The Augusta Golf Show with John Patrick/Stewart Hagestad & Ron Sirak

On this weekend's show, 
Stewart Hagestad on his illustrious amateur career, and his play last week at the Walker Cup.

Ron Sirak on Nancy Lopez and her induction into the PGA Of America's Hall of Fame and remembering Arnold Palmer on the 96th anniversary of his birth

Plus, Nancy Lopez tells us Why She Still Loves The Game

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Augusta Golf Show with John Patrick here
on News Talk WGAC.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
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to the Augusta Golf Show.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
I think that's how I won. There was my team,
my caddie. There's such a big part of it also,
and you know that relationship is especially at oak Month
because you need to know where to miss it. And
I think that's the biggest thing. I've never really played
a golf course where I thought, Okay, I'm in trouble.
How do we eliminate double bogie, you know, because it
can happen like that, especially at Oakland and in the

(00:32):
US Open I've been. I can can hold that to,
you know, to the heartbread that one because it's fit
me in the booty.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Before we're talking with Nick Watney here on the Augusta.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Golf Show, pools that golf can wear you down sometimes,
and I would like to be grateful more often just
for the opportunity and the blessing need is to play
play a game for a living, see some amazing places.
And I think sometimes the eighth week out of ten
or something like that, I can get a bit but
on days like days of reflection and all that stuff,

(01:03):
it's I would like to slow down a little bit
and be appreciative.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
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I'm John Patrick. Thank you for tuning in this morning.
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dot com. Slash listen okay, tell you about the show
this morning. Hope you caught some of the Walker Cup
last weekend. I know it's tough to make time for
golf with football everywhere, but the Walker Cup coverage allowed
all of us a chance to see one of the
great venues in the game, Cyprus Point, which by the way,

(02:55):
just looked incredible. It was also a pretty good competition.
In the end, the USA beat the GB and I
team seventeen to nine, with a thirty four year old
stockbroker Stuart Hagistad making the putt to secure the Cup
for his twenty something teammates. It was Stuart's fifth Walker

(03:16):
Cup team and his fifth Walker Cup victory. Now, Stuart's
currently preparing this week for the mid Amateur, a championship
that he's won three times, but he has carved out
some time for us this morning to talk about those
experiences from last week, so Stuart Hagistad will join us
in just a couple of minutes. Then, a couple of

(03:36):
notable things took place this week in the game. First,
the PGA of America announced its twenty twenty five Hall
of Fame class, a class that includes our friend Nancy Lopez.
So that's one thing. Earlier this week, we recognized what
would have been the ninety sixth birthday of Arnold Palmer.
I wanted to make sure that both of these events

(03:58):
had some documentations, so I'm turning to Ron syrac to
take care of that. We'll talk to Ron about both
of those legends a little bit later on this morning.
As always, I will let you know where to find
the golf on TV this weekend. There's a fair amount
of it. In addition, if there's time this morning and
are why I Love the game segment, the aforementioned World

(04:19):
Golf Hall of Fame member Nancy Lopez will tell us
why she still loves the game of golf. Okay, coming up,
Ron Syraka on Nancy Lopez and the King. But first,
but first, one of the best amateurs in the world.
Stuart Hagstad on his play at last week's Walker Cup.
Stay right there. Thank you for being here this morning.

(04:43):
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Speaker 2 (08:23):
Good morning, and welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show.
I'm John Patrick. Stuart Hagistad is coming off his fifth
Walker Cup experience, all winning experiences, by the way, Stuart
made the putt that retained the cup last Sunday at
Cypress Point. He's also a three time mid Amateur champion,

(08:44):
currently preparing for this year's Midam Championship. It's a pleasure
to welcome Stuart Hagastad back to the Augusta Golf Show.
How are you, Stuart, Well.

Speaker 7 (08:55):
Thank you for having me. I'm great, I'm a little tired,
I'm a little overwhelmed in support from friends and family,
but we're doing all right. So thank you for having
them well.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Thank thank you for saying, yes, what do you get
out of the Walker Cup experience in twenty twenty five
that's different than twenty seventeen.

Speaker 7 (09:18):
You know, it's a totally honest and fair question, and
I don't think it's one that I have or a
good answer for yet. I think, and I've used this
line a couple of times, but I think when I
have kind of a minute to decompress, kind of come
back down, I'll be able to see the forest from
the trees, you know a little better. But every team

(09:39):
is wonderful, you know, they all have kind of different
personalities and different kind of feelings about them. I think
as it applies specifically to this one, the one thing
sticks out is that Cyper's point was the real star
of the show. It's the first golf course that I've
ever had the chance to play where I kind of
got on property and I was like, wait, this this
feels different. You know. It's it's been well documented that

(10:03):
it's kind of one of the cathedrals of the game,
and it's certainly kind of iconic and the sport that
we all really love. But to have played for our country,
to play, you know, for amateur golf in the United
States on such kind of an amazing historical really again,
like it's been called, you know, the sustained chapel of

(10:24):
the game, like that's that's pretty compelling stuff. So I
just feel honored to kind of be a part of it.
And it's a it's a thrill, it's very cool.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Did you get a sense that your teammates appreciated the venue?

Speaker 7 (10:39):
You know, they're young, so I think it would be
unfair for me to put words in their mouths, and
because I just don't know how they felt. And I
think it's something that is going to age really really
well for them, the Walker Cup and the Palmer Cup.
I think for a lot of them, you know, they're
so young, and I won't really find into the whole

(11:00):
you know, perspective narrative, but you know, for their parents,
Like I'll give you a really good example, right. So
early in the week, I played with Luke Poulter in
a fun little team event thing that we had with
Mason Hall and I forget oh it was Stuart Green, right,
who's the mid am on their team, and Ian Poulter
and his wife and their other son and Ian's dad

(11:20):
were kind of following us at the hey. And Ian,
who was super sweet and obviously someone I've kind of
you know, looked up to and in respect that he
you know, has been a pro and obviously a Ryder
Cup stalwart for so long. He made the comment a
couple of times of just how blown away he was
of the whole event and just kind of the feel
and the vibe and the character of it. And he

(11:42):
made a point to kind of say, like, not in
a million years that I have ever thought that, you know,
my souna be playing on are on a Walker Cup team.
So I think, like again, to kind of tie it
back to your question, I think it's one of those
things that at twenty two is maybe a difficult thing
to like totally put into words, but as they get older,
they will look back and it will resonate more and more.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Speaking of getting older, what are the satisfactions you get
out of your accomplishments these days?

Speaker 7 (12:13):
I'm really lucky that I know exactly what I love
to do outside of work in my personal life, and
that's what I love to compete. And it's not just
that I love to compete, like I love the process
of preparing to compete, Like hitting golf balls and practicing
to me has kind of always been therapeutic. And even
when I want nothing to do with golf, you know,

(12:35):
I'll go and put the clubs away. Inevitably, it always
just kind of like comes back, and there's a niche
to be like, all right, let's go chip for an hour,
maybe put in a podcast, right, or let's go putt
an hour. You know, kind of the sensation of hitting
different shots, it's really really infectious to me. So I
think when I think about golf and specifically, you know,

(12:56):
kind of my relationship with it, I know that I
love to compete, and I'm very fortunate for kind of
enjoying kind of the process of what that looks like.
But at the same time, given that I don't do
it for a living, I think that's ironically part of
the reason that I love it as much as I
do is simply that, like, it's not something that I
depend on, If that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Absolutely. We're talking with Stuart hags Dad here on the
Augusta Golf Show. So the listener is going to want
me to ask you this question. I know the answer
to this question, but the listener is gonna want me
to answer this question. Ask this question, did you ever
give thought to turning professional? And if so, why didn't you?

Speaker 7 (13:40):
Yeah, I've answered this question a pretty good bit, and
I'm happy to do it again. I'm sure I'll. It's
become a relatively formulaic answer for me, So that's okay, help,
I'm happy to give it one more time right ahead.
The short answer. The short answer is, you know, when
I was twenty two to twenty three coming out of college,
I wasn't good enough. And I think back to the

(14:01):
first time that I played them, or was lucky enough to,
you know, compete in the Masters in twenty seventeen. But
like going into the tournament, you know, there was a
bunch of people that were just like, Oh, just have
the best time. What an amazing experience. How cool is that?

Speaker 9 (14:13):
How special?

Speaker 7 (14:14):
Wouldn't it be cool if you if you made the cut?

Speaker 9 (14:17):
Right?

Speaker 7 (14:17):
And then a week later, you know, I play well,
I finished T thirty six, and the next question is
when are you going to turn pro? And it's like, well,
hold on, take what happened between right now and a
week ago. So I think it's something that I've become
far more comfortable with as I've gotten older. I think
a lot of the people that I look up to
and aspire to be like in my life have changed,

(14:39):
not for better or worse, just they're different, right, Like
you as you get older, different things, you know, kind
of rise in your priority list, and you know, I
just I think about, you know, what the next phase
might look like as far as like, you know, being
a great husband, being a great dad, being a leader
in the community in terms of, you know, your professional
life kind of rising throughout the corporate ladder, continuing to

(14:59):
get more and or responsibility, and you know, obviously continue
to kind of you know, be successful and call it
other avenues. But I love that, you know, the guys
that did turn pro that I've been fortunate enough to
kind of play with, you know, either during college, in
my junior golf career, kind of throughout you know, miamateur

(15:20):
golf life. I have a much better pulse than maybe,
you know, kind of the average fan that that tunes
in occasionally to the PGA Tour or however you watch
golf in any tour. You know now that that's the thing.
But I have a really good pulse on just how
good they are. And I just don't think I need

(15:42):
to play twenty five or more weeks a year to
be able to scratch that ditch.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Speaking of high school, what do you think of Mason.

Speaker 7 (15:49):
Howell stud total stud when he was when he won
the US Am. You know, we obviously knew who he
was kind of coming from the US Open when he
shot I think it was one twenty six sixty three
sixty three to high for a metalist and win by seven.
So that's that's awfully impressive. But then he goes and

(16:10):
he you know, plays the USA m and kind of
just goes through a murderer's row of people to not
just get to the finals, but once he's there, he
plays great in the finals, given everything you know that
that kind of exists at the end of that week,
you know, and the carret that exists. So it's one
thing to kind of see his game and then to

(16:30):
see it in person, and then who he is, you know,
as a as a you know, kind of maturing adult.
I think he just turned eighteen a couple of months ago.
He was wonderful, works hard, super into it, priorities in
the right place, had the chance to spend a little
bit of time with his parents, who are really lovely
to me. Seems like he's got a great head on
his shoulders and kind of a great support staff around him.

(16:53):
I can't say enough good things. That was super impressed.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Let me, let me let you go with this. You're
in a unique position. You are old enough, experienced enough
to have developed a deep appreciation for the game and
its traditions, and then you play often with players that
are just kind of beginning that journey. What does it
tell you about the game and its meaning?

Speaker 9 (17:18):
I think so.

Speaker 7 (17:19):
Many of us are scruly lucky to kind of have
golf as this collective kind of thing that we all
have in common, right, And there's so many different directions
you can go with that, you know, whether it's the
venues and you know, kind of like Asyper's point, you know,
those those iconic cathedrals of the game, whether you get
to play it or just even read about it, like
it's it's a little bit you know, I don't know

(17:40):
if you've ever been been surfing, but you know, it's
a little bit like surfing where it's not just the
act of the sport, but it's also you know, the
community that grounds it. You know, it's the one place
that's kind of a living, breathing venue. And the same
can be said for golf and their respective golf courses,
like they're constantly changing. You know, there's always these kind

(18:00):
of nebulous, never ending conversations of you know, which courses
are each other's favorites, or maybe it's the architecture side,
and then there's you know, the equipment side of things,
or you know, the competitive side. There's just so many
different directions that you can go, and it's just it's
totally this really incredible, never ending kind of community in

(18:21):
the world that we're lucky enough to be a part of.
And I just I think back on a lot of
the people that I've kind of created relationships with over
the years, and there's almost always some type of a
tie back to golf, you know, whether it's a mutual
shared love or you know that we had a similar
experience somewhere, or maybe just simply that you know, we

(18:46):
both hit a shot on one whole one time ten
years ago, right Like, it's just this amazing small community
and world. And yeah, I just I'm sure you agree,
but I'm really lucky to kind of be totally indoctrinated
into that.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I could not agree more. I know it's mid am week.
You have carved out some time for me. I deeply,
deeply appreciate that. Stuart Hagastad Stuart, thanks for this good
luck this week and thank you for doing it. Thank
you for doing.

Speaker 7 (19:16):
This, of course, thank you for having me here.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
You go. That's Stuart Hagastad during the week, a stockbroker,
at other times one of the best amateur golfers in
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So one of the great mysteries when it comes to
the Ryder Cup and Ryder Cup captains is how Larry
Nelson was never named a captain. He's got the perfect
Ryder Cup resume. Ten PGA Tour wins, two championship wins,
Nelson was nine three and one in Ryder Cup matches

(20:05):
in his career, and he also served in the military.
It's a perfect resume, yet chosen over when it came
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a couple of legends, Nancy Lopez and Arnold Palmer. Don't
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Speaker 2 (24:39):
Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
My friend ron Cyrak has covered the game for The
Associated Press, Golf Digest, and Golf World. He's the twenty
fifteen recipient of the PGA of America's Lifetime Achievement in
Journalism Award. Ron's a past president of the Golf Writers
Association of America and he's a contributor to Golf Channel.

(25:03):
It's always a pleasure to welcome Ron Syrac back to
the Augusta Golf Show.

Speaker 9 (25:07):
How are you, Ron, I'm doing great, John, and thanks
for having me on. Always a pleasure to be with you.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
I wanted to do this. Well, wait a minute, you
told me this the last time, and I'd forgotten, and
I should write it down. How many major championships for you?

Speaker 9 (25:21):
I'm at one ninety six nine six.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Okay, this is not fair, but I don't care. Give
me the men's major championship that you will always remember
and the women's major championship that you will always remember.

Speaker 9 (25:39):
Well, I think for the men's I'm going to always
remember what Tiger Woods did in the two thousand US
Open at the Pebble Beach, winning by fifteen strokes and
was just just phenomenal. I mean, I've never saw seventy
two holes of golf played as well as he played
it that day. He played played an entire I mean,

(26:01):
he just dominated the field. He went twelve under part
and the next best score was three over part. And
for the women, I probably have to sit two thousand
and seven Women's British Open at the Old Course at St. Andrews.
It was the first time that a women's professional event
was played at St Andrews. It was the first time

(26:21):
women were allowed into the men's only clubhouse there. And
you know, when you have that kind of opportunity to
showcase your tour, you want your best players to come through.
And Loreno Choa won that tournament and she at that
time was the number one player in women's golf. So
those are probably two that stand out really vividly.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
That's very fair. Speaking of major championships, I reached out
to you for a couple of reasons this week. Let's
start with our friend Nancy Lopez. Nancy is going to
be one of six inducted into the PGA of America
Hall of Fame in November. I'd like to think everybody

(27:03):
listening remembers Nancy, but for those who might not, talk
a little bit about her dominance in the game.

Speaker 9 (27:13):
You know, people have impact on the game for a
lot of different reasons, and personality is one of them,
but the key one is performance. Nancy came along after
her sophomore year at the University of Tulsa. She dropped
out of school decided she wanted to turn pro to

(27:36):
make enough money to make life easier for her parents,
Marina and Domingo Lopez. You know, they ran an auto
body shop in Roswell, New Mexico. So she turned pro
in nineteen seventy seven. Nineteen seventy eight was her first
full season on the LPGA Tour, and all she did
was win nine times, including five tournaments in a row.

(27:58):
She had the vivacious smile, you know, she had a
charming personality. She had a demonstrative way of playing golf.
All that engaged fans. But what really brought everybody in
is that is that she won and one and one
that year. She won the Very Trophy for lowest scoring average,
She was Rookie of the Year, and she was Player

(28:19):
of the Year. Sweeping all three of those awards was unprecedented,
and she was the Associated Press Female Athlete of the
Year that year. She was on the cover of Sports Illustrated.
She was to the women's game what Arnold Palmer was
in a men's game. You know, she brought new fans

(28:41):
new attention to the game. She won nine times her
rookie year and then eight times the next year. And
I think one of the most phenomenal things about Nancy
is that she has forty eight LPGA career victories and
she had three daughters at the peak of her career,
so she missed sometimes she missed parts of some of
these and in there because she was being a mom.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
You know, I don't think anybody thinks about it these days,
But you mentioned she dropped out of Tulsa after her
sophomore year. Was that sort of unheard of back then?

Speaker 9 (29:13):
Yeah, you know, because there wasn't a whole lot of
money to be made in professional golf in general. And
you know, I mean that was still a time when
you still had some of the Jay Siegel for instance,
the career amateurs, because they could make more money in
the business world than they could make in golf. Prize

(29:33):
money hadn't exploded yet. But still Nancy, coming from a
very humble background, realized that she had an opportunity to
make some money out there. You know, I think that
first year when she won all this tournament, she won
a total of like one hundred and eighty seven thousand dollars,
you know, which can you imagine what winning nine tournaments

(29:54):
today would get you. But that was why that was
a boatload of money for her family. So she was
motivated by that. She was motivated for wanting to make
an easier life for her parents. And to back up
a nine win rookie season with an eight win sophomore
season is really hard. I mean, we see so often

(30:15):
where players had their breakthrough year and they don't build
on success. Well, Nancy built on success and she won
more than one tournament all the way through till nineteen
eighty four, when at nineteen eighty five when she had
to miss some time having her first child.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
We're talking with Ron Syrach here on the Augusta Golf Show.
Let's talk about her majors. She's being inducted into the
PGA of America Hall of Fame today. There is the
KPMGPGA Championship for the ladies that used to be the
LPGA Championship. That was a major, and Nancy won it

(30:52):
three times. But that was the only major championship she won, right.

Speaker 9 (30:58):
Yeah, and she her heartbreak is the US Open, you know,
And at that time, the US Open was a major
with a head above all the other majors because being
a usj event, it was played at different venues every year,
It was played a better venues than the other majors
were played at, and it was set up to USGA

(31:19):
standards well. She finished second as an amateur, I believe
her freshman year at Tulsa. She finished second as a
pro the first year in nineteen seventy seven when she
turned pro. She finished second again in nineteen ninety seven
when Alison Nicholas won it. And so she had several

(31:42):
second place finishes in the US Open, but never had
never had that win there. And you would have thought
that that would be a tournament that would fit her
game perfectly, because her strength was was keeping the golf
ball in play and putting really well. She was a great,
great putter. That that when you look at her record

(32:02):
the US Open is is what's the most glaring omission
on her resume.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
And you and I were talking a little bit before
we started this. In a world in Nelly Cordaz and
Lydia cos and even our friend Anica, has Nancy been
forgotten a little bit?

Speaker 9 (32:20):
I don't think there's been anybody in in the women's
game who moved the needle as as much of as
Nancy Lopez since Nancy Lopez. Uh you know, I mean
I Babe Didrickson, Zaharis did it in the fifties. Uh,
Nicky Wright did it in the sixties. Uh. But Uh,

(32:44):
Nancy because of that vivacious personality being being ethnic, you know,
standing out in a in a in a world where
there weren't that many people from from her background out
there made her stand out. But the fact that she
can continued to win. I don't think that. I don't
think that Lopez. I think Lopez connected with the fans

(33:06):
in a more deeply personal way than Anicasornstam ever did.
Then then Lareeno Ochoa or Lydia Coe ever did. And uh,
she moved the needle. Probably the only person after Nancy
who who moved the needle as much was Michelle Wee
and that was for reasons that had had less to
do with performance on the golf course and more to

(33:27):
do with her ventures into playing against men on the
PGA Tour.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Before we move on, you you will have a role
in her induction, will you not.

Speaker 9 (33:39):
Yes, they are. They're making a tribute video that will
be shown at the at the induction ceremony in November.
And uh, I've done several of these for the PGA
of America before I did. I did Mickey Wright, I
did Charlie Sifford a couple of the ones. But I'm
going to write and narrate the tribute video for for Nancy.
And what's particularly gratifying is that Nancy specifically asked that

(34:04):
I'd be the person to do it, and you know,
I took that very much to heart as somebody. She's
another one of those people who's realized that I've been
a proponent of women's golf since nineteen eighty seven when
I started covering it, and I'm thrilled to be part
of that project.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
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Speaker 2 (39:36):
Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
We are continuing our conversation with Ron syrak Ron. Earlier
this week, we celebrated the ninety sixth anniversary of Arnold
Palmer's birth. We lost Arnold nine years ago. Ron, what
do you miss the most about Arnold not being around?

Speaker 15 (39:58):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (39:58):
Boy, I don't know. I've ever met an athlete to
connected with everybody the way that Arnold did. I always
thought any athlete in any sport, no matter what sport
you play, needs to study Arnold Palmer to learn how
to interact with the fans, with the media, with sponsors,
with administrators, with everybody. There was there was a natural

(40:21):
ease that Arnold had with everybody and a respect that
he had for everybody. When when I got the PGA
of America Lifetime Achievement Award and they did a tribute
video about me on there, Arnold graciously appeared in it.
And you know that's because Arnold understood the importance of

(40:43):
the media in terms of promoting the players and helping
the players get rich by the fact that it was
that media exposure that made them valuables as endorsement partners
for corporations. So Arnold's ease with interacting with everybody was
just so so natural. I would see him at bay Hill,

(41:06):
he'd be hitting balls on the range, or he'd walk
up to somebody else hitting balls in the range at
bay Hill, and he would introduce himself and he'd say, Hi,
I'm Arnold Palmer. As everybody doesn't know who he is,
but Arnold never assumed that anybody knew who he was.
He'd always introduce himself and he'd introduced himself by.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Name and with everything that you said. One of the
most beautiful parts of that man is nobody loved being
Arnold Palmer more than Arnold Palmer.

Speaker 9 (41:36):
You know when they made that tribute video for me,
that was in I got the award in twenty fifteen,
so it was about a month and the award is
done at the Masters the Wednesday of the Masters, so
in April, so we shot the video with Arnold in
early March. I went down to Orlando to bay Hill,

(41:59):
and Arnold had fallen recently and had hurt his shoulder.
And that day was the first day that I ever
heard Arnold, and I had quite a few interactions with
him over the years. The first time I ever heard
him complain about anything. He was talking about being sore.
He wasn't able to play golf at that time. He

(42:21):
moved very gingerly. And one of the thoughts that cross
my mind is Arnold loves No one loved being any
themselves more than Arnold Palmer. He loved being Arnold Palmer,
and Arnold was starting not to be Arnold Palmer, and
that thought crossed my mind. I remember leaving there thinking,

(42:43):
I don't know how many times I'm going to see
him again. Well, I saw him at the next Masters
in twenty sixteen when he couldn't hit the first ball,
but he was sitting there in a chair, and then
that fall he passed away. So you did have that
sense that Arnold was letting go of Arnold Palmer.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
You remember the first time you met him, first time I.

Speaker 9 (43:05):
Met him and never spoke to him. It was nineteen
fifty eight, he'd won the Masters, and he flew into
my hometown, Newcastle, Pennsylvania, which was seventy miles from Latrobe
to do an exhibition at Newcastle Country Club. I don't
remember what they were charging for the exhibition. It was
probably like five bucks ahead, but we couldn't afford it.
So my dad did is he took us out to

(43:27):
Newcastle Airport, which is really just a piece of cement
in the windsock. And Arnold was flying in on a
single engine Cessna and flew in from Latrobe to Newcastle
and he landed there and he got out and he
just flashed that smile, he flashed that thumbs up. He
was totally you know, he waved, he was totally engaging.

(43:47):
And never saw him hit a shot golf shot that day,
but it's the first time I saw him in person,
and it was absolutely completely thrilling.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
You know, you have answered this question in various ways
in the last two or three minutes, but I've quoted
you often about something you say about Arnold, which is
he may not be the best golfer that ever played
the game, but he was certainly the most important. Talk
a little bit about what you mean by that.

Speaker 9 (44:11):
Well, you know, when he went into the Western Pennsylvania
Golf Association Hall of Fame. I think that was in
twenty thirteen. They had just started their Hall of Fame
organization was founded in eighteen ninety nine, but they didn't
get around the creating a Hall of Fame for twenty thirteen.
He was in the inaugural class and I was asked
Tom see it, and I said, that day, you know,
you can have a if you talk about the greatest

(44:32):
player of all time. There's a half dozen people who
are in the conversation, but the most important player there's
only one guy, Arnold. And I look down and Arnold
was brushing away a tear. You know. Arnold took the
game out of the country club and brought it to
the common pit man. My dad was a steel worker
in Newcastle, Pennsylvania, and he started playing golf at age

(44:54):
thirty five. Because that year, when he was thirty five,
this local kid, this son of a golf court superintendent,
won his first professional event. Nineteen fifty five, Arnold won
the Canadian Open, his first event. By ninth, Arnold won
his first tournament. In fifty five, he won his first
major at the fifty eight Masters. By nineteen sixty, every

(45:15):
steel mill in western Pennsylvania had a nine Hole Golf League,
and that was because of Arnold Palmer. He expanded the
game enormously that way, and Arnold was the perfect marriage
with television. Television was just discovering sports as this money
making thing. And who televised better than Arnold Palmer? You
know at that time he smoked a cigarette and he

(45:36):
flicked it aside. He had movie star good looks, big
strong guy with this sort of unorthodox swing with the
qorkscrew followed through and he played dynamic, attacking golf. He
was absolutely perfect for TV. He is the single greatest
grow the game program golf's ever had the world.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
The game is in a different place these days. My
friend could could could we use more Nancy Lopez's Could
we use more Arnold Palmers?

Speaker 9 (46:06):
One of the things that's become harder and harder out
there is that as times have changed, there are more
barriers between the the athletes and the people who write
about the athletes. And I've always said, the better you
know somebody, the better you can write about somebody. It's
one of the reasons why it became such such why
I ended up loving covering the LPGA so much, because

(46:27):
because there's much less of a sense of entitlement over there.
On the PGA tour. Now more and more players travel
in private jets, they stay in private housing and not hotels,
And it's it's it's it's away from the golf course
that that you establish trust in bond with athletes. It's
at the it's at the hotel bar, it's at a

(46:48):
gate at the airport waiting for the planes, and you
run into them and you talk and you chat and
they realize that you're just a person who's passionate about
golf too, and you learn to trust each other. And
that that ability to get to know the athletes and
to earn their trust has become harder and harder because
of the walls between super super rich athletes and the

(47:11):
people covering them. So I'm not even sure if a
great personality like a Palmer or a Lopez came along
that we'd have the access to them that we had
to Arnold and to Nancy. And that was the key.
You had access to Arnold. You would run into Arnold
at a hotel bar. And he loved that. He loved
interacting with not only his colleagues, the other players. He

(47:33):
loved interacting with the media.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
You know, You mentioned Nancy winning to help out our parents.
You mentioned the super rich. Have we lost something? Ron By?
You know, when we grew up, athletes played their sport
to make a living. I don't know that that's the
case anymore. Have we lost something?

Speaker 9 (47:55):
And all of that I think we have. I'll tell
you six houses away from where I lived in Newcastle, Pennsylvania,
Chuck Channer lived. Chuck Tanner was an outfielder for the
Cleveland Indians, Milwaukee Braves, California Angels. Later became a manager,

(48:15):
won a World championship as the as the manager of
the we Are Family Pittsburgh Pirates. While he was a
left fielder for the Cleveland Indians, his off season job
was he was the photographer who took our class photos
in high school. You know, you know, that was his

(48:36):
off seat. He needed to have an off season job
because he didn't make enough money, so he worked as
a photographer. A guy who refereed my high school basketball
games was Tito Francona, who also played for Cleveland. He
was from New Brighton, Pennsylvania, and Terry Francona, his sons,
now Cincinnati Red's manager, won the World Championship with the
Red Sox. They had that they were they were professional athletes,

(48:59):
but they were ill, regular people. They weren't isolated from
people by money. And I do think something's been lost
in that. And I don't know. You know, that's truthpaste
we can't put back in the tube.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
He is Ron Syrack covers the game, has covered the
game for a ton of time. Again, I won't forget
one hundred and ninety six major championships. I hope to
see you at your one hundred ninety seventh.

Speaker 9 (49:30):
I hope so, and I hope it's I hope it's
somewhere very near you.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Ron. Thanks for taking the time to do this. I
always deeply appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (49:39):
Always a pleasure, John, talk to you down the road,
my friend.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 9 (49:42):
Ron.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
There you go, that's Ron Syrac. Don't go away, We're
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Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
It's time for our Why I Love the Game segment. Now,
this is the portion of the show where somebody tells
us why the game of golf is so important and
so meaningful in their life. This morning we talked about
it with ron Syrac This morning. She is a World
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(53:37):
inducted into the PGA of America's Hall of Fame. Nancy
Lopez tells us why she still loves the game of golf.

Speaker 16 (53:48):
I love the game of golf because, first of all,
my dad loved the game of golf, and when you
were teaching me how to play, he wanted me to
love it. It wasn't even trying to torture me, and
he was never trying to make me play the game.
He always told me I'd be the best if I
loved doing what I was doing. And he helped me
to love the game of golf by being with him

(54:10):
on the golf course. He always had a great attitude
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think now that you know, the competition was so much
fun for me. I love competing on the LPGA Tour,
love the pressure. I love succeeding. Didn't love failing as much,
But I know if I gave one hundred percent and
I didn't win, and that was okay. But I think

(54:31):
now as I get older, I love the game of
golf because it's a place where I can go out
and smell that fresh cut grass and I remember always
selling my dad and I smelt that fresh cut grass.
Dad smells like a tournament, and being out in the sunshine,
and you know, being on a golf cart. Now I
don't walk as much, enjoying what surrounds me on the

(54:54):
golf course, and I think that was always my favorite
thing about golf when I was competing with being inside
the roads and enjoying the walk, And as I've gotten
older to still enjoy what golf has to offer and beauty,
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(55:15):
get when I hear it right on the face solid
no when I make a putt, I still get all
of exciting feelings. So there's a lot of things that
I truly still love about golf.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
There you go, one of the greatest to ever to
ever tee it up, Nancy Lopez and why she still
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