Takeaways and Reactions to the Buffalo Sabres End of Season Press Conference - Sabres Semantics - The Armchair GM's Sports Network

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end of season press conference for the Buffalo Sabers, but
with Kevin Adams, general manager and head coach, Lindy Ruff,
We're gonna get our thoughts on the pressor itself. You know,
interesting moments that we thought that they talked about. Obviously,
the Sabers missing out on the playoffs for a four
fourteenth straight NHL season and heading into another important offseason.

(02:04):
Sort of what the outlook is after what our Lindy
Rough and Kevin Adams, the guys that are going to
be leading the team into the future, We'll have to
wait and see. But again, this is just initial reactions
to the end of season press conference and some of
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so Austin. Again, the press conference just ended about a
half hour ago at the time of recording this interesting.
I guess thoughts from Kevin Adams nothing completely new from
what we've already heard from him after the trade deadline
or after that emergency press conference early in the in

(02:46):
the year and after the thirteen game losing streak. Obviously,
Sabers missouta in the playoffs, that's you know, Number one,
they did play better down the stretch, but again, fourteenth
straight season as well as they played, you know in
those last one of your so games, it's not gonna
get it done, and it's not gonna be good enough
for the fan base. And uh, you know, we'll hear
from the comments from Lindy Ruff and Kevin Adams as well,

(03:08):
but uh, you know, I guess I'll just open it
up to you on your thoughts on everything.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, So I will say the first thing that jumped
off the page to me was a lot more somber
of a tone from Kevin Adams, and I think we're
used to hearing when he talks now. I don't know
if it's It could be a number of things, right.
It could be the weight finally starting to take the
toll on him, right because he's now had his you know,

(03:34):
five to six year hand in this. You know that's
thirty three, that's the third of the drought is now
solely he's solely responsible for. I don't know if that's
because the last time he showed emotion and impressed briefing,
it came back to bite him in the butt with
the whole palm trees thing. I don't know if it's
I don't know what it is, but he definitely did
not show the same emotion sound like a guy for

(03:58):
the not for the first time, because I think you know,
but he sounded like a guy who is out of
answers right, like you said yourself. The substance there was
a few things worth noting here and there, but the
substance of what we heard from him today really has
not changed. I need to be better. We need to
be better. Yeah, you know, cool, You've needed to be

(04:23):
better since you took over the rebuild quote unquote. It's
now the third straight season of where it was, When now?
When now? And you know you can see he said
it himself. Words don't really mean anything, which is true.
It's very true. The words don't mean anything. Actions mean something.
But it's now been three years of we need to
win now and get into the playoffs, where his actions
have not been in lockstep with the message that he's sending.

(04:47):
Right three years ago, they missed the playoffs by one point,
and to an extent, don't blame him for banking on
internal growth came back bit him in the butt. You know.
Last year, Gernado's last year. Jack Quinn's hurt tears his
achilles in the offseason, we know he's out until at
least December January. At the time Quinn was penciled in

(05:09):
as a top six, there's a gaping hole in the
top six. He just didn't address it this year that
top six was still needed, went out and signed a
veteran forward and Jason Zucker remade the bottom six, and
you know, Zuker turned out to be really good. He's
gonna be here for a couple more years. He got McLeod. McLeod,
he is an RFA who sounds like you know, he
said he's open to a long term deal, which should

(05:31):
be a slam dunk in my opinion. Zack, Benson and
Cool each grew into those top six roles, but he
didn't really address the top six and heading into the season,
and then failed to address it again in the midst
of a thirteen game losing streak, and it finally wasn't
until the trade deadline where he traded Dylan Cousins for
Josh Norris and Jacob Bernard Docker And you know, we'll

(05:52):
get into that probably at a different time, but we
still don't know what Norris is going to bring to
this team, but I guess that's looking like the Top
six edition they're going to sell for this team, which
is fine, but it's just man like, at some point,
what are we doing here with this guy still being
in charge.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
They were twelve points out of the playoffs this season
Austin behind the Montreal Canadians, who were very pleasant surprise
was a team that was supposed to be, you know,
continuing their rebuild and they ended up making the playoffs. Buffalo,
all they had to do was not lose thirteen games
in a row, and they would have been right in
this thing when you look at it, if they get
half of those points, they're right around that ninety one

(06:33):
points that they would have needed to get in that
final playoff spot that New Jersey and Montreal you know,
basically held at the end of it when it was
all said and done. But you know, just way too inconsistent.
We're going to get into the presser here very shortly,
but yeah, just leaves another saltation in your mouth because
down the stretch they went twelve eight and one after

(06:53):
the trade deadline, and they had a five game winning
streak in that during that time. James Reimer played eleven
of the games. Upo played ten and actually played pretty decent.
We saw the team improve in a lot of areas,
but we did see when they lost they got blown
out because again their goal differential was sixty nine to

(07:13):
four to seventy three against in those games where they
win twelve, eight and one. So it was more times
than not when they lost they lost big and more
and more of those games. But there were, you know,
stretches like that five game winning streak looked good and
then they would have a really good game and then
they'd lose to like the Philadelphia Flyers and you were
wondering what the heck happened? Score eight against Washington Capitals

(07:35):
was another one that jumped off at the page to me.
I know, you know, they lost four of their last
five to end the season, but when you look at it,
they did play better down the stretch and you did
see things improve. But you know, at what cost, right,
because there will be the part of the fan base
that said they should have just you know, tanked and
got another top lottery pick, which they've done multiple times

(07:55):
in the last fourteen years, or the other crowd that says,
give them some momentum and make sure the culture is
in a right place, ending the season on a high
note and giving them some momentum going into next season.
So you know, whether you're on either side of that
fence or you're in the middle somewhere, I really don't think,
you know, getting a top four lottery pick was something

(08:16):
that they wanted to do, given the amount of times
that they've kind of done that. I think they wanted
to play better down the stretch. But again it was
just a little too little, too late.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, the draft pick thing is is I don't necessarily
think there's a wrong side to be on. I'm on
the side where I could care less about their draft pick,
mostly because in my brain, and I know this sounds dumb,
but in my brain, they they're not a good team.
Let's be honest, They're not a good team. But to me,
they were never they were never. They're not a bad
enough hockey team where they belonged in that bottom three four.

(08:46):
The thirteen game losing streak forced them into that neighborhood. Obviously,
and you are what your record says you are. But
I just think on paper they are a below average team.
But to me, they weren't. They weren't with the the
same nose A's of the world. So that's why I
was like, I could not care less about the draft pick. Like,
I know you don't necessarily get good packages for top

(09:09):
ten picks, but in my brain that draft picks should
merely be an asset to try and help improve their team.
I've thought that last year, and I think that again
this year, even more so because yeah, what are we
doing here with another draft pick, Like we already got,
you know, tons of young talent that we don't know
exactly what they're gonna be, but they save the Savers

(09:31):
don't need young talent. They haven't needed to add elite
young talent. They needed more veteran forwards. They need more
you know, veteran on veterans on d they need like
another Jason Zuker would have been nice this this offseason.
But again when we talk about the off season on
a different episode, probably, but to me, it's just they
weren't that bad, but they're also just not good, So

(09:52):
like this is kind of they are what they are.
Kevin Adams, I guess we'll get into it. I don't
if he is the GM next year. It seems like
he's probably gonna be, but according to that press conference,
it's not one hundred percent, which I thought was interesting.
That might have been the one of the more interesting
tidbits I think from that presser was he still has
to talk to Terry Pagoula. He said, Terry's gonna have

(10:13):
some tough questions and we'll see what comes to that,
you know, Coupled with the Elliott Friedman thing saying he
heard there's going to be some changes in the Sabers
front office, didn't necessarily say that would involve Kevin Adams,
but did say he wonders if there's a potential title
change for Kevin Adams and if that's you know, Kevin
somehow failing upward to a bigger role or a bigger

(10:34):
title and a real hockey GM comes in place. To me,
that's the best case scenario. Don't not gonna hold my
breath though on that from because all indications are Kevin
Adams will be here next year. It's time to I mean,
for the second straight year it's put up or shut up,
and he's hasn't really been putting up.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, I mean, that's one way to put a dice
for sure, we'll get into the presser, I guess with again,
I'm just gonna kind of read off quotes and Austin's
going to react to them. Again, we listened to i'd
say seventy five to eighty percent of what Kevin Adams
and Lindy Ruff said, So there wasn't anything that was
really earth shattering, but some quotes that I that I

(11:15):
wrote down that I'll just kind of go through quickly
here for you guys that didn't catch the press conference
in Austin will kind of talk about what he thinks
of what these means. So first off, Adams talked for
the first five or ten minutes of this thing before
Lindy Ruff was asked a question. So it was more
of a of a lot of Kevin Adams with a

(11:36):
sprinkle of Lindy Rouff. But I'll let you guys know
if it was Lindy Rouff quote or not. So Kevin
Adams first started off with culture is not is earned
in your daily habits. Players have to look in the
mirror first. They have to be authentic. You have to
be authentic by committee. We need a lot of guys leading.
So that was in response to talking about when he
asked when was asked about the culture and asked about

(11:57):
the leadership group, that they don't necessarily need an a
to be leaders in the room. He talked about the
meetings will come up. I talked to Terry every day.
I mean, how many times have we heard that one
and that he will be asking me the hard questions.
We have to win. I know that players know that.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, the culture is one thing that is just really funny.
He kind of did say it. He did say, you know,
winning will help change the culture, which is true. I
just look at the culture as not Tage in Tuck
or Dallian. Right, we're talking about the core leaders, right,
so their leadership council that they have, Dollion's the captain, Tage, Tuck,

(12:37):
Samuelson and Cousins are the assistants. Right. Let's look at
Cousins gone, your assistant captain gone. Not exactly a great
endorsement of his quote unquote leadership. And that's not any
bash on Dylan Cousins. That's nothing. That's just Adams chose
and Rough chose him to be a leader, and less

(12:58):
than a year into him being part of that leadership
council that they appointed, he's gone.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
They needed the big show up at the deadline and
that this is what Adams was talking about.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
One hundred percent, which is fine, And but that is
an assistant captain. That's one of your quote unquote leaders
that you designated at the start. The other one Mattia Samuelson,
a guy who watched Tage Thompson get taken out by Nason,
A guy who continuously did not step up when his
game is supposed to be a physical game. Things like that.

(13:29):
Dahleen and Tuck, I don't think you're ever going to
question their their leadership and how they view this team. Right.
Tuck doing everything that he did this year. Dollen is
a is a workhorse. This team cannot play without him
in the lineup. And Tage, I think is a really
solid leader as well. But Tage said it best in
his locker room clear he said, my leadership style is
more I let my actions do the talking. Well. Scored
forty plus goals.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Really hot at the end of the year for Tage,
really hot at the end of the year, the line
itself and him. I believe he had the most even
strength goals and league.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Since the Four Nations break. I think he was like
tied for the league leading total goals too, He's very close.
So like in terms of their leadership, yeah, like you know,
you talked about guys like Zucker, Greenway, McLoud even brought
to like there is leaders on this team, but it's
just not a good look when two of your assistant
captains once traded in one there was rumors earlier in

(14:22):
the year of a letter being taken away and we
knew it wasn't Dallen Tucker Tage, so that less Samuels.
I don't know, it's just it disburns the fact, like
I said, they just they need veteran additions in this
locker room. Dollien and Tage are very good players. You
have some good young players here, but you need more
Jason Zukers who are veteran players who can play. You

(14:43):
need more of that. You need more. But on the
flip side, as terms of the leadership as well, you
also just need good hockey players. The culture happens, it
grows organically when you have a good team. Well, whose
job is it to make the team good? The players,
the coach, but the GM is the one who assembles

(15:05):
the roster. So for your roster's not good enough. The
players and the coach deserve blame too, but the GM
you have to wear that because you're the one who
assembles this roster. And he's now on his We'll give
him three years because his first two years were rebuilding,
but he's now on three years of just not having
a good enough roster.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
And I look at that Alex Tuck. I he broke
a record for most block shots as a forward this year.
So you talk about you know what what he his
presence means to Buffalo and you know how much he
cares about, you know, the Savers organization. But even for him,
he needs a new contract and how much longer is
he going to want to be around if this team
continues to lose. You'd know about I mean that thing
that happened earlier in the year, about the rumor about

(15:44):
Rasmus Dallen, you know, having a meeting with management, whether
that was true or not, that you know he wants
to start seeing some changes or you know he might
be on his way out as well. Again, stuff gets
thrown around all the time when you're losing like that,
and it's just difficult to go through a seat like
they did with with so many ups and downs in it,
and then played better in the in the second half

(16:04):
of the year, but again it was too late by then.
But you always hear Adams talk about, you know, the
accountability and you talk about the leadership group and get
further into Lindy's comments a little bit more, but you know,
these are the guys that you've locked up long term,
like this is your this is your core group right here,
Like they're it's not like these guys are going to

(16:25):
be leaving anytime soon. Adams made sure to get all
these deals done. He was able to move Cousins for
another long term contract around the same age as Josh Norris.
But again Josh wat Norris's oblique injury. Owen Power gets
injured near the end of the year, pretty significant injury.
Should be ready for training camp, but there's a lot
of questions that need answered. And you mentioned Jason Zuker,

(16:47):
Like this is no slight on Jason Zuger because he's
a great leader and a great person for within the room.
But they were almost begging him to stay because they
needed a guy like him, his presence in the room
as a veteran guy that was an outsider that was
from you know, teams that had gone to the playoffs before,
and he's been in this league a long time. But
you know, you said you need more Jason Zuckers. But

(17:08):
like again, at the same time, they need to start
developing their own Jason Zuckers, I guess is what I'm
trying to say.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, and I think they are not enough, but I
think they are the I think the problem is the
guys that are developing into that, like the Zack Benson's
of the world. They're They're still young and it's hard
to whatever. And when we do the indictment on the
roster in our off season preview, which I'm sure we're
gonna do, we can talk about that more. Because you know,
if I'm Kevin Adams my whole if I'm the GM

(17:35):
of this team my whole offseason, you got to look
for a veteran forward here and there. But to me,
I'm reshaping this decoor from the top bottom. You have
two defensemen in power in Dolly and who you absolutely
have to keep, and then anyone else can be had.
I don't care. Jacob Bernard docker is a different story.
He needs a contract and he played extremely well on
his limited sample size so maybe three. But again, like
nothing against jac Bernard Docker I'm not throwing him with

(17:56):
it on the same level as Dolly in power obviously,
but in terms of just like they're I don't know
what they do. Kevin Adams, again, we'll talk more like
if you want to throw some more tidkets from the
press are there. But the presser was about as pointless
I can remember an offseason, a pre off season presser

(18:16):
being because he did not offer anything new. I need
to be better, we need to be better. It's just
not going to cut it in year six. I know,
like the one quote he said where he said he said,
I think I'm going to try to spend closer to
the cap now going forward because of the way the
roster shakes up or whatever. Dude, you're on your fourteen
of no playoffs, you don't try to spend closer to

(18:40):
the cap. You go out and spend money to make
your team better.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
And I think it was brought up that I think
it was Mike Harrington that said every team in the
playoffs is like one or two million away from the cap,
and you have all this cap space and you're still
trying to make the case that you're trying to win.
And again, I've got all this that written down, but uh,
I don't want to get to ahead of my here,
so I'll kind of, you know, drop back here. But

(19:03):
he kind of mentioned and this ties into what you're
talking about. You have to not overreact but understand the urgency.
He talked about Byron being in terms of Byron's contract
because he's gonna need a new extension. He's a really
good player and we're open to everything. When in regards
to a bowel Byram and he talked about we did
a better job playing better chunks of games, or beating

(19:27):
rather than beating ourselves. We had better situational awareness, better commitment,
buy in and understanding, but it was too late. When
asked about playing better down the stretch, do you have
any thoughts to that.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
It's the same cool. I don't know. Tell me a
legitimate reason why it took us about if buy in
is really what you're going with here, and why it
took so long to figure it out, Tell me why
it took so long to buy in. And two, the
first thing that he said, you don't want to overreact
or whatever the hell he tried to say there, I
don't know, Man, you lost thirteen games in a row.

(20:02):
I don't think a groundbreaking trade or something during a
thirteen game losing streak is an overreaction.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Or nothing against somebody on waivers.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, nothing against the timing of the Cousins trade, because
I do like that trade long term still, I think
as long as North stays healthy. But you're telling me
trading Cousins at Christmas instead of at the trade deadline
wouldn't have been a shakeup that this team could have
used like that. To me, Trading Cousins at that time
wouldn't have been an overreaction. Trading anyone wouldn't have been
an overreaction. Waving somebody wouldn't have been an overreaction. And

(20:30):
you know, he could sit there and say all he wants.
You know, if I could go back, I would make
a move, whether it's a trade or wave somebody or
call somebody up. Yeah, well, you know what if you know,
if I could go back in time too, I'm sure
there's something I would do differently. But guess what, you
let it happen and I forget who it was. Whatever
reporter asked the question. They brought up the eight game
losing streak last year, Like this is multiple years where

(20:52):
there's been a a six, seven, eight plus game losing
streak and you've just sat there and done nothing. So
they'd either tell me one of two things, you're not
a very good GM or you have restraints on you
from your ownership. And ownership is a completely different problem.
We don't even We could do a whole series of
podcasts on the issues that ownership has with this team,
because I think ownership is a big part of why
we are where we're at. But at some point Kevin

(21:15):
Adams like grow a pair and do something like he
did with the Cousins trade. Finally, like that that was
a good trade. You know, Norris remains to be seen still,
but you made a core trade and at its value,
Senators fans can say what they want. Cousins has had

(21:36):
you know, he's had some success there and good for him.
But that trade needed to happen for the Sabers. It
absolutely had to happen, and it did. It should not
have taken as long as it didn't get that trade done.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
And Norris only played three games because of that oblige.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, but I mean, let's be honest, I know, like
we can talk about that too, But in the short term,
that Norris trade wasn't going to have a huge impact,
like the Sabers weren't going to claw their way back
to the playoffs after that Norris trade. That's more for
the long term, and again hopefully that works out too.
But no one will argue that that in Buffalo, that
a core trade like that needed to happen, and it
just it took too long. Again, that's Adams's whole mo
is He's not proactive, he's reactive, and when he reacts

(22:11):
it's far too late.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Lancesowski asked him that question. Actually, he's a great question,
and when asked about Norris's oblique injury, when you made
the trade, Adam says, we were aware he may have
to come back, he may have come back too early,
but we did it for the long term, so basically
what you said there. Then we got into a Lindy quote,
and this is a pretty long winded one, so I'll

(22:34):
read it off here. I'm angry with myself for not
getting the job done, said Lindy rough. We got terrific goaltending,
we scored, we.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Didn't.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
I guess he's mixing two things here together. We got
terrific goaltending and we scored. We just didn't get when
we got the timely goals, special teams and goaltending were better.
But in early in the year we didn't get all
of that. We didn't get the timely goals, we didn't
get the terrific goaltending, and we score enough. We had
trouble with adversity and high pressure situations at the beginning

(23:04):
of the year, but by the end of the year
we were aware we were able to win, and we
didn't get there quick enough.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, it kind of just goes back to what I
said before is I don't know what took so long
for everyone to buy in. And again everyone when the
big guys played well, like the big guys played well,
like they were bought in. I know, defensively, there's still
some issues and whatever. I know. You know, they talked
about Lucanan as well, and he owns. Good on lucan
In for owning that he needed to be better this year.

(23:34):
But it's just like Rough. I'm not gonna sit here
and blame Lindy Rough, but he's again he deserves a
lot of the blame. Like you were the head coach, Dude,
you had some questionable lineup decisions, your power play struggled again.
You according to you right from your mouth, it took

(23:55):
sixty games to get everyone to buy into what you
were trying to do. I don't know, Like like I said,
it's Leney Rough. Absolutely, he only has one year left
on his contract, so he's not going anywhere anyway. But
I also I am also a firm believer that he
deserves to be here for his last year, right. I
also think that, you know, he deserves to hire his
own assistant coaches, But that also remains to be seen

(24:17):
if there's going to be any moves made there. This
whole cluster, you know, fluff, because I'm not gonna swear
the whole cluster fluff that they've kind of created is
just stems from a whole what they are a poorly

(24:38):
run organization. They're poorly run, that's all. It is nothing
against the people involved. But I come back to this,
what GM on any team gets five years of not
only no playoffs, but five years in the last three
years have been regression every year, What GM gets awarded

(24:58):
that that long of a career. And I know all
the media members like to say the Sabers fired people
too fast. You know what. Yeah, maybe they have fired
some people too fast a time or two here and there.
But if you really think that they should keep Kevin
Adams because they don't want to fire people too fast,
Like I just said, what GM gets three years of
five years with no playoffs in the last three years

(25:20):
have been regression. Not a single well respected hockey team
would allow that GM to be the GM for a
sixth season, Not a single one.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
I mean, how many years did Tim Murray and Jason
Botterrell get before they were fired?

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Those those might have been I would hear an argument
for they got fired too fast before I hear an
argument for Kevin Adams deserves a longer least because it's
he hasn't been here long enough. But yeah, they got
what did Murray get? Three? Two and a half BOTTLEL two? Three?
They each got at least three. They didn't get longer
than three.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
But like that, Oh I thought you were still talking there,
My bad.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
No, No, I was just like I said, I know,
it's we're trying to react to the press conference here,
but I just keep coming back to they are a
poorly run organization, not even just hockey team just organization.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Do you think Lindy Roff, if this team would have
somehow just tanked it and not played better the last
twenty games, do you think he would have still been
here or do you think it didn't matter what happened,
he was still coming back for the second year.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
In that scenario, if they had tanked, he would still
be here. I think if Kevin Adams is to the GM,
because they both have one year left on their contract,
So for me, that kind of goes back to again,
Kevin Adams has one year left. Dude has not earned
an extension. Could you imagine the outcry if they announce
Kevin Adams signs another extension with this team?

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Be as good as the Terry Pagoula Happy Birthday post?

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Right? The only thing I could think of is and
that's where the Elliott Freeman theory makes a lot of sense.
Is you promote Adams to a different role for the
last year of his contract, You hire a real GM
and you know you give Lindy Rouff, you know he
is a franchise legend. You give him the last year
of his contract to see if it works and if
he's interested. If it works out, and he's interested, staying
you figure it out from there. But to me, it's

(27:11):
just we can't be sitting here five years into Kevin
adams GM tenure and still be saying the same things.
Right we the fan base has had enough, The players
are coming close to had enough. I said the other day,
I don't think it will actually lead to change, But
if I'm Dollan and Thompson, I am putting all the
pressure in the world on Adams and Terry Pagoula to
get serious. Because if they don't get serious, I know

(27:32):
you said they signed these guys the long term deals.
That doesn't matter anymore. Man. The second there's another year
like this, both those players are asking for a trade
and Terry Pegoula and well mostly just Terry Pegoula, because
I imagine, you know, another GM would be fired. Terry
Pegoula cannot survive trading of Jack Eichel in two thousand

(27:53):
and what was he traded twenty nineteen twenty? How long
has he been on Vegas?

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Twenty one?

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Okay twenty one? And if next year's twenty six, trading
two franchise cornerstones to captains because they both requested a trade,
no owner can survive that the fan base would completely
implode on itself. It's already on the verge of imploding
on itself and saying screw this. I just we can
sit here and break down this press conference as much

(28:20):
as we want. But to me, it's until the owner
has a change in mentality. I don't see anything changing
for this team.

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Speaker 6 (32:19):
Hey, Hey, here we call.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
What's talking died, And.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
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Speaker 1 (32:27):
We call me some noise. Get into form one and
one for all.

Speaker 6 (32:32):
Let's hear you from your hotscamec.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
And we also talked about the skeleton crew they have
compared to most teams. As far as the front office goes, like,
remember when Terry Paula talked about all we need is
a GM a head coach, when he had Botterill and
Ralph Krueger, and then when they brought Adams, and then
they finally were able to let him hire Jason Carmanos
to be the assistant GM to run Rochester. But it
still feels like they don't have the man power that

(33:13):
some of these other franchises have. And again, is that
the is that owner based? Is that Kevin Adams saying
he doesn't need more help? Again, we don't know the
whole ins and outs of what their conversations are. Apparently
they talk every day, but like, does Terry just not
want to pay more staff or more people to help
out Kevin Adams? I mean, again, I don't necessarily think

(33:34):
sometimes you can have too many cooks in the kitchen.
But obviously what they have right now hasn't got them
to where they want to be. So if Adam says
that they haven't done enough good enough job, then like
you said, are they going to promote him to a
bigger role and then get somebody else in that role
to help him out. It seems like there has to
be something the Is that a cry?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Like?

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Is that a sort of cry from Adams in a
in a small way of saying that, you know, I
need more assistance in getting this job done.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
So two things. One, the skeleton crew is one hundred
percent on ownership. Because if you remember that Tim Graham
piece years back where they exposed the economic efficient whatever
the hell, the thirty was a presentation they had where
basically they were going to gut the Sabers Hockey operation
staff and try to make it as efficient and economically

(34:24):
advantageous as possible. Like I said to me, it's the
ownership needs to change their mentality in order to actually
get some real progress. And if it comes out, you know,
tomorrow day, after next couple of days, Kevin Adams is
being moved to a different part of the organization. And like,
I don't know, I'll just throw this name out there
because he's someone that has been thrown around the hollows

(34:47):
of Sabers Twitter. I don't necessarily think it's a great
option or I don't know, but like say, they say, hey,
Adams is the president, yourmo Kaka Lion is now the GM.
To me, it's not, you know, the end all be all,
But to that's at least a signal that Terry Pagoula
has sort of changed his brain because, for whatever the reason,
since Jason Bottrel, you know, the Jason Bottrel thing blew

(35:09):
up in his face, Terry has been very anti hockey guys.
Doesn't want people who will challenge him, doesn't want people
who will tell him you know something he doesn't want
to hear. And I think that's why Adams has had
as long of a leash as he did. Granted, like
I said, there was progress under Adams and Granado, but
the second it started to fall apart, we already said

(35:32):
Rough was Rough was Adams's third head coach that he
hired because you know, he promoted Gernado to interim and
then hired him or sorry, second head coach, second head coach.
He promoted Granado to the interim head coach and then
signed him full time and then fired Granado and hired Lindy.

(35:53):
He didn't hire Gruger obviously, that was Modrel. So it's
just to me, I don't like to say these words
because it's very harsh and not fair to Adams the
human being. But he's a yes man. He was the
one that had to go fall on the sword after
all the fiftieth anniversary debacles that came out with their
alumni jerseys and things like that. Adams was the one

(36:14):
who had to go on the media tour. He is
someone that at Terry Paula trusts. He He is someone
that Terry Pagoula cannot only talk to. But control is
not the right word, but he he feels comfortable with
Kevin Adams, and I think that's why Adams has his
long leash. And to me, Terry, you're gonna have to

(36:35):
get uncomfortable. Running a well run organization means you have
to get uncomfortable. You can't be comfortable anymore. It's been
too long.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, you're gonna have to have those uncomfortable conversations and
actually talk about pushing as that that Kevin Adams says
that you know Terry is frustrated and doesn't like where
they're at. Well, I hope so, because obviously it hasn't
worked for the last fourteen years, through what three different
gms and six different head coaches. So getting further here

(37:06):
with the press conference here Austin. We got a about
fifteen to twenty minutes left. Yeah, the cap is a magnet.
Was an interesting quote that Adam said, if you make
a decision in the summer for a one year plan,
it could hurt you down the road. It's never been
a shocking point from Perry about cap space or no
cap space. He gives me every resource possible, Dude, is

(37:34):
that your favorite so far?

Speaker 3 (37:35):
You gotta make the playoffs. Spend money for one year
and make the playoffs and then maybe then maybe worry
about it. Remember last year when he said he wasn't
spending into the cap because he needed to sign all
his RFAs to long term extensions. Can you tell me?
Can you tell me which RFA's got long term extensions
last summer? None? Yeah, there's no no jj Paturki extension,

(37:59):
no Bo Byron extension, no Jack Quinn extension, which probably
thankfully worked out. But you know what I mean, Like,
what are we talking about here?

Speaker 6 (38:08):
Man?

Speaker 3 (38:09):
You need that cap space to sign players to future
contracts that didn't get signed. So like the cap. I
know people like to say spending money doesn't necessarily equate
to success, which in a vacuum might be true. But
like you just said, right there, Mike Carrington pointed out
everyone points it out. Teams with seven million dollars in
cap space or whatever the hell the Savers had don't

(38:29):
make the playoffs. They just don't unless it's like the exception,
not the rule. And it's pretty much proof the Savers
didn't make it this year. They didn't spend money. They
bought out Jeff Skinner, which in hindsight was a good move,
but you saved all that money for this year and
didn't use it. And guess what his buyout for the
next two years is going to get higher and higher.

(38:50):
This was the year to take advantage of the j
just Ginner bio, and they just didn't. That's malpractice. Like
I said, we're trying to break down the press conference
here and it's basically just turned into me ripping Kevin
Adams saying he shouldn't be the GM anymore. But god,
he just could you give me one argument why he
should be the gym next year?

Speaker 1 (39:08):
He has a plan?

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, okay, exactly. No, I know you're not arguing for
him to be the GM. I know you're not obviously,
but that's what I'm saying. Like, that's kind of where
we're at with this organization.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Is they keep talking but nothing changes.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
No.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Well, I mean they traded for Josh Norris, but like,
and know what, disrespected Josh Norriton. Think he's a fantastic player.
That's not just all of a sudden gonna fix all
the franchise's problems by getting the Cousins out of the room.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Like hey, like I said, like what like I said?
With the change in mentality from the ownership the Norris thing, Okay,
Norris's contractors worth a little bit more than cousins in
terms of capit and real dollars. Okay, so he's spending
a little bit more money there, small tidbit again, and
Poula doesn't deserve any benefit of the debt right now,
but okay, he explored an Elias Peterson trade. Elias Peterson
makes eleven million dollars. Okay, you want to really show

(39:56):
that you've maybe changed a little bit and you're starting
to get serious. Are your GM hire a hockey guy?
And I know we can sit here and talk about
all this. Like I don't love these names. I don't
love the Ken Hollins. I don't love the the the
yarmol Kecka Lions, but you know what, maybe that's what
this team needs. Maybe this team needs an old I
hate the Old boys Club, but maybe this team needs

(40:17):
someone from the Old boys Club to come in and
be like what, like, what the hell is going on here?

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Because I'm just never for retreads. But again, the Sabers
really they've they've gone outside the box the last two
or three times.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
So it hasn't worked. They need like they for gms.
It just hasn't worked. It was Tim Murray who was aggressive,
it made too many first time GM. Yeah, it was
Jason Bodrell who was also first time GM. Came from
a Stanley Cup pedigree organization. It didn't work. Made a
couple of nice moves, but ultimately, you know, didn't do
it enough. And then it was Kevin Adams who was

(40:52):
the president of the Harbor Center or whatever his real
job was. I don't remember three straight gms have been
first time gms that your next GM can't be a
first time yet.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
No, absolutely, not going further. He talked about it. I've
had I have a lot of faith in uh Uko Peca,
Lukenan he's going to bounce back. We need to be
better defensively in front of him, but he knows he
wants and needs to be better. It's not good enough.
I felt that we should have been a playoff team

(41:21):
right now, and we are closer than further.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Closer in what way?

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah, because you were close two years ago and you
missed by a point and you haven't sniffed that since.
And he thought of and now, look, I know last
year last year was not uku Peca Lucan. It's fault
last year. Ukapeca Lucan was very good. This year at
times he was very good. But it just comes back
to when you're getting goaltender, like look at again, they

(41:53):
they didn't. Rymer played extremely well down the stretcher, except
for maybe a couple starts here and there. But when
Raymer played well down on the stretch, they won. If
Lucanan just played nine hundred save percentage hockey, the Savers
probably have four or five more wins. And at one point, now, yeah,

(42:13):
I was gonna say now, Lucanan is not solely to blame.
The team does absolutely have to play better defensively in
front of him, no doubt about that. But Lucanan's numbers
were not good this year.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
And I remember you talking earlier in the year, and
again he talks about UPL, you know, knowing it needs
to be better. I remember you said in one episode
that it's okay for goalies to make high danger scoring
chance saves. Yeah, said, it's it's your goaltender is able
to make a timely save when needed. And again, this
isn't trying to be a spight on UPL, because no,
he did have stretches where he played well, but it

(42:46):
was just not consistent enough from what we now are
new expectations of him were after such a strong year
last year, and then James Raimer getting eleven of the
last twenty one games down the stretch really showed that,
you know, they went with the hot hand and Rymer
was playing better than UPL down the stretch. And Rymer's
been in this league a long time, but you know
he's a mid thirties goaltender now on the downward of

(43:08):
his career as a backup goaltender. That they got back
from waivers after putting him on waivers was claimed by
Anaheim got him back, and then you've got Levi marinating
in Rochester who's looked like they're going to go on
a playoff run, So how much longer are you going
to keep him down there? But you also just gave
upl an extension, so it's a tough it's a tough
situation to be in. I think if he bounces back
next year, it's not an issue. But if he struggles

(43:30):
another season, then you really have to have the conversation
of Okay, what is going to be our plan moving
forward here?

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Yeah, and that was Friedman's last point. Was there a
teams who believe Luken is available. I'm not ready to
move on from him just yet. I am ready to
challenge him with a veteran backup goalie, like a real
veteran backup goalie. Nothing against James Raimer, but like, if
we could get a thirty three year old that veteran
backup goal instead of a thirty seven year old, that
would be great.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
But it's just like, how long do you keep Levi
down him?

Speaker 3 (44:00):
One more year down there? Next year? Miller played one
hundred plus games in the AHL, Levi's at like fifty plus,
or you know, you give Lucan in till Christmas next year,
and if he hasn't figured it out. You explore that
I don't know. I don't necessarily know what to do.

(44:22):
They could tell me today they're trading lucan In, calling
up Levi and signing a veteran goalie, and I think
I'd still be okay with it, because goaltenders are very
weird and they're very good and very bad at the
same time. So like, I'm not married to lucan In,
But yeah, I don't know. Goaltending is an a goaltending

(44:43):
and defense is what this offseason should revolve around. The
problem with goaltending is with Lucanan. Say they do go
out and sign a Jake Allen. Let's just say they
signed Jake Allen to like a two year deal, someone
they can really on to start when Lucanan falters, how

(45:05):
does lucan And handle that pressure? Yeah, he seemed to
handle the pressure of Rhymer a little bit better later
as the season went on. He had three nice starts
to end the year. But I need more than three
nice starts.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Here's a quote from Lindy. It's players that believe in
each other and don't complain about each other. When talking
about the culture. Culture is a team first, attitude. Our
group was disappointed, really hard learning, but picked ourselves up
in the last twenty or so games. But that's from

(45:39):
the head coach in Lindy rough saying that you know
that sometimes maybe they were pointing the finger at each
other instead of at themselves about why they weren't getting better,
and that culture needs to be a first team, first attitude,
which when asked about, you know, what was what was
the issue with the culture? Yeah, I mean we've basically

(46:01):
already went over that, but that was something that I
thought was interesting that Lindy, you know, actually acknowledged that
there was finger pointing at times that needed to be rectified.
One more page of quotes here, Austin. Then you know
you've been fired up here for the most of the episode,
but for more from Adams frustration out of all of
us of where we should be on paper. You know,

(46:23):
take that as you wish. Make sure we prioritize the
right things. It's on me and I will fix it. Well,
we'll see, we've made several or that. There's a Lindy
quote after that I that I wrote down, but that
was a quote from Adams. We should be better on paper.
Make sure we prioritize the right things, and it's on
me and I will fix it.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah, yeah, sure, let's see it then, right, I don't know.
I would ye do a couple more quotes because we
could just kind of sum up everything at the end.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Okay, here's what I got left. Zuker had the ability
in keeping keeping it into perspective. He helped Yuriku leach
a ton on and off the ice. So again, Zuker's
presence in the room helping those young players. This is
a quote from Lindy. We made several changes system wise
during the year. Power play didn't help us the last
forty games. Moving people around helped. The puck management was

(47:22):
better us. Losing Greenway hurt the penalty kill. Big individual
mistakes hurt us more than structure.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Yeah, I mean, I would hope they would have changed
their systems in place because the power play was got awful.
I just had for the coaching aspects. It's hard for
me to blame a lot on Lindy because again he
didn't get to hire a single assistant coach, which is
just utterly insane. And to be further proof that they're
not a well run organization, because that's just insane for

(47:53):
your head coach to not get to hire any of
his assistants and wouldn't fly. It's probably the reason why
they brought Lindy Rough back because maybe he was the
only person that could stomach that for some reason. I
don't know this. Pressed Yeah, I said this. We've been
saying it for three four years now with Kevin Adams
and them. It's show me something. Adams made a couple

(48:17):
of nice moves this year. You need to make three
four more.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
And I'll end on a positive Austin because you know
me in a tremendous rookie season or Eerie had a
tremendous rookie season. And talking about Yeri cool Leach long term,
he's a center in our mind. He matched up against
other teams top lines as a twenty year old. I
want our guys. I'll leave the last quote for the end,

(48:43):
but he talked about Yeri Cool Leach's development on that
top line and as a centerman. They view him as
a center long term, so it seems like they're they're
high on what Yeri cool Leach is going to be
a part of this team. But again, a lot to
ask for a twenty year old if they think that
that's the top six addition to their roster that they
didn't have at the beginning of the year when he
was called up.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
But yeah, interesting that they said. I mean, I've also
view Yuko Leach as the center, so I just wonder
what that means with Tage for long term because he
was a winger with Koleach and if they view Norris
as a center, and to me that that leaves Tage
on the wing, and which is fine. He played really well.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
I believe Koole, each, Tuck and Thompson were the highest
scoring first line in the NHL.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Yeah, and you know, we'll talk about if we have
like an offseason primer or whatever. The second Zach Benson
was on the wing with Cooleach and Thompson as well.
That line also was extremely well. Because it's good good
for Zach Benson and bad for the team that the
twenty year old nineteen years even twenty yet, I don't
know if he's twenty yet. Zack Benson is their best
defensive forward and not exactly a great sign. McLeod is

(49:48):
very like they have some good defensive player, but like
Zach Benson is just if Zach Benson figures out how
to put the puck in the net, which with his
style of play getting to the dirty areas, it's going
to start happening. That is going to be so damn good.
He already is so damn good. But you're gonna see
the raw production numbers start the skyrocket, which you saw
when he started playing with Kolach and Thompson. So again,

(50:09):
it's a lot to ask kole each and Benson to
take another leap. To me, they're very capable of it.
But if that's your top line next year, I don't
think we'll have any issues with it. But I hope
they have a contingency plan in place this time around,
just in case, because regression happens. But you can't let
it happen. In another we must make the playoffs yere,

(50:30):
because it's been two straight of those and there was
never a backup plan in place.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah, I think Benson took a stride in his two
hundred foot game this year. You know, the point production
maybe wasn't what we thought it would be, but again,
there were so many other factors and issues that happened
with this lineup this year. It was gonna be hard
for him to do that. But again, if Tage is
gonna be on the wing, that means you're putting a
lot of faith in Yuriko Leach and Josh Norris down
the middle. You know, maybe Tage can go there if
injuries do happen either.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Yeah, it's a good safety valve to have a guy
like Tag who can play the wing and center. And
McCloud cloud really stepped up as a second line center
down the stretch.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
He was phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
He's phenomenal. He's if we ever do like a positives
from this year, outside of the Dolling and Tage, I
think McLeod McLeod is probably right up there, yeah, because
the dude was just phenomenal this year. Not an elite
point scoring forward, but just so good at so many
different things. And you know, his end of the year
press conference was refreshing to hear to hear a guy

(51:28):
say I love it here and that was a guy
who was playing in Edmonton before with Connor McDavid and stuff.
I know that's stupid and sappy to get over that,
but like, McLeod's just such a damn good hockey player.
He's the type of player they need more of. So
when you do have one here who's an RFA who
says he loves it here. Do everything you can to
walk that down long term.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
For sure, and we'll get more into that in our
season ending show going into the offseason, for sure. Last
quote here Austin before we wrap it up. I want
our guys to get used to playing in June, said
Ken Adams. That's why he sent down Yeriku Leach to Rochester.
I think he when he was asked about about sending
him down and a couple other players down to Rochester,

(52:05):
wanted them to get that experience. Probably that I definitely
enjoyed that one. I want our guys to get used
to playing in June, because that's what we want up
here with the Sabers.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
How about we let them get used to playing in
May first. But no, all in all seriousness with Koliach,
if it was that or the world, I don't think
there was a wrong answer. I am glad he's going
down to the playoff run though, because nothing against the
world is the world. There are a lot of fun
Representing your country is a lot of fun. But getting
him to go on a playoff run with being the
veteran guy in Rochester like, he's not like a Mason

(52:37):
Yopster or a Brett Murray, but he's a He's an
NHL player who had NHL success. So getting to add
him to that HL lineup and letting him go down
there with some of the other up and comers like
the consta Helenius is the Noah Oastlands Isac Rosen you know,
guys like that. Devin LEVI like, it'll be good. I
hope Rochester goes on a deep run because that would

(52:57):
be good for cool each long term. But yeah, nothing
against Kevin Adams, but I want to get used to
guys playing in June. God damn dude, how about you
get like let Dolline and Tage and then get used
to playing in June. Man, how about you help your
team out and help them play in June.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
I don't know. I'm done.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
That's it. I'm just yeah, He's just.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
So.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
I hope everybody enjoyed Austin's reaction, as painful as it
was to some of these quotes from Kevin Adams is
end of season press conference with Lindy Ruff. Again. We'll
probably be back here doing our end of season preview
or end of season episode previewing the off season. You
know whether maybe if the Sabers win the draft lottery,
that might be something to look at pickings. They have

(53:37):
the seven best odds going into the draft lottery in
a few weeks, so we'll have to wait and see
what that. Maybe we'll be back for an emergency episode
of the Sabers and now with the number one overall
pick and that might be able to change things. But
regardless of that, well, we'll be back with some reaction
at some point before we wrap up for the the
our our off season here on the network, but again

(53:58):
sporadic episode just because the Saber Obviously, again we're pretty
much out of it after the deadline, but it was
nice to see them play better down the stretch. But
again there's positive and negatives with that, and we'll see
if Kevin Adams remains in his GM role the next
time that we come back on to record, or if
they bring in some extra help as well. We'll have
to wait and see what happens with that. But if
there is any major shakeups or anything like that that

(54:21):
happens with the Sabers coaching staff or front office, we'll
be sure to come back here and react to it
like we did today with the end of season press conference,
but Austin the final words for you wrap up.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Yeah, apologies for the sporadicness of my brain today, but
it's just this type of press conference staring down another
season of Kevin Adams being the GM. I don't know.
I don't know how we're gonna do it. I don't
know how we're gonna survive it. I don't know how
the organization's gonna survive it. But god damn if we're
not gonna be here in September saying this team's gonna
make the playoffs again.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
It's been a long fourteen years and taking a toll
on a lot of different people. But again, their actions
are gonna face speak louder than any great words or
things that they could say to or rate to us
in the media and or the fan base about what
this team needs to do to be better. But that's
going to wrap it up for our reaction to the
Sabers end of season press conference and exit interviews right

(55:15):
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(55:36):
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