Augusta Golf Show w/John Patrick - Gary Williams Previews The Ryder Cup

This weekend, Gary Williams from 5 Clubs previews the upcoming Ryder Cup

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show this morning. One focus this morning, one guest this

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morning will dig deep into next week's Ryder Cup. If
you're a fan, you know how big the Ryder Cup is,
arguably the biggest event in men's professional golf. Arguably. Gary Williams,
the host of Five Clubs on Golf Channel and a
friend will be here for the hour this morning to

(03:13):
talk every aspect of the Ryder Cup. We'll talk Scottie, Rory,
Keegan Bryson, everybody. Everything. We got Gary for the hour
this morning. Oh that reminds me to remind you with
the Ryder Cup next week, consuming all the golf oxygen
in the room. We will have a best of show

(03:33):
next weekend and we'll be back in two weeks to
recap the events at Bethpage. Just kind of giving you
a heads up. As always, I will let you know
where to find the golf on TV this weekend, and
there is some golf on TV this weekend. And if
there's time this morning, in our Why I Love the
Game segment, a woman that made some news of her

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own this week, former Solheim Cup Captain, Major Champion Stacy
Lewis will tell us that's why she loves the.

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Game of golf.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
All right, coming up Gary Williams and all things Ryder Cup.
Stay right there. Thank you for being here this morning.
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Speaker 2 (07:55):
Good morning, and welcome back to the Augusta Goolf Show.
I'm John Patrick, Okay. Gary Williams is the host of
Five Clubs, which airs on Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays on
Golf Channel at eight am. The audio is also simulcast
on the PGA Tour Radio Network on Sirius XM Radio.

(08:15):
I'm proud to call him a friend for a multitude
of reasons, and I also happen to think he is
the best at what he does in his space. It
is a pleasure to welcome Gary Williams back to the
Augusta Golf Show. How are you Gary, John?

Speaker 13 (08:30):
My good friend. It's always great to have a chat
with you. It's always great to do it around neat events,
and in this particular case, one one that we pine for,
unlike the rest of the tour schedule, which just goes
around and around and around.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Okay, you bring up pining for this, let me ask him,
what do you look forward to more? A Ryder Cup
or a Master's.

Speaker 13 (08:59):
Masters Because there there are things about that that are
so distinctly different, particular special personal. There's no there's no
experience in sports like the way that you can engage
in not only the event itself, because of the way

(09:21):
you're asked to, you're required to when you're on that land,
it's be with other people, watch which what is in
front of you, as opposed to the device that is
tethered to our hands. Now that that makes it so
particularly special, and you know, I could, I could just

(09:42):
layer on a host of other things. I do love
the Ryder Cup. I mean, I am concerned about about
the behavior of just enough people to kind of ruin
it for a lot of people, But I still love
it because it's different, and that it's confrontational, and that
the format lends itself to friction and discomfort, which is

(10:03):
part of sports.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Did you ever hear I did? Did you ever hear
stories when it was speculated that Tiger years ago would
captain this team at beth Page that he didn't want
to do it because of the ancillary things at Bethpage.

Speaker 13 (10:22):
Yeah, I think I didn't hear that particular part. I
can't say that I did. I do know that they
went way down the road with him about captaining this team,
and that there was a lot of people who thought
he was going to in particular because of the appeal

(10:43):
of Seth Law directly to him, who is a friend
to his and the reason why Keigan Bradley. It's not
so much that he was such a surprise, which he was,
but if you look at the timeline, traditionally the captain
of both teams is very much in place before the
timeline that we had with keikon Bradley. That was because

(11:05):
of Tiger, because they were waiting and waiting thinking that
he would eventually commit to do this. I always saw John.
I don't know how you felt. I always thought this
one made far more sentence, even though Tiger won us
open there for Phil so he could be the pie
piper and the grand master on P. T. Barnum and
also made it shows you how much it's changed. I

(11:28):
thought five years ago, certainly seven years ago, this was
a Phil Poulter production that would have made it as
unhinged as it could possibly be, if it could be
any more unhinged than it's going to be.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
I had not heard. I had heard Phil, but I
had not heard Ian at this junction.

Speaker 13 (11:47):
What's your earliest, desperately wanted Bethpage really yes, and he
will be on so Monday. We will have one show
next week similar to the way that we've done it
during major weeks on Golf Channel. Now I'll do the
show for Serious in the morning from eight to nine.
As you were kind enough to mention, we will do
a two hour show from one to three pm Eastern

(12:07):
on Golf Channel Monday, leading right to Live from his
first show from Bethpage. I Pulter will be my first
guest that will be asked of him.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I can promise you what is your earliest true Ryder
Cup memory.

Speaker 13 (12:24):
Wow, that's a great question and a fun one. So
I have I have a mild recollection of eighty three,
not anything specific, and I think a lot of it
I'm leaning on, you know, in particular Landy's webshot with
the lightning strike in the background that you know, kind
of saved the United States. I remember eighty five. I

(12:46):
was a senior in high school, you know, I was.
I was immersed in golf at that point. I was
waiting for the tape away production. It was such a Hodgepodge.
I mean, it was such a weird It was a
USA network. It was a Gary McCord Peter Costas. They were,
you know, like central figures, and they didn't have a big,

(13:08):
you know, broadcast production team. In terms of the voices
and the faces you saw. Eighty five I remember distinctly.
Eighty seven broke my heart, specifically because Ben Crenshaw lost
his singles match to Amon Darcy, putting with a two
iron for the for the balance of the match because
he got angry and BENI his putter, he slammed it

(13:29):
on the ground and was forced to putt with a
two iron. Probably wouldn't have mattered because he never won
his singles matches, because as you know, he's the least
confrontational person who ever play golf.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yep.

Speaker 13 (13:41):
I just don't the competition lent itself to him being
really comfortable.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Had Keegan chose himself for this team, would that be
a total distraction right now?

Speaker 13 (14:00):
I don't know that I would. I would say it
would be the total distraction, but boy, it would be.
It would be consuming a lot of the oxygen of it.
And I think, look, I'm going to tell you that I,
like everybody, was curious if he did do it, and
it has nothing to do with rooting interest. I didn't
think it was whether it was a European captain or

(14:22):
an American captain. I just think that the totality of
the task would would lend itself to him or anybody
else trying to do it to be best at either
if they wanted to do both. There was a great
line I read in an article that was that was
written actually by a Harvard professor who works with the
Navy on leadership and on managing stressful situations. And she

(14:48):
used a line from a Nobel laureate, and the line
is wealth of information creates a poverty of attention. And
his personality, I just don't know. But let's say he
was only going to play the afternoon sessions. First of all,
you that's you're conceding something right there, because you're looking

(15:09):
at him different than you would the other players. So
he's not as as nimble as the other eleven saying no, no,
we can play him in any format at any time.
But let's just say he's just going to play the
afternoon And let's just say he's warming up for his
afternoon four ball match on Friday, and he hears what
you're going to hear there, which are you know, the

(15:30):
silence or the roars. You're telling me that that warm
up session would be total focus. I just I just
thought it would be so much that it would deprive
him of being the best as a player or the
best as a captain to try to you know, satisfy both,
you know, both exercises.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
That's a great point. We're talking with Gary Williams here
on the Augusta Golf Show. It does seem to me
that both teams are doing all they can to feel
fully prepared for next week.

Speaker 13 (16:05):
Yeah, I think it's I mean, look at where we
are with this thing. You know, just to go back
to Kingdom for a second, because you know, invoking Arnold's name,
because he was the last playing captain for the United
States of his nineteen sixty three as you know, he
was named the captain in August. He was akin to
being kind of like a chaperone on an afternoon field

(16:29):
trip to a local you know, you know, art institute
for a bunch of eighth graders. That this thing has
become so huge that the European team is not showing
up there the weekend before the week begins. They're showing
up a week before the week before. I mean, it's
it's and I think it's great. I think it's great

(16:51):
that they're there. They're also going to play these these
really ordinary places like Shinnacok and National and Friar said
this is a boys boondog as a preamble to the
Ryder Cup. Yeah, I think that they are. They're doing
all they can. And the other thing John that is great,
and again you're formatt You don't know who's going to

(17:12):
respond well to the environment. Look at all these guys
who are playing really well for both teams. It's great.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Okay, perfect time for a little break. Gary sticking around.
He's the guest for the entire show this morning. But
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Speaker 2 (22:51):
Welcome back to the Augustagolf Show. I'm John Patrick. We're
talking with Gary Williams from Five Clubs and we're talking
all things Ryder. Up, Gary, what did you think of
most of the members of Team USA playing in NAPA
last week?

Speaker 13 (23:08):
I thought it was look. I think that that is
that's something that I think there's merit to. And again,
this is not based on anything other than intuition and observation.
I've always felt, particularly over the last ten to fifteen years,
maybe even a little bit longer, as this thing has
become a monetary monster for the PGA of America, that

(23:32):
the players on the United States team, of course they care,
and of course they try, and of course they're proud.
But I've always felt that there was this kind of
undercurrent of obligation as they look at this cash cow
that this thing has become. And even though the PGA
Tour owns twenty percent of it, I look at the
European side of it, and I always feel an overwhelming

(23:56):
sense of privilege. And there's a hell of a boat
between obligation and privilege. And so I think that plays.
It doesn't mean that you know you're better from five
to seven feet, because it's not something that you're consciously
aware of. But I do think that all those guys
going to NAPA, I think it's representative of them having

(24:17):
a tremendous amount of affection and appreciation for the commitment
that Keegan Bradley has put in to his role as
the captain for them to all go out there to
play in this event, and some of them knowing that
the inactivity that they had between the Tour Championship and
Rome in twenty twenty three, it factored. It factored, So

(24:38):
I thought it was great.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Do you think it was hard for Keegan to get
everyone to agree to play it?

Speaker 13 (24:45):
Probably not. I'd like to believe No. Again, if look
for every rookie that's on the team, you're going they're
dying lousey. They'll do whatever they can. They're like, you know,
puppies with their tongues hanging out going throw the again.
I swear I'll go fetch it. They'll do whatever they're
asked of them. But I also think that I really

(25:06):
believe that, even though he's not a particularly demonstrated person,
that Scotty Scheffler has taken moments to express his own
righteousness about certain things, and I think he is a
great leader by merely his methodology on how he goes
about things. And if the best player in the world,
who is the best player in the world by a

(25:27):
big margin, is immediately committed to this, how could you
not express of course, we'll all be there. So I'd
like to believe they didn't. And I don't think that
he I don't think he had any kind of guys
going yeah, I don't know, maybe maybe no. I think
they all said, no, we're doing this.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
You know, Gary, I know we parse everybody's game coming
into a Ryder Cup, But do you think it's possible
to have that experience ramp up your game?

Speaker 13 (26:02):
Boy? What an interesting question, I think. I think one
of the reasons why this thing is challenging for people
to understand, you know, why we get the results that
we've gotten, And part of it is because people who
try to analyze this thing and handicap this thing are
relying on a lot of data that is based on

(26:25):
an entirely different format in what is overwhelmingly an entirely
different environment, which is a meandering seventy two hole stroke
play aggregate total, which represents who the best players in
the world are. And then you get to this and
it's not that. And not only is it not that

(26:45):
you're then tethered to somebody in two different formats over
the core course of the first two days. And then
finally the last element, which is real, is that you
know this that golf tournaments, the first t is not
supposed to sound like the fun at lambeau Field when
the packers run out there before the kickoff, but this

(27:05):
is and it's disorienting and it can be discomforting. And
that's why I think sometimes experience in terms of who's
been there, it's like, what is your experience? Is your
experience winning experience? So for the United States for all
those years where it's like, wow, look at that Jim
Ferick's on his sixteen and Davis Loves on his seventh
team and guess what, they've lost five of those seven times.

(27:29):
So that's why I've said this a lot about this,
and it's backed up by the data. Is rookies have
fared exceptionally well in this competition over the last quarter century.
If you look at the European team, even though overall,
their rookies have their fifty six, sixty seven, and twenty six,
but if you add those half points, they've won more

(27:51):
than they've lost. The United States rookies again not saddled
with the experiences of losses seventy three point fifty nine
and thirty one. That's really really good. And that's Homeman
on the road. So I think that that rookies. It's
it's like, do you are you gonna farewell on this?

(28:11):
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guys who've showed up and they're like, oh my god,
look at these guys. Tony Fenaw in Paris in twenty eighteen,
reading Speeds on the road in twenty fourteen, and there
are there are. I've got a whole list of other
guys who've played. Justin Thomas in Paris for one, and
oh Tommy Fleetwood in twenty eighteen for one, and oh

(28:32):
brooks Kepka three to one, and oh Thomas Peters on
the road in a blowout loss at Hazel team four
and one.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Rookies do very well on this, so okay, So give
me a player on both teams either side who you
think will shine.

Speaker 13 (28:50):
Well since Europe don't have any rookies other than Rasmus,
who essentially is his brother, so he kind of had
a half expence because Nickel I was on the team.
That's the other cool thing John to me anyway, that
this team that beat the United States and then Rory
laid down the marker in Rome right after it saying
we're going to bet page or winning, and little did

(29:12):
we know that eleven of the twelve guys who are
on that team or on this team, and that's never
happened before. There has never been a team from either
side that took eleven guys from the previous team. The
only time it happened where there were ten was Great
Britain and Ireland in seventy one and seventy three when
they got blown out in both affairs by the United States.
So there are no rookies. Rasmus is the only one.

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I think he should be fine. I'll tell you who
I think for the United States. Look, I feel pretty
good about Ben Griffin. I feel pretty good about Cam
Young for not only obviously form but stylistically on that
golf course, his own personal history on that golf course.
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(29:58):
Russell Henley for a couple of reasons. He's in a
different place. He's never been as good a player as
he is currently. And I also think that he is
going to play Friday Morning with Scotty Shuffler. That's a
pretty good guy to be in lockstep with, you know,
Sam Burns, maybe with Scotty in the other format. I

(30:18):
think Russell Henley's going to play very well in this.
And I also think, like Scheffler, he's an athlete. He
was the guy that you know when he was playing
high school basketball, I was like, you got to guard
the guy who is the best scorer on the other team,
and he would say, yeah, I want that, I want
that assignment. I think he wants this assignment. I think
Henley's going to be really good.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Let me ask you about Bryson and John Rahm. How
do you think they think about this? Do you think
they think they've gotten the money from Live and they
get to play on the Ryder Cup or does the
Ryder Cup just make both of them miss all of
this more.

Speaker 13 (31:01):
I think it's possible that it can be both. I
think there's no doubt that that, you know, Brentson's kind
of a different study because he has gathered this really interesting,
youthful audience that he has this real, like tangible engagement with,
so he he's getting satisfied, like in a stimulating way

(31:24):
from this this alternate audience that he's created away from
and even though lived to their credit. Look, I'm not
I haven't been to one of their events. I'm not avoiding,
I just haven't. They've had some weeks where they had
a good, you know, kind of boisterous environment there. But yeah,
I do think Look, I think they both miss the

(31:44):
opportunity to compete against the best players, not only in
terms of looking at Scheffer and Rory, but also in
depth as well. But as it pertains to the other
part of it, it's interesting. I think the European touris
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(32:05):
Saudi Arabia keep kicking the can down the road as
it pertains to these fines that have been levied, and
the Public Investment Fund has said without equivocation that they
are not going to pay these fines after this ryder Cup.
Now that means, okay, where's this all going? And not
only for the Tyrrelhaddens and the John Rahms who potentially

(32:28):
may not be on the side in twenty twenty seven.
I'd like to believe resolution will come before then, but
also John probably these presumptive European Ryder Cup captains like
Ian Poulter and Lee Westwood and Graham McDowell and Sergey
or Garcia, who we knew at some point we're going
to get the nod, like when is that going to

(32:49):
get resolved? And as it pertains to Bryson and kind
of his vibe, I don't know how his teammates feel
about him, but I don't think if they had any
kind of like looking at him kind of cock eyed,
it has anything to do with him being on Live.
I thought that friction a couple of years ago was
far more palatable than it palpable than it is now.

(33:09):
But Kepka was kind of he was part of that
that bro network from Jupe life that it didn't matter.
They all liked him, so it wasn't like it was
you took the money and you know, we're going to
hold our nose and you'll be on the team with Bryce.
And I think it's more of them wondering as the
opposer and is all of this just you know, just
performative art to monetize, you know, him being quote now

(33:33):
that the young People's champion. I think it's more that
than live.

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Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
We are continuing our conversation with Gary Williams, host of
Five Clubs. We're talking about the Ryder Cup. Okay, Gary,
if we lose, if Europe wins on foreign soil, will
we overreact?

Speaker 13 (39:00):
Oh? One hundred percent? Okay, yeah, because, as you know,
the one thing and this has been unfortunate for the competition,
but we get past it because you know, it's different
and it's cool, and it's it's it's entertaining. But here's
the truth. We've been staring at blowouts here for the

(39:23):
last decade, and and you know, it looked like we
were we were going to have you know, basically from
twenty twelve on it looked like it was going to
be blowouts. And then and then from ten to four
late on a Saturday, Madonna became ten to six. And
then the greatest hell may are ever completed on on
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(39:47):
twenty one, twenty three, all blowouts and the home teams.
It's weird, John, how golf suddenly possesses the greatest home
field advantage in sports? Like what? That makes no sense?
But it's just simply true. And you know, the average
margin has been seventeen eleven by these home teams starting
in twenty fourteen. I don't think that's going to be

(40:09):
the case. But no, whatever the result will be, even
if Europe simply gets a tie and retains it, it'll
be a total We need to deconstruct the entire model
and rebuild it again. Yes, you're going to get that,
even though I'm certain of one thing. In twenty twenty seven,
as much as I think I can be Tiger will

(40:32):
be the American captain at Celtic manor or part me
a dare manor. So that is not going to be like,
well we need to search high lowe. Maybe we need
to get a captain from another sport, which I think
is totally acidinine. Yes. Yes, If the United States loses,
please don't rebrand the task Force with like the super

(40:52):
task Force whatever you want to call whatever committee you
create if they do lose, don't make it like anything
that includes the word force.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
What what is Give me your favorite if you can
call up one your favorite Ryder Cup memory?

Speaker 13 (41:15):
You know, this one to me embodies why it's it's one,
it's so neat uh and two it is representative of
something that my father imparted upon me when I was
a teenager, and I didn't fully grasp what he meant

(41:36):
by this, but he said to me that collective achievement
is one of life's greatest rewards, and in this sport,
that is not available for these people who pursue this
at the highest level, for men and women, they do
it alone. It's you know, it's and even though they
you know, they use this term team when it comes

(41:57):
to Caddy and physios and you know, headshrinkers and all that.
My favorite moment is nineteen ninety five at the edge
of the eighteenth Green after Europe had beaten the United
States and what was a gut wrenching loss for Landy
Watkins seeing you know, his captain's pick, Curtis Strange not

(42:21):
being able to make a four on the last loses
to Faldo. And here is Sebi Biosteros, who is the
ultimate life force of European Ryder couple of war in
the twilight of his career and in his time he
would then be the captain two years later with the

(42:41):
iciest individual in the sport, Nick Faludo. And what are
they doing. They have their cheeks in each other's hands, weeping, weeping,
looking at each other from about six inches away. That's it,
that's the Ryder Cup.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
You know, we're so close. I almost thought when you
started to give me your answer, you were going to
go where I went, and I would have gone to
Rory at Whistling Straits, a very similar scenario.

Speaker 13 (43:15):
Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, And that's look. Whatever, however, something
started for whatever reason. Some people have this this odd
stubbornness about saying it's always what it once was. Most
things are not what they once were. Virtually everything is

(43:37):
different from what it was when it became what it became,
you know, starting with marriages and the Ryder Cup. Yes,
it was. It was intended by Samuel Ryder to be
a good will exhibition between a couple of continents trying
to understand how much, you know, those particular societies could

(43:59):
hit take an interest in participating in the sport of golf.
It's long since been that it is a white hot,
bare knuckle rock fight between guys who have, you know,
great affection for each other. And I think it's more
jovial and kind of fraternal than it was thirty forty
years ago, when the United States didn't know the European

(44:21):
players nearly as well. Like I said, many of the
Europeans are part of that you know, that Jupe life,
but it doesn't matter for these three days. It's a
white hot, intense competition that makes guys like Rory McElroy
weep because he feels like he's failed his side.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Okay, you're you're a big fan of asking left field questions.
Favorite Robert Redford movie, Wow.

Speaker 13 (44:54):
Let me just tell you that this one really his
passing really got to me. And it's not like you know,
it's asking is shocking. The man had eighty nine years
of life, you know that, you know, led a life
in a really particularly dignified way. He, by the way,
lived in the town that my wife grew up in.

(45:15):
So did Paul Newman. I love Redford, love him, always have.
I have great affection for The Natural because because you know,
my dad was a baseball player, and that was my
first love. I love that movie. I thought Robert Duvall
was he was so good as the sports writer in

(45:37):
that movie. But I will tell you that The Sting.
The Sting is a great movie, and and it's a
great movie because the cast is so damn good. But
he and Newman are so great, and Robert Shaw all
of it. The Sting is number one. But I have
you know again, but Castine as sun Band's kid is.

(45:59):
I could go on, but him, he was. He was
a great American movie star, one of.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
The last, one of the last, one of the last,
one of the last movie stars.

Speaker 13 (46:13):
And here's the other thing, John, is that he was
a great American movie star who who was so committed
to all of those who loved to dream about being
movie makers. And that's why sun Dance will always be
his most important and lasting imprint on you know that medium,

(46:36):
because again he's one of the great American movie stars.
But he was not a flake, He was not aloof
He was engaged with the people who dreamed about just
making movies.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Will you forgive me that I've never watched The Natural?

Speaker 13 (46:56):
Wow? God, that smart for me to believe.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
I just gary sports movies. I just I struggle with
sports movies.

Speaker 13 (47:04):
Here's the thing about it, Like Costner, and that's why
that's why Tin Cup it lost me literally the opening scene.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Never seen it either, Well, you.

Speaker 13 (47:17):
Have missed nothing. And the same guy who did Bull Durham,
which I think is a terrific movie. Uh, did Tin Cup?
I just thought it was? It was hacky, hokey h
Costner's golf swing was atrociousness. There we got Costner and
and Redford could swing a bat with competency. And Robert
Redford played baseball. Robert Redford went to the University of

(47:40):
Colorado to play the game of baseball. So again I
I uh, And it's again I the nostalgic part of it.
My father had a number of wonderful black and white photos.
And he you know, he's a Mickey Mantle guy. But
you know, in my dad's office he had a lot
of great photo is one of my favorite photos, the

(48:02):
photo of Babe Ruth sitting in a in a you know, decrepit,
weathered dugout wearing a Derby hat in a in a
trench coat on a winter's day, and and and you
know that was a photo that my dad had in
his office. So that that that movie was shot in
a way that makes me very nostalgic to things that

(48:25):
that are intensely personal to me. I would encourage you
to watch it. I will, I will, because there are
a lot of great performances, Like I said, Duval spectacular
as a sports writer.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Do we give Redford a pass on the legend of
Bagger Vance?

Speaker 13 (48:47):
I think here's here's the thing. I think he had
good intent. And I also, again I'm compassionate and I
have empathy because it is I don't know if it
was his fine, but it was close to Jack Lemon's
final credit. So the fact that he was the aging

(49:10):
character played by Matt Damon and he's the one walking
down that fairway. Here's where again you lose me Damon's
golf swing. And I know something about it because one
of my dearest friends is very close with Matt and
he was with him as he tried to kind of
crash course away. To swing a golf club in thirty
days in a major motion picture, that's not achievable. And
here's the other part where I really struggle. I'm sorry.

(49:32):
Golf courses that were filmed at Kiwa Island is not
what golf looked like in the late twenties. So yeah,
it's not it's not good.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
We are so spoiled. We are such we are.

Speaker 13 (49:49):
We're spoiled, we're snobbish, but at least we're honest a
possibly we feel it's true.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
That's true. He is Gary Williams, host of Five Clubs.
It is on Golf Channel Mondays, Tuesdays Wednesdays, also simulcast
on PGA Tour Radio. Sirius XM. You know, I always
appreciate this. Have a great week next week. Thank you
for so much time this morning. Gary, we'll talk again.

Speaker 13 (50:13):
Thank you, my friend. Always a pleasure.

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