Keith Leon S. on Miracles, Healing, and Guardian Angels

Air Date - 20 September 2024

Join Host Sharon Sayler for a deep dive into Keith Leon S’ fascinating survivor-to-thriver story, including his experiences growing up with a manic-depressive mother, his life-changing encounters with angels, and the wisdom behind his book, ‘Walking With My Angels: A True Story.’

Discover Keith’s unique tips on manifesting dreams, writing with a purpose, and achieving healing from chronic pain. Plus, learn about his new film, ‘The Inside Effects: How the Body Heals Itself.’ Don’t miss this uplifting and life-changing discussion! And uncover with us

• Manifesting and Gratitude Practices

• The Importance of Sharing Your Story

• Embracing Pain for Healing

• The Power of ‘Right’ Asking

• Crafting Your Own Story

Plus much more…

More About Our Guest: Keith Leon S. is a 9 x Award-Winning 11 x International Bestselling Author, owner of a successful publishing company, and 7 x Award-Winning filmmaker. Keith has appeared on many popular radio and television broadcasts on ABC, CBS, NBC, and The Jenny McCarthy Show, to name just a few. His work has been covered by Inc. Magazine, LA Weekly, The Huffington Post, Published Magazine, and Succeed Magazine.

Keith has a compelling and inspirational story about growing up with a manic, depressed mother and no father; he barely graduated high school… and he’s even had encounters with angels. His book, ‘Walking With My Angels: A True Story’ (with a foreword by Chicken Soup for the Soul’s Jack Canfield), was an international bestseller and shares his life story, which was and is filled with angelic encounters.

* Please note: The information presented in this show is not meant to diagnose, prevent, or treat autoimmune diseases or any other illnesses or disorders. It is essential to consult with a physician or other trained medical and healthcare professionals for personalized advice. The content provided on UnderstandingAutoimmune.com, Life Interrupted Radio.com, and The Autoimmune Hour is purely for educational purposes and reflects opinions only. We aim to offer various choices and perspectives to help you embark on a journey towards better health. We encourage you to take charge of your health and seek appropriate, personalized, professional advice.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Manifesting layers sleep and answer what do you mean? What
are you talking about? And he taught me this process
that before I go to bed and I get it
to ask the questions. I could say, Angels, God, spirit
verse hearing my voice that has my best interest in
mind right clarity. I would love it if you gave
me the answer to this question and give it to

(00:25):
me in the form of a dream.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
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Speaker 3 (01:22):
Welcome everyone to the Autoimmune Hour. I'm Sharon Sailor from
Sharonsailor dot com and as always, from Understanding Autoimmune dot com.
And it's a pleasure to be with you here on
another brand new episode. Believe it or not, we're closing
in on five hundred episodes and we're in our deck
our first decade. We're in our tenth year here, so
I'm very excited about that, and I'm also excited about

(01:44):
our guest tonight. It's what I call our courage Club conversations.
It's a survivor to Thriver's story that is absolutely fascinating,
so I want to share it with you. And yes,
I'm going to zoom in my eyesight a little bit
here to I can read his amazing boy So I
apologize if I get too close to the screen here,
but you guys just know, let's run with it. And

(02:06):
tonight we're welcoming Keith Leon s And he is a
nine time award winning, eleven time international best selling author,
and he owns a successful publishing company. And he is
also a seven time award winning filmmaker. I know, pretty impressive, right.
He has appeared on many popular radio and television broadcasts

(02:26):
on ABC, CBS, NBC, just to name a few. And
his work has been covered by INC Magazine, La Weekly,
the Huffington Post published magazine, and Succeed magazine. And he
has a really compelling and inspirational story that we're going
to talk to him about. And he's even had encounters
with angels, so we're coming to ask about that too.

(02:49):
His book is entitled Walking with My Angels, a True
Story and it's cut the forward by the Chicken Soup
soul guy Jack Canfield, so we'll talk about that too.
And I've always wondered about angels. So lots to talk about.
Welcome to the Showkeep thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's a pleasure to be here.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
What an amazing, amazing bio I like to talk about
first is we'll talk about maybe the messy part that
survivor part of your story. You have had quite a
history quite childhood that led you to be where you
are today, which is amazing to me.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Given what I.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Read in your book, Which parts do you want me
to share? Angel stuff or business stuff?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I'd like to share a little bit about growing up
with a manic depressive mom and a dad who wasn't there. Gosh,
talk about having some of the things stacked against you
before you even start to become an award winning author, publisher,
and filmmaker.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. My mom barely got out of
the bed unless she was manic, and I looked forward
to the manic times because it'd be like, let's go
throw me in the car, we'd go go on adventures.
But those times were so far in view in between.
So basically I was raised by my grandmother and my sister,

(04:08):
and my poor sister, she was just trying to be
a teenager and then she had this little brother tagging along,
and she did the best she could, but she was
trying to have a good time. So that's why I
feel like my guardian angel stepped up and started talking
to me and identified it so as such and kept
me out of harm's way, because there's a lot of

(04:29):
times I would have ended up in deep trouble had
I not had that voice guiding me. And the voice
was outside of me, which I think it was brilliant
and constantly moving around, and I think that was so
that I wouldn't think that it was an imaginary friend.
When my mother and her friends were accusing me of that.
If it had been in my head up, maybe I

(04:50):
would have bought into that story. But because the voice
was constantly moving and giving me advice, that kept me
from getting hurt many times. After a while, even my
mom starts saying, hey, what does your guardian angel thinking
about this? Because she saw so much evidence over and
over again. Wow, Now did.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I identify itself as a guardian angel? Or I can't
imagine when I'm just all of a sudden to start
hearing something.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, I'm like, who is that? What is that?

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Where's that coming from?

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Really? Young? I'm your guardian angel? Everybody has one. And
one of the things he shared me with me is
that guardian angels basically have two jobs. Love us unconditionally
and get us to our predetermined expiration date and really
know what that meant till later and anytime. Usually anything

(05:44):
other than that we have to ask them because that's
the only two jobs that they do, because we have
free will. But I was just like getting crisis right.
MoMA didn't get out of bed, no father, teenager trying
to raise me, and so I felt like he needed
to step in and intervene, and especially in certain times

(06:04):
of danger to keep me from being taken literally.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Now, I've always joked I have a small army of
guardian angels.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yeah I do know.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
I do feel like there's a couple that are the lead.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
But yeah, yeah, I have a funny story about that too.
There was a really well known angel person you might know,
and she had a crowd of people around here and
I was at this one event and she looks over
and she's staying there, and I was like, okay, and
so I kept talking to my friends and she finished
talking to the people she was talking to, and then
she came over and she goes, do you believe in angels?

(06:41):
And I go, oh, you mean my posse? And she
was like, oh thank you, Oh my god. She said,
I'm like, literally, never seen so many angels with one person,
so I wanted to make sure you at least believed
in them.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Oh my gosh, I like you call them the posse.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Now I have this strange habit. Now I've never seen them.
It's not mine nor yours.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
So I don't have that gift.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
But I do have this strange habit when what I'll
call serendipity happens or near, missus, happen, whatever you want
to call them, that's a variety of things.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
I always like to thank them, and I.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Thank them out loud, and my friends sometimes roll their
eyes like, oh, Sharon, there she goes again.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
But I feel better. I've never heard from my angels
whether that.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Is helpful, But what are your thoughts on it? Just
saying thank you when things roll your way or you
feel like, boy, I dodged that one.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Oh. I'm thanking them all the time, and even pre
thanking them sometimes because like I did a book project
called who Do You Think You Are? And I was
really manifesting amazing things all day long. And then I
met this guy named John Keho wrote a book called
Mine Power into the twenty first Century. And he was like, Oh,

(08:04):
that's amazing that you're doing that while you're awake. Are
you manifesting while you're asleep? And asked, what do you mean?
What are you talking about? And he taught me this
process that before I go to bed, I could ask
a question so I could say, Angels, God spirit remembers
hearing my voice, that has my best interest in mind,
right clarity, I would love it if you gave me

(08:25):
the answer to this question and give it to me
in the form of a dream, and then I ask
a question, and then I say thank you, thank you,
thank you, thank you in advance for the answer to
my question, and then I'll ask the question. Then I
will say, I'll remember my dreams. I'll remember my dreams,
my dreams, my dreams until I fall asleep at least

(08:45):
fifty times because I wasn't really remembering my names. Put
me into that process. So that process alone kind of
brought it to the forefront. Like you said, for me
to just any time any that I feel like I
had that guy that just to say thank you, thank
you would be greatful. And I certainly believe that the

(09:05):
more that we are grateful for and put words on,
the more we have to be grateful be attracting.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Oh absolutely, And I'm glad you answered my question before
I asked it, and that was like, I'm not sure
I would remember. I was thinking, I always keep a
piece of a note pad and pencil by my bed
because a lot of things happen.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
In the night that I wake up, and I, okay, don't.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Get distracted, go use the restauran right away. Write it down,
because if you think you're going to use the rest
of me and remember it by the time you get back.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
At least for me, that's not happening.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
It's gone. Yeah. There's another that he suggested to keep,
keep a note pad right by the bed and just
write it as soon as you wake up, right down,
whatever you got, it's gone fast. And I know a
really well known filmmaker, an author, and that's his process, you.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Know, Pinky shaneil and the Rainbow Hunters, the children's book
I wrote for my granddaughter. It became very popular beyond
my granddaughter. Came to me in a dream. I guess
it's a dream. I'm not sure what. It came to
me as a tale in my head in the middle
of the night. I guess that's how i'd say it.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
It was very strange.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
I woke up at two am in the morning and
there the whole story was in my head. It had
been playing out in a dream, and I immediately wrote
it down. Okay, was this just something I read right
before bed, or that somehow entered my subconscious without me
being consciously aware of it. But no, the story was real,
and that they wanted to be delivered for a little

(10:35):
story for my granddaughter, and I thought that was so
interesting because it was so vivid. Yet wanted to point
out what was fascinating to me. The story that I
wrote the moments after was only the beginning of the book,
because then it took me another five years to learn
how to write a children's story. So let's talk about

(10:55):
sometimes the beginning of the adventure, not the final inclusion.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, the kickoff point, the idea, And I would call
that a vision rather than a dream. Dreams are the
things that are so weird that I can't make sense
out of them. And then I go to my wife
and she's a dream interpreter, so she can make sense
out of it for me. But visions come to me
like in full, in its full entirety, Like one time

(11:23):
I dreamed a whole movie right from beginning. Tod and
I got up and I wrote the whole thing down.
I was like, that feels more like a vision. So
that's a differentiateation that I make. But it doesn't. It's
all someome antis doesn't.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Actually, it's very helpful to understand the difference between a
vision and a dream. And I even just the word
nerd in me is like a dream is something that's
in the future for me. When I wrote Pinky Shiniel,
it was there.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
The story was there.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Right, Although, as I said, having a story in your
head full I'm beginning to end and then actually condensing
it down to a very few number of words in
a thirty two pages with the illustrations took five years.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
So yeah. Yeah. So it's like you got the beginning
of the journey and then you're following your guidance the
rest of the way.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yes, I was tasked with bringing it to fruition, and
then that I find fascinating too, was I wasn't sure
what kept propelling me to do it. Because you know,
you're an author as well as a publisher of other
people's books and a filmmaker. It's not easy to keep
those visions moving forward. Do you have tips for people
to keep those visions moving forward?

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yes, I do. I always encourage people to start off
with what I call the roadmap. Some people would call
it the contents page, but I call it a roadmap
where I say, start with the blank page and say
what is this book to be? And then I do
what you do did and let it stream through and
keep writing things on that one page until I look

(13:01):
at the page and say, Okay, that looks good. That's
this book, and then I just trust that whatever came
through while I did that process is what the book
is to be. Anything else that comes after that it's
called book number two because if you keep adding to
the roadmap, then you'll be writing forever.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
I'm glad you bring that up, because what happened to
me when I wrote my nonfiction book was just that thing.
The minute you send it off to the publisher, okay,
deadlines here, whatever, I gotta send it off, it goes
and then you meet someone and you're talking and you're like, oh,
I wish I could add that to another paragraph to

(13:41):
chapter eight.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah. Then once you've completed that process, Now that you
did that process up front, that's why I call it
the roadmap. Now you know where the book is going
to end and where it begins. Now you can free
form write any chapter. You don't have to start and
do it chronologically, especially if it's like a self help book.

(14:05):
What if in chapter one you were writing chronologically and
then all of a sudden there was something really heavy,
You're going to have to look at it, stare down
and face one more time. And it would just feel
so heavy that you say, no, I'm not going to
do that, and you push it away and you stop.
That happens to a lot of people. So I suggest
once you have that done, then you look at the
page and you look at the chapters and you say

(14:28):
which chapter wants to be written first, and it'll jump
out me because it feels like the easiest one, one
you've written a million times in your head before. It's
just easy. That's where you start write that chapter, and
then complete a chapter before you move on to the next.
Because subconscious mind doesn't like undones right, it'll take you
out and show up as what they call writer's block.

(14:51):
One chapter at a time, but you can write it
in any order and it'll completely make sense because you
know where it's going to start, where it's going to end.
So it's one chapter at a time, always the one
that feels the easiest. At some point you'll go I
think I'm ready to get that one chapter. Then you'll
be prepared for the heavy one. And then I suggest
reform writing the whole first draft, like no going back,

(15:16):
no editing as you go. If you have to stop
and then you come back, go back one paragraph and
read just to find out where you are. And it
doesn't matter if you repeat yourself in a first draft.
A good editor will discern whether I'm glad you said
that again, because you know men are going to read
this and they need to hear things two or three
times before it lands. Or you've repeated this three times,

(15:39):
maybe we should pull it out. But that's for the
editor to decide. It's for us to just dump data,
dump the thing out in its purest form, because that's
the purest energy. The first draft is us pulling it
through and putting it on the paper, and everything after
that is now the thinking mind. Right, the first one

(15:59):
was the knowing mind. I know what to write and
I'm writing it now, and then anything after that is
the overthinker, the editor that comes in and tries to
perfectionize things and sucks the soul right out of your book.
So freeform, write the first pass, and then for my
authors that I work with from the beginning, then you
get one time to go through it to the top,

(16:21):
read it through once, and you'll only pull something out
if a it makes you want to vomit. You're just like,
it's so bad, it's embarrassing. I need to rewrite that
paragraph or I think that was for me, and I'm
not sure that was for them. I think it was
for me to write that one more time that it
doesn't need to be in the book, and then you

(16:42):
can pull it out. The beautiful thing about that is
because everything is energy, right. This is part of the
teachings that I teach. Even if you pull the words
out of that particular vulnerable story, the essence of what
you had written will still be in the book. A
lot of my authors are like top thousands of people
how to write books. I thought it was cuckoo on

(17:03):
that one, but they've had people come up and say,
I loved in the book when you talked about this,
and they know they literally pulled that out and they
go and recheck and it's not in the book. But
it's Everything is energy. So that's why I say, reform
right the first pass. That's the purest energy, and then
be your best to keep other people from coming in

(17:24):
and inserting their perfect words over your words and perfectionize something.
Because there are two different types of books. The kind
that I can put down and go to an appointment,
maybe forget about it for a week, and come back
to it. That book has been edited by seven different people,
and it's a perfect book of words. You won't find

(17:45):
a comment out of place, but it's just that it's
a perfect book of words. Then there's the second book.
I can't put it down. I'm up all night with
the flashlight underneath the blanket and trying not to keep
my wife up because I can't put it down. That
is one and where the soul of the author is
still in the book. The author or publisher didn't let

(18:06):
editors come in and edit the author's voice, edit the
soul right out of them.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Oh, I'm so glad you've mentioned that.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
I've worked with editors over time, and luckily I've been
able to put my foot down with most of them
and find a different editor. But using words that really
should be this word. One of the words was Therefore,
I am sorry, Keith, but no one will ever hear
that word come out of my mouth.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
I don't say it.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Yeah, And I'm also.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Thinking, I do trainings and I do public speaking, and
I want someone who has read the book to go, Oh,
that's what I thought she would sound like her, That's
what I thought she would be.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
You want things to match yeah, exactly. That's why we
created a program called the Youth Speak It Book Program.
It's typically speakers and the people that are in service
to others so much that they never write their book
if they can talk about it all day long, right,
And so we have them come and in seven phone
calls we get them to speak the book. And a
lot of times people would come back and they'd be like,

(19:11):
this just sounds like I'm talking. I thought you were
going to edit it, and we're like, all the commas
are in the right place, it is edited well, but
we kept your voice because we wanted that when people
see you speak and they've read your book, they're like, finally,
these two things match, because how many times have you
read a book and then you go see the person
speak and you're like, oh, I had to be a

(19:32):
ghost writer because it's not even the same. And in
Walking with My Angels, the editor came and said, if
you had more than three description words in your whole repertoire,
might you use this word or this word instead? And
for the most part I was like no. Then there

(19:53):
was one word where I was like I love that
I haven't used it occasionally, and now I do want
to I brought it in. I brought it into my
speaking because I loved it. Yeah, I forget what it was,
but it was a great word, and I was just like, oh,
I used to say that, and I had gotten so
it's like pull it out of the ethers. For the
most part, I was like, nope, past, it's okay. I

(20:14):
can say beautiful, it's still beautiful. And I have to
find seventy two different words for beautiful that I don't
even use in my everyday leveage.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
I think that's important to have your own voice when
especially when it's your own story, whether fiction or nonfiction,
it's all.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Your own story.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
And I love those I can relate to the times
where I've been so engrossed in a book that you
read a cover to cover regardless of the number of
pages at every waking second, including eating reading. I've had
those books, and it's that's the true experience to me
that I miss. Oddly, it's going to show my age here, guys.
I like paper books. There's something about turning the page

(20:58):
and I don't know, there's just some kinesthetic part of
me that it really enjoys reading from an old fashioned
paper book.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Versus the screen I'm dating myself.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Keep and the smell when you open it up so beautiful. Yeah,
I'm a book guy, so I know how you feel.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
I hope we never lose that.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
I think that's important. I'm all for being able to
on the go. I do have those books that you
can listen to. I get all that my podcast too.
Obviously you're listening to it things like that.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
I enjoy that part of technology. But for me, if
I really just have some quiet time and a hammock,
a good old paper book for me. Now, as people
begin to I can be quite frightening to share our story.
Both you and I are pretty open about our stories
and what brought us here and the learnings that we've
gotten through our lives, and I love to share those learnings.

(21:57):
What kind of encouragement can you give to our communities?
So many people are also survivor to thrivers' stories, yet
are a little hesitant to share their story or feel
like wasn't just who would be interested in my story?

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Who would be interested in your story? Are the people
who are experiencing exactly. They're your perfect target market if
you will, and the way that you will share the
experience that we went through, only you can share it
that way. I like to remind people when they're writing

(22:33):
their first book. I think we all go through that,
like why me? Who cares? Who's going to read this?
This has already been said. All of my mentors, Jack Canfield,
Bob Proctor and the Martini and doctor John Gray that
wrote Metaform, Mars wall Min from Venus, we all have
the same exact thought on our first book. I checked

(22:55):
with all the bigs, everybody, Marcy Scheimoff, it goes on
and on. We all had that thought, like who cares?
Who's to want to hear this story? That's what John
de Martini taught me is the lie. The lie is
nobody will care, nobody needs to hear this and all
of that stuff. Why is who will you sharing your

(23:16):
story with? Like? Who will be blessed? Who will be saved?
Who will experience a really incredible healing because of what
you said? Right? And that's what we call your why.
Why I'm writing this book is for those people. So
as I'm writing the talk, as I'm writing the book,

(23:36):
as I'm writing anything, and I have that thought come
in the little liar. I call it that voice, because
it never tells you the truth only lies. So anytime
that voice comes in, I close my eyes and I
put in front of me, I imagine, or if you don't,
if you don't see actual shapes when you close your eyes,
then imagine or create in your or thoughts that person

(24:02):
standing in front of you saying thank you, thank you,
thank you for sharing this, thank you for taking time
to write this talk of this book, because here's what
it did for me. Right, And when your why becomes
bigger than the lie, then you've achieved a mask. Then
that book's going to be brilliant. So anytime you have

(24:24):
that thought, just take it out, get rid of it,
and keep writing. And you can keep that voice, the
inner critic, the little liar, out of your book, out
of your talk, out of your whatever you're doing, it's
going to be masterful. And then once you complete that,
then God, Spirit, Universe, angels, whatever you like to call it.

(24:47):
I like to say, it doesn't care what you call it,
as long as you call it right. That inner guidance
what it takes over. So once you've completed that book
and it's an editing, now go, God Spirit Universe is
working it out. So that whoever's supposed to get them
in their hands or hear that talk, hear the show,
it will land in their hand or their ears in

(25:10):
the perfect time. And it's bigger than us. Ours is
to get the call to do the thing. Face all
the fears and the voice and everything along the way,
do it anyway, get it done, hand it off, and
then the universe takes over. And the day that that happens,
what I just shared with you, one one person is

(25:31):
standing in front of you with tears coming down their
face saying thank you, thank you for reading this book.
Here's what happened for me. Here's how it's saving life.
Here on that day, you don't care if you sold
one company or one hundred thousand copies, because it'll be
worth everything you faced along the way will be worth it.
That I'm in that moment and.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
If we're talking about we're talking about writing here, writing
our own story. But I have to share the same
as for my podcast too. Yes I am a published author.
Yeah I feel that way about my podcast too, So
I want to share. However you choose to share your story,
and who knows, maybe enough podcast you get them transcribed

(26:10):
and you've got your book. Who knows that's always a possibility.
I've had people tell me how did you start, how'd
you start.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Writing your stories? I wrote blog posts first. Yeah, dip your.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Toe in, although I'm a little more jump into the
deep end because you're more likely to commit to it.
But if you're a dip your toe in and it
works for you, go for it right.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
As far as the survival story, I wrote in my
book Walking with My Angels, at the time it was
like I should have died eight times already and wrote
about some of those in the book. And then after
the book I went out on the road and then
halfway through the tour it was like it's nine times
now because I had another one during the tour and

(26:54):
some near death experiences. Those types of experiences I've had
so many. But the most profound was I had gotten
a bunch of car accidents and then ultimately I had
this big screen TV the old kind of used to
be in a giant wooden cabinet. All of that come
crashing down on my shoulder and I had to haul
it in C six C seven vertebrae in my neck.

(27:17):
That was just debilitating. And so even though I went
through therapy. I went to charapractors that did everything that
seemingly the polop went back in and everything was fine.
But from that moment on, I had this chronic pain
that I had that nobody could diagnose for so many years.

(27:43):
But it was so intense that I could barely get
through a work day. By five o'clock, I was like
almost completely black out from pain. It was like this
tunnel would come in and just like to hear it
that was the lid, and do a lay down. And
that went on for twenty five six years. Level nine,
Level ten. The only diagnosis anybody ever came up with.

(28:05):
I don't even believe in these, but but the only
thing they could come up with was fiber nousiaet right.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
That doesn't sound like anything like fibro milegia, but go ahead.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
That's what I get. I get so angry with people.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Let's let's just throw out a word and hope they
don't know what the word means.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
I made a whole movie about that.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
But yes you did, Yes you did.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Diagnosis is just we have to find a word for something.
That's the definition of diagnoses. I think I'm got to
find a word for this. But so yeah. Then ultimately
I ended up two friends of mine were like, what
have you tried? I went through the laundry list everything
I had tried except for surgery, and my dad had
told me years ago, don't do that. So I was

(28:44):
not doing that. And I met with them twice and
one was like an energy healer, and then the other
one was she taps in and she knew about this
thing called German new medicine or Germanic healing, so she
just shared with me the second one and Lisa shared
with me some things that completely reframed everything that I

(29:06):
knew about pain, sickness and health and especially pain, and
everything that I thought about pain was is the complete opposite. Right,
Pain equals healing, is what she taught me. So anytime
I was trying to stop the pain, I was stopping
the healing in its tracks, and so I needed to
embrace and allow the healing and matter of fact, thank it,

(29:28):
thank you, thank you pain, thank you, thank you for
my healing, thank you for my healing. I tell my wife,
I'm really healing today. If I had one of those
like level nine, level ten, what I used to call
pain days, I'm really healing today. And I did that
for a couple of months, and that was all I did.
It was just thank you, embrace it, knowing that it
was going to go away and trust that. And a

(29:50):
couple of months went by, Pain left called Lisa, Oh
my god, oh my she said, oh, remember the second wave.
I just want to remind you there's a second wave.
But it's only sixty seventy. So it came back a
little bit. I did the same exact thing, got through
the second wave. Paine left me, never came back after
twenty five twenty six years, just gone. And so that

(30:11):
was one of the things when I was like, I
was supposed to be making films in my fifties, that
was always the plan. It was bestselling author, speaker, and
then it was filmmaker. What am I going to make
a film about? And when I thought about what should
I make a film about? That was it like the
body's ability to heal it so and to have all
different people from all different angles come together and talk

(30:37):
on that subject, everything from scientists right like scientists to mds,
todos to miracle healers, like everybody come together and weigh
in on that subject. So that's the inside effects. How
the body heals itself fantastic.

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Welcome back everyone to the Autoimmune Hour.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
I'm here with Keith Leon s and he is an
amazing author, publisher, and film I guess director and producer right.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Now.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
First off, before we took that quick commercial break, you
mentioned that you always knew you wanted to be a filmmaker.
I want to dive into that a little bit because
that's amazing to me. I'm still trying to figure out
what I want to do when I grow up. But
then we'll talk about the inside effect. So how did
you know that you wanted to be like an author
and a filmmaker.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
That was one of the things that my mom did
get out of bed for when I was a little
We were poor. We didn't have a a lot of money,
so she would she would get enough money for us
to go see a movie. And then we live by
this theater that had twelve movies playing at a time,
and she got she talked up and chatted up the

(33:57):
manager of the place, and so we were on weekends
and we'd pay once to get in, and that manager
had let everybody know that we could hop from movie
to movie, so we would get up, go to the
first matinee showing and stay into the night, watching the
movie after movie, and seeing so many films. When I

(34:17):
was young, it just there was this infatuation of like
how it's all put together and how it's created, and
how moods are created, and how they have me crying
sometimes and laughing others and all of that. And even
this was in the seventies, so we didn't have any
of the glitz that we have now, the ability to
do things with AI and computer generated stuff, so it

(34:39):
was a lot of having to create things for real,
with makeup and all of that. So it was just
a fascination that I had, and I just got clear
at one point, you're going to do this when you're older,
And remember, so I'm also talking to my guardian angels
by then, so it's like confirmation, yes you will. So
I was like cool. So as I got older, I

(35:01):
started playing guitar and writing songs and singing. I got
really good at that, and so in a vision I
got clear as a teenager that twenties and thirties is
going to be a rock star. Forties I was going
to be a best selling author and a speaker, and
then fifties I was going to be a filmmaker. And
that was my life plan that downloaded through me, and

(35:22):
so this is the plan, this is what I'm doing,
and so everything that I did from that moment on
was going to be in alignment with that plan. As
someone who didn't come from money, so didn't have the
availability to go to USC college that I wanted to
and go to film school. So now how am I
going to pivot and do that on my own and

(35:42):
create that on my own? So I'm not being able
to financially swing A lot of things taught me to
be very creative and taught me to ask for what
I wanted from people who are really well known, and
a lot of times the way that I showed up,
I asked they were so blown away by it that

(36:03):
they said yes, And ultimately that's I ended up. My
whole career is based on that right asking what I
call right asking. There's a way to ask where you
get a note. There's a way to ask where you
get a yes. The way to ask to get a
yes is you make it so stupid easy for people
to do what you're asking that they are like, how

(36:24):
could I not say yes to this? I had. The
way to not ask is the way that I asked
at the beginning was from a needy place, like I
felt like I needed them to make the project good,
or I needed them for my next step. I needed
them to teach me how to be rich, or I
need it, and that that needy energy is something that
repels anybody. It's just they want They're like, how quickly

(36:48):
can I get away from this guy? So that's what
was so beautiful about the who do you Think You are?
Discover the Books of Your Life book project that I
did tend people from moved the secret and most people
would know it. Almost every person in that book. The
way I got them to say yes was the polar
opposite of the way I had asked. Some of them
before in the past. So I remember Bob Proctor's saying,

(37:11):
I told him at one point, hey, remember when you
were at this one event and I asked you this
thing and you were just like repelled and it just
couldn't get away from me quick enough. And he said, yeah,
I remember that guy. And then I said, I'm that
guy and he's no, and I was like yeah, and
he's I wouldn't even know, Like we could have went
our whole relationship and I would have never known that
guy was you because that guy was looked different, acted different,

(37:36):
was in a needy place, was just all the things
that are like nah. And then this guy, the guy
who asked me to be in this this book and
you're in your power and your strength now, and oh
my gosh, I would have never known that they were
the same guys.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
So many questions there, Keith, Wow, there's gonna be a
whole other interview. I know that when I got my
diagnosis and I knew that there was something definitely wrong
with me, I definitely was in a very needy place,
a needy state of mind. It was definitely coming from
there and even took me a while to move past it.

(38:11):
I think from a lots of my own childhood and
what I call him a popularity responder, meaning that if
someone says you can't do it, I'll say, I'll show you.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
That helped me.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
But what tips do you have for someone who like
But Keith, I don't have any money, Keith, I don't
have any experience. I don't know people who could guide
me on this path. How did you make that switch
from that sort of, as you called it, needy place
to this very yes place.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah. First of all, go to Google and type in
Keith Leon or Keith Leon s and look at any
of the videos that are talking about books, the book guy,
any of those. I talked about it over and over again.
So it's yeah, I learned like what I said right
asking So if I feel like there's somebody that's well

(39:06):
known that I would love to partner with on some
I will ask myself what is the easiest way? So
like when I did the who do You Think You Are?
A book? All I was asking for was ten minutes,
three questions. Recording their questions, we'd be in and out.
I wasn't going to tell them how much I love
them or how much I want to be them or

(39:27):
any of that stuff. I was like, three questions, ten
minutes in and out. That is my promise, and then
I sent it in email form. And then for a
lot of people, they were like speakers, so they had
an office, so then I would call and leave a
message for their assistant, and so email and a call

(39:47):
would come in, and then I would did what Jack
Canfield taught me was the power of seven. People need
to hear from us seven times before they know that
we've been trying to contact them. So every other day
I would send the email saying rescending the third day,
resending the fifth day, resending the seventh day, and a
phone call, and as soon as I would get to
seven or eight, then I'd hear from the assistant. Oh,

(40:10):
I'm so sorry it's taking me to get back to you.
How can it help you? Oh? Can you open up
the email As you can see, all I'm asking for
is ten minutes, three questions in and out. That's it.
They're like, Okay, let me make that happen. Because a
I didn't give up. Most people will go That's why
they ignore the first email or two, because one hundred

(40:32):
people will just go away and they'll never have to
hear the phone without having to do anything with someone
who's persistent.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Actually, that's pleasantly persistent.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah. Yeah. I asked all of those assistants like when
do you become a pain in the heinie? And they said,
if I would have said no and then you will
keep coming, then I'd be upset. But if they said,
but it's just called great follow up. As a matter
of fact, if it wasn't for your great follow up,
this never would have happened because it was a deficit.
Like now, they had teled me so many times that

(41:02):
they had to do something for me, and then and
then I kept I made good on that promise. When
they showed up to do the interview, I said, oh,
thank you so much for having me take it book together.
Enter are you ready? Yes? And then I asked them
the three questions and I said, okay, thank you so much.
We'll be back to you with the first draft and
the rush energy. And then they would say, way, tell

(41:24):
me more about the book, tell me more about you.
Now I had delivered what I said, But now we're
on their time. And I was on some of them
for a long time, and some of those people are
to my do this day. Are my mentors and that
was two thousand and are still my mentors and visits.
So it's right asking what how can I make it

(41:46):
so easy for them to say yes? But they will
endorsement for the book I want an endorsement? Right? If
I say, hey, will you give me an endorsement? The
answer is no every time because they don't have time
and they like they have to read the whole book
and all of that. There's a way to ask for
endorsement that's been in the happening forever. And sorry if

(42:07):
this bums some people out, but you when you ask
for an endorsement, you ask within the space of having
to scroll down in an email. And then you say,
I've written a book called It's About This, I would
love an endorsement. I have attached a short excerpt of

(42:28):
my book one chapter, maybe an introduction, one chapter short excerpt,
keyword short, and three endorsement quotes for you to either
choose one as is, change one a little bit, or
write one of your own. Thank you in advance for
saying yes to this request, sign off, and then underneath

(42:50):
that suggested endorsement quotes, we pre written endorsement quotes. One sentence,
the longest is a good endorsement quote, and how create
can you be in a one sentence anywhere odds are
one of those three is exactly what they have said,
even if they wrote it themselves. So now they're like,
all I have to do is open this up, scan it,
find out what the book is about, get a sense

(43:12):
of the writing style, and if I like it, and
then I can point to an endorsement thought if I
want and say that one talk about making it easy,
and that is how they've been asked by people in
the business for so many years. That's how they're used
to getting me, they ask, So it doesn't if it
doesn't come once like that, they're thinking, oh, had so

(43:32):
apply that to anything in your business, anything in your life,
anything that you want to ask anyone that feels like
it's a big ask for a loan from a family member,
like any apply it to anything right asking how can
I ask this question in a way that makes it
easy for the other person to say yes? And that

(43:54):
has completely changed my life, my business, and so many
people who have mentored who actually do it.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Oh, absolutely, because one thing that comes to mind. I
get a lot of emails for people to be guessed
on my show, and sometimes when they're written in such
a way where you're like, oh my gosh, this sounds
like work, that sounds like I'll be pulling teeth.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
I have to say I I am nodding my head
along with what you're saying, because I familiar with some
of those parts of the industry as well. But I
do get a lot of emails, and it's not that
I have a bad intention with it, but the ones
that sound like a lot of work go to the
bottom of the pile because I'd rather knock out ten

(44:37):
right away, and I best of intentions, the bottom of
the list tends to say the bottom.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Of the list.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, it's not ill intention,
it's just oh, I'll do that later, and then later
it doesn't come because there's always the easy ones are
always fun, so you never have the thought, oh, let
me go sift through the hard ones, right. Unconscious mind
won't do that. It just doesn't do that. It's just
like always looking for the simplest way to do it.

(45:06):
And so that's why if you ask from that place,
then subconscious mind goes, oh, that's easy, Yes.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
And since we're talking about the subconscious mind and the
unconscious mind and we're just down to our last seven
or so minutes, I want to talk about the inside effects,
how the body heals itself. It's an amazing movie. I
think it was about ninety minutes long, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
And so this is a compliment and I say this
about certain books and certain movies. It was an easy watch.
I was fascinated the whole time, and I felt like
the ninety three minutes went by very fast because I
was so fascinated by it. So let's talk about what
are some surprises and things that you learned from the

(45:49):
people you interviewed in the.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Movie Prizes where there were some things about health and
that I had never heard of. And we, like we
as book publishers, the first fifty books we published for
functional medical practitioners doctors of all sorts, so I thought
I had already heard of everything. There are a couple

(46:11):
of things that came up during the interviews people that
are cutting edge, not as traditional as we're used to.
So I would say those things that came out of
left field, like I was like, wait, what did you
just And we won't just because keyword search. I won't
use a couple of those words here so that you
don't get blocked. But there are definitely some new things

(46:34):
that you may not have ever heard of in the film.
And I think the reason that it was an easy watch,
even though it had some cutting edge things, is because
each of these people that asked to be in the film,
some of them are pretty radical out there in the world,
and if you listen to their stuff, it's it's.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Definitely the movie you watch with a very open mind,
going yeah, maybe.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Yeah, possibly yeah. And some of those people out there
are very right. But my intention was that we all
stayed neutral, and so it all started with me. So
before every interview, I would go within and I would say,
do what I call the best possible outcome it. Let
us be neutral, let us come from a loving place,

(47:18):
let us just be sharing information. And so I created that,
and then people would show up and be meditating, and
it's every one of them, no matter how radical they
are outside of the world, met me in that space,
and so for me, it's some of the content that's
being delivered but from such a neutral place was mind

(47:38):
blowing to me and so many people who watched it
was very neutral.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
I love that you have that ability to come from neutral.
I was taught that by a mentor probably twenty five
plus years ago, and it radically changed my life, the
understanding and that I can choose to be neutral. And
he always would say, the ability to hold more than
one opinion in your hat at the same time is

(48:05):
an absolutely delicious skill because then you have this place
where you can be neutral because not arguing with yourself
over these ideas, just holding them. You just tell me,
that's not about judging these ideas, it's just holding these
ideas in your head at the same time. And that
was so helpful as I went on my healing journey

(48:27):
after my diagnosis and listening to what we'll call traditional
Western medicine, and then through the podcast and other venues,
getting exposed to Eastern philosophies, other types of cultural philosophies,
all sorts of things, and a lot of them that
I've done shows on have been like, at the beginning

(48:49):
of the interview, isn't that interesting? Is my neutral place
that I have to.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Hold it in?

Speaker 3 (48:54):
But I've always been fascinated like how often we're all
coming to the same place, and that is understanding who
we are, how we work, and how our past can
influence our future unless we take hold of it and
make changes.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Yeah. I just I like to say there's no right
or wrong, only different. That's my statement that brings me.
I feel like anything that's the opposite of neutral is
I call the the need to be right. The need
to be right and right can't be proven in my opinion.
It is an opinion, and everybody's entitled their opinion, so

(49:34):
I can say, wow, I'm not sure I agree with that.
Can I share with you mine what I believe? And
when I say that that, people are like, yeah, as
opposed to wrong, and then follow it up at something
seem completely different energies. When people come at me from
a mad place, if I'm speaking or anything and they

(49:55):
come up and say I didn't appreciate this, I'd say,
thank you for caring enough to share that.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
What a delightful thing to say.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
That's my response. Yeah, And even people like there was
only there's only ten people that wrote about the film
and said how dare you? And all the stuff that
emails because of what's in the film. But to each
of those people, I said, thank you for caring not
to share that one, I'll consider this feedback. And some

(50:22):
of them were like, great, it's the ultimate diffuser and
it's from my heart and it's true. But then some
people say, put more words on that, and then I
share we turned off the film halfway through because of
one thing, but that's only one part of the film.
You might want the rest of it so that you
could have an opinion about the whole thing instead of

(50:43):
just getting mad at one part of it. This guy
was like, okay, but only because I came from place
that's good to know. Thank you for the feedback.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Fantastic. We're just running out of time. We could talk forever. Now.
I want to tell everyone give us your best all
side pitch to go watch the movie and how others
can find the movie, because it really is worth watching.
It's very eye opening and I think mind expanding to

(51:14):
allow us to do healing in a greater way.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah. First you go to the Inside effects dot com
and just put in your name and the email address
and you'll be given access to the film and it's free.
So that's my best pitch. Ast you nothing. And then
even the book there's made the film, And then I
was like, what are the next steps. If somebody has
watched it, I'm in. I'm ready to go. I have

(51:41):
this particular ailment. You didn't talk about that, right, So
I did two books, and unlike other publishers where they
have the ninety nine cent channel for one day and
the super low price on the book for one day
so they can get bestseller status, I remain at that
same exact. I want the world to have these books.
This is money make it is a passion amazing.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
So that's the inside Effects dot Com and we'll have
that url up over it understanding Autoimmune dot Com.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
We'll have to have Keith leon.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
S back because, as you can tell her, some wealth
of experience. And I just love what I call Survivor
to Thriver stories because they help others that maybe are
a little behind us on the path to see that
there is a way forward, even if they're not following
our way. Just knowing there is a way is always helpful.
So thank you so much Keith for being on the

(52:35):
show and sharing all of your hard earned wisdom with us.
And hopefully we encourage people to just open their minds
a little bit too. That's interesting and go from there.
So everyone have a great week, whatever your adventures. We'll
have Keith back on in a few weeks just to
continue our conversation, because I find it completely fascinating. Join

(52:57):
me next week for another brand new episode.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
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