July 18, 2025 • 20 mins
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Your hosts, Jim Riley and Rod Kuntz, are not just seasoned entrepreneurs; they’re expert storytellers with real-world experience in coaching, consulting, start-ups, fundraising, and crafting vibrant workplace cultures. Jim and Rod keep it real, sharing lessons learned from the trenches with humility, humor, and a focus on paying success forward. Every episode is packed with relatable stories, actionable advice, and a good dose of fun that’ll make you feel like you’re right there in the room. Whether you’re scaling your business, optimizing for profitability, or navigating failure, Jim and Rod have your back. So, if you’re ready to learn, laugh, and level up, you’ve found your tribe. Welcome to Young Entrepreneur Syndicate with Jim Riley and Rod Kuntz—where you’re not just listening, you’re part of the conversation!
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to the Answers Yes Podcast, where we interview some
of the most interesting people that have said yes to
opportunities in their life. We hope that through these stories
you can learn to create your own destiny by saying
yes along the way. Join us as we explore the
new series, covering topics such as passion, integrity, and hard work.
I'm your host Jim Riley, and I hope you enjoyed
(00:32):
these interviews as much as I do. I believe that
everyone has an important message worth hearing. Hello, and welcome
to the Young Entrepreneurs INDICET podcast. Hello Rod Coons, How
you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm doing fine, Jim Riley and how are you right?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
In the midst of everything going on? Transition Live Summer happiness.
It's great growth growth.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Now, that's that's the cool thing about summer. You know,
spring is where you've got you know, you got the refresh,
you know, all the sprouts things are coming up. But
summertime things flourish. I mean it really does. Its just
things start popping. I'm looking at, you know, the community
gardens around town. We have a farm share. We go
to the farm, you know once a week. I'm looking
(01:15):
at the hay fields, you know, the swathers are out,
and the haze and the windrows drying, and I mean
this is really the season of where the abundance is evident,
and that's.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
It's Yeah, it is a cool thing. It's interesting you're
talking about that. You know, I used to live in
the city and it seemed like everything was year round.
Nothing really slowed down because the seasonality of it. But
you know, cities, although the population is there, it's only
a small part of our country. So when you think
about all the people outside of the city and the
(01:47):
massive amounts of landscape out there where people are in seasons,
you know, especially here in Montana, where summertime is the
time to flourish, wintertime things slow down a little bit.
And how exciting it is to roll into summer have
a plan, you've been working your goals and your programming
(02:10):
and your strategies and your marketing, and summertime h's is
like boom, here we go, you know, rock on and
so whatever, depending where you live, you know, for us,
it's literally like less than three months. Other places it
could be four or five months, you know, and that's
where a lot of people make the most of their money. Yes,
and it's it's pretty neat here in Montana. I think
(02:31):
it's more prevalent for me now that I'm in real estate,
because before everything was virtual and most of my clients
were in big cities, so that was just year round.
But now that I'm in real estate. You just I
just watched the tidal wave come in in the spring.
We're in the middle of it, and I can already predict,
you know, that it's going to go back down as
the snow starts to fly. But how amazing it is
(02:55):
to enjoy that process and just look at it. Go wow,
let's get after it.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, And to be in touch with that change of season.
You know, we're biological creatures, you know, right, But regardless
of where you are on the spectrum, we're still a
physical entity down here on Earth and we're affected by
all these things. And to be able to be a
part of that, to be in step with it and
(03:19):
in sync with it is edifying, right, and energizing. So yeah,
it's exciting, you know, to be in the thick of it.
Like you said, you know, the tsunami is coming in,
but you know, it's nice to recognize that you're in it, right.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
He's speaking of tsunami. I am going to tease a
little bit that the YES community is going to be
going through some changes here in the near future, and
ride you and I spent a long time on the
phone yesterday. I spent some time on the phone with
our other partners, and we're going to be showing some
growth and some new opportunities and a lot of really
(03:59):
neat stuff in the very very near future. And I
believe it's going to come on like a tsunami. So
be prepared if you're a listener, be prepared for some
cool stuff that we'd love for you to be involved
in as it relates to all that. So I thought
i'd dropped that bomb out there real quick.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
That's that's a nice teaser. I wasn't going to say anything,
but I'm glad you did.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Well, you know, I like accountability, you know YES, And
so you just throw it out there and all of
a sudden, we're accountable for it. I mean, look, we
follow through on things that that's one of the soft
skills we talk teach in young entrepreneurs. But yeah, it's
gonna be fun. Okay, I'm going to throw a topic
out and I want you to answer it. First and
(04:42):
relate to the discussion through your own personal experience. And
the reason why is that I've been talking to a
colleague of mine. He's asked me for some advice, and
I'm giving him what I think, but I'd like to
use this this platform to give him some additional insights,
and you can give him you think. Now, obviously I
can't go into all the details, but the topic today
(05:04):
is knowing when to cut the cord, knowing when to
cut the cord and what that cord is is. And Rod,
I thought about you immediately on this discussion, and I
know that you'll have a very good answer. Is you know,
sometimes as entrepreneurs, we find ourselves in the position of
having multiple businesses, yes, you know, and it's like, wow,
(05:27):
I got a lot going on here. I'm not serving
any of my clients the right way because I have
too many things going on. I have my passion, that's
you know, over here in one hand. I've got the
thing that pays my bills over here on the other hand,
and I've got some stuff in the middle that I'm
not quite sure what to do with, right And so
we struggle through that as entrepreneurs because we're fighters we
(05:51):
don't want to throw anything away. We don't want to
quit or stop, but sometimes the best thing to do
is end it. And a lot of people talked about this.
I sold my import business at the end of last year.
It just was not serving me. It wasn't serving the
customers of that business. And by the way, I'm still
(06:12):
you know, involved in a behind the scenes way, but
you know, the day to day I'm gone. And it
was a tough decision because I started that company. I
was passionate about it. There's a charitable component to it.
That was the whole reason why we started. But it's like,
can I really step away? And I realized that the
best thing for that company and for me was to
step away. So when I'm thinking about you, I mean, look,
(06:34):
you have found so much success in your careers, whether
that's selling cars or you know, running you know, businesses,
but you've had this MLM component to your career as well.
And so if you can articulate maybe some of the
indicators that would suggest it's time to cut the cord
(06:56):
and or the thought process of you know, a if
it doesn't fit in this silo here, then I definitely
need to cut the cord. And you know, whether it's
taking the hit or letting it go, or just being
smart for your family whatever. I think I've killed enough
time to let you think about this. Well, I like
(07:17):
I did that for you.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna let you weigh in first, Rod,
and then here let me set you up.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah exactly, So thanks for that. Here you go, friend,
please give us your response. And when I say, it's
not only me but my client that I'm sure would
appreciate hearing from somebody else's perspective today.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
All right, well, I'm I'm going to by cut the cord.
I assume you're talking about either ending employment with an
employer or ending a business. Correct, So either way either
First let's i'm gonna package this in a really broad context,
and then we're gonna unravel it will go deeper. The
(07:59):
first context is that you know what we all want. Security.
You know, that's what bought jobs if you're working for
someone else typically means to someone right, it's it's the
regular paycheck. It's security knowing if you go in a
week later, two weeks later, you're going to get something.
So first I'm going to say this, know that your
(08:20):
source is not from man, your source is from God,
and he is going to take care of you. Right,
We've got you know, there's scriptures. You know, he takes
care of the birds of the air and the flowers
in the field. They lack for nothing, and so part
of this is mindset. Just know and trust that you
(08:41):
lack for nothing, and you're not going to be begging
for bread. You know, if you're doing things for the
right reason, you're never going to be begging for bread.
You're not going to be destitute, You're not going to
lose your life savings. You're you know, you are not
in that spot. Okay, you're going to be take can
care of So uh that's number one. Now we'll we'll
(09:03):
start diving a little bit deeper. And the second thing
I'm gonna say is look for the pinch points. Where
are the pain points if you if you are not
feeling good about your job, the people you serve, what
you're doing, the people you work with, the person you
work for. If there are pain points there that are
(09:25):
just really causing you angst, like this just isn't the
right fit for me anymore. If you've grown out of
a pair of shoes, right, you know what that paint
that pinch point. You're gonna get rid of those shoes.
You get a little rock in there, a little pebble
or something, you're gonna you're gonna deal with it, right,
You're not gonna keep going back and just doing it,
(09:45):
you know, burrow under your saddle. You know, all those
analogies are apt here, But look at your job that way.
Look at the business that you're in. If you've got
multiple businesses and you're looking at you know, cutting loose
from one of those, where's the pain point? And is
it enough of a pain point to change your shoes,
to get a new pair, to at least get the
(10:06):
rock out of it? And maybe that's it. Maybe there's
a pain point at your current business, and if you
got the rock out of it, you would flourish again,
you would feel better. So do an honest assessment, an
honest evaluation of the pain point. What's pinching you and why?
And is it something that you can control or that
you can't control, And if it's something you can control,
(10:27):
maybe try that first. A slow approach is okay, right,
In fact, I think a slow approach is beneficial to
everyone involved. So don't make rash decisions. Don't just Okay,
that's it, that's the straw that broke the camel's back,
and I'm out right work on the pinch points and
the pain points first and do an honest assessment. So
(10:48):
I always say make a business decision, not an emotional decision.
But the two are tied together. You have to do both.
You have to know how you feel about things, because
if you don't feel good about it going to be
at your best. You want optimum performance. You want the
oxygen and fuel mixture to be just right. That's where
you get the combustion. And if one of those is lacking,
(11:10):
fix it right. There's our race car analogy for your
past and Alex right, but there really is something to
be said for that. We need to fine tune what
it is we do, who we do it with, and
that's on us, right, And if it's not, you go
to the mechanic, and that would be a consultant, you know,
(11:32):
write a coach and you say, help me figure out
these pain points and work through it with someone else.
So look for help, ask for help. But you need
to do an honest assessment of your job, how you
fit into that job, your business, how you fit in
and it's a risk reward thing. But ultimately you've got
(11:54):
to be able to make hard decisions and that is
where business owners become leader. You can be a business owner,
but you're not a leader if you can't make the
hard decisions. And if you're wanting someone else to make
all those decisions for you, you're never going to get to
that next level that you're supposed to be at. So
hard decisions are where we stumble. Hard decisions are where
(12:18):
we fail. Hard decisions are what build our character. So
don't expect it to be easy. Don't expect that you've
got rid of one pain point, you're not going to
get another one. Right, So this is part of that
honest assessment. And and you and I have had this
discussion with other things. Jim and I always say, follow
the piece, Where is the piece? Where's the last time
(12:42):
you felt? Piece? Because that's what you that's your indicator,
you know, that's your internal barometer. So work work hard
and honestly at identifying why, what your why is? Why
are you there? To begin with, why did you start that?
Why did you take that employment? Uh? Is it still
meeting those needs? Because whyse change? Whise change and you
(13:06):
have to you have to know that, you have to
acknowledge it and be able to walk through that. So
this is a growth opportunity no matter what it is.
And you know, when I left my last job, I
didn't you know I was too young to retire. I
didn't have you couldn't take a pension, couldn't take so security.
You know, it's like, but I knew that I was
(13:26):
at a point where decision had to be made and
it all works out right, in fact, flourished as a
result of it. You know, you're better, better than ever
by making the hard decisions, and I know that's your
story also with your move to Montana. You know you
make those hard decisions. But if you're making the right
(13:47):
decision and you work hard, you know you're not making
a decision to to make it easy on yourself.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Right, Well, let me ask you about the right decision,
by the way, because that a lot of times we
worry as humans about making the right decision. And so
my opinion is the thing that succeeds is where you
put your time and attention. And so if you're overloaded
with too many things, so you're not giving the appropriate
(14:18):
amount of time and attention to all those things, you
do need to make a decision. And so by making
that decision, you know, sometimes right or wrong. If you
shift your time and attention to focus on you know,
maybe this is a passion project. You'll find that success.
But it will be hard, you know, nothing, We've said
that all the time. There's no guarantees that life is
(14:40):
going to be easy. But if your heart says this
is where you need to be, then you need to
make the hard decision to cut the things that aren't
working right. And I think that that's where we struggle,
whether that's ego or pride or never give up attitude.
You know, the list is long of reasons why we
don't stop doing something, especially when we're leaders. But sometimes
(15:04):
it's a necessity, right, because you can lead better somewhere else,
or lead better with focus and attention somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Well, sometimes I'm gonna throw this out there too. We're
gonna go to Robert's rule of order for this one.
All right, little draw on some of that. Okay, sometimes
what we need to do is just step back and
take a break, let the dust settle, let things clear out.
So what we're going to do is we're going to
say I make a motion that we table this tabling.
It doesn't mean you're ending it, that you're killing it.
(15:33):
It's not killing a bill. You're putting it on the table.
You're just setting it aside, and then when you're ready
you can call it back off of the table. I
move that we remove this from the table and we
have that discussion again. So if you look at some decisions,
maybe put it on the table for a little bit
and see how that feels right. It doesn't mean it's permanent.
(15:56):
So if you need to take a sabbatical, if you
need to tell your employer, look, I'm really struggling here.
I need to take two weeks off. I know I've
already burned my vacation. I'm asking for two weeks. I
just need to get my head on. Will you work
with me on that or a week whatever it is,
you know, put it on the table and love that,
(16:17):
and make a point to do it with intention. You're
not just taking a break. You're not going to go
water skiing and wakeboarding and hiking in the mountains. You're
going to do it with intention and take that time away,
step away, but make sure you're spending the time to
do an honest assessment and then you can take it
(16:38):
off the table and go back.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
You know what I love about that, Rod, That's probably
the best part of this entire discussion, because within that
you can.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Have clarity, absolutely, and you.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Can walk in the shoes of what that clarity looks
like for that period of time. And I think a
month is a good period of time. I just lived
through this, by the way, and what that is is
I'm not sure if we talked about on the show,
but we were talking about uprooting our you know, dream
home here, selling it, building something smaller here in Montana,
(17:14):
and then buying a little vacation home in a place
called Saint George. And we literally we put an offering
on a place and we were under contract in Saint
George and our house was up for sale, and we
had open houses and all the things right, and you know,
in our world, we prayed for clarity, We prayed for
God's will and the whole thing. And you know, we
(17:36):
had open eyes as a family going into that saying okay,
you know, what are we supposed to do here? And
we thought we were making all the right moves. I
woke up one morning and I said, we're not selling.
And we fell out a contract down in Saint George,
and I said, we're not selling. And I think the
most important lesson there is we had a chance to
(17:57):
see what it would feel like not to own this
home anymore, not to have the resources here, not to
stay up until eleven o'clock at night out on the
driveway in the sunshine, yelling and screaming because we don't
have any neighbors, right, but feeling what it would be
like to be down in St. George in one hundred
and sixty degree weather. You know which we did, and
then we went back and did it some more and go,
(18:18):
you know what, maybe this isn't the right thing. And
it took a month to provide that clarity. So when
you talk about tabling a decision, or as your example suggests,
taking a couple weeks off from your employer, our month off,
or maybe shutting the doors on your business for a month,
or letting an assistant or a spouse run it for
a month, and you step back and you look at
(18:40):
it and go, wait a minute, maybe I don't want
any part of this, or wait a minute, this is awesome. Yeah,
I'm going right, So I love that because when we
can pray into clarity and lean into clarity through stepping
or tabling, it what a brilliant idea. I love that.
(19:01):
I hope you're listening.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
See all that community service comes in handy even with business.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Right, Yeah, that's right. If you don't know Robert's rules
and you're on a board, you better go get the
book in a hurry. That's the that's the rules. Are
a lot of boards run by Robert's rules. So anyways, Rod,
what a pleasure. I appreciate your input. I know that
my friend will as well. I will send this podcast
to him once we get it published. And gosh, like
(19:31):
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(19:54):
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Speaker 2 (20:09):
Absolutely, yeah, I'm I'm so excited. In fact, that's part
of what my wife and I were up late last
night talking about, was like, oh, this is It's that
you know that next level, you know, taking that next
level plunge that we envisioned, and sometimes your vision changes, right,
you know it, and you have to be able to
shift and move and evolve as the vision grows. You Now,
(20:31):
the vision grows, you have to make moves to accommodate
the growth. That's right, your shoes, that's right.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Okay, I'm going to bounce Rod. Good to see you.
Thanks for tuning in Young Entreperson Podcast.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
See you next time.
Welcome to the Answers Yes Podcast, where we interview some
of the most interesting people that have said yes to
opportunities in their life. We hope that through these stories
you can learn to create your own destiny by saying
yes along the way. Join us as we explore the
new series, covering topics such as passion, integrity, and hard work.
I'm your host Jim Riley, and I hope you enjoyed
(00:32):
these interviews as much as I do. I believe that
everyone has an important message worth hearing. Hello, and welcome
to the Young Entrepreneurs INDICET podcast. Hello Rod Coons, How
you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm doing fine, Jim Riley and how are you right?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
In the midst of everything going on? Transition Live Summer happiness.
It's great growth growth.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Now, that's that's the cool thing about summer. You know,
spring is where you've got you know, you got the refresh,
you know, all the sprouts things are coming up. But
summertime things flourish. I mean it really does. Its just
things start popping. I'm looking at, you know, the community
gardens around town. We have a farm share. We go
to the farm, you know once a week. I'm looking
(01:15):
at the hay fields, you know, the swathers are out,
and the haze and the windrows drying, and I mean
this is really the season of where the abundance is evident,
and that's.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
It's Yeah, it is a cool thing. It's interesting you're
talking about that. You know, I used to live in
the city and it seemed like everything was year round.
Nothing really slowed down because the seasonality of it. But
you know, cities, although the population is there, it's only
a small part of our country. So when you think
about all the people outside of the city and the
(01:47):
massive amounts of landscape out there where people are in seasons,
you know, especially here in Montana, where summertime is the
time to flourish, wintertime things slow down a little bit.
And how exciting it is to roll into summer have
a plan, you've been working your goals and your programming
(02:10):
and your strategies and your marketing, and summertime h's is
like boom, here we go, you know, rock on and
so whatever, depending where you live, you know, for us,
it's literally like less than three months. Other places it
could be four or five months, you know, and that's
where a lot of people make the most of their money. Yes,
and it's it's pretty neat here in Montana. I think
(02:31):
it's more prevalent for me now that I'm in real estate,
because before everything was virtual and most of my clients
were in big cities, so that was just year round.
But now that I'm in real estate. You just I
just watched the tidal wave come in in the spring.
We're in the middle of it, and I can already predict,
you know, that it's going to go back down as
the snow starts to fly. But how amazing it is
(02:55):
to enjoy that process and just look at it. Go wow,
let's get after it.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, And to be in touch with that change of season.
You know, we're biological creatures, you know, right, But regardless
of where you are on the spectrum, we're still a
physical entity down here on Earth and we're affected by
all these things. And to be able to be a
part of that, to be in step with it and
(03:19):
in sync with it is edifying, right, and energizing. So yeah,
it's exciting, you know, to be in the thick of it.
Like you said, you know, the tsunami is coming in,
but you know, it's nice to recognize that you're in it, right.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
He's speaking of tsunami. I am going to tease a
little bit that the YES community is going to be
going through some changes here in the near future, and
ride you and I spent a long time on the
phone yesterday. I spent some time on the phone with
our other partners, and we're going to be showing some
growth and some new opportunities and a lot of really
(03:59):
neat stuff in the very very near future. And I
believe it's going to come on like a tsunami. So
be prepared if you're a listener, be prepared for some
cool stuff that we'd love for you to be involved
in as it relates to all that. So I thought
i'd dropped that bomb out there real quick.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
That's that's a nice teaser. I wasn't going to say anything,
but I'm glad you did.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Well, you know, I like accountability, you know YES, And
so you just throw it out there and all of
a sudden, we're accountable for it. I mean, look, we
follow through on things that that's one of the soft
skills we talk teach in young entrepreneurs. But yeah, it's
gonna be fun. Okay, I'm going to throw a topic
out and I want you to answer it. First and
(04:42):
relate to the discussion through your own personal experience. And
the reason why is that I've been talking to a
colleague of mine. He's asked me for some advice, and
I'm giving him what I think, but I'd like to
use this this platform to give him some additional insights,
and you can give him you think. Now, obviously I
can't go into all the details, but the topic today
(05:04):
is knowing when to cut the cord, knowing when to
cut the cord and what that cord is is. And Rod,
I thought about you immediately on this discussion, and I
know that you'll have a very good answer. Is you know,
sometimes as entrepreneurs, we find ourselves in the position of
having multiple businesses, yes, you know, and it's like, wow,
(05:27):
I got a lot going on here. I'm not serving
any of my clients the right way because I have
too many things going on. I have my passion, that's
you know, over here in one hand. I've got the
thing that pays my bills over here on the other hand,
and I've got some stuff in the middle that I'm
not quite sure what to do with, right And so
we struggle through that as entrepreneurs because we're fighters we
(05:51):
don't want to throw anything away. We don't want to
quit or stop, but sometimes the best thing to do
is end it. And a lot of people talked about this.
I sold my import business at the end of last year.
It just was not serving me. It wasn't serving the
customers of that business. And by the way, I'm still
(06:12):
you know, involved in a behind the scenes way, but
you know, the day to day I'm gone. And it
was a tough decision because I started that company. I
was passionate about it. There's a charitable component to it.
That was the whole reason why we started. But it's like,
can I really step away? And I realized that the
best thing for that company and for me was to
step away. So when I'm thinking about you, I mean, look,
(06:34):
you have found so much success in your careers, whether
that's selling cars or you know, running you know, businesses,
but you've had this MLM component to your career as well.
And so if you can articulate maybe some of the
indicators that would suggest it's time to cut the cord
(06:56):
and or the thought process of you know, a if
it doesn't fit in this silo here, then I definitely
need to cut the cord. And you know, whether it's
taking the hit or letting it go, or just being
smart for your family whatever. I think I've killed enough
time to let you think about this. Well, I like
(07:17):
I did that for you.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna let you weigh in first, Rod,
and then here let me set you up.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah exactly, So thanks for that. Here you go, friend,
please give us your response. And when I say, it's
not only me but my client that I'm sure would
appreciate hearing from somebody else's perspective today.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
All right, well, I'm I'm going to by cut the cord.
I assume you're talking about either ending employment with an
employer or ending a business. Correct, So either way either
First let's i'm gonna package this in a really broad context,
and then we're gonna unravel it will go deeper. The
(07:59):
first context is that you know what we all want. Security.
You know, that's what bought jobs if you're working for
someone else typically means to someone right, it's it's the
regular paycheck. It's security knowing if you go in a
week later, two weeks later, you're going to get something.
So first I'm going to say this, know that your
(08:20):
source is not from man, your source is from God,
and he is going to take care of you. Right,
We've got you know, there's scriptures. You know, he takes
care of the birds of the air and the flowers
in the field. They lack for nothing, and so part
of this is mindset. Just know and trust that you
(08:41):
lack for nothing, and you're not going to be begging
for bread. You know, if you're doing things for the
right reason, you're never going to be begging for bread.
You're not going to be destitute, You're not going to
lose your life savings. You're you know, you are not
in that spot. Okay, you're going to be take can
care of So uh that's number one. Now we'll we'll
(09:03):
start diving a little bit deeper. And the second thing
I'm gonna say is look for the pinch points. Where
are the pain points if you if you are not
feeling good about your job, the people you serve, what
you're doing, the people you work with, the person you
work for. If there are pain points there that are
(09:25):
just really causing you angst, like this just isn't the
right fit for me anymore. If you've grown out of
a pair of shoes, right, you know what that paint
that pinch point. You're gonna get rid of those shoes.
You get a little rock in there, a little pebble
or something, you're gonna you're gonna deal with it, right,
You're not gonna keep going back and just doing it,
(09:45):
you know, burrow under your saddle. You know, all those
analogies are apt here, But look at your job that way.
Look at the business that you're in. If you've got
multiple businesses and you're looking at you know, cutting loose
from one of those, where's the pain point? And is
it enough of a pain point to change your shoes,
to get a new pair, to at least get the
(10:06):
rock out of it? And maybe that's it. Maybe there's
a pain point at your current business, and if you
got the rock out of it, you would flourish again,
you would feel better. So do an honest assessment, an
honest evaluation of the pain point. What's pinching you and why?
And is it something that you can control or that
you can't control, And if it's something you can control,
(10:27):
maybe try that first. A slow approach is okay, right,
In fact, I think a slow approach is beneficial to
everyone involved. So don't make rash decisions. Don't just Okay,
that's it, that's the straw that broke the camel's back,
and I'm out right work on the pinch points and
the pain points first and do an honest assessment. So
(10:48):
I always say make a business decision, not an emotional decision.
But the two are tied together. You have to do both.
You have to know how you feel about things, because
if you don't feel good about it going to be
at your best. You want optimum performance. You want the
oxygen and fuel mixture to be just right. That's where
you get the combustion. And if one of those is lacking,
(11:10):
fix it right. There's our race car analogy for your
past and Alex right, but there really is something to
be said for that. We need to fine tune what
it is we do, who we do it with, and
that's on us, right, And if it's not, you go
to the mechanic, and that would be a consultant, you know,
(11:32):
write a coach and you say, help me figure out
these pain points and work through it with someone else.
So look for help, ask for help. But you need
to do an honest assessment of your job, how you
fit into that job, your business, how you fit in
and it's a risk reward thing. But ultimately you've got
(11:54):
to be able to make hard decisions and that is
where business owners become leader. You can be a business owner,
but you're not a leader if you can't make the
hard decisions. And if you're wanting someone else to make
all those decisions for you, you're never going to get to
that next level that you're supposed to be at. So
hard decisions are where we stumble. Hard decisions are where
(12:18):
we fail. Hard decisions are what build our character. So
don't expect it to be easy. Don't expect that you've
got rid of one pain point, you're not going to
get another one. Right, So this is part of that
honest assessment. And and you and I have had this
discussion with other things. Jim and I always say, follow
the piece, Where is the piece? Where's the last time
(12:42):
you felt? Piece? Because that's what you that's your indicator,
you know, that's your internal barometer. So work work hard
and honestly at identifying why, what your why is? Why
are you there? To begin with, why did you start that?
Why did you take that employment? Uh? Is it still
meeting those needs? Because whyse change? Whise change and you
(13:06):
have to you have to know that, you have to
acknowledge it and be able to walk through that. So
this is a growth opportunity no matter what it is.
And you know, when I left my last job, I
didn't you know I was too young to retire. I
didn't have you couldn't take a pension, couldn't take so security.
You know, it's like, but I knew that I was
(13:26):
at a point where decision had to be made and
it all works out right, in fact, flourished as a
result of it. You know, you're better, better than ever
by making the hard decisions, and I know that's your
story also with your move to Montana. You know you
make those hard decisions. But if you're making the right
(13:47):
decision and you work hard, you know you're not making
a decision to to make it easy on yourself.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Right, Well, let me ask you about the right decision,
by the way, because that a lot of times we
worry as humans about making the right decision. And so
my opinion is the thing that succeeds is where you
put your time and attention. And so if you're overloaded
with too many things, so you're not giving the appropriate
(14:18):
amount of time and attention to all those things, you
do need to make a decision. And so by making
that decision, you know, sometimes right or wrong. If you
shift your time and attention to focus on you know,
maybe this is a passion project. You'll find that success.
But it will be hard, you know, nothing, We've said
that all the time. There's no guarantees that life is
(14:40):
going to be easy. But if your heart says this
is where you need to be, then you need to
make the hard decision to cut the things that aren't
working right. And I think that that's where we struggle,
whether that's ego or pride or never give up attitude.
You know, the list is long of reasons why we
don't stop doing something, especially when we're leaders. But sometimes
(15:04):
it's a necessity, right, because you can lead better somewhere else,
or lead better with focus and attention somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Well, sometimes I'm gonna throw this out there too. We're
gonna go to Robert's rule of order for this one.
All right, little draw on some of that. Okay, sometimes
what we need to do is just step back and
take a break, let the dust settle, let things clear out.
So what we're going to do is we're going to
say I make a motion that we table this tabling.
It doesn't mean you're ending it, that you're killing it.
(15:33):
It's not killing a bill. You're putting it on the table.
You're just setting it aside, and then when you're ready
you can call it back off of the table. I
move that we remove this from the table and we
have that discussion again. So if you look at some decisions,
maybe put it on the table for a little bit
and see how that feels right. It doesn't mean it's permanent.
(15:56):
So if you need to take a sabbatical, if you
need to tell your employer, look, I'm really struggling here.
I need to take two weeks off. I know I've
already burned my vacation. I'm asking for two weeks. I
just need to get my head on. Will you work
with me on that or a week whatever it is,
you know, put it on the table and love that,
(16:17):
and make a point to do it with intention. You're
not just taking a break. You're not going to go
water skiing and wakeboarding and hiking in the mountains. You're
going to do it with intention and take that time away,
step away, but make sure you're spending the time to
do an honest assessment and then you can take it
(16:38):
off the table and go back.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
You know what I love about that, Rod, That's probably
the best part of this entire discussion, because within that
you can.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Have clarity, absolutely, and you.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Can walk in the shoes of what that clarity looks
like for that period of time. And I think a
month is a good period of time. I just lived
through this, by the way, and what that is is
I'm not sure if we talked about on the show,
but we were talking about uprooting our you know, dream
home here, selling it, building something smaller here in Montana,
(17:14):
and then buying a little vacation home in a place
called Saint George. And we literally we put an offering
on a place and we were under contract in Saint
George and our house was up for sale, and we
had open houses and all the things right, and you know,
in our world, we prayed for clarity, We prayed for
God's will and the whole thing. And you know, we
(17:36):
had open eyes as a family going into that saying okay,
you know, what are we supposed to do here? And
we thought we were making all the right moves. I
woke up one morning and I said, we're not selling.
And we fell out a contract down in Saint George,
and I said, we're not selling. And I think the
most important lesson there is we had a chance to
(17:57):
see what it would feel like not to own this
home anymore, not to have the resources here, not to
stay up until eleven o'clock at night out on the
driveway in the sunshine, yelling and screaming because we don't
have any neighbors, right, but feeling what it would be
like to be down in St. George in one hundred
and sixty degree weather. You know which we did, and
then we went back and did it some more and go,
(18:18):
you know what, maybe this isn't the right thing. And
it took a month to provide that clarity. So when
you talk about tabling a decision, or as your example suggests,
taking a couple weeks off from your employer, our month off,
or maybe shutting the doors on your business for a month,
or letting an assistant or a spouse run it for
a month, and you step back and you look at
(18:40):
it and go, wait a minute, maybe I don't want
any part of this, or wait a minute, this is awesome. Yeah,
I'm going right, So I love that because when we
can pray into clarity and lean into clarity through stepping
or tabling, it what a brilliant idea. I love that.
(19:01):
I hope you're listening.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
See all that community service comes in handy even with business.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Right, Yeah, that's right. If you don't know Robert's rules
and you're on a board, you better go get the
book in a hurry. That's the that's the rules. Are
a lot of boards run by Robert's rules. So anyways, Rod,
what a pleasure. I appreciate your input. I know that
my friend will as well. I will send this podcast
to him once we get it published. And gosh, like
(19:31):
I said earlier, we've got some great things coming up.
So stay tuned, keep listening, share this show if you
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(19:54):
you can't get that anywhere, at least amongst my friends
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Speaker 2 (20:09):
Absolutely, yeah, I'm I'm so excited. In fact, that's part
of what my wife and I were up late last
night talking about, was like, oh, this is It's that
you know that next level, you know, taking that next
level plunge that we envisioned, and sometimes your vision changes, right,
you know it, and you have to be able to
shift and move and evolve as the vision grows. You Now,
(20:31):
the vision grows, you have to make moves to accommodate
the growth. That's right, your shoes, that's right.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Okay, I'm going to bounce Rod. Good to see you.
Thanks for tuning in Young Entreperson Podcast.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
See you next time.
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