May 23, 2025 • 58 mins
This weekend, Taylor Zarzour recaps the PGA Championship. Peter Kessler on just how many major championships Jack Nicklaus has and Kay Cockerill previews the 2025 US Women's Open
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Didn't have a happy childhood, child of divorce, didn't have
a lot of effection from her parents, kind of lived
between divided family and teammates. Sure Tiger had all her
love all the time, and Tigers that way with his kid.
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Tell you about the show this morning. We are jampacked.
We're gonna start by recapping last week's PGA Championship. We
will start with Taylor's Arzer. Taylor anchored the coverage of
the championship on PGA Championship Radio on SiriusXM. By the way,
Taylor is also a member at Quail Hollow. Taylor's ARSA
will join us in just a couple of minutes. Then
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we'll have our conversation with Peter Kessler. Peter joins us
after major championships to lend his perspective to the proceedings.
And then finally, this morning, we'll look ahead to next
week's US Women's Open. NBC's Kate Cockrel will be there,
but she will be here this morning to preview next
week's event. As always, I will let you know where
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to find the golf on TV this weekend, and if
we have time this morning, in our Why I Love
the Games segment, our friend two time major champion David Graham,
who celebrated his seventy ninth birthday yesterday, will tell us
why he still loves a game of golf. Okay, coming up,
Kay Cockrel and Peter Kessler. But first Taylor's Arzer recapping
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Good morning, and welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show.
I'm John Patrick. Taylor's Arser anchored the coverage of the
PGA Championship on PGA Championship Radio on Sirius XM. Taylor
is also a member at Quail Hollow and starting this season,
he's the voice of the Tennessee Titans. Pleasure to welcome
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Taylor's Arser back to the Augusta Golf Show. How are
you Taylor?
Speaker 6 (07:30):
John in Nashville looking at the Titans practice facility right now.
We have the OTA's going on right now. Mini camp
starts in a few weeks and then late July training
camp starts. So I'm trying to get into football mode.
I did eight straight weeks of golf tournaments and now
I'm trying to switch hats here. But what an amazing
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week that was. Having a home game was sort of surreals.
You don't really ever dream of having a major championship
on the of course, you play all the time, but
that was a heck of a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
What surprised you about that whole experience? Of it being
at your home club.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Yeah, you know, I dreamed of going to the Masters
and calling the Masters, or going to the Rose Bowl
or you know, going to Madison Square Garden or Fenway Park,
you know places like that. I guess I just didn't
realize that I would have such special feeling for something
like that happening, and I did. It was I guess
the amount of pride I had, and just the membership
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and the city and it's support of the event and
just how well it went off. I think it's really hard, John,
when you other than Augusta National, for any other course
to be played every year like they do at Quail Hollow,
and it'd be a PGA Tour event nine out of
ten times, and then it'd be a major championship the
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other time. There's probably going to be a little bit
of fatigue, you know, across the country with just seeing
Quail Hollow every single year year. But from an audience standpoint,
from an on course support standpoint, spectator standpoint, community support,
it was off the charts. It was terrific and I
was really really proud of just how everything turned out.
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And you know, I am as as you said, I'm
going to spend a lot of time in Nashville moving forward,
but that place will always have a huge piece of
my heart.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
How often do you get to play a lot?
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Well, actually I played the day after. I don't know
that I regret playing the day after, But my goodness,
I've never seen the rough like that, and I think
they've cut it down since Monday, thankfully. But if I
don't have a golf tournament or you know, a football
game or an assignment, if I have a week where
I'm at home, I'll play, you know, twice maybe, and
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then you know, it'll go a few weeks without playing,
and I'll come back and play, you know, two or
three times, and so it's it's a and then it's
not at all, and then it's a lot and it's
not at all. So obviously that's not really really good
for a good short game. But we have such a
great member experience there. I mean, I have truly, like
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over one hundred great friends that I speak to every
day that I've made through that place, And you know,
I think that's what a great golf club is all about.
So I love going there and having that experience. And
I also say from my teas, probably your tea's as well.
You know, sixty four hundred yards. It's a it's a
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playable golf course. I have no interest in going back
to the seventy six hundred yard tees that those guys played,
but yeah, no, it is. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Speaking of those guys, how do you describe what we're
saying with Scotty?
Speaker 6 (10:51):
You know there are If I were to mention the
most talented players on the PGA Tour, I probably could
easily come up with ten guys that have more talent
than he does. Or if I were to say, if
everybody is playing their best, who's the best, I would
say Rory McElroy. I would certainly say him over Scotty.
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But the guy's ability to his I've never seen somebody's
B game or when they don't have their best, be
as good as Scotty's is. Tiger Woods included when Tiger
Woods wasn't comfortable on the tee, I mean he could
hit it fifty yards right, fifty yards left. Scotty Scheffler,
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when he's not comfortable on the tee, hits the smart
shot to the correct side of the hole, the correct
side of the green, and he might be five yards
away from where he was aiming, but he always gives
himself a better chance at recovering from the I guess
mistake he just made. I just his consistency, his ability
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to execute each shot is truly unlike anything I've ever
seen in the game. You know, I didn't get to
see Jack Nicholas in his prime, but I guess that
probably maybe Hogan or Nicholas would be the closest thing
to what we're seeing with Scheffler. Just ability to execute
shot after shot after shot, and we really haven't in
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this generation we did that. Tiger Woods's talent is above
all else. I'll argue that with anybody. I think he's
the most talented guy to ever play the game. But
Tiger missed more shots than Scotty does, and it really is.
It's just extraordinary how he can stay in the moment.
What he did Saturday, playing those last five holes in
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five under par was extraordinary. But he never until that
last putt went in, He never let any emotion come
out of him. He always thought about what was next.
I was more impressed John with Sunday, not having his
best stuff through those nine holes and being able to
gather himself on the tenth tee and then go win
the golf tournament after he was tied to the lead,
and that whole that five shot lead had evaporated over
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the course of a few holes, just to be able
to play the next shot and not think about the
emotion of the last shot. I mean, there's a lot
to learn there. There's a lot to admire about that.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
We're talking with Taylor Zarzer here on the Augusta Golf Show.
I mean, he's gone on to win the last eight
times he's had that fifty four whole league kind of
sounds like someone else we knew, don't.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
It he had?
Speaker 6 (13:24):
Does I guess why e Yang excluded?
Speaker 8 (13:27):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yes, So I assume with everything that you said, do
you see any reason why he won't contend at Oakmont?
Speaker 8 (13:39):
He's the guy.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Yeah, he listened. I mean the next few weeks, obviously
we can. I'm sure our opinions may vary a little
bit or could change a bit. I would expect Bryce
and to Shamba to be a factor. I you know,
Xanderschoftley and some others. I think that you know, all
of a sudden, form is a fickle thing, you know,
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and sometimes you have it. Sometimes you don't. In the
next few weeks, there could be a player or two
that emerges that we really need to consider. But I'd
be shocked if Scotty Scheffler shows up healthy at Oakmont
and he's not a factor. Just based on the things
that we just said, I think it sets up perfectly
for him. And if that happens, John suddenly we go
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to Port Rush and Scotty Scheffler is trying to complete
the career of Grand Slam. For as much talk as
we've given Jordan Speith and Phil Micholson who still are
trying to do that, and as much talk as we've
given Rory McElroy for completing it, how crazy would it
be if we have another player Scheffler who would have
a chance to do that at some point this year. No,
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he absolutely is the guy to be going in there.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, you know, if we play out your plan, he
comes to the Masters with the chance at the Scotty Slam.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Yeah, I don't like his chances. I rush as much
as I do at Oakmont or at the PGA or
at the Masters. I had a conversation with him last
year at Troon in the interviews that we do before
the tournament starts, and I said, do I have a
better chance of playing better over here than I do
back home? And he said yes. He said, you're a mistake.
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He says, if you can keep it out of the gorse,
your mistakes are neutralized over here. And I said, okay, Well,
does that mean that there are more people that have
a chance to win this event than do other majors
in the States And he said yes. He said, you know,
because of bounces and because of just the link style golf.
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You know, a great shot maybe isn't as rewarded as
it would be at Oakmont or at Quail or at
Augusta National. And so for those reasons, John, I can't say,
you know, no matter how well Scotty is playing, going
into Port Rush, I can't say he's going to go
over there and absolutely he's the guy to beat. I
think it's a really different situation. And certainly if the
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elements are a factor, then that's another thing to consider too.
So I'm not ready to go there yet at Port Rush,
but you're right, if that does happen, we come back
to Augusta next year for the Scotty Slam. This is
a really fun time in the game. I hope we
get Scotty versus Rory somewhere. You know, we've got we
at least going into the final round. And for a
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while in the final round in Augusta, we had Rory
versus Bryson. I guess to some degree we got Scotty
versus Bryson, though John rom was certainly in the middle
of that at Quail Hollow. But how much fun would
it be to get Scotty versus Rory in one.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Of these What did you make of Rory's complicated week?
Speaker 6 (16:44):
So the first thing I would say is in the
last conversation that he had with anyone that week, it
was with me on Wednesday, and he was in great
spirits and I said to him, I said, you know,
I don't have to ever ask you again about resetting
after a heartbreak. Now I'm gonna ask you had to
reset after the biggest win of your life. And he
took a big, deep breath and he said, it isn't easy.
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He's like, you know, there's a big part of me
that wants to keep celebrating what just happened. It's the
greatest thing that ever happened in my professional career, and
nothing will ever top it, and you know, resetting and
trying to figure out what's next and what I want
my goals to be is something that I'm still going through.
The guy loves to compete. I think he wants to
be number one in the world again. He loves the game,
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he loves the history of the game. So I think
he will be able to do that John, But I
think that he was still in recovery mode from winning
the Masters. I think that, and we've seen that with
a number of players, So the overwhelming majority of major
championship winners, we've seen that happen to them, and it
takes a while to come off of that cloud. So
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I think that that was a factor. You know, I
do think that the non conforming driver issue that he had,
Scotty had, that the number of players had. I think
that was a bigger hit to Rory than it probably
was to some others, just because of how big of
an advantage he has off of the t and even
if you put exactly the same club in his hands
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that he was using, there's just going to be an
adjustment factor there where it's going to take days, you know,
not a day, but days, if not weeks all of
a sudden to be comfortable with that new club, So
I think that that was a factor too. But more
than anything, John, I think it's just this was too
quick of a bounce back for him after the emotion
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that he had and all of us had watching him
win at Augusta National. I think that that was the
biggest reason why he wasn't a factor at Quail where.
You know, obviously he's dominated through the years, but I
don't think we've seen the last of Rory McElroy this year.
I think that it wanted these majors and certainly and
a number of big tournaments to come this year, I
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think Rory will be a factor again.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Taylor's oarser. He is the voice of PGA Tour Radio
on Sirius XM and the voice the Tennessee Titans. Taylor,
thank you for taking the time to do this. I
know you've got to run back out to your OTAs.
When you say we're at OTAs, you mean they're at
OTAs well.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
The Tennessee Titans are at OTAs. Yes, but our Titans
radio team is here too, Okay, Yes, we're out here today. John,
You're a great teammate man. We love that our call
is on your radio station there for the Masters each year,
and I'm already counting down the days to next April.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well, let's give it some time. There you go, that's
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Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
My friend. Peter Kessler is an award winning broadcaster and
golf historian. He joins US after the major championships to
lend his thoughts in perspective on what occurred. It's a
pleasure to welcome Peter Kessler back to the Augusta Golf Show. Hi, Peter,
how are you?
Speaker 8 (25:07):
I am well, I'm always glad to hear your voice
and I'm delighted to be with you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, thank you for saying yes to this. Now we
may get to the PGA Championship, but there's something, there's
a topic that has come up in the last couple
of weeks. Then I wanted to get your thoughts on.
There are very few people with your knowledge of the
history of the game, and we might be able to
get into some of the reasons why the numbers are
the way they are. But in your opinion, Peter, should
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Jack Nicholas have twenty major championships with his US Amateur?
Should Tiger have eighteen?
Speaker 8 (25:44):
It's not even should they already do? And here's you're
here some concrete evidence. In nineteen ninety six, Jack wrote
a doubt book and right up front it to be right.
In the first page kind of thing. He mentions, you know,
and then I've won twenty major championships right away in
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print still exists. Can't think of the name of the book,
but it's there, and that's when it was published, twenty
major championships. But when Tiger then won his third that
same year and then came out on the tour, and
Jack saw what Tiger was and that Tiger had three
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his two, he decided all of a sudden, now he
only had eighteen major championships, so Tiger would be one behind.
It was absolutely the most out of character gesture by Jack.
You know, it's a funny thing because all great athletes
and people who are great in what they do all
have well at least at the very least to help
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the ego. But sometimes they're insecure and datistical. Two. And
that was Jack being insecure. We're in a case like
Bobby Jones, if he was going to say something that
was out of character for him, it would be much
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classier and less nonsense. You don't just switch from twenty
to eighteen. I mean, that was a really bad gesture,
just like Arnald endorsing an illegal tob eleven two thousand,
a really bad decision. To make so Jones pretty much
the only one of the only times he ever acted
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out of character total humble was he once said, well,
if you just keep shooting bars at them, eventually they
all cracked. That's as close as he came to an
egotistical remark. He knew how great he was. You know,
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just like a great looking woman or a great looking
guy looking at the RR you know you're looking good.
If you're good at what you do. You know, it
doesn't mean you have to talk about it or be conceited.
But they're all conceited. Is just a question of do
you display any of that? So, yes, that's a clear
cut no brainer. In writing the mid nineties and twenty majors,
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and then all of a sudden it slipped down to
eighteen when Tiger won his third, and maybe it was
when Tiger won the Masters in next year by five
hundred shots. You know, it was right in that time
frame when Jack went and had a reaction to it.
It was not only had a character, but it wasn't
very honest.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Well, so does the historian in you, Peter, think we
should count the US amateur still as a major.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
Only if you win a professional major. To validate it
as such. When I was talking to Arnold and he
you know, and I've given him at oh, I remember
what it was. We were playing a match at bay
Hill against three other guys and we were just clambering
them and I had a shot to that pin at
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bay Hill on eighteen And everybody knows that they play
on Sunday on the right front of the green and
very shallow from the front of that to the back bunker,
and in front it slopes down towards the rocks and
the water. So it's a little like the twelfth that
Augusta National. The whole thing is shallow. It's just one
club beat, but only on the right side of the
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pin on when it's on the right side on eighteen
is it shallow at bay Hill? So but basically the
only time that day, Arnold goes, what are you going
to hit here? And I said, I'm going to hit
a seven irons and he said it plays a little
longer than you think. Go with the six, and I said, okay.
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So I hit the seven and I hit it as
good as I possibly could, and it came up short
and he race got jumped out of the cart, raced
over grabbed the club out of my hand, took a
look at the bottom of it, saw that it was
the seven, and he goes, you know, I won seven majors, right,
And I said, actually eight, Arnold, because the US amateur counts,
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because if you then win pro majors, your amateurs count.
And then later he and I would agree that the
amateurs counted. Really through the Jack Nicholas error, which is
right after that. One of the interesting things about, you know,
the PGA is that Scotty is a full generation behind
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Rory in age by eight years, so you don't think
of the next eight years. He's gonna win enough stuff,
including two more majors, to eclipse Rory, and he'll be
he will be the next great player after Tiger. It's
not Rorke, and he will be the best player of
his time, including all the time that Rory has been
on tour. I digress. But in Jack's day, the top
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amateurs were just about as good as the top pros.
You know, you had Harvey Ward and then can VENTURII
for a while. I mean, you know, there were guys
who were, you know, finishing second to Hogan and majors
who were amateurs. So it was the Amateur was a
major from inception in nineteen ninety five, clearly through the
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Nicholas era, and and anybody subsequent who would go ahead
and win the amateurs an amateur and then validate it
with a pro major. That's how that's how it counts.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
And you know.
Speaker 8 (31:40):
So so yes, you have to win a pro major
and then the US Amateur it is isn't is a major.
But if he won one through the Nicholas era, he
won one from you know, from nineteen ninety five to
nineteen sixty one, when Jack won a second one, those
count You don't have that didn't need.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
A validate We're talking with Peter Kessler here on the
Augusta Golf Show. Is the media to blame for the
for the US Amateur no longer being a major and
we made the other four tournaments majors.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
I think that because he ran into a period of
guys who didn't go on like Jack did and already
did too, to have you know, great careers, that it
became a less interest. And it was clear that the
winners of the US Amateur after Jack started to become
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significantly less of a good player than a Nicholas or
a Farmer or Jones or Francis we met. The quality
dropped except for Jason, you know, who went on to
have an interesting career as a professional. But other than Jay,
(33:03):
I mean, yeah, that it was just because the quality lapsed,
and then they disappeared from the scene. So it became
of less interest to the media. As opposed to the
media making some kind of a decision. They right about
what's interesting, it became less interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Okay, we only have a minute or so left. Give
me your thoughts about Scotty and Oakmont and looking forward
to Oakmont.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
I think he's gonna I think he's gonna win. I
think his game is best suited to Oakland of any
player on the tour. And it's funny, he's like seventy
seventh and driving distance, but you know, he's first and
everything in my mind from that point forward, and so
you know, it's a little like you know, Jack used
to say that power during his day was twenty percent
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of the game, and now it's eighty percent of the game.
You know, in Scotty's case, his power, he was twenty
percent of his game personally, not the tour, but he
is so good from there on in I mean his
playing with Rory last Thursday and Friday was an embarrassment
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for Rory McRory. Part of the reason he didn't show
up for the media interviews is because he just got crushed.
If he chipped it, it was to seven feet, Scott
he chipped it it was to one foot. There wasn't
anything that Scotty didn't do better than Rory after a
t shot on a far four or a part five
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in which and Scotty was hitting thirteen of the fairway,
so it didn't matter that that he had to hit
a little extra club. It was still all short irons
they got. Of course, still played six or seven, six
or seven hundred yards shorter than one would have liked,
so that he actually have some real second shots. So
I think the same thing is going to be true. Ok,
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the second shots are short if you're in the fairway.
For a great player like Scottie Shep, they hit seven
iron twit or fifteen yards. So Scotty Shepler, especially around
the greens, he's the man. He is so good. His
touch is so unbelievable. He hits so many little shots
right next to the hole that looks like they're going
to go in and he's you know, he could have
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given Rory to a sorry both days and beat him handling.
I believe that Scotty's gonna win that and Port Rush.
I don't see why you wouldn't win that either, and
then Rory's career Slam goes bye bye. It's Scotty winsby
Grand Slam one year Tiger Slam goes away too.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
He is Peter Kessler, noted golf historian, award winning broadcaster
and a good friend. Peter, thank you for this. I
appreciate it, and we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
I look forward to it.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Thank you, Peter. There you go, It's Peter Kessler. While
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Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
K Cockrell is a two time women's amateur champion. She
will be at Aaron Hills next week covering the US
Open for NBC. It's a pleasure to welcome K Cockrell
back to the Augusta Golf Show.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
How are you kay?
Speaker 10 (41:30):
I'm doing great, John, How are you you know?
Speaker 2 (41:32):
I'm good, I'm good. Thank you for saying yes to this.
I know it's getting to be busy. Uh Okay. Aaron Hills,
big piece of property. We've seen it, We've seen it
host to US Open. Are you curious to see how
the women taken on?
Speaker 10 (41:47):
I am?
Speaker 8 (41:48):
I am.
Speaker 10 (41:49):
I love the fact that the USGA is really making
a concerted effort to get the women playing the big
golf courses, the historic courses that the men have primarily played.
And it's neat to see the women come on to
these properties and then people tune in and they remember
the courses like Pebble of Course, an Olympic Club and
(42:10):
now Aaron Hills. To see how you know a little
compare and contrast to what the men have done there.
And I think it's so fun for people to recognize
a golf course and see what the women are able
to do with it.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
But they don't usually play something this expansive or something
this wide open, do they.
Speaker 10 (42:34):
No, it's an unusual golf course. I had the luxury
of playing it in twenty and twelve. However, it was
during a very abnormal heat wave that had spread over
that region, and actually my husband and I played it
in route to going up to black Wolf Run in
twenty twelve, where the US Women's Open was returning, and
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it was one hundred degrees out there, and there's like
two trees and there are just four esthetics up on
the top of a knoll or a mound was it
was brutally hot. And funny thing is that whether this week.
I think they're expecting a high of fifty or fifty
two this entire week, and it's going to get better
(43:21):
next week, but it's not going to be a heat wave.
It'll be in the sixties, maybe reach seventy degrees. So
you know, I was thinking about the expansiveness and looking
and rethinking the golf course and looking at a few
of the video flyovers, and the women are so accurate
off the tea. And they've, funny enough, been playing a
(43:43):
couple of the last tournaments that they've played in Utah
Black Desert and then this week at Mayacoba are extremely narrow.
Black Desert had lava on each side with very tight fairways.
This has jungle with very tight fairwayes. Some of the
fairies this week are sixteen to eighteen yards wide. So
(44:05):
I don't think driving is going to be an issue
for them. At Aaron Hills is going to be about
approach play, how close can you get it to the hole.
And of course the putter, no one, no one can
win a major championship if you're not putting.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Well, you brought this up, so I'm going to test
your golf. Your golf b to Fades twenty twelve. What'd
you make on eighteen?
Speaker 8 (44:25):
There?
Speaker 6 (44:27):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (44:28):
Par?
Speaker 6 (44:28):
You know?
Speaker 10 (44:29):
I was Pars was my friend.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
I just I am fascinated by golfers. Who you know
the golf It was a golf course thirteen years ago.
What did you make on ten?
Speaker 14 (44:39):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I bogied that.
Speaker 10 (44:41):
No, honestly, I don't remember all oh Scots. I think
I was I think I was in a fluzi state
of heaths.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Oh okay, well, I can understand that coming from where
you come from, from the Bay Area. Does a singular
player jump out to you as a favorite.
Speaker 10 (45:02):
I'd say my leading favorite is Gino to da Kun
because she is such a complete player. I just love her.
I love her demeanor, her professionalism. She is very serious
on the golf course to a degree, but she smiles,
she interacts with people. She always asks how you're doing,
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likes to chatter on the golf course a little bit.
And her game is immaculate. I mean, she's a great
driver of the ball. She's one of the top top
ten in greens and regulations. She's a beautiful putter. She
has the entire package. So I put her even though
she's young, and it's not very fair to put the
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name on someone so young as who's the best player
that has yet to win a major. But I foresee
many majors in Gino's future and why not make why
not make it this one at Aaron Hills. I really
I'm very high on her.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
We're talking with Kay Cockroll here on the Augusta Golf Show.
All right, tell me about Nellie's year so far.
Speaker 10 (46:08):
Yeah, Nellie, it's a big I think that's the biggest
surprise so far in the season. You know, think of
last year she'd won six times. Up to this point,
no wins for Nelly this year. In fact, there's been
like eleven different winners on the LPGA Tour, so it's
been very democratic. You know, no one has dominated yet
(46:29):
but Nelly. Of course, you'd think she'd have at least
one or two wins by now. But that's us analyzing
a player. But anyone who's competed in this game knows
how difficult it is. And you just just because you
had a stellar year the year before does not guarantee
it's going to happen the same way. But she is
so talented, she's so good. I almost think sometimes she
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gets in her own way. And the putter is always
that X fact, right, I mean, as good as you
hit it, you still if you're a great ball striker
and you're not making the putts, I don't care who
you are, you're gonna get frustrated. So you know, Nelly,
her track record in US opens isn't isn't fantastic. I
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think she has the all around game to be a
US Open champion, So I'd never put. I don't think
there's any golf course she can't play just because of
her talent. So sure can Nelly break through and do
something great?
Speaker 11 (47:30):
I hope.
Speaker 18 (47:30):
So I just think she.
Speaker 10 (47:32):
Puts an awful lot of pressure on herself to win
that championship, and if she can somehow relax and let
it come to her, no doubt she has everything it
takes to win.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Kay, you mentioned track record. The US Open is not
on Lydia Coohe's resume. Is there some sort of consistent reason?
Speaker 10 (47:57):
Yeah, you know, I I think Lydia, you know, as
great as Lydia is, she has gone through some peaks
and valleys, and I think maybe a few of those
valleys have hit when when she's played US Opens. You know,
she she has talked outwardly about the pressure she puts
on herself and the thing she's gone through. You think
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everything is great when you win all these tournaments, but
it's a struggle. It's a constant day to day struggle,
month to month, year and year out, struggle to maintain
the level of mental toughness, clarity, your body, your swing, everything,
And you know she I think she's got a renewed
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sense of you know, she got a great taste of
the gold medal last year and then winning the AIG
at the Old Course, and she verbally said, I want
a couple more majors, And I think that's her new goal,
is to get you know, the Grand Slam or the
Super Slam. As the women have five or five major
and she has. She needs two more to get it done.
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The US Women's Opening KPMG and those those are the
next two majors on the calendar. I don't think she's
going to take forever to do it. I don't see
her playing much past the age of thirty. But her
husband is passionate about the game, and I think that's
ignited something in her, and also that taste to maybe
push herself one more time to get a couple more majors.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
But in your eyes for next week, does she need
a different kind of golf course to win a US Open?
Speaker 16 (49:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (49:31):
You know, she's she's gone through some times where she's
been a bit erratic with her driver, but she seems
to have that straightened out. She's again one of those players.
She has such a supremely good short game that she
can make up for anything. But you know, if you
look at what had Bruce Brooks kept a shoot there
like sixteen under, I think with the colder conditions and
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with more wind, if it's cool wind, I doubt that
the player is going to go that deep. Typically, Lydia
is not a player who goes super deep under par.
I liken her to a tougher venue where par is meaningful.
But no, I mean, I honestly don't think there's a
she's again, she's another player. I don't think there's a
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course that isn't good for her because she's such a
smart golfer.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Before we go give give the listener a couple of
more names to pay attention to next week.
Speaker 10 (50:28):
Let's see, Well, hey, ron Rue. I love her game.
She's a powerful ball striker who has turned her petting
around and I don't think you can look past her.
You know, I love Lauren Coglin. I love her fire,
the fact that she's come on late. You know, she's
a self described late bloomer in junior golf, in college golf,
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in professional golf. And boy did she have a season
last year. And I think she's had a little bit
of adjustment coming off the big high of last year.
But she's a grinder and she's someone that's super competitive,
and boy, she'd love to get her name on a
US Women's Open. And you know that it's such a
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huge week both monetarily and what it means to have
that trophy. That pressure does a lot of crazy things
for these players. So sometimes it's you know, more often
than not, it's kind of like an underdog that comes
up and rises. And one more thing, don't forget about
the abundance of Japanese players that are making a massive
impact on the game. Last year, five Japanese women finished
(51:36):
in the top ten at the US Women's Open, seven
of them of them were in the top twenty, and
there are nineteen players by my count, which might be
off by one or two that are in the field
this year. They are amazing with Malsigo winning the last major,
so don't be surprised to see a good handful of
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Japanese women up there contending.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
She is Kay Cockroll. She will be on the call
at the US Women's Open next week. Thank you, thank
you for squeezing me in k I appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (52:07):
Always great to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Here you go that's ky Cockrell. Hey, don't go away.
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It's time for our Why I Love the Game segment
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David Graham, who turned seventy nine yesterday, Happy birthday. David
tells us why he's still loves the game of golf.
Speaker 18 (56:03):
That's a good question, because at my age it's not
as easy as it used to be. I think it's just,
you know, I'm fifty some years into the game tinkering
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It's my place of tranquility. And I even today, I
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It's in my DNA, it's my.
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Friend David Graham and why he still loves the game
of golf. Well that's the show for this morning. I
do want to thank my guests Taylor Zarzer, Peter Kessler,
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We're gonna start by recapping last week's PGA Championship. We
will start with Taylor's Arzer. Taylor anchored the coverage of
the championship on PGA Championship Radio on SiriusXM. By the way,
Taylor is also a member at Quail Hollow. Taylor's ARSA
will join us in just a couple of minutes. Then
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after major championships to lend his perspective to the proceedings.
And then finally, this morning, we'll look ahead to next
week's US Women's Open. NBC's Kate Cockrel will be there,
but she will be here this morning to preview next
week's event. As always, I will let you know where
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to find the golf on TV this weekend, and if
we have time this morning, in our Why I Love
the Games segment, our friend two time major champion David Graham,
who celebrated his seventy ninth birthday yesterday, will tell us
why he still loves a game of golf. Okay, coming up,
Kay Cockrel and Peter Kessler. But first Taylor's Arzer recapping
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Good morning, and welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show.
I'm John Patrick. Taylor's Arser anchored the coverage of the
PGA Championship on PGA Championship Radio on Sirius XM. Taylor
is also a member at Quail Hollow and starting this season,
he's the voice of the Tennessee Titans. Pleasure to welcome
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Taylor's Arser back to the Augusta Golf Show. How are
you Taylor?
Speaker 6 (07:30):
John in Nashville looking at the Titans practice facility right now.
We have the OTA's going on right now. Mini camp
starts in a few weeks and then late July training
camp starts. So I'm trying to get into football mode.
I did eight straight weeks of golf tournaments and now
I'm trying to switch hats here. But what an amazing
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week that was. Having a home game was sort of surreals.
You don't really ever dream of having a major championship
on the of course, you play all the time, but
that was a heck of a lot of fun.
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What surprised you about that whole experience? Of it being
at your home club.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Yeah, you know, I dreamed of going to the Masters
and calling the Masters, or going to the Rose Bowl
or you know, going to Madison Square Garden or Fenway Park,
you know places like that. I guess I just didn't
realize that I would have such special feeling for something
like that happening, and I did. It was I guess
the amount of pride I had, and just the membership
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and the city and it's support of the event and
just how well it went off. I think it's really hard, John,
when you other than Augusta National, for any other course
to be played every year like they do at Quail Hollow,
and it'd be a PGA Tour event nine out of
ten times, and then it'd be a major championship the
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other time. There's probably going to be a little bit
of fatigue, you know, across the country with just seeing
Quail Hollow every single year year. But from an audience standpoint,
from an on course support standpoint, spectator standpoint, community support,
it was off the charts. It was terrific and I
was really really proud of just how everything turned out.
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And you know, I am as as you said, I'm
going to spend a lot of time in Nashville moving forward,
but that place will always have a huge piece of
my heart.
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How often do you get to play a lot?
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Well, actually I played the day after. I don't know
that I regret playing the day after, But my goodness,
I've never seen the rough like that, and I think
they've cut it down since Monday, thankfully. But if I
don't have a golf tournament or you know, a football
game or an assignment, if I have a week where
I'm at home, I'll play, you know, twice maybe, and
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then you know, it'll go a few weeks without playing,
and I'll come back and play, you know, two or
three times, and so it's it's a and then it's
not at all, and then it's a lot and it's
not at all. So obviously that's not really really good
for a good short game. But we have such a
great member experience there. I mean, I have truly, like
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over one hundred great friends that I speak to every
day that I've made through that place, And you know,
I think that's what a great golf club is all about.
So I love going there and having that experience. And
I also say from my teas, probably your tea's as well.
You know, sixty four hundred yards. It's a it's a
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playable golf course. I have no interest in going back
to the seventy six hundred yard tees that those guys played,
but yeah, no, it is. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Speaking of those guys, how do you describe what we're
saying with Scotty?
Speaker 6 (10:51):
You know there are If I were to mention the
most talented players on the PGA Tour, I probably could
easily come up with ten guys that have more talent
than he does. Or if I were to say, if
everybody is playing their best, who's the best, I would
say Rory McElroy. I would certainly say him over Scotty.
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But the guy's ability to his I've never seen somebody's
B game or when they don't have their best, be
as good as Scotty's is. Tiger Woods included when Tiger
Woods wasn't comfortable on the tee, I mean he could
hit it fifty yards right, fifty yards left. Scotty Scheffler,
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when he's not comfortable on the tee, hits the smart
shot to the correct side of the hole, the correct
side of the green, and he might be five yards
away from where he was aiming, but he always gives
himself a better chance at recovering from the I guess
mistake he just made. I just his consistency, his ability
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to execute each shot is truly unlike anything I've ever
seen in the game. You know, I didn't get to
see Jack Nicholas in his prime, but I guess that
probably maybe Hogan or Nicholas would be the closest thing
to what we're seeing with Scheffler. Just ability to execute
shot after shot after shot, and we really haven't in
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this generation we did that. Tiger Woods's talent is above
all else. I'll argue that with anybody. I think he's
the most talented guy to ever play the game. But
Tiger missed more shots than Scotty does, and it really is.
It's just extraordinary how he can stay in the moment.
What he did Saturday, playing those last five holes in
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five under par was extraordinary. But he never until that
last putt went in, He never let any emotion come
out of him. He always thought about what was next.
I was more impressed John with Sunday, not having his
best stuff through those nine holes and being able to
gather himself on the tenth tee and then go win
the golf tournament after he was tied to the lead,
and that whole that five shot lead had evaporated over
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the course of a few holes, just to be able
to play the next shot and not think about the
emotion of the last shot. I mean, there's a lot
to learn there. There's a lot to admire about that.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
We're talking with Taylor Zarzer here on the Augusta Golf Show.
I mean, he's gone on to win the last eight
times he's had that fifty four whole league kind of
sounds like someone else we knew, don't.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
It he had?
Speaker 6 (13:24):
Does I guess why e Yang excluded?
Speaker 8 (13:27):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yes, So I assume with everything that you said, do
you see any reason why he won't contend at Oakmont?
Speaker 8 (13:39):
He's the guy.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Yeah, he listened. I mean the next few weeks, obviously
we can. I'm sure our opinions may vary a little
bit or could change a bit. I would expect Bryce
and to Shamba to be a factor. I you know,
Xanderschoftley and some others. I think that you know, all
of a sudden, form is a fickle thing, you know,
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and sometimes you have it. Sometimes you don't. In the
next few weeks, there could be a player or two
that emerges that we really need to consider. But I'd
be shocked if Scotty Scheffler shows up healthy at Oakmont
and he's not a factor. Just based on the things
that we just said, I think it sets up perfectly
for him. And if that happens, John suddenly we go
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to Port Rush and Scotty Scheffler is trying to complete
the career of Grand Slam. For as much talk as
we've given Jordan Speith and Phil Micholson who still are
trying to do that, and as much talk as we've
given Rory McElroy for completing it, how crazy would it
be if we have another player Scheffler who would have
a chance to do that at some point this year. No,
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he absolutely is the guy to be going in there.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, you know, if we play out your plan, he
comes to the Masters with the chance at the Scotty Slam.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Yeah, I don't like his chances. I rush as much
as I do at Oakmont or at the PGA or
at the Masters. I had a conversation with him last
year at Troon in the interviews that we do before
the tournament starts, and I said, do I have a
better chance of playing better over here than I do
back home? And he said yes. He said, you're a mistake.
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He says, if you can keep it out of the gorse,
your mistakes are neutralized over here. And I said, okay, Well,
does that mean that there are more people that have
a chance to win this event than do other majors
in the States And he said yes. He said, you know,
because of bounces and because of just the link style golf.
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You know, a great shot maybe isn't as rewarded as
it would be at Oakmont or at Quail or at
Augusta National. And so for those reasons, John, I can't say,
you know, no matter how well Scotty is playing, going
into Port Rush, I can't say he's going to go
over there and absolutely he's the guy to beat. I
think it's a really different situation. And certainly if the
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elements are a factor, then that's another thing to consider too.
So I'm not ready to go there yet at Port Rush,
but you're right, if that does happen, we come back
to Augusta next year for the Scotty Slam. This is
a really fun time in the game. I hope we
get Scotty versus Rory somewhere. You know, we've got we
at least going into the final round. And for a
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while in the final round in Augusta, we had Rory
versus Bryson. I guess to some degree we got Scotty
versus Bryson, though John rom was certainly in the middle
of that at Quail Hollow. But how much fun would
it be to get Scotty versus Rory in one.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Of these What did you make of Rory's complicated week?
Speaker 6 (16:44):
So the first thing I would say is in the
last conversation that he had with anyone that week, it
was with me on Wednesday, and he was in great
spirits and I said to him, I said, you know,
I don't have to ever ask you again about resetting
after a heartbreak. Now I'm gonna ask you had to
reset after the biggest win of your life. And he
took a big, deep breath and he said, it isn't easy.
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He's like, you know, there's a big part of me
that wants to keep celebrating what just happened. It's the
greatest thing that ever happened in my professional career, and
nothing will ever top it, and you know, resetting and
trying to figure out what's next and what I want
my goals to be is something that I'm still going through.
The guy loves to compete. I think he wants to
be number one in the world again. He loves the game,
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he loves the history of the game. So I think
he will be able to do that John, But I
think that he was still in recovery mode from winning
the Masters. I think that, and we've seen that with
a number of players, So the overwhelming majority of major
championship winners, we've seen that happen to them, and it
takes a while to come off of that cloud. So
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I think that that was a factor. You know, I
do think that the non conforming driver issue that he had,
Scotty had, that the number of players had. I think
that was a bigger hit to Rory than it probably
was to some others, just because of how big of
an advantage he has off of the t and even
if you put exactly the same club in his hands
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that he was using, there's just going to be an
adjustment factor there where it's going to take days, you know,
not a day, but days, if not weeks all of
a sudden to be comfortable with that new club, So
I think that that was a factor too. But more
than anything, John, I think it's just this was too
quick of a bounce back for him after the emotion
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that he had and all of us had watching him
win at Augusta National. I think that that was the
biggest reason why he wasn't a factor at Quail where.
You know, obviously he's dominated through the years, but I
don't think we've seen the last of Rory McElroy this year.
I think that it wanted these majors and certainly and
a number of big tournaments to come this year, I
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think Rory will be a factor again.
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Taylor's oarser. He is the voice of PGA Tour Radio
on Sirius XM and the voice the Tennessee Titans. Taylor,
thank you for taking the time to do this. I
know you've got to run back out to your OTAs.
When you say we're at OTAs, you mean they're at
OTAs well.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
The Tennessee Titans are at OTAs. Yes, but our Titans
radio team is here too, Okay, Yes, we're out here today. John,
You're a great teammate man. We love that our call
is on your radio station there for the Masters each year,
and I'm already counting down the days to next April.
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Well, let's give it some time. There you go, that's
our friend Taylor Zarzer. While I have you take a
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Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
My friend. Peter Kessler is an award winning broadcaster and
golf historian. He joins US after the major championships to
lend his thoughts in perspective on what occurred. It's a
pleasure to welcome Peter Kessler back to the Augusta Golf Show. Hi, Peter,
how are you?
Speaker 8 (25:07):
I am well, I'm always glad to hear your voice
and I'm delighted to be with you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, thank you for saying yes to this. Now we
may get to the PGA Championship, but there's something, there's
a topic that has come up in the last couple
of weeks. Then I wanted to get your thoughts on.
There are very few people with your knowledge of the
history of the game, and we might be able to
get into some of the reasons why the numbers are
the way they are. But in your opinion, Peter, should
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Jack Nicholas have twenty major championships with his US Amateur?
Should Tiger have eighteen?
Speaker 8 (25:44):
It's not even should they already do? And here's you're
here some concrete evidence. In nineteen ninety six, Jack wrote
a doubt book and right up front it to be right.
In the first page kind of thing. He mentions, you know,
and then I've won twenty major championships right away in
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print still exists. Can't think of the name of the book,
but it's there, and that's when it was published, twenty
major championships. But when Tiger then won his third that
same year and then came out on the tour, and
Jack saw what Tiger was and that Tiger had three
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his two, he decided all of a sudden, now he
only had eighteen major championships, so Tiger would be one behind.
It was absolutely the most out of character gesture by Jack.
You know, it's a funny thing because all great athletes
and people who are great in what they do all
have well at least at the very least to help
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the ego. But sometimes they're insecure and datistical. Two. And
that was Jack being insecure. We're in a case like
Bobby Jones, if he was going to say something that
was out of character for him, it would be much
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classier and less nonsense. You don't just switch from twenty
to eighteen. I mean, that was a really bad gesture,
just like Arnald endorsing an illegal tob eleven two thousand,
a really bad decision. To make so Jones pretty much
the only one of the only times he ever acted
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out of character total humble was he once said, well,
if you just keep shooting bars at them, eventually they
all cracked. That's as close as he came to an
egotistical remark. He knew how great he was. You know,
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just like a great looking woman or a great looking
guy looking at the RR you know you're looking good.
If you're good at what you do. You know, it
doesn't mean you have to talk about it or be conceited.
But they're all conceited. Is just a question of do
you display any of that? So, yes, that's a clear
cut no brainer. In writing the mid nineties and twenty majors,
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and then all of a sudden it slipped down to
eighteen when Tiger won his third, and maybe it was
when Tiger won the Masters in next year by five
hundred shots. You know, it was right in that time
frame when Jack went and had a reaction to it.
It was not only had a character, but it wasn't
very honest.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Well, so does the historian in you, Peter, think we
should count the US amateur still as a major.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
Only if you win a professional major. To validate it
as such. When I was talking to Arnold and he
you know, and I've given him at oh, I remember
what it was. We were playing a match at bay
Hill against three other guys and we were just clambering
them and I had a shot to that pin at
(29:12):
bay Hill on eighteen And everybody knows that they play
on Sunday on the right front of the green and
very shallow from the front of that to the back bunker,
and in front it slopes down towards the rocks and
the water. So it's a little like the twelfth that
Augusta National. The whole thing is shallow. It's just one
club beat, but only on the right side of the
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pin on when it's on the right side on eighteen
is it shallow at bay Hill? So but basically the
only time that day, Arnold goes, what are you going
to hit here? And I said, I'm going to hit
a seven irons and he said it plays a little
longer than you think. Go with the six, and I said, okay.
(29:54):
So I hit the seven and I hit it as
good as I possibly could, and it came up short
and he race got jumped out of the cart, raced
over grabbed the club out of my hand, took a
look at the bottom of it, saw that it was
the seven, and he goes, you know, I won seven majors, right,
And I said, actually eight, Arnold, because the US amateur counts,
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because if you then win pro majors, your amateurs count.
And then later he and I would agree that the
amateurs counted. Really through the Jack Nicholas error, which is
right after that. One of the interesting things about, you know,
the PGA is that Scotty is a full generation behind
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Rory in age by eight years, so you don't think
of the next eight years. He's gonna win enough stuff,
including two more majors, to eclipse Rory, and he'll be
he will be the next great player after Tiger. It's
not Rorke, and he will be the best player of
his time, including all the time that Rory has been
on tour. I digress. But in Jack's day, the top
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amateurs were just about as good as the top pros.
You know, you had Harvey Ward and then can VENTURII
for a while. I mean, you know, there were guys
who were, you know, finishing second to Hogan and majors
who were amateurs. So it was the Amateur was a
major from inception in nineteen ninety five, clearly through the
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Nicholas era, and and anybody subsequent who would go ahead
and win the amateurs an amateur and then validate it
with a pro major. That's how that's how it counts.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
And you know.
Speaker 8 (31:40):
So so yes, you have to win a pro major
and then the US Amateur it is isn't is a major.
But if he won one through the Nicholas era, he
won one from you know, from nineteen ninety five to
nineteen sixty one, when Jack won a second one, those
count You don't have that didn't need.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
A validate We're talking with Peter Kessler here on the
Augusta Golf Show. Is the media to blame for the
for the US Amateur no longer being a major and
we made the other four tournaments majors.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
I think that because he ran into a period of
guys who didn't go on like Jack did and already
did too, to have you know, great careers, that it
became a less interest. And it was clear that the
winners of the US Amateur after Jack started to become
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significantly less of a good player than a Nicholas or
a Farmer or Jones or Francis we met. The quality
dropped except for Jason, you know, who went on to
have an interesting career as a professional. But other than Jay,
(33:03):
I mean, yeah, that it was just because the quality lapsed,
and then they disappeared from the scene. So it became
of less interest to the media. As opposed to the
media making some kind of a decision. They right about
what's interesting, it became less interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Okay, we only have a minute or so left. Give
me your thoughts about Scotty and Oakmont and looking forward
to Oakmont.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
I think he's gonna I think he's gonna win. I
think his game is best suited to Oakland of any
player on the tour. And it's funny, he's like seventy
seventh and driving distance, but you know, he's first and
everything in my mind from that point forward, and so
you know, it's a little like you know, Jack used
to say that power during his day was twenty percent
(33:54):
of the game, and now it's eighty percent of the game.
You know, in Scotty's case, his power, he was twenty
percent of his game personally, not the tour, but he
is so good from there on in I mean his
playing with Rory last Thursday and Friday was an embarrassment
(34:14):
for Rory McRory. Part of the reason he didn't show
up for the media interviews is because he just got crushed.
If he chipped it, it was to seven feet, Scott
he chipped it it was to one foot. There wasn't
anything that Scotty didn't do better than Rory after a
t shot on a far four or a part five
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in which and Scotty was hitting thirteen of the fairway,
so it didn't matter that that he had to hit
a little extra club. It was still all short irons
they got. Of course, still played six or seven, six
or seven hundred yards shorter than one would have liked,
so that he actually have some real second shots. So
I think the same thing is going to be true. Ok,
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the second shots are short if you're in the fairway.
For a great player like Scottie Shep, they hit seven
iron twit or fifteen yards. So Scotty Shepler, especially around
the greens, he's the man. He is so good. His
touch is so unbelievable. He hits so many little shots
right next to the hole that looks like they're going
to go in and he's you know, he could have
(35:20):
given Rory to a sorry both days and beat him handling.
I believe that Scotty's gonna win that and Port Rush.
I don't see why you wouldn't win that either, and
then Rory's career Slam goes bye bye. It's Scotty winsby
Grand Slam one year Tiger Slam goes away too.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
He is Peter Kessler, noted golf historian, award winning broadcaster
and a good friend. Peter, thank you for this. I
appreciate it, and we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
I look forward to it.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Thank you, Peter. There you go, It's Peter Kessler. While
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Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
K Cockrell is a two time women's amateur champion. She
will be at Aaron Hills next week covering the US
Open for NBC. It's a pleasure to welcome K Cockrell
back to the Augusta Golf Show.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
How are you kay?
Speaker 10 (41:30):
I'm doing great, John, How are you you know?
Speaker 2 (41:32):
I'm good, I'm good. Thank you for saying yes to this.
I know it's getting to be busy. Uh Okay. Aaron Hills,
big piece of property. We've seen it, We've seen it
host to US Open. Are you curious to see how
the women taken on?
Speaker 10 (41:47):
I am?
Speaker 8 (41:48):
I am.
Speaker 10 (41:49):
I love the fact that the USGA is really making
a concerted effort to get the women playing the big
golf courses, the historic courses that the men have primarily played.
And it's neat to see the women come on to
these properties and then people tune in and they remember
the courses like Pebble of Course, an Olympic Club and
(42:10):
now Aaron Hills. To see how you know a little
compare and contrast to what the men have done there.
And I think it's so fun for people to recognize
a golf course and see what the women are able
to do with it.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
But they don't usually play something this expansive or something
this wide open, do they.
Speaker 10 (42:34):
No, it's an unusual golf course. I had the luxury
of playing it in twenty and twelve. However, it was
during a very abnormal heat wave that had spread over
that region, and actually my husband and I played it
in route to going up to black Wolf Run in
twenty twelve, where the US Women's Open was returning, and
(42:59):
it was one hundred degrees out there, and there's like
two trees and there are just four esthetics up on
the top of a knoll or a mound was it
was brutally hot. And funny thing is that whether this week.
I think they're expecting a high of fifty or fifty
two this entire week, and it's going to get better
(43:21):
next week, but it's not going to be a heat wave.
It'll be in the sixties, maybe reach seventy degrees. So
you know, I was thinking about the expansiveness and looking
and rethinking the golf course and looking at a few
of the video flyovers, and the women are so accurate
off the tea. And they've, funny enough, been playing a
(43:43):
couple of the last tournaments that they've played in Utah
Black Desert and then this week at Mayacoba are extremely narrow.
Black Desert had lava on each side with very tight fairways.
This has jungle with very tight fairwayes. Some of the
fairies this week are sixteen to eighteen yards wide. So
(44:05):
I don't think driving is going to be an issue
for them. At Aaron Hills is going to be about
approach play, how close can you get it to the hole.
And of course the putter, no one, no one can
win a major championship if you're not putting.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Well, you brought this up, so I'm going to test
your golf. Your golf b to Fades twenty twelve. What'd
you make on eighteen?
Speaker 8 (44:25):
There?
Speaker 6 (44:27):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (44:28):
Par?
Speaker 6 (44:28):
You know?
Speaker 10 (44:29):
I was Pars was my friend.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
I just I am fascinated by golfers. Who you know
the golf It was a golf course thirteen years ago.
What did you make on ten?
Speaker 14 (44:39):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I bogied that.
Speaker 10 (44:41):
No, honestly, I don't remember all oh Scots. I think
I was I think I was in a fluzi state
of heaths.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Oh okay, well, I can understand that coming from where
you come from, from the Bay Area. Does a singular
player jump out to you as a favorite.
Speaker 10 (45:02):
I'd say my leading favorite is Gino to da Kun
because she is such a complete player. I just love her.
I love her demeanor, her professionalism. She is very serious
on the golf course to a degree, but she smiles,
she interacts with people. She always asks how you're doing,
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likes to chatter on the golf course a little bit.
And her game is immaculate. I mean, she's a great
driver of the ball. She's one of the top top
ten in greens and regulations. She's a beautiful putter. She
has the entire package. So I put her even though
she's young, and it's not very fair to put the
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name on someone so young as who's the best player
that has yet to win a major. But I foresee
many majors in Gino's future and why not make why
not make it this one at Aaron Hills. I really
I'm very high on her.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
We're talking with Kay Cockroll here on the Augusta Golf Show.
All right, tell me about Nellie's year so far.
Speaker 10 (46:08):
Yeah, Nellie, it's a big I think that's the biggest
surprise so far in the season. You know, think of
last year she'd won six times. Up to this point,
no wins for Nelly this year. In fact, there's been
like eleven different winners on the LPGA Tour, so it's
been very democratic. You know, no one has dominated yet
(46:29):
but Nelly. Of course, you'd think she'd have at least
one or two wins by now. But that's us analyzing
a player. But anyone who's competed in this game knows
how difficult it is. And you just just because you
had a stellar year the year before does not guarantee
it's going to happen the same way. But she is
so talented, she's so good. I almost think sometimes she
(46:53):
gets in her own way. And the putter is always
that X fact, right, I mean, as good as you
hit it, you still if you're a great ball striker
and you're not making the putts, I don't care who
you are, you're gonna get frustrated. So you know, Nelly,
her track record in US opens isn't isn't fantastic. I
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think she has the all around game to be a
US Open champion, So I'd never put. I don't think
there's any golf course she can't play just because of
her talent. So sure can Nelly break through and do
something great?
Speaker 11 (47:30):
I hope.
Speaker 18 (47:30):
So I just think she.
Speaker 10 (47:32):
Puts an awful lot of pressure on herself to win
that championship, and if she can somehow relax and let
it come to her, no doubt she has everything it
takes to win.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Kay, you mentioned track record. The US Open is not
on Lydia Coohe's resume. Is there some sort of consistent reason?
Speaker 10 (47:57):
Yeah, you know, I I think Lydia, you know, as
great as Lydia is, she has gone through some peaks
and valleys, and I think maybe a few of those
valleys have hit when when she's played US Opens. You know,
she she has talked outwardly about the pressure she puts
on herself and the thing she's gone through. You think
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everything is great when you win all these tournaments, but
it's a struggle. It's a constant day to day struggle,
month to month, year and year out, struggle to maintain
the level of mental toughness, clarity, your body, your swing, everything,
And you know she I think she's got a renewed
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sense of you know, she got a great taste of
the gold medal last year and then winning the AIG
at the Old Course, and she verbally said, I want
a couple more majors, And I think that's her new goal,
is to get you know, the Grand Slam or the
Super Slam. As the women have five or five major
and she has. She needs two more to get it done.
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The US Women's Opening KPMG and those those are the
next two majors on the calendar. I don't think she's
going to take forever to do it. I don't see
her playing much past the age of thirty. But her
husband is passionate about the game, and I think that's
ignited something in her, and also that taste to maybe
push herself one more time to get a couple more majors.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
But in your eyes for next week, does she need
a different kind of golf course to win a US Open?
Speaker 16 (49:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (49:31):
You know, she's she's gone through some times where she's
been a bit erratic with her driver, but she seems
to have that straightened out. She's again one of those players.
She has such a supremely good short game that she
can make up for anything. But you know, if you
look at what had Bruce Brooks kept a shoot there
like sixteen under, I think with the colder conditions and
(49:54):
with more wind, if it's cool wind, I doubt that
the player is going to go that deep. Typically, Lydia
is not a player who goes super deep under par.
I liken her to a tougher venue where par is meaningful.
But no, I mean, I honestly don't think there's a
she's again, she's another player. I don't think there's a
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course that isn't good for her because she's such a
smart golfer.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Before we go give give the listener a couple of
more names to pay attention to next week.
Speaker 10 (50:28):
Let's see, Well, hey, ron Rue. I love her game.
She's a powerful ball striker who has turned her petting
around and I don't think you can look past her.
You know, I love Lauren Coglin. I love her fire,
the fact that she's come on late. You know, she's
a self described late bloomer in junior golf, in college golf,
(50:52):
in professional golf. And boy did she have a season
last year. And I think she's had a little bit
of adjustment coming off the big high of last year.
But she's a grinder and she's someone that's super competitive,
and boy, she'd love to get her name on a
US Women's Open. And you know that it's such a
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huge week both monetarily and what it means to have
that trophy. That pressure does a lot of crazy things
for these players. So sometimes it's you know, more often
than not, it's kind of like an underdog that comes
up and rises. And one more thing, don't forget about
the abundance of Japanese players that are making a massive
impact on the game. Last year, five Japanese women finished
(51:36):
in the top ten at the US Women's Open, seven
of them of them were in the top twenty, and
there are nineteen players by my count, which might be
off by one or two that are in the field
this year. They are amazing with Malsigo winning the last major,
so don't be surprised to see a good handful of
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Japanese women up there contending.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
She is Kay Cockroll. She will be on the call
at the US Women's Open next week. Thank you, thank
you for squeezing me in k I appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (52:07):
Always great to talk to you.
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Here you go that's ky Cockrell. Hey, don't go away.
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It's time for our Why I Love the Game segment
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David Graham, who turned seventy nine yesterday, Happy birthday. David
tells us why he's still loves the game of golf.
Speaker 18 (56:03):
That's a good question, because at my age it's not
as easy as it used to be. I think it's just,
you know, I'm fifty some years into the game tinkering
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It's my place of tranquility. And I even today, I
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It's in my DNA, it's my.
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Friend David Graham and why he still loves the game
of golf. Well that's the show for this morning. I
do want to thank my guests Taylor Zarzer, Peter Kessler,
and Kay Cockrell, and thank you for taking the time
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