Augusta Golf Show/Bob Jones IV, Rachel Kuehn & Bernhard Langer

This weekend, 
Dr. Bob Jones IV on the Grayson Murray tragedy
Rachel Kuehn on what it's like to play in the Augusta National Women's Amateur
Bernhard Langer on playing in his final Masters

Episode Transcript

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about the show this morning. Master's Weekend. Bob Jones Junior

(02:28):
the greatest amateur the game has ever known, and along
with Clifford Roberts, he founded Augusta National Golf Club and
along with Clifford Roberts, he created the Masters. For the
last twenty five years or so, I have been a
friend of Bob Jones's grandson, doctor Bob Tire Jones, the

(02:50):
Fourth Bob is a clinical psychologist in the Atlanta area.
His granddad would be so very proud to see what
Bob has becomes. This morning we will get to happier topics,
I promise, But this morning we're going to start by
looking at a serious topic. Last year, a player on
the PGA Tour took his life, Grayson Murray. He had

(03:13):
won in Hawaii at the Sony early in the year,
but then in May of last year, at the age
of thirty, Grayson took his life after a second round
at a golf tournament. I've asked Bob to come on
the show to talk about this topic, and we will
do so in just a couple of minutes. Then with
the sixth Annuel Augusta National Women's Amateur. In the books,

(03:37):
you know, I thought it might be fun to have
a conversation with somebody that played in four of them.
Rachel Keene played her college golf at wake Forest, winning
a national championship while there. She is now out on
the EPSOM Tour, but she did play in the an
while four times. We'll get her perspective on the tournament
in just a bit. And finally, this is Bernhard Langer's

(04:01):
final competitive Masters. I had the chance to talk to
Bernhard about that and I'll have that conversation for you
this morning. So that's the show, Doctor Bob Jones the
fourth what it's like to play in the Augusta National
Women's Amateur, and Bernhard Langer on his illustrious Hall of
Fame career. As always, I will let you know where

(04:24):
to find the golf on TV this weekend pretty easy.
And if there's time this morning and are why I
love the game segment, the nineteen eighty seven Masters winner
Larry Mize will tell us why he still loves the
game of golf. All right Coming up Bernhard Langer and
Rachel Keene, but first Bob Jones the fourth on a

(04:45):
serious and important topic. Stay right there. Thank you for
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Speaker 2 (08:29):
Good morning, and welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show.
I'm John Patrick. Doctor Bob Jones fourth is a clinical psychologist.
Got his practice just outside the Atlanta area. Bob is
the grandson of the co founder of Augusta National and
The Masters, Bob Jones Junior. About a year ago, a golfer,

(08:49):
Grayson Murray, took his life after the second round of
a tournament on the PGA Tour. Grayson had earlier in
the year one in Hawaii at the Sony I wanted
to have I'm on to talk about suicide from as
many angles as possible. It is a pleasure to welcome
Bob Jones the fourth back to the Augusta Golf Show.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
How are you, Bob, I'm doing great, John, Thanks so
much for having me back.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Thank you for doing this. I want to preface this
conversation by saying I might be asking a slew of
naive questions. I'm trying to play the role of the listener.
Some things the listener might ask about what's taken place
in the game of golf over the last few weeks.
Grayson Murray Lexi's comments from last week mental health in general.

(09:34):
Let me start with this, being a professional, what does
a professional look for when it comes to depression? Are
there signs? Are they different for various people?

Speaker 4 (09:48):
There are signs to actually diagnose depression. There's a series
of symptoms that we look for, most of which would
be like frequent cheers, gariness, loss of interest in things
that used to provide a lot of interest to somebody.
The secondary symptoms, you'd look at changes in fleet patterns,

(10:11):
changes in social interactions. So there's a whole host of those,
and then when you start seeing those, then you have
to start looking at how long has that been going on?
But I think, you know, I think when we're talking
about situations like the ones that you mentioned and others,

(10:33):
I think there's something that's a little bit more going
on than just depression. I mean, I think I think
that there's a real problem that athletes face especially, and
that is this, the higher you go in a sport,
the more isolated you are going to become. And the

(10:55):
more isolated that you become if you are prone to
that kind of thing, like to depression, like to difficulties
in difficulties in thinking clearly, all sorts of stuff like that.
The higher you go, the more lonely you get, The
more isolated you get, you don't have the opportunity to
have the kind of interactions that people have that help

(11:19):
them stay healthy. And it's terribly lonely. Playing golf at
an elite level, or any sport at an elite level,
is a terribly lonely thing. You know, this is nothing
really new. I mean, of course it's sad what happened
with Grayson, and I really admire Lexi for coming out

(11:40):
and speaking about what she's had to contend with. But
you know, we've had a couple of these over the
last few years. But I remember even going back to
a conversation with Carol Mann, and she was very open
about how incredibly difficult it was for her that she
would go back to her hotel room after playing competitively

(12:02):
playing a competitive round, and she said she'd just sit
in a fetal position in the corner and cry at night.
And this is back in the nineteen sixties. And I
think it even goes back to my grandfather had some
issues when he played, where he would just he would
lose like fifteen pounds during the course of a tournament,

(12:25):
you know, and sometimes he would have to sit in
a scalding hot bathtub with three fingers of bourbon after
he finished a competitive round just to deal with what
he felt was the pent up stress. But the trick is,
you feel that, but you don't necessarily let the people
who the people know who are close to you, or

(12:47):
who are watching you play, or any of that. They
have no idea what's going on, which then further isolates
you some more. So, I mean, it's a really tough
tough place to be.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Here comes another naive question. Would the driven, those who
are driven, would they be more susceptible than those who
don't necessarily have that sort of quality?

Speaker 4 (13:08):
I think so. I think so. You know, it's you
see the same thing in CEOs. The more driven you
are to excellence basically what you're doing is the more
driven you are to excellence, the smaller your social environment
is going to be. Because well and captains of ships

(13:32):
sort of go through the same thing. I mean, eventually
you get you know, you start out in this big pool,
and at each level you go up, the pool just
gets smaller and smaller and smaller. Think of it this way.
You go to hurricane tournaments in golf, and you've got
several hundred kids, maybe thousand kids playing across the country

(13:54):
in these different events. Then you move up another stage
and half of those get winnowed at out. And then
you move up into college and half of those get
winnowed out. And then you know, you start hitting the
mini tours and the corn ferry Tours, and as you
go up the pyramid, it gets to be a smaller
and smaller group, and the pressure to perform is just relentless.

(14:21):
This is why so many times you will watch some
of these athletes, at least at the very top levels,
and they will have psychologists and trainers and agents and
this and that and caddies, and they're surrounded by an
entourage which at least provides them with some human connection.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
We're talking with doctor Bob Jones to fourth here on
the Augusta Golf Show. That team those people, what can
someone who is close to a depressed individual do to help.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Oh, I think you just sort of listen. You have
to listen, and I don't mean just let them talk
about what's on their mind, but you have to actually
listen to what they're really saying. And you also have
to remember that when you're dealing with somebody that's depressed,
or you're dealing with somebody that's going through a real
mental health struggle, there's always a tendency to want to

(15:22):
almost normalize what they're saying, or to say, well, you know,
that's just a one off, or well, they didn't really
mean that. You know, one of the things that we're
trained to do in dealing with potential suicidal behavior is
you always take any reference in that regard very very seriously.

(15:43):
But the problem is is that sometimes the people, when
they're feeling that isolated, their references are very very obscure,
and then when they do make a reference, it's so
uncomfortable that people will tend to say, well, they didn't
really mean me, and not pay not take it as

(16:05):
seriously as it should be.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
You know, you mentioned suicide talking about Grayson Murray. I'm
going to ask you to speculate and that's probably not fair.
And if you don't want to answer this, I understand.
How do you think someone that is depressed and or
possibly suicidal processes the Grayson Murray story when they hear it?
What do they think?

Speaker 4 (16:28):
That is extremely speculative, but knowing the dynamic, it would
depend where they are in that process, because one of
the things that happens is is people get farther along
in that process by the time they make the decision
to actually do something about it, to actually take action,

(16:50):
they have become so isolated and alone and cut off
from their own emotion that that oftentimes seems the to
be the only way out for them. But give you
an example of what I mean it would be. It's
kind of like one of the things that we know,
for example, is that people who actually will attempt suicide,

(17:16):
they will get really, really depressed until they make the decision,
and then they can seem like everything's better because they've
made the decision, it's no longer a question in their mind.
So how a person would react to news of something
like Grayson Murray would really depend in a large extent

(17:42):
on where they are in that process. Is it possible
that it could give some of them a sense that well,
he did it, so therefore it might be okay if
I did. Yeah, it's possible, but each particular case is unique.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Sure, if you have been diagnosed as being depressed or
possibly even suicidal, like alcoholism, is it possible that one
day all of those feelings no longer exist, or maybe
you know you're always a recovering alcoholic, or is it
something that you kind of always have to be aware of.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
You always. I think it's not so much you have
to be aware of that as you have to be
aware of the circumstances that can lead you down that
rabbit hole. But I do find that there's an extremely
good statistic that I always like to remind people of,
and that is that of people who attempt suicide, by attempt,
I mean, they're not successful, right, They just attempted something

(18:48):
something last time, I said, I think the number is
like eighty six percent of them never attempted again. So
you know, So the important thing is is to to
really hear where people are coming from, to take what
they're saying very very seriously, and because it is the

(19:13):
kind of thing that people can bounce back from, very
very often bounce back from, and go on to live
very normal, productive, productive lives. Happens all the time.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
I'm attempting with you to have a healthy conversation about suicide.
Can you have a healthy conversation about suicide with someone
who is suicidal?

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Absolutely, there comes a point in that process, John, where
they want to talk about it, and there will come
a point when the decision is made where they don't
want to talk about it anymore. But up until almost
the very last point, there will come a time when

(19:58):
they desperately want people to be able to talk about
how they're feeling and what's going on. Oh, very definitely,
you know this whole process. In some ways, it's more
like a disease process. Like if you ever look at
somebody that gets diagnosed with any kind of disease, one

(20:19):
of the things they can tell you of the disease
is what's called a natural history, and that is they
know that the disease will press from left untreated. It will,
it will progress from this stage to this stage, to
this stage to the stage, and very often the suicidal
process is the same way. It has very very distinct

(20:40):
steps through which it progresses, and at any point it
can be intervened on oftentimes in most of the time
with great success.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
He is Doctor Bob Jones the Fourth, a clinical psychologist
works out of the Atlanta area, has been a friend
for almost thirty years. Bob, thank you for saying yes
to this. I deeply appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Glad to do it.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
John, Thanks Bob. There you go, Doctor Bob Jones the Fourth.
Now I realize it is not the happiest topic for
this weekend, a weekend when we celebrate the game we love,
but it is an important topic and I appreciate Bob
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(21:48):
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Speaker 2 (25:23):
Rachel Keene played her college golf at wake Forest University,
winning a national championship back in twenty twenty three. Rachel
also won the prestigious North and South Amateur Championship in
twenty twenty. She played on three Curtis Cup teams and
played in the Augusta National Women's Amateur four times. She
is now playing her golf on the EPSOM Tour. It's

(25:45):
a pleasure to welcome Rachel Keene back to the Augusta
Golf Show. How are you, Rachel?

Speaker 16 (25:51):
I'm great. Thank you so much for having me back.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Thanks thanks for saying, Yes, does North and South seem
like five years ago?

Speaker 16 (25:59):
It feels like ever ago?

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Speaker 16 (26:05):
It's funny because North and South s fields like kind
of the start of my, like my golf journey almost
in a way. So to think back to that and
think like, I don't know just where it was, I
can't believe that was five years ago.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, that's gonna happen more and more. Rachel. Just so
you know, I wanted to have you on this weekend
in particular to kind of talk about your experiences in
the AUGUSTA National Women's Am. Do you remember where you
were when you first heard this tournament was going to
take place?

Speaker 16 (26:38):
I do. I remember. I remember being out at my
golf course back in Ashville, North Carolina, and it kind
of nott with an announcement, But I was in high school,
and to be honest with you, I like was nowhere
even near like dreaming getting into the field. It was like, oh,
this is really cool for women's golf, full stop. And

(26:58):
I remember like all these memories coming up and me like, oh, like,
don't you think you'll be able to get there one day?
And I, you know it kind of laughed long and
Ployely was like, oh ha ha, yeah, I hope. So,
like it was such a distant, distant idea just because
of where I was in my golfing journey that that
I didn't even think I'd get the chance to do that.
So to now be where I am and say that

(27:20):
I've been able to play four times, I don't think,
you know, sixteen year old Rachel could have even fathomed that.
So I just feel so fortunate and what it's done
for the women's game, and it has lived up to
I think what we.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
All thought it would do okay.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Do you remember when you did put it on your
radar and say, you know, I can I can play
in that.

Speaker 16 (27:39):
I think the first time it kind of got on
my radar was after my freshman year of college. I
kind of showed up and had a really great freshman year.
I kind of expeded my own expectations, and my ranking
pretty much shot up. I was like six hundred something
in the world when I in amateur golf rankings when
I stepped on campus, and as a result, I think

(28:01):
got into like maybe the top hundred or top one
hundred and fifty by the end of the I say
the end it was March because COVID cut it short.
But by the end of that freshman season, and then
I think it kind of felt I was like, oh, like, well,
this could be a possibility. You know, I had watched
Jennifer cup Chow when the year before, and obviously it
was her going to Wake Forest. It was it was

(28:24):
so much fun to watch her on that back nie
on that Saturday. So obviously some really great Wake ties
to the tournament. And and I think that like when
it kind of became a possibility, then it became what
you were striving for.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
You know, did you know you were in before you
got the formal invitation.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yes.

Speaker 16 (28:46):
It's so funny because you kind of spend all fall
like thinking about it and doing all these like Matt
like all this like ranking math in your head, being like, okay, well,
I know they take thirty and sometimes you know, this
person gets an invitation, they won the British Ham and
all these different things. And then first week of January
you get an email saying you have a piece of

(29:06):
mail coming from Augusta National Golf Club. And that email
you kind of like you're like, oh my gosh, like
could it be? And then I think invitations kind of
show up middle of February. So it's just such a
special like opening that envelope. I know, they always make
a big deal about all the guys getting their masterive invitations,

(29:27):
and for the girl to have that experience too is
really special.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
We're talking with Rachel Keene here on the Augusta Golf Show.
Talk a little bit about and now you're playing in one.
Talk a little bit about what it's like needing to
make the cut so you can actually play Augusta National.

Speaker 16 (29:46):
It's so stressful. Honestly, the week as a whole, regardless
of whether you make a cut. I played in four,
I made two cuts, I missed two cuts, regardless of
how that goes.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Of course you want to.

Speaker 16 (29:56):
Be playing on Saturday, but it is just such a
special week. The tournament and the staff and everyone just
goes out of their way to make every player and
every family feel just super special. But that for that Thursday,
I guess, which is our second round, is so stressful
because it used to be that it was a hard

(30:18):
cut off at thirty. It wasn't thirty and ties, it
was thirty makes a cut, so you and champions retreat
is so difficult that like you're almost stressed until that
last pop goes in. And the two times that I
made the cut, I had kind of been outside the
number needed to make some birdies coming in. So it
was nice just for me to be able to build

(30:41):
off of those couple of birdies on those last couple
of holes both years and use that energy and that
momentum to feed into Saturday, because you know, we're spoiled.
Everyone gets to play a practice around on Friday at Augusta,
and it's just such a special day. There's no one
at the golf course except the players and their caddies
and maybe the odd family member. But it's just so
quiet and so serene. But then being able to actually

(31:04):
compete on that golf course, and you know, be able
to walk around with all the patrons there and just
everyone there to support women's golf is so special and
you feel like you're part of just something bigger which
really doesn't get to happen all that much. And women's
golf period, but specifically women's amateur golf.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Had tons of players come on this program refusing to
play the golf course until they compete on the golf course.
Had you played Augusta National before, I.

Speaker 16 (31:33):
Had played the golf course before, I would never turn
down a chance to play. But it was so special.
I remember my first time stepping on property. It's just
you're hit with this wave of emotion. It's just such
a special place to golf in the history of golf,
and so any golfer that's grown up watching the Masters

(31:55):
and hearing the stories about the golf shots hit and
all these things. It's like the mecca for golfers. And
you just know that there's not many people that get
the chance to actually go play this golf course, and
it's just unbelievable really after.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
A few trips around the golf course, your impressions, your
feelings about the strategy and how you played it.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
It's hard.

Speaker 16 (32:18):
I think the guys make it look really easy on TV,
and it is not. I think it's so important there
to have control over your golfel, specifically into the greens.
I think the one thing that doesn't translate to television
coverage of the Masters is how undulating the greens are.

(32:38):
It kind of looks like little slopes here and there,
but then you step on there and these are like
massive amounts that you're trying to navigate on these green complexes.
So being able to control which section of the greens
you're hitting your irons into is important.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
And then.

Speaker 16 (32:51):
I was really lucky. I have this awesome local caddie
named Sean Moore who's caddied for me all four years
that I played, and and he was incredible with reading
the greens because they're so undulated, they're so hard to read.
And there's times that I'm looking at this and I'm like, Okay,
looks like it's gonna move a cup right to left
Sean and he goes, no, it's moving two cups left
to right, and I'm oh, perfect, okay, But being able

(33:15):
to trust him was awesome.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
You get great swag. Have you kept all the swag?

Speaker 16 (33:20):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (33:21):
I have.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Do you use any evidence? Do you do you use
the yardage book or yeah?

Speaker 17 (33:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (33:27):
And I think like, not only the yard book. You know,
they give us like a polo with the logo on
it and all this stuff, and I always get really
excited if I'll be wearing it out and someone will
recognize the logo and I'm like, oh, like, that's so
cool that you watch the golf plurament and that you
like keep up with it.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Before I let you go, Let's catch up a little
bit out on the EBS and tour, a couple of
tournaments under your belt. How's it going, what are the goals?
Tell me about tell me about where you are right now?

Speaker 17 (33:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (33:55):
So I just finish first three events on the EPs
and Tour and now we have a a five week
break before we go again.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
It's been good.

Speaker 16 (34:03):
I was I was definitely bummed to miss out a
Q School by a shot, but honestly it's been even
just through three events, I've learned a lot. I feel
like I'm starting to kind of get my footing and
get into the like the weekly routine of professional golf,
because it's so different from amateur and college golf. You know,
you kind of show up twenty four hours before play
your one practice round and you're ready to go, and

(34:26):
so it feels almost like a sprint, whereas these weeks
feel more like a marathon because it's like, Okay, you
have four days to get to know the golf course,
so how do you like make sure that you're like
ready to go come Thursday morning. So it's just different,
and it's been fun seeing a lot of the friends
that I've made through amateur golf kind of in a
different setting. You know, when you're with your team in college,
you get to see these people and you get to

(34:47):
catch up briefly, but the majority of your time is
spent with your team. So now kind of getting to
reconnect with a lot of these girls, you know, the
ones that went to school on the West Coast and
like all these California girls. It's been really great kind
of rekindling those friendships when I feel like we all
have a little bit more time.

Speaker 17 (35:03):
On our hands.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Is this a good time off or are you itching
to get back out there.

Speaker 16 (35:08):
I think a little bit of both. I think I've
been really excited to come home and kind of hit
the regroup button just a little bit. But I'm definitely excited.
Our next stretch of event is over on the West Coast,
so we'll get to go to some cool places. We
play right next to Zaion National Park, which I'm pumped for.
I don't know what I'm ever going to get to
go back, So it should be a really great hopefully

(35:30):
a great year and a great charge of events coming up.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
She is Rachel Kean. She is out on the Ebsent Tour.
It is great to catch up with you. It's good
to hear your voice, Rachel. Thank you, thank you for
doing this.

Speaker 16 (35:41):
No, this is so great. Thank you for letting me
relive these moments. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
It's Rachel Keen. She is a wonderful young woman. Again,
she is playing on the Ebsent Tour. But remember the name.
Remember the name, because I will not be surprised when
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Speaker 2 (40:24):
Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
Bernhardliner is a two time Masters winner member of the
World Golf Hall of Fame. He continues his winning ways
out on the PGA Tour Champions Tour, holding the record
there for most victories he's playing in his fortieth and
final Masters. It's a pleasure to welcome Bernhard Langer back

(40:44):
to the Augusta Golf Show. How are you, Bernhard?

Speaker 6 (40:48):
I'm wonderful. Thank you, John.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Okay, last year you were supposed to play in your
final Master's injury prevented that. How long have you been
thinking about? How did you know it was time?

Speaker 6 (41:04):
Well? I knew it was time because when I played
the last couple of tournaments, the golf course is just
getting longer and I'm getting shorter, and that's the bad combination.
So it was my plan was to play last year,
but then I tore my achilles attendant and that was
no more the possibility to do that. That was out

(41:26):
for several months, and I figured I'm going to try
to make it my last one this year, and hopefully
in about two weeks we'll be there on the first seat.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
When's the last time you played.

Speaker 6 (41:38):
Pickleball since I got hurt?

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Okay, when's the next time you're going to play pickleball?

Speaker 6 (41:45):
Never? Probably? As much as I love the game, I
don't think it's a good fit for me at this
point in time.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
You are uber competitive, So what's your goal at Augusta.

Speaker 6 (42:00):
Well, the main goal is to stay farewell and enjoy
my last few rounds around Augusta National as a competitor.
If to make the cut is the goal, that is
a very losty goal. But I'm still going to try
because I'm just hitting too many long clubs into these dreams.

(42:21):
But it can be done. If my game is on
and everything is clicking. I think I have a small
slim chance of making the cut, but if not, I'm
still going to try and enjoy the moment in front
of my you know, family, grandkids, friends and just fans

(42:44):
that I have accumulated over the last forty odd years
at the Mastership.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
You know, I mentioned to you before we went on
the radio that you were my first champion. I started
there in eighty five. I'm old enough to remember you
using that wheel during the practice rounds. What don't you
know about that golf course?

Speaker 6 (43:07):
I should know most things, but I'm sure there's stuff
that I have no clue about. You know, that may
be a good thing, and they constantly tweak, you know,
the golf course. There's little changes here, little subtle things there.
It's always interesting to find out, you know, what was
done the last twelve months since we were there, and

(43:33):
but it's all good changes. They've done a phenomenal job
of elevating this tournament more and more every year and
making it better and better for the players, the patrons,
even the viewers on television. I think everybody involved is
really enjoying it.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
You know, through the years, Bernhard, have you ever taken
advantage of your ability to play that golf course other
than for tournament preparation.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
I've only played twice without the tournament. I've traveled dead
twice with a member and was able to invite a
couple of my friends or family members and really enjoyed it.
We had two weekends that were a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I'm assuming you have not seen it since the storm.
I have not, dear correct, Okay, I mean no disrespect
when I asked this, But Bernhard, you're now one of
the old guys at the dinner. At your first few dinners,
did you pick the brains of the older champions?

Speaker 6 (44:40):
Well, I think most young players, when they're coming first
the second time whatever to the masters, we try and
you know, play a practice round with one of the
champions that has been there for a long time and
kind of picked their brain, or in the locker room
you ask, you know, players about this and that and
how they go about attacking this hole or the whole

(45:03):
golf course. Yeah, I think that's a common thing that
happens all the time, and I certainly did the same.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
We're talking with Bernhard Langer here on the Augusta Golf Show,
our younger play players picking your brain.

Speaker 6 (45:17):
Oh yes, it's happening just about every time I go there.
You know, they call a few weeks and months before
and see if they can sign up for practice rounds
or yeah, mostly practice rounds, and then when we play together,
they ask a few questions about this and that, and
you know, what to pay attention to or how I

(45:38):
would play the whole.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
So that's.

Speaker 6 (45:42):
Yeah, it's something I think it's almost the tradition because
it's the golf course that the more you know about it,
the better you offer.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
How have your as you have gotten older, Bernhard, how
have your feelings changed or have they about that dinner
on Tuesday night? How do you look at it these days?

Speaker 6 (46:00):
Yes, you know, I've always enjoyed it. I always thought
it was a brilliant idea and a great tradition to
have the champions come together and have a very informal
dinner in a sense where it's just the champions so
they can relax. They don't have to pretend to do

(46:20):
any anything they don't want to do. Really, it's just
a good time together with good food and some good
stories and good laughs. And you know, it just affirms
to us how blessed we are to be in a
small circle of Master's champions.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
You know, as I was thinking about our conversation and
thinking about how you are talking to the players of
today and how the players of yesteryear spoke to you,
tell me about your relation. I don't think I've ever
asked you this or heard you talk about this. Tell
me about your relationship with Sevy. How the two of
you get along.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
Well, initially we were rivals for many years eighties and yeah,
up to the nineties. We were, you know, two of
the best players in Europe and actually around the world.
We were competing for the majors. We were competing for
a week by week whenever we teed up, we were
hoping to win, and there were many clashes. You know,

(47:19):
we were in playoffs together. We competed many times for
the same trophy in the same title and it was
important to both of us. So initially it was more rivals,
and then as we matured and gotten to know each
other a little better, we became friends. And so it

(47:42):
was just something that happened over time.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Did Ryder Cup teams happen or you know, did Ryder
Cup teams play a role in developing the friendship?

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (47:52):
Absolutely, yeah. I mean when you're in a team room
with only twelve guys and a couple of captains and
pulling for each other and giving each other advice and
helping each other, I think that we'll certainly, you know,
tighten the bond.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Have you ever have you ever asked anybody for their autograph?

Speaker 6 (48:17):
Yes? Actually that's probably the only time at the Masters,
mostly when I usually buy one or two of those
yellow flags and have all of the champions so it's
not just one. Usually have all of them sign the
flag and then I give it to charity and try
and raise some money for the charities I'm involved in,

(48:38):
and it yeah, they brought in some good money.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
So you do you not have an autograph that you
have personally kept.

Speaker 6 (48:47):
I've kept one of the flags for myself. Yes, with
all the champions on it. But most of the other
ones I've given away.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
I saw them on the telecast. I think it's every
buddy did when you played your last DP World Tour
event in Germany last year. How emotional? And I don't
I don't think of you as an emotional person. How
emotional will you be wrapping up in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 6 (49:16):
I will be quite emotional. I am actually an emotional person,
believe it or not. It may not show much on
the golf course generally, but I've been on to cry
a lot and laugh a lot and all that. So
just ask my kids, to my family. But it will
be it will be bittersweet, and it will be in

(49:36):
a way difficult to you know, hold hold in the
tears and emotions when you're still trying to play a
golf tournament. But it will be very special I think too.
As I said, family and friends just a few steps
away outside the road.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Is that what you are looking forward to the most,
having family and friends around you.

Speaker 6 (50:02):
Yeah, It's always been a big part of my life.

Speaker 15 (50:04):
You know.

Speaker 6 (50:04):
Family is very important to me, always was and always
will be. And it's a wonderful thing too. That's one
of the reasons I love the PNC Championship so much,
the father Son Tournament because I can play with one
of my kids and the other kids make caddy or
be there to cheers on, and that's why it's such

(50:26):
an emotional and fantastic event for me.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Yeah. I had that work out for you last year.

Speaker 6 (50:32):
Yes, Yeah, very blessed.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
He is Bernhard Longer. He'll be playing competing in his
final Masters in just a couple of weeks. Bernhard, thank you,
thank you, thank you for doing this. I deeply appreciate it.
I know you're being tugged on in a bunch of
different directions. Thank you for doing this. I can't wait
to see you.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
Thank you, John, appreciate your support over the US forty years.

Speaker 17 (50:52):
Take care.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Thank you. Burnhard. There you go. That's burn Hard Longer.
Don't go away, We're coming right back. You are listening
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Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
It's time for our why I love the game segment
portion of the show where somebody tells us why the
game of golf is so important and so meaningful in
their life. This morning, his chip on the second playoff
hold of the nineteen eighty seven Masters to beat Greg
Norman will go down as one of the greatest shots

(54:46):
in the history of the Masters. Larry Mize tells us
why he still loves the game of golf.

Speaker 13 (54:54):
Well, you know, I love the game of golf because
it is just it's a great game. I really think
that there's a it's a character builder. You know. One
of the great things about the game of golf is
we we uh we rule ourselves, you know, we we
we penalize ourselves. We are the ones that uh uh
you know we we we call penalties. We don't try

(55:16):
and get away with something. You actually call penalties on
yourself when you play roll when you do something wrong.
So I think that it's just a great game that
builds a character. You know, golf is a game where
if you play well, you play well. If you play bad,
you play bad. There's no pointing of fingers to someone else.
And that's just uh, it's it's it's great in that regard,

(55:36):
and I think the other thing you can play at
your entire life. I mean, I started playing when I
was a little kid, and you know, I hope to
be playing even in my eighties. So it's something that's
it's a game for life, and there's a just you
get a lot of friends. I've had a lot of
friends over the years from playing golf, so I think
there's a lot of that fellowship that you can have
on the golf course is pretty neat. So it's just

(55:57):
a great game and I really enjoy playing.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Here you go larrymis and why he still loves the
game of golf. Hey, if you'd like to comment about
anything you heard on the show this morning, I would
love to hear from you. Good comment, bad comment, you
know what. I'd love to know what you think. I
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(56:25):
If you missed any of the conversations here this morning,
All of the conversations are available on the website Augustagolfshow
dot com slash listen. All right, that's the show for
this week. I do want to thank my guests Doctor
Bob Jones, The Fourth, Rachel Keene and Bernhardliner. Thank you
for taking the time to listen. Please make sure the

(56:47):
other members of your foursome know about the program and
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(57:08):
five point thirty. Have a great weekend, enjoy the masters.
Thank you for listening to The Augusta Golf Show with
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will see you next time. So long, bye bye.

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Show was written and performed by Jim Brickman. I'm Jeff
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