The Augusta Golf Show/Bob Harig, Bob Ford & Paula Creamer

This weekend, a preview of next week's US Open with Sports Illustrated's Bob Harig.
The longtime Oakmont Head Professional, Bob Ford
&
The 2010 US Women's Open winner at Okamont, Paula Creamer

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Augusta Golf Show with John Patrick here
on News Talk WGAC.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Pleasure to welcome Johnson Wagner back to the Augusta Golf Show.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
I feel like the beauty of it is that we're
taking the viewer down on the ground at these venues
and really digging into some of the shots of the day,
and it's no I've gotten so comfortable. I've gotten so
comfortable with it and setting up a shot that the
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(00:31):
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Speaker 4 (00:37):
You know, I didn't get to see Jack Nicholas in
his prime. I guess that probably maybe Hogan or Nicholas
would be the closest thing to what we're seeing with
Scheffler's this ability to execute shot after shot after shot,
and we really haven't in this generation.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
We didn't.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Tiger Woods's talent is above all else. I'll argue that
with anybody, I think he's the most talented guy to
ever play the game, but Tiger missed more shots than
Scottie does.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
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you about the show. This morning, we're previewing next week's
US Open. There will be a lot of discussion this
morning about next week's venue, Oakmont Country Club, because frankly,
it might end up being the star of the week.
Three great guests this morning. We'll start with Bob Herrig.
Bob covers the game for Sports Illustrated. He's out there

(02:34):
every week. He'll be here in just a few minutes
to get us started on next week's US Open. Then
Bob Ford was the head professional at Oakmont for thirty
seven years. Nobody knows that place better than Bob. He
was also the head professional at Seminole for more than
twenty years. Bob will be here to talk about Oakmont

(02:58):
in just a little while. And finally this morning, Paula
Kreamer won her US Open at Oakmont fifteen years ago.
Paula will be here a little later this morning to
discuss those memories. Big show this morning, Bob Herrig, Bob Ford,
and Paula Creamer. As always gonna let you know where
to find the golf on TV this weekend, and if

(03:21):
we have time this morning in our Why I Love
the Game segment. Architect Gil Hans, who was tasked with
renovating Oakmont before this year's US Open, will tell us
why he loves the game of golf. Okay, coming up,
got the Pink Panther, Paula Creamer, Bob Ford, but first
Sports Illustrated's Bob Herrig stay right there. Thank you for

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Speaker 2 (07:21):
Good morning, and welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show.
I'm John Patrick. Bob Harry covers the game for Sports Illustrated.
Bob is a past president of the Golf Writers' Association
of America and it's always a pleasure to welcome Bob
Herrig back to the Augusta Golf Show. How are you, Bob,
I'm doing well.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Thank you. How are you?

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'm good. I'm good. I'm probably the last guy to
know this. I never knew this. I didn't know you
were an Evans scholar.

Speaker 5 (07:50):
I grew up in the Chicagoary I caddied for ten
years all the way through college, so that's how I
got my exposure to golf.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
So years later, not too many years later, what do
you take what do you take from that experience?

Speaker 5 (08:06):
Oh? Wow, it was, you know, it was it was.
It probably helped shape my life frankly, you know. I
mean it introduced me to a game I might not
have been introduced to otherwise. You know, that's how I
learned to play. Uh. We got to play on Mondays
at the club that I worked at. You know, you

(08:27):
saw successful people. Yeah, it was. It was a very
nice country club that.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
I worked at.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
You know, so there was there was people and obviously
you learned the rules and the etiquette of golf, and
you know, it forged me on my way through college.
I mean, uh, it was. The Evan Scholarship is an
amazing deal. It's a four years, you know, academic scholarship
and uh uh the Evan scholars have their own place

(08:54):
to live. I've you know, lifelong friends from that, and
it just sort of set me on my way, you know.
I mean it's just sort of like that was a
path that I feel very very fortunate that I took
because you know, who knows what I would have done
otherwise if would I have ever gotten interested in golf. Obviously,
golf's been a big part of my career. So, uh, yeah,

(09:17):
it was a great It was a great experience, you know,
and obviously just the whole caddying part. You know, it's
kind of a dying thing in parts of the country,
you know, for reasons that are understood. Clubs meet cart revenue.
It's hard to find caddies climate golf courses are spread
out so much now, but you know, there's there's nothing
quite like taking a caddy when you play. And uh,

(09:39):
and I really appreciate some of the people that I
caddied for who were very very good to me. You know,
they they thought as a way to take somebody under
their wing.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Were you a good caddy?

Speaker 5 (09:52):
I'd like to think so, I mean, uh, you know,
we had a system where you read waited up to
honor caddy and that was the highest level, which meant
and I probably got there in my third or fourth
year of caddy. And you start out as a B
caddy and you go to a this is at least
where I did B caddy, a caddy honor caddy, And

(10:15):
the system where I worked was, you know, the caddy
guy in charge of the caddies, you know, he decided
who people caddied for, and so it was good to
be an honor caddy. He took care of the guys
who had the most experienced and who were the best
caddies and matched them up with the best players or
the best players. So and you know, I'd like to

(10:36):
think that getting nominated for an Evans Scholarship meant I
was a pretty good caddy back in the day. I mean,
this dates me, but the Chicago area caddies got to
caddy in the Western Open, and one of the years
I got picked to do that, that was when the
tournament was at Butler National. So you know, I think, so,

(10:58):
I there's a guy that I still keep in touch
with today who who was a young guy at the time,
a really really good player, liked me, and I caddied
for him every time he played. He was a single
digit handicap and for whatever reason, he liked me, and
and you know, obviously that was great for me because
he paid well and he you know, he was a

(11:19):
good player. It was fun to caddy for a guy
who's good, Yeah, you know, who can help club. And
you know, obviously you're you're catting for plenty of ninety
one hundred shooters as well. But so no, it was
just a great experience. I couldn't. I just cannot say
anything bad about it.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
We're talking, by the way, with Bob Herrig here on
the Augusta Golf Show. I just didn't know. I didn't
mean to turn this conversation into a caddy conversation, all right,
uh US Open Oakmont is Scotty an overwhelming favorite.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
For you, absolutely absolutely, because you know that golf course,
you've got to drive it in play. And you know,
I look at Rory and Bryson right now, who would
probably be the next closest. You know, I'm not sure
they're driving it in play enough. And and of course

(12:15):
you know Rom you know, who had a nice PGA
championship into the last couple of holes, is a good
driver of the ball, you know, so it'll be interesting
to see how how he fares. But you know, when
whenever we hear these things about second shot golf course
and how important that is, that's especially true at Augusta National.
I think Oakman is the first shot golf course. You

(12:37):
got to be in the fairway. And if you look
back at the guys who won, you know, Cabrera was
a really good driver of the ball. Obviously, so was
Dustin Johnson. Uh and so was Shane Lowry, who's finished
second the last time. Even though he's not a long hitter,
he got he gets it in play. So you know,

(12:57):
given what Scott he's been doing recently, I just got
to put him out front of everybody else.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
You know, every US Open, Bob, somebody's grumbling, somebody's complaining.
I'm curious, in your mind does Oakmont somehow feel immune
to that criticism. It's like, no, we're going into a
hard golf course.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
I think there's something to that because it's it's not
really tricked up, like I think they feel some of
them are. You know, I think some of the players
feel that some US Open venues are made to be
harder than they should be through you know, whether it's
you know, a pin placement or or growing the rough

(13:42):
or the way they put a t whereas you know,
the word on Oakmont always is it's hard every day
of the year, Like they don't need to do much
to it. Now, do they need to grow five inch
rough like they're gonna do? You know. I have a
feeling that will be somewhat controversial if that's the case
if that's how high it is, because that does not

(14:03):
allow you to advance the ball at all. Really, you know,
there's no in a lot of cases, there will be
no decision. It'll just be to get it out. But
then that goes back to what I was saying before.
You know that drive it in the fairway, you know,
and that's where the weather comes into play. If it
softens it up a little bit, then then it's easier

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to keep it in the fairway if it's firm and fast.
You know, driving is really at a premium, So I
think you have something there, though I don't think they
feel the same about Oakmont. The greens are always fast,
you know. The rough is difficult, but it's just a
hard golf course, you know, three sixty five.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
You know, Rory admitted earlier this week, and I guess
we all agree with him. You sense Rory's just having
a hard time psyching himself back up after April.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
You know, it's it's interesting, it could have gone either way.
And after the Masters, I was of the mindset that
the shackles are off, just freeze him off. He's gonna
go on a run, you know, he's going to Quail Hollow,
where he's won four times, and instead it's been the
other way, which of course always could have happened. Like

(15:16):
having achieved this incredible goal and getting this burn off,
can you get yourself fired back up again? You know,
is there anything left to chase? And so, you know,
I do think there are things for him to chase.
You know, does he want to be the best European
golf forever? You know, at the very least you'd think
you need to get the six majors to match Faldough.

(15:40):
You know, Harry Varden way back in the day had seven.
But you know, again, I sense that there is a
little bit of difficulty right now in him getting geared
back up. And you know, the way he got frustrated
pretty easily at the PGA I think was an indication
of that.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
In the name Scotti Scheffler and Rory McElroy and Bryson D.
Chambeau have come up. I'm not asking you to pick
a winner. I just I think that's foolhardy. But give
the listener a name or two of someone to pay
attention to.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
Well, I still think Morikawa is on the cusp of
doing something. You know, he's been sort of on the
fringes all year, frustrated that he's not one obviously a
great ball striker. I would like to think that he'd
be there, you know, can't. Ley is another one kind
of a mystery. You know, a really really good player

(16:35):
who's very highly ranked in the world, who hasn't won
for a long time, and you know, maybe a golf
course where it shouldn't really be a putting contest, as
tough as the greens are, it really shouldn't be about that.
It should be about making a lot of cars. And so,
you know, I kind of I kind of looked at
somebody like him and look, the US Open also typically

(16:58):
we look, we've been on a run here lately of
pretty well known and highly regarded players winning majors, but
it doesn't always happen, you know, So you know, it
wouldn't surprise me if some sort of outlier snuck in there.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
He's Bob Harrig. He covers the game for Sports Illustrated. Bob,
thank you for taking the time to do this. I
deeply appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
Have a great week, happy to do it. Thanks so much, John.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
That's Bob Harrig again. You can read Bob's work in
sports illustrated. While I have you, let's take a look
at a couple of the golf headlines from earlier this week.
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could very well be his last. USGA gave Michelson a
special exemption to the twenty twenty one US Open at
Torrey Pines, which in the end he didn't need because
he qualified for that US Open by winning that PGA
Championship in Kiowa the month before. Historically, the USGA does

(18:11):
not grant an exemption more than once to a player. Famously,
Phil has six runner up finishes at the US Open. Well,
congratulations are an order for Joel Oakman. Playing at Rancho
Park in California, Oakman made two two albatrosses on the

(18:32):
par five eighteenth hole in a two month span. Made
his first back on March nineteenth, his second coming a
couple of weeks ago on May nineteenth. In both cases,
Oakman hit driver seven iron. Okay, here you go. Odds
of making a hole in one twelve thousand to one
odds of making an albatross, a million to one odds

(18:57):
of making two and two months. There you get the idea. Hey,
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(19:19):
come this morning, Paula Kremer on winning at Oakmont. But
up next the longtime head professional at Oakmont Country Club,
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Speaker 2 (22:58):
Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
For thirty seven years, Bob Ford was the head professional
at Oakmann Country Club and for twenty one winters he
was also the head professional at Seminole Golf Club. It
is a pleasure to welcome Bob Ford to the Augusta
Golf Show for the very first time.

Speaker 9 (23:20):
How are you, Bob, John great. Thanks. Yeah, I'm up
in Oakmont and excitement building and we're ready for this
show to begin.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
We are going to hear all next week about how
tough Oakmont is, and it is. But Bob, for the
people listening who have never had the chance to see
it in your mind, what makes it so tough.

Speaker 9 (23:46):
Well, you know, the fairways are narrow, it's well bunker
and the bunkers are pretty penal. You're not going to
be in any woods out of these bunkers and probably
you know, fifty to fifty whether they can get home. Uh,
you know, from a bunker shot to the green and
you know there's lots of rough and we probably have

(24:06):
the most fabulous greens in the world. And they're they're fast,
and they're tilted and undulating and all those things. It's
just an incredibly fair test. You know, we don't have
any ponds in front of any greens, man made ponds,
and you know, man made features or hazards. You know,
it's all on the ground. There was to be a
links like kind of a golf course by the founder.

(24:28):
He wanted to build the hardest golf course in the world.
He did a pretty good job of us. The oldest
golf course nineteen oh three, that's in the still in
the open rotation, and uh, you know, these these guys
are going to cry when.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
When when Gil When Gil Hans came in and worked
on the golf course a couple of years ago. You
mentioned the fairway bunkers. Did he do any work on
fairway bunkers or just green side bunkers.

Speaker 9 (24:54):
He did them all. He did all of them, and
he made you know, he made them pretty difficult. You know,
ball rolls up against the face, you're chipping out, and
you know, it's nothing like they're not used to over
in Britain. It's the same kind of program over there.
I mean, these are not pot bunkers, and you know
they're different, but the penalty is the same. You know,

(25:15):
they used to John back in the phones era. You know,
they throw the bunkers and you know, Bobby Jones from
down your Way and all the players, you know, screen
bloody murder about it. And actually in the fifty three
opened that Hogan won, they compromised and only did the
green side bunkers. So the players kind of threatened that
they were going to boycott the Open. So it's been

(25:37):
a controversial place. You know, I think the members like
it like that, They like, you know, living on the
edge as far as the greens are concerned, because you know,
up in this part of the world, if we get
the storm and then we get really hot, humid weather,
we you know, we struggle with our greens. So we

(25:57):
just finished a storm here today's Friday, now before the championship,
and hopefully it's the last one and we've had enough
rain because you know, it rains, its offens it up
and they shoot lower scores. Yeah, we're hoping for dry
weather and the high scores.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
You know, you mentioned the work that the guilded, and
I think the club has sort of become the poster
child for tree removal at a golf club ballpark. Bob,
how many trees did the club remove?

Speaker 9 (26:28):
Well, John, you know, there were you know, three four
thousand on the golf course, you know, in between holes,
behind greens, et cetera, that we removed, and then another
ten thousand that we removed that were really woods that
you know, were behind greens and behind tees that we
needed to lengthen things like that. So I mean, you know,
fourteen fifteen thousand overall, but on the golf course. There

(26:50):
were only three or four thousand only, right.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Having you on the show allows me to I hope
you'll indulge me with two questions. Myths I've heard about
the tree removal. Well, you'll tell me if they're myths.
Was the program begun sort of surreptitiously, sort of secretly?
Did the members not know trees were being removed?

Speaker 9 (27:18):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
All right, here's the other one. Here's the other one.
When I was there, I was told a story about
how the membership discovered the trees were being removed. And
I don't I'm thinking you've heard it about one of
the members heading for his favorite tree to relieve himself

(27:42):
and it was no longer there.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
It was actually a caddy and that's true story, really.
And when he got there, he saw the new sad
that was there and the tree was gone, and he
said something to the memory was catting for and then
that kind of blew or cover down about a thousand
before we got caught about that.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
We're talking Greg, We're talking with Bob Ford here on
the Augusta Golf Show. All right, now, I'm going to
ask you to tell a story, because I've heard you
tell this story about the tree removal talk about I
guess you were in the left bunker on number one.

Speaker 9 (28:23):
Is that well? Very true. Yeah, this was in the
early eighties. Now, remember we didn't take a tree down
for about ten more years. In fact, they kept planning
them after this story. But I was just a kid professor,
you know, early in my career, and I took the
grounds committee down. We always worked coat and ties to
the meetings, and they were, you know, I was young,
they were old like me now. And I said, you know,

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I just want you to see for your for yourselves,
what's presented to the shot that I have. I'm in
the bunker on one on the left side of the fairway,
and there was a big tree in I really couldn't
play to the green from the bunker. And the chairman
of the committee said, you know, Bob's right, we got
to get rid of that bunker. I started to cry,

(29:10):
and we didn't take a tree out for another ten years.
I mean it was you know, I did all I
could educated but you know, kind of fell on deaf ears.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I love that story. I've heard you tell that story.
I love that. Something else about Oakmont that I guess
I want the listener who's never had the chance to
be there, because I don't know that they're going to
hear anything like this next week. In the spirit of
full disclosure, I've had the opportunity to be there on
four occasions, and it strikes me, Bob as a club,

(29:45):
not not not not a you know, bring your guest,
corporate kind of club. It's it's a club where the
members love it and the kids might be out there.
When we were out there having dinner on the porch,
there were a couple of young kids on the putting green,
you know, doing what kids do on a putting green,
making putts, scraping putts, you know, taking them to the
and I just I thought to myself, I love that.

(30:07):
It seems like it's it's it's it's very it's very
much a family sort of club.

Speaker 9 (30:16):
Well it is, John, and uh, you know, we're proud
of that. You know, I would say back in the
old days, you know, it was a local community club
when most members were from Oakmont, and they were you know,
you know, the pharmacy guy and the you know, the
hardware guy and just just regular people.

Speaker 17 (30:36):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (30:38):
And that's what mister Phones wanted, you know. I just
wanted all the neighbors and all the people that play
golf to come. It wasn't that expensive obviously in the
in that era. But I know we've morphed into a
lot more than that obviously, you know. To keep our
costs down, we do have guest days that are like Monday, Tuesday,
Thursday that are very busy with guests and corporate type things.

(31:01):
And then Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. It's it's the
members club and it's the family club, and we do
everything we can to get the kids to you know,
enjoy golf and their wives and uh, you know, there's
not many rules. You just gotta you know, you gotta
play fast. You got to play an under four hours,
which is hard to open mark because you're you know,
you're three and four button a lot of the holes

(31:23):
because it's so difficult. But yeah, it's definitely a traditional
family country club.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
I've got the T shirt Bob that says, if you
play well, play fast. If you play poorly, play faster.

Speaker 14 (31:36):
Isn't it.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, Yeah, you know, I here's something else we say
when we're out there playing, if you remember, if you
play that golf course on a regular basis the recreational
golfer and your three handicap, Oh my gosh, your game
must travel everywhere.

Speaker 9 (31:52):
Yeah, I would say, And our guys do they do
well when they visit other clubs and get a three
handicaps here? You can you know, any single digit handicap
here is a very good golfer.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
I've heard you say, and I'll let you go. I've
heard you say, you know, talking about next week, if
if there's rain, if there's weather, if the club, if
the course becomes soft, maybe five under is a good score.
If not, maybe five over is a good score.

Speaker 9 (32:21):
That's exactly right. Those are my numbers and somewhere in between.
And just spent the night yesterday last night with the
USGA committee that sets up the golf course, and that's
exactly where they wanted to fit in. And you know,
I mean, guy like Scotti Scheffley could go crazy and
shoot eight or nine under, but I don't think he'll
get to double digits.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
I can't thank you enough, Bob. I know you're busy,
You've got a lot going on, and I know I
asked at the very last minute. I can't thank you
enough for saying yes to this and I hope we
do this again. I'd love to talk about seminole. Thank
you Bob for taking the time to do this.

Speaker 9 (32:58):
Happy to do it John anytime.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
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Speaker 2 (38:10):
Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
Paula Creamer won ten times on the LPGA Tour, including
the twenty ten US Women's Open, which she won at Oakmont.
Pleasure to welcome Paula Kreamer back to the Augusta Golf Show.
How are you, Paula?

Speaker 18 (38:29):
I'm good, Thanks John, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Thank you.

Speaker 18 (38:31):
I know it feels crazy. It's been fifteen years pretty
much since I watched.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Can you believe that?

Speaker 18 (38:37):
No time? Five? Right?

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Oh, Paula, It's only gonna go quicker. Just so you know,
I don't know if twenty ten was your first time
at Oakmont, but do you remember your.

Speaker 18 (38:51):
Impressions definitely my first time.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
All right, what were your impressions the first time you
played that golf course?

Speaker 18 (38:57):
I think I'm the only person that I've ever really
actually talked to where I was just in love with
the golf course the first time I played it. I
went and played it about maybe five weeks maybe five
four or five weeks before the actual event, because I
played that was my fourth tournament back, and I wanted

(39:18):
to get a practice round in before I got there
for the week of the Open because it's always a
crazy week and then with the injury. So I went
out and I played, and I just absolutely loved the
golf course. It was just it's so beautiful. It's different,
it's unique. But I have never heard anybody really say
that the first time they've ever played it.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
You're talking to one I've I've loved I loved it
the first time I saw it. Did you ever? So
you didn't see it either with trees? Did you?

Speaker 5 (39:49):
No?

Speaker 18 (39:49):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Don't you wish? I wish i'd had?

Speaker 18 (39:51):
Now you know what? I called Patty she and UH
talked to her about Oakland. Obviously she won there and
she actually it was pretty funny because she was like,
why are you calling me? I'm like, I want to
talk to you about Oakmont, like you won there and
I want to understand it. And the first thing she said, well,
is a completely different golf course without all those trees.

(40:13):
And I was like, I know, I really really wish
I could have seen it with that too.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah. I you know, I had Bob Ford on earlier,
and Bob says that Jack and Arnold and Gary and
Trevino all hated it without the trees.

Speaker 18 (40:28):
I can't I can see. I mean, it is a beautiful,
obviously property when you stand there and you can just
see all the rolling you know, hills and sing in
golf course everywhere. I mean, it is very stunning that way.
But still, yes, the trees, I can't even imagine what
that actually looked like.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
You know, you say you loved it from the moment
you saw it. Do you think that helped with twenty
ten one hundred percent?

Speaker 18 (40:54):
Yes, you know, it's always a mindset of feeling good
or feeling comfortable, and I just I think that helped
a lot. I mean, especially where I was at with
my injury and mentally, and you know, I was always
just trying to be positive, but that that actually was
a true gut feeling that I really really did like

(41:16):
it there. I mean, did I think that, you know,
by Sunday afternoon that was what was going to happen. No,
you know, just because of expectations and whatnot, but I
really did. I just there's something about it. I mean
when you look at those boards with the you know,
the past winners and champions on like the greats. I mean,
it's such a cool place.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Why do we those who love it and love the game,
why do we gravitate too old like that?

Speaker 18 (41:44):
I think because obviously the history behind it, and I
mean it's just an immaculate golf course is always imperfect shape.
I mean the fact that, like I said, you know
you look back at all these past winners. I mean,
this golf course can last of you know, to the
lass of time over here. This thing is going to
be around for a really really long time. The members
are incredible, you know, just how they they're so proud

(42:08):
of their of their country club, and they should be.
It's such as it's just a it's a place where
the nostalgia it just kind of makes you just smile
when you I mean when you first drive into the
parking lot. You don't even know, you don't barely know
where you're at, you know. I mean, it's like the
smallest little sign for one of the most you know

(42:28):
you prestigious golf courses in the world. And then it's
like you automatically just get the smile on you on
your face.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
But Paula, you know, the best places had the smallest
little signs.

Speaker 18 (42:39):
That is true, That is very true coming from where
you're at right now, we are.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Talking with Paula Kreamer here on the Augusta Golf Show.
You mentioned calling Patty Shehan. Okay, let's play a game.
Scotti Scheffler calls Paula Kreamer asking her about how to
navigate the golf course. What do you tell Scotty?

Speaker 18 (43:00):
Oh my goodness, Well, first off, I would probably not
be able to speak for like two minutes, and then
I would be kind of laugh. But at the same time,
I mean, well, first that guy is just he's so
good and his caddy Tap, I mean, they just are
such a good team. And honestly, I think that's how
I I won. There was my team, my caddy. You know,

(43:22):
there's such a big part of it. Also and that
you know that relationship, especially at Oakmont, because you need
to know where to miss it. And I think that's
the biggest thing. I've never really played a golf course
where I thought, Okay, I'm in trouble. How do we
eliminate double bogie, you know, because it can happen like that,
especially at Oakmont and in the US Open. It's I've
been I can can hold that to, you know, to

(43:43):
the heartburnt that one because it's bit me in the
booty before. But I mean it's all about those par putts.
It's all about missing the ball and the right you know,
right place, taking advantage you know of I think the
par fives. You know, there's a couple holes. I mean,
I've I remember Patty and and actually Bob Ford told

(44:03):
me the first six hole. You play it by a
six hole golf course, so you know your first six
and your middle six and then your last six. And
if you can get through the first six around one
over par, you are doing awesome, you know, and then
it's like you have the middle section of you know.
I mean, it was just it actually helped break break
it down, and I think mentally that helped me a

(44:24):
lot you know, it's it's part of that everything of
having a game plan. I mean when you see Scott,
he always seems like he has his game plan. You
know him and say so it's it's nice to see that.
But I think that would be my biggest thing. And
then you know, obviously the putting, and I mean he
would be that would be pretty incredible if he did calmly.

(44:45):
But I'm not going to hold my breath out right here.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Oh you know, you said something and recreational golfers are
listening right now, and you talk about and many golfers
talk about missinggan in the right place when you're playing
around a golf and it's a major championship. What does
that mean? Missing it in the right place?

Speaker 18 (45:01):
Well, I mean sometimes when you are in trouble or
let's just say you're in between clubs and it's you know,
it's a backflag, but it's tempting because you know you
have maybe a short iron in there. You know, sometimes
you need to be like, all right, I might come
up you know four paces short, you know four you
know four or five yards short, like it's okay, you
know it, or you know, trying to understand when to

(45:24):
be aggressive if you're in the rough, all right, the
rough at Oakmont is and it's thick, it's not it's
it's not something to be messed with. So it's not
like you're going to pull out of five iron. You know,
you've got to take your medicine. Where can I get
it back in the fairway? Up there? Where can I
try and salvage a par you know, should I miss
it on the left side, should I miss it on
the right is a bunker? Better? Things like that where

(45:47):
you know, okaland's about your short game. So you know,
if you don't hit the fairways, it's going to be
a really really long day and there's gonna put a
lot of pressure on your short game. So that's kind
of where when I say that's where the misses, where
do you want to miss it? Where's your best chance
to get up and down? Basically?

Speaker 2 (46:05):
You know, I asked David Graham once, who won his
US Open at Marion, does it matter where you win
your major? And David said absolutely, Does it matter that
you wanted Oakmont?

Speaker 18 (46:18):
Yes it does. I couldn't have asked for a better
place to have won my first major, especially you know
US Open. I mean I would have taken anywhere, of course,
but the fact that it was there, I mean, it's
just it's the coolest thing in the world to have said,
you know, I have a US Open. Oh where'd you want? Oakmont?

(46:39):
I mean, it just sounds so great rolling off of
your tongue.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Did you Did you ever make it down the street
to the bakery?

Speaker 18 (46:49):
I did so. I just was there recently, about a
month ago, and I went to the bakery and man,
I mean, obviously in the huge new building now is
not where I was when we were there fifteen years ago,
and it was it was really cool. They had this big,
you know screen up there with you know, a picture

(47:10):
of me and the US Open trophy when I came by,
and I mean, I've never talked about a bakery more
in my life than the bakery.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
It's pretty impressive. It's pretty impressive, it really is. Before
I let you go, for the folks listening, fans that
are listening, I know you're going to be an assistant
on Captain Stanford's Solheim Cup team, but but but tell
me about what's going on, tell me about your future,
tell me about if you're getting back out there again.

Speaker 18 (47:39):
Yes, I'm I'm hoping, uh for next year, I will
be back out with you know, a full schedule. Just
been really nursing my injuries over here and just waiting
for the call from doctor to say, all right, go
for it. You know. Obviously, injuries are just they're no fun.
And I've had them before and this was one where

(48:01):
I was just not I was not going to come
back too soon. You know, I've done that in the
past and it's you know, it's it was a mistake,
but I'm I'm learning from that. So I really want
to be prepared and ready to go for a full
schedule next year. So that's that is my plan right now. Yes,
I am also super excited to be another assistant captain,

(48:24):
you know now under Angela Stanford. It's such an honor.
I mean, it's just such a special week and you know,
it's obviously a different role than I've played, you know,
on the on the team, but it was really really
fun last year when I did it under Stacy Lewis
as well.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Well. I can't thank you enough for saying yes to this.
It's really good to hear your voice again, Paula, thank you,
thank you for doing this.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
No worries.

Speaker 18 (48:49):
Thank you, John, thank you for having me appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Oh Man, crushing a little bit there, big fan, big
fan of Paula's. There you go, Paula Kreamer. Uh, don't
go away, We're coming right back. You're listening to the
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Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
It's time for our Why I Love the Game segment
portion of the show where somebody tells us why the
game of golf is so important and so meaningful in
their life. This morning, Gil Hans, who was tasked with
renovating Oakmont for next week's US Open, tells us why

(52:46):
he loves the game of golf.

Speaker 19 (52:51):
Well, I love I mean the two aspects that the
playing of the game. That was being with friends, being outside,
the integrity of the game, just the pleasure of hitting
a great golf shot. But I think, from from my standpoint,
the thing I love the most about golfer our playing field.
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(53:12):
go to is different. Sure they're eighteen holes and you
know their components to these greens bunkers, but the landscape
itself provides unlimited opportunities to for a playing ground, and
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(53:35):
to be, you know, again with great company, hopefully and
to uh you know, as I'm thinking of the old
Scottish saying, a tolerable green, a tolerable tolerable weather, and
a tolerable opponent should constitute any anything a man wants
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(53:56):
beautiful golfing landscapes and just sort of navigating your way
through them. I can't think of a better game that
you employs strategy, soawd, interest, difficulty, and camaraderie at a
level that no other game has.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Here you go, that's Gil hands and why he still
loves the game of golf. You know. Bob Ford tells
a story that when the members at Oakmont and Gil
got together to discuss Gil renovating the golf course, the
thing that was uppermost in the minds of the members

(54:37):
was that he not make it easier than it was.
Not what he did, he did not make it easier
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and I say this every year. Next year this program
celebates its seventeenth anniversary. We'll look back on some of
the conversations from the last year as this program turns
seventeen years old. Well, that's the show for this moat.
I do want to thank my guests Bob Herrig, Bob Ford,

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and Paula Kramer. Thank you for taking the time to
tune in and listen this morning. Please make sure the
other members of your foursome know about the program, and
please make sure that they're listening when it's on the radio,
but also remind them these days shows available on demand
twenty four to seven. It's on the iHeartRadio app, It's

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on the Odyssey app and iTunes apps, It's on Apple Podcasts,
and it's available however you and they stream at home.
Wallace AND's Son Lawn and Garden Show is coming up
next See and See Automotive Show after that this morning, Mary,
Liz ab and I are going to be back Monday

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morning at five thirty. Have a great weekend and thank
you for listening to The Augusta Golf Show with John Patrick.
Please stay well and please stay safe and I'll see
you next week on the seventeenth anniversary. It's unbelievable, So long,
bye bye.

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The Augusta goff Show with John Patrick is a production
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Copyright twenty twenty five. The theme for The Augusta Golf
Show was written and performed by Jim Brickman. I'm Jeff
Lawrence and we'll see you next time.