Episode 193 - How Do You Feel About the Ocean?

Seas the day... for crime! We're exploring the dark side of the nautical world. Join Rachel and Vicky as they look at two stories of nautical nonsense.

You can check out the High Expectations podcast here!

Research links below!


The Guardian - "Costa Concordia captain hands himself into prison"
Tim Harford - "Cautionary Tales - Captain Coward and the Blame Game"
Los Angeles Times - "Captain who commanded Costa Concordia in cruise disaster that killed 32 begins 16-year prison sentence"
Hurriyet Daily News - "Captain Francesco Schettino"
BBC News - "Costa Concordia captain's sentence upheld by Italy court"

Oxygen - "What Happened to the Crew of a Florida Boat Found Abandoned at Sea - Pirates or Murderers?"
NBC News - "Man gets life in 'Joe Cool' boat slayings"
USA Today - "Bullet casings found on boat; 4 crewmembers still missing"
CBS News - "Building A Case, Without The Bodies"

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, their arrivals unspeakable.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
They it's got to worry about.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Something.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
If I couldn't keep them there with me whole, at
least I felt that I could keep their skeletons.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Hello and welcome to the Bad Taste Crime Podcast. I'm Rachel,
I'm VICKI. How are you guys doing?

Speaker 1 (00:42):
All?

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Look great, very sexy, very sligh. I'll be in a
bad bitch today. Every day. Every day is a day
that ends in why we're being bad bitches. If this
is your first time listening, a special hello to you. Welcome.
Very excited about today's show. Actually too, I was not.
I was not. I'll be honest, I was not. And

(01:03):
then I was like, all right, you didn't like my topic. No,
it's not that, it's just well, we'll talk about it. Oh,
we'll talk about it. Oh my god, it's not that controversial.
Don't worry. I'm controversed. Consider my versus content. Oh my god. Well,
we have a great show for you today, so great.
But first let's head over to the newsroom.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
Watching us today, we had fifty.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
So our news this week comes from the Irish Times,
Oh of the morning to you, where they.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Wrote an article talking about Uh so they're basically talking
about Gardas, which is their police force, their intelligence system
where they keep like records of arrests and crimes and.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Reports and whatever else. So they have found three instances
of babies being caught speeding in recent years. What three babies? Yeah,
babies as fast as Yeah. So this is actually an

(02:24):
issue with poor data entry practices. Okay. Yeah, there's like
widespread incorrect information which resulted again this according to the
Irish Times, it resulted in multiple files showing what appeared
to be child criminals committing crimes before they were even born.
Oh my god, that was crazy. Fetus fetuses up some

(02:49):
crazy business. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, so apparently there was this report by the Inspectorate
that was done. I guess this.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
This has been like an ongoing issue for the last
ten years where people have been really concerned about, like
the large number of records being created for children under twelve.
Well yeah, which in Ireland, twelve is the age of
criminal responsibility. Okay, so like they're like, why what is

(03:21):
up with this? Nuts For it to be such a
huge problem, Ireland isn't even that big, yeah you guys, yeah,
get it together. Yeah. So it says The latest reports
revealed new information on the problem, including that before twenty fourteen,
intelligence records were being created for babies, including a ten
month old who was recorded as being involved in crime

(03:42):
and another child who is forty two days old. Honestly,
fair enough, there were I guess new rules introduced in
twenty fourteen. I'm not honestly sure that is what those are.
But then probably no drinking at your desk. Yeah, so

(04:02):
this it's the new rules that happened twenty fourteen, I'm
sure has to do with these these child records. Yeah,
says Almost three thousand, six hundred and sixty eight child
intelligence records were deleted, and then they introduced stricter criteria
for creating files. Wow, but all of a sudden, the
numbers are starting to creep back up. By twenty twenty,

(04:23):
there were some four hundred files created a year for children.
So they added more controls to see if they could
and like additional training to see if they could get
these entries down because clearly they are incorrect, it says. Overall,
two hundred and four records have been created for children
below the age of criminal responsibility in the last decade,

(04:45):
including five hundred and eighty seven for children under three. Yeah,
they do call it the Terrible twos for reasons. Yeah,
And I will say a lot of the records on
like the child intelligence files that are related to that
are related to child protection concerns. Okay, so there is that,

(05:07):
but there's still these instances of like intelligence files being
created for like inappropriate things. Interesting they include an example
included these included a mother and a one year old
child sitting in a car waiting for their laundry and
a mother, father and two year old child who were
seen walking. Those they just let them get away and

(05:29):
they're just like they have a child crimes in criminals.
So there it seems like they are this is just
like an it's crazy to be that this is a
problem like such a large. Yeah, And I will.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Say, like Europe definitely more heavily uses surveillance systems. You know,
in like the UK you have a lot of like
CCTV type stuff going on, and in Ireland a lot
of CCTV. So that's why they're talking about like creating
these intelligence files. It's like cameras recording and seeing something
and flagging it.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Oh, but like there shouldn't be that much error though
that's right, crazy Ireland.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
You need to get and these are systems they've had
in place pre twenty fourteen, So like.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
That's not good. Yeah, so it sounds I didn't know
that this is a problem with me, but apparently too
much baby crime is like a problem in Ireland. Baby Crime.
That's my new podcast. It comes out right after this one,
Baby Crime, Baby Crimes. Yeah. So anyway, just I'm really
interesting that that's a problem, that's the problem. Good to
know that in this era where babies can be bosses,

(06:32):
babies baby needs to I love it. Equality. Equality, Yeah
for real. All right, We're gonna head over to Netflix
and kill which this week we are talking about cold
case who killed Jambanet Ramsey. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
I want to start out by saying, I'm glad we're

(06:55):
talking about this. I will always when I'm wrong. Is
a bit when I am wrong. Okay, I feel like
I was wrong in my previous declarations on what theory
I support. Yes, it definitely did it definitely did. I

(07:15):
will admit it. I have an apology to the Ramsey family.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
I definitely landed in the camp of someone in the
family did it. I was always sort of in the
Burke did it camp truthfully, But after watching this, I
feel like that's incorrect.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
That is, I feel the opposite way. That is so interesting.
After watching this, I thought it was a terrible documentary.
I thought it was so biased and ridiculous. Yeah, but
all the other ones have been biased the other way. Yeah,
right completely.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
I'm not saying that it's impossible that that, but I
do not lean as heavily that way anymore.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
I get you, and that's good. It's good to change
your opinions.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
So this, obviously it looks at the gen Ramsey case.
Her dad is interviewed heavily in it. I always find
it really interesting that Burke never does any interviews. But
of course their explanation is he was a child when
all of this happened. He has really wanted to like
distance himself and kind of move on with his life.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
I get that. Yeah, I do not blame him for that, no,
but it is interesting because it's such a high profile case,
and of course the father and the mother when she
was alive, did so much.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah is to say, of course, Patsy has now passed
from cancer built cancer. My gosh, you know, there was
a lot weird about this case. And I guess did
it realize how badly police had bugled?

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Oh it's a bungler so.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Many things I know they had Definitely there were definite
things that were incorrect. Oh yeah, not handled well, like
the people that they had put in place to run
investigations and the way they handled it when they first
got to the house. And like, but I.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Don't know, there's just a lot weird about this case.
I'm I think I'm more towards somebody on the outside
breaking in. That's where I'm at. But you know, it's again,
it's like the only reason I wanted to talk about
this is because for me it sort of changed some things. Yeah,
for sure, and that's good. Yeah why do you why
do you not like it? I thought it was I

(09:24):
thought the documentary is really bad. Yeah, I just I
think that there was although they did introduce a lot
of evidence that I think people don't commonly talk about. Yeah,
this is one of those cases for me where I've like,
I've looked at everything. Like, I also think that they
didn't talk about a lot of the big things where
I'm like, yeah, well but if you think about that,

(09:46):
there were definitely some things that other documentaries like. They
talk so they talk about the CBS documentary and that
is one that I watched, and that was very convincing
for me. Yeah, and that was also one that Burke
had sued them and they settled out of court. Yeah,
that one was very convincing for me. But then I'm like,

(10:07):
oh my gosh, so was that even like I don't know, right,
I don't know, because there were things they talked about
in that that were not mentioned at all. Correct. You know,
they talk about the dust on the window, and they
talk about the food in her stomach, Yes, and that
was never brought up, right, Yeah, I agree. I think
it's And you know, I didn't like the documentary, and

(10:29):
there's some documentaries about the case that I do like
and don't let you know there's different. I think the
case will never be solved because it was so badly
bungled by the Oh, for sure, I think that I did.
I never thought the little brother did it, but I
thought CAMP for a long time, and I think it's
very understandable. I just think that he's too young to
have known how to use it art. Yeah, I don't

(10:49):
think he would have known how to do that and
the fact that they never found whatever she was hit
with in the head, like they think it's a flashlight,
but they're not one hundred percent sure, And then and
the crime scene was so messed up. I think that
my opinion is that the parents were involved, and I
think that it was like a planned that I think

(11:10):
they were involved in some fuck shit. This is not
a conspiracy theory because you can look it up online,
but there's photos of the father with Jeffrey Epstein. They
knew each other. Yeah, that's really all I'm gonna say
about it. I think that it was one of those
cases where it's people were up to some funck shit,
but it was one of those things where like they
were planning for something different to happen and then they
got caught in this big case and we're like, oh yeah,

(11:33):
oh no, our daughter. It's just really spooky. It's a
spooky case to me. Yeah, it's definitely. I mean, there's
so much bungling. It almost seems intentional.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, it happened so long ago and we're clearly still
talking about it, right.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
I always get a little leery with stuff like this
because completely because.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Like this is obviously a very major case.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yea, how many documentaries can you release about it?

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Right?

Speaker 4 (12:01):
You know?

Speaker 3 (12:01):
I hit a point where I'm like, I don't really
want to watch it if there isn't any new information
like in my piece or a new something.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Because it's just an opinion piece.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Well when you're just rehashing, rehashing, rehashing, and I'm like, okay,
this is all stuff.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
I've already heard.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, completely, so I anytime something like this comes out,
even with like the Menanda's Brother thing like that, I
was like, okay, are they just rehashing the same stuff
that's been out that they had, like.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
The new interviews, new stuff. I will say, this is
the first interview I think heat that the dad has
done in a while. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Uh so there's that, you know, it was kind of sure,
it's definitely worth watching. Yeah, I agree, I agree, I
agree because I think a few years ago was when
they really started going hard for like the Ramsey Family
had something to do with it documentaries.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yes, and now it's like they get to say right
right right, So I do think it is worth definitely,
Oh definitely. It's just interesting. It's just one of these
I don't know, it's just one of these cases. We're
all gonna be talking about it. We'll probably never know
what I don't know. I think that DNA is at
a point where if they wanted to do something with
what they have, they probably could. But I don't how

(13:11):
contaminated is all right, and I don't know how degradated
it is, Like I don't know, like where that's I'm
sure they're trying to just walk around the crime scene whatever. Yeah,
it's yeah, that case mad, I'm mad. Now have you
seen this stupid thing online where people thought that John

(13:32):
and a Ramsey grew up to be Katy Perry? Yes,
that's like, go stupid if you believe that, you're stupid.
So no, she's fully dead. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not great,
but the reality ye, sorry, stupid. Also, before we move
on from this segment, I just want to point out
that they started releasing the trailers for part three of

(13:55):
the Italia Grace Stories that I am very I saw that.
I was like, oh my god, so look forward to that,
but like very excited. We'll be covering it here. We've
talked about the first two parts, right, so we have
to do the third one. Anyway. This is that part
of the show where we say content may not be
appropriate for our listeners. We're gonna be talking about some

(14:18):
wet and wild we're doing water sports here.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
No, we're not Golden Jar wait, oh, not that kind
of on. No, We're definitely be talking about murder.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yeah. I think I have a small mention of child
sexual abuse, very very small, I think, but mostly just murder.
What are we talking about today, Rachel Moist murders so much. Yeah,
I know it disgusting. I'm actually sorry. No, I'm not.
I imagine you picked this like dreaming of warmer days.

(14:53):
For real, I was not in the middle of winter.
What I'm trying to think what I was watching. I
might have been watching below, It might have been. It
was just like you know, on TikTok they post like
things reunions from shows I've never seen, and I'm immediately
know you send me Lighthousewive clips all the time, and
I'm like, I know you don't watch this, but I'm like,

(15:15):
oh my god, this one's funny. I'm just verifying I
know you. But then I'm a fine sending you Nizza. Yes,
because the attention span for the whole watch the Highlight
kids and give you these weird highlights prostitution, whoores and
I can't have that at preschool again. You know, I'll
just send you the highlights of the guy what I

(15:36):
want In the Philippines dating, I hate that guy trans woman.
That guy is a predator. I hate him and the
woman is so cute here. Oh my god. They don't
talk about it on the show. I don't think, but
ye save her sorry totals okay, total aside girlfriend the Philippines.

(15:58):
You are too hot for him and literally beautiful. He's
going to kill you and cut your heat off. You
need to leave him immediately. Anyway, the show is not
worth it. Bame, What are we talking about today? Welcome
back to the ninety day? Pan Yeah, wait to go
home and watch more. Just croche my little heart out

(16:18):
yelling at themselves. Yes, that's the American dream. We're living
at each other. Oh my god. Now there's a ladybug
in here. Hi, I hate this. What's going on our studio?
Our studio is being overrun by wh I'm on the scene.
Cut to a helicopter feed. It's not being overrun. There's
just a ladybug. It's our time of year in the Midwest.

(16:39):
We have lots of little flying things around, very annoying
inside in inside anyway, So where were we? So we
are we talking about? Today? We are talking about I
don't know. I was having fun talking about the bugs.
But I guess we can go to my topic, which
is crimes upon the high seats. Well, of course, of

(17:00):
course I texted you nautical nonsense. Yes, yes, sticking to
my you know, fondness for interesting and weird topics. Yeah,
I definitely. I just feel like, since it's so cold,
I just want to go to the ochin, put my
feet in the ocean, stick up a shell, perhaps not

(17:21):
scrape ice off my car.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Hated here, hated here, I mean, I just hated here. Yeah.
I if you know me, anybody who knows well knows
that I am not a winter person. I'm a June baby,
like I would much prefer I mean, I'm an in
between her. I like the spring and fall, but I

(17:46):
would my first summer then then winter me too, me too,
because at least you're not I mean, you might get
heat stroke outside, but like, yeah, drinking of water, you're fine. See.
I worked, I did. I had an acting job at
a theme park where I worked summers and like had
to be in like full period, like very heavy costumes,
like running around. So I'm like, too much of summer

(18:08):
is like uh yeah, but also too much of winter
is disgusting and horrible. Listeners. If you live somewhere that's
like temperate and beautiful, call in and I'm gonna move
in with you, tropical open your home to me, but
with you. I don't know that weird. It's not weird.
Let me. I feel like we're already friends. You're listening

(18:30):
to me talk, I'll see you talk, yep. Can you cook?
I can? Allegedly I made it too to sale the
other week that was questionable. I don't know. I'm still
eating it though not the other week. That makes it
sound like it's been in there for weeks. Okay, it's
so fine. It's fine. So so anyway, Yeah, nautical nonsense,

(18:51):
crimes committed to hum high seas. How do you feel
about the ocean? Are you like an ocean girl? How
do you feel about the ocean? I actually don't mind.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
I'm not like one of those people who won't go
into like open water as long as it's safe, like
if it's like deep, I have a life jacket or
whatever I can swim. I know how to swim good.
I truthfully haven't really been in like open ocean. I think, well,
we were on.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
A cruise ship, but you weren't like bobbing alone. No,
I wasn't like jumping off the back of a yacht
to like go swimming, you know what I mean. I
wouldn't do that either. I have been on like a
beach on the coast with the oceans instead. You know,
for me, it's not really a big deal.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
You know.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
I think recently there's been the talk of like aliens
in the ocean, aliens in the sky, and there's a
lot of me that's like, I mean, I mean it
would make sense maybe, but.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
You know, the ocean, yeah, is not really a bothers something.
But I don't feel like I've had a lot of
opportunities to like that's true.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
We are Midwestern girls. Yeah, lake is about as close
as I are.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Right, Like Lake Michigan is probably delicious, you know what
I mean, Like the deepest body of water I've been in.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
A boat on. Right, Yeah, right, which is totally reasonable.
That's the thing. Like I I love like I'll go
to the beach today, let's go. I love the beach.
I love swimming, but like I don't like like not
being able to see, like when there's stuff around me
in the water. I don't like that. Like, once you
get so you want to be the person with like

(20:36):
your own digital Doppler scanner of No, I don't want
to look at that. Oh you don't want to know
you know that that game, I don't know if you've
seen that video game Subnatica, it's like that. Oh my god, Yeah,
I don't like that. Even watching those I was holding
my phone so far away from my face, like that
would save me so scared.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
There is a.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Movie coming out we saw on the previews yesterday. There's
a movie coming out about the spacelime story about this
diver doing something for like I don't know if it's
like an oil rig or something something in the ocean
that's like full underwater diving suit and a he gets cut,
The line gets cut and he has just like hang
out and wait down there for them to come back
and get it. And I'm like that stresses me out too.

(21:15):
I would unplug my oxygen and die immediately.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, that some of those underwater scenes and like I
can't do that even in the new the new season
of Silo. We were talking about this earlier. Yeah, there's
a scene where she's like underwater and her air supply
gets cut off, and I'm just like this dresses me
out too much, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Really like, yeah, I don't like that. Yeah, that's so
what it was.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Was.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
You know that movie The meg with like Jason Statham,
Jason Steife. Yeah, they are like five nine. I haven't
I don't know that movie. Well it's really stupid, but
stupid in a great way. They're hunting the megalodon. There's
a lot of like underwater like sharks getting you footage.
And I watched both of those when I was really stoned.
Now I'm afraid of the ocean. So that's really what

(21:55):
it is. Oh my god, Like so this this topic
that I'm going with. This guy was a cruise ship captain,
and my husband's always asking like what topic I'm doing,
And it got us on the like, oh maybe because
we've never been on a cruise, neither of us, so
he's like maybe one day. It was a lot of
cruise like that sounds good, and I was like, okay,
I'm a bumpkin, so I don't know about anything. I

(22:17):
was like, so, are there any cruises where when you're
on the boat you can see the shoreline the whole time?
And he looked it up and that's a no. So
that's a no for me. I can't do that. If
I can't see the shore I'm not doing so fun. No,
it's like being in a giant building. You don't even
know that you're on the water. I hate being in buildings.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
That's a lie.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Do you like being inside? That's like being inside? That's fair.
I'm a tourist. I don't know why I'm lying to
any of you. Just the idea of that is scary. Yeah,
like not like in my brain, even if like the
land is like super far away, my brain is like
I could swim potentially. Then if it sinks I can swim.

(22:57):
What if there's no land, I can Where am I
going to go? What if you when you left you
could see the shoreline and you went to bed, and
then you woke up and you were already at port. Fine, Okay,
you just don't want to see it happen, Yes, because
then it's I'll know when we planned group vacation. Okay,

(23:18):
there's one I'll literally Lincoln in the show notes because
there's a metal cruise. Yeah, they have like a rave cruise.
Oh my god's so fun. It's so good. Let's all
go on it. And I'm like, I'm broke. Yeah, that's
the problem. Not rich, so expensive. I can't take the
time off me too, Well, I can't if you have kids.
I have kids, I can't take the parenting time off.
You just can't go rave for a week. And then

(23:39):
that's the worst part about kids not being able to
rave in the open ocean for a week. You heard
it here? Oh my god, what the hell am I
talking about? Uh? Sticking back to my pecking topic, sticking
to my apparent fondness for criminals with famous nicknames. I

(24:01):
notice I don't do that on purpose, but it just
seems to happen. I decided to go with the case
of Francesco Chattino, or, as he's more commonly known, Captain Coward. Okay,
damn it, No, it's really dumb with a name like
Captain Coward. I'm like, oh no, So I don't think

(24:21):
this was Italian audiences who called him this, because I
don't know if it would be like a mistranslation thing.
But he also was known as Chicken of the Sea.
But I love that so much? Is it? You know
what everyone made fun of her for that. That's valid
because they make they make can Chicken. I don't think

(24:42):
she's stupid. I'm sorry. No, I was offended. When I
was a kid and that came out. I was like,
that's not that bad. Lee does get Simpson alone. Yeah,
this was a big, big deal in like Italian media.
This was a big ass deal, okay. Dubbed Captain Coward
and Captain Calamity, he was all also given the unofficial
title of Italy's most Hated man. Yeah, you have to

(25:07):
do to become Italy. So that's what I'm mad. Italy
had produced some on slavery characters, such as fascist dictator
Benito Mussolini and some of the cast of the Jersey Shore. Yes,
I'm like Missolini, dude. Yeah, I know, I'm like geez.
But like, this guy does also sing. Maybe not as
bad as Mussolini, but he kind of sad. Francisco Chattino

(25:27):
was born November fourteenth, nineteen sixty in Campagna, Italy. Okay.
His family, like many others in the area, were seafarers,
and he grew up with similar goals. This is a
quote he attended. Oh I put attended twice. He attended
attended the Nautical Nautical Institute Nino Bixio in Pino di Sorrento.

(25:49):
Then worked for the fairy company Terurinia. So you would
think he's he's a seafaring guy. He's grown up knowing
how to do this. He's like, hey, no problem, Uh,
no problem, because this guy sucked at his job. Oh
damn doesn't. It's like to be born into a family
where you're like, yeah, everyone's like a seafarer. I'm gonna

(26:11):
like follow family footsteps and you're just terrible God's baby.
Oh no, that's amazing guy, not poor guy. Okay, okay,
I retracted, gonna you're gonna love this dude. Uh in
a hating him way. In November two thousand and eight,
he was captain of the Costa Concordia, so he he

(26:34):
pretty much chose to pilot like cruise ships. That was
what he wanted to do, and there's a lot of
money in that. But I think he really took the
like showmanship. Yeah, he wanted the how very how very
el ra I'm a hubbard, I know. Wow, he's like
you guys want me to touch fish, like with my hands. No,

(26:56):
this is the whole reason he like created the sea
organ sign holiday because he just wanted to be a
captain of a ship literally, and like were the commander's
uniforms and ship. He's just cosplaying. That's like when Marie
Antoinette made her servants build her like a little farm
and she would go there and she would this is true,
she would dress up in a little milk made outfit

(27:16):
and like and like pick eggs, not pick eggs, yeah,
pick and she everyone had to like be like, hello, Marie,
not the fucking queen of France, Marie. And then Marie
the milk just today, isn't that They're like they're German,
and her little they probably would have been Austrian because

(27:39):
she was Austrian, so she would be like, talk Austrian,
these frenchhoes, they're trying to kill me, and then they did.
None of that stuff was her fault. I'm a Marie
Antoinette apologist. But also like cosplaying is poor. Shut up, Marie,
shut up, Marie. Uh So what so when Shatino was

(28:00):
captaining this cruise ship, which was the Coasta Concordia, Okay.
He was around the Sicilian city of Palermo and the
ship went into like some high winds and got pushed
against a dock. That was like the official report was like,
we ran into some high winds, we pushed into the dock,

(28:22):
and now we have to have repairs about sounds like
kind of a normal thing that happened. But really happened
was that he was like drunk and not paying attention
and was like coming into hot and like per slammed
into ply like put the thrusters on at the ride.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Whoa.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah, he was like, wait, does this have breaks? And
then by the time he was like it doesn't it
water breaks? You know how that works? I do?

Speaker 5 (28:47):
I do?

Speaker 4 (28:49):
And then so you know, you'd think he would be
like I learned my lesson, Yeah, but he didn't. In
twenty ten, he was on another cruise ship, the Coasta Atlntica.
He oh, he was the master of this one, but
he was driving another ship, which was the part of
like the Carnival he was working for, Like Carnival, they

(29:11):
ate a blue while entering the port in is this
like like Carnival Carnival, like Carnival cruise lines. Like so
he's like driving like cruise ship, cruise ship. Yeah, he
was very successful because like the massive huge yes okay, yes, yes,
And that's kind of the thing is apparently for like boating,
that's kind of seen as like you're like fancy okay,

(29:34):
you know it's like a big like you're like big character,
right right. I don't know. It's kind of like, oh,
is it like the showmanship, like the showy people. I
can't think you like ring Master. But that's not a
good comparison. No, I get what you're saying. But yeah,
he did that shit again in Germany and Slamms got
drugs in the port. The drunk is alleged, but also no,

(29:59):
it's not. So it sounds like it's known that he
did he have like a drinking problem. Yeah okay, yeah,
it sounds like that might be kind of known. Yeah,
might because his fellow like yeah, crew members like, yeah,
you smell like thevetle a little bit. He's like, what,
it's cultural, it's a cultural thing. He's like this bar
is drive through. God. The cruise ship company like denied,

(30:27):
they were like, no, it didn't cause damage. They like
kind of like covered it up, like I'm sure it
would be embarrassing for them, especially because they're such a
big company. I'm sure they were just kind of like,
la la pay for it. Shut up. So by this
time there were other like little incidents like this too,
where he's just doing shit that's stupid. Yeah, and he's
not being trustworthy. So he kind of had that reputation

(30:48):
at this point. But for some reason, two years after that,
there was this university in Rome which was like, hmm,
what would be the best seminar for you to lead? Oh?
Probably panic management. He's like, when something totally out of
your control, like being drunk cappins and you slam your

(31:09):
boat into the pier, don't panic. Don't panic. The key
is to not panic. And if you're drunk, you're just
lucid all the time. I gonna say it helps to
be slashed.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Wow, he's making these decisions. Not I stupid? Not I. Also,
if you're a listener and you hold panic management seminars,
I probably need to go. Please. Maybe it sounds great
as long as you're not gonna come in drunk and
teach it. I was gunna now now I'm not now
I Oh. So it was like a huge controversy that

(31:46):
like he's up there hosting the seminar and like all
of these like captains and stuff who know him, are
like that guy, for real, that's the guy that you chose.
Are you sure? And then a year after that he
published a book called le Verita Summers or The Submerged Truths,
where he wrote himself as like this big sexy, seafairy hero.

(32:11):
Oh god, chest hair so cringey. And then oh, well
that's actually a spoiler. Anyway, he did that after what
I'm going to talk about, just kidding everybody, it's fine.
So then just kidding. So this is the incident in question.

(32:34):
So he's already he's doing all of this stupid stuff,
slamming the ships into the ports, being a dick, not
doing valley ship parking because he's stupid. Yeah, And then
he's on the coast of Concordia. This is in twenty twelve,
and he's sailing by this coastline again, big big cruise ship.

(32:57):
Not supposed to go too far, too close to the show, right, right,
So he was close to the short and he's doing
there's this like rock formation there that's like really beautiful,
and a lot of people will come to watch the
smaller ships go by, and he's like, I can literally fit.
It's fine, Please, don't even worry about it. So he
was going too close. He had done it before and

(33:20):
it had been fine, but you're not supposed to do that.
So he was like, let me do this cute little
like I'm gonna show off my like glistening chest hair
in my little ship boy hat that I feel like
he was probably wearing. And he was like, I'm gonna
be so focused and I'm just gonna lock eyes on
the steering wheel ten and two. Literally no problem, actually,
just kidding. He had on board, so he was married

(33:42):
with children. He had like a wife and kids, but
they were like at home, not a big part of
his story, to be honest with you, Well, you know
he's a shitty guy, just like I have waving kids by.
I'm leaving you on land. I'm gonna go be like
a sexy cruise ship direc see.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Right.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
But he had somehow snuck on board a woman who
he was having an affair with. Of course, who was
this dancer, a Moldovan dancer, Dominica Semortana. And she was
on the bridge and she was a dancer and he
I don't know if she was like throwing ass, but

(34:22):
he was distracted by her, and he well, that's kind
of what I thought. But apparently like she was on
the bridge like all right, right, so he was like looking, yeah,
I know, I kind of wondered if there was some
you know, over the airshift action, but obviously I don't

(34:45):
know anything about boats. Guys, I don't think have gearshifts.
But he went too far and smashed on the rocks
and the ship was holding like hundreds and hundreds and
hundreds of people. Sure, yeah, many of whom were just
like regular passengers. And he not only left the boat,

(35:10):
he just got off. Yeah, okay, you know how they
say a captain should go down with this ya he
was like, I was like yeah, he was like, oh cel.
So what happened was there was a guy who was
involved with like the coast guard. I think that he
was on the cruise ship as well, and was like,
all right, shit, let me get the rest of the coastguard.

(35:31):
So he was on one of the boats and uh,
he got on a boat with the captain and was
literally telling him like direct quote, get the fuck back
on the boat. Get back on the boat, like you're
the captain. It is thinking, right now, you go back
on there and help, and he was like, no, I'm
trying to help, but I fell off the boat into
this lifeboat, in his life boat right right where I

(35:58):
feel like he probably had like sham pain. Yeah. This
whole time, I'm kind of picturing him as zap Ranigan
from Yeah, I can see that. I could see that
I blew up the planet. I'm leaving very much so
that William Shatner very much so. Yes, Gregorio DeFalco was
the on duty Italian Coast Guard commander and he can

(36:21):
you can hear him. They played the tapes in court
because he had like all the radios and stuff of
him screaming at Chatato to leave the lifeboat and return.
And in court he later testified like he didn't fall
off the boat, yeah, and he's like he was bone dry. Yeah,
so he hasn't even been in the water, so he's
just been like chilling on this point. He didn't fall
in the water, he fell in the life boat. Well.

(36:43):
Later he had to say like I was swimming and
saving passengers and he's like nope, because he was bone dry.
And he would tell the coastguard like it's too dark
the lifeboat. This lifeboat's broken. It stopped moving, and it's like,
go to boat college. Didn't I say that earlier? I'm
sure you can make a boat move? Ye shut up?

(37:05):
Oh yeah, so he told him vada aborde cazo, which
means get on the boat for fuck's sake. Yeah, but
he did not and was one of the first to
reach land. Oh my god. Schatino also claimed he would
have returned to the ship by helicopter. Why don't you
just take a boat? What are you talking about? You're

(37:25):
right there. Yeah, you didn't even have to leave the ship.
You didn't even have to leave, Like how far is
it just swim? Yeah. Also when he went when he
was like on land, like oh no, boy, isn't that
a catastrophe? And people were like, are you the fucking captain? Someone?
This was the beach. So someone was like, oh my god,
take my dinghy so you can go back, you know,
because they were like you're here by accident, and he

(37:47):
was like no, the idea, like what a catastrophe. He
can't take my boat, such a tragedy, nothing could be No,
who's gonna help these people? You take my boat? Oh no,
me I mean maybe more qualified. Just got dry. I
literally just gelled it. I mean he is Italian. Wow,

(38:07):
very seriously. Wow. So thirty two people died. Oh my god,
this was a huge You were not supposed to sail
it fucking close to the rocks.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
So thirty two people, including like someone as young as
as a five year old girl, drowned. Whoa, that's mass
ezy whisky operation. Oh my god. Yeah. Uh. Chatino also
did not contact his employers for the first fifteen minutes
after the collision, which like, you're dry in a boat,

(38:37):
he's probably texting.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, he's trying to figure out how to get the
fuck off the boat.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Oh my god. He's like Instagram selfie. Like the coast
Guard guys like, did you call your boss? Hello? Oh
my god. So he did not send a may day
or order an evacuation. He just got himself off the
boat and that's it. Wow. And he lied to the coastguar. So,
like the one guy from the Coastguard was there. I
think he was already there. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he

(39:04):
was on the boat. I think they have to have
someone from the Coastguard on, like on the premises at
all times. Yeah, but he should have called for further
backup and he didn't. Yeah, he didn't call anybody. This
was interesting. He was initially believed because, as we've been
joking about, he's like drinking and like being like a
big lush. They tested him that night, so like stuff

(39:25):
could have worn off a little bit. Yeah, he was
stone cold, sober, tested negative for all substances. Whoa, yes,
so he was so bare. Wow, So I feel like
he really was just like, oh, look at my girls
boobies and then he's wow, okay, what an idiot. It's
the only smashing he did the night, for real and

(39:46):
probably forever again. Oh god, okay, So obviously he got
sentenced to house arrests. Like immediately they were like, let's
just because make sure he doesn't get on away. Yeah,
well he'd probably crash it, so they would, you would
not get he'd like leave, leave the dock, crash immediately,
gratitude another boat, get off again. It's like I was

(40:08):
trying to do a cool trick. And then he got fired.
So he was applied by implied employed. He was implied
to have been employed by a company called Costa, and
they were like, uh no, just kidding and we're also
not paying for your legal defense, I mean also fair.
Initially they did it, they were like, actually just kidding

(40:29):
fair when they found out how fucking liable he was
gonna be. Yeah, and then they were like, actually, we're
gonna be the co plaintiffs in the trial against you. Yeah,
not only are fired, not only are we not paying
for you, but we're going after you, which was probably
really really smart. Yeah, So it started as like a
bigger trial against five other Costa employees. Robert there's a

(40:53):
lot of ours in there, for Rini, Robert Ferrini. For Rarini,
who is the company's crisis director. His charges came after
because he was kind of like the downplayer a people died,
but like didn't he look cool, you know? So he's
in trouble. Man Rico Gimpedroni, who is the cabin service director,

(41:17):
Siro Ambrosio who was the first officer, Sylvia Coronica who
was the third officer, and then the only non Italian
indicted was Jacob Bruce Lee Binn, who was the helmsman.
He wasn't like the normal helmsman and he was Indonesian.
Part of Schatino's defense, his really stupid defense was like, well,

(41:41):
the helmsman who's like the steerer, drove it into the
rocks himself, and I was having trouble communicating with him
because he didn't speak Italian or English. He only spoke Indonesian.
Doesn't sound true, it doesn't because it's not. And also
because good clock Italian. It's a huge seaf thing that like,
most of the time, you're not going to speak the

(42:03):
same language as these people. As far back as like
the eighteen hundreds or even older than that, excuse me,
way older, they would use hand signals, they would use
written signals, they would use flags. There's lots and lots
of ways to communicate without speech at sea, right, because
you know, waves are loud and shit. Yeah, and people

(42:23):
are all kinds of places. So he's full of beans
in Bologna. That's what I say. That's what I say.
So all of them pleaded guilty, but they took like
plea bargains, and their jail sentences were not super long.
I yeah, it says. The shortest was eighteen months and
the longest was like two years and ten months. Yeah, okay,
not so bad. Yeah, it's not nothing, Yeah, it's nothing,

(42:47):
it's not nothing, But you know, it's not long, it's
not something. Yeah. So Chatino was accused of causing a
maritime accident, which sounds cute but isn't. Multiple counts of
manslaughter and abandoning ship with passengers still on CA Okay,
that was the thing that you can get charged for,

(43:08):
but I guess as a captain. And then he also
got in trouble for not like calling the coast guard,
not like cooperating. There was like later there was like
data that wasn't true, like oh, you know, we did that.
They were just reporting exactly. They were trying to make
him look sure better. He tried to strike a plea

(43:29):
bargain and they were like, no thing, and his lawyers
were like, he's a scapegoat. Yeah right, he's not literally
driving the ship. Yes, yes, they were saying that, like
the lifeboats did it. Yeah whatever, stupid stupid. Uh so

(43:49):
everyone nobody was on his side. Everybody testified against him,
including the dancer who he was having an affair with,
who luckily survived and was like, sorry for being hot, everybody,
I'm sorry. I feel bad because she probably felt guilty,
but she didn't do anything wrong. On the eleventh of February,
twenty fifteen, after a nineteen month trial, Judge Giovanni Pilati

(44:14):
sentenced to Tino to sixteen years in prison, which is
ten for manslaughter, five for causing the wreck, and one
for abandoning his passengers, and there to be served consecutively. Okay, wow,
so on pon hearing the verdict. So yeah, so they

(44:34):
did do legal language, they tried to appeal, they weren't
able to appeal, and he used them all up super quickly.
So on the thirty first of May twenty sixteen it
was upheld. Okay, so they were like, yeah, you actually
do have to go to jail. He was trying to
appeal to the Italy Supreme Court and then finally on

(44:55):
twenty seventeen they were like, stop calling us, just be
in jail. Uh. So when he heard that, he turned
himself in and uh went to Rome's Rebibia prison in
his sentence, where he remains to this day. Damn a parent.
You know, I wonder if he like makes like little

(45:17):
paper boats and like floats them around the sink, like yeah,
like ships in a bottle. I used to be a captain,
Like shut up, yeah, shut up, no you didn't what
a dick, huh wow. So that is the story of
the infamous Captain.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Coward Get He's earned that nickname for really, it's a
good one.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
All right. Well, we're gonna switch gears just a little bit. Gears,
switch bowt gears, smaller boats for sure, because I want
to talk about the hijacking of Joe Cool. Oh, yes,
which I just think is a great name for it
is cool, great name for a boat, very good. So
our story begins in September two thousand and seven. Okay,

(46:13):
at the sunny Miami Beach Marina. That sounds nice, it does.
Two men, thirty six year old Kirby Archer and eighteen
year old Guillermo Zarabozo, decide to charter a fishing boat
to take them out to Bimini, which is like an
island off of the Bahamas, part of the Bahamas. It's

(46:33):
about fifty miles away from the Miami Beach Marina where
they were at, so not far. It's like a little island.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Yeah, it's like on the one of the coasts of
the Bahamas. The forty seven foot vessel named Joe Cool
just love.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
I just feel like it's I'm only picturing a dighy
with sunglasses. I am literally imagining a picture of the
snoopy Joe Cool on the side of the boat. Is
that It's okay, good now, that's what I'm pictured. That's
all I can think of. So the Joe Cool was
owned by Jeff Brannam and it was run by Captain

(47:12):
Jake Branham, who is Jeff's nephew, Okay, his wife Kelly Branham,
Jake's half brother Scott Gamble, and first mate Samuel Carrey.
The trip to Vivity, it seemed kind of unusual.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Because so the crew had actually suggested to Archer and
Zarabozo that it would have been cheaper to fly to
the islands than to charter this boat to get there.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
Never listen to people whose jobs it is to do this. Well,
it kind of depends on what your endgame is here.
I guess. Well that's true. Yeah, So they were like,
you guys can just like buy a cheap, cheaper ticket.
But according to Oxygen Quote, the men claimed their girlfriends
accidentally stowed their passports in inaccessible luggage and therefore they
wanted to book the Joe Cool end quote. So they

(47:59):
were like, we just don't want to have to like
pull us out of our luggage. We'll just charter a
boat to get there instead of having to go through
airport security. So the two men paid their four thousand
dollars to charter the boat Wow, which again flying would
have been much cheaper, way cheaper, and off they went
to the Bahamas. But after the boat didn't return by
the following day, owner Jeff Branham reported the boat overdue.

(48:23):
He was like, that is not Joe cool, That's not
very joke. Cool. Now, it was only and fifty miles
by boat. It was like two hours, yeah, is what
they were looking at. Yeah, somewhere in there. Okay, So
we've already talked about this, you and I separately. I'm
pretty sure we talked about this on air obviously. You
know I am quite the Bravo.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah, okay, And so Below Deck is part of this series,
and my all time favorite captain from Below Deck is
Captain Lee, who is like this grizzled old man but
he's really old sea caps.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Yes. I love Captain Lee. He is he is a
real sweetheart, but like takes his job very serious.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
I love he's really good at it. So, following his
time on the show, Captain Lee starred in a series
on Oxygen called Deadly Waters with Captain Lee or they
talk about crimes on the high Seas.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Oh shit, yeah, I used to watch that. Yeah that's
Captain Lee. Oh my god. Yeah it's not.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
It's relatively new, just started like this year, last year,
I guess seen.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Yeah. So the season premiere actually talks about this case,
and a lot of the information that I'm using is
from that. So we got shout out to Captain Lee.
Love Captain Lee. So Captain Lee in this series comments
on the lateness of the boat, saying, quote, when a
vessel is reported as overdue, that means the boat did
not meet its scheduled return. But overdues happen all the time.

(49:53):
The fish are biting and passengers want to stay out longer,
or people can drink too much in biminy and need
to sleep it off, which causes a So like that
makes sense.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
It just being overdue by a day is not necessarily
super worried.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
You know what I was thinking.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
But the fact that there was It was supposed to
be a quick trip there and back. They might have
stopped for some fishing on the way back, but that
was but by the only plan to day I.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Mean a two hour trip there and back. Yeah, you
should have been back already. Yeah. And the Joe Cool
also had a charter planned on the following day, so
this sort of like raised some red flags because they
needed to get back to this other charter so they
could make money. All right.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
So after when I think, when you report overdue, you
report to the coast Guard. So Jeff contacts the Coast Guard,
the United States Coast Guard, which then puts out a
pan pan, which is the sea version of a bolo
be on the lookout. Okay, so it's sort of just like,
be on the lookout for this boat.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
I don't know a ton of boats any one for me,
So it's called a pan pan. But they still were
not able to contact the Joe Cool or get information
on where they might be, so an official search and
rescue operation was sent out, including Aaron C searches. There were,
at the time a couple of reasons to be concerned. First,

(51:19):
the channel between Miami and Dimity were pretty common areas
for like piracy, drug smuggling. Not saying that it was
like in all the time thing, but they were going
to look out for Yeah, they were not a stranger
to that sort of thing. So it was a little concerning,
not to mention that it had been thirty six hours
without contact from the.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Vessel at all. But then the coast guard finally received
word of an unusual boat about thirty miles north of Cuba.
But again, I didn't have a big snoopy on the
side of it, right. This is again from Oxygen quote.
Another disturbing observation was that the forty five foot anchor

(51:59):
lines had been let out despite the boat being in
well over two hundred feet of water. Oh, the stern
door of the Joe cool was open and swinging about.
Not good. Yeah, This, paired with the location of the
boat led authorities to believe that it was left there intentionally, right,
because what's a forty foot are doing? Not shit dangling? Yeah,

(52:20):
and it's it was like a it looked abandon, Yeah,
looked abandon. So the coast guard goes out to this
location of this boat. They bored very cautiously board the
boat because they're they're being mindful of like possible hijackers
still on board, like they don't know what's going on.
But when they got inside, they did not find a

(52:41):
single person on the ball. What they did find was
car keys, wallets, fishing poles, all of these things, indicating
that the passengers were not planning and being off of
the boat. Right. They also just went for a swim
or right right, yeah, or like it got loose from
an islander. I don't even know. Yeah. They also discovered blood,

(53:05):
which instantly turned the boat into a crime scene. The
Coastcard contacts the FBI because now it's like, it's not
just like water stuff, it's like and also because it
was American citizens, like yeah, So further, the FBI goes
out to where the boat is at because you don't
necessarily want to move the crime scene. Further investigation found

(53:25):
that there was a lifeboat missing, oh, meaning that people
could still be out in the water right, something that
became even more of an emergency thanks to a month
soon that was on the horizon. So the weather forced
authorities to tow the boat back to shore to continue
investigation while the search efforts for this potential life raft

(53:48):
like amped up. That is kind of cool, It's so silly,
but it's like you could just kind of like transport
the crime scene. You don't necessarily want to do that,
well completely because if like something got thrown off the
boat or something like you kind of want to be there.
But with them on sooon they were they were like,
we want to if there's stuff on the deck, they
want to preserve that, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(54:08):
that makes sense. Interesting, But they did do like an
initial sort of yea yeah yeah thing and a more
thorough investigation.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
So the next day, an air search team spotted a
life raft floating south of Anguila Anguela Key with the
name Joe Cool stenciled on the side. It was a
covered like a covered life raft. Okay, a helicopter is
sent in to rescue potential passengers, of which there were two.

(54:37):
They didn't know this at the time because it's covered.
And when the helicopter dropped down to where the life
raft was at, the wind from the helicopter blades blew
the top off of it and so they could see
there were two people inside. Due to the noise of
the helicopter, a regular conversation was not immediately possible. That's
what I mean in the sea you need nonverbal communication.

(55:00):
So one of the people who had just been rescued
wrote on a piece of paper, quote west Bimini, we
were abandoned in the boat hijacking for killed and handed
it to one of the rescuers. Oh my god. Yeah, yeah,
so they it was at this point they pretty much
like abandon yeah, the search for the other four crew

(55:22):
members because these guys are like, no, they're their death.
But when they got back to land, these two people
were identified as Kirby Archer and guiermo Zarabozo, not you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
So in the meantime, my gosh, this is all happening.
They're paying these guys up off the boat. Back on land,
authorities were starting a more thorough search of the Joe Cool.
This time they managed to find four nine millimeters spent
shell casings, a blogan, darts, throwing stars, and a handcuff key.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Oh, which is just what a mix this is knives out.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Yeah, And I'll be honest, when I heard that list,
I'm wondering if like some of those things they just
like the crew, someone in the crew just like kept
on the boat.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
And what of those things were brought on by Interesting
Archer and Sara Bozo. I don't know, though, I don't know,
but it's all unusual, very very weird. The shell casings
were lining up with what Archer and Zarabozo had said
to authorities, but everything else was kind of strange.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Like the reperstrat stuff. It appeared there were signs of
a struggle, like the place had been sort of ransacked,
but they didn't think that anything had actually been stolen,
leading investigators to think that pirates were not to blame, because.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
Why would they just walk on to mess up a boat,
kill some people, and then leave. Yeah, they didn't take anything.
Very weird. Why would they clean up the buttle? It
just doesn't make sense. Yeah, so they start, once Archer
and Zara boat Boso got back to land, they start.
It's not like a full interrogation, but they started asking
him some questions.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Well yeah, and then Zarabozo makes this strange statement to
authorities saying they're talking about him walking from the pier
to land and like seeing the Joe cool as he's
walking past and is like, I've never been on that boat.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
What? Yeah, He's like, I'm not I don't even recognize
that boat. They're just walking along. I don't know that boat.
What dude, Yeah, what are you talking about? They were
like that's weird, that is weird, and immediately take him
into custody. They're like, he's lying about somebody's ocean madness,
ocean madness, so they take, they take to get them

(57:48):
into custy. This is weird, good idea. In initial interviews
with the FBI, the men claimed that three Cuban pirates
had boarded the boat and killed Captain Jeff, his wife
Kelly Scott, and the first made Sammy. Then they forced
the two men to drive the boat towards Cuba. Around
eight hours later, the boat ran out of gas. And

(58:08):
it sounds like after that a second boat arrived to
like pick up the pirates and then take them off,
and archer Endzarbozo, fearing they were stranded with no gas,
hopped in a lifeboat and hoped to get rescued. So
this is the initial story. I don't believe you. Yeah,
it seems I think, if you're not listening too closely,
it seems legit. I was like, okay, fuck yeah, But

(58:32):
obviously there's some very media red flags. Right, Why would
you get into a lifeboat from a vessel that has
only run out of gas, Like it's not sinking, it's
not compromised, Like that boat is much safer than a
life route and you probably have food and water on
there and TV. And also might I point out plenty

(58:56):
of communication stuff I was gonna say, you would radios,
stuff they could use to so os.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Like that was all on board. You're lying liars, And
it did not sound like it sounds like they made
any attempt.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
To like some nautical nonsense, indeed to like sos or anything. Yes,
very weird.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
They were also questioned about, like why would pirates simply
abandon the boat without stealing anything, leaving two passengers alive
and killing four of them? You know, that was kind
of weird. This along with the inconsistencies in Archer and
zur Bozo's statements about what the pirates were wearing when
they left the boat and in which order Jeff, Kelly,

(59:38):
Scott and Sammy were killed.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Your story straight, boys, Yeah, those two things they even
made investigators even more suspicious. Absolutely so stupid FI starts
looking into the background of these guys. Who are these guys,
where did they come from? What have they been up to?
Turned up some interesting things. Uh oh. Garbozo was like
he was an average guy. He was eighteen when this happened,

(01:00:03):
so he didn't have a criminal history. He was working
as an armed security guard, and he sort of had
these aspirations to like go into the military or go
into law enforcement like that kind of thing. So Archer,
on the other hand.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Had some pretty heavy allegations back in Arkansas, oh dear.
While he was living there, he had been working as
a customer service manager at Walmart, where he was accused
of stealing over ninety thousand dollars. Oh my god, before
heading towards Florida.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Oh and by the way, he was also being accused
of child sexual abuse with more than one young boy,
including his own children. Ew, whatye bitch. So it sounds
like to me their theory is that he had these
child abuse allegations, stole a bunch of money from Walmart,

(01:01:02):
and fled to Florida. Oh yeah, that's what it sounds
like to me. Yeah. So so following all of that,
he an eighteen year old boy, Yeah, got it, he
goes to Florida.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Like, all of that definitely gave him motive about these
murders right happening on the Joe Cool. So this gives
the FBI enough probable cause to arrest Archer, so he
could remain in custody because they have a custody limit. Meanwhile,
police executed a search warrant at Zarabozo's home, where they
found a receipt for a purchase of nine millimeter ammunition

(01:01:35):
that connected to the shell casings. They took all of
this back to Archer, threatening the death penalty.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
He was like, I don't know, yeah, he was. That
was enough to like make him crack. He's like death penalty.
So he spilled. He spills the beans about this wasn't
Pirates of the Ku.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Yeah, he spills the beans about what happens on the
Joe cool now. According to Archer, after he fled Arkansas,
he went to Florida, where he met Zara Bozo working
as a security guard and an auto shop. The two
ban chatting, and eventually Archer told Zarabozo that actually he
was a CIA and he needed his help with a

(01:02:15):
job to Cubaw. If he helped, Archer said he would
be able to get Zarabozo a job with the CIA,
something that sounded really appealing to this eighteen year old
who had like.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Law enforcement aspirations. Oh my god, right, so he's like CIA,
yes please? Uh. Archer said that he shot Captain Jake
and his wife Kelly, but Zarabozo shot Scott in first
mate Sammy, and then they threw all four bodies overboard, right.

(01:02:48):
Their bodies have never been recovered unfortunately, which in channels
like that I think is pretty common. Yes, yeah, sharks, Yeah, yeah,
that's it. Both Archer and Zarabozo were charged with the
murders of Jeff and Kelly Branham, Scott Gamble, and Sammy Carey.
On October tenth, two thousand and seven. Archer decided to

(01:03:08):
plead guilty to first degree murder, robbery, kidnapping, and hijacking,
doing so in order to avoid the death penalty. Yeah,
because he was like fuck that, Yeah, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
A year later, Archer would receive four consecutive life terms
in prison.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
So Arbozo was tried on all the same charges, along
with some weapon related charges, and I'm assuming that's because
of the receipt and like his role in purchasing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
I don't know that makes sense. He was initially found
guilty on the weapons charges, but the jury was deadlocked
on the murder and piracy charges because a lot of
juries thought that Archer initiated the entire thing sort of
was like hey, just like got this stuff and was like, hey,

(01:03:56):
I'm going to charge this boat, why don't you come
with me? And Zarbozo had no not like prior knowledge
of it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. The jury
was kind of like and that makes sense. I'm not
convinced he was fully involved. I'm not convinced either, Yeah,
I mean it could be a little manipulation and right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Right, So a retrial was ordered because they couldn't agree
on the charges, and at this retrials, Arbozo was found
guilty of four counts of murder in February two thousand
and nine and sentenced to five life sentences plus eighty
five years. Neither has a possibility parol.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
Good. Both are still in prison. Good. I hope they
have to eat like only fish forever. Yeah. It's just
sad because well for obviously murder. Yeah, but it's I
think especially sad because like the families can't bury their dead. Sure, yeah,
they're just like they never found the bodies. They don't

(01:04:52):
have a place to go visit, like yeah, which is
really really and they literally did nothing wrong. Yeah, that
is so sad to look that guy that's the story
of the Joe cool. Oh that is not so cool
at all. No, definitely not. Well before you decide to
go travel into the ocean, I guess maybe check out

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They're so good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
It's so good. I've watched Below Deck and Below Deck Mediterranean.
I still need to watch Sailing yet, but I haven't
gotten there yet because I'm trying to get through Housewives,
which is gonna take a while.

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Yeah, for sure. And there's another one down under that
I haven't lost yet. That's like the Australian one. Oh
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(01:06:41):
They are certainly places for that. Yes, do you have
any closing thoughts before we uh finish? It definitely makes me.
This all makes me way less likely than I was
before cruise. I mean, I'm doing it. I'll take my
thousands of dollars elsewhere. Fair fair, Okay, just fly there

(01:07:02):
and go where you want to go, stay on? Yes, perfect,
yes uh.

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Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
We will see you in two weeks, and I'm pretty
sure a happy New Year's is in order because these
will come out in twenty twenty five. I think, yeah, right,
So I hope you guys have a happy twenty twenty five.
From us, here at the BTC. Yes, well that's it.
Okay bye. Along the highway, it was as if the wave.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
The people washed over West Town.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
Well, you were wearing some form