The Augusta Golf Show/Peter Kessler, Josh Gregory & Scott Michaux

This weekend,
Peter Kessler recaps the US Open
Josh Gregory on working with JJ Spaun
Scott Michaux on Rory McIlroy

Episode Transcript

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Pleasure to welcome Johnson Wagner back to the Augusta Golf Show.

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I feel like the beauty of it is that we're
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and it's no I've gotten so comfortable. I've gotten so
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Speaker 4 (00:37):
You know, I didn't get to see Jack Nicholas in
his prime. I guess that probably maybe Hogan or Nicholas
would be the closest thing to what we're seeing with
Scheffler's this ability to execute.

Speaker 5 (00:48):
Shot after shot after shot, and.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
We really haven't in this generation.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
We didn't.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Tiger Woods's talent is above all else. I'll argue that
with anybody, I think he's the most talented guy to
ever play the game, but Tiger missed more shots than
Scottie does.

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listen okay, tell you about the show this morning. We're
gonna spend the show looking back at various aspects of
last week's US Open. Starting like we usually do with

(02:29):
Peter Kessler. Peter comes on the show following the big
events in the game to break him down as only
he can or will. This morning, we'll get his thoughts
on jjspawn's when at Oakmont. Then, speaking of JJ, one
of his coaches, Josh Gregory, will be here to talk
about the work he and JJ have been doing and

(02:51):
what it was like to watch it all payoff last
Sunday afternoon in Pittsburgh. And then finally this morning, we'll
discuss what we saw or maybe didn't see from Rory
McElroy last week. The Masters winner has had a tough
go of it the last couple of months. Scott Mischaw,
who writes for Global Golf Post and The Irish Examiner,

(03:12):
will be here to talk about Rory. So that is
the show for this morning. We're going to break down
the US Open a few different ways. As always, I
will let you know where to find the golf on
TV this weekend. If we've got time this morning and
our Why I Love the Game segment he popped up
a couple of times last week at Oakmont For good reason.

(03:34):
Johnny Miller will tell us why he loves the game
of golf. Okay, coming up Scott Moose Show on Rory,
Josh Gregory on JJ Spahn. But first Peter Kessler with
his US open thoughts. Stay right there. Thank you for
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Speaker 2 (07:33):
Morning. Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick. Okay,
here we go. Historian award winning broadcaster Peter Kessler is
back here to tell us what he thought of last
week's US Open. Always a pleasure to welcome Peter Kessler
back to the Augusta Golf Show. How are you, my friend?

Speaker 12 (07:54):
I am well, John, and I'm delighted to be with you.
Everything is good with you and Lisa, all the cats
and everything.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Well we we actually we actually had to put a
cat down last week. But I appreciate the thought and.

Speaker 12 (08:08):
I apologize and I'm sorry to hear that no, I know.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
It was a tough week. Uh Is Oakmont your favorite
US Open course?

Speaker 12 (08:19):
No, it's like not even close to my favorite US
Open course. It was so unfun. You know, when you
play around to golf, say in a new golf course,
what's the most important thing you can say when it's over?
That was really fun. Not all that architecture, not oh

(08:42):
those vistas, not oh those green good slopes. Was it fun?
And that was super duper no fun. No reason to
gimmick up the course like that. There was no reason
to change so many holes in key places where the

(09:05):
better players would have been able to take better advantage of.
That's why whenever they do one of these US Open
you know redos. If you think of two thousand and
nine at Pinehurst and Martin Kaymer was by eight or
nine shots. That just had to do with the fact
that they made so many changes, and so many of

(09:28):
them gave everybody random lies, and so the fewer random
lies that you had in what was now the absence
of rough just really made it difficult and made it
on fun and you couldn't figure out how to stop
your golf ball. Guy can go all the way back
to cart Ustie in ninety nine. Why do we think,

(09:51):
why do you think we got three names that we
neg we basically had heard of before. It's the top
of the leaderboard. Because sometimes when you when you you
play with the off course, that you make changes and
you try to make them more difficult, what you do
is sometimes limit the ability of the better players to
play there best game whatever it is they have to

(10:14):
do best that week. It's not like they're one dimensional.
You know, these guys do have options. But that's why
you see names on leaderboards on Thursdays at the Masters
and you go, who are those guys? Sometimes you see
that at a US Open, or you see that at
an Open Championship, very rarely at a PGA, even though

(10:37):
there's guys in the field that you never heard of
because they're PGA club pro. So, but I don't like
the changes. The rough was too long, the fairways were
too narrow, the greenside ruff was ridiculous. You know, you
should be able to pull off a shot relative to

(10:59):
the difficulty of degree that it ought to have relative
to where you're trying to go. So when you're just
a couple of feet off the green and you know
you're still looking for your golf ball. I'm not a
fan of that, and I don't like rough bordering the
fairways that's so long that you're chipping out. What's the
most boring shot in the history of golf, the chip

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out from long rough ordering the fairways back into the fairway,
because you have, first of all, you're only hitting it
five or ten yards, so you can get somebody up
of the street corner to do that. And then you
have the whole width of the fairway to land the
ball and keep it on so the distance control thing
is not an issue. And then from there you're going

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to be able to hit the green because you're back
out on the fairway. I want to see them be
able to advance the golf ball with some uncertainty as
to how the outcome is going to turn out. You know,
sometimes you'll get a knuckleball. Sometimes it'll go a lot
farther than you want. Sometimes you play a stupid shot

(12:02):
when you should have just laid up forty yards short
of the green and tried to get a pitching putt park. So, no,
I was not a fan. I was not a fan,
but the scores were. You know. The funny thing is,
though the best player in the field, who's the best
golf in the world right now, Scottie Shepherd somehow still

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managed to stay within shouting distance with the unbelievable uncertainty
that the golf course presented. And all credit to JJ Spahn.
What a great victory. I mean, last year he was
thinking of quitting the game. Last year he was thinking

(12:44):
of quitting the game. He's had a long, tough slog
at this. You know, it took him to twenty twenty
two to win, and then he wins the Balero, you know,
Texas Open, which doesn't get you a lot of stuff,
but it's a win and it kept him going for
a while. So to me, he's the story that he
overcame the absurdity of the setup. He overcame the absurdity

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of the presentation of the golf course. And the reason
he got better on the final day of the quality
of the golfers because they had a little rain, so
it's softened up the greens a little bit, so you
could play your approaches a little bit more straight forward.
And so I appreciated that. And when a guy finishes

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Bertie Birdie the way that he did at US Open,
you know, he had the second longest odds to win
a major of anybody who played in a major championship
in the last ten years, the second worst odds only you.
You were the only guy when you when you got

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in by the you know, they had that special drawing you,
you were the only one that had longer odds. I mean,
it's unbelievable what he was able to accomplish. So, yeah,
the story is not the golf course. It's the overcoming
of same that I thought was so fabulous and made
the final day so exciting because you didn't have a

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lot of name players in the mix. Early in the
final day, you know, I had the sense that a
lot of people weren't paying real close attention. But by
the time the thing made the turn, everybody was paying
attention because this was different. So that was unique and attractive,
and the names in the mix were unexpected for a

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variety of reasons, some of which we covered. And so
I'm hoping that they make it a little bit more playable.
All this is about is they don't want the players
to be able to score on a US Open course that,
when it was built in nineteen oh four, was meant

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to be the hardest course in the world based on
the fact that the modern golf ball had just been
invented in nineteen oh one and eight seat phones who
built Oakmont four knew the future was longer golf courses.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
What would you have liked to and we only have
a couple of minutes, what would you have liked to
have seen them do different with Oakmont? The shorter rough.

Speaker 12 (15:28):
Yeah, it got to cut the rough down a couple
inches off the off the sides of the fairway, and
I would have cut the rough down a couple inches
around the green. There's a point at which when the
grass gets so long that it lays over itself. Ear at,

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golf's not fair game, but you're at a rediculous point.
Then you don't have any options really, and the one
that you're left with that kind of try to hit
a bunker shot essentially is all you could really do
in that case at the club enter from behind and
let the let the bottom the flange of the golf
club of a fifty six degree wedge, not sixty as

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a sharper bottom edge. That's why recreational players should never
use that as a bunker or anywhere else for that matter. Yeah,
I think it should have been a little bit more playable.
I like a score between four and ten under at
the US Open because it means the course was really tough,

(16:33):
but it yielded to the brilliance of the player who
played best that week, which in a lot of cases
usually is the player who's playing the best that year.
Scheffler got close enough. I mean he hung around, kept
it right around seventy for four straight days, and so yes,
it's the scoring, you know. And he had to finish

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birdie birdie to get it one under. So yeah, when
the scoring is all over par and the names that
you expect to see you don't see it all. And
sometimes it's the player's fault you didn't play well. But
sometimes the course just just beats you up and you
think you've hit the ball into a reasonable place of
foot off the fairway, and it's worse there, and it

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is twenty five feet off of the fairway where people
have been chomping on the grass with their feet. So
the winning score to me needs to be one to
one and a half under per round. So that's why
I like four to ten in a major championship.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Golf Historian Award winning broadcast Hey who turned eighty three
this week, do.

Speaker 12 (17:39):
You know Yeah, my man McCartney.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
There you go. You didn't disappoint So.

Speaker 12 (17:48):
Yes, very very very huge week and way over shadows
of the US opening.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
I appreciate it. Thank you, Peter.

Speaker 12 (17:56):
Nice to be with you.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Okay, there you go, it's Peter Kessler. While I have
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That's Augusta Goolfshow dot com slash Listen. Welcome back to
the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick. My friend Josh
Gregory is a performance golf coach, two time NCAA Coach

(23:29):
of the Year. He was just off the eighteenth Green
Sunday watching one of his pupils when the US Open.
It's a pleasure, really is to welcome Josh Gregory back
to the Augusta Golf Show.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
How are you, Josh.

Speaker 9 (23:43):
I'm doing great, my friend. Thank you so much for
having me, and miss everybody GUSA, miss you, miss all
of our good times we had there and all of
our times at Forest Hills and everywhere else. So it'll
always be second home.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Well time seems these times seem pretty good. How did
you and Jay Jay get together?

Speaker 9 (24:02):
Interesting story, John, We So when I was that of
guys to excuse me, when I went from my guys
tot SMU, I was the coach of the Palmer Cup
team and this is a this is true story. So
I was, you know, we picking the ten ten kids
on the team, ten players on the team to go
to Royal County down that year to play the international squad.
And I didn't get to have any picks. I got

(24:24):
to give a little bit of input, and I was
lobbying really hard for JJ to be on that team
because we had played with him a bunch and I
thought he was the best player in the country that
nobody really knew about him. He think it was ranked
eleventh in the world golf amateur ranking, so he was great,
but I mean he just kind of didn't He wasn't
from Georgia, he went from Texas, he wasn't from wherever,
so you know, just was kind of under the radar

(24:44):
and he didn't get picked. And so he's given me
a hard time ever since then, saying that I snubbed
him for the for the Palmer Cup team, although I
had no say so in it. So we've been friends
for a long time. His full swing coach is Adam Shriver,
who helps Sam Ryder, who's another one of my students,
So you know, I've known him forever and sit and

(25:06):
Adam has been pushing JJ to kind of come my
way and get some help, and I've helped him a
few times off and on to help him some of
the memorial and you know what his credit. This is
one of the coolest things. Here's a guy that's thirty
four years old, he's having his best year in his career,
top fifteen FedEx stop, top twenty five in the world
loser Deroy McElroy at the players and reached out and

(25:27):
said I need more help, which is pretty impressive and
extremely mature, knowing that he's having his best year. It'd
be easy just to sit around and say, hey, I'm
doing the right things. And he knew he wanted to
be elite. He knew he wanted to have a chance
to win major championships, to play in the Ryder Cup,
to contend more, to win more, and he knew that
his short game and putting kind of holds him back.
He's a incredible ball striker, I think top five on

(25:50):
the tour and strokes gained approach and just it's kind
of you know, and you know, a little above average putter,
but not as good as he could be. Works extremely hard,
He's got amazing and he just needed some guidance and
some structure, and his short game has definitely held him back.
You know, that was probably his only stroke skining negative
category maybe one hundred and thirty or fortieth and on
the tour, and that so needed some help there. But

(26:12):
you know, also just needed some help and how destructure,
how to get better because he works hard, but just
said I don't know how to work the right way
and I need to get better. And to his credit,
he bought in immediately, did everything I could ask him
even more, and literally it was just kind of we were.
It was funny. We were warming up one morning and
I said, how much time do you like on the range?
So it was a little bit of trial and error.

(26:34):
I didn't didn't know how long we should be spitting
on the greens before, so it was still a learning process.
But now we at least our have our play going forward.
So very excited about him. He's an awesome dude, and
he's got a beautiful family, and he's a he's a
good man, Josh.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
When you work with somebody at that level short game putting,
are there universal rules or are do you zero write
in on them in particular and things you're seeing with them?

Speaker 9 (27:00):
That's a great question. I have my general rules, where
I call it a template or a blueprint of how
to practice the structure in all areas. That's essentially the
same for every player that I help with small variants
is based on their learning styles and based on their
specific needs. But the template of how to practice and
to structure it, you know, into the technical areas, into

(27:23):
the random areas, and into the competitive areas is all
sense of the same. Now, the technical part is player dependent.
I don't teach it one size fit all. It needs
to match up with their golf swing. It needs to
match up with you know, whether they're a drawer or
a cutter, you know, different things like that. So I
have to look at that and get to know them
first and foremost. But yeah, everything's player dependent. And you know,

(27:46):
when people say what do you teach, I say, well,
around the greens, I teach live bas chipping, which every
single chip is differently, every single bunker shot is different,
every single shot of the rough is different. No two
shots are ever the same. So and there's not there's
so there's definitely not a one one, one size fit all.
And so I'm a golf nerd. I love the short game.

(28:06):
I think you kind of have to be able to
do it on your own a little bit to figure
it out. And that's about the only thing I can
still do anymore. I can still chip a little bit.
So I love just throwing balls around the green and
trying to figure it out. And I think that gives
you a little bit more credibility that you can do
it on your own and and and and relay the
message and be confident in it. That a lot of
coaches and structors love the full swing but don't necessarily

(28:28):
love teaching, uh, teaching the short game, and and and
that's okay, you know I don't.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
I don't.

Speaker 9 (28:33):
I don't necessarily love look at a track man and
looking at all the wonderful numbers there. I enjoy trying
to get the ball in the hole.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
I would assume, having said what you said, you would
say to every recreational golfer listening, go practice the short.

Speaker 9 (28:46):
Game, yes, go go go throw balls around the green,
and and and and just try to figure it out.
I think that's the best thing. And I think everybody
uh spends too much time just hitting the same shot,
which is obviously good for technique, can change your technique,
but I think they got to put themselves in some
random situations. And I think, you know, when it comes

(29:06):
to the putty and comes to putty, and I don't
think nearly enough time is spent there just just working
on speed and drills, and you know, everybody just kind
of goes to the putting green, which I know I
did as well, and they throw three balls down and
they hit it to the same hole over and over again,
and well it doesn't really do any good because after
that first one, everything else is just reaction. It's not
really testing your skills.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
What were you thinking when JJ got off to the
bumpy start Sunday.

Speaker 9 (29:32):
I was pulling for exactly what happened to lightning delay.
You know, it was crazy because he didn't really do
anything wrong, And that's what I told him in the break.
I mean, yeah, he struggled in the first hole, made
a bogey there, deserved making bogey. Two, he gets the
awful break. I mean he turned birdie into bogey there
by hitting the flag. The ball was going to be
a kick in.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
Three.

Speaker 9 (29:52):
He didn't hit a bad shot and just didn't get
up the hill, and now he's down in a spot
where he was dead four, he gets the awful break
off the tee still managed the way to make par.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (30:02):
You know, five and six he didn't play the best
of holes, but in my opinion, he deserved to be
about two over par instead of five over par. But
you kind of knew. I mean, look, he is as
as good as anybody in the world. But it's the
first time being in that position. You know you're gonna
be nervous. I kept telling them all week, there's gonna

(30:23):
be adversity, You're gonna get some bad breaks. You're gonna
get some some bad lives. And that's what happens at
a US Open, especially at Oakmon. And I said, we're
gonna have a choice. We can either react or respond.
Or reaction is either a negative or a positive emotion,
and a response is we're gonna go forward. And so
I just kept telling him we got to respond. Something's
gonna happen bad, that it's going to test you at

(30:44):
some point. And he had some bad breaks there, did
some things that were going against his way. But during
the break I just simply told him, I said, but look,
this is Father's Day. You got a beau, you got
two beautiful babies, you got a beautiful family. On Monday,
you would have signed up for being four back uh
in the US Open, ten holes to play. So life's
pretty good. And he was just simply trying, trying, trying

(31:05):
too hard, was really letting it go, seating over the
ball a little bit longer than he than he normally was.
And just simply told her, look, you gotta you got,
you gotta let it go. You got you've got to
let this go and and and get back to reacting
at a little bit more, and that that's just reaffirming
to him that as I told said, look, you're playing
better than you're playing better golf than anybody in this field.

(31:27):
You're gonna have a chance if you keep making pars,
you keep being boring. And I said, one break is
going to happen. Something good is going to happen here.
And fortunately that was kind of the break on twelve,
the par five, when he hit a second shot way
right and it wound up still in the hard k
and he knocked on the green. He made a nasty
forty foot pot. So that was the one kind of
thing he needed to flip the switch.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
We're talking with Josh Gregory here on the AUGUSTA Golf Show.
With players at that level and the many that you
with whom you work the rain delay, do you have
to do? You have to kind of figure out do
I need to talk to him? Does he need to
hear from me? How does that work?

Speaker 9 (32:06):
That's yes, one hundred percent. I mean that's that's where. Look,
I'm way more of a coach than an instructor. There's
obviously an instructional component to everything I do, but the
coaching is where understanding what how to read a player?
And I knew we need a little bit of love,
but also knew we need a little kick in the
butt to say, hey man, you're right in this thing.
There's no time to feel sorry for yourself. You've got

(32:27):
a few bad breaks. So it's it's you have to
just try to read the situation. And then this one's
a little tougher because it's new and I'm you know,
we're we're I know him pretty well, but I don't
know him that well. It's not like Wills Altaurus or
hint In Orlando or Taylor Moore or somebody like that,
or Sam Ryder or even Nick Dunlap, somebody that I've
been with around for a lot longer time. I would
have had a much better feel of exactly what to say.

(32:49):
But I just went with my gut and thought that
he needed to be kind of challenged a little bit
and and and to be told, you know, everything's gonna
be all right, and get and get asked him a
little bit, and fortunately, fortunately it worked out. I guess
it would look like an idiot if it wouldn't it
worked out. But yeah, that's gonna be a part of
just reading the room and reading the situation and understanding
when you need a little bit of love and when

(33:11):
you need a kicking the button. He needed a little
bit of both at that time.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
He is Josh Gregory. Josh, it is good to hear
your voice. It is good to catch up with you.
Congratulations on all of this.

Speaker 9 (33:20):
Thanks my friend, and tell everybody and a gus I said,
al and miss him and I still get back quite
quite often. But it will always be. People have asked me,
which one do you enjoy more? And nothing will ever
replace those national championships. That's that's family, and that's that's
something that will never be replaced. The US Open with

(33:41):
with JJ and the Master's with Patrick was obviously dreams
come true, but those those national championships will never ever
be replaced. Thank you, Josh, Thanks my friend.

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God we've known each other fifteen years at least, Josh Gregory,
I could not be more for where and how he
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Speaker 2 (39:13):
Welcome back to the Augusta Golf Show. I'm John Patrick.
Scott Misshow covers the game for Global Golf Post and
The Irish Examiner. It is always a pleasure to welcome
Scott moo show back to the Augusta Golf Show. All right, Scott,
I'm doing good.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
John. How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I'm all right, I'm all right, Okay. What do you
make of what we have seen and what we are
seeing from Rory?

Speaker 5 (39:41):
I'm having a hard time trying to see what his
endgame is with this. He's been such a delightful subject
for the media through the years. I think there's been
a great relationship between Rory and the media through the years.
I mean, he gets criticized now and again, but for
the most part, he enjoys a really good relationship because

(40:05):
he gives us good material. And I don't quite understand
what has set him off to have this kind of thing.
It just be that somebody reported that his driver failed
inspection at the PGA Championship, and because you know, most
of the media certainly understands that that happens to all

(40:25):
these players all the time. So I just don't know
what it is. You know, maybe he's just tired of
something or someone or or whatever it is. But then
again on Sunday he was terrific when he spoke after
his final round. So I don't I don't know where
it goes from here, whether it's over, whether it continues,

(40:48):
we'll see.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Well, to your point, people have to fill up twenty
four hours of golf news seven days a week. Should
we just let it be what it was, you know,
just give him, give him break. I mean, that's to
your point. He's been great.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
He has been, he has been, and you know, I'm
hoping that he will be great again and that that
this is just something he was going through after the Masters.
And then I do also hope he finds his sort
of motivation again, and I think port Rush will do
that for him, because he has seemed a little bit
flat every time he's played since Augusta. And I get it,

(41:25):
you know, he's he as he says, he climbed his
Mount Everest and he's had to climb back down and
sort of find some new motivation again. And I think
port Rush will do that for him, and you know,
after that, hopefully he's off and running.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
It's always been one of my favorite little stats. Not
terribly well known. You know, every time Phil won the Masters,
he never won the rest of the year. I can
see where you know that it takes a while.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
Yeah, it does still have that one year where you
Funny might win them all after he won the Masters
and then but he didn't. But yeah, no, it is.
You know, the Masters is such a big thing, and
the Postmasters, uh, you know, euphoria lasts. It seems like

(42:16):
longer than other majors too, and and you know they
go they go on talk shows and they do this
whole circuit of stuff and you talk about it and
so you know, you do have to sort of refine
yourself and recalibrate and get going again. But some guys,
some guys have done it really well. And and right
now we're seeing if Rory can can can find that

(42:39):
in himself.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Again moving back to the UK, he and his family
are moving back to the UK. Do you anticipate any
sort of change in his schedule because he's doing that
sort of thing. More dp World Tour, you know events,
fewer PGA Tour events.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
I do think We're going to start to seeing or
I play fewer events down the road, certainly on the
PGA Tour. He skipped three UH signature events this year,
which is rather unusual, you know, considering what's at at
at stake in those events. UH and he said last
year because he played a whole lot last year. UH.

(43:19):
And he's added some new added some new things, and
he added the team event at Zurich and stuff like
that adds up over the course of the year. I
do think we're going to see him start winding down
UH and playing more of a Tiger like schedule that
really picks and chooses where he plays and places he
plays well and places he likes, and see him take
more time off in between the big events.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Do you ever think, like I think that you mentioned
the team event in New Orleans and he teams up
with Shane Lowry and they go play in it and
they win. I always think, oh, geeze, now I got
to come back and defend.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
You know, that was that was Tiger's mentality. He won
that time in Atlanta, and he never went back. And
he's maybe one of the only guys who I know
who's gotten away with not showing up after winning an event.
But yeah, there probably is something to that. But I
do also think that that event. I think he and
Shane have fun together, which is why they didn't have

(44:19):
a problem going back. It's it's different, and in this
in this business where they pray golf week after week
after week, something different is really a benefit to them
over the course of a season.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
We're talking with Scott Mitchell here on the Augusta Golf Show.
Rory said this out loud, and this is something I've
been thinking, something I've been experiencing for more than a year.
Am I alone here? It's getting harder and harder to
get those guys in front of a microphone.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
Yeah, it is, it is, and it's you know, the days,
the days we had with the old guard of Arnie
and Jack and everybody being willing to sit and talk
with us and maybe even go to have dinner or
lunch with it with people are over. I think now
these guys just are so coddled and they're so controlled

(45:14):
by their managers in a lot of ways that will
never have the relationship with players that the media had
back in the day.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
A couple of other topics before I let you go, Okay,
news this week, this new CEO, Brian Rolapp, has been named.
We've learned that Jay Monahan will step aside at the
end of next year. Give me your thoughts on some
of what's going on here.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
It's a good hire because I think it cannot hurt
the PGA Tour to have a guy who is so
well regarded in the biggest professional sports league in the world,
or at least co biggest with the Premier league probably.
This is a guy who is considered the accessor to

(46:02):
the NFL throne and now he's with the PGA Tour
and that relationship between the SSG partnership with all the
money that they invested in the PGA Tour and the
ownerships uh in the NFL that's involved in that, and
with this guy, I think it cannot hurt the PGA
Tour to have a guy with that kind of clout

(46:24):
uh from the NFL on their on their board.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
So what do you what do you what do you
think he does differently? What would you like to see
done differently?

Speaker 5 (46:34):
Well, I would like to see I would like to
see somebody that isn't so entrenched in this PGA four
thinking of no, this is how this is the PGA
Tour way. This is the way we've always done it.
I would like to see a guy that takes new
ideas and say, hey, that's interesting, why don't we explore that?
And I don't think the PGA Tours had that kind
of guy in a long time. I think they really

(46:56):
like doing things their way and they don't think of
new ideas. They haven't They haven't thought of anything really
new for the tour championship. And we've been suggesting all
sorts of ideas for them for years and they just
dismiss it. I think maybe this guy won't dismiss things
like that. The NFL has been very good about exploring
new ways of delivering their product. They've turned their draft

(47:19):
into a super Bowl for goodness sake. I mean, the
PGA Tour has got to think of new things and
new innovations to interest another generation of golf fans.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Do you think the players want that?

Speaker 5 (47:32):
I don't know if the players want it, but I
don't think the players are going to have much choice.
If they keep making the money that they're making, they're
going to have to give in and do things that
maybe are out of their comfort zone.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
When does when do we name Tiger the commissioner.

Speaker 5 (47:50):
I don't know if Tiger wants to be the commissioner.
So I mean, he he's got the as powerful a
role as he wants to have right now, and he
is a very powerful voice in that room. And he's
probably one of the bigger reasons why a deal has
not been done with Live Golf, because when Tiger is

(48:11):
upset about something, he doesn't change his mind very easily.
So maybe this guy can work with Tiger and make
an agreement with Live to sort of bring golf back together.
But I don't think Tiger will ever be the commissioner
where And.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
This I'm really asking you to look into your crystal ball.
I mean, we've got private equity buying portions of NFL teams,
But do we have the PGA Tour owned by private equity?
Where does private equity always wants their money? Where do
you see this going?

Speaker 5 (48:45):
Well, one of the things I think that they want
to try to do is I think the PGA Tour
would like to buy the Ryder Cup because that's a
real money making event and that's the kind of thing
that can make cash for their investors. But I do
think they're going to have to come up with new
ideas and some some global tour ideas will work if they,

(49:05):
you know, partner with UH, with the GP World Tour,
and partner with the Australasian Tour, and partner with things
in some of these big global events that they can
turn into UH sort of cash cows for them. I
think that they just got to figure out new ideas
to bring investment in UH and make and pay off
investment that has come in.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
All right, I'm not going to let let you answer
this question. If the money's right, does the does the
PGA of America want to give up the Rider Cup?

Speaker 5 (49:37):
No, they don't, and and and but you know, like
you said, if the money is right, they might.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
What's that you weren't allowed to answer it that way.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
You know, everything has a price. But I do think
that it's such an important thing for the PGA of
America UH to have that connection with the Ryder Cup.
I mean, it is their most profitable entity, way more
profitable than the PGA Championship or the Women's PGA Championship
or anything else that they do. It's the Ryder Cup.

(50:14):
And so but that's why it's the thing that's probably
the most desirable asset in golf for the PGA Tour
enterprises to go after.

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He Scott Mischaw covers the game for Global Golf Post
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to do this, Scott, I appreciate it.

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It's time for our Why I Love the Game segment.
It's the portion of the show where somebody tells us
why the game of golf is so important and so
meaningful in their life. This morning, he popped up a
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(54:27):
he loves the game of golf.

Speaker 17 (54:30):
It's just something you got so many elements to it
that you could never have it all together at the
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(54:51):
the first term of by fourteen shots, the next one
by nine. But you know, there's all different games to
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(55:13):
every you have to play every position, so it's like
impossible to almost do. So it's always something you can learn,
and it's always something you can work on, and it's
all about yourself, and it's just it's the best game,
and it's a game of showing how good you are
under pressure. The choke factor is the greatest of any game.
You know, be able to handle pressure and handle the

(55:34):
choke factor is what it's all about. Nobody wants to
talk about it, but that's what makes golf so great,
and that's why we admire Tiger woods Man. We didn't
admire them off the course, but we admire a guy
that can make those shots and make those putts when
you need them. That is an amazing ability. And so
that's what turns me on about golf is handling the
pressure and seeing if you can deliver.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Oh Man, he could play the game. World Golf Hall
of Fame member Johnny Miller, and why he loves the
game of golf. If you'd like to comment about anything
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Send me an email. John at Augustagolfshow dot com. John

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at Augustagolfshow dot com. I can tell you this, when
Peter Kessler's on the program, I usually hear from some
of you. So again it's John at Augustagolfshow dot com.
That's the show for this morning. I do want to
thank my guests, Peter Kessler, Josh Gregory and Scottmoshow. Thank

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you for listening. I ask it w every weekend. Please
make sure the other members of your foursome know about
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stream at home. Wallace and Sun Lawn Garden Show is
coming up next, Aaron and the C and C Automotive Show.
After that this morning, Mary, Liz ab Abriy and I
will be back Monday morning at five point thirty. Have
a great weekend. Thank you again for listening to The
Augusta Golf Show with John Patrick. Please stay well and

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please stay safe. I'll see you next time. So long, Bylo.

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