44 | Russell Williams

Col. Russell Williams lived a shocking double life. On the outside he was a successful pilot for the Canadian Forces, but just underneath the surface was a depraved deviant.
This episode was written, researched and produced by Erika Gwynn
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This podcast contains graphic descriptions, explicitlanguage, and audio clips that may be
disturbing to some audiences. Listener discretionis advised. Robert Lewis Stevenson wrote a
novella called The Strange Case of DoctorJekyll and Mister Hyde. The long and

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short of the story, without goinginto too much detail, is about a
man with a dual personality. DoctorJekyll is a well to do individual and
is supposed to be the representation ofa good person, while mister Hyde is
the pure embodiment of evil. Evenhis features. While resembling Doctor Jekyll ever
so slightly, they take on moreof a primitive look. Throughout the story,

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Jeckyll tries to keep Hyde at bay, but it proves to be extremely
difficult. This is just fiction andnot facts. Though we know that a
person cannot physically transform into a monster, our features can not drastically change when
our true nature takes hold of us. However, maybe a comparable transformation doesn't

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occur on the outside, but onthe inside. And maybe Stevenson never realized
that his tale would have a baselineof fact. When it comes to the
story we're about to discuss, You'relistening to the Apex and the Abyss,
and this is the story of ColonelRussell Williams. He was a killer with

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the ultimate cover. As a basecommander in the Canadian Air Force, Colonel
Russell Williams comforted families of the fallen, rubbed shoulders with the Prime Minister,
and even flew planes for the Queen, but no one, including his wife,
knew that he was also a sexual, deviant, burglar, rapist,
and murderer. This story's main playeris a man by the name of Russell

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Williams. On paper before his crimeswere revealed, Russell was a motivated and
accomplish man. Heard the Canadian Forceswebsite long before his profile was taken down,
it read Colonel Russ Williams enrolled inthe Canadian Forces in nineteen eighty seven
after obtaining a degree in economics andpolitical sciences from the University of Toronto.

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He received his wings in nineteen ninetyand was a flight instructor for two years
on the CTE one thirty four BeachMusketeer. By nineteen ninety nine, he
was promoted to major and was amulti engine pilot career manager from two thousand
and three to two thousand and four, he attended the Canadian Forces Command and

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Staff courses and he received a Master'sof Defense Studies from the Royal Military College.
After obtaining this masters, he waspromoted to lieutenant colonel. In January
of two thousand and nine, hewas promoted to colonel after attending the Canadian
Forces Language School for six months.The final line of his profile reads a

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photographer, fisherman, and runner.Colonel Williams and his wife Mary Elizabeth are
also avid golfers. But like previouslystated on paper, Russell Williams is a
decorated colonel in the Canadian Forces.He's well known and respected amongst his colleagues,
peers and subordinates. He was lovedand cherished by his wife. He

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seemed like a truly wonderful man.What no one realized was that Colonel Russell
Williams was leading a double life,a life filled with stalking, obsession,
fetish and murder. It's a tragedyand the fact now that this has been
identified as someone who might be Russellwilliam was born in England on March seventh,

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nineteen sixty three, to Christine andCedric Williams. Russell's father would accept
a job at Chalk River Laboratories inChalk River, Ontario, in Canada,
which prompted the family to emigrate tothe Great White North. Not long after
the family moved, the Williams welcomedanother son named Harvey into the world.

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An odd situation occurred when Russell wasa young boy after his family had moved
to Canada. His parents would befriendthe Sofkus family. Doctor Jerrysofkas and his
wife would get close to Cedric andChristine So much though, that when Russell's
parents divorced when he was just sixyears old, his mother would begin dating
and eventually marry Jerrysofkas, he haddivorced his wife as well. Russell felt

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a close bond with his new stepfather. He would even for a time take
Jerry's last name and become Russ Sofka's. When it comes to Russell's childhood,
this is just about the most significantthing to occur. From all accounts.
He grew up in a healthy andhappy home. Russell's mother and stepfather traveled

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frequently for work while he was inhigh school. He would eventually get enrolled
in a boarding school to complete hiseducation. While his parents were in South
Korea. He did spend a yearabroad with them, but he would later
state that the experience was not pleasant. Later, at the boarding school back
in Canada, Russell thrived. Hewas even made a prefect during his last

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year of school. Allegedly, Russelltended to keep to himself by just playing
his trumpet or study for his classesat boarding school. Despite the fact that
he received good grades, he seemedto be a loner. After Russell graduated
from high school, he enrolled atthe University of Toronto again. While at
the university, he excelled academically.He majored in economics and political sciences and

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received high marks in his classes.It seemed that going to college changed Russell.
Russell would state that during this timehe was mischievous and a practical joker.
He loved playing pranks on people,but his roommate would sing a different
tune. In the beginning, whenRussell first arrived at the school, he
was rigid and cold, but somethingshifted. He became more lighthearted and decided

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to try and be a part ofa group verses on the outside. During
his time in college, Russell alsowent back to calling himself Russell Williams.
However, the reasoning behind this isunknown. Perhaps because he was trying to
evolve into a different person, hewanted to change everything down to his name,
a new persona. Perhaps some ofthe pranks that Russell would play on

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people wouldn't give a person a secondthought, but what we would later find
out about Russell it gives off adifferent feeling. One particular prank sticks out.
One evening, Russell's roommate arrived backto their room late in the evening.
Russell hid in the closet and waited. His roommate sat at his desk
and began to study. The roommatewould later state that he was sitting there

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for at least a half hour beforeRussell came bursting out of the closet,
effectively scaring the Bejesus out of hisfriend. Again, this seems fun and
innocent, but could it be aprecursor to what Russell would become. During
his time in school, it wasnoted that Russell's family was not a big

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part of his life. His biologicalfather had moved to the US for work,
and his stepfather and mother worked oftenin Korea. His roommate recalls bringing
up his parents divorce and that itwas a painful topic for Russell to speak
about, as it typically would befor most children coming from that type of
situation. Also, during college,Russell would have a girlfriend, but when

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the relationship ended, he was incrediblyheart broken and sullen. He would attempt
to win her affections back, butit would be no use. He would
begin going to her classes and followingher around campus. It got to the
point where she had to speak tohis roommate to get him to stop.
By nineteen eighty seven, Russell Williamsjoined the Canadian Forces and in nineteen ninety

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he received his flying wings. Soonthereafter, he would go to Manitoba and
be a flight instructor for two years. During this time, Russell would find
love again. He would meet andbecome involved with a woman named Mary Elizabeth
Harriman. The pair would wed innineteen ninety one. Within the same year,
Russell would rise to the rank ofcaptain. Russell's time in the military

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was nothing short of spectacular. Heflew numerous successful missions and received promotion after
promotion. He was respected and adoredby those who knew him. He was
a star military official and nothing wasin his Way. By nineteen ninety nine,
he was promoted to major and wastransferred to to be a multi engine

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pilot career manager. A few yearslater, in two thousand and four,
he would don the title of Lieutenantcolonel and become the commanding officer of the
four thirty seven Transport Squadron at theCanadian Forces Base in Trenton. By two
thousand and nine, Russell Williams wouldbecome commander of the eight Wing Trenton.

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From two thousand and four to twothousand and nine, Russell would fly relief
workers to the Gulf Coast to helppeople affected by Hurricane Katrina. He would
work a secret mission on the PersianGulf, and he would even fly Queen
Elizabeth the Second and Prince Philip whilethey visited Canada. Besides his thriving career,

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Russell's personal life was also splendid.He and his wife upted to not
have children, so it was justthe two of them, and they appeared
to be very happy. They sharedsimilar interests and hobbies. They were always
seen showing each other affection and smiling, the appear arts of a very healthy
and balanced couple. In December oftwo thousand and nine, the couple had

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purchased Mary Elizabeth's dream home in Ottawa, something that Russell was ecstatic to give
her. Russell still worked at thebase in Trenton during this time, which
was an almost three hour drive fromOttawa, so to ease the burden of
his travel, Russell and his wifehad purchased a home in Tweed, Ontario,

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which is only about forty five minutesaway from Russell's base. Russell would
spend the week at his cottage andTweed, and then on the weekends he
would either drive to Trenton to spendwith his wife, or Mary Elizabeth would
go to the cottage on the weekends. Not a typical or ideal scenario,
but one net worked for them.They were extremely successful within their careers and

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very busy, so this schedule workedfor them and despite the long distance and
the separation, they were still veryhappy. However, this allowed Russell to
have copious amounts of a lone timetime in which he used to stalk and
burglarize from homes. From two thousandand seven to two thousand and ten,

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Russell Williams would commit unthinkable crimes ashe was continuing on his trajectory of a
rising military star. He was alsobreaking and burglarizing homes in his surrounding area,
but what he stole and the actshe did within these homes is what
makes him unique. Williams would waituntil he was covered by the darkness of

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night before he would creep along theside of homes, sometimes while he himself
would be undressed. His voyeurism seemsto be the cornerstone of all of this.
It is unclear how long he wasan active voyer. It seems odd
and somewhat unlikely that he would begindoing such things in his forties, but

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regardless, this is what we knowabout him. Soon Russell would break into
home when the occupants weren't there,and he would steal the underwear of the
female residence. He would even stealthe underwear of a nine year old girl.
What Russell would also do would beto document the things he did within
the home in his journal and bytaking photographs of himself. In some photographs,

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he can be seen masturbating on thebed of a young girl. As
if this wasn't terrifying and disgusting enough. Sometimes Russell would even leave notes for
his victims. On one girl's computer, he simply wrote Marcy after he stole
her underwear and rummaged through her room. Once Russell had taken the undergarments,
he photographed himself wearing them, aswell as performing sexual acts in them.

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His compulsion to break in and stealthe personal effects of women was insatiable.
He would spend his nights repeatedly breakinginto the homes of his neighbors. Sometimes
he would take nothing at all,and other times he would steal all the
articles of underwear belonging to women inthe home, and also things like sex
toys. Russell's perversion was growing almostas quickly and largely as his list of

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victims he was accumulating. In Ottawaand Tweed, authorities were well aware that
they had a serial burglar on theirhands, one that had a clear fetish
for undergarments. He was becoming infamousand known as the Tweed Creeper. However,
at this time, there was nota connection between the incidents happening in

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Ottawa and in Tweed. Not yetanyway. By two thousand and nine,
Russell's need to do more than steelunderwear and commit perverted sexual acts in the
rooms of the homes he burglarized finallycame to a boiling point. In September
of two thousand and nine, Russellwould break into the home of a sleeping
woman and her infant child. Russellwould beat this woman while her child slept,

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and repeatedly raped her over the courseof two hours. Within the same
month, he would commit a similarcrime while he was in Ottawa. During
both assaults, Russell would bind thewoman's hands and he would also take photos
of them throughout the duration of theattack. Two months later, in November

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of two thousand and nine, RussellWilliams would commit his first murder. He
would break into the home of anacquaintance named Marie Franz Como. The pair
had met on a flight that theywere both working on and briefly spoke to
one another. During this break in, Russell would brutally beat and rape Marie
Franz. She fought him as hardas she could, but eventually he would

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suffocate her to death by placing ducttape on her mouth and nose. At
the end of January in two thousandand ten, Russell would break into the
home of twenty seven year old JessicaLloyd. Similarly to his attack on Marie
Franz, Russell would beat and rapeJessica, but instead of leaving her in
her home, he would force herto come with him back to his home

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and Tweed. While in Tweed,Russell would continue to assault Jessica. She
tried to be as compliant as possiblein the hopes that he would release her.
He had covered her eyes with ducttape, so she had not seen
his face. Unfortunately, Russell hadother intentions. He would beat Jessica over
the head with a flashlight and thensuffocate her to death. He would leave

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her body in his garage at hishome and Tweed before heading to work for
the day, and then spending theweekend in Ottawa with his wife. When
he finally returned to his cottage andTweed, he would gather Jessica's body and
dump her in a wooded area.At this point, Russell is confident that
he will never be caught. Hehas gotten away with salacious crimes over numerous

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years, and now he had committedtwo murders with no end to his crimes
in sight. Thankfully, he waswrong about that. Jessica Lloyd's had not
been found, so her case wasconsidered a disappearance. The Ontario Provincial Police
or the OPP were doing everything intheir power to try and find Jessica.

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What they initially discovered by her housewere unique tire treads, so the OPP
put in place a canvas of anymotorist who used the highway by Jessica's home.
On February fourth, two ten,around six am, Russell Williams was
stopped while driving his Nissan Pathfinder,the same vehicle he used the knight of

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Jessica's abduction. During his stop,Russell tried to speed up the process by
saying he was on his way homedue to his young child being sick or
something along those lines. Whatever excusehe gave, it didn't matter. The
OPP noted that his tire treads wereunique and they matched the tracks found near
Jessica's home. His vehicle also matchedthe one scene by witnesses on the night

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Jessica was abducted. These facts gotthe opp's attention. Russell Williams would be
brought in for questioning on February seventh, two thou and ten. What you're
about to hear are excerpts from thatinterrogation with OPP Detective Sergeant Jim Smith.

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All Right, and again, um, like I said, this interview is
gonna be very thorough. But again, I have a simple rule when I
talk to people, it's I'm sureyou're the same way I treat everybody with
respect. I don't want to askyou if you do the same for me.
Um, So what we're gonna dois we're gonna start off by going
through what your rights are, Okay, just like everybody else. Okay,
UM, if ever been read yourrights before, I'm sure you've seen on

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TV you whole bunch of times.But that's usually the American version. So
I'll go with you briefly. Okay. Basically in Canada, as you know
I'm sure is we all have ourrights guaranteed under the Charter of Rights and
Freedoms. Okay, Now, Russell, just to avoid any confusion, because
people do get confused when they're talkingto you by the police, is that
you're obviously now under arrest here today. Okay. Anytime you feel you want

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to leave here, you feel freeto do so. The door's not locked,
Resoli, walking down to lobby anytimeyou want. Okay. If there's
anything that comes up on our interviewtoday, Russell, that that you feel
you want to talk to a lawyerabout. Um, you just you just
let me know, okay, Andthe reason for that is I want to
explain to you exactly what's going onhere, okay, Um, Jessica Lloyd

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is is one of four cases thatwe're currently investigating, okay. And essentially
what's happened is over the past aboutfour or five months, there have been
four occurrences that, like I said, that we're looking into. Two of
those occurrences occurred in September of twothousand and nine, and very briefly,

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they were up in the Tweed area. They involved somebody entering two different women's
houses in the evening hours and committingsexual acts. Okay. In November two
thousand and nine, young lady bythe name of Marie Franz Como, Yeah,

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was found murdered in your home andbright and we believe that there was
a sexual component to that crime aswell. And then most recently we have
Jessica Lloyd's disappearance. Okay. Soessentially, when you're looking at those kind
of crimes, we're looking at anumber of different potential criminal charges, all
right. We're looking at issues allthe way from the most serious one,

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which is first to re murder,kidnapping, sexual assault, break and enter
with intent to commit sexual assault,forcible confinement. Okay, And so what
I don't want to make sure youunderstand and who is what we're doing with
everybody've been talking to, is thatclearly, when we find out who's responsible
for one or all of those crimes, they could be charged with one or
all of those offenses. Okay,whether it's you or whether it's anybody else.

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Right, And that's why it's importantthat we make sure that people understand
what they have to do and whatthey don't have to do when they're talking
to us. Okay. So,as I said, before any point today
you feel the need you want tospeak to a lawyer, you let me
know and we can take you toa room where you can do that in
private. Okay. Do you haveyour own lawyer, a reality lawyer?

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Okay? All right, If atany point you want to make that call
and you don't know who to call, we have a phone list of lawyers
that are available to give you advicefree of charge, right over the phone.
Okay. So again, if atany point today you want to take
advantage of that, you just letme know. Is there any reason you
want to call a lawyer? Nowokay. A couple other fairly simple and
straightforward the things that you probably understand, but again we go over them to

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make sure everybody's clear. Is it. You don't have to speak to you
today, okay. And the reasonfor that is because the law considers me
to be what we refer to asa person in authority okay, probably similar
to what you may be considered tobe on the base. And because of
that, I can be compelled toappear before any judge in the country basically
to account for what takes place heretoday between you and I. Kay.

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And that's the reason why everything's recorded, because there can't be any more accurate
record than that, right. So, And the other thing I want to
make sure you understand is that youknow you mentioned a second ago about Miss
Coomo being one of your work associates. So I don't know what's happened since
November on the military side of things. But what we want to make people

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clear on is that if you havebeen spoken to by any person authority or
any police officer about any of thosecases, I don't want what they may
have said to you to make youfeel influence or compelled to say anything to
me. Today. Okay. Whateveryou might have felt the influence or compelled
to say to them earlier, youdon't have to repeat it to me,
and you don't have to say anythingfurther. Throughout the interrogation, Russell has

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his arms tightly crossed on his chest. The detective asks him about his whereabouts
during the night of Jessica Lloyd's disappearance. So, just getting back to these
four incidents that we're talking about,maybe you could just give me a little
bit of history as to uh,your arrival in the in the base in
Trenton, When did you start workingthere? Friday? On the day I

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was m Friday on the day Iwas at home most most of the day
I had a star a stomach foodokay in Ottawa or tweeting tweet and tweet
okay. Uh So with backtrack,then, so all day Friday you're at

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home and then what time do youleave to go to the base to sleep
there on the Friday night? UmM, I'm not sure. Probably just
you know, waiting for just beforebad They're probably that tweeted between eight and
nine or so, okay, umAnd you get to the base and spend

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the evening there and get up forthe five Yeah, okay, so we
backtracked from there. Um, youwhen did you arrive at your home at
the cottage? I wonder I wantto get confused between your home and Ottawa
and the home I have been inTweet a week? Yeah, the week
prior now, Um, yeah,I think that's the case. Didn't tweet

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a week? Flu? Saturday?Saturday? Okay? So um, if
you didn't have the stomach flu onthe Friday, what was your schedule that
day? Okay? Um? Whatwouldn't do my schedules just to standard schedule
in the office. Okay, sobrief in the morning A couple of weeks,

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I can't remember what okay, So, um, Thursday night you slept
at Tweet or you? Yeah?All right? And what did you Thursday?
During the day? Thursday? Duringthe day, I was at the
base. Again, Um, Ithink it was a very standard day.
I can't recall exactly, but yeah, it was not a fun So I

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was in the base, so Iwould have gone in early in the morning
back in the evening. Again,okay, do you remember what time you
left the base at mate? Idon't remember anything peculiar, so I would
say I don't know, probably sevento nine, somewhere in that range.

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That's when you left the base andwhat it was forty five minute transits,
forty five minutes home. Okay,okay, yeah, I'm not not going
to walk you through November, butI'm going to take you to a date
that's probably pretty fashion your mind.The day that that re Frons call Um,
do you remember how you found out? I was sent an email.

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Well, as soon as the offstaff in the base learned. Okay,
so I got an email. Ican't remember if it was late at night
or in the morning. It wascertainty I saw it. I wannestly first
thing in the morning because I hadjust come back from Ottawa. Authorities know
that Russell is involved in some way, but during the beginning of the interview,

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he remained firm that he did notknow Jessica Lloyd and had only met
Marie Franz once. Russell most likelywas confident that he would get away with
his crimes, so much though,that he willingly agreed to give up his
DNA and even his shoes to havethem molded for a print. What would
you be willing to give me todayto help me move past you in this

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investigation? What do you need?Well, would you be willing to supply
things like fingerprints, blood samples,things like that? Yeah, ok footwear
impressions, yeah, Okay. Onething that Russell asked the detective is that
he give him some discretion. Hedoesn't want people to know he is there

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and being questioned about these crimes.Can I assume you're going to be discreet?
It's possible, Yeah, because Ihave a very significant impact on the
basis well Bottle and Russell. That'sone of the reasons we're hearing a Sunday

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afternoon. The military certainly be agreat assistance to us, especially in a
relation to Miss Colwell's investigation. Sothat's certainly one of the things that went
into our decision to give you acall at home day and see if we
could deal with us today. DetectiveJim Smith keeps pushing Russell, asking him
if he has any relations to thevictims whatsoever. This is a significant investigation,

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as you can as as you canwell imagine um that that DNA is
going to be significant in our investigation, both you know, quite possibly to
help you, quite possibly to helpus. I don't know yet, I
don't know we resulted yet and I'llgo back to the example I gave you
because it's a very similar issue,I think. And you talked about the

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idea of discretion here. Okay,you talked about the idea that, um,
you know, I think hopefully youappreciate the fact of how we approach
you here and essentially we have noissues with that. Okay, we talked
recently about, you know, thewhole idea of any unusual sex acts of
your history. But another thing canoften happen in cases like this is the

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people become concerned about things like extramertal fears, indiscretions along those lines.
Is there any contact that you mayhave had with any of those for women
that you may not want your wifeto be aware of, anything like that

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that we should know about to tryand explain why if if your DNA is
found, it would help us understandwhy it may be. They're absolutely Can
you think of any reason, um, why we would find your DNA ana
of load residences? Let's let's focuson well, for instance, uh,
I believe, let me just checkthe name there and make sure about the

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right eyels. Talking about the house. It was just a couple of doors
down from you there and in tweetA couple of doors down, Lea.
I don't know her last name.I don't know Maskati. I don't even
know if your last name is.But there's the woman down the road,
three doors down. Her name isI would just make sure we're on the

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same page. Here my understanding.If she lived at the seventy six cozy
Cove. Yeah, so she wouldbe the one, the second one,
the second incident on your on yourroad. There a couple of doors down.
I've ever been in your house.No, we met her once.

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I think the first summer. Youwere okay. And that's what I'm getting
at. I again, this isa credibility issue right now, because I
don't want to come and see youtwo weeks from now and say, you
know rust our CSI people in thathouse, and are you familiar with Holsey

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DNA works? I think broadly yes. Um. One of the challenges we
have in two thousand and ten withDNAs has become so precise that I guess
the best way to explain it is, I can think about fifteen years ago
when I started in violent crime investigation. For us to get a DNA match,

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the sample we had to find was, you know, probably filled half
of one of these cups, youknow, because they destroy so much of
the sample in the in the testing. Essentially, DNA has become more and
more precise, to the point wherewhen you and I walked in this room
earlier today, we could have satdown, talked for thirty seconds, walked

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out. CSI officer could have comein three or four days from now done
some swabs here, and he wouldhave found your DNA and my DNA and
probably a lot of other people's DNA. Sure, a little bit girls to
think about, but essentially, uh, you know, as we talk,
when you know a little bit aspiratecomes out of our moment, that that
contains our DNA, or bloods ourskin cells contain our DNA. And that's

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what I'm getting on. If youwere ever in Laurie's residence, quite possibly
quite innotiently, your DNA could bein that residence. Has there ever been
a time you've been in there?Okay? Um, what about the other
lady down the road on I hadn'teven heard that name, so no,
I don't, I don't actually knowthat was Okay. Have you ever visited

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Ree France Como with her residence?Okay, all right. Um, so
you're quite positive there will be noreason why your DNA would be any of
those three locations. Okay, Um, did you know Jessica Lloyd even in
passing for any reason? No,I didn't hurt hear her name. So
it was on the news. Andthe reason I'm asking that is because I

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know you were asked that question onThursday night. And sometimes what we find
and again, this is one ofthose situations that can sometimes cause us to
get in a lengthy investigation in somebodythat maybe doesn't deserve it. But what
can happen sometimes is they, youknow, somebody get stopped by the police
like you did, and they getasked that question and people want to stop

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by the police. That can benervous. Okay um, So they blurted
out an answer and then they startdriving away and they why do I do
that? Because the problem is isit once they get asked again, then
they feel compelled to me tain thatanswer for fear that if they change their
answers, somebody could find it.You understand what I'm saying. I do.
Okay, So I want to makesure that's not happening here. I

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don't care what you said to theofficers on Thursday night and last week.
If there's any communication or contact betweenyou and Jessica Lloyd, have you've seen
her picture right right now? Everseen her before? I Smith does his

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best to try and establish a timelinethat will clear Russell's name. He attempts
to determine his whereabouts by inquiring aboutRussell's swipe card on the base, among
other things. I think you weretalking about the whole idea of the MP's
helping us with our investigations. Sobodyis you have the same system as we
do with our headquarters with the swipecards. One of the things one of

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our investigators is they made a callwhile I was talking to you there because
we were trying to work through thatweek of the twenty three November twenty three
b in the Monday twenty fourth beingthe Tuesday. UM. What they've what
they've told us is that I wantto make sure you get this right,
is that on the twenty third,your sweite card was being used at the

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base. Okay, Okay. OnTuesday twenty fourth there was no use of
your swept card okay. And thenon the following days the Wednesday, Thursday,
Friday, UM, there was whatappeared to be average activity of your
swept Kerma base. Does that makesense to you? It does? That
says that I was in Autawa onthe Tuesday. Okay. Do you remember
where in Ottawa you work? Yeah? I was in Gatino, as I

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said, meeting about the C seventeen. Okay. Um, Now again I
want to be fair here, Butgoing back two months, are you sure
that would have been the day youwere in Ottawa? Well, only because
I wasn't with the base, Okay. So I can't remember honestly that that's

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the day I had the meeting inOttawa. But if I wasn't at the
base, it was because I washere. Okay. Now, if that
is the day I had a meetingin Ottawa, m do you remember being
at the base on the Monday thetwenty third and swiping your card in an
out Do you remember what you wouldhave done that evening to get too Outawa
for that meeting? Like, wouldit be I drove to Ottawa in the

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morning of the day of my meeting, So if it was the Tuesday,
then I would have left tweet.It was a very foggy morning, Okay,
that morning I drove in that morningOkay. So I would not have
been at the base the day Iwas in because the meeting started. Okay,
so you leave the base, youwould have went home to your residence

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and tweet, and then you lefttweet in the morning and drove up to
your meeting in Ottawa. Okay,Um, you leave the meeting in Ottawa.
Is a daytime meeting and eating meetingor do you remember it was a
daytime meeting finished afternoon or Okay?We had lunch and then finished. I
think my wife and I had dinnerbecause she was here for working. Then

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I handed back. Okay. Um, well that's these are the kind of
things I'm trying to draw out herethat's helpful to us. Um. Do
you remember where you had dinner?Uh? Well, I don't remember exactly
the restaurant, but it was inWestboro because that's where our house was being
built at the time. So wehad dinner, you know, in a
restaurant that we would expect to beable to frequent. Okay, remember how

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you paid one of us was paidby master cry. Okay, are you
sure about that? Or I'm prettysure that's normally how we paid for me.
All right. I can't remember ifit was me or my wife.
They paid that one of us.Okay, And do you remember which restaurant
it was? Again? All right? And you see what I'm getting at,
right? I mean that can bevery helpful for us, because if

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we can track that issue, right, we can we can put somebody paying
for a meal at a location Iwas meeting with, you know, fifteen
people, so that day, sookay, what time did the meeting end?
I would say between three and four? Okay? And are you sure
that that's the same day you wentup with your wife? Well? I

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think so because she was here andI think that was the day we went
to this restaurant and Westbury Okay.Um, you finished dinner? And do
you remember what you did that evening? I? Okay? And you would
have Now again, I know we'retalking two months ago here, but do

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you remember specifically having dinner and thendriving back to Tweet or do you remember?
Are you just guessing here? No, I'm not really guessing. I
mean I believe that this night atthis restaurant was following the meetings in Ottawa.
What Russell doesn't realize, and itis one of the reasons as to

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why he is being questions is becausehis pathfinder was seen driving off road near
Jessica's house. When asked if thiswas him, he said no. Despite
this, the detective doesn't lie tohim and tells Russell that a lot of
the evidence is pointing back to him. I told you when I came in
here that I'm now treat you withrespect, and I've asked you to do

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the same for me. We talkedabout the whole idea of how we've approached
you here, okay, trying tobe as just weird as possible. Okay.
But the problem is, Russell,is every time I walk out of
this room, there's another issue thatcomes up. Okay. And it's not
issues that point away from you.It's issues to point at you, Okay,

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And I want to I want youto see what I mean. All
Right. This is the footwear impressionof a person who approached the rear of
Jessica Lloyd's house on the evening ofthe twenty eight and twenty ninth of January.

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Okay, all right, Now,I want you to keep in mind
that this is slightly smaller, okayin scale. Okay, okay, all
right, that's not to scale.That's the footwear is absolutely bigger. If
you look here on the ruler,you'll see that one inch is just slightly
smaller than an actual inch. Okay, but this is the way of prints
off on the computer. Move thisover so you can see what I mean.

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All right. Essentially, when you'redealing with footwear impressions, we have
a gentleman on the opp who's basicallyworld renowned. His name is John Norman.
And essentially with footwear impressions, you'rein a situation where you're you're pretty
much in the area of a fingerprints. Okay, And essentially what we're talking

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about here is especially when you startadding in other pieces of information that support
an investigative position. Okay, thisis a photo copy of the boot that
you took off your foot just alittle while ago. Okay, Now I'm

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not an expert in footwear impressions,so I rely on the experts. Footwear
impressions are very much like like fingerprintcomparisons. Okay, you take a look
at this print, and again,this is one print this person walked through.
There's several different prints to compare,So we're gonna get features off a
one print to compare features off anotherprint, to compare these are identical.

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Your vehicle drove up the side ofJessica Lloyd's house, Your boots walked to
the back of Jessica Lloyd's house onthe evening of the twenty eighth and twenty
ninth of January. You want discretion. We need to have some honesty,
okay, because this is this isgetting out of control really fast, rustle,

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really really fast. This is gettingbeyond my control, all right.

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I came in here a few hoursago and I called you the way I
called you to day because I wantedto give you the benefit doubt. But
you and I both know you're atJessica Lloyd's house, and I need to
know why. When presented with aplethora of evidence against him, Russell has
stumped into silence. You can seehim trying to remain stoic, but he's

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working out what to do in hishead. At this point in the interrogation,
Detective Smith lets Russell know that asearch warrant has been issued to look
into his home, but more importantly, his wife is now aware of what's
going on with him. Detective JimSmith is outstanding during this questioning. He
knows exactly how to work Russell withoutspooking him into silence or luryering up.

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He gently needs on the fact thatRussell clearly loves control, and he works
that treat against him. He presentsRussell with the option to confess to his
crimes. Russell, sitting there,still silently, staring at the floor with
his arms crossed, has very fewoptions at this point. You know there's

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only one option. Do you doyou what other option is there? What's
the option? Well, I don'tthink you want the cold blooded psychopath option.
I might be wrong, because Idon't get me wrong. I've met

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guys who actually kind of enjoyed thenotoriety, got off on it, got
off on having that label. BernardoBM, I don't see that new.
If I saw that new, Iwouldn't be back. And you're talking to
you quite frankly. But maybe I'mwrong. Maybe you got me fooled.

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I don't know. This is over, and it can have a a bad
ending where Jessica's parents continue to wonderwhere her daughter's lying. I don't know.

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I mean, obviously there's a hugesearch still underway, and it'll continue,
it'll continue until her body's found.That might even happen tonight for all
I know. Again, the detectivepushes him and asks him what is he
going to do. Russell remains silentfor a time and repeatedly sighs before his

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saying, you can just call meRuss Russy. Maybe this is what help.
Can you tell me what the issueis you're struggling with. Russell goes
on to explain that his main concernis what this whole situation is going to
do to his wife and what they'regoing to do to the house. He

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doesn't want detectives to destroy the houselooking for evidence, because the one in
Ottawa is his wife's dream home.He wants to keep it that way.
The detectives begin to talk to himabout what evidence they're going to find and
how easily they will be able torecover things that may have been deleted from
things like computers or hard drives,as d cards on cameras. At this

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notion, Russell begins to feverishly rubhis forehead in distress. He states again
how he wants to minimize the impactfact this whole thing has on his wife,
to which the detective asks him totell him where Jessica's body is.
So, what am I doing?Rust? I put my best foot forward

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here for you, But I reallyhaven't. I don't know what else to
do to make you understand the impactof what's happening here. Did we talk

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M minimize the impact on my wife? So do I? So we do
that. Let start by telling thetruth. Okay, Sorr? Is she?

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Oh? I don't know? Um? Is she close to where she
lives? I've got maps of thatgeneral area? Which town is she here?
Why don't we start there? I'mnot sure if you give me a

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map, but it covers you alreadythe highway and order to tweet, and
so I'll show it. Let mesee what I got here. I might
have something. Is she inside outside? Mm hmmm, it's probably the biggest

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area I have there for us anymore? We need a real man. So
where am I going on on hereto get to her? Its black here?
Okay? So you're pointing to whereshe is? Okay? She close
to a road? All right?Um? Is it something? Where is

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she? Is she buried? Orshe somewhere where if you walk there you
would you would rearely easily see hergets here? Okay? So she's self
the seven h east of Tweed,west of forty one, And what's this
road here. I'm not sure eithermine. Okay, I'll be right back.

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Okay, do you any water oranything? Sure? Okay, I'm
pretty bad. How long has shebeen there? For? Over a week?
Was it fairly quick? From thetime she left Friday night? Russell

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shows the detective on multiple maps whereher body is located, and then begins
to describe what happened to Jessica onthe night of her kidnapping and murder.
What do you want to talk about? What are you open right? What
do you want to know? Well? Do you want to work forwards or

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backwards? Because why do we startwith Jessica? How does that start for
you? Um? I saw herin her house on her tread not Wednesday

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nnies, and I noticed she wasn'tthere Thursday. So I got into the
house look around then and they left. I notice she'd come home, So

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I went back in through the backpatio door while she was sleeping. M

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hm. So I woke her up. I didn't I can hear her?
She don't want to hear once Fridaynight? Okay, Well, so I

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raped her in her house and thenI took her to the car and took
her to tweet m and spend theday in tweet and then I hit her

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as we were walking. She thoughtwe were leaving, hit her in the
back of the head. Okay.He then begins to describe the murder of

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Marie France. There was an openwindow in the basement of her house and
she was awaiting. I went inthere a couple of nights before she came
home around I went back in therelate at night when she was at home.

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She was on the phone in herbedroom. She actually discovered me in
the basement. She was trying toget her cat to come upstairs, and
the cat was in the basement thatsee me and was succeeded on me in

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the corner. She couldn't get thecat up, so she came downstairs trying
to get the cat. And I'mnot more sure why she came over to
me. I guess the cat wasstaring at me, and she was wondering
where the cat was staring at oncerun MH. So when she spotted me,

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I am, I had the sameflashlight. I subdued her, tied
her up upstairs, and strangled herlater in the morning or suffocated her.

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H's some tape after them. MHow do you subdue her. And when
you say subdued her in the basement, would you do, well, I

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have the same flashlight, and youknow she she saw me right away.
So it's just I hit her acouple of times round her head, try
and knock her out. Didn't,but she was bleeding a little bit.

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Eventually Drew struggled subdued any blood fromfrom that struggle? No, not not
a whole bunch, but a flashlightdid break her skin a couple of times.

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Okay, what area of the basementdid that take place in? I
was hiding behind the furnace, soshe spotted me right there. Okay,
she recognized Now I had stuff onmy face. Um, so you go

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upstairs and you said she suffocated,Well, I suffocate her. Put tape
on her. I put tape onher mouth, and then I put tape
on her nose. How that thereso she couldn't breathe? Um? What

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kind of tape was it? Whathappened to it? M uh with me?
And I can't I can't remember whatactually I did with that tape,

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but probably through the did you justtape for any other purposes? Yeah?
Okay? Um, did she everrecognize you through this? Whole episode.

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What did you say, your haton your face? I just to cover
it from my head, just toyou know, sports pull over tape,
just a little cap kind of okay, you know, whacker or something,

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and they just had band over careermost everything. Put my eyes. Um,
and this flashlight? Where is thatnow? In thuse? What kind

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of flashla is? It's a redthree w D sure my branded his bets
and that old you know these women, it's like a big mh. Brandon,

(57:42):
very crafty woman flush lights already stillas a big um. Did you
take anything out of Marie France's houseor Jessica Lloyd's house? Uh? Yeah,
some other underwear? Okay. Afterhearing the details of how Russell committed

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the crimes, the detective asked thequestion that was most likely on everyone's mind.
Why did he kill them? Letme let me ask you this.
Did you like or dislike these women? I didn't know anything? Okay?
How you found that one time?In that in her airplane? Okay,

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I guess, I guess from Yeah, when you're going through these things,
um, are you? Well?Let me let's talk about Jessica, because
she was there with you for thewhole day, right, what kind of
feelings were you were experiencing while youwere with her that day? M hm?

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Oh she was a fresh friend.I can't tell me why you killed
her, right, do you knowwhy you killed her? Well? I
think I killed her because I knewthat her story would be recognized, Her

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story would be recognized. How doyou mean, wow, because she knew
I was taking pictures? Mhmm.So because of the two yeah stories and

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tweet that would have been a fairlyyeah. I'm quite obvious. So if
you didn't take pictures, what wouldyou have done with her? I don't

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know. I mean she's at yourhouse, right, Um, well,
let let me ask you this isit? Two lived, right and two
died? What's what was the differencein your mind between wow? The the

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attention the first two? God,m was very much focused on obviously for
for all these reasons pictures I took, so anybody else telling stories about pictures?

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Right? What I mean from thestreet line. But when when this
thing happened with Marie Franz, itwas was did you believe that you were
already a suspect for what happened intweet? So what what were you concerned

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about? Well? Because I waspretty sure that you know, she was
serving military, right, I wouldhave been, but it would have been

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difficult for investigators to ignore that connection. Okay, it makes sense. Um,
let's go back to Jessica then,okay, Um, you see her

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on the Wednesday night? Okay,on I treadmill. How do you see
hear? Here was in the basement? I do wide open? So drop
by? Okay? Did you stopto look at the house or how does

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that catch your eyes? You driveby? I was looking to see who
who's where? I don't know thatVerria very well, so I was just
keeping my eyes open. Okay.During this part of the interview, Russell
goes into detail about the rape ofJessica Lloyd, but some things are better

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left unheard. During the last stretchof the interview, Russell speaks more on
the murder of Marie Franz. So, Marie Frantz, when did when did
her first to Curredia to go toher house? Uh? Probably on October?

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Remember, not quite true some ofthat time. And do you really
remember why that you thought too?Um? Did do that? M h

(01:04:01):
uh? Well, you know shehad said she lived on the one time
I met her. Mm hmm.Yeah, um, just trying why her

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versus you know, the dozens ofother women you probably come across on a
daily basis. I don't know.Yeah, yeah, I went up there

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when she wasn't home, just tosee where she lived. M When did
you do that a couple of monthsbefore? How did you know your address?
Right? Is there on the rolefor the basement? Okay, So

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when you go out there a coupleof nights before, you remember what night
that was you were there first time? I don't, but it was within
two or three nights I think.Okay, well in more than four and
something like that. And did youactually go into her house on that occasion

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or did you? Okay, sowhat happened that night? How did you
How did you get into her houseon the side of the basement side when
okay, just a backstep a bit. How did you get to her house
that that first night you went there? I drove what did you drive?

(01:06:00):
H h good, drove my truckkind of find her. Do you remember
where you parked it? Yeah?I parked it a division in the residential
areas. Harry parked it on anotherside six seven hundreds away okay, so

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not on her street, on differentstreet. You remember what street you parked
on, but it's actually might bethe same street, but there's an interruption
in the street where there's a constructionzone. There's a pathway in between,
so I think it's probably the samestreet. Okay. So you go to
her house and when you went therethat night, did you know that she

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was away? I'm not sure ifI knew entirely, but I think I
thought she'd go away. Okay.Is that based on her schedule or I
would I would you? Well,my, yeah, because I fly with

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the scholater and I have access tothe schedule, and what could I say?
It slightly different schedules. But that'sprobably you don't know for sure.
I think that's probably how I am. Okay, So you go to our
house and what do you do thatnight? The first night? I looked

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around and I'm sure that she wasliving there around and I'm sorry, did
you say I can't remember if yousaid, how did you get in?
Same same way? Side basement sidebasement window? Do you remember what kind

(01:07:56):
of window it is? Like?What made it? Uh? Well,
I just flash I see that itwas not a lot to have been opened
slightly, So I don't remember thescreens that are open whenning. Okay,
So you go in and you're inher house figuring out she lives along?
And do you do anything that night? Yeah? I was playing with her

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kind of war you mean playing withher her wearing? Okay, doing anything
else? I didn't touch her stuff. What do you mean you didn't touch

(01:08:59):
her stuff? I mean you touchher underwhere? But yeah, anything else?
Did you take any of the underwearwith you that night? Yeah?
A few pieces. Where did youfind the underwhere when you win it?
True? Because it clean? Wasit used for clean? Um? Anything

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else? You can remember doing thatevening? You? M all right?
So? Um? After that firstvisit, did you return again before meeting
up with her? So which daydid you go to her house when she

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was there? Well, the nightbefore I went out a while, so
I think that was my Yeah,all right, So let's walk through that.
What time do you think you gotthere? About eleven or so?

(01:10:13):
Probably ten three eleven? Okay?So she was on the phone in her
room. I could hear that fromthe backyard. I got in through the
side window, the same basement window. How could you hear from the backyard?

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What was just hear her on thephone from beside the house, hear
through the walls that she was onthe phone. Okay, any idea who
she was talking to or what shewas talking about here? That one?
Okay? So you go in throughthe basic window and what are you wear
it? And this is happening?Mm hmm. Let's sweatshirt, doctors,

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I guess. And the two pieceson my head? Where are those two
pieces now, pieces that you wereon the head, they're probably in my
bag and my luggage banging edison inthe bedroom. What does your luggage bank

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look like? That's blue Deffel bagtype of thing beside the bad They're the
only blue Duffel bag in your bedroom? Um? And these pieces, what
do they look like? Again?It's a blue head band now, okay,
standard blue winter hid been and blackskull cap than any insignias or anything

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on them? Yeah, there,but I don't know what they're. The
blue hipben has something stands up stitchedin the name of some sort of stitched
on it, and the skull caphas some sort of emblem on the white
amblom on the blackness. Are theylike sports emblems or company emblems or it's

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the manufacturers? Okay? Anything else? In that blue Duffel bay. Is
it full of of things? Others? Okay? Um? Do you go

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in? Uh? Remember what youhad on your feet in the house there
any way to Marie France's house side, probably runing shoes. It wasn't snow
on the ground. So you goin and you're in the basement and whereabouts

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in the basement right by the furnace. Okay, and what are you doing?
What's what's your what's your sort ofplan? At that point I was
waiting for a little bit, okay, And how long did that take?

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Well? She didn't, so thenshe came out of looking for the cat?
All right? And what happens next? Unless it described subdued her ge
a flashlight? H good? Essentiallyrustle her to the ground and tire up?

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What did you use? The tireup? Same rope, green rope?
It's a tweet? Is it justa grain? Or like? How
long does this piece of rope?It's probably twenty feet. It's a boot
boat rope. It's good. Somered specks and out of them the for

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lots of ropes and tweet or isthis probably the only rope? H?
No? This there are two months, two lengths of the same green rope
and where they both used. Well, I I only ever had one with
me, so I don't know ifI was the same piece both times or

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not, but only two d okay, So you tire tire up? How
did you tie her up when youobviously do that? Okay? And what
is she wearing at that point?She wasn't wearing anything to start with it?
So when she came down to thebasement, she had no clothes on.

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She had some sort of a shawleror her shoulder. Okay. She
immediately dropped when she's hug Did shesay anything? When she saw she did?
She called out, you bastard?Okay? And then what happened?

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Then? I subdue by hitting herwith that red flashlight okay. Oh they
were or glancing lands and blows cuther skin, but weren't doing my chelsea.
She fell over in the nice shetripped. How did you tie her

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at that point? Like? Iknow you used the rope by boy?
What did you tie her out?Like? Just put her put her pull
her hands behind her back and justtie her miss together? Okay? And
then what happened after that? ThenI took her upstairs? Did she go

(01:16:38):
upstairs under her own power. Didyou carry her? No? She passed
out to on the stairs, andthen I carried her up. Why do
you think she passed out? Iexpect from the h's true? So she

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carried up to where? And thenwhat happened from the bed true period of

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time. During the trial, moredetails of Russell Williams's crimes were revealed due
to the fact that Russell had videotapedlarge chunks of his time with Jessica and
Marie Franz. Some of the detailsreferred to the extent of the sexual assaults
and the coldness Russell showed both ofthe women he murdered. Marie Frantz brutally

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fought back against Russell. She calledhim a bastard and was not going to
go quietly into the night while hedid what he planned on doing. Unfortunately,
Russell was just able to overpower herafter he got the jump on her.
Marie Franz would state towards the endof the attack, You're going to
kill me, aren't you have aheart? I don't want to die,

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I don't deserve to die. Ihave been good. Clearly, Russell Williams
had no heart. During Jessica Lloyd'sabduction, she would have a seizure,
something that she was prone to duringhigh stress situations. During the seizure,
she begged for him to take herto the hospital because she thought she was

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going to die, but Russell refused. Before Russell killed her, Jessica would
say, if I die, willyou make sure my mom knows I love
her. Russell then proceeded to killher. The fact that Russell documented so
much of his crimes made it easyfor authorities to link him to multiple burglaries,

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as well as the murders of MarieFranz and Jessica Lloyd. In October
of two thousand and ten, RussellWilliams would plead guilty to all charges against
him. He was charged with twocounts of first degree murder, two counts
of sexual assault, two counts offorcible confinement, and eighty two counts of
break ins and attempted break ins.On October twenty first, two thousand and

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ten, Colonel Russell Williams was sentencedto two life terms with no chance of
pearl for twenty five years for themurders of Marie France Como and Jessica Lloyd.
He was also sentenced to an additionaleighty two years, one year for
each of his other charges. Duringthe final proceedings, Williams was given the

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opportunity to address the court and thepublic. He said, Your Honor,
I stand before you indescribably ashamed.I know the crimes I have committed have
traumatized many people. The family andfriends of Re France and Jessica in particular,
have suffered and continue to suffer profound, desperate pain and sorrow as a

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result of what I've done. Numerousvictims of the brake and enters I have
committed have been seriously distressed as aresult of my having so invaded their most
intimate privacy. My family, yourhonor has been irreparably damaged. The understandable
hatred that was expressed yesterday and thathas been palpable throughout the week, has

(01:20:28):
me recognized that most will find itimpossible to accept. But the fact is
I deeply regret what I have doneand the harm I know I have caused
to many. I committed despicable crimes, your Honor, and in the process
portrayed my family, my friends andcolleagues, and the Canadian forces. After
the trial, Russell Williams's wife,Mary Elizabeth, filed for divorce. She

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has never made a public statement inregards to the actions of her husband and
has maintained that she knew nothing aboutthe crimes he was committing. Russell would
also reach out of court financial settlementswith members of his victims families for undisclosed
amounts. The Canadian forces would denounceRussell Williams in every way that they could,

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and rightfully so. They would burnhis military uniform and strip him of
his rank of colonel. However,he is still legally entitled to receive his
military pension. Russell Williams was adifferent breed of deviant. It can be
assumed that if he was not foundout for what he was, he would
never have stopped. His thirst forcontrol, power and sexual perversion was not

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something he could ever quench. Andhe is exactly where he belongs, away
from the world and those he couldhurt. Russell Williams, a Jecklin hide,
if there ever was one, isliving out the remainder of his days
at a maximum security prison in Quebec. I dislike to say that it's good

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that justice has done for Jessica,for Marie France, for the two victims
and tweet and for all the victimsof his breaking editors and I'm glad it's
over. We're just all thankful thatit is over and we can maybe now
start to get on with our lives. Thank you for listening to this episode

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Himalaya Plus. Again, thank you, so much for listening to the show
and for your support in telling thesestories. Until next time. We've said
it earlier this week. All committeesare stunned by the tragic events that led
to the condition of Russell Willis.The members of the Game Forces felled into

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the court. It is support toacknowledge that diligent police work ended his terrible
pattern violence, and we the GameForces want the express our gratitude to the
police forces involved. With the conditionconfirmed by the court, the Game Forces
are now able to kick action,including the proper place of Russell Williams from
the Armed forces determination and ball backeris paid from the data, arrest,

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the rule of his medals and allother measures available to us. To be
clear, it will not be aseparate military court martial as to being blow
clearly states that there cannot be twotrials with the same crime. I also
wish to point out that under thesuperabuation end there are no brows to revoke

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his pension, and then a courtmartial will not have any impact on these
a crude benefits. I spent thismorning here meeting with personnel of eight Wing
and with members of the vocal communitiesin the face of the statement of facts
read in court and widely reported bythe media. All of us will reflect,
in part reflecting on the events thathave taken place and are having trouble

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finding the right words express our feeling. The end of this trial and yet
becoming sentencing will allow us military handcivilians alike to have a form of closure
and to know or to now beginto focus on the aid. We recognized
the need to come together and yieldas a community. We are doing everything

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we can to us as those inneed of counseling or other support. In
fact, we urged anyone who isfeeling upset or concerned to seek assistance and
to talk about their emotions. Fromwhat I've seen today at eight Win,
while the our morale and says Comedianshave been shaken, we remained steadfast in
our commitment to defending Canada and Canadians. I'm so proud of the personality at

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eight Way facing the ordeal. Theyresponded superbly by focusing on the operational mission
at hand and by redoubling effort andintensity. All the other Air Force wings
across the country look to them asan example of determination. While doing so,
we will not forget Madie Frans Cobo, Jessica Lloyd, and the other

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victims and their families. They willremain in our thoughts and prayers forever