Augusta Golf Show with John Patrick/Rex Hoggard & Bailey Chamblee

This weekend,
Rex Hoggard from GOLF CHANNEL with an extended conversation about the Ryder Cup
Bailey Chamblee on her career and her new podcast "My Favorite Chamblee" with her husband Brandel

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this morning's program, Well, first, just know we are going
to be talking about last week's Ryder Cup for a while.
It'll be discussed six ways from Sunday, so why not
start this morning. Rex Hoggard there all week. Rex covers
the game for Golf Channel, writes Forgolf channel dot com.

(03:06):
This morning, Rex and I will have an extended conversation
on as many aspects as we can get to regarding
the Ryder Cup. It's the first conversation about the event.
It won't be the last. Then somebody I've wanted to
have on the program for a long time. We're all
familiar with Brandell Shamblee from Golf Channel, but his wife,

(03:29):
Bailey is a journalist and a broadcaster and a co
host of their podcast My Favorite Shamblee. Bailey Shamblee will
join me a little bit later on this morning. As always,
I will let you know or to find the golf
on television this weekend. And despite college football, despite the
baseball postseason, there's a lot of golf on this weekend.

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And if there's time, this morning and our Why I
Love the Game segment, the captain of next year's Team
USA at the Solheim Cup, Angela Stan will tell us
why she loves the game of golf. All right, coming up,
Bailey Chamblee will be here, but first Rex Hoggard and
I will talk Rider Cup. Stay right there. Thank you

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Morning and Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm
John Patrick, Okay. Rex Hoggard covers the game for a
Golf Channel. Rex rights at golf channel dot com. He
and Ryan Labner host the Rex and Lav podcast. Rex
is also the president of the Golf Writers Association of America,

(08:17):
and he was at Bethpage last week. Pleasure to welcome
Rex Hoggard back to the Augusta Golf Show. How are you, Rex,
I'm doing well.

Speaker 10 (08:27):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (08:28):
I'm good. I'm good. I don't know where to begin
with all of this. Let's where are you on the
overreaction meter on the Ryder Cup? I mean, I mean,
I thought, I thought Team USA played okay on Saturday,
and of course there was Sunday they had just dug
too big a hole.

Speaker 10 (08:50):
I don't know about Okay on Saturday. I say they
played brilliantly on Sunday. And I think the line that
I use on Sunday night, and you're absolutely right by
the way. I mean, I think the natual reaction to
the Ryder Cup, regardless of whatever the outcome, is to
be a prisoner of the moment, not try to zoom
out to thirty thousand feet. I think it's probably impossible
to do that in the heat of the moment. But
I think Sunday night had dawned on me that what

(09:12):
we thought we knew on Saturday night, just Sunday's outcome
just kind of solidified that that Loke Donald is a
brilliant captain and a brilliant tactician and probably should keep
the job for the next decade if the European Tour
wants him, and if he wants to do it. And
we're not quite sure what Keegan Bradley is, to be
honest with you, because you look at that comeback by
the American team on Sunday, and it's clear Europe's not

(09:34):
seven points better than the United States. These teams are
much much closely matched than that. But that was the
margin through two sessions of team play, and I think
the difference in this always is team play. The Americans
are certainly talented enough, they're the better team on paper,
so in singles you are going to come out ahead.
Europe only won one outright point on Sunday. And it's
still sort of this mystery to the United States, specifically

(09:58):
for some them's play that we just can't get past.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
What would you have said to someone if on Wednesday
they said to you, yeah, now the winning team will
only win one singles match on Sunday.

Speaker 10 (10:10):
I don't know. I think just comes up at every
Ryder Cup. If you'd have told me on Monday two
years ago in Rome that Rory was going to get
in a fist fight in the parking lot with poor Bones.
Macayy had something now that isn't going to happen. If
you'd told me a lot of things were going to
happen last week, I would have rolled my eyes. I
think that's why we love the Ryder Cup so much,
because there is the uncertainty of it. You don't really
get this in any other avenue when it comes to golf.

(10:32):
That's what it makes content. For two straight years, we're
going to be talking about this until we go to
Ireland for a their manner in two years for the
next Ryder Cup. I think what you saw on Sunday again,
the American talent rose to the top, took over. I
think it was an inspired effort. Everyone involved knew what
they needed to do. I'm going to go ahead and
say that maybe the European team got a little complacent.

(10:54):
It's probably impossible not to when you have a seven
point lead going into Sunday and no one's ever come
back from more than four points, so it was kind
of hard to wrap your mind on how that could happen,
but it certainly made it fun.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Name the American player that pleasantly surprised you.

Speaker 10 (11:10):
I don't know if it was a surprise, but it
was cool to see. I think JJ Spahn was probably
the highlight of the US team. I think Cam Young
was right there alongside him as a highlight team. I
don't know how surprised we should be that both of them.
I guess maybe Cam would be a bigger surprise, not
because he's not a talented player, and he certainly isn't
good enough for that stage. I think just the pressure
that was on him as a rookie, and not only

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as a rookie. He was the native son that entire
golf course was rooting for him. He grew up about
an hour from Bethpage. He was the only New Yorker
on either team, obviously, and that's a lot of pressure
for a rookie to handle, and he handled it better
than anyone.

Speaker 7 (11:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Let me ask you this, Rex, and I've asked almost
everybody I've had on the show. This is just something
that sticks with me. We always talk about players who
come in, maybe it's rookies, maybe it's players coming in
in bad form. How come we never talk about the
fact that the Ryder Cup may just inspire are people
to play better.

Speaker 10 (12:03):
I think there's something to be said for that, and
I would say whistling straight it's kindye Scheffler is a
really good example of that. I think you can go
back and kind of look at a couple of boxes
that you can tick off of players showing up lou
Vig Goldberg in Rome two years ago. He is a
player that had never actually played in the major championship
and was playing in his first Ryder Cup, and I
just think he was inspired to do this, to sort

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of rise to the occasion, and it takes a special person.
I thought Shane Lawer's comment on Sunday after getting the
point half point that retained the Cup to be technically correct.
He called the last two hours of that match miserable,
the worst two hours of his life, and I thought
that was a level of honesty that we don't get
from professional athletes very often, because normally you get the
chest pounding and yes, this is what I live for,

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this is where I want to be. I love the
honesty that Shane offered, but also the fact that he
was able to overcome that, that he was able to
find a way to birdy that last hole to get
that half point.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Who was your MVP for Europe?

Speaker 10 (12:57):
I think it had to be Rory. I mean, I
think Tommy is probably the best point Skinter. I think
he's going to go down is probably the best Ryder
Cup player of a European generation, which is saying something
because you look at who's on that team. He's right
there alongside Rory and John Rahm and Justin Rose and
all of these great legends. But when you go too
consecutive Cups and never lose a team session, that's amazing

(13:19):
to me. When you look at what he was able
to do in twenty eighteen alongside Francesco Molinari, there's another
gear to Tommy. All that being said, I walked every
match with Rory, and the things that he had to
endure and the things that were said to him and
the things that were thrown at his wife. It was
an awful scene. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. In
the fact that he was able to deliver, I think
that's pretty impressive. How bad was that, I've never seen

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it in golf. The only thing I can compare it
to is I went to a Yankee game earlier this
year and certainly it's a mainstream sports issue. It's a
New York issue. I did a story on Monday morning.
I talked to Ted Bishop. He was the president of
the PGA of American in twenty thirteen when they announced
Beth Page. He was instrumental in getting the Ryder Cup there,
and I wanted to reach out to him because as

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someone who was in the room, you knew this was
always coming. And he agreed absolutely, this is why they
wanted the Ryder Cup there. They wanted it on this stage.
They wanted that fan, they wanted that crowd, and it
elevated the event, and I think it delivered what they
thought it was going to deliver. And it came with
the ugly side, which was the New York fans. But
we always knew that was going to be the case,
but it was bad.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
How do you rationalize Scottie going one and four.

Speaker 10 (14:30):
I don't know how you rationalize Tiger Woods's record in
the team events either. It just makes no sense to me.
I think it's a little bit different. And I had
a Kylie Gryan Labner who sort of made the distinction
that Tiger Woods's team record in these matches, either President's
Cup or Ryder Cup. You can explain a little bit
of that a way, being that he had he was
such this huge presence, and it was probably really hard

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as a partner to pair with Tiger because you were
always trying to live up to that expectation and that's impossible.
With Scotty, it's completely different. I mean, we all know
he could not be more of an every man, He
could not be kinder, he could not be more accommodating.
He's the perfect partner. And you would have thought that
he and Russell Heinley, they needed he in Russell Hinley
to be the anchor of that team, and they simply
were not. I think Forsome is a little easier to

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explain away because you have this generational player who is
really big on momentum, like he never really puts himself
in a bad position, and next thing you know, he
makes one birdie or he makes one clutch up and
down for par and he gets on a roll. When
you're playing every other shot, you really don't have that opportunity.
But the overall record I think is inexplicable.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
I assume unless he decides to play in Tiger's event,
we won't see Scotty for like four months.

Speaker 10 (15:41):
Probably say I'm certainly, I wouldn't imagine he's going to
play anywhere else in the fall. I mean, certainly he
added NAPA just as that was sort of that US
team scouting t at a training camp, whatever you want
to call it. He would not have played that. It's
been a long season. I think he'll enjoy the next
couple weeks off.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
We're talking with Rex Hoggard from Golf Champ. I don't
want to overstate it, but I was curious watching what
I watched and then listening to what I heard afterwards.
Has the job of captain of these teams become a
singular focused, two year, full time position.

Speaker 11 (16:16):
Oh.

Speaker 10 (16:16):
I think Luke Johnald has proven that. Again, I truly believe,
and this is going to overstate it, and he the
things that I just said I didn't want to do
be a prisoner of the moment, but I would argue
that he's the best captain ever and certainly to Sam Torres,
and there's some others that could make a good argument,
but based on what he did in Rome, and then
based on what he was able to do here on
a way Ryder Cup on that stage and all of

(16:38):
the little things that he does. I mean, everyone wants
to look at the macro, but really I think he's
a good captain because of the micro because he talked
about it on Sunday and I'm making sure the players
had good shampoo and comfortable betting, and the light wasn't
coming through the door. All the little minutia that you
would think that a captain's never going to concern himself with.
I think that's why he's brilliant, and I'm going to

(16:59):
be shocked in the next probably by January, we don't
hear that he's going to sign on again. Is I
don't see anyone else on that side that's better prepared
that's better to give your chance to win three straight
in a row than Lukedan.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
What does it say about me, Rex that I went
and looked up that sixteen ounces of that shampoo is
ninety eight dollars.

Speaker 10 (17:24):
Well, you beat me to it, because as I was
reading the transcript on the plane ride at home on Monday,
I kind of caught You couldn't hear in the actual
press conference when you were there. There was a lot
going on. But I think someone on the team might
have been Rory said it's lovely and gave the name
of it, and I thought that the same thing to myself.
What does it say about either one of us?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah? Well, okay, good time for a break. Rex. Rex
isn't going anywhere. A lot more to cover, but while
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Speaker 2 (22:28):
Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
We're talking with Rex Hoggard from Golf Channel talking about
the Ryder Cup. So, Rex, this was a point that
Brandal Chamblee has been making since the matches that more
importance needs to be placed on the teams looking at
the data and the analytics. He thinks that was a

(22:50):
big part of Europe's strategy. What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 10 (22:55):
Absolutely? I think we can break down all the things
that went wrong for Team US USA. We can break
down with kick and Bradley got wrong, his stat's guy.
His stat's Guy's lost. And they're called Scouts USA. And
they've been around really since the Task Force and everything
started to change and sort of the pendulum started to
move in the player's direction and they've done good things.

(23:16):
I mean, they have one Ryder Cup. They have been
on winning Ryder Cup teams. This one they completely whipped
on and I don't know how it happened. I think
it was funny. Early last early in the week, I
was walking with one of the European practice groups and
one of the members of the sort of the backstaff
team walked up and I was sort of asking him
about the golf course setup, and he just shook his

(23:37):
head like this golf course favors us, like it doesn't
make any sense. They needed the US Open beth Page
at the very least, they needed a PGA Championship bet Page,
and I don't even think they got a Barkley beth Page.
It toasted two PGA Tour playoff events, and I don't
even think it was up to that level. That sign
that's on that first tea that warrens players about how
difficult it is, you can just kind of draw a line,

(23:58):
a red line through that, because that golf course was
as easy and as soft as I think I could
have ever imagined. Walking some of the practice rounds, it
was unrecognizable because normally, I mean, it's defined by its
rough it's defined by the nair corridors, it's defined by
the undulation and the greens, and everything was softened. And
I don't understand all the staff guys in Keegan missed

(24:18):
it so badly. If you look at the makeup of
the team that you knew you were going to have,
like don't even consider the six captain's picks, but the
team you knew you were going to have. Scotti Scheffler
does not like to go to the American Express because
he doesn't particularly want to play in a tournament the
thirty enders gonna win, That's not his strength. He's going
to grind you out. He's going to make more parts
than you and probably win by six strokes. JJ spawn
automatic qualifier, the US Open champion. I think Harris English

(24:41):
is another one who who has played some of his
best golf in the US Open. Vice and d Chambeau
two time US Open champion. That golf course wasn't set
up for that team.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
How does that happen? How does one of the most
terrifying golf courses in the country get set up that way?

Speaker 10 (25:00):
I mean, it was a conscious effort, and Kegan did
not say as much. On Sunday night. He said that
he made a mistake, that he should have followed his
gut feeling, which leads you to believe that he kind
of knew that. Why don't we just give them Beth page.
From the Beth page that we know, why don't we
just hand this to them? And someone told him that
wasn't the case and that this is what they needed
to do. He did not specify that. I have heard

(25:22):
from people behind the scenes. It wasn't the vice captains
who made these recommendations. So the only obvious example, the
only obvious explanation is his stats guy, scout Tink decided
that this was the best setup for them, and sometimes
the stats guys get it wrong. I don't know how
you got it this wrong, because even before the matches started,
I had people calling me saying that that's the wrong
way to do it, people who were inside baseball, much

(25:44):
more inside baseball than I am, that had seen it
and knew it was the wrong move.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
You know, you mentioned Luke and it being a full
time job to your full time job. So in hindsight,
was Keegan put in a tough spot?

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (26:01):
Absolutely, And I don't think. And look, the PG of
America has to take some responsibility for this because and
there's going to be some disconnect and we're going to
unpack this, and there's going to be people who don't
like what the answer is, but Keigan Bradley told us
in NAPA that he knew it when he took the
job that there was still the potential that he was
going to be among the best twelve players, the best
twelve Americans. He should have been on that team by
any metric, whether if he wanted to write a cup points,

(26:24):
if you want to do official World Golf ranking, if
you want to do data, golf strokes, gaining total, whatever
number you want to throw at me, he was among
the top twelve Americans. However, he did make the right decision.
He can't do both, and I think he knew this
was a once in a lifetime opportunity he had to
be captain. But when the pg of America made this decision,
Kegan might have known it. But did the PGA of
America know it? And if he did, then why did

(26:45):
you put him in this position?

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Do you think Tiger wants anything to do with twenty
twenty seven?

Speaker 10 (26:54):
I think so. There's a lot of things at play
here if you look at they kind of had to
wait a little bit later in the process because clearly
Tiger was the first stops for Best Page. He should
have been the captain of that team by all accounts,
Tiger Druggs' feet a little bit. I'm not being accusatory here,
it's just kind of the fact there was a lot
of things going on in Tiger's life professionally. I mean,
if you transition to the PGA Tour, He's on every
task for us there is on the PGA Tour, and

(27:16):
he is the front line. And whatever's going to be next,
whatever comes next between the tour and the public investment
front of Saudi Arabia and Livgolf, whatever comes next with
the tour and it's new CEO Brian Rollapp Tiger Woods
is right in the middle of all this and that's
pretty consuming. When you also add on that, I think
Tiger still has a vision of playing golf again, and
so he just couldn't and didn't want to do it,
knowing that he could only dedicate so much of his

(27:38):
time to one thing the way he is we know
him to be that. I think adare Manor in Ireland's
going to be different in two years. J P. McManus,
who is sort of the billionaire, the Irish billionaire who
orchestrated this a air Manor is his. It's there Augustin National.
I've been there. It is an amazing place. It's going
to be an amazing venue. Tiger Woods is very very
close to J P. McManus. So my guess is, as

(27:59):
long as everything is closer to some sort of resolution
when it comes to the PGA tour, probably not with
the public investments on, but certainly what Brian roll Up
wants the tour to become, that Tiger Wood will take
the job. But it's still I don't know if i'd
put it one hundred percent. It's somewhere around seventy seventy
five percent in my mind.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
But is that at odds rex with that full time,
two year position. It would seem to me you would
want somebody not completely out of the game. But you know,
Luke doesn't play much at.

Speaker 18 (28:26):
All anymore, and it is Tiger well true, true, I
mean Luke plays more than Tiger does, and my guess
is he's going to continue to try to play more.

Speaker 10 (28:37):
I don't think his body is ever going to cooperate.
The little things we do know about it doesn't suggest
that's going to happen. But I would argue the beauty
about Tiger Woods not taking the job this time around,
and it shows that when he does take it, he
wants to be all in, he wants to be dedicated,
he wants to do what Luke Donald has done over
the last four years. Actually, to be fair, it was
only three and a half years. This thought dawned on

(28:57):
me last week on the way to work. If not,
and I'm not an apologist or I don't try to
explain live Goff at all. However, if not for live Goff,
there's a very good chance the Europeans never got Luke
Donald les captain right. Yeah, I mean that's amazing to me.
He didn't have the job in Rome, that was Hendry
Extensions job, and they took it from him when he

(29:17):
joined lifgof clearly they circle back around really quick to
get him on board for beth Page. But if not
for live Goff, think about who would have followed after Stinton.
It would have been probably Sergier Garcia beth Page based
on his history, and then some combination of Lee Westwood,
Ian Poulter and Graham mcdowe and Martin Kimer. And then
we're a decade down the line now we're talking about
Justin Rose and Roy McElroy.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
If not Tiger got a short list for who should
be captain and should they be named quickly.

Speaker 10 (29:46):
I don't know if he should he should be named
quickly because again you almost have to defer again to
Tiger Woods on this one, because I think Tiger should
be one A and one B if the PGA of
Americans can get him to commit, and I think if
he commits, he will follow through and he will be
a good captain simply because of all the things that
made him such a great player, all the little things,
the attention to detail, the anal retentant stuff that we

(30:07):
don't really talk much about when it comes to Tiger Woods.
If not, you have to turn to the next logical option,
which if you follow sort of the bouncing ball, it
would probably be someone that was in the team room
this time around. I don't see the pg of America
coloring outside the lines again like they did with Keegan Bradley.
So you're looking at a web Senson. You're probably looking

(30:31):
at maybe a Kevin Kisner. Garry Woodland served as a
vice captain for the first time, so there are some options.
I think they'll if you're following the bouncing ball, I
think brand Snedeker would probably be the next best option,
simply because he will have a turn as a captain
at the Presidence Cup next year, and the PG of
America will get a chance to see how he's negotiating

(30:51):
those waters, and that's usually putting into indication. So if
not Tiger, it's probably going to be a combination of
one of those.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Walking with those groups those three days. Did you get
a sense do you get a sense that the fan
behavior was like a one off because of the fans,
because of the location, or do you think now this
is what has to be dealt with?

Speaker 8 (31:14):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (31:14):
I think I mean that that was all New York
City in death page and the People's Country Club and
all the things you can lead into. Absolutely, I mean
it has gotten worse over the years, and I don't
want to take any responsibility away from the Europeans like
it's just as bad. Not just that's not fair, but
it has been getting worse and worse from a fan
perspective at the Ryder Cup every two years. Every two
years it seems to escalate. There were plenty of unpleasant

(31:36):
things said to American players two years ago in Rome.
Now did it reach the level of that page? Absolutely not.
That was something new that was something completely different. I
don't know that the PGA of America should hit the
panic button. I think the PGA of America and every
other major sporting body should think twice about putting death
Page back into the rotation for anything, simply because of

(31:56):
what we saw. And I'm not saying they shouldn't. The
story that I wrote on Monday is no one should
have been surprised that this is what we got. And
do we hear this every two years? These things get
out of control with the Ryder Cup and a lot
of people start clutching at the pearls. And my argument
is we kind of knew this is what's going to happen.
And everybody, an authority in golf wants golf to become
way of the mainstream sports. Mainstream sports is like that.

(32:20):
It's ugly again. I've been turn enough games at Yankee Stadium.
It's not a pleasant experience and the fan is always
going to go over the top. It's just the way
our society is. And I think golf this needs to
decide do we want that or do we want to
go back in another direction?

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Hi, let me get you two more questions and get
you out of here will we see a change in
the envelope rule?

Speaker 10 (32:41):
We have to That was the only thing I walked
away from Bethe's disappointed about, because Kingan Bradley was pretty
clear he didn't like the rule. He didn't like the
way it played out. It's pretty our kid, to be
honest with you, who has envelopes anymore? We know no
one may anything, so I see where he's coming from.
And he said he had some ideas with any stopped
short of actually telling what the ideas was, because I
would have no idea. The Slim Cup gives a full

(33:02):
point to whichever team did not have the player who
could couldn't play. That would have felt I don't know
how great I would have felt about that on Sunday
either at the Ryder Cup, if Victor Hoblin couldn't play
given the circumstances. I also don't like the idea that
essentially Victor Hoblin not playing just marched You're that much
closer to the inevitable. There was only a half point,

(33:22):
but it was a big half point when you look
at the way things came down. Now, the Europeans still
would have won, not even retaining. They would have won
based on what happened on the course. I don't want
to go down that road, but it would have been
much much closer otherwise. I don't know how you get
rid of it. I heard talk about an alternate, but
I wouldn't have a clue how that would work out.
I'm not quite sure how fair that would be for
some guy to sit around all week long just waiting

(33:43):
to maybe get to call on Sunday. So I don't
know what the solution is, but there needs to be
some fixed to it, because that seems silly.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
So it wouldn't be Jef Knox.

Speaker 10 (33:53):
I think both sides would be fine with that. To
be honest with you, I think that one of the
options that I heard, and I was joking without a
snoring on the European side about this and now knowing
just one well he's a vice captain. He just won
on the European tour and I jokingly asked him did
you bring your clubs? And he said no, why would
I I'm like, well, you never really know, and so
you could probably come up with a scenario where maybe

(34:14):
the player that was next on the points list that
didn't get picked is named a vice captain and then
that vice captain brings their clubs and is just ready
to come in if need be. I don't know if
that's an elegant solution, but that's one option.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
What if anything, are you hearing about the Century Tournament?

Speaker 10 (34:31):
Not much right now. It's unfortunate. I think the last
I spoke with some folks on the inside who seemed
to think there's still the possibility that could be played
in Hawaii because Maui is being affected by the drought
the rest of the islands. Aren't there plenty of other
really good golf courses obviously in Hawaii. I think California
is an option. That event used to be played in
southern California in San Diego, so I think they're looking

(34:54):
at a couple of different options. Everyone was kind of
worried about how it would impact the Stony Open, because
historically players who played Maui would just take the short
hop over to Honolulu. I don't think that's necessarily the
case in recent years with signature events, simply because the
top players who in Maui they're probably trying to save
themselves for the big events that they know they have
to play in. I think the bigger deal is that

(35:16):
there is still the possibility that they don't play it
at all, so I think a couple things are up
in the air. We'll probably hear something soon.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
He is Rex Hoggard covers the game for Golf Channel
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saying yes to this and taking the time to do this.
I deeply appreciate it.

Speaker 10 (35:32):
Yeah, of course, anytime.

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Speaker 2 (41:03):
Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show I'm John Patrick.
Bailey Shamblee is a journalist broadcaster currently co hosting the
podcast My Favorite Shamblee with her husband Brandle. Been wanting
to do this for a long time. It's a pleasure
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(41:25):
the very first time. How are you, Bailey.

Speaker 15 (41:29):
I'm doing great, John, Thank you for having me. And
I got to let your listeners know that it is
because of you that our podcast is called The Favorite Shambley.
Because Brandle saw you earlier this year at Augusta and
I guess you said to him from across the room
or nearby, you know where's my favorite Shamblely? And so
Brandle told me that story. He came back later that evening.

(41:50):
I was in Augusta with him that week, and he said, yeah,
you know this John Patrick, guy blah blah blah, said
you know where's my favorite Shambley. And because we were
discussing starting a podcast, and he said that, and I
was like, oh my gosh, that's it. That's our title,
The Favorite Chambly.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
He made he made he made that story up, No
I doubt it. Well, thank you for that that was
that was very nice. He texted me and mentioned that
to me, and that was very nice. Tell me that
how did how did you get introduced to the game
of golf.

Speaker 15 (42:23):
Yeah, so I grew up in Las Vegas, and I
grew up playing I have two older brothers, so I
played essentially everything other than golf. But my father, he
played collegiate golf in Oklahoma at it escaped me at
the moment, Northern Northeastern State in Oklahoma and in Talliquah,

(42:45):
and so he always wanted me to play golf, but
I just was busy playing basketball and volleyball and soccer,
and I ran track and as a cheerleader and a dancer,
ballet blah blah blah. So I actually have a genetic
degenerative cartilage disorder in both of my knees. And so
I was in my freshman year in high school. I
was playing on the varsity of basketball team, and I

(43:07):
noticed during that year I was fourteen years old, that
my knees they started to just give out. I would
just be walking and then I would collapse to the floor.
So something was clearly wrong, and my parents took me
to the doctor and I was diagnosed with what's called
osteo can drive a step cans And the doctor said,
you know, at fourteen years old, if you want quality

(43:28):
of life just going forward, you know, this is an issue.
It's a degenerative condition, so we can't heal it back
to normal. You'll always have abnormal knees and cartilage issues.
So if you want quality of life going forward, you know,
just think about maybe not playing basketball anymore. That was
my number one sport. So I was an athlete my

(43:49):
whole life, and that was my identity't I could not
be an athlete? So I said, okay, well what sport
can I play that I can play in college and
for the rest of my life. And that was golf.
It became pretty clear pretty quickly, and so my dad
was thrilled, and so my dad taught me how to play.
At fourteen and fifteen years old, I took up golf

(44:11):
and haven't looked back.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
How good did you get?

Speaker 12 (44:15):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (44:16):
I mean, I got a full ride to a Division
I school based on golf money and academic money. How
good did I get? I mean, I think I was
a four handicap is the best I've ever been when
I was in college. But I would say you know,
I'm still I'm still fighting a good fight and trying to,

(44:37):
you know, just make some pars. So I would not
suggest I was ever any good.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Okay. So then so then you get your masters at
Arizona State and journalism, Yeah, what you want to do?

Speaker 15 (44:51):
Well, I was always a good writer. I enjoyed reading
and writing. And my mom she went into accounting and
she was a CFO of a company, but she also
always had like a strong writing English background because she
also wanted to be an English teacher, so she had
both the English and the math. So growing up under

(45:13):
her sort of tutelage, I became interested and was a
decent writer. So I always knew I wanted to go
into journalism. And Old Dominion where I got my undergrad degree,
they didn't have a journalism program and their English department
and you know, creative writing and all that. They had
a very strict policy that if you missed more than
two classes you were automatically failed the semester. Well, as

(45:34):
a golfer, I was obviously going to be gone traveling,
and so I couldn't get an English degree.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
So I got a.

Speaker 15 (45:39):
Communications degree and then I graduated from Old Dominion and
I knew that I wasn't like, I didn't feel fulfilled,
and like I was ready to go chase a job
in journalism, which is what I wanted to do. So
I went immediately and to Arizona State and got a
Master's of Journalism, which was a fantastic program, and I

(46:00):
seen their praises as often as I can, and then
I graduated from ASU with that Masters of Journalism in
December of two thousand and nine, which, as we all know,
is the housing crash crisis. I was freelancing, working a
lot of odds and end's jobs in the golf and
media industry, and I was reaching out to Golf Channel

(46:22):
because that was my That's where I wanted to go.
I didn't want to go to a small market, I
didn't want to get my chops and anyway other than
Golf Channel was the only place I wanted to be.
So I knew some people in the industry. I had
done internships through the PGA Tour for three summers. I
interned at Titleists, at tour headquarters and on the Champions Tour.

(46:42):
One summer I traveled with them on the road. So
I just kept bugging Golf Channel for a year, and
you know, they weren't hiring, and then eventually they brought
me on as a freelancer. And that was in twenty eleven.
I moved to Orlando, so I knew definitively that Golf
Channel was the only place that I wanted to be,
So I kept knocking on their door until they finally

(47:03):
let me.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
We're talking with Bailey Chambly here on the Augusta Golf Show.
You know, the most the most recent thing I saw
you do was Golf's Longest Day back back in June.
How much of that kind of stuff are you.

Speaker 15 (47:15):
Doing so post COVID and and since Golf Channel left
Orlando and moved up to Connecticut and my husband, Branda
and I we moved to Arizona, I'm not doing a
ton of it. I've done, you know, throughout COVID and
during the transition time. You know, I did stuff with
the USGA, and I covered the US Open, and I've

(47:37):
done stuff with the PGA of America. So Golf Channel, yeah,
I'm doing a handful of events throughout the year. They
call me, you know, if and when they need me,
and I'm always happy to go. Still get my you know,
reporter chops in. I love it still, just not doing
a ton of it. But the Golf Song This Day
is such a wonderful event. And I had Matt vote

(47:58):
was my low qualify there and he was, of course,
as many may remember, he was the dentist who grew
up caddying at Oakmont and he qualified at my site
out in Walla Walla, Washington. And so that was a
fun story to cover. And Randle as he was watching,
he wasn't with me there. He was on the road
somewhere and he knew, you know, he was watching Golf

(48:20):
Song's Day on Golf Channel and he kind of knew
what was happening. And he texted me and he was like,
oh my gosh, like you are covering maybe the story
of the whole day. And I was like, Brandal, don't
put that pressure on me. And he's like, no, no,
it's not pressure. He's like, just this is so amazing,
and I was like, yes, it is a wonderful story,
so super fun.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Tell me how a podcast.

Speaker 15 (48:44):
Started, Well, so a couple of things. Our producer Jeane
pet he lives out here in Scottsdale. He's from the
tech world. He was early on I think with Instagram
and he is a member out at TPC Scottsdale, and
so he just came up to Brandle one day a

(49:05):
few years ago on the range, introduced himself that he's
a big fan, you know, blah blah blah. So they
sort of struck up a friendship, Brandal and Gene. And
then Jean has been telling Brandal for years that Brandal
needs to get on TikTok. Well you can imagine, you know,
he's Brandal's now sixty three years old. He's probably not
jumping on TikTok, right, So just they've had conversations over

(49:28):
the years about things that Brandal should be doing more
in the media. And so finally Jean earlier this year
said to Brandal and myself, because we've struck up a friendship,
and he was like, you guys, you too need to
do a podcast. There's nothing else in the space like it.
I'll do all the back end, I'll do all the technology,
I'll bring the microphones, I'll take care of everything, I'll

(49:49):
post it. You too just need to do this. So
he came over to our house after we got back
from the Masters in April and we did our first
one and we've just been off and running about every
two weeks since then, So it was really kind of
Genes pushing us to do it. But We're loving it
and it's growing and I'm so excited for this project

(50:12):
and for its future.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
What is the satisfaction that you get from doing this.

Speaker 15 (50:17):
Yeah, I'd say just being involved in the golf space.
You know, you asked me how much reporting I'm doing,
so not a ton, and it's just nice to sort
of take ownership of you know, we do. I do
have a unique perspective. I have been covering the game
and in the game and being married to someone like
a Branda Shambly who was a professional golfer. Well, I

(50:40):
guess he still is a professional golfer, but you know,
played on the tour and just the the ins and
outs and the travel and seeing from his perspective and
the things you know behind the scenes and the meetings
and the things that don't always make air, and just
just knowing and having that perspective and just being able to,
I guess, put it to use and share it in
a way that you know, it is safe and fun

(51:03):
and I think is interesting to people. So I'm just
kind of telling telling our stories and talking about golf
and you know, making some jabs and making fun of
Brandle along the way a little bit more well you
know about that.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
And the thing that I truly enjoy about the podcast
is is sort of the behind the scenes look. But
but your co host doesn't seem comfy with all that.

Speaker 15 (51:27):
Well that's the point we're trying to get him. You know,
he always looks so polished on TV, on Golf Channel,
so we're trying to you know, break some layers down
behind the scenes and get him a little a little
out of his comfort zone.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Again. The podcast is my favorite Shambly. She is Bailey Shambly.
I've wanted to do this for a while and I
don't know why I waited to reach out. Thank you
for saying yes to this and I want I want
to do this again.

Speaker 15 (51:52):
Oh thank you, John. Thank you so much for having
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Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
It's time for our Why I Love the Game segment. Now.
It's the portion of the show where somebody tells us
why the game of golf is so important and so
meaningful in their life. This morning, she is captain of
Team USA at next year's Solheim Cup. Our friend Angela

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Stanford tells us why she loves the game of golf.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
I love the game of golf because every day it's
a new challenge. I think you can. You know, when
you feel like you've mastered it, you really haven't.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
And you know you can.

Speaker 15 (56:10):
You can hit.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
It extremely well and not miss a single green all day,
but then you may struggle with cutting so.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
And vice versa.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
So I love it every day it's a new challenge
and I love that. You know, I'm trying to get
better at a game that I'm never going to perfect,
so it's it's going to be a lifelong journey and
I enjoy I just enjoy the challenge. Is that Derek
Bason I playoff?

Speaker 2 (56:36):
There you go. Angela Stanford, captain of next year, is
Team USA at the Solheim Cup and why she loves
the game of golf. That's the show for this morning.
I want to thank my guests, Rex Hoggard and Bailey Chamblie,
and thank you for taking the time to listen. Please
make sure the other members of your foursome know when
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Wallace AND's Son Lawn and Garden Show is coming up next,
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and I will be back Monday morning at five point thirty.
Have a great weekend. Thank you for listening to The

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Augusta Golf Show with John Patrick. I'll see you next time.
Please stay well and please stay safe. So long, bye bye.

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