The Augusta Golf Show with John Patrick/Peter Kessler & Michael Breed

This weekend,
Peter Kessler on Scottie Scheffler's win at the Open Championship
Michael Breed on replacing those long irons with fairway woods

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 4 (00:37):
You know, I didn't get to see Jack Nicholas in
his prime. I guess that probably maybe Hogan or Nicholas
would be the closest thing to what we're seeing with
Scheffler's this ability to execute.

Speaker 5 (00:48):
Shot after shot after shot, and.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
We really haven't in this generation.

Speaker 6 (00:52):
We didn't.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Tiger Woods's talent is above all else. I'll argue that
with anybody, I think he's the most talented guy to
ever play the game, but Tiger missed more shots than
Scottie does.

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the program this morning. That's it. We're done. All the
men's major championships are over already, We're done for like

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eight months. Scottischeffler won his fifth major championship, his second
this year, dominating at the Open Championship, and as is
our tradition, Peter Kessler will join us this morning to
give us his thoughts on Scotti's win and where we
are in a historical perspective with what we've seen from
Scheffler over the last couple of years. So Peter will

(02:55):
be here for an extended conversation. Then it's like old
Golf Channel home week around here. Look back on a
conversation I had at the beginning of the year with
my friend Michael Bred. We covered a variety of topics,
but I really wanted to get to Michael about putting
fairway woods in your bag, taking the long irons out

(03:18):
and putting more fairway woods in. It's always fun to
have Michael on the show, so we'll revisit that conversation
a little bit later on this morning. As always, I'll
let you know where to find the golf on TV
this weekend and if we have time this morning. In
our Why I Love the Game segment, Mike t Rico,
who has been busy the last few weeks, but we'll

(03:40):
only get busier with football and basketball seasons coming up,
we'll tell us why he loves the game of golf. Okay,
coming up Michael Breed, but first Peter Kessler on Scotty
and the Open Championship. Stay right there. Thank you for
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Good morning, and welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show.
I'm John Patrick. Okay, here we go something we started
many years ago. Peter Kessler is an award winning broadcaster
and golf historian, gracious following each of the game's big
events to join us with his thoughts and perspective. It's
a pleasure to welcome my friend Peter Kessler back to

(08:01):
the Augusta Golf Show. How are you, Peter?

Speaker 6 (08:04):
I am well and I am delighted to be with you,
and I just thought last week was absolutely sensational.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
You know, we don't have decades of accomplishments, but can
you put what Scotty has done the last couple of
years into some sort of historical perspective?

Speaker 6 (08:25):
Yeah, I believe, I can. I believe that. You know,
first of all, he's been the number one player of
the world every week since the middle of twenty twenty two.
That's a really long time. That's so many weeks that
it's more than Rory McElroy has been number one in
the world for his entire career. I mean, this is

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really stunning stuff. And he's already if we just look
at the first twenty five years of you know, this
this century, you know, setting aside Tiger's run which really
went through two thousand and nine and then of course
picking up that last Masters in twenty nineteen. He's the

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first great player to join the tour since Tiger did
in nineteen ninety six, the first great player. He does
everything better than everybody else, and you know, it's about
eightieth and driving distance, which means three hundred yards, which

(09:28):
is plenty. The difference between eightieth and tenth is just
a few yards. It's an infitesimal thing. Like the putting rankings.
If you're first and somebody else's twentieth, it's like a
quarter of a stroke per round, So you're talking about
really small numbers. His ability to do what Tiger used

(09:48):
to do. That fascinates me and pleases me the most
is his ability to grab the lead and then extend it.
You know, the last three may years that he's won,
he's won by three shots, four shots in five shots.
It's like a fifty five to ten football game. I mean,
it might as well been twenty four shots. And Harris

(10:11):
English his family, who Harris been a second, said, how'd
he get on there? I mean, it's the worst group
of players literally in my lifetime on the PGA tour.
If you look at nineteen seventy five through two thousand
and compare it with two thousand and one through now,

(10:35):
the number of great players in nineteen seventy five through
two thousand is so many more because there's almost none
down In those days, you had everybody Jack and Lee
Arnold was still relevant, Johnny Miller's in the wise call
Tom Watson, I mean, you know, Tiger and Nick Faldo
and Nick Price, Greg Norman. I mean, it was just

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the most unbelievable time. And I was very fortunate to
have my golf on air career take place during that
phase of time, because only three players of that whole
century weren't alive when I was doing shows on television.

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Now I can't think of anybody I'd like to interview.
I mean literally, we had a list of three or
four hundred people that we want to interview for Golf
Talk Live on the Golf Channel, and we watch all
of them, and now I look at it and say,
you know, is that even a job that would be
interesting at this point? Scotty, his driving is unbelievable. That

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little cut that he hits a hold, the cut specifically
that he hits keeps him in play all of the time.
But he's also the best player into the green. He
is the best iron player and a good player since Tiger.

(12:03):
He HiT's more shots to ten and fifteen feet than
even Tiger did. It's absolutely stunning, and the ten and
fifteen footers that he leaves himself are always the one
that you would want. It's on the correct side of
the hole. It's either going up the hill or if
it's going along the side of the hill, then there's

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just a right edge putt. There's not big breaking putts
at port Rush penn High like you would have, say
at Augusta, where from twenty feet you could have twenty
five feet of break. That's not the case at port Rush.
I also think that port Rush is the best golf
course in the world. It's the absolute best course in
the world, easily the best course in all of Ireland.

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You know, you go to Balley Bunyon, can't even see anything.
All you see in front of you when you're standing
on the tee is a mountain. At the top of
the mountain is a rock painted white and that's supposed
to point the line that you should end up on
when your ball finishes on the other side, So you
have no idea what you're even getting to. At port
Rush you can see what's going on and it's not

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tricked up. And the green side, the bunkering and the
green side sloping is absolutely brilliant, you know. And the
BBC and Sky are much much better at producing and
shooting golf than any of the American company CBS or
ABC or NBC, who literally, in relationship to what you're

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able to give to us out of the UK in
Northern Ireland is significantly better. They went from shot to
shot and as always, you know, I had the sound
off and was listening to music. By the way, Paul McCartney,
of course is coming to town, and I'm going to
drive up to Atlanta on November second and watch the

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show that Sunday night and stay over and watch the
show on Monday night back home. So I wanted to
get the McCartney reference.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
And I was proud of you for that, for good job.

Speaker 6 (14:07):
And Scotty is like Tiger there, Paul McCartney. I mean,
the thing about Scotty in a comparisons to Tiger is
that it's premature. He needs to do this for five
more years exactly what he's doing now. Then you can
start to draw comparisons. Because remember Rory McElroy from twenty

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eleven to twenty fifteen, when he won his four majors
and was having an absolutely out of control early start
to his career, has basically become just another player. One
of the best, yes, but his putting is atrocious, his
short game is atrocious. His long game is absolutely brilliant.

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But he's all alone in terms of the guy trying
to get to Scheffler and shefferd does it everything better
than Rory does. Play better, he's his iron better, he
hips better, cuts better, he thinks better, he stays calmer,
he's not thinking about things. He's like much, much more

(15:12):
like Jack Nicholas then Tiger in terms of temperament. Jack
was just very comfortable in his own world. He knew
that there was nobody who could compete with him if
he played well. He once said to me, in reference
to top tens, he said, if I finished tenth, He said,

(15:32):
do you know how bad I have to play to
finish tenth in a golf tournament? He said, I don't
even count top threes, and I only count top twos.
If I played my very very best golf all the
way to the end and somebody actually played a little
bit better, and that's what he expected out of himself.
And Scheffer went on record last week saying that, yeah,
God was a really important part of my life, but

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it's not my life. Same as true of Jack Nicholas.
He was never on the road playing golf more than
two weeks, went on to his family and twenty five children.
So Jack had things in proportion in his life like
Scottie Scheffler does, and he's calm like Jack inside. It's

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not thinking about other things like Greg Norman and Colin
Montgomery and Rory mcrroy hearing those butterflies screaming in the
adjoining meadow. So he's got the perfect temperament to the game,
and his swing is built in such a way that
he hits the same shot basically every time, that tiny

(16:35):
little cut with every single club. Can he draw the
ball if he needs to, Absolutely, and there were three
or four times during the week when he had to.
He doesn't get flustered. So what he's done in the
last few years is absolutely now the best start of
anybody who's joined the tour of this century. Remember Jordan

(16:56):
Speed was going to be the next big star. Rory
mclory where he was, you know, after winning the Masters
to complete the Grand Step, was going to raise his
way to to ten majors from five majors. I don't
think so, and I think one of the reasons for
that is that he's relieved that he completed the career
slam as opposed to. Okay, got that out of the way. Now,

(17:17):
let's keep this thing moving and see if we can
we can go ahead and catch Tiger. I don't think
he's thinking that. I don't think he's capable of that.
I don't think that's going to happen. I think he's
too a dismissive of circumstances when he isn't playing well
instead of not being happy about it. He's too easy

(17:38):
to smile, he's too easy to go on to the
next subject. And so I believe he's relieved at this point.
But Scotti Sheffler, right now, you know that excluding what
Tiger did you know from two thousand and one through
say two thousand and nine, this is the best start.
I mean, what Justin Thomas was going to be unbelievable.

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Brooks kept five majors to Rory's none during a time
period from twenty fifteen until just a couple of years
ago when you decided to take the money and run.
That's the other problem is that the fields are so bad,
partially because four players who should be playing the PGH

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are on a regular basis who left and went to
live are the four guys that would have been challenging Scheffner,
along with Roy McCoy, John Rahm and Brooks, and even
Deschambeau and Cam Smith. They've literally given up competitive golf
because they don't play it anymore. And that's why, no

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matter how did they play in a major, they just
haven't played enough serious golf under serious enough circumstances, on
good enough courses, good enough greens to be able to
maintain a competitive edge. They're basically playing in a three
day member guest in shorts with music, and the win
could finish on the sixth hold in one of those tournaments.

(19:03):
My fear is now because LIV has just hired somebody
new to run it, a really savvy marketing and brand guy,
and the tours just hired a new guy, a marketing
and savvy brand guy. The guy would not have taken
the job running Live if he didn't intend for Live
to continue to exist. But it's not going anywhere. They're

(19:26):
going to create a world tour in hopes of also
getting young people to play all around the world. That
isn't happening, So there's no reason for this guy who's
joining is that is running as a CEO would have
taken this job if he wasn't going to let the
things continue to run, and that they weren't willing to

(19:49):
continue to fund it. But it's a non starter. My
only fear is because they're best friends. Literally, these two
guys are going to run Live and the PGA Tour
and go to church together and go out to together.
My only fear is that liv might coach another player
from the tour, and I'm hopeful that doesn't happen. I
don't believe it's going to happen. And again, I don't

(20:12):
think Live is going anywhere, and I think this guy
has taking it for the money and just see what
he could do. But there's nothing doable there. So that's
for really sensational one time players who are no longer
on leaderboards at PGA tournaments and can't finish a major
because they're just not tournament sharp enough. What Scottie Scheffler

(20:35):
is doing. I mean, Shane Lowery said to him after
two rounds they played together. He said, I thought you
were going to burdy every single hole. Shane Lowry's caddy said,
I've been caddying for forty years. He said, I've never
seen anybody play golf like this. I've never seen anybody
hit it right up to the whole, shot after shot
after shot after shot. So the quality of his goalf

(20:57):
is second to nobody in every area of the game.
It's extremely unusual to basically lead the field in greens,
in regulation and in putting, because if you're hitting all
the greens, you know you're going to average closer to
two putts around than you are at one cut around.
And yet he's number one in putty because hitting the

(21:18):
ball so close to the hole. He's not shipping and
putting to have that putting average. He's doing it by
knocking the ball on the green. So how are you
going to beat the guy who hits the greens in
regulation close enough to the hole to also lead the
field and putting. That's like Tiger, you know, at you
think about Tiger in two thousand at the US Open,

(21:39):
which was the same tournament basically to me, is the
one we just watched. You know, Tiger had a ten
shot lead on the Saturday night and I said to
him that evening, I said, what's your goal for tomorrow?
He said, just not to make any bogue. He said,
I don't make any bogies said, nothing back can happen,
and that would have been a Scottie Shepherd's goal, or
just not make any bogies and extend the lead. He

(22:00):
started the day with the poor shot lead, kept the
four shot lead even with the double bogie, and just
absolutely made everybody else look second class and second rate.
So the reason Sunday was so great, even though he
had a big lead to start the day, is because
you're watching the best player in the world, like Tiger

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in two thousands of the US Open at Pebble, on
a Sunday, playing one of the really great courses in
the history of golf, and hoping he extends the lead.
You don't need an exciting tournament with somebody coming to
get him or him falling back. We knew that wasn't
going to happen when you have the chance to watch
the best player on the best course in the world

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go out on a Sunday with a big lead, and
everybody's going to watch because you know that this is
an amazingly historical, fantastic, rare moment, and Scotty was able
to pull it off, and he's going to keep pulling it.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Off, all right, Hang on Peter. We're running like we
got to take a break. I'm not done with Peter
coming back for a couple of more minutes. In a
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Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick. Okay,
let's wrap up the conversation with Peter Kessler. Just one
more thing, Peter, I'm kind of curious about the comments
that Scottie made last week about keeping the golf game
in perspective. Let's go back to your Golf Talk Live days.
You're in your chair, he's on the couch and he

(28:46):
says that what's your follow up question?

Speaker 6 (28:51):
Well, you know it's it's one that doesn't beg for
a follow up question. It kind of bigs for a
conclusion that you can draw, which is you got all
of the pieces in the right place relative to every
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(29:14):
the way he conducted his life and the way he
conducted his golf, And for Scottie Scheffler, there really isn't
a question. It's more that's absolutely fantastic. Is there anything
that you could think of that you would want to
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(29:36):
time you spend playing golf, how much time you spend
with your family, And the question would really be. It
seemed to me, Scottie, when the tournament was over on
the Sunday, the happiest I saw you was when you
had finished and you were standing behind the eighteenth green
and your little baby son started running up the hill

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through the d grass and fell down. That was the
happiest I've ever seen you since I've watched you playing golf,
and so you know that that's the most important thing
to him. He did no smiling of that magnitude at
the completion of play until his family was back with
him in his life and right next to him. So

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it's a congratulations. And if there's a question, it's was
that the best moment of the day when your little
boy was running up the hill and falling down in
the grass, to which he would say, yes, And that's
who Scottie Scheffler is.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Last question, we got to run play with me here
a little bit humor me. There was never a Tiger
Woods didn't exist. Would we be looking at what Scotty
is doing differently if Tiger's records didn't loom so large?

Speaker 6 (30:55):
Well, yes, And that's why more time has to pass
so we can get to the point where we can
set Tiger's record aside and look at Scotty solely for
what he's doing now. Yes, still in relationship to Tiger Woods,
but as an individual who is doing things that have

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basically not been done then since Jack Nicholas's time. I mean,
you have to go back to the next greatest player
who ever lived before Tiger. But yes, the comparisons would
still exist, except they would be in relationship to Jack Nicholas,
which is the much more appropriate example, because Tiger didn't

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see his life or conduct it in the way that
Jack did and Scotty Scheffler does, so comparisons never go away.
We would have just picked the next guy before him
and say how does that compare? And the answer is
it compares extremely well because they're basically the same person.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
He is Peter Kessler, award winning broadcaster, golf historian. We
turned to him after major events in the professional golf ranks.
I guess we'll be back together again around the Ryder Cup. Peter.
Thank you for doing this. I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (32:13):
I love being with you. Johnny the best in the business,
and it's always a pleasure to be included. And I
can't thank you enough for letting me be a part
of your world. Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 2 (37:41):
Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick
revisiting a conversation that I had at the beginning of
the year with my friend Michael Breed. Michael has been
a National Teacher of the Year, host of a new
Breed of Golf on Sirius XM PGA Tour Network, also
the host of Course Record with Michael Breed, and was

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at one time an assistant at the National Here's the
conversation I had back in January with Michael Bred.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
I couldn't be better. Happy New Year to you and yours.
I hope you're doing as well as I.

Speaker 15 (38:14):
Well.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
I don't know that anyone does as well as you,
but hey, Hey, do you name of the show course record?
Do you have a course record? Anywhere?

Speaker 5 (38:23):
I had a course record. It's actually quite a funny story.
So there's a place down of Florida called Lake Nona. Sure,
and when it had just opened. I'm not kidding now,
I am not an arrogant person. I am a person
who likes to have a lot of fun. So the
course was open for probably i'm gonna say maybe five months,

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six months, not long. And I walked into a makeshift
pro shop. I saw the person back there and I said,
how you doing. We're playing golf today? At whatever time
we were teeing off, where's the first tea and what
the course record? And they said, well, the first t
is over here and the course record is sixty seven.
And then I went out. I was playing with a

(39:10):
good couple, good friends of mine. Actually I went out
and I shot sixty six, and they made a clock
for me that I still have that is probably displayed
in my office. The next day, rock O mediate, Steve
Pate and somebody else went out and Pate apparently shot
sixty five. That course record lasted for one day.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
But you got the clock out of it.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
But I have a clock. That's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
What's the lowest you've ever shot?

Speaker 5 (39:39):
Michael, I shot a sixty three at the Dorset Field
Club in nineteen eighty six, and I have shot sixty
four twice at Augusta National back in the back in
the early ninety ninety one.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Good for you.

Speaker 13 (39:58):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I don't mean to turn this into a medicare test.
What's the word for today? What's the word today?

Speaker 5 (40:05):
You know, it's an interesting one. So we bounced them
around a number of words today, but the word of
the day today is concentrate. Okay, today's a concentrate day.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
Now.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
What's interesting about this word is people don't practice it,
but you can practice it, and you have to become
good at it, because if you don't practice it, you
will end up not being able to concentrate. And concentration,
to me is always this idea that you're thinking about
what you want to think about when you want to
think about it, and a lot of times, and you

(40:37):
know this because you love the game of golf. We
do things without thinking about what we're doing. We're paying
attention to what we're doing and then we go, wait
a second, why did I do that? Like I wasn't
like you almost hit a shot. You weren't ready to
hit even though you're the person who is controlling the
action in this sport. It's wild. So yes, So today's

(40:58):
a concentrate day.

Speaker 13 (40:59):
Do I.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Have to imagine knowing you like I do? You're a multitasker,
But do you like multitasking?

Speaker 5 (41:08):
You're one hundred percent right. I am a multitasker, and
I like multitasking because it feeds my personality. I can't
sit still. I have to, Like if I have a
phone call, I walk. I cannot sit down in a chair.
I so as I'm talking to you, I'm actually I'm
actually putting. I'm working on my putting stroke. So yes,

(41:33):
I'm multitasking once again.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Well, Lisa, Lisa gives me a hard time because I
cannot stand still. I just I kind of way. Yeah,
you know. I reached out to you because I wanted
to have a discussion on the topic of replacing some
of the longer irons in your bag with some of
the newer Fairway Woods. Are you a fan of this?

Speaker 5 (41:55):
I actually funny you should say that I went to
a five would last year and I'm sixty two, But
I don't have like my clubhet speed with my drivers
about one o two one oh three now, and that's
something I've been working on in the last three or
four years. So I've lifted my clubhead speed up just

(42:17):
through some training and some knowledge. And I will tell
you that that as clubhead speeds go down, fairway woods
and headcovers should go up in your bag. Right, So
the answer is yeah, I'm a I'm a big fan
of it, large part because when you take when you
think about one of the most important sort of inventions,

(42:42):
it's not really an invention, I guess, it's one of
the more important understandings of how to hit a golf
ball where you're looking. And one of the reasons why
people talk about game improvement clubs and the game getting
too easy and all these different things that the USGA
is launching too, which I think is just not not so.
Center of gravity of the club head and its relationship

(43:06):
to the faith is a really important understanding for golf
club development. And when you start to understand simple things
like the closer the center of gravity is to the face,
the less launch you're going to get, the less back
spin you're going to get, and the more curve you're
going to get, the more errancy you're going to get.

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Then what helps people that are struggling with their game
and trying to get the ball up into the air
and trying to hit a straighter shot. One of the
most helpful things that you can do is get the
center of gravity away from the face. And that's exactly
what fairway woods will do. You get a five wood
that's got say sixteen or eighteen degrees of lost on it,

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and you have the depth of that head, which is probably,
depending upon the club itself, two and a half three inches.
Now the center of gravity of the club is back
there from the face. That's going to help you get
the ball in the air and help you hit it straighter.
For those people that are struggling with hitting a draw,
this is one of the best things that you can
do is get a fairway wood that's got some lost

(44:13):
and so if like when I talk to people who
are trying to hit the ball a little bit straighter,
get rid of their splice, they struggle with drawing the ball,
hit a five wood off of a tee and you're
going to hit it straighter. So I'm a big fan
of fairway woods.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
We're talking with Michael bred here on the Augusta Golf Show. Okay,
as we go up, Michael, five wood, seven wood, maybe more,
talk to me a little bit about ball position.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
So this is one of the greatest conversations John, that
we could have, because this is I've been having a
debate and it's not it has not been solved in
the four years that I've been having this debate as
to what's a more important fundamental how you hold the
club or where the ball is in your stand right,

(45:02):
And so, because I do believe that ball position, first
of all, the big misunderstanding is it's an upper body thing,
not a lower body thing. And every book you've ever read,
it's always said, well, and it starts with Hogan, and
Nicholas did the same, and Seymour done, and all used
to go all the way back to HB. Farney, who
wrote the first instructional book ever in eighteen fifty seven.

(45:25):
They all talk about the ball relative to your feet.
And the only thing that happens when you have a
narrow stance versus a wider stand is when you get wider,
your spine drops back towards your trail foot. And so
what I try to explain to people that I coach
is always look at ball position relative to your upper

(45:47):
body and the ball position. I believe in four different
ball positions. There's a ball position that's on your nose,
there's one that's on your left eye, there's one that's
on your left ear, and then there's one that's on
your armpit, or you go inside the armpit right there
on the on the leads shoulder. That's where I think
the ball positions are. And there's four of them, and

(46:09):
so driver sits alone in its most forward position, but
it's never outside of the arm pit. And then the
fairway woods and the long irons are sort of in
that ear to plack it of the shirt if you will,
I mean the logo on the shirt, and then that
that would then put you into the mid irons, which

(46:31):
in my opinion go all the way down to like
eight iron. So you're going to have a six, seven,
eight irons, they're going to be you know, left eye
slightly and then wedges nine iron, those things are going
to be off your notes. So I kind of look
at it through through a lens of four different ball positions,
and where is it relative to my head? Where is

(46:52):
it relative to my chest. What I see with people
that have the ball position too far forward is it
opens up their shoulders. Di's an out takeaway the club
working away from the strike line and the hands lifting
up and going outside and the shoulders actually tilting down
or sea sawing if you will. So if you see

(47:13):
starw your shoulders, the lead shoulder goes down, the traill
shoulder goes up, and it creates what is a fake turn.
Whereas when you take your ball and you move it
back in your stance a little bit, now, all of
a sudden, your shoulders get a little bit squarer, your
hand path works a little bit more in in the
back swing, and you get a little bit more depth,

(47:33):
which helps with a draw. The other fallacy about ball
position is and a lot of people think, well, if
I want to hit it high, I'm going to move
it forward. If I want to low and move it backward,
that's actually not true.

Speaker 10 (47:47):
That.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
What I tell people is if you want to hit
the ball low, stand close to it. Raymond Floyd taught
me that back when I was working at Augusta National
back in nineteen ninety and he said, when I'm hitting
short shots, I just stand as close to the ball
as I possibly can so that I can get the
club through without hitting my feet. And so when when

(48:10):
when I went hitded low, I stand closer to the ball.
When I want to hit it high, I stayed a
little farther away from the ball.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
What's what's the what's the what's the last golf shirt
you bought? Michael?

Speaker 10 (48:26):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (48:27):
Now see this is where things get interesting. So am
I Have I bought this for myself?

Speaker 8 (48:34):
I bought this for no?

Speaker 2 (48:35):
No, no, no, have you bought it for yourself?

Speaker 5 (48:38):
I literally cannot remember. It's probably a shirt that I
bought at mid Ocean Club down in Bermuda, maybe five
six years ago, something like that. I don't I don't
buy a lot of shirts.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Well, gee, I wonder why when the new swag comes in,
does missus Breed insist on old stuff going out?

Speaker 5 (49:04):
You know what, now, John, you know this about me
because I like to consider myself a generous person. So
what I do is I donate a lot. I donate
to the Vets, and I give a lot of shirts
and over shirts to the Vets. I donate a lot
to churches. And then the other thing that we do

(49:29):
on Newbury to golf. We every single year, for about
three weeks around Christmas time, we give away a bunch
of stuff. My partners I List and put Joy and
Superstroke and all these different companies that I'm affiliated with,
we we give away a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
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Speaker 5 (49:48):
Shipped out over two hundred packages in that three week
period of time during this Christmas holiday season. And so
I will send out a bunch of swag that I have,
clothing and shoes and clubs. We gave away three sets

(50:09):
of wedges, two drivers. I mean, we gave away a
bunch of stuff. And I can't even tell you how
many shirts and sweatshirts and sweaters and stuff that I
give away. And when the new stuff comes in, I
do the exact same thing with other individuals. So yeah,
I'm very generous with good And by the way, it's

(50:29):
not my stuff, you know, footjoy sends it to me
and I just wear it. Stuff comes in, I give
away the other stuff.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Okay, he is are you still wearing a medium shirt?
Is that what you're wearing?

Speaker 5 (50:46):
I am a medium? I am a medium, Yes, I am.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
He is Michael Breed, a host of a new breed
of golf and PGA to our network on Serious XM Radio.
Thank you for starting my year off in just a
great way. Michael. It's great to hear your voice. Thank
you for doing this well.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
John listen. You know this because you have asked, and
I have always said whenever you ask, I'm saying yes.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
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Speaker 5 (51:09):
I love coming on your show. I love listening when
I'm in Augusta. I love listening to the show. The
insight is always good. The guests that you have are fantastic,
and I'm very honored to be to be asked to
be on the show and certainly grateful for it. So
thank you and continued good fortune to you. And as

(51:30):
I said before, Happy New Year, my friend.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Here you go. Ah Hi, I love Michael. Michael Breed
from back in January. Hey, don't go away, We're coming
right back. You're listening to the Augusta Golf Show with
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Well.

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Oh, one more piece of housekeeping. If you missed any
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(57:02):
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