Marcus Bird - The Man Who Meditated Away Chronic Fatigue - The AutoImmune Hour

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Welcome everyone to the Autoimmune Hour. I'm Sharon Sailor from
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on five hundred. I cannot believe that. So anyway, I've
got a fascinating topic we haven't covered before. And maybe
you've met someone who then introduces you to someone and
then it's just meant to be. Well, I recently met
some one who shared with me just a whole number
of people that are so fascinating in his world as

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well as now fascinating in my world, and so I
really want to introduce to you Marcus Byrd. He is
a creator, a channel and a coach, and he's got
an amazing survivor to Thriver's story for our Courage Club conversations,
as well as some fascinating things he's learned along his

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journey that he now shares with people as he goes
about being an amazing thriver to me, we're pre recording
this show because he tomorrow. It's Tuesday for him, and
it's Monday for me because he's calling in from Australia.
So welcome Marcus. Thanks for being on the show.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Hi, Jeanne, thank you so much for having me. I'm
super excited to be here.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Oh I am too. I'm excited to have you. I
just want to quickly read a little bit of your
bio and I'm going to read it, guys, so apologize
if I get too close to the screen for you.
After many years in the cour world, climbing the corporate ladder,
Marcus had a life changing experience and was thrust into
the world of healing. I think a lot of us
can relate to that world of thrust into the world

(03:10):
of healing. Yeah, it wasn't something that was on my
calendar date either. When Marcus gave himself chronic fatigue syndrome,
Little did he know that it would change his life completely.
From corporate jedi to channel healer, teacher of the ancient
information and he is a researcher and channel of the

(03:31):
sacred ancient Egyptian healing called Abukra. Okay, thanks, I know
we talked about it before the show, and as I mentioned,
I sometimes slaughter than English language. But he's also an
expert in sacred geomedy and modern quantum physics. So Marcus,

(03:53):
thank you. I'm so fascinated by how your survivor de
Thriver's story took quite an amazing turn. A lot of
times people say, oh, yeah, I'm back and doing this
and that, and not a lot has changed for them
other than this kind of blip, and maybe they're taking
better care of themselves. But your life just took like
a one eighty.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, it totally did. It totally changed and shifted. And
if you had to told me before this is where
I'd end up, I would have said, you're being silly.
That's ridiculous, because I was. I was very intent and
purposeful in climbing the corporate ladder and doing the right
things by my family, my parents, my peer group, and

(04:36):
also society. And that wasn't to be.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Take us back to that time when you say that
wasn't to be, what was going on in your life
and what were some first inklings like something's different and
maybe not so great.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, it hit me really hard, really fast. If I
think back now, I can definitely see signs and things
that were unfolding. But at the time time, I was
fairly disconnected with myself and my body, and I was
very much as sort of heads down sort of person,
get on with the job, do what you have to do.

(05:12):
And I was a pretty sort of tough, resilient sort
of person. I thought I was, and so I didn't
really notice a lot at the time. But things were changing,
things were shifting, and very soon I was to realize
that how much and how fast they were actually going
to shift, And so I had a Yeah, I had

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a sort of a sudden experience, if you will.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, I noticed in your bio, so you gave yourself
or I read Gabe himself chronic fatigue syndrome. To me,
that's an interesting way to say it. I'm not arguing
that it's not true because I be thinking about my path.
There were so many times in red flags, etc. Where
I could have made better health choices. So yeah, ending

(06:02):
up there myself. But tell me a little bit about that.
How you realized that it was chronic fatigue, because sometimes
that's really hard to get diagnosed.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, and certainly at the time we're talking, I don't know,
twenty five, twenty seven years ago or so, so we're
talking a long time ago. And back in those days,
chronic fatigue was called the yuppie flute. I remember that.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, that's meaning thing.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, yeah. It had a various demeaning and a lot
of people didn't believe it was real. Certainly the medical
fraternity did not believe it was real, and that led
to me losing a lot of friends. It led to
a split in my family. At the time. Half my
family didn't believe that I had nothing wrong with me
and I was just being lazy, I was just faking it,

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and the other half leave me. So there was all
these sort of split in relationships in family, and at
the time, it wasn't seen an illness or a disease
or a problem. It was the yuppy flu. It was
a lazy person's illness. And the doctors that I saw

(07:12):
all took copious amounts of blood and decided there was
nothing wrong with me. The advice was there were two
bits of advice. One is to go home and sleep
for a bit. You need more sleep the otherwise you're
obviously depressed. That was the diagnosi.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah, I think most of us with the diagnosis have
heard that before. Sad but true that even in Australia
crossed the ways there similar types of approaches to people
with hard to unravel situations going on with their health.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Absolutely, absolutely, that was a sort of a bit of
a shock once that happened, because within my body, I
was getting sicker and sicker by the moment. And for me,
as we were saying that this thing hit me or
felt instantly, I know it was leading up to it. Obviously,
I was working way too hard. I was a senior

(08:08):
manager of a national company and I had staff, and
I was traveling a lot. I was on aeroplanes every week,
and so I had a fairly high pressure type of
job and responsibility. And at the same time I wasn't
looking after myself. I thought McDonald three times a week
was pretty nutritious. Why would they sell something that wasn't nutritious?

(08:31):
And that made no sense that I was very Western.
I was very Western medicine, very that Western sort of
mindset that I had no idea, no idea at all.
So working myself working long hours, exhausting myself, eating terribly,
incredibly badly.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
I think the funny thing is I used to travel
a lot too, just a real corporate warrior, and offen times,
I too thought I was healthy. I would get salads,
I would get other things that seemed healthy, not even
realizing a lot of the preservatives that people put on
even salads things like that. So even if you are

(09:13):
eating a whole plethora of things that might be labeled
fast food or processed foods, so often, until I did
the research, I believe the marketing of what companies were
telling me that hey, this is nutritious. Hey it's a salad.
How bad can it be?

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, how can it be? It's where you do salads.
It's okay, that's good. But that's obviously not the case.
And so I did learn a lot very very quickly,
and I think for me it was the turning point
and where I think everything started to spiral out of
control was one day I was sitting in my office.

(09:51):
I had a quarter office overlooking the city, and I
had the right car, European car, and the garage. I
lived in the right suburb. I did all the things
based on society, my economic background, my peer group, my family,
and I remember sitting at my desk one day and
I don't know what happened, but I was feeling pretty

(10:11):
egotistical about myself, pretty what I would call chufft, which
is a bit of an English sort of term, and
I just remember this wave came over me, and it
was almost like the city is on a river, so
it's almost like this wave came up the river and
washed over me. And I put my hand on my
heart and I said, there has to be more than this.
This can't be it. I have no idea why I

(10:33):
said that. I don't know why that came over me.
And it was probably only a week after that that
I started to get obviously sick, really sick, and that
spiraled very quickly from that moment on to maybe a
month where eventually I could not go into the office.
I just could not continue and I had to be

(10:54):
on it. I'd had lots of sick days off, obviously,
and lots of blood tests, and they thought it was
Legionnaire's disease, and then they thought was this and cancer
and this, and all the blood tests came back as zero,
and I was getting sicker and sicker by the day.
And then I had to make the decision that I
couldn't work any longer. And that was a really hard decision.
And up until that point, I wasn't much of a

(11:15):
I wasn't very emotionally connected. But that day I came
home and realized that the dream, what I thought was
the dream climber the corporate ladder and one day retire
and all that sort of stuff was gone. And I
think I cried for a whole day.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Wow, just to day.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Well, probably more than that, but in that moment, I
just I couldn't stop sobbing. So yeah, it was at
a pretty amazing moment in time.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
I only got tangentle on you for just for a moment,
please see being a guy, I think a lot of
people think chronic fatigue, and I know this is a stereotype,
but I'm just throwing it out there as like the
woman's thing besides the yuppie flu. I remember when they
first thought I had chronic fatigue. It turned out to
be an heart of immune But it was like, oh,

(12:02):
a lot of women your age get run down and
blah blah blah, And I felt they were criticizing the
female part, How did it work for you being a
guy with all of it sudden having this.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, I don't think I recognized that it was mainly
women at the time, So I don't think the sort
of gender thing played out. It was much more the
effect of the label that they gave it. This yuppy flu,
this lazy person's illness or disease. This They really played
it down and really played it like it didn't really exist.

(12:37):
It's all in your mind. It's in your head. So
I think that affected me more than whether it was
masculine or feminine, or male or female. I don't think
I even realized at the time it was one more
than the other.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
I could just be totally off the base because I've
been medical gaslet for so long that part of me
begins to wonder if it's not gender based. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Absolutely, I think from memory it probably was gender base.
More women had it than men. The common sort of
ground tended to be high achievers, people who worked hard,
who were climbing the corporate ladder, who were in that
space tended to be the people who got it the
most at that time. I don't believe that's true now,

(13:21):
and I don't probably even believe it was true then,
but it was the sort of thing they were saying
at the time, that.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Was the narrative they were putting around it. Unfortunately, because
a lot of people suffered and still suffer from that
stigma of it.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah. Absolutely, absolutely, so, Yeah, I think when, certainly in
those days and even probably tilted even now, when the
medical realm, the Western medical world, doesn't understand something, they
desperately try to push it away from themselves and push
blame onto something else or someone else other than oh,

(13:53):
we just don't understand and therefore, yeah, we don't know
what to do. So rather than own it, they push
it back onto people or away and go, it's just
in your mind, there's nothing really going on because we
can't see anything going on. It's I can tell you
right now, there's definitely something going on.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Absolutely. I've said that more, especially in the early days,
so as you began to cope and deal with your
chronic fatigue. Take us a little bit further down the
path of some of the moments where you had these
aha moments that helped you recover.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think after the initial sort of shock
of it and that I was now at home and
really the first sort of moment I had once I
was now a permanently disabled, if you will, in a
compromised position at home. I couldn't work, I really couldn't
go out anywhere. I couldn't have any stimulus of any sorts.

(14:53):
I couldn't watch the telly or listen to the radio,
or talk to anyone on the phone or so I
was really this isolated, trapped person now. And that was
a pretty pretty strange moment. And I think my first
sort of epiphany was that no one's coming to save me,
no one's coming to give me any idea of what
I had, because I didn't know I had chronic fatigue

(15:14):
at the time, right, I had no idea what I had.
And by now I'd seen probably three different doctors they'd
all given me the same non diagnosis, and I was
left to my own devices. And I had a moment
I remember where I said, Okay, there's two options here,
or I feel there's two options, right, because I didn't

(15:34):
know whether this was life threatening or whether who knows,
no one knew what it was. So I said, OK,
I've got two choices. Either I die or I survive.
They're my two choices. What do I choose, and I
made a very purposeful choice to heal from this, to
go no, this is not the end. I'm not giving up.

(15:55):
If everyone else has given up on me, I'm not
giving up on me. And if no one else can hear,
I'm going to have to heal myself. So I'm just
going to have to do that. And so there was
a very purposeful decision to do that.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
That's the common theme that in all of the survivor
to Thrivers' stories that I've done, the common theme is
two part one is I'm on my own here, I'll
have to figure it out, I'll do it myself type
of mentality. But also I've heard people and this is
my category is I'll show you because I was told

(16:31):
terrible statistics, and like I was given a diagnosis and
then terrible statistics and if you're going to end up
as one of these horrible statistics. And it was that
moment of yeah, no, I'll show you. My mother will
tell you it's a horrible thing to raise a child
who does the eye show you the polarity responder thing.

(16:51):
But I actually have found that I use it to
my advantage a lot in life.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Totally and I think I've done the same through my life.
I remember my mum told me a story when I
was born. I was a breach baby and came out
backwards and my legs and hips were not in a
good way, and I had to have lots of physiot
as a baby turned to repair to get them moving properly.
And the doctor said to my mum, and your son's
going to be okay. He'll be fine eventually, but there's

(17:18):
two things he'll never ever do. One is he'll never
be a hurdler. Two is he'll never ski. No ski.
With that in mind, I hurdled for my state. I
became a member of the Australian ski team the represented
my country. So I'm a little bit like you. If
they say I can't do it, then I go, I'm
definitely going to do it.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Exactly. I'd love to know down in the comments, if
you're watching it, they're listening good wherever you are. If
that's part of your survivor to Thriver's story audience, that
would be wonderful to know, because I have found that
as a very common trait among many of the people
I've interviewed over the last decade. Is a wonderful treat

(18:02):
Now it can be incredibly frustrating to the medical community.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
To totally because you never take no for an answer,
and if they say that's it, you know that we
can't do anything, It's okay, I'll show you. I'll prove
that you can do something. And yeah, that was certainly
my journey as well.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
So what are some of the things you did?

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, so, look, I think the very first thing was
that I resigned myself to the fact no one was
going to come and save me, and that there was
no solution to this, certainly in the immediate term that
I could see or anyone could show me. So I
thought to myself, Okay, I can't do a lot, But
what can I do. I can't go out, I can't
talk to people, I can't watch Telly, I can't do

(18:45):
any normal activities. So what can I do? And really
the only thing that came up at the time was
I can meditate, and I went, Okay, that's what I'm
going to do. So I ended up meditating four or
five hours a day because that's really all I could do.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
And were you a meditator before? No new thing.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
This was a pretty new thing. The only thing i'd
been shown when I was in the Australian ski team.
The sports psychologist showed us a process they called this
active visualization and what they which was really meditation, which
they said, Okay, what you do is you imagine, close
your eyes, relax, Imagine walking down some stairs into a
cellar underneath the house. And in the cellar there's going

(19:28):
to be We want you to imagine a beautiful couch
and then we want you to imagine a video screen
and we want you to sit there and watch yourself
winning races. So play the race out, whatever race you've
got coming up, play the race out. And so that's
the only thing I knew, So I thought, okay, I'll
just do that because that seems like meditation and rather

(19:48):
than watching myself race or watch myself getting well and
being healed. So I did that for four to five
hours a day. I would think a lot.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
That is a lot, but.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, it certainly started the process, and it started to
I think, stabilize my mental state from a state of
hopelessness and oh my god, what am I going to
do to Okay, let's just get focused on the sort
of job at hand. Let's just start this process of
healing in a way, even though I kept getting worse
and worse for a bit longer, I stayed pretty focused

(20:23):
on that. And from there some really amazing things appeared
and happened, and I was guided to follow various paths
and learn different things, and I was given a whole
lot of information about healing and health and wellness and
the universe and all sorts of things quantum physics and

(20:46):
there's a whole lot of things I was gifted through
that process that then really started the healing for me.
And then, of course a number of serendipitous things appeared,
And in particular, a friend of mine said, I know
someone who's got something similar to you, and they've called
it chronic fatigue syndrome. And I'm like, okay, what is

(21:07):
you know what? I don't know what that is. And
I met with this person who had chronic fatigue or
been diagnosed with chronic fatigue, and that led into a
whole lot of other things that opened up a world
of natural therapies. I was linked in with a beautiful
integrated medicine doctor called doctor Brighthope, which I think is

(21:31):
a beautiful name for a doctor, right. Yeah, And so
eventually I went to see him, and he then started
to talk to me about nutritional medicine and vitamin therapy
and a whole range of things, and that sort of
gave me the next sort of jump of hope. He
diagnosed it. He said, this is what you've got, and

(21:53):
we have quite a bit of success with people, and
here's here's the protocol we're going to put you on.
And I kept meditating at the same time and downloading
or receiving lots of information about myself and the universe
and how I could heal. And so I started healing
emotional issues. I started healing family issues. I started to

(22:14):
heal on sort of the multi dimensional level. And I
think a lot of these types of issues or illnesses
or situations are multi dimensional. It's not just now you're sick,
it's actually your whole diet is not nutritional enough to
support you, plus your emotions, plus past traumas, plus all
of these sort of aspects that came together and collide

(22:37):
together to create this type of illness that I had.
And so I started working very much multi dimensional and
tackling things from every angle possible to create healing in
a very quick period of time compared to a lot
of people.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
I've heard that too, and from my own history is
that I started the show just four months after my diagnosis,
mostly because I wanted to learn about it myself, and
I figured, well, if I want to know, maybe other
people do too, right, So I started. But when I started,
it was definitely just the physical layer, talking to medical professionals,

(23:20):
just the physical layer, How do I fix my skin?
How do I fix whatever it is? As I got
to know more and more people, which is what I
love about the shows, I've just met amazing people such
as yourself, just sharing that healing is more than just
the physical level totally. I began to explore and get
introduced to people who would talk about healing from childhood

(23:43):
trauma or healing from all sorts of things going on,
healing the family dynamic, and that helped take a jump
in their recovery. It was amazing to me. My journey
of learning that healing is multi dimensional took a longer,
a different path, but it's the same path that led
to the same place, like healing is just at the

(24:05):
physical level totally.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
And I think this is where I learned to flip
the narrative from I got chronic fatigue too. I gave
myself chronic fatigue because then I had some control over it. Okay,
if I gave it to myself, then I must be
able to reverse that. I must be able to unngive
it to myself. If it just happened to me, if
I'm just a victim in this, then it's very hard

(24:28):
to heal. It's very hard to then go Okay, Now
how do I navigate that? So I flipped the narrative
to Okay, this is something I gave me. And as
I look at the path that I've wandered on since
and now here with you, I really, I actually am
very grateful that I gave myself chronic fatigue syndrome, because
I wouldn't be here if it hadn't, and I wouldn't

(24:51):
have been able to help so many people and help
heal others and share the gifts I've been given, on
the information I found, on the research I've done, and
be able to share that now. I am grateful for it.
But I think flipping narrative is really important, and for me,
it was very empowering.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
I like the idea of switching the narrative because it's
very empowering, but boy, it would take a lot of grit,
to a lot of resilience to switch the narrative like that.
It's amazing that you were able to did it? Switch
happened quickly once you decided that was it a decision

(25:28):
and bam or.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, yeah. I think it was part of that decision
of Okay, everyone's given up on me, so the only
person who's going to heal me is me. And then
through the exploration of that that more multi dimensional reality,
I realized that, Okay, everything in anathink that comes to
me or comes in my sphere of reality, I've played
a role in attracting that, in materializing that in my world. Therefore,

(25:55):
I have materialized chronic fatigue to help me to get
out of an environment that I really didn't want to
be in into a place that my mission and my
purpose in life. And that gave me a lot of fulfillment.
That created a lot of depth. And I think as
I meditated, the more I meditated, the deeper I went within.
And you know, I got to a very deep space,

(26:18):
to a space where my brain actually stopped thinking. So
there was a number of months when my brain stopped
thinking and I just became this being in the universe,
and it was just a phenomenal, incredible experience to have that.
And part of no more the stopping of thinking was
the meditation, but also the illness itself. I was so

(26:42):
fatigued my brain stopped. The ticker tape that runs in
the back of the mind constantly telling us things, and
that stopped, and so all I had left was a
deep connection to the universe, an incredible connection to the universe,
and so many insights just appeared from that spice. It
was amazing, It was incredible.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Wow. We need to take a quick commercial break, and
when we come back, we're going to talk more with
Marcus about what those insights are, because I'm completely fascinated
by the ability that we have within us to heal,
and it's always fascinated me people's pathways to finding that.

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So we'll be right back.

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Speaker 3 (29:16):
Welcome back everyone to the Auto Immune Hour. I'm Sharon Saylor,
and I'm here with Marcus Bird. And he is a creator,
a channel and a coach, and he is called the
Wellness futurist or an activator, healer, coach, and as you
can tell, he's someone who's actually walked the walk, been
through the slog as we say, and able to find

(29:40):
his way out the other side. Now, in these deep
meditative states you're talking about, and you're also talking about
in my mind, it sounds like stopping the monkey chatter.
When did you realize that you had made it? To
me a major shift to be able to channel and

(30:02):
understand things at a much deeper level than before.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
I think there are a couple of things that happened,
And I don't know how deep you want to go here,
but I'm happy to go deep.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
I feel, well, let's dive in the deep end.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Marcus, Yeah, okay, let's do that. There are a couple
of things that happened. One was during my meditations. I mean,
the process that my brain just stopped thinking running that
ticker tape in the background was pretty organic. It just happened,
and I think it happened because of the illness, but
also because of the amount of meditation I was doing.

(30:35):
I think they were two things that sort of created
that opportunity and that allowed me to connect really deeply
with the universe, and you know what you might consider
unusual things started to appear where I would meditate next
to a tree and it would be like the tree
was talking to me, like there was this organic information
that was flowing from the tree. Probably the most profound

(30:57):
experience during the meditation was that one morning when I
was meditating and again I used to walk down the
stairs and go into the cellar. One day that seller
had turned into a pyramid, and I walked into a
pyramid rather than a cellar. The movie screen was there,
the chair was still there, but the building itself or
the environment was in the shape of a pyramid. And

(31:20):
at the time I didn't know anything about pyramids apart
from what they taught us at school. Right. They were
in Egypt, they were for pharaohs, and they just were
super cool. Right, That's about all I.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
That's about what I knew about them. So I'm beating
brother here to find out. I can't imagine the meditation's
going along seem that all of a sudden, yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Of a sudden, Yeah. Yeah. There was no premeditated thought
about pyramids. There was nothing. I was just minding my
own business, doing my normal routine that I was now
doing which was meditating early in the morning, and all
of a sudden, I'm in a pyramid, and I'm thinking
to myself, this is strange and a bit weird, but
I thought, who cares, right, it's a pyramid, So what

(32:05):
it's either a seller or a pyramid. Does it really matter? No,
it doesn't, so I'll just be here in a pyramid.
And after a couple of weeks of being there in
a pyramid, a whole lot of things started to shift
and change. I started to turn the table on healing.
Even up until now, I'm still going into that getting
worse type of feeling, and that's partly the sort of

(32:26):
healing crisis type sort of thing. I stopped all bad foods,
I went fully organic, I went filtered water, I went
all these things had started to happen, and I think
this was one of the turning points. And I'm in
the pyramid again, money my own business, and quite by sudden,
this sort of apparition or this being stepped into the
pyramid in front of me and sat opposite me. And

(32:48):
again this might sound weird and strange, but lots of
serendipitous moments and amazing things unfolded from this moment on
and this sort of apparition or this being there and
said that in two weeks I'm coming back with another
being and we're going to give you some information you
need to take to the planet. It's information about healing

(33:09):
for you, but it's also information about healing for others.
And again, at the time, and this was a voice,
not my voice. Sometimes when you hear things that comes
through your own voice. This was not my voice. This
was a totally separate voice. And so I just went, Okay,
sure whatever, and I'm sick, and I'm thinking, oh, this
is just fun. I'm just making stuff up. And two

(33:30):
weeks to the day that happened, the other beings came
through the pyramid and they sat down and started talking
to me about what they needed me to transcribe. And
they just started talking about amazing things about the universe,
about planet, it's about civilizations throughout the universe, about quantum physics,
about mass, about healing, about the human body, so many things.

(33:54):
And this went on every single day for years and
years actually, but in particular around this time, it went
on for a long time quite intensely, and I was
just being a good scribe writing information down drawing pictures,
writing out mass and mass was my worst subject at school,
and just following some of the instructions around health and

(34:16):
healing and wellness and working with sort of systems of
the body working in the dimensional space, and really the
core frameworkers around stabilizing the body in space and time,
and that most illness is caused by a destabilization of
some part of the body system, whether that's the energetic

(34:37):
or emotional or physical system. There's a destabilization that occurs,
and if you can restabilize that and re harmonize, then
the resonant field starts to become complete again, and then
the body starts to heal itself. So there was a
lot of information around that sort of concept, and I

(34:58):
took that on board and that real started my healing process.
But it wasn't probably until I'd got well enough that
I was led down the path of kinesiology. And my beautiful,
amazing doctor Bright Hope had suggested that, hey, we've had
some success with kinesiology, this concept of kinesiology, and I
knew nothing about any of these things. I've never even

(35:19):
seen a natural path until these at this moment, right,
So I went to a kinesiologist, and after two sessions,
I was about fifty percent better from where I was
at that point. I'd already started to get better, but
I had a jump in betterment or wellness. I looked
at this kinesiologist person and I went, I'd have no
idea what you're doing. I don't know what's going on here.

(35:42):
I had some information through this sort of channel experience
about it, and that's why I think guided these sort
of things to happen. But I eventually got well enough
that I went, I want to study this. I need
to learn this sort of stuff, and I need to
integrate this with everything I'm being given. And it really
was until a specific moment in time that I realized
that what I was doing had some validity to it.

(36:04):
Up until now, I thought, I'm just making stuff up.
This is just a bit of fun. I'm hearing voices,
I'm seeing things, but it's just all make believe. And
who knows, maybe I'm tapping into the collective conscious. May
who knows what I'm doing had no idea until this day.
I went to the kinesiology college and we had an exam,
and I took a booklet that i'd written in that

(36:26):
had hundreds and hundreds of pages of healing and stuff
in it, and the examiner came from across the room
and she put her hand on this book that I
had created, and she said, I have to read this.
So she read it, and at the end of the exam,
I said, what have I got anything here? What is
this that I'm doing? And she said, you have to
show the head of school. So I went to the

(36:46):
head of school and she was very much a Missus
mcgonagal from like Harry Potter type person. She was beautiful, amazing,
this beautiful hair and very wizardy sort of person, but
a little scary at the same time. Right, So she
summoned me over at some point and on the front
of this booklet, they'd asked me to draw an image

(37:07):
specific sacred geometry image. Again, I didn't know anything about
sacred geometry at the time, and she said to me,
you've got something I need to see. So I went, yeah,
I do. So I hated her this booklet, and the
minute she saw the cover she started crying and I thought,
what have I done? This is bizarre. And we went
and sat in her room and for two or three

(37:28):
hours we talked about what had just happened, and she
said she'd had a channeling experience five years earlier, and
at the sort of towards the end of that, they said,
you're going to meet a gentleman who's going to present
this image to you and he needs help to get
this out to the world. And at that moment I went,
hang on a minute, this is too weird, too strange.

(37:49):
There must be something going on. So we talked a
bit about this experience, and from that moment lots of
serendipitous things happened. Things would appear in my letterbox, things
would appear in my hand us, things were materialized themselves,
and a lot of weird, wonderful things started to happen
because of that, and eventually started to cut along story short.

(38:11):
I created a new sort of modality, which at the
time was called dimensional therapy, that helped heal me and
then started to help heal lots and lots of people.
So I created a program or a course around it
called dimensional Therapy. It's now called Activator Healer Coach, and
I started teaching, and as I got better and better
and almost back to full health, I started teaching this

(38:32):
sort of full time and ran this course for about
seven years, and then we hibernated it after that because
I don't think I was ready, the world wasn't ready.
At the time, I stayed in the wellness industry, I
was a practitioner, had my own clinic, started to teach
wellness professionals how to have a successful clinic. And then
when the sort of COVID experience started, the messages came

(38:54):
back again and they said, this information we gave you
is for this moment in time. Okay, so now I'm
teaching that again. So yeah, it's a strange, weird story,
but there's way too many synchronistic, serendipitous events that happened
that I can't do not and I didn't believe it
for a long time.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
I've heard this similar story before, so I'm understanding what's
going on. But I've heard similar stories before, and even
in my own healing journey, there have been times early
on where something would happen. I'd meet someone whatever, or
someoneould say I need to introduce you to or I'd
have insights and I have this excuse, Oh, I'm not

(39:39):
ready yet, or I'm not I'm not the one, or whatever,
and very quickly I learned, You're never going to be
ready for these experiences, these moments where things happened to you.
You concerned it pitous that I love that word, but
that this idea of to approach it now from this downpoint,

(40:02):
I have no clue what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
I feel safe here, So let's just go for it.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Let's keep going exactly exactly. So changed my life, as
you can imagine. And I have a very deep, profound
understanding now about the universe and what's happening and what's
playing out, and the whole concept of resonant fields of
harmony versus disharmony, stable versus destabilized, and how we can

(40:32):
make a very profound difference to ourselves and to others
with some of these concepts. It's definitely been hugely beneficial
for me. But now thousands of people that I've either
taught or applied this with. I've worked with lots of
chronic fatigue, obviously, people who have given themselves chronic fatigue
and had some beautiful successes amongst a whole range of

(40:53):
other things in sort of the autoimmune world, but in
a wide range of issues and problems. And now we
have a whole lot of practitioners that are out in
the world doing exactly this amazing.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
If you were to just offer a couple of ideas
on how to open the space up for transformation or
open the space up for allowing something to happen, what
would you tell people that maybe you did or that
you have since learned, is something as a way to

(41:30):
make space for healing, make space for change.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah, yeah, I think undoubtedly the quietening of the mind
was my first step, and that definitely helped. Our minds
are full of beliefs and stories and opinions and past
traumas and all sorts of things that then create the
environment that we're existing in. And most of the time
it is a personally created environment and is not necessarily

(41:58):
related to a concept around truth. And truths are really
interesting concept because we tend to materialize a perceived reality
around us rather than a more truthful reality. And so
when you're quiet in the mind, when you can settle
yourself back in and stabilize yourself, you can work more

(42:20):
closely with the truth of what might be going on
for you. And we have very much personal truths, and
no two people's truths necessarily are the same. We have
a collective truth that we're sitting here and it's eight
forty eight here in Australia and it's something forty eight
for you in North America. So we can we can
agree on certain truths, and there are a broader sort

(42:41):
of dimensional realities of truth and universal sort of truth.
And I think part of the journey for me was
to find my truth beyond the perceived realities, beyond the
creation of things in my world, and try and hold
to that truth. And that's a very stable place to be.
And it's not saying that my truth is the ultimate truth,

(43:03):
the only truth, the best truth. It's just saying that
rather than continually hitting myself or continually eluding or creating
delusion for myself, I try as much as possible to
hold an alignment and a stability within that truth for
me and certainly a lot of the teachings that are

(43:24):
happening right now because we are making a what I
would call a dimensional shift collectively at the moment. In
the past, we have dimensionally shifted individually like I did
with chronic fatigue and my experience I would call a
dimensional shift. You mentioned, it's a whole one to eighty
degree shift. I think for me that is very much
a dimensional sort of shift that happened for me. I

(43:46):
think right now we're going through a collective shift, and
it's a very much a consciousness collective shift, and a
shift is into more of the truth. And this is
why we're seeing more of the untruths play out, and
the untruths that are playing out right now. I'm really
very obvious, and so we are moving in that way naturally.
But I think from a stepping stone point of view,

(44:10):
if someone can step into that stable, more truthful self,
then you can get to a place of Okay, I
gave this illness to myself for whatever reason, and you
may not understand it in this moment, but if you
hold that truth or potential truth, then eventually the purpose
starts to appear. But also what else appears is the

(44:32):
way forward. How do I move myself out of this
dimension of reality where I am ill or sick or
unable to function as a normal human being into a
dimension and a reality or a truth where I can
function normally, but maybe on a different path now, maybe
in a different dimensional reality, in a different truth. So

(44:54):
I think calming the mind and stepping into that space
can be really important, and I created a whole meditative
series and process around the pyramid meditation that we often
run in my Facebook group called Heart of the Matrix.
But I have a whole sort of pyramid process, and
I'm happy to give your listeners a free pyramid meditation
that they can try and maybether. It's a guided meditation

(45:18):
for two reasons. One is it will help to settle
the mind to the geometry, the sacred geometry of a pyramid,
or more importantly, an octahedron, which is two pyramids based
on base is one of the most important geometries in
the universe. There are pyramids throughout our planet that are
here for a reason, and there are pyramids or these

(45:39):
octahedron shapes on other planets throughout the universe that are
also really important. The fact of meditating in that space
is going to have a really profound effect on people,
but also help them to stabilize the brain and stabilize
into a more sort of expansive reality.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
We're just down about the last six minutes, which time flaes.
I'm just so fascinated by this, and the expense of
reality is so intriguing and inviting to me. I know
you've written a couple of books as well as share
how we can get the meditation, and I'll share some
final thoughts. So if someone's saying this is intriguing, but

(46:21):
I'm baffled or I'm not quite sure what the next step.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Is, that's okay. It's okay to be baffled or BeMoved
or intrigued for sure. And I think one of the
most important things is to begin to allow yourself to
expand into that infinite possibility. Because if we look at
quantum awareness and the quantum reality, potentially every possibility exists

(46:47):
in every moment, and the minute you decide on a path,
all of the other possibilities collapse in on themselves, and
then the next possibility arrives. So if you're sitting there
right now in the depths of this and feeling hopeless
or helpless as to what to do, connecting into that
opportunity of infinite possibility is still there with you, regardless

(47:08):
of what's playing out. And that infinite possibility includes wellness,
includes sickness, includes pain and suffering, it includes joy and happiness,
and to some degree a large degree, you get to
choose which way that plays out, and once you've made
that choice, it's holding on to that choice, even if
the practical experience around you isn't yet showing that. I

(47:31):
know when I started meditating and started my journey of wellness,
it took quite amount of time before I saw proof
of that. So I just had this dedication to the
meditation and dedication to improving my diet and doing all
of the things that I did. All of the healing
that I was given and all of the information I
was given, I dedicated to just applying that every single day.

(47:53):
And for quite some time, nothing appeared, or it seemed
like nothing was changing, and then all of a sudden
it did. And I think half the battle is preparing
to get well. I often say to my practitioners and
to people, some of the work that we're going to
do together is to prepare you to be well, because
so often people sabotage themselves into sickness and not into wellness,

(48:15):
because they get into a state of hopelessness that no
one can help me. No one's helped me so far,
I'm just stuck with this forever. And so there's no
getting someone into a state of wellness when they're in
a state of unwellness or destabilization as we like to say.
So half the journey is to prepare yourself for wellness,
and so I spent many months preparing myself for wellness,

(48:37):
which was keeping to the pyramid meditation, continuing the tough
diets that I was on, to continue the belief system,
to continue to clear the emotions to create a different reality.
And we do have that power. We are master creators.
We can create our reality. We do create our reality,
but sometimes reality creation is delayed in a dimension right

(49:01):
now where things are delayed, and thankfully they are, because
if our thoughts instantly created what we were thinking, we'd
be in all sorts of trouble because we haven't got
command of our consciousness yet. And part of my mission
is to move one percent of the population to a
cosmic conscious state, which is a state of more control
over that consciousness, which means we can materialize things much

(49:24):
much faster, whether that's wellness or money, or time or
energy or clients or whatever it is you're looking to materialize.
When you have control of your consciousness, then you can
materialize things much much faster. And stepping into the infinite
possibility is an important state, and preparing yourself for wellness
is part of that journey. Then you're not thinking, oh

(49:46):
my god, I'm doing all this meditation, I'm not getting well.
I should be getting well. It's no, you're still preparing
yourself for wellness because wellness tends to be this curve
that nothing seems to happen for a long time, sometimes
feels not much as changing, even though it is. But
because of their mindset you're in, because of the reality
you're creating, you don't notice the shifts and changes, and

(50:06):
then all of a sudden it seems to spike and
it's wow, all of a sudden, I'm better. We're getting better.
So how did that happen? It's been happening, but you're
preparing yourself for that moment where you do the one
eighty degree shift where everything changes in your world.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
I love that we're going to have you back, Marcus,
because I have so many questions, but we're just about
out of time. I love all these ideas and thank
you for sharing them with us. Share with the audience
where they can find the meditation that you mentioned, as
well as any other contact informission you'd like to share.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Yeah, that's probably The best place to go is Heart
of the Matrix Facebook group, So that's my sort of
public group, Heart of the Matrix, and if you search
for that on Facebook and then request to join, I
will let you in. We run live events all the time.
I'm often sharing these concepts and healing tips and ideas.
There's a whole lot of our healers and practitioners that

(51:04):
are on that site, so if you do actually need help,
there are amazing people there offering and helping, So that's
probably the best place to go. If you go to
my website Center for Quantumhealing dot org, you'll be able
to see the meditation there, the free meditation that you
can download. I'll also provide you with a direct link

(51:24):
to that meditation that you can put on the show
reel and you can click on that link. And they're
probably the best places to go to interact and to
find out more and obviously announce live events that I'm
running in Heart of the Matrix, any sort of public
events I'm running, and that would be a great place
to interact and get to know each other a bit
more and receive some of this information.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Thank you, Marcus for sharing so much and sharing the possibilities.
I think that's the important thing for people to know
instead of staying stuck, is to open your mind and
explore possibilities.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Absolutely, anything's wellness as possible. It's all possible, and both
you and I are living proof of that possibility.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Oh absolutely. I remember very specifically several doctors saying, why
are you fighting it? Just get used to it. This
is the diagnosis.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
But you love that.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
God so helpful, right, And it's helpful because I spurred
me on, but I don't think it's really helpful anyway.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
I love being here. Thank you so much for having
me on the show, and thank you everyone for listening.
And yeah, hopefully that helps.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Thanks for sharing, Marcus. I love sharing multiple opportunities to
visualize possibilities and other ways of being in thinking, because
it's only then that we can change, and we can
change our world is if we open up our minds
and saying, I don't know, let's explore, so let's take

(52:57):
a look.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Excellent.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
So everyone, that's Marcus Bird and we'll have his information
up over at Understanding Autoimmune as well, and have a
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