When Food Labels Lie

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
That feeling of relief. That's something I often use with intuition,
even when if someone is considering something going, when you
consider that this course rather than that one, how do
you feel and when people say relieve. Yes, that's one
of the ways our intuition is saying, who this feels good?
That's remarkable.

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Speaker 3 (01:19):
Welcome everyone to the Autoimmune Hour. I'm Sharonsaylor from Sharonsailor
dot com and it's my honor and pleasure to be
with you here on another brand new episode. And I'm
really excited about this episode because I reached out to
our dear friend and returning guest, she's one of our
superstar guests, Bev Martin, because I'll tell you what, I've
had a couple of crazy dreams lately and I felt

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like my intuition was trying to talk to me in
those and they turned out to be pretty close, pretty
spot on. I'll tell Bevin you about those in a
little bit. But I reached out to Bev because I thought,
how does our intuition talk to us? That was my question.
Is this just a crazy weird dream bat b movie
dream whatever, or was it really trying to say something

(02:04):
to me? And let me introduce Bab if you don't
know her yet, and you can always find out all
her other episodes over at Understanding Autoimmune dot com. And
I'm going to read her bio because I want to
get it right for you guys, beb Martin. She is
a natural and trained intuitive, a certified professional coach, a
member of ICF International Coaches, a Master Practitioner of NLP

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and help and a certified facilitator of Clean language and
sabotic modeling and a certified hypnotherapist. And she is amazing.
She is so awesome about understanding the unspoken, the unseen
and what does it all mean? So be thanks for
being on the show. You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Thank you, Sharon. It's always fun. I learn a lot
in our conversations, So thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Oh so do I. And as I mentioned to you,
when I coerced you, I didn't have to coerce our lives.
She's always up for some fun. I wanted to know,
from your our point of view, Bob, how does our
intuition talk to us.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
In so many ways? In our intuition is running all
the time, and when we stop and listen, which I
advocate for actually just stopping and listening and saying what
is it that I know? Then intuition. We have a
relationship with intuition, and it works well. Sometimes when we're
busy having a busy life and we forget to do that,

(03:25):
intuition has to get louder. It's regrettable when that happens,
because intuition getting louder sometimes is things happening to stop
us to get our attention to make us slow down,
or it's finally, oh, something like really attention getting instead
of listening to it at a whisper. Now it has
to become a shout. And intuition is there all the time.

(03:48):
We know what we know, it's just it's a thread
running through and we just stop listen in what is
it that I know or paying attention to it. What's
happening when I think about the my gut got tight?
What's that about? Intuition is working all the time, and
it's a smart idea to listen.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
So it can be something besides that small voice in
your head saying something that.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
You're like, what yes, oh yes, and can be synchronicities
and at night so often a dream can also be
a way of our intuition reaching us because we're in
the best position that chatterbox logical mind that thinks it's
the boss of everything. It's sleeping, so the intuition says, Okay, finally,

(04:35):
here's something I think you could know.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, I've had some wild dreams lately
that were pretty intense that had me wondering, Now I'm
going to share. When I think Bob knows this story.
It was a while ago. I had a dream and
it was very vivid, and I've never had this happen before.
It was like both of my eyes were arguing with
each other, and I was the observer of my my

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eyeball's arguing. It was very strange. I tell you, guys,
community it was. It drilled down to this concept of
the ride. I was mad at the left eye and
it kept saying you should have seen it coming, you
should have seen it coming. I woke up with a start,
one of those times where you're like, wake up with
a start and you're like, wow, that was interesting. I

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felt relieved afterwards for some reason. It was just like, okay,
I guess that needed to be said. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
That was wow, amazing, And I think that feeling of
relief that's something I often use with intuition, even when
if someone is considering something going, When you consider that
this course rather than that one, how do you feel?
And when people say relieved, Yes, that's one of the
ways our intuition is saying, whoo, this feels good. That's remarkable.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
What's strange. My eye doctor confirmed there had been a
change to my eyesight afterwards, which thought was rather strange,
And I did tell the eye doctor the story. She says,
that's one of the weirder things I've heard. But I
can't say that it didn't hint your eyes, because here's
the proof.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I love it. Amazing. Dreams are remarkable as a way
of getting our attention. We can solve a problem in
a dream. Apparently the person who invented the sewing machine
was trying to figure out that everything else figured out
this was whenever in history, long time ago, and was
trying to figure out how the needle worked because most needles,

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the part that you thread was at the top and
the point he end was at the bottom. And this
was a real challenge to how to automate a needle
like that. And apparently, if I think hard, I'll remember
the name of the inventor. Had a dream in which
he was surrounded by villagers who were going to spear him,
and he noticed that the spears that they had the

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hole was at the bottom. It solved the problem of
inventing a sewing machine. So often, when our conscious mind
is like noodling on something in the peacefulness of the
dream state, when we're not thinking too hard, we're actually
in a different state. These ideas come. My husband had
a dream solve a problem that he didn't even know

(07:12):
he had. So quite some years ago we were living
in this house. He gets up in the morning and
he says, I've just got to go and look in
the garbage. I'm like, okay. He goes and digs in
the garbage. Bitch, let us leeves banana peals. Not a
fun little dig. This is his wallet. He had a

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dream that said, you threw away your wallet. It's in
the garbage. He didn't even know it was missing, and
the dream said, go get it. Like, how does that work?

Speaker 3 (07:44):
I don't know. Is that intuition telling us that you
threw away your wallet?

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I think it's the unconscious mind. Sure, so what I
love about the fact that he wasn't thinking where did
I put it? He was not involved at all, that
deeper sense of intuition and the unconscious mind that must
have been there when he accidentally tossed it in. We're
just like replaying that to him, fortunately before the big
truck came and took the garbage away.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
I just have a quick question, though. I know I've
had NLB training too, so I just want your insights
on this. I remember vaguely they were talking about how
our eyes see it all and our brain gathers all
that data. But I'm butchering this, but basically we only
filter out what we could what we're using right then

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and there. So if you needed to remember all the
license plates in front of you while you're driving or something,
I guess that data is there. But it's a matter
of data recall.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Too much information, yes, and yet it's there. So in hypnosis,
I think the same thing happens where say we've seen
in the crime dramas when you do need to recall
the name of the license plate. Apparently it is possible
for someone in deep hypnosis to go through those steps
and recall the bits that the logical mind is filtered out.
As I necessary. We're remarkable human beings, We really are remarkable,

(09:05):
and so I think the dream state is a friendly
place in which the unconscious mind can give us a nudge,
can give us insight about something, or heads up about something,
or even a dress rehearsal. There's been stories about people
when they come to an event in the real life. Oh,
I remember this, This is what I did in my dream.

(09:25):
But it turned out well. So it's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
That's beyond fascinating too, because I guess how do we
filter out I know we're talking about intuition too, but
I love this dream. Maybe they're all useful, but the scary,
yuckie dreams versus the playful whatever dreams versus the ones
that are useful, not say the wallet one was pretty
intense practical. I've had practical dreams too. I'm curious do

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we have to sit there and mall over the ones
were low. I don't know if I that was one
of a scary roller coaster ride. Maybe I don't want
to relive that one or something.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Probably not, because sometimes my understanding is and I'm not
an expert in how the mechanics of the brain, but
sometimes it's a way to discharge energy that was built
up during the day. And I think dreams use metaphor,
and I love metaphor. A dream can discharge energy. Say,
we really did want to punch someone in the face, right,

(10:27):
We don't have to actually do it if in our
dream we get to do it, or we get to
see it being done and have I'm happy to have
had that happen, even though no one got harmed. In
the course of this thing. So I think it's just
it's energy that wants to go in a certain direction.
It uses metaphor to get our attention. We could be
curious about the metaphor. I wonder what that means? What

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else could it mean? And I'm careful not to say
it has a meaning as if it were to portend anything.
Even though a dream can often give us a hint
of a future event, we don't want to be like,
what does the dream mean? But really, what does it
mean to me? With There are people who do specialize
in helping someone unpack a dream, and they're very careful

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also not to say your dream means, but to say,
if it were my dream, I would wonder about that
fox or so it's almost like using symbolic modeling meta
for work to unpack a dream.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
I find this fascinating because I've told the story numerous
times on the show about I kept going mulling over
should I fire this doctor or not? Shoul I fire
this doctor or not? And it was just a little
that I just find this fascinating that listening to ourselves,
trusting ourselves, being safe within ourselves has been critically important

(11:45):
to my healing, and my understanding all sorts of things
is that even like intuitions poking.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Us, I believe so because it's a way. It's a
way that it's getting our attention in some way it's
a friendly place because it's just a dream. But we're
paying attention to something in a way that maybe we
couldn't attend to in our regular working day. Something is
becoming conscious that was so deeply unconscious we couldn't see it.

(12:13):
So it's remarkable. And so paying attention to dreams in
the same way as we would to any kind of
intuitive events is to get curious, to say, what if
I've had six dreams in a row in the last
several nights, was there a theme? Or how come every
dream is talking about? You get curious about if your
dreams were wanting to get your attention, what is it

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they'd like me to know? And you can't ask them.
And the same way, even if the dreams are unclear
to you, but you feel like something's trying to get
through to you, you can interview your intuition or you're
unconscious by asking what is it that you'd like to
have me?

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Now?

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Of course by them, I would ask spirit guides and teachers.
But it's the same idea. I believe there's a message
for me somewhere, and I'm battling to get it. What
is it that something greater than me would like to
have me?

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Know?

Speaker 1 (13:00):
What would I like to have myself? Now, many years ago,
there was a time when my own brain was in
a great fear. I was in lack consciousness and very concerned,
and I was really looking for a rescue, and my
rescuer was on their way. And the night before the rescue,

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my dream showed me what in South Africa we would
call a ladder in your stocking, but here we call
it a run. And it showed me a run, and
I it just in the dream. I knew run from
this is not a rescue. Run. In the dream, I
was trying to mail letters and all sorts of shenanigans

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was happening with that. But that whole thing was run.
So even though here came the rescue, I knew to
say no, and thank god I did. So that was
just from a run. And my sense is there must
be a part of us that already has that knowing
intuitively that the dream comes and confirms. I think it's

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seldom that something completely out of the blue would come
in a dream unless some part of us was open
to it or had considered it as an option.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Sometimes my dreams, though, are I'm not clear what they're
talking about all the times, and I like the idea
that you said interview, the dream now come in such
a metaphor, like thinking about the idea of run now.
You and I are obviously, I know you're younger than me,
but the same age where there were a thing such
as stockings that younger people don't know if my granddaughter

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even know what they were, nor the word run yees.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
So it will be subjective in the same way I
feel like your intuition talks to you in your language.
It would be that way for you, or an image
and a dream that would have a certain meaning from
an experience. At pervotal times in my life, I noticed
a theme in the dreams. And these dreams might have
been five seven years apart, but I thought, huh, so

(15:08):
do we have time? Shall I go into it? Yeah?
So I noticed that whenever anything big was happening in
my life, I dreamed of big animals. When I was
changing my life considerably, making a huge change my dream
was of trying to get a baby elephant across a

(15:28):
busy main street and I was battling with this eli
he was having a ball, and so like significant dream,
and then all went well, but I was aware of, Okay,
this is the enormity of the change you're making. It
helped a lot to have the dream. And then years later,
almost forgetting about the elephant dream, when I moved to

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the United States and I wasn't allowed to work until
I got my green card, I dreamed of beached whales. However,
they were colorful, smiling like they'd been painted by a child,
and so for me it was like, okay, so this
feeling of being beached, but it's okay, right, the whales
are happy, They're like lying on the beach, go and
this is fine. So it was like interesting to me.

(16:13):
And then not that long after, I dreamed of an
orca and I had met my now husband, but he
was my boyfriend at the time. I dreamed of an
orca jumping out of the waves and spinning and splashing down,
and in the dream, my family and Jim's family were
watching this amazing spectacle and just enjoying it. And I

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woke up I thought, oh, we're getting we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Hang away one.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
It's a wedding and he's the one and both of
our families. So another big animal. So I watch out
for any sizeable animals in my dream and I pay
extra attention. So you can look for a theme. You
can look for the feeling you have when you wake up. Now,
sometimes a yucky dream, you wake up with a yucky feel.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, I've had those before. What the heck that? Did?

Speaker 1 (17:04):
I have a cheeseburger before I went to bed? And
some of those factors could come into play. But I
would say, if you are left feeling uncomfortable or unsettled,
sit with your intuition and interview it. Say is there
something I could know? Is something I could take away
from that? Or was that just a bad night?

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Wow? That's fascinating to me. How we're supposed to just
know and they can come in so many different ways.
I love that you saw the pattern of the big
animals being seems to be tied to big change or
big events or big decisions in your life. Wow, that's fascinating.
I just have fascinated about all of this. We need

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to take a quick commercial break and when we come back.
We're going to talk to boub some more, just about
how do we know our intuition is trying to talk
to us? And I love this idea that dreams too,
because I lately have been having some pretty amazing ones myself.
We'll be right back.

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can our intuition talk to us? Was my main topic,
and I wanted to know also about can our intuition
come through dreams? Because I've had some pretty crazy dreams
lately and I was just fascinated by all of this.

(20:14):
So let me reintroduce bab really quickly. Bev Martin. She's
a natural and trained intuitive, a certified professional coach, a
member of the ICF Coaching Professionals as well as a
Master Practitioner of NLP, and a certified facilitator of clean
language and symbolic modeling and a certified hypnotherapist and bev

(20:34):
this has just been awesome and fascinating about dreams and intuition.
I've been working a lot lately on my autonomic nervous system,
and we've had Sarah Paton on and other experts, and
some of those things are all about our autonomic nervous system.
And I have found how much that plays in wellness
and well being, and if that is dysregulated for any reason,

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things might not be going according to plan. And one
of the things that I've been working on, and I'll
say the external world here, the vivid world, whatever you
want to call it, is letting my intuition know, letting
myself know, letting my autonomic nervous system know that it's safe.
Where I'm now is safe where I used to be
perhaps wasn't or at least my autonomic nervous system didn't

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feel safe there, and really encouraging my autonomic nervous system
to find ways to make it sure that it feels
safe to then know that it's safe for me right now.
I'm working on this feeling. So my autonomic nervous system
knows it's safe that I'm not there anymore. I'm here.
One of the things about the intuition that I wanted

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to bring up was little ways that it talks to me.
And yes, we'll get back to dreams too, where I
know we're wandering all over, but I love Bev. She
runs down rabbit holes with me. I was driving down
a road and this road has four lanes, but the
outside two lanes are super narrow, at least for me.
I feel like I'm going to wipe out somebody's beside

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mirror when I drive this road. I kept hearing my
intuition said, get the other lane, get the other lane,
and I kept arguing, going, I don't want to be
I hate that lane. I don't want to be in
that line. And bam, somebody for the fifth car behind
just piled into all of us and shoved us up
into each other. And I think that was so pronounced,
so hello, and yet I argued with it. It's lesson learned.

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I don't argue when I hear that voice anymore. But
obviously my intuition was talking to me there. But I
still find that fascinating. How I guess I don't know
the mechanics of it.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Over time, when you've had a few experiences like that,
you'll get to know how your intuition lay's sort of
calmly getting the other lane, and over time to practice
knowing the difference between hearing that and worrying, because our
own brain can go, oh, I wonder if I get
in the other lay, oh, I don't like this hill.
But we start to see, okay, there's a difference between

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me me ruminating and that calm, clear voice saying get
in the other lane. And I also believe that we
shouldn't just obey every voice our intuition says. We still
get to say whatever, but results may vary. It's a
relationship rather than the boss of you. But I know
of a client who told me that she had been

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somewhere in the United States in a big post office,
standing in a line, and her intuition said, go to
the bathroom. She said, I don't need to go go
to the bathroom, but I lose my She went to
the bathroom and shots rang out. Everyone was actually okay,
and all was all right. But that then she was like, oh,

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thank you, that's why I was safely in the bathroom.
So I think the more you listen to, the more
you know. When it's like a mother and a child. Okay,
that voice means business, let's not debate, let's just do
It's when do you say that?

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Because that saying get in the other lane. I still
recognize that voice when I ask it yes, And up
until that time, I probably would have not paid attention
to it. But after the accident and now when I've
heard that voice again, it's like your mom's saying your
full name, like your middle name.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
You come here right now. Oh okay, that's that voice.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, yes, okay, that makes sense to me.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
One way to think about it too, it's like it's
a relationship between you, your higher self, your whole purpose for being.
Your intuition is like your GPS guiding your life. It's
not it doesn't know where you want to go. You
say where you want to go, and it says, oh,
I'll help you get there. Let's go here, let's go there.
Who don't marry that man? Come over here. So it

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works that way, and so in the relationship with your intuition,
have conversations and ask questions, but don't ask your intuition
to do your work for you. In other words, don't
ask for answers like a serial Google. Hey, intuition, how
about so you have converse with your intuition and you

(25:09):
ask for insight, help me understand more about such? What
can I know about this? That could be helpful as
long as you know that the buck stops with you
as decision maker. So I don't want to hear from anyone,
certainly anyone I have taught how to use the intuition.
I don't want to ever hear anyone say my intuition said. No,

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you have a relationship. You listen to your intuition, and
then you decide what to do with it. Right, that's discernment.
So we ask for insight. We say thank you for
what it tells us we might need. When I think
of a quest. When we're on a quest, we want
to go somewhere like our GPS we put in the GPS.

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I want to go here. Please help me along the way.
Sometimes people will say to me, I don't hear anything
from my intuition. What are you working on? What are
you learning or where are you growing? And they're like,
I'm waiting for my intuition to tell me. So that's
like saying to the GPS, I'm just going to park,
you tell me where we're going. Doesn't work like that.

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So this is what I would call power keeping in
the relationship with your intuition. And the more that you
keep your own power and engage in the relationship, your
intuition will often be much more willing to communicate with you.
If we just said whatever you tell me I'm going
to do, it's not safe. We wouldn't do that with

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a person. I often tell this sort of silly story
when I teach intuition about discernment, which is about a
woman who was wanting to eat healthily and be well,
and she'd done really very well. She was only eating
like really good, lively fruits and vegetables. And what she
did in discipline was she went down a different street

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than the bakery that she used to go to for donuts.
And this was part of her maintaining her health and
while being doing these different habits. But then one day
she accidentally found herself on that street, right near that bakery,
and she said, God must want me to have some donuts.
And she said, God, if you want me to have

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some donuts, open a parking place right nearby. And what
do you know, the thirty third time she went around
the block there was a parking place. So I'm being
very rude, But that's discernment, is like the difference between oh,
something that must be meant to be compared to my

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intuition is guiding me in this direction, but I still
have the steering wheel.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah. I love that because our last chat was about
good enough thinking where people, especially in the terms of wellness.
I had lots of very interesting conversations with people in
different stages of healing from autoimmune and sometimes I get
to this plateau where they don't have their all their
health back or whatever. They're dealing with numerous things like

(28:13):
juggling many types of things. Now it's that I can
go WHOA could be better Earth. There's all sorts of
interventions possibly, but they're stuck in this good enough thinking.
And that reminded me of the GPS kind of going GPS,
tell me where we're going today, kind of where you
can get to this place in your mind. But it's
certainly not like it was my health, my healing, my whatever.

(28:37):
You know, this is good enough. I'll hang out here.
But I always like to ask myself the question this
isn't my intuition? I ask myself, maybe I don't know.
Are they different? I don't know.

Speaker 7 (28:48):
Anyway, I asked myself seriously, at this place, and you're healing,
you're still giving up an awful lot, and you haven't
even trying to see if you can get there.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Be willing to ask for more. Oftentimes we were afraid
of being disappointed, but that sense of where would I
really like to go? And then pay attention to the
signs along the way? Does my car naturally slow down?
Here is something telling me to change lanes? We pay
attention in that way.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
What's fascinating to me that I'm wondering about though? When
we get to that place of that good enough, this
is good enough thinking. I've had people say I just
want my old life back, and I've always wondered, what
is it? It's sometimes trying to tell us maybe your
old life. I don't understand that concept of my old life.
I really think of all the things I've done since

(29:43):
the diagnosis that would not have happened, and they were
all good things. Yeah, the diagnosis sucks. Okay, I'm not
gonna sugarcoat that part, but yeah, it was it was
a direct turn, quit going one way and took a
very decisive turn. But when somebody says you want your

(30:03):
old life back, I'm like, no, not really, I wouldn't
have met all the amazing people I've met. I wouldn't
be doing the show. This is amazing to me. And
when I encourage people to not get stuck in that
good enough thinking. And that's what your comment about the
GPS and okay, GPS take me somewhere got me thinking about.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
Right.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
So I love to connect questions with quest because you
can interview your intuition. You can ask questions for insight.
As we've said, not necessarily answers because you're the boss
of you, but you can ask questions like, okay, so
this situation, what can I learn from this? Does this
help me to be more of who I am? Or

(30:45):
how can I be sure I am myself given this
situation which would tempt me to perhaps be feel something differently.
So we get to continue to engage with the intuition,
and so think of it as intuition a teacher inside
of us. It's our own inner teacher, and so we
can ask questions to say, what can I know about this?

(31:08):
Or I'm considering this is a response. Do I feel
like hush relief? Yep, that's right. Doesn't mean it's easy,
but it feels right. So our bodies are continually letting
us know when we're in alignment with intuition. And I
make my living from working with intuition. I've made my
life's work. Do I always get it right? No? No,

(31:31):
And there I would say, either asking the wrong question
or being fixed on the answer or the inside we
think we ought to have. So joke's on me. So
here here, I am a person who's very intuitive. I
speak with people who are on the other side. My
sensitivity is part of my work. I didn't know I

(31:53):
was pregnant.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Interestingly, I did not you. But when I my first pregnancy,
I knew within about twenty four to forty eight hours.
Like some I didn't know it was pregnant, though I
knew something was different, something was up right, something changed.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
And see how your sensitivity. You paid attention. You're like,
what is this?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, but I was so young, in naive, I didn't
realize what that meant.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
One thing was going on.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Oh yeah, I know something was going on, And of course,
in the course of a few weeks, oh that's what
that meant.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yes, And that often is the case with intuition, is
you'll have a certain feeling. If your logical mind tries
to get in there and make it logic, often that
makes a mess of it. But afterwards we'll be like, oh,
that's what that was about, or so we can have
rear view more accuracy in hindsight. But that's also useful.

(32:48):
So then the next time you have that sort of feeling,
you hang on a minute, what's going on here? You
ask a question of it. So like for me in
that instance, I kept justifying we'd flown to South Africa.
I kept thinking, Man, I feel terrible. I've never had
jetlag like this before. Had I asked, is this jet lag?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
No?

Speaker 1 (33:10):
I kept going, I kept justifying it. And then it
was time to take malaria tablets to go into an
area to go to look for wildlife, and we have
the tablets on the table, and my body was like, Nope,
you're not taking that. And finally I said, oh, am
I pregnant. Duh. Just a reassurance to everyone who's using

(33:30):
your intuition. It's not completely bullproof, especially if the logical
mind wants to be smart. But yeah, so even that
could happen. But a question helps us on a quest,
a question like is this for my highest good? Does
this help me be more of who I am? Is
there anything else I can understand? In this dynamic, very

(33:52):
open questions that help you to gain insight. Your intuition
is only too happy to assist.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Now I want to tell this full circle and go
back to dreams for a second. So can you ask
the question like right before bad? Yes, and maybe I
don't know, Maybe you won't dream about it then maybe
it's a week later, or maybe never dream about But
and you ask a question before bad when things are
like quiet, you can really focus.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yep, you can say, in my rest, help me to
gain insight about such and such, help me understand d D.
Give me some awareness that will for the highest good.
You absolutely can. It's like an intention. And then have
fun with and be open to all the ways that
your dream can meet you were your intention?

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yes, Oh wow, that's fascinating.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, yeah it is. We're amazing human beings and this engagement,
this connection, asking a question in order to understand more
fully or to be enlightened or to be informed. If
we think of life as a school, and we'll ask
questions in order to learn. There's all the kind of

(35:04):
support for that.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
And speaking of school, one thing I wish I had
done because, as I'd mentioned to you, and I recently
had three very vivid dreams, and one of them I
remember as if it was like in process now. The
other one there's some vague references in the third, while
when I woke up, I was like, wow, I'll never
forget that. I promptly did. So is there benefit to

(35:28):
writing some of these down where you're like, wow, that
was really more vivid than my usual dream, or that
was really more that was different than my usual dream.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Make notes, and ideally make notes before you get up,
so that you're still mostly in that state. Some people
who study dreams say that once you get up, the
dream falls out of your feet. You change your state.
So even have either a voice recorder, will you just
tell it into there or quickly jot down some things,

(35:58):
or if you have someone who's a good listener, in
other words, they just listen, tell your whole dream, because
you'll hear your self tell it, and you'll hear yourself say, oh,
this detail or that detail. But writing is excellent because
you can always go back to it.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
So funny you say that, about four months before my
first grandchild was born, I had a very vivid dream,
very vivid. It was like a whole children's book in
my head, and so much so that at about two am,
I popped out of bed and beb I kidne not.
I went and looked up the url because the name

(36:34):
of the book was in my head, just Pinky Chanel
and the Rainbow Hunters. And it's become a thing. We're
writing a second book now, and it's so funny. What happened, guys,
is I wrote down the story in my head. I
wrote it all down after the dot com was available.
I don't know that's things that I'm thinking twenty years ago,
thirty years ago, we wouldn't have done that. But anyway,

(36:54):
I guess I wanted to look it up because I'm thinking, oh,
that was a really a great story, thinking that I
had unconsciously seen it somewhere or something. What was fascinating
to me was the whole story was in my head.
But then actually putting it into play was not as
easy as it sounded in my head, as it took

(37:15):
four years for the book to come to life and
I'm thinking about that is in our own dreams and
we come up with these things. Like I said, Pinky
Chaniel in my head and what I wrote down was
a great story, but it was not a great children's book.
And so that's fascinating to me. How like the idea

(37:36):
was good, the base was good, but it needed all
this extra fluff and work, yes, and bringing it.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Into the world into a certain way. But there are people,
like a lot of musicians will say they'll wake up
with the tune and get up and write it down
or put capture it in some way. So I love that, Ernie,
did you capture your Pinky Shanil? Here she is in
the world. Came to you in a dream?

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Absolutely? Absolutely. What was interesting is I didn't even know
that I was having a granddaughter. And in the story
there was a little sidekick, a little girl's sidekick to
the story, and that was so fascinating to me. But
like I said, the dream was all there, It was
very clear, at least I thought it was. But actually

(38:24):
to bring it into reality was a whole different ride
that I hadn't expected. A lot of things, a lot
of prison turns that weren't really clear.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Amazing yeah, you still get to navigate it, but I
love how to arrive to you. I'm thinking of how
thinking of this idea of what if a dream could
we miss its meaning? And I was noodling on that
and then thinking about firstly how specific a dream is
to our own lexicon, which is the same way spirit
guides talk to us. Give us a symbol that has

(38:57):
meaning to us that somebody else might not, it'll be
in your own language typically, But even if a dream
metaphor is not clearly spelling out the thing, if you're
in a state of openness to say, boy, that was
a weird dream, is there anything more I can understand
or know from that? Is it something I'm missing? Your

(39:19):
intuition will help you fill in the blanks. And the
reason I'm thinking of that is years ago when I
was teaching intuition in real life in a hotel space
as we used to do before Zoom, I used to
have a pile of photographs and we would play this
game mostly just to loosen up what people thought about metaphor,

(39:40):
and the whole idea was just to have some fun.
And someone would take a photograph and say, ooh, the
message of this card and maybe it was see an
Enemies and the person would just make up a meaning
for the card and we'd all go ooh. It was fun,
part of loosening up our creativity, imagination and intuition. And
one of the classes there was a woman and the

(40:02):
picture on the card was almost nothing at all, was
out of focus, you couldn't really tell, and she went, oh, okay,
I know I'm supposed to give up smoking. And I
remember looking she got that from that, but no, her
intuition it was. That was how she finally decided, Okay,

(40:22):
I will hear what my intuition is telling me. The
picture had nothing to do with anything. That's my reassurance
that even if we can't understand the dream, if we're
open to whatever we're supposed to know, it's going to
come one way or another.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
I had a little hit on that what was fascinating.
So it was all fuzzy and all of that. I
grew up in an air with smoking in the car,
smoking in the elevator, smoking in the doctor's office. I'm
thinking of how as a little child, how fuzzy the
air was down there. It wasn't always crystal clearest sideline

(40:58):
aside in a car when you've got two parents and spoke,
I don't know that was where my mind when you
said it was all fuzzy, I'm like, a good point.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
It just tickled me that somewhere her unconscious mind and
her intuition was lying in wait for any opportunity to
have it. Her conscious mind go Okay, I got it.
So I take that as reassurance said, if we miss it,
your intuition is not going to let you misunderstand something
and not get your message. The more that you can

(41:30):
pay attention, the more that you can quiet the mind
and listen, you're going to get it. You will hear
it or see it or feel it.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
So we've talked about the voices and the feelings and dreams,
and I wanted to throw something out because the other
day it happened to me and I wasn't really clear,
and honestly I regretted I didn't act on it. But
what is deja vou? I have this weird feeling like
I've been here before but I hadn't.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Been yes, or I know just what they're going to say. Yeah,
I honestly can't really explain it, like in science y terms,
but I think most every one of us has had
that experience, and it's so odd, and I think quantum
physicists can say there's no such thing as time on
a line, like everything is happening simultaneously, and it's almost

(42:17):
like a little tear in the space time continuum that
we jump ahead and we're like, oh, I know exactly
what's going to happen here. I'd love to know more,
but I can't shed any more light on it than that, because.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
I was fascinated by so much so that I made
a phone call because it was like it was one
of those moments where I went, wait a minute, I
was expecting bad news. I don't know why, so I
made a phone call and luckily there was no bad news.
So it was just a weird moment. But honestly, even
though I'm happy it didn't pan out, I felt relieved.

(42:53):
And maybe that's part of that autonomic nervous system part
just wanted to feel a safety thing. I don't know,
just just check in, make sure everything's good, and wherever.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
You can breeze. I think that's one of the body's
greatest indicator of all is really well. I have time
to breathe deeply and fully. Everything likes that, our bodies
like it, our intuition likes it, like it's quieting.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Yeah, oh wow, now we're down to about seven minutes.
I see the lucky seven to eleven minutes on and
I wanted to just open it up for we've just
gone a whole wide range. I know it wasn't what
I'd lay the groundwork a little bit for BEV, and

(43:37):
as usual, we just went down numerous rabbit holes. But
what would you like to share with the audience about
trusting their intuition knowing it's intuition and we can even
talk about dreams.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
I would say, have a fun and productive relationship with
your intuition. It's almost like a relationship with a good friend.
That how you have a shorthand with a good friend,
when you talk often and you're up to date with
each other's lives. You could phone and just go, hey,
you don't need a whole preamble. We wouldn't ignore a
friend for fifteen years and then call up and say, hey,

(44:11):
what do you think about such and such? What can
you give me? The answer to be just incredibly rude
and not very productive. So to have a relationship with
your intuition is to take time to consider how am
I feeling about this? What do I know if I knew,
if I knew what it felt to as I walk
in this house? What is it that I know when

(44:33):
I sit with a friend listen as people often want
to be able to hear their intuition as beef up
your hearing, your listening skills with a person right in
front of you, so that you're not expecting yourself to
listen in between the lines and a deeper plane when
just basic listening. So crank up your capacity to listen

(44:54):
you hear between the lines. Have a friendly relationship with
your intuition in which you're tuition absolutely wants the best
for you. She's you're in a teacher. So you treat
your intuition and your perceptions with respect. It doesn't always
matter about like sometimes people are concerned about always being right?

(45:17):
Is my intuition right? I would say, when you're developing
your relationship with your intuition, a more useful question is
it helpful? Is it helpful? Because accuracy is a different thing,
and it puts us in the realm of wrong, good, bad,
mistake insight helpfulness softens it in such a way and

(45:39):
then when we remember that we're the boss of us.
We're inquiring from our intuition, we're asking it to support us,
but the buck stops here with our discernment what we
decide to do. Your intuition can be more freely speaking
with you knowing that you're responsible for what you do
with it. So it's a relationship, and it's a wonder

(46:00):
relationship that helps you to get to know yourself more
fully because spoiler alert, that's our one job to be ourselves.
There isn't a dummies book on how to be you. Particularly,
there isn't a YouTube on how to be you Like
you are discovering the unss of you, and your intuition

(46:22):
is in service of that. So when you become more
of you by listening to your intuition, everybody happy.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
One quick final question. Is it a weird habit that
I always say thank you to my intuition?

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Not at all?

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Okay, that's a friendly relationship and actually say it out loud.
I'll go thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yes, it's a friendly relationship exactly.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
I've been caught saying it out loud and people are like, no, it's.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Part of that respect that includes you and respecting your
perceptions that sometimes there will be something you'll think. I'm
not sure that anyone else could agree with this, but
it's true for me. And so that was in a
respect is there time to talk about a story of
someone recently you had a dream that saved their life?

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Sure, yeah, I go for it.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, And under the guise of respecting your perceptions. This
was a person that's an actor called Mark Ruffalo, who
we all know in love and I don't suppose he'd
call himself particularly intuitive, but apparently while just before giving
birth to their child, he had a dream that and
in the dream, a quiet, calm voice just said to him,

(47:36):
you have a brain tumor. And he was like, that
is and actually he was that as weird. So he
spoke to someone that he trusted and said, I think
I'm going crazy. I had this dream. And the person advised,
and will go and get it checked out, and then
you'll know you're crazy. And it was just a dream
or and you had checked out by a neurologist, and
he did, in fact have a brain tumor, and they

(47:59):
were able to to get to it early and take
care of things. So I say this in that if
he kept saying I had a crazy dream instead, he said, hmm,
what can I know about that? Even though he may
not ever have been considered himself someone who talks to intuition,
I'm so glad he acted on that. And the reason
I mentioned that his wife was due, he didn't want

(48:20):
to worry her until the baby was born and everything,
so he quite privately took care of business. And then
of course he had had the surgery a little bit later,
but quite a calm, clear dream just giving him the
information that he needed.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Wow, that's amazing. So to be able to sort out
all of the different voices in our heads and hear
those that come in calm, clear voices. It's interesting you
say that, because the ones I've had are often that calm,
clear voice. So to me, it's when I hear that

(48:56):
very calm, non argumentative on the jord of just that calm,
clear voice giving a fact somehow I've been trained, as
we mentioned, it's like coming to that mom voice sparking
my attention to it. Oh my goodness, we're just about
out of time.

Speaker 7 (49:15):
BEV with you.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
I know we wander everywhere community, and I love that
you come on these wandering journeys. With us and just explore.
Put in the comments here if you would, some of
your insights and moments of intuition. I'd love to read
your stories that you have had moments where you heard
that calm, clear voice and you went aha and acted
on it. So beb share how everyone could get a

(49:37):
hold of you, your website, things like that.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Thanks Sharon, thanks so much for these. I'm always inspired
by you. My website is www. Bevmartin dot com and
that's the easiest place to find me, and you can
when you're there sign up for my daily words of
wisdom if you like, or a handout I have which
is a way to ask yourself some questions of your intuition,

(50:03):
so when you're wrestling with something, some guidelines about how
to listen carefully to your intuition. Your intuition is working
perfectly and can be improved.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Absolutely, and BEV has been my dear friend and guide
for a long time. So thank you so much for
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your adventures. Thank you so much Bev for joining us again.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Vision, Thank you, Sharon.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Have a great week. We'll see you next week.

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