the time, the oneness and all of it.
But it always begins with us, and it's exactly what
we were saying. We have to give ourselves the respect
that we deserve. We have to love ourselves and do
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all of that, because if we don't have love for ourselves,
we really can't show that to other people as well.
What do you say about that?
Speaker 8 (40:09):
Exactly? Exactly, Yeah, Well, it's a it's a clever trick
of the ego to buy into self sacrificing altruism in
the sense of it's rooted in separation. You know, if
I have to sacrifice myself to get have others benefit,
well then I'm making I'm making this distinction. I'm making
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this separation. It's just an ego, just an ego trick. Ironically, Yeah,
it seems like ego. Ego seems to be always like
self aggrandizement, but it can be the opposite, it can
be self minimization. Both are equally ego and both to
be discarded as soon as we recognize them.
Speaker 7 (40:51):
Beautiful, there's something in your book that you should talk about,
thought children. What is that?
Speaker 8 (40:59):
Yes, if we you know a lot of us listening
or you know, I'm sure there are many mothers listening
to this, and you would know, I would trust that
as that this motherly instinct is familiar. Or we can
look at just about all animal life and see just
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naturally the instinct that a mother has for her child.
Same with a father. Father father's love for a child,
a parent for the child, and we we do anything
for the child. It's a part of us. It's because
this is a part of ourself, the sort of attachment
that we have naturally, just biologically, you know, for our children,
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we have a similar attachment to our ideas and beliefs.
These are our thought children. Now what's this can serve us,
but it can hold us back because our thought children
may be misguided. Our thoughts children may be rooted in ego,
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they may be sabotaging us. But because they're they're ours,
because we've made them, because we've assumed them to be
part of ourselves, just like children, like physic actual children.
We have this attachment and we become unwilling to let
them go. And so it's important for us to consider
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that our thoughts need not be our thought children. We
can have a professional distance between ourselves and our thoughts
and our beliefs so that we can inspect them, so
that we can comeing into question, is this a thought
or is this a belief that I truly want to
hold onto? Or am I holding onto this just because
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I've I have always done so. But this attraction that
we have to our beliefs and our and this shouldn't
be surprising to anybody, you know. Certain oftentimes political ideologies
and these kinds of things just run in deep within somebody.
We hold them as children. But just recognizing this as
such can start to alleviate the burden for reconsidering some
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things so that maybe we can let them go ultimately,
so that we can have fruitful conversations and build stronger
relationships with people in this world.
Speaker 7 (43:26):
Beautiful. I think it's a lot of what a course
a miracle says about having a little willingness to change,
a little willingness to change our thoughts or beliefs.
Speaker 8 (43:37):
Yes, absolutely, this is all that we're asked. The course
asks us for one thing is for us to give
a little willingness that maybe there's another way of seeing things,
maybe there's another way of thinking about things. To be
willing to be willing to consider this at the onset,
not necessarily to think it through, and to come to
the answer as much as for be willing that the
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answer come to us.
Speaker 7 (44:01):
Beautiful. Okay, do you have any other words of wisdom
that you'd like to share with us?
Speaker 8 (44:10):
Well, boy, I'd like to ask before well, I'd like
to ask you something. Sure, So it's no, this is
by no means to diminish some of the things that
we're facing today. So I'm wondering how you know with
you frame this as what's going on in the world.
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You know, what are what are we? How can we
describe some of these things? And how can we how
can we more holistically bring healing through this whole process?
Speaker 7 (44:45):
Well, choose love, choose enter piece. For example, when I'm
on Facebook, I'd like I only post positive things because,
according to the law of attraction, whatever we're focusing upon grows.
So I like to focus on solutions rather than on
the problems or so called problems. Focus on what we
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desire rather than what we don't desire. Focus on love
within myself because again, whatever we're focus again pond grows
and we're not helping the situation. Even if we disagree
with someone, as we were talking about before, to argue
with them, we're not going to change their minds not
at all, but to try to hear what they're saying
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and why and they that might not necessarily change my mind,
but I'll be able to see through their eyes why
they feel what they do. And the bottom line is
we all want love, we all want peace, and to
understand that we are all connected. And again I'm starting
this United States of Consciousness. It's to increase the love
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of who we are, love of everyone else, in the
unity of everyone. If you'd like to join us, please
email me at Lucca Lucina l u c E l
u c I n A at aol dot com. We
be joining on zoom and in person and so forth.
And Tim, how can people find you and hear more
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about your courses online and in person on a course
in miracles.
Speaker 8 (46:26):
Well you can. I think at this point the easiest
thing to do is to go to your website Karennoi
dot com and just go to the class schedule. You'll
see some of the things that I have to offer
and you can sign up through through there.
Speaker 7 (46:42):
Yes, beautiful, anything else.
Speaker 8 (46:45):
You know, I'd say, And just to maybe round this out,
I'd say I agree fully with what you're sharing of
focusing on on love and truth and staying firm in this,
and oftentimes this may come with a recognition of what
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is not that it's being vigilant only for this, only
for love and truth. And so just to keep in
mind that this is where we're called to place our
attention love, truth in a collective sense oneness, No partial love,
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no love for some people and not others. That is nonsense. Okay,
don't buy into that. That's not going to get you anything. Okay.
We are here to increase and amplify love as the
universal force that it is. There are no exceptions, no exceptions.
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Do not listen to anybody or anything that says that
love is special and it's only deserved for certain people
in certain circumstances. That's a limited love and God is
greater than that. Let's be honest. Of course, we can
have conversations with these folks and try and allow all
of everybody to have a greater understanding of what love is.
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But let's stand firm and what love is, recognizing that
we're also ignoring what love is not, staying focused only
on God in God's Kingdom, as the course would call it, so.
Speaker 7 (48:24):
Beautifully and perfectly said, thank you Tim for being with us.
I love you.
Speaker 8 (48:29):
I love you too, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 7 (48:33):
Okay, so we're done for today. Tune in again to
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kareni Author. Have an amazing day and always remember to
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focus on the beauty and love all around you and
spread the love that you are. Angel. Blessings to you
now and always Bye bye.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
From our spirit, we perceive we are one humanity, awakening sactity,
awareness and unity. We are here to dance and see
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our connection with everything, understanding.
Speaker 5 (50:14):
Who we are through the ways of the heart. Let's
choose love, inner geeks living one in harmony with the nolge.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
At our core. We are the ones we've been waiting or.
Speaker 6 (50:37):
We can do it with the truth and bring new
light into.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
All we do.
Speaker 6 (50:45):
We are in love at our best.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
In the weed the consciousness.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
As we go consciously, we claim sovereignty.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
For our lives.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
Land dancye ground it in equality.
Speaker 5 (51:16):
Let's choose love, inner be living one in harmony with
the nogg.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
At our core.
Speaker 4 (51:28):
We are the ones we've been waiting before.
Speaker 8 (51:31):
We can do it.
Speaker 6 (51:33):
We fer true, bring new light into all we do.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
We are love.
Speaker 5 (51:41):
At our best in the week consciousness.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
There's a child like no mother within us.
Speaker 6 (51:53):
All we come discof looking up for one and love
to hear.
Speaker 4 (52:04):
Sisters and bra.
Speaker 5 (52:32):
Let's choose love, inner beings living one in Harlem.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
With the nodge.
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