The Hidden Impacts of Candida on Your Immune System

Air Date - 28 June 2024

Join Sharon Sayler host of Autoimmune Hour as she welcomes back VJ Hamilton, a registered nutritionist, expert in autoimmune diseases, and an autoimmune thriver. They will delve into the intriguing topic of Candida – a common yeast that can cause a wide variety of health issues when it overgrows.

VJ will share her extensive insights on Candida, including how it may be linked to various symptoms you might overlook. From sugar cravings to itchy skin, discover the hidden signs and lifestyle changes you can implement to manage Candida. With a blend of personal experiences, practical tips, and professional advice, this episode is packed with valuable information for anyone dealing with strange, seemingly unrelated symptoms and/or autoimmune conditions, including:
• Understanding Candida’s Symptoms and Misdiagnosis
• Candida’s Impact on the Immune System
• The Tests and Challenges in Diagnosing Candida
• Simple Lifestyle Changes to Combat Candid
Plus much more…

More About Our Guest:

VJ Hamilton is a Registered Nutritionist and autoimmune disease expert. She offers personalized nutritional therapy and functional medicine for autoimmune skin disorders, chronic fatigue, joint issues, and gut health. VJ hosts The Autoimmune RESET podcast and runs a free online group, The Autoimmune Forum. After 25 years of suffering, she transformed her health and has lived symptom-free for over eight years. Learn more at https://theautoimmunitynutritionist.com/.

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Episode Transcript

(00:04):
And when it comes to candida,although it can directly impact you, it's
almost how it indirectly affects the immunesystem and indirectly affects the systems in the
body that creates the issue. AndI think that's why it's overlooked. We're
always looking for that direct pause whenit comes with a condition. We want
to know what has caused this.Specifically cue music places, everybody places.

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(01:22):
to the Auto Mune Hour. I'mSharon Sailor from Sharonsailor dot com and as
always, it's my honor and pleasureto be with you here on another brand
new episode. And you can findall the previous episodes. We're at four
hundred and eighty and counting, closingon five hundred episodes, hard to believe,
and you can find all of thoseover at Understanding autoimmune dot com.

(01:45):
And so we have an exciting returnguest. She is awesome and also a
busy lady. I read a blogpost of hers clearback in March, and
after that I was so intrigued byour blog post that I decided to contor
and we've just been able to workit into this busy ladies' schedule. Totally
get while she's so busy, Solet me introduce our return guest. Her

(02:07):
name is VJ. Hamilton and she'sa registered nutritionist and an expert in autoimmune
disease. She combines her knowledge withher medical degrees in biochemistry and immunology and
nutrition therapy to offer a thorough andpersonalized approach to recovery and supporting her clients
based on their most current scientific researchwe're going to talk today and jump right

(02:30):
in. She's got a much longerbio here, and we'll talk a little
bit more about that as we go, but I want to have tons of
time to talk about this important topic. VJ. Thanks for being on the
show. I'm so happy to behere. Thanks for having to be back,
and it's great to see you andeveryone. We've got a time zone
thing going on, so thank youso much for staying late so we could

(02:52):
match up our time zones here.Now. I love that blog post that
you did on Candida. I don'tthink it's talked about enough. When I
first learned about it, it wasprior to my autoimmune disease, and I
did have it, and I thoughti'd cured it, and then apparently it's
not that easy to do, oryou can't ignore it on this blog post

(03:15):
everyone. Her website is called theAutoimmunity Nutritionist dot com, and I've got
the post right up here on myscreen, so I just want to refer
to it. One of the thingsyou had in this blog post which was
so intriguing to me was this tenquestion. If this is you might have
Candida, So first off, canyou tell us what candida is, and

(03:35):
then I'd love to get into someof those questions because some of them could
be almost anything. Yeah, thatinteresting with candida. It can create so
many different issues in the body thatit can be diagnosed as another condition,
or if you have an autoimmune condition, then it might be put down to
the immune condition that you've got.But we can talk about some of those

(03:57):
symptoms as well. But Candida isa year that grows in the body,
and it is a natural yeast andyou expect to find it in the body,
but it's when you have an overgrowth, similar to bacteria that you have
in your guts. It's when it'sovergrowing and there is the imbalance in the
body that it can create issues.And it can create issues for various reasons.

(04:19):
And when it comes to candida,although it can directly impact you,
it's almost how it indirectly affects theimmune system and indirectly affects other systems in
the body that creates the issue.And I think that's why it's overlooked.
We're always looking for that direct causewhen it comes with a condition, we

(04:40):
want to know what has caused thisspecifically, and when it comes to candida,
there are various ways that it cansuppress the immune system and cause issues
in the guts and other factors aswell. It can create an issue with
histamine. Because of that, Idon't think people really do much about it.
But in my clinical practice, Isee lots of clients who are having

(05:00):
these systemic symptoms. When I saysystemic, they're having a headache, they're
having skin rashes, they're having tonailissues, they're having alcohol intolerance, and
they're not putting them all together andseeing it holistically. And when we do
that, and they might do astool test or they might do the candida
quiz, it gives us more informationinto whether the candida is causing their symptoms.

(05:24):
I wouldn't have thought that tonail fungusand alcohol intolerance would be a similar
symptom. That's what I found sofascinating. Now, before we get into
the quiz, because there were acouple of questions in there that intrigue me.
You said, it's always in ourgut, but can you get it
from eating yeast? Can you getit from eating yeast products like breads and
things like that? Is that howdo you get it? And it's naturally

(05:47):
occurring in our body? And it'sin the soils and we might pick it
up from different sources. So itis quite a natural thing to be exposed
to. But what can happen isit almost has real and it's when it
can grow. And that's the thingwith a lot of yeast, but also
bacteria. When they overgrow, theyalmost become pathogenic, which is when they

(06:09):
start to create symptoms for us.But when we eat yeast, that is
slightly different. Some people can havea yeast intolerance. And when I see
people have an issue with yeast,either of through a food sensitivity type intolerance
which is an IgG response, ormore of an allergy intolerance which is an
IgE response, that can be todo with yeast. But often when I

(06:32):
find them having an intolerance to yase, they actually have an intolerance to candida
as well, and that can bedriving it. That's just something I've seen
in clinical practice. And sometimes moldcan be a factor in that as well.
But as I said, it's naturallyoccurring and the immune system would normally
be able to keep it in balance. But if the immune system is suppressed
for any reason, or if you'reeating a high sugar dart, or if

(06:54):
you're chronically stressed and it's able togrow and thrive, and that's when it
creates the issue. Okay, good, So I can still occasionally have a
piece of toast without worrying that.As long as you're not yease intolerant,
that's so great. You're one ofthe few people I know that talks about
it very coherently and fluently. Andoften what happens when we bring it up

(07:15):
to a medical practitioner who just oupropose it. That's not a real thing.
I've had medical practitioners do that before. Oh, don't worry about that.
There are many reasons. One ofthem is that it can be opportunistic
candida, so it can be creatingan issue in the body, but it
can be to do with other factors. For example, somebody might have a

(07:35):
virus, the immune system becomes suppressed, and then they have a candida overgrowth.
So because your immune system has beensuppressed, it's overgrown. That's caused
the issue. But I think whenit comes from medical intervention, a lot
of the medications that they've got aren'tthat effective, and actually candida can become
resistant to those medications. And alsothere isn't the scientific evidence to show when

(08:01):
someone takes those medications for candida,it helps with their autoimmune disease. But
there is more research evolving which isshowing this link between candida and autoimmune disease
and the effect it has on thegut and the immune system and how that
might develop into an autoimmune condition aswell as other things going on in the
body. But from a medical perspective, they're looking at diagnosing a condition that

(08:24):
they can treat with a medication,which makes perfect sense. But when it
comes to these chronic illnesses that havemultiple factors and something like candida, which
probably isn't going to we don't know, but it's probably not going to kill
you, for want to be abetter phrase, but it's going to impair
your quality of life when you're livingwith it chronically because the symptoms are and

(08:46):
can be very unpleasant, and asI said, it can lead to histamine
intolerance and the development of certain inflammatoryconditions like autoimmune disease as well. When
we're talking autoimmun disease. As Welsh, I'm sure you're aware of this,
but there are normally multiple things goingon in the body, so this is
just one of the factors. Butif you're one of the people. While

(09:07):
this is a large component of whyyou're feeling ill, and you're able to
eradicate it or at least layer itin the body, you're going to be
feeling a lot better. And that'swhat happens with an auto muse's. You
want to be feeling the best thatyou can. Unfortunately, they're not curable,
but we can live symptoms free andwe can live feeling good. And
if candida is at the heartier symptoms, then it's going to help you in

(09:28):
the long run to review it orat least lessen it in the body.
Absolutely, And something just came tomy mind, and I remembered from the
blog post, and I want totalk about it real quickly, and you
were saying some of the signs withthings like toenail fungus and sugar intolerance.
But I also wanted to bring uptoo that I thought were important. One

(09:50):
was itchy skin, and skin issuesare such a precursor to something is going
funky with your immune system. Thatwas a fascinating one, but also one
that it could be several things causingthe itchy skin, but that's so easily
overlooked. Yeah, definitely. Andthen the other one I wanted to bring
up was the coating on the tongueand the oral thresh. And I think

(10:16):
a bad thresh when I think aboutbabies for some reason, I don't know
why that is, but I don'tthink about it as an adult onset issue.
But when I was reading a blogpost, it was, Yeah,
it was the coating on the tongueand the fascinating thing to me. And
I'm taking a tangent here. I'vehad various what i'll call natural type of
doctors want to look at my tongue, and it's fascinating to me how they

(10:39):
are able to tell so much justfrom what's going on with your tongue.
I completely agree so with the tongue, the itchy skin, all these different
issues can be when it comes toyour tongue, that is showing that the
candy that is thriving and it's justbeen able to for whatever reason, there's
any balance either in the mouth orin the guts, and it's been able

(11:03):
to overgrow, and that can createsymptoms in and of itself. It's not
very nice having that coating on yourtongue, but it also means that digestion
in the mouth might be impaired asa result of that, and when it
comes to itchy skin, one ofthe ways that it can create itchy's skin
is there are various ways that candidacan cause you to release more histamine than

(11:24):
you ordinarily would do. And Ifind that more and more people are having
histamine intolerance or mass cell activation syndrome, where they're releasing far more histamine than
they should do. And actually candidacan create that effect, not only because
it dysregulates the immune system, butit can have a direct effect on the
mass cells themselves, and it canalso block you from degrading histamine, so

(11:48):
it can affect this enzyme called dao, which means that histamine can build up
in the body. And one ofthe main symptoms of histamine intolerance or having
a high amount of histamine is itchyskin, and it can become unbearable where
I will have clients come to meand they've been living with this for years
and they've been having to rely onanti histamines for a long period of time.

(12:11):
And one of the reasons that thiscould be happening is because they have
a candida overgrowth, so that allthese things are interlinked, and it's when
you do a quiz that like theone on my blog post, and you
go through it and you realize,hang on a minute, all these things
are linked and what's the one consistentthing throughout this Candida? And that's when

(12:31):
I know I need to work onthat with my client. Yes, I've
been alluding to this quiz and Ifound it fascinating. And the first one
was digestive symptoms. Do you frequentlyexperiencing bloating gas or a doominal discomfort?
And have you noticed changes in yourbower habits such as diarrhea or constipation?
And I was like, oh mygoodness, like a lot of these that

(12:54):
could be a number of things,and how I could see can it could
be so easily overlooked? The nextone was skin and nail issues. Do
you have persistent skin issues such asitching, redness, and rash, especially
in areas prone to moisture, suchas you're under arms and groin? And
have you noticed changes in your toenailssuch as discoloration, thickness, are crumbling?

(13:18):
Now? Would it be just yourtoenails? Sometimes I've had people tell
me that all of their nails havedone strange things after they were diagnosed and
being treated for autoimmune it can definitelyaffect your your fingers as well, and
the skin as well on your hands. I think because the toes are in
that moist environment, it's far morelikely to take hold of the toenails.

(13:39):
But I certainly remember when I wentto Thailand and I fell over my toenail
came off. Sorry, it's informationand at the time you think that it's
because there's been an injury, butthe truth is I just stumbled over my
tone nell shouldn't have come off thatkind of just slightly tripping, but that

(14:01):
was a sign that it wasn't attachedproperly in the first place, and that's
what can happen. The tonilk cancome away, and it's just worth considering
that because I think people just think, oh, somebody stood on my toe,
or maybe I've been wearying the wrongtrainers, or they just put it
down to something else. And that'swhen it's quite good to look at that
list of other symptoms and tie itall together, because most people think with

(14:24):
bloating sebow straight away small intestinal bacterialovergrowth, but there is something called ce
fou so small intestinal fungal overgrowth,and it's not always bacteria. Although what
I would say is when the bacteriais out of balance, that is when
Candida likes to thrive because there's akey bacteria called lacto vacillas which keeps everything

(14:46):
in check in the gut, andwhen that is in low growth. Again,
I see this a lot with myclients, literally no growth of lackdo
vascillas and a high growth of Candida, and that's when it can thrive and
just creating issues because it almost hasroots that grow into the gut lining.
And we know leaky gut is ahuge issue in autoimmune disease and it can

(15:09):
create issues with the type junctions,so the in creating intestinal permeability that this
is an indirect way that it canaffect the immune system because when the gaps
are wider in the digestive system wall, it means that anything that's in the
gut gets into the bloodstream, includingthe Candida, but other things as well,
and then that fires up an immuneresponse that can be an issue too.

(15:33):
Now I want to circle back tothe ce BOAT. I know there
is a test like a breath typetest for seboat, which is the bacterial
overgrowth. Is there a test likethat or similar type of tests that you
could do to find out if it'sthe fungal overgrowth. I would do the
stall test. That's that's where Iwould look for the Candida overgrowth. Because

(15:54):
Candida can create a biofilm and protectitself, it sometime won't come out in
a store test even if you dohave it. There are other tests that
you can do, like the organicacid tests, which is a urine panel,
but it's looking for the build upof certain biomarkers in the blood,
but it's filtered through the kidney,so it's in the urine and by looking

(16:15):
at those compounds that are built up, it gives you an indication of whether
you have a Candida overgrowth because Candidaproduces those compounds, so you know if
you have a high amount, youlikely have candida systemically. And also from
a stall test, you're going toget a better idea whether you've got certain
bacteria that are linked to CBO orif it's more that you have this overgrowth

(16:37):
of Candida that's causing the bloating.So that's where I normally go in my
clinical practice when I'm working with somebodythat where I suspect that it is candida.
Now I'm just curious to me.I feel like candida is probably underdiagnosed
a lot. When you say suspectthey have candida, is it commonly underdiagnosed?

(16:59):
It just sounds like it would beso easy to have. I think
it's hugely under diagnosed. But it'sbecause even if you were diagnosed with it,
there isn't really the medical intervention atthe minute that's going to help.
There are things you can do naturally, antimicrobials and supporting other systems in the
body, like supporting your gut microbiomecan help to outcompete the candida, but

(17:22):
there isn't any medication. To behonest that There are medications out there that
are anti fungals, and they helpedto clear the overgrowth of fungus in that
short period of time, but youwill keep on needing them unless you're addressing
the root cause of the issue.And that's why I just stir away from
those types of medications because I tookthem in the past and they didn't do

(17:44):
me any good. I think theyactually made the situation worse for me,
and the way it would present withme is through my skin. And yeah,
I've come out head to tair inissues and it was all linked to
candida. And that's why I'm verypassionate about this topic because I know that
it can cause so many different issues. And I used to get a lot
of migraines as well, and migrainesare very much associated with histamine intolerance.

(18:08):
And as I said, histamine intolerancelinks back to candida. But because it's
not that direct relationship, it's notthe first place someone would look. Wow,
it seems like it would be verycomplicated to how diagnose it. Now.
One of the things that you havementioned some of the lifestyle types of
things. Are there lifestyle changes wecan make that could at least mitigate,

(18:32):
if not eradicate candida. I thinkone of the reasons it can become opportunistic
and start thriving in our gut isbecause we're living in a state of chronic
stress. And when we're chronically stressed, our body is in fight or flight.
Our body isn't focused on digestion,and because of that's when we can
get bacterial overgrowth, we can havebacterial dysbiosis, and that can lead to

(18:56):
candida. So working on our stressresponse, especially if we feel stressed or
we feel that we are chronically stressedis absolutely a key piece of this,
so I would encourage anyone to findout what works for you when it comes
to relaxation. The first thing isto understand what it feels like to be
relaxed. And I know that soundsvery simple, but a lot of the

(19:18):
clients that I work with have lotsgoing on in their lives, lots of
excitement but also lots of stress.But when it comes to relaxation and I
ask them about it, they areprobably spending fifteen minutes in a week whether
they're relaxing other than going to bedor being exhausted. And that's really not
how we're meant to survive. Andyou've just got to be realistic about everyone's

(19:40):
life and we can't all be relaxingevery day, but you can have strategies
like meditation, journaling, walking,nature, being more present. I like
to do breathing exercises throughout the day. Just having ten minutes to myself is
enough to just bring down my nervoussystem, calm down, and then when

(20:03):
I do the next thing, I'mnot building up all the time. It's
just I'm starting from a low placeagain. So then I build up,
but then I get calm myself downagain, rather than the momentum just building
through art the day and then youjust feel wiped out or wired at the
end of the day as a resultof just getting more and more stressed and
more and more excited. So that'show I have found that it's a good

(20:26):
way to manage it. Plus havinga rest day at least once a month,
if we could once a week,but once a month where you don't
have any plans, because it's theplans that make us stressed. Just have
a day. You can still dostuff, but just have a day without
plans and look after yourself and dowhat you feel like doing on that day
rather than having any commitments. Ilike those ideas because I remember someone saying

(20:52):
you're always in a constant state ofstress, and I was like, no,
I'm not. I don't know whatyou're talking about. I did not
know what it felt like anymore.I'd forgotten what it felt like to not
be in stress, to relax,And it's almost as it builds on itself,
and it creeped up slowly into mylife where my life was all about
doing and I always had great reasonswhy I was doing that job. Motherhood,

(21:18):
spouse, taking care of family members, whatever it was, other commitments.
It snuck up on me so easily. I didn't know what it felt
like to relax, And when Itried to do those relaxation techniques, I
found that it was really a struggleto finally just let it go. I
was biting, staying tense. Itwas fascinating how my body was, no,

(21:41):
don't relax, don't relax, yougot all of this to do.
I was exactly the same. Andthat's why I understand when somebody comes to
me and I asked them if Iprobably wouldn't ask them directly any more of
their stress, because I just saythat we just a lot of the time
aren't to where when we're in thatstress state. And my base sign was
so high. When I looked backto ten years ago, that was the

(22:03):
one thing I thought I had sorted, was stressed. I was like,
no, I'm fine, I'm absolutelyfine. But I look back now and
I was living at a very highstate of stress, like that was normal
for me, even though I washaving anxiety and panic attacks. I didn't
really relate that back to stress forsome reason, but obviously it's so interlinked

(22:23):
and it took me a long timedoing lots of different things. I went
for a meditation weekends, which atthe beginning I just didn't feel comfortable at
all. And I think it waswhen I did my Platis training and I
was in a group with ten womenand we met Saturday and Sunday and did
plats for two days together. Wedid meetings where we shared or emotions that

(22:45):
I'd never really done anything like that. To wed, I wasn't very comfortable
doing it. But after that Ifelt a huge shift in my body and
I realized what feeling relaxed actually meant. And to be honest, since then,
I've really enjoyed feeling relaxed in doingacupuncture or doing reflexology or going for
a massage when I can, AndI really enjoy feeling relaxed now and I

(23:10):
make the most of it when Iam feeling like that, because I know
how beneficially it's to your body whenyou're in that state. Absolutely, I'm
thinking about myself when the truckling isyou were sharing, because I too have
tried various things. Either going awayfor a weekend like you said to mine
was a yoga retreat, and Itoo was not comfortable there. And I
think it's because I'd forgotten what itfelt like to be relaxed. Yeah,

(23:37):
I've kept feeling like there, thatmust be something wrong with me. I
don't feel right. But my rightwas my right, I'll put in ner
quotes. Was so skewed from yearsof stress that I kept thinking something was
wrong. A couple of weeks ago, we had Mikaela Jaldon and she was
sharing about the ANS, the autonomicnervous system, and what was fascinating to

(23:57):
me was she said, if you'reone of those people who fall asleep easily
but wake at about two or threeam, that's really a sign of stress.
That's really a sign that your cortisolis peaking at that time and it's
waking you up way too early.And I found that fascinating because I had
to raise my hand to that.I was like, oh my gosh,
yes, I can fall asleep,but I'm always awake at three And that

(24:18):
was so annoying to me and tounderstand, oh, okay, that's a
message from my body, although Ididn't understand the language until recently. Okay,
do some stress work, do somestress release work here? And I
found that awful to understand. Andthat's what I feel like about Candida,
all these sort of secretly coded messagesthat once you understand how to read them,

(24:41):
you're like, oh, it makesperfect sense. I had exactly the
same issue with my sleep, andI would almost be proud of the fact
that I could sleep anywhere and fallasleep very quickly, to a point where
I was falling asleep on the tubein London and that type of thing.
So it got to about stage.But I used to think that was a
good thing. But I would dothe same. I'd wake up at two

(25:03):
three o'clock and wake up not feelinggreat at all. And I think I've
done lots of things around my sleep, but I find now that I can
have just a really nice still sleepand get that restorative sleep, whereas before
my mind was all over the place, was dreaming a loss, and I'd
wake up, as you say,two three o'clock and just not feel rested

(25:26):
when I woke up at all.I think it's a chronic issue, not
just with people with autoimmune though.But yeah, they always warrant people if
don't wait till it gets to theautoimmune stage. To me, autoimmune disease
at least in my experience with otherpeople. I mean, on the show,
it creeps up slowly. There weremarkers along the way that if people

(25:47):
had been able to read the secretcode, they would have been able to
perhaps do an intervention earlier than allowingit to get to a point where it
became incredibly evident, to the pointyou couldn't ignore it. Yeah, I
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in my shoes. Now, whatare their lifestyles? So we're talking about
rest and relaxation, understanding your stressresponses, reducing your stress responses. I
love that you mentioned breathing because Ithink a lot of people don't realize they
even live their life breathing very shallow, and that causes tension in itself.

(28:11):
If you breathe in the upper partof your chest all the time. If
you watch a baby breathe, theirwhole belly moves. When you watch like
a little baby sleeping, you'll seethe whole. So let's share a few
other tips that you have for peopleto be able to a maybe hopefully never
fall into the true blown autoimmune disease, or be some ways to mitigate some

(28:33):
of the symptoms that you've seen withcandida specifically or just generally. Oh,
let's go generally and then we'll doomit our candata. There's lots of different
things. I think movement is akey piece of it as well. And
I find when my clients might havearthritis, they're in a lot of pain
some of the time and they stopmoving. But actually moving can really help

(28:56):
even with a condition like our writers. It can keep the joints liver and
actually muscle mass is really important.There's more and more research around muscle mass
and the effect that it has onthe immune system, and it's never too
late to do that either. Istarted strength training in my mid thirties and
I absolutely love it, and thatwas probably part of my recovery as well.

(29:19):
So just lifting some weights as muchas you don't overdo it, but
gaining muscle mass as much as youcan, because when women get into their
forties and fifties, doing a lotof cardiovascular exercise probably isn't the best thing
for you at that stage. It'sbetter to be lifting weights, doing weight
bearing exercise like pilats. So Ithink that's a key piece of it,
the movement, and I don't thinkit's overlooked, but I think people think

(29:42):
more about walking or doing cardiovascular exercisewhen you talk about movement, whereas actually
stretching, weight bearing strength training isalso absolutely vital to your body. And
as I said, when you havemore muscle mass, you're generally healthier,
you have less adipose tissue in andof itself is inflammatory. So inflammation is

(30:04):
a trigger for autoimmune conditions. Sowe want to make sure that we're minimizing
anything that can im cause information inour body. And actually moving and going
outside and walking in nature can helpwith your stress response as well. That's
a way to get more movement intoMovement is a key piece. I have
this reset approach that I use inmy clinic and I'm also creating a new

(30:30):
program around it as well. Butthe key areas that I always look at
arrest is number one. That isnumber one, because I think that's the
one that's missing the most. Eat, sleep. We talks about both those
two empower and that's about knowing yourbody and yourself and knowing what works for
you, because what I get fromlots of people, clients and people in

(30:51):
my community is that they feel overwhelmed. There's all this information and they don't
know if cal's good for them,or they don't know if they should be
eating meat, or they don't knowif they should be doing a gut reset
protocol. And the truth is it'sgoing to be different for everyone. So
the more you understand your body andhow things affect you, that more empowered
you are in your own health,and you don't need to start googling things

(31:15):
or taking the latest supplement or anythinglike that. Once you know your body,
you're going to know what works foryou. So that's the E.
And then T is train and trainis about strength training or moving or just
making sure that you're getting some physicalactivity in your life whatever you enjoy as
well. Don't push yourself into doingsomething you don't enjoy. You might enjoy

(31:37):
team sports obviously, if injuries arerisk for you, then that might not
be the right thing. But thenyou get the connection and the social being
social and being around people as well. I suppose that is something that I
haven't really mentioned. Connection and makingsure that you understand your values in life
and being aligned to them is absolutelyvital too. And I know that I

(31:59):
was a bit off probably in myearly thirties when I was at the worst
of my health and my autommune conditionand my chronic fatigues that it's worse,
and I just feel like I wasa bit off track with my life.
I was devoting many hours to mycareer. And I'm not saying that's a
bad thing, and I love whatI tune now and devote lads of time
to what I do now, butI'm doing something I feel far more aligned

(32:20):
to. But as a result ofthat, I wasn't seeing my close friends
as regularly as I'd like to.I wasn't seeing my family, but not
as regularly as i'd like to.But now I really prioritize those things because
they mean so much to me.The connection with the people I love,
and that's made a big difference,and my dogs. Of course, It's
fascinating. There's so much to unpackthere. One of the things I wanted
to comment on is on training ormovement, any of those things. Is

(32:45):
it beyond but help move the lymphsystem. So that's the garbage takeout guy,
that's the garbage person of your system. It helps move the limp and
cleans out toxins in your system.It helps strengthen the fashion and the connective
tissue. So there's so many thingswe think about and was saying, oh,
but Sharon, my hands hurt tomove what I have found for me,

(33:07):
and it's worth a try and keepingit within your ability is Sometimes different
positions will hurt more than others.So one time I found I was sitting
so much that it hurt when Isat. But when I stood up and
moved a little bit, and that'sjust gently walking from one room to another
or something, I was like,Oh, there was some relief there.

(33:28):
And so I want to encourage everybodythat it doesn't have to be go get
a gym membership right after you leaveour show, go get a gym membership.
Just take your time and build intoit. But I have found that
the movement part has so many morebenefits than building muscles. Important, but
it has so many more health benefits. Yeah, one hundred percent. The

(33:50):
fashion point is huge because, asI said, I think the fact that
I was connecting with other women wasa key piece with the Plasi's course that
I did. But actually it doeshelped to release fascia, and at the
point of even when I started todo my instructor course, I could hardly
do weight bearing on my wrists.They were so inflamed and I had ganglions
as well, so they were fairlydeformed at the time. But I just

(34:14):
found other things that I could do, and actually even going to Plata's reformer
class, which could seem very scaryif you've got risk problems, I would
go and they would just adapt theclassing. I wouldn't do certain things and
do other things instead. So maybethat's still a little bit intense for you,
but there are definitely things that youcan do, and if you have
got pain, then work around thatrather than just completely not doing anything.

(34:37):
But I know it's easy said thandone. I know my risks were extremely
painful. I had pain in myhip. I had issues with my anples
to the point that they were swelling, and at that point I really couldn't
do much. And that's when Ireally need to focus on debt and nourishment
and Epsen salt baths and rest andrestoration. That's where movement, maybe just

(34:58):
something very gentle, is going tobe far better. But you'll be surprised
you can work your way to havingquite a strong body. It just depends
really what's at the root of yourauto imine condition, at the roots of
the information. But hopefully once you'veaddressed that, you may see that your
joint strength and your muscle strengthen.So yeah, I hope I wasn't sounding
some muscle with my claft. Certainlynot. But I just I do like

(35:21):
strength training, but I don't reallylift massively heavy weights. But I'm pretty
proud of myself for getting to thatpoint after having point fatigues in Rome.
Oh. Absolutely. And the otherpart of one of the things Vijo was
mentioning everybody was to me, Isee the combination and that's know yourself,
know your body. And she wasmentioning it somewhat in terms of diet and

(35:43):
things like, no, what youcan't eat, what you can't eat,
and it's different for everybody. Butthe other part of that was, I
mean I did try pilates. Inow have a plates instructor and I do
an independent class, but I wentthrough several pilates instructors because some of them
were real gung ho and I waslike, no, you know what,
I wish I could have been likethat, but it ain't working and I'm

(36:07):
not going to go there. Andhaving the courage to stand up and either
a say, know that you're doingthe best you can in the situation and
you'll get there if that's where youwant to go. But also knowing find
the right person to guide you iscritically important. I think I went through
four other pilates instructors before I foundthe one who was right for me.

(36:29):
Now she may not be right foreverybody, but you know what, she
was right for me. And Iwant to encourage people even say that it's
okay to fire your doctors if they'renot listening to you. It's okay to
fire your pilates instructor. Maybe firesfire doctors is too strong a word,
but it's okay to find people thatwill listen to you and you're specific because

(36:52):
it's really hard. I know fromthe opposite side, from the medical professional
side, when someone presents, especiallyan autoimmune, the symptoms of the same
condition can present so differently in eachindividual that I like to call it a
game of medical whack. I'm allfor a physician or expert or specialists who's

(37:14):
trying to figure it out along withthe person who's going through those crazy symptoms.
Yeah, yeah, I completely agree, and I've been through that as
well, Taran, where I've beenat a class and I said, the
instructors trying to motivate you to dothings, and I can't do this,
especially when I had fun and fatigue. I just had a point where I

(37:34):
literally couldn't do it anymore, likemy body is just giving up. And
yeah, I had to start avoidingthose types of classes. And I still
actually do get quite nervous going toa group class where I know I'm not
in control of how much I'm doing. It's just come from that time in
my life where I was pushed throughand then I would literally crash for five

(37:57):
days and feel like I had theflume and I felt howle and the amounts
of classes that I canceled because I'dwake up in the morning and I'd be
like, I can't I can't go. I just feel so poorly. But
it was just que not just butit was chronic fatigue. I didn't have
anything, I didn't have an illness, but that's what one of those classes
would do. It would just flowme. So yeah, it's definitely worth

(38:20):
working with somebody who understands chronic illnessand understands or well hopefully understands autoimmune disease
as well. And when I'm nowtraining with people, I generally train with
people who have an awareness of whatit means to have chronic fatigue syndrome or
what it means when you've had jointissues in the past, because they take
it at the right pace and theydon't push you into doing anything that you're

(38:42):
not comfortable with. Yes, definitelydo not want of one of those gung
hos. Just fifty more pounds inyour like, yeah, I know I
felt after half a pound in It'sokay to set boundaries there you want.
I find people and it's a goodthing. I'm not knocking it, but

(39:04):
I'm just saying I've never seen itreally work that we get self fed up
with. Okay, I am tiredof being tired. I am tired of
it. I'm tired of that.I'm going to change my life and radically
jump into the deep end of thepool and then maybe we make it luckily.
Let's say three or four days andthen you crash for two weeks.

(39:24):
My comment is that worth Let's dothis systematically and build up to it to
where we can keep the momentum going, because if you've just exhausted every last
little tidbit in those few days ofgoing gung ho, I'm going to get
I'm really going to get healthy,which is wonderful. I'm not knocking that.
I'm just saying, consider the pacingof it. Yeah, give eighty

(39:49):
leave twenty percent in the tank,because you're going to need it for the
most part, especially if you havean inflammatory condition. And something I learned
actually along the way, I didsome genetic variation testing and I often run
this with my clients as well,and it's in my IL six gene,
so I intleeven six, which isa cidochime which can promote inflammation, and

(40:09):
it can particularly promote inflammation after exercise. So even now when I'm exercising,
I'll be very conscious of making surethat I'm getting my antioxidants in because I
know that I'm more prone to inflammationfrom exercise. And I still have that
in the back of my mind whenI'm doing anything, which maybe isn't the
best thing, but I think itprobably is. It's the empower point is

(40:31):
know yourself. So I'm always veryconscious of that because I know, inflammation
can be something that could cause meto go into a flat or another condition
or something else, and so I'mvery mindful of that, and I think
it's just good to be aware ofthat that for some people, actually exercising
itself can create inflammation, but onlywhen we do too much of it,

(40:52):
and we don't know what that toomuch is because it's going to be dependent
on you. So I couldn't evengive you a time or type of exercise.
You just need to understand your ownlimits. And I think that recovery
time is a really good thing tocheck in on. So once you've done
some exercise, if you feel okayin the morning or especially even after the

(41:13):
exercise, it gives you energy ratherthan completely depletes you. If it starts
really depleting you, you're doing toomuch, or if it's taking you days
to recover, you've done too much. So just start scaling it back until
you feel good after it and youalso recover pretty quickly. And this may
sound totally boring and tedious, however, I suggest keeping journal, a little

(41:35):
workout journal of what you did andhow long you did it, and a
that gives you a success marker youcan pull a gold star buy it.
WHOA, I went out and Idid this today. But also then like
how you're feeling two hours, fivehours the next day? Okay, I
still felt good. I'm going toredo that. Maybe I can put five
percent more effort into it, orten percent more time into it, or

(41:58):
another quarter of a mile walk,whatever it is. But I like that
because you can look back where youwere and where you are now, and
you can go, who good forme, But you can also see the
pattern of Okay, as long asI keep doing it at this rate,
whatever that rate is, I'm notcrashing and burning for two weeks and losing

(42:20):
all the momentum I had. Andthen maybe that day where you're like and
you just stretch it one little extrabit and then you'll see the pattern like,
oh okay, yeah I did seeI started to get inflamed and things
like that. So maybe dial itback one degree or something like that.
But I'm a big believer in watchingthe patterns because it helps you know your
body. So when you're talking tosomeone else, a professional on some other

(42:45):
thing, when you know your bodybest, it's very simple then to say,
you know what, that doesn't workfor me. How about if we
do this, can we adapt whatyou just said to this? Yeah exactly.
Yeah, I really like that idea. I think with anything where we're
working on it or changing or hopingto progress with something, keeping a journal

(43:07):
can really help. And I lovethe fact that you can celebrate at the
end if you've got a bit further, or if you've met the goal that
you were looking to achieve, whateverthat is for you, Absolutely celebrate big.
I'm a gold stargirl, so thatworks for me. And it's cheap,
although it's hard to find gold starsanymore, but anyway, that's grown

(43:27):
after they were everywhere, the littlestickers for everywhere. Yeah, I know,
but do celebrate whatever that is whenyou meet certain milestones. Maybe it's
They can be as simple as atthe height of my muscle weakness, just
walking outside and going down to theend of the black and back was a
big woo who And I think nowthat I can walk several miles. But

(43:51):
you're like, wow, I didthat. Yeah exactly. And I find
that with my clients they will cometo me and sometimes I will say I've
failed, and I feel so sadwhen they come and say that to me,
because they've maybe had a day wherethey maybe just I don't know,
didn't do much and just ate thefood that they didn't want to eat,

(44:12):
or something happened and they failed becauseof that one day. But actually,
we should really be focusing on thesethings that we're achieving, however, small
progress, rather than thinking of thethings that haven't gone so well. As
long as you're moving forward, that'sthe main thing. And that's why I
think celebrating each week. I sendemails every week to my clients, check
in with them, ask them tocelebrate their wins, because otherwise we can

(44:37):
just get lost in this failure mindsetand you haven't failed at all. You've
probably done really well. It's likemy to do list seems to get quite
long, and I just think aboutthe things I haven't done. But actually
when I look at it, I'mlike, look at all the things I've
ticked off. I should be celebratingthose things rather than just thinking about the
things that I haven't got to yet. So yeah, I think we need

(45:00):
to switch on mentality a bit,especially when it comes to progressing with your
health, and treat yourself like yourown best friend. Think about if your
best friend did what you've done,how would you treat them, would you
say they'd failed, or would yoube congratulating them and do that to yourself
as well? Absolutely two things cometo mind with that. I remember this
was a few years ago, andI had been doing quite well on a

(45:22):
really good trajectory of continuing to improve, how I was feeling, the information
markers, all of that, andthen I'm not sure what the trigger was,
but something happened and I had aflare. And this was before I
learned to track those sorts of things, so at the time I didn't know
what the trigger was. But Igot fairly sick, not as sick as
I had been, but it wasnoticeable. And I went to my medical

(45:44):
professional and I was lamenting, andI've failed, I've had this flare,
poor me. And she made thiswonderful metaphor. She said, Sharon,
when I met you, you weredown in this really deep valley digging a
big hole. And when I metyou, you were just digging this hole.
And now we've climbed this mountain andyou've slipped one little foot on the
mountain. You are not in thathole. Having that little metaphor that I

(46:08):
had just slipped back and stuff,who was really important to remind me.
Yeah, exactly, and that's whatkeeping track of it. That's where I
started keeping a little more meticulous trackof it. And yeah, there are
days I forget. Even just beingable to see the broader pattern is really
helpful in healing. And I lovethe idea that you send emails and what

(46:29):
would you do for your best friend? Because what comes to my mind.
One of the ment things you mentionedwas about eating a food. And I
have comfort foods and I know whatthey are and some of them do trigger
gas runtestinal events that I don't like. But just even being aware, I
am craving my comfort food. Ohokay, what's going on in your world

(46:51):
that's making that's driving this craving?What do you need to change to be
comforted instead of going and eating yourcomfort food? To me, it was
like a duh moment when a professionalsaid, I said, I'm craving my
comfort food and why are you needingcomfort? What's going on in your world
that's behind the need for the comfortfood. It seems like a dull kind

(47:15):
of question. No, but it'sso true. And I think we all
miss this, that we're just cravinga food. But I'd probably say at
least seventy five percent of the timewhen we have those craving Actually, there
is more research coming out about thegut microviome, even candida around that causing
us to crave food. But oftenwe're doing it because of some comfort or

(47:37):
because we feel like we deserve atreat at the end of a hard day
at work, or there is thatreason around it. And I know there
are things that I love to dowhich probably aren't the most productive, but
I like to read a magazine.So instead of going and eating some comfort
food, I'll now make a cupof tea, like a nice cup of
purple seahich I actually absolutely love.Now I get quite obsessed with things that

(48:00):
even even healthy things, and reada magazine and that to me is comfort.
Or have an EPs and salt bathand just spend thirty minutes listening to
whatever I'm listening to, like apodcast or an audio book, and that
to me, now I'm realizing whenI need comfort, or going and giving
somebody I love a cuddle, orstroking my dog, that to me,

(48:22):
I realize is actually what I'm needingbecause I had a high stress day,
or I've done something which caused alot of stress and I'm now feeling the
relief from it, or maybe somebody'supset me. It can be various reasons,
but I know now, okay,I need to catch that. I
don't need to go any a loadof beige food. Normally some more of

(48:45):
a beige food for me. Ireally like refined carbohydrates. I'm not really
into sugar, but I like refinedcarbo hydrates, which generally ends up being
the same thing in the body anyway. But yeah, instead I'll do one
of these things that makes me feelgood. Actually, plant is as part
of that as well. So havinga list actually is quite a good idea
because in those moments, it's justeasy to just go off track, and

(49:09):
if you do, don't feel guiltyabout it. We all have those moments,
and one little moment like that,or even a couple of moments like
that in your week isn't that biga deal. But when you've got a
list of the things, or justactually finding out what do you like doing.
I asked a lot of clients thatwhat you love to do? They
don't know. They've forgotten to havingthat list of things that make you feel

(49:30):
happy, make you feel loved,make you feel comfortable, make you feel
safe, and just looking at thatlist when you're not feeling great is just
a good thing to do. Andthen actually, I'm just going to sit
and have a cup of tea,read a magazine and just sit here for
fifteen minutes or half an hour andhopefully that moment will then pass and you
can get on with your day oryour night. Absolutely, and I can

(49:52):
hear the mom voice in my headfrom decades ago when I was mom of
young ones. Yeah, having ahalf an hour by myself, but that's
called boundaries. And even young childrencan understand that mommy needs fifteen minutes or
mommy needs half an hour and havetheir conversation of when this happens, this

(50:13):
is going to be how it workshere. Because that was my first thought.
I was like, oh, whenI had young kids, that would
have been nice. But having thoseconversations with your loved ones, including small
people, young people, they understandgetting them involved. I know some of
my clients will do not the fullyoga but might do a little yoga class

(50:34):
or happy chill out time so youcan do it together as well, or
maybe do some cooking together, andthat might not be the relief or the
comfort you need, but actually doingthose things with the people that you love
can be very relaxing and comforting.Absolutely, And we're just about out of
time, and as the audience knows, I always go ten, gentle.
I did want to ask one quickquestion about sugar cravings. Is that a

(50:59):
sign of candida? And then Ialso want you to share more about the
work that you do and your wonderfulblog and podcast as well. So back
to my question, is sugar cravinga sign of candida? Yeah, sugar
craving has been shown to be asign of candida. Candida actually ferments sugars
in the body as well, andthere is a strange symptom that can occur

(51:22):
when somebody has candida overgrowth and theyhave sugar, is that it can ferment
and they can almost feel this drunkfeeling or they can end up experience some
form of brain fog. So thatis just something to look out for.
So it's quite interesting. I talkabout that and write about it about that
in my blog as well if peoplewant to find out more about this very

(51:44):
strange symptom that you can get fromcandida. But they do link it to
sugar cravings. So if that isone of your symptoms, plus some of
the other things that we've mentioned,like the coating on the tern, the
issue with the nails, the itchyskin, bringing it all together and candida
might be at the root of it, it might be something to look into.
It's funny that you mentioned that aboutthe kind of drunk feeling. Years

(52:06):
ago, I read a story itwas hard to believe. A young man
was pulled over for drunk driving andhe didn't drink and they found out it
was some sort of intolerance. Sohe must have had something like candida to
cause that feeling. That's fascinating,Yeah, because I'm not sure what they
test. Actually, it's as totell the hide, which is the byproduct
when the sugar is fermented, it'sby product in alcohol as well, so

(52:29):
that's creating the body through both candidaand alcohol, and so I wonder if
that's the thing that's tested. Sothat would be high but obviously it's normally
to do with drinking alcohol, butyou can have a similar effect from candida
as well. So yeah, thatis interesting. I'll have to look up
that case. Yeah, it's beena while ago. Let's see if I
can find it for you. ButI was like wow. At first,

(52:51):
I thought that's a novel excuse,but perhaps it really is true. So
VJ, you have an amaze usingarray of talents and insights in your blog
and your podcasts are fantastic as wellas your own work, So please share
with us what you do and thenI'll tell us about your podcast and your

(53:12):
blog. I specifically work with clientswith autoimmune disease, as I mentioned,
and I have a functional medicine basedpractice in the UK, but I work
internationally. I've got virtual clinic,the Automate Nutritionist. I work once on
with clients normally over a three monthhealth transformation package, which can include functional
testing like store testing that I mentionedor the organic acids test. Can really

(53:36):
help to get to the root ofthe issue. It's not always one thing,
but it gives us that extra layerof information so that you don't have
to do as much trial and errorwhen it comes to therapies around auto immune
conditions and their symptoms. I alsohave my blog which is on my website
as well, and you'll find myfreely resources over there. I've got the
auto Meta Recovery Plan, which isa five step plan that you can take

(54:00):
action on today and it will justgive you some areas that you can work
on for your health. I alsohave my podcast, the Auto Meine Reset,
where I'm sharing lots of different informationabout different auto immune conditions. I
have my Friday five where I sharefive insights or five tips every Friday,

(54:20):
so it's just a very short episode, and then I have guests on,
so talking about different conditions, wetalk about different areas as well. Exercise
has been one of the things wefocused on. Have had life coaches on,
and I've had people who have hadauto immune disease and have come out
the other side and been able toreverse a symptoms. So I love having
guests on. And you find outso much from people, don't you when

(54:44):
you're interviewing them. And it's areal passion project for me, my podcast.
I hope people enjoy it. Iwas inspired by you in your podcast
and everything you do. I alwaysI've listened to your podcast for a long
time, as I think I mentionedbefore, and I've gained so much knowledge
from listening to it. So thankyou, Sharon. I appreciate that.

(55:04):
Oh, thank you. Thank youfor Jay and her podcast is great and
You're right. There is something aboutwhat I call survivor to thriver stories.
When I hear them make me feellike, oh, I'm not alone now,
Not that I want other people tosuffer, but it gives me this,
oh hope, the faith that itcan change. When I hear these
wonderful survivor to thrivers stories, it'sjust, oh, other people have gone

(55:29):
through it, so maybe someone elsecould understand what I'm going through, because
oftentimes when you get a diagnosis,you can feel so alone. Yeah you
really can. Yeah, because whensomebody hasn't been through it, they probably
don't realize, especially with things likeworn and fatigue, and they come with
quite invisible illnesses as well, theydon't realize how it's impacting you. And

(55:50):
sometimes you just don't really want toexplain the extent of things. You just
want to carry on and say itdoesn't affect your job and other things in
your life. But yeah, Ilove hearing people's stories. It really helps
me as well. Wonderful. Soeveryone, that's VJ. Hamilton, and
I'm going to read it carefully becauseI stumble over your website for some reason.
It's the Autoimmunity Nutritionist dot com.So I subscribe for reading that so

(56:16):
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be up at Understanding Autoimmune as aclickable link too, so if you weren't
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(56:36):
We've doubled in size. We're stilla small site on YouTube, but I
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our subscriber base, and so thankyou so much for those of you who
have subscribed to the show, andif you haven't yet subscribed, please do
because that helps us bring our messageand wonderful people like I've met VJ all
the way from the UK who understandautoimmunity and make a stronger community and bring

(57:02):
more awareness to the world about thiscondition. Because I don't have all the
stats, but I believe there area large number of people who are walking
around with undiagnosed autoimmune conditions and ifwe can help them bring awareness and greater
health, that's what we're all about. So thank you VJ for being on
the show, and everyone have agreat week whatever your adventures, and join

(57:25):
me next week for another brand newepisode. Thanks so much for having me.
Absolutely VJ anytimeh just love all yourinsights.