The Augusta Golf Show with John Patrick/Ian Baker-Finch, Tom Coyne & Matt Barksdale

On this weekend's show

Ian Baker-Finch on stepping away from CBS
Tom Coyne on buying a nine hole golf course
Matt Barksdale on coming to Pinehurst in the Fall

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Augusta Golf Show with John Patrick here
on News Talk WGAC.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Pleasure to welcome Johnson Wagner back to the Augusta Golf Show.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
I feel like the beauty of it is that we're
taking the viewer down on the ground at these venues
and really digging into some of the shots of the day,
and it's no I've gotten so comfortable. I've gotten so
comfortable with it and setting up a shot that the
outcome of the golf shot is almost doesn't matter compared
to the setup and where we are and where we're

(00:31):
taking the view He.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Is also the voice of the Tennessee Titans. It's a
pleasure to welcome Taylor's Arzer back to the Augusta Golf Show.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
You know, I didn't get to see Jack Nicholas in
his prime. I guess that probably maybe Hogan or Nicholas
would be the closest thing to what we're seeing with
Scheffler's this ability to execute.

Speaker 5 (00:48):
Shot after shot after shot, and.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
We really haven't in this generation.

Speaker 6 (00:52):
We didn't.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Tiger Woods's talent is above all else. I'll argue that
with anybody, I think he's the most talented guy to
ever play the game, but Tiger missed more shots than
Scottie does.

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Hey, Hi morning, Welcome to this week's Augusta Golf Show.
I'm John Patrick. Thanks for being here this morning.

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slash listen, okay, tell you about the show. This morning.
We are jampacked three great guests. We'll start this morning
with Ian Baker finch As you probably know, Finchy announced
he'll be stepping away from CBS at the end of

(02:36):
the weekend. He has been with CBS for it nineteen years.
He's been broadcasting golf for thirty years. This morning, he'll
spend a few minutes with us looking back and looking forward.
After Finchy, we'll catch up with my friend, author Tom Cooin.

(02:56):
Tom is the editor of the Golfers Journal, the gold
standard of publications in this game, but Tom juggles a
lot of different things. Last year he bought a golf course,
a nine hole course in Sullivan County, New York. I'll
talk to Tom about owning a golf course in just
a few minutes when Tom Coin joins us, and then

(03:18):
finally this morning. A couple of times each year we
check in with the folks at Pinehurst. The VP of Golf,
Matt Barksdale will be here a little later to talk
about my favorite time of year in the sandhills of
North Carolina, the fall. Lots of things happening at the
cradle of American golf, and we'll find out all of
it when Matt joins us. So that's the show for

(03:40):
this morning. Ian Baker Finch saying goodbye renaissance Man Tom Coin,
and we're gonna start planning a fall golf trip. As always,
I will let you know where to find the golf
on TV this weekend. And if there's time this morning,
in our Why I Love the Game segment, you know,
the name might even have one of the putters, Scottie Cameron,

(04:02):
will tell us why he loves the game of golf. Okay,
coming up Matt Barksdale on Pinehurst, Tom Con on owning
a golf course. But first, Ian Baker Finch on saying
goodbye to CBS. Stay right there, Thanks for being here
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(04:24):
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Speaker 2 (08:02):
Good morning, and welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show.
I'm John Patrick. Ian Baker Finch is a major champion,
winning the nineteen ninety one Open Championship. He's also a
PGA Tour winner. Most people know Finchy from his nineteen
years of broadcasting the game for CBS Sports Well. He'll
be retiring following this weekend's Wyndham Championship. It's a pleasure

(08:27):
to welcome Ian Baker Finch back to the Augusta Golf Show.
How are you, Finchy?

Speaker 6 (08:33):
I'm very well. Thank you John, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
How you doing with all of this?

Speaker 6 (08:38):
Ah? Great, It's been emotional. It's been overwhelming. Actually, it's
the outpouring of love and support and well wishes has
been far more than I expected or deserved. It's been fantastic.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Has has this been bubbling for a while?

Speaker 6 (08:56):
To be honest, It's something that I first thought of
somewhat last year when I went to the Masters and
the following week at the Heritage, and I realized it
was the fortieth year that I had been at those
two tournaments, and I thought, Wow, I've been doing this
a long time as a player and then with TV

(09:19):
and this year once again, forty first year at those
events and at the Byron Nelson Colonial Memorial, same thing,
forty first year at those places, and I thought, Wow, Unfortunately,
and rest their souls. I've had a few friends, more
than a handful over the last two or three years,
have passed away suddenly, and it really just got me thinking,

(09:43):
I would like to spend some quality time with my wife, Jenny,
who's been beside me for more than forty years, and
my grandkids, and I think it's time that I went
and did something else. I'm not old, but I'm getting
old and I just want to do more. And for example,
next year, I'll have twenty three more weekends to myself

(10:06):
because I won't be working for CBS for those twenty
three weeks.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
So when you were here in April, you knew you
were calling your last masters.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
No, no, I didn't know, but it was in the
back of my mind that I was thinking about because
my contract was up this year, and I know CBS
would love to have me call numerous more masters. I
know Jim nance would love me to be there beside
him for the next ten years when he calls his
fiftieth and I'd love to be as well. But I

(10:39):
and you know, when you're talking about the Masters this year,
I feel like I'm going out on the top of
my game because that was my favorite event ever and
I felt I did a good job and the CBS
team just produced an epic movie of outstanding, excellent. It's

(11:00):
just an amazing show that the Master's movie after this
year will just be fantastic.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
You know, Ian, But you and I both know what
Augusta National is like and who they like. So if
CBS or Sky Sports or somebody said, NA, come back
and do a Masters, would you do that?

Speaker 13 (11:21):
No?

Speaker 6 (11:21):
I would only do it with CBS. If I was
to do it or like a bit part as a
you know, if the Australian team sends someone over to
just do a few top and tails and take the
CBS feed, I would I have done that. I did
that for years before I joined CBS. I would come
over for the Australian Broadcasting Network at that time it

(11:43):
was Channel seven and then Channel nine, and I would
do the show for Australia and then for the last
nineteen years at CBS. But I'm not retiring retiring it, John,
I'm stepping away from the broadcast booth and the full
time side of that, but I'll do more to design work.
I'll do a lot more corporate hospitality. I'm the chairman

(12:04):
of the board of the Australian PGA Tour and I
travel a lot for that. It's kind of like my
charity might give back my passion. So I'll still be busy,
and I will be because of that role with the
Australian PGA Tour. I will be at the Masters next
year and look forward to being able to catch up
with you all and but not have to worry about

(12:26):
the thirty hours of television or the late night shows.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Now I'm excited about that for next year. We are
We're talking with Ian Baker Finch here on the Augusta
Golf Show. You know, Ian, I have always thought, watching
and listening to you, that you had the most positive
outlook on things. When there was good play, you celebrated it.
When there was less than good play, you encouraged the player.

(12:53):
Is that a fair assessment.

Speaker 14 (12:55):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
I've often been maybe called out on social media by
certain people in that medium that I wasn't aggressive enough,
or I was too kind or too soft, I didn't
know what I was talking about, or whatever they might
think of that was nasty or not appropriate. But to me,

(13:19):
you saw it was a bad shot. He knows it
was a bad shot. His caddie's disappointed for him. Why
do I need to pile on. Why not try and
give the viewer a reason for that shot? Why not
explain that that lie is horrible and if he gets
this within fifteen feet, he's hit a great shot. You
know those sorts of things. I played the game. I

(13:39):
played the game at a level for a decade or so,
thinking I could win every week, and my goal was
to win multiple major championships. I was a good player.
Wasn't a great player. Wasn't a Scotti Scheffler or anyone
like that, or a Xander Schoffley or Rory McElroy. But
I was a top twenty five player. And I also
had two years where I couldn't make a cut. So

(14:01):
I've seen it from both sides, and that's how I
always tried to portray to the viewers, to the audience,
we're making a show out of what we saw. I'm
what you know, the game I'm watching TV, and all
I am seeing is exactly what the viewer is seeing
at home, usually on a very small monitor about the
size of a cushion. And I am just trying to

(14:25):
give you something more than you're seeing, give you a
reason why. I think that's the best I.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Can do with that in mind. And this is inside Baseball.
And I apologize, but a lot of people knew him
and loved him in this town. Have you got a
Frank Drickinnian story for me?

Speaker 6 (14:43):
Frank was beloved. He was the guy for so many years,
and he really his influence on what we show now
is still paramount. At CBS Sports. He was the first
man to produce and direct at Augusta National back in
the day. I believe it was nineteen fifty six or seven.

(15:04):
I was sorry for not knowing exactly, but a long
time ago. Augusta National and the Masters was the first
and the longest continuing broadcast on TV. He was the
guy that taught all of the people at CBS Sports
that are there now currently how to do the job,
and he would he was very tough. I never worked

(15:25):
for him. I was one of the guys when I
played that Frank Chi Kennian and CBS Sports loved I
was one of the guys. I was invited to dinner
with the crew, and I was very fortunate, like a
Greg Norman, he was loved there as well. So when
I started to work for them, all of the stories
that would come through from the days, especially at the Masters,

(15:46):
and how he was the ayatoller they would call him
because he led with an iron fist, but he also
loved the people around him and they loved him. And
he had Lance Barrow, who was my us for fifteen years.
Sell As Shy has been my producer the last four
or five. He taught Lance who was a young man

(16:08):
when he first came in at CBS back in the
in the very late seventies. I believe nineteen eighty maybe
he started working at CBS, but anyway, he's he is
the voice in everyone's head. He and Chuck will. Lance
Barrow has passed on to all the ads and DA's
and all of the people that work for us now

(16:31):
how the job is done. He would he would call.
I remember, Costas and mccad had so many stories about him,
how he would call them in and tear them a
new one if they said anything stupid on air, and
he was gruff. He was tough, but at the same
time it was tough love.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
You know, you mentioned sticking with the game in some shape,
form or fashion. In many ways, nobody really ever gets
to completely leave this game. You've you've played it at
this level, you've called it. What is it about golf?

Speaker 6 (17:02):
Why?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
What is it about this game that just captures us?

Speaker 6 (17:07):
I think it is the process that we go through
to be as good as we can. It's the enjoyment
of the outdoor activity and the camaraderie of the people
you're playing with. It is the never ending journey of

(17:31):
trying to improve and self awareness. It's a game of life.
Sorry about the cliche there. Everyone says that it's just
something that's in my blood. For whatever reason. I grew
up in very simple fashion, helped my dad and the

(17:52):
farmers in our little township growing up to build a
little golf course with some land that was donated from
the forestry department. So my first step into golf was
sitting on the back of a tractor or a bulldozer
building a little country golf course. Then I learned to
swing dad's clubs and to eventually play and got good
at it, And all I ever wanted to be when

(18:13):
I was going to school and daydreaming about golf was
to be a golf pro. So I still am. I
still I'll be playing golf the next three days before
I leave to the next tournament. I don't grind it
out as much on the course anymore else sage sixty
eight on a good day and seventy eight on a bad, perhaps,
But I just love going out there, and I really

(18:36):
enjoyed the walk, even in the hot summer sun down
here in Florida, and the time spent with your buddies
that three hours were playing three hours down here in
the summer. It's so hot, But three or four hours
with your friends on a great golf course. What could
be better?

Speaker 8 (18:52):
You know?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Nick Price said to me once his favorite thing about golf.
Now there was an extra ball in his pocket, and
there wasn't a scorecard in his.

Speaker 6 (18:59):
Back pocke, Yeah, there's no scorecard. In mind. I know
what I shoot. I know whether I'm two or three
under coming up the last or a couple over and
want to shoot seventy three instead of seventy four. I
know where I'm at. But you're right, it's not a
grind anymore. And to be honest, when you're playing with
your buddies and you're zipping around in three hours, most

(19:19):
times they're knocking back the two footas to you when
you lag it up, you're not like you're holding out
every time and playing for real. So it's fun.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
He is Ian Baker Finch and stepping aside from his
CBS duties after the window. I know you're crazy busy. Ian.
Thank you for doing this. I deeply appreciate it and
now I'm excited. Now. I hope we run into each
other next April. Thank you, sir.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
Definitely, let's jump on the call again while I'm up there.
Love to be with you.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Thank you, and there you go. You know what, It's
hard to find someone that loves the game more than
Ian Baker Finch. He's still he still loves playing the game.
Wish him all the best on his new journey. While
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Speaker 2 (24:46):
Welcome back to the Augusta goolf Show. I'm John Patrick.
My friend Tom Coin is the author of five books,
including a course called Ireland. He is the editor of
the Golfers Journal. He also last year purchased a golf
course in the Catskills of New York State. Matter of fact,
Tom also dips his toes in a golf course architecture.

(25:11):
I will ask him what was he thinking. He's a
man of many gifts. It's a pleasure to welcome my
friend Tom Coin back to the Augusta Golf Show.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
How are you, Tom, John, I'm so well. Thank you
so much for having me back on and for that
very very generous introduction. Hey, I don't do any of
those things well, but I just I just try to
do as many as I can.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Let's try and do this chronologically, and that means I
think I'm starting with the golf course Sullivan County in
Sullivan County, New York. You are the proud owner of
this gem in Liberty, New York. Tell me a little
bit of the story behind this. How this happened?

Speaker 5 (25:50):
I asked myself out every morning when I get up, John,
how did this happen? How did I how do I
own a little nine to old golf course? As you said,
it is a gem up in New York. And it
wasn't an ambition of mine to own a golf course.
I guess every golfer in somewhere deep in your dreams
is has thought about what if I just had my
own place and make it the way I wanted? And

(26:12):
it's just, you know, my place to play golf. And
so maybe I dreamt of it at some point, But
at any event, a wonderful superintendent, Sean Smith reached out
to me via social media and said, there's this nine
hole Golden Age golf course that's ninety eight years old
at the time, and it's going to close this year.
And he was trying This was over the Winner of

(26:35):
twenty twenty three, and he was trying to find folks
who might be interested in developing it or refurbishing it,
or buying it and keeping it a golf course. And
I'm not in the place financially to be buying golf courses,
but I wasn't a place to write about it. And
the owners of the course, great guys, were interested in

(26:57):
They wanted to keep it a golf course too. They
just couldn't lose myne anymore and offered it to me
for a season, to call it like a kick the
tires year, where I became the operator, you know, paid
the payroll and the taxes and the insurance, and became
a business operator, which I'd never been. I'd always worked
for myself, and suddenly I had staff and payroll and

(27:20):
all that stuff. And yeah, so I moved up to
the Catskills, about three hours from from Philadelphia to wonderful Liberty,
New York, and learned to mow fairways and cut cups
and get a logo and order merch and sell national
memberships and really sort of use what you know by

(27:42):
hooker by crook try and get people up to see
our golf course or by a you know, a non
resident national membership, which your listeners would all love. When
I'm sure for the low price of four hundred and
fifty dollars, you can be a member of Sullivan County
Golf Club. And that's people ask me, Oh, that's not
a bad monthly rate, and no, that's the whole that's
the whole year and your initiation. So it's a really

(28:05):
special place. So I ran it that year, you know,
got to know the guys who worked there and the
people who play there, and just became really clear that
you know, the place mattered, It mattered a lot, and
you know, this is a hard hit area in New York.
This would have been what they called the Borsche Belt
if you've seen dirty Dancing. This would have been the

(28:27):
heart of the huge Jewish mega resorts back in the day.
That would have brought hundreds of thousands of people into
Solomon County over the court in the fifties and sixties
and seventies, well in the eighties and nineties they all
close and Liberty's left having lost its its main you know,

(28:48):
economic driver. So so to lose the golf course, you
know that had been there since nineteen twenty five, it
just felt like, you know, I didn't want to let
that happen on my watch, and was able to put
together a group of great friends of golf and people

(29:08):
I'd met through golf, you know, to purchase it. So
so that's what we did, and we redesigned. And then
so last summer we redesigned it. We redid the clubhouse,
reopened the restaurant, added a driving range and a putting course,
and got new carts and and you know, created somewhere
that it's not just sort of a novelty to check out,

(29:29):
like I'll look at this interesting place that's kind of
hanging on by a thread, but create something that you
want to keep coming back to. And now this season
is the year for that, to get the golfers up
there and enjoy what we have.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
We're talking with Tom Coin here on the Augusta Golf Show.
How much time is this taking up? How much of
your time are you devoting to this.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
In the season. You know, we ended up buying a
house up there, my wife, Allison, she fell in love
with the area, and uh, now that's our summer. We
have a summer home there and so when I'm not
traveling to do a fair amount of but when I'm not,
we're we're living up there in the summer and and
I'm at the golf course as much as absolutely possible.

(30:15):
You know, in that first year, I was pretty much
there every day. A little less now that we're kind
of up to speed and have a pretty good system.
But yeah, it's it's a it's a it's a solid,
a solow time commitment for sure.

Speaker 9 (30:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
One of the things I've learned that rock solid business
people always have an exit strategy. And I'm not asking
for an exit strategy, but do you have a goal?
Is there a long term goal with Sullivan County with
the course.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
I wouldn't consider myself rock rock solid business person, but.

Speaker 6 (30:50):
It would be.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
Anyone that buys a golf course probably shouldn't put themselves
in that category unless it's unless it's something of a
completely different scale. This is very much an endeavor about
giving back to golf. You know, all the partners involved
in this, you know, love golf and want to do

(31:13):
something positive in the game and something positive for the
people in Liberty, you know. So I mean, hey, we're
not running a charity. We're trying to make money. We
have the opportunity there. We have one hundred extra acres
that are sort of on the side of the mountain
that we couldn't really we're not going to turn into
more golf, but that we could use for homes and
we could really make it a place to visit. So
there are ways to actually, you know, make this a

(31:36):
positive venture for you know, for everybody involved. But no,
I the exit strategy is that the land is sold,
and that's and that's an exit strategy that you know,
we don't want to get to. So but like I said,
I mean it's really not you know, I did have
people looking at it as at different points who we're

(31:59):
sort of you know, looking at the spreadsheets and the
numbers and cranking things and trying to and we're looking
at it from more of a sort of a purely
investment point of view, kind of like you know, it's
like investing in movies like if if you if you
want to make money with certain percentage, or you should
go into you know, markets and right and and bonds

(32:19):
and equities and other things. Golf courses, it's it's a
different thing and you have to be in it for
the for the love of it. And and what's great
is we have we have cool owners and not to
name drop, but one of them is Bill Murray, who's
who's done a lot in golf over his life and
has been a great partner. And uh, and it's just happy,

(32:42):
you know, like excited about trying to do something positive
and golf. So so that's what we're there for, trying
to do some some good and and and and make
a little scratch.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Maybe well shortly after that and you'd been writing for
Golfer's Journal, but shortly after that you were named editor
of Golfers Journal. Now, for someone listening this morning who
might not know what Golfer's Journal is, how do you
explain it?

Speaker 5 (33:08):
Yeah, the Golfers Journal.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
So we're we're a golf quarterly.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
You might call us a golf magazine, but really they're
not really magazines. They're more like four books that you
get every year, and they're quite different than anything in
the you know, in the magazine space. In golf, we
don't have there's hardly any advertising. We don't do swing tips,
we don't we you know, we do a little pro golf.

(33:35):
But you know, what you're basically getting is a coffee
table book. It's sort of that design quality which with
what I think is the best photography in golf and
the best storytelling in golf. And that's really our focus
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(33:56):
you a chance to reflect and think about your connection
love of the game. And it's been a really wonderful experience.
You know, it's we're going into our thirties. Our thirty
first issue is just came out, and so what's that
we're up to eight years now and the response in
the community is that's grown up around it has been awesome.

(34:19):
Our logo is a Broken Tea, so we call ourselves
the Broken Tea Society. If you if you get the
Golfer's Journal, you're a member of the Broken Tea Society.
And and that's grown into us doing forty events at
the best golf courses around the world, from Ireland to Scotland,
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(34:40):
you know.

Speaker 10 (34:40):
Just.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
Two great, great places that our members you know, get
together and visit together. So it's it's become much more
than the magazine itself. It's it's now it's social and
digital and digital features and videos and a podcast that
I host and now with the events, it's become quite

(35:05):
a thing and it's just been exciting to see, you know,
so many different golfers come together. And really, you know,
our market is people who are just crazy about golf,
you know, and want something that's very golf centric and
don't really aren't too concerned about saying, you know, what's
going on with live or one a thousand swing tips.

(35:26):
They want to read stories that make them remember why
they love this game and makes them want to play.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
He is Tom Coin, Sullivan County Golf Club, Golfers Journal, Architecture.
Here's Tommy. Thank you for taking the time to do this.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
Can't wait to see you, my friend.

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Speaker 2 (40:48):
Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
Matt Barksdale is the VP of golf at the Pinehurst Resort,
one of my favorite spots in the world. You know,
for my money, there is no better time than fall
to experience Pinehurst. It's a pleasure to welcome Matt Barksdale
back to the Augusta Golf Show.

Speaker 13 (41:08):
How are you, Matt, Hey, John, I'm doing great. Thanks
for having me on. It's always a pleasure to chat
with you.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Thanks for coming back on the show. It has been
way too long since I have been there, so I
need you to catch me up on some things. Let's
let's start out at course number eight. You've got some
cabins at number eight, now.

Speaker 13 (41:30):
Right, yes, we sure do. Back in twenty twenty two,
we redid the golf course, kind of gave it a facelift,
updated the greens, did some phrase mowing, updated some drainage,
and we've just continued that evolution out there. And now
we have nine cottages, five four bedroom, four eight bedroom

(41:51):
cottages out there, and that's our first on course accommodations,
beautifully laid out, very well appointed. All have one suite
for each one of the bedrooms. The four bedroom is
about forty five hundred square feet, the eight bedroom is
about sixty five hundred square feet. And then we have

(42:13):
one cottage that we call the Centennial Cottage, and that's
an eight bedroom, but it has a simulator, a billiard's room,
a theater room, sixteen thousand square feet. John, it's unbelievable.
The architect does such a great job with creating a
beautiful esthetic, making them seem a little bit smaller from

(42:34):
the outside than they actually are on the inside.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Wow. Now, for those who may not have ever been
or are planning on going even though the cottages are
at number eight, you can stay there and play anywhere.

Speaker 13 (42:50):
You can, and so it's a great way for your
eight some your sixteen soon to be able to be
all in one common together. So that's your lodgings for
the week. Your home base is number eight. You're still
playing two, four to ten the Cradle, And I think
what's even so much fun about it is at the

(43:12):
end of the day, after you've had round of golf,
your afternoon round on the Cradle, you have an hour
to kill before dinner. You and your group, whether it's
eight players, twelve players, sixteen players, you can all go
play an emergency four or five six holes over at
number eight where you're staying, and then go right up
to dinner at the clubhouse.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Nice. Nice. By the way, there is a new restaurant
at number eight.

Speaker 13 (43:37):
Also right there is so we've rebranded the restaurant that
was currently there and updated it to Plate. It's a
little catchy. It's tl the number eight te so plate
with the playoff words with the number eight, and it's
a Southern cuisine. We're serving both one and dinner out

(44:01):
there now and the chef has done just a wonderful job,
creating a new, fun, different taste that we don't have anywhere.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Else on the resort.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Would you believe me if I told you that was
my password for open table?

Speaker 13 (44:16):
I would not. Okay, now we all know how to book.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
All right, All right, let's let's move over to number ten.
Number ten now has a clubhouse. Tell me about the clubhouse,
Tell me about how we're moving along with future plans
for number ten.

Speaker 13 (44:35):
Yes, number ten has been just a home run for us,
and we couldn't be more proud of the work that
Tom Doak did and the team is done out there.
With the golf course opening back up in April of
twenty twenty four, we've just unveiled the golf shop, which
opened in June. It's a beautiful, rustic looking building, open

(44:57):
air beams, just really really well appointed, great color scheme.
Rustic just fits very well into that whole setting out there.
So the golf shops open fully stocked with a full
ray of merchandise, locker room facilities, and soon we're going
to be opening up our restaurant out there. We're going

(45:19):
to open the restaurant at the beginning of September. So
now you're going to really have a full course of
amenities out at that facility.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
And there and there are plans for lodging out there too, right.

Speaker 13 (45:33):
There are and that will be in future developments and
I would anticipate John the lodging to come online and
probably the fall of twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Okay, we are talking with Matt Barksdale here on the
Augusta Golf Show talking all things Pinehurst's How's how's ten
doing ten? Busy? Keeping busy?

Speaker 13 (45:58):
Jen is keeping busy. It's the biggest sentiment that we're hearing,
and it's so encouraging is that number ten is one
of their new favorite courses to play. So we're hearing
that from our guests and it's it's just so encouraging
to know that we've done something right out there and

(46:18):
it's continuing to grow, continuing to get better as it
continues to mature. And it's a walking golf course, so
you're really feeling the golf course through your feet and
being able to see the sounds, the sites and really
take the golf course in while you're out there on
that experience.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
It's a big boy golf course too.

Speaker 13 (46:39):
It is. It's I would say going from holes one
through six. One through seven, it's a nice walk in
the park. But once you get out to eight where
you start to really see some of the old sand
mining operations. Then you get to nine through fourteen. Nine
through fourteen is called the gauntlet. So one through seven

(47:00):
relatively the nine walk. Nine through fourteen it starts to
get a little bit up and down, but then you
coast right in from fifteen to eighteen and finish off
with a nice smooth walk.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
There you go. Let's look a little bit in the future.
I know this is in the future, and that's Pinehurst
Number eleven, Bill Korr Ben Crenshaw coming back after their
restoration of number two. Where are we on number eleven?
Is there any sort of timeline?

Speaker 13 (47:29):
Yeah, so we couldn't be more excited to have Bill
Kor and Ben crenschall do number eleven for us. Out
at San Mines. We have a little over nine hundred
acres of course ten sits so on let's just call
it for a round number stake roughly three hundred acres
on the west side of the property, and then number

(47:51):
eleven is going to sit on probably about three hundred
acres on the east side of the property.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Will it have its own amenities.

Speaker 13 (48:00):
Ye, So the golf shop and the restaurant will be
tailored for both golf courses.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Okay.

Speaker 13 (48:07):
We will have a building that has the ability to
dub as a halfway house and a check in area
to be able to get refreshments and be able to
start your journey off on number eleven at the start
of that particular golf course.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Okay, I need you to go to work for the
Chamber of Commerce for just a second. Talk a little
bit about why fall is such a great time in
the sand Hills.

Speaker 13 (48:34):
There's a multitude of different factors there, John, And if
you're really ten pointing one of the best times to
visit Pinehurst, it would be September October November. Our Bermuda
grass loves the heat, it loves the summer months, and
so the grass is thriving. The courses are in just

(48:55):
phenomenal shape. Everything's lush green, so being able to come
in the fall when the weather starts to cool down,
the temperatures are just right outside for golfing, and the
courses are in spectacular condition. I can't think of a
better recipe.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
A couple of questions Matt that are probably unfair. It's
going to require math and you may not know, and
you might not know the answer to this. I'm just
kind of curious. Do you have any idea the percentage
of people, and I mean this in a positive way,
the percentage of people that come to Pinehurst and don't
play number two.

Speaker 13 (49:33):
I would say the individuals that are coming on golf
packages that do not play number two is probably twenty
to twenty five percent.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Okay, all right?

Speaker 13 (49:42):
And the beautiful thing about that, John, is there's so
many other great golf courses to play at the resort
than just number two. You can end up playing four, eight, ten, six, seven, nine,
or have fun with some of the classic courses with one,
three and five. You have so many other options besides

(50:02):
just playing number two. And sometimes number two is a
little much for individuals that are looking for more of
a fun, casual round. While number two is it's relatively intense,
its draining, but it is a wonderful golf course and
one of the fairest testa championship golf ever designed.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
All right, you did such a good job with that answer.
Here's another one. You got any idea how many people
come to the resort and don't play golf at all.

Speaker 13 (50:33):
You know, I wish I could be able to give
you a number on that. I would probably.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Say it's a small it's a small number, yeah.

Speaker 13 (50:39):
Ten to fifteen percent. You have some significant others that
might not necessarily dabble in golf, but they're coming to
enjoy the spot or coming in to enjoy the village,
and then they'll maybe get out and do this, will
do our aching hole, putting course, or go out for
a stroll in the cradle which is our short course
nine hole part three.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I mean, the purpose for me asking that question is
to sort of spotlight that there are a lot of
things for everybody to do at the resort.

Speaker 13 (51:10):
Indeed there is, and throughout the community as well. You
have a lot of opportunity to take in what Pinehurst
itself has. Not only the resort, but you have the
village which is a quaint looking like a small New
England style village, and you have plenty of shopping. You

(51:30):
have a questry and like I mentioned a moment ago
the spa. Who doesn't enjoy spinning at afternoon or a
morning at the spa.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
He is Matt Barksdale. He is the vice president of
golf at the Pinehurst Resort, where there are a lot
of things to do. As I said, one of my
favorite spots on Earth. We need to get back up there, Matt.
Thanks for catching me up, Thanks for doing this, and
we will talk again soon.

Speaker 13 (51:55):
That sounds great, John, look forward to having you backed up.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
I can't wait. There you go, that's Matt park Steel.
You want to start the process, go to the website
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It's like three hours and forty five minutes door to
door from here. There's no reason you shouldn't be going
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including its newest Tom Doaks, rugged and breathtaking design of
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