Episode 195 - Doll Chat - The Bad Taste Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, why they discovered upon their arrivals unspeakable.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm not doing.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
They did want bother.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's the living. You gotta worry about something.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
If I couldn't keep them there with me whole, at
least I felt that I could keep their skeletons.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hello and welcome to the Bad Taste Crime Podcast. I'm Rachel,
I'm VICKI Hi. Are you guys? Are you cold? Yeah?
All the time? Yeah, constantly? I know it's so chilly.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
This is the only thing I like about winter is
that I get to like be bundled up inside.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
I actually keep my place like kind of on the
cool side because I like him and like the blankets
and sweatshirts and uh. But I Am have said it
before and I'll say it again. Not made for this
weather me neither. I cannot stand winter. Yeah, yeah, see
I'm a tourist.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'd be bundled up inside all all year round.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
I'm ready for it to be over. Me too ready
for it to be done, mostly because I don't like
driving to work in this absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
But it has started to get lighter out later, like
stay lighter later, which is nice.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
It's better. It makes it less depressing. I know, yes,
but we will not.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Bore you with weather chaff forever. Yes, we will know.
If this is your first time listening, a special hello
to you. We are going to head over to the newsroom.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Said, watching.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Tells us.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Today we had fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
So this week we are to Okay, Rachel, Hi, tell
what would you say? Tell me what these things have
in common? Okay? Okay?

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Elvis impersonators, conspiracy theories, illegal art, organ harvesting, a feud
with the state representative, an attempt to kill the president
with risin, and a frame job.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
What hello? I mean it sounds like my stream of
consciousness to be crazy, right.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
All of these things come together in a documentary series
on Netflix called The King of Tupelo, which is I
didn't I had never heard of it, didn't know what's
coming out. I happened to spot it like a couple
of days after it had come out, and I was like,
this sounds interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Wild oh wild.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
It is by the same people who did Wild, Wild Country,
Oh my God, which is about the Rashini cheese. Yes,
and I always bring them up as the people who
put Samanella on the Face, which was a crazy documentary.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, don't do that.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yes, so, Kings of Tupelo. It is a crazy story.
This is I'm going to read directly from the Wikipedia
description because I can't even explain it.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
The series focuses on Kevin Curtis, a former Elvis impersonator
and conspiracy theorist from Tubelow Or, Mississippi. Curtis, which is
also Elvis's hometown. Yeah bt dubs. Curtis was fired from
the North Mississippi Medical Center and became convinced the hospital
was involved in illegal organ harvesting. Curtis developed a feud

(03:32):
with his state representative, Steve Holland after Holland refused to
support his proposed legislation on organ trafficking. Holland also coincidentally
owned several funeral homes.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Oh my god, feeling Curtis's conspiracy theories. Curtis was later
framed by James Everett Dushki, a Taekwon Doe instructor, Wayne
Newton impersonator and Republican candidate for office in two thousand
and seven, who ran against Holland for sending the twenty
third teen rice and letters to President Barack Obama. Judge

(04:03):
Sadie Holland and Senator Roger Wicker. This guy's the joker. Hello.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
It is.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
An insane story, and like he Curtis, Kevin Curtis is
like fully engrossed and like online conspiracy culture, especially when
it came to like the illegal organ harvesting stuff. But
like then shit starts happening where he's like he is
actually being surveilled.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
By the FBI, and they eventually.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Like carry out this raid on his house because of
these rice in letters, and they pull him in and
he's like, I have no idea what the fuck you're
talking about, which only like fuels things even more, like whoa, yeah,
it is a what it's only three episodes. It is
a wild, wild story. Kevin Curtis himself is quite a character,
oh my god. And he actually was known for they

(04:57):
were the only brother Elvis and Personator duo. They were
like the first and only and they were like super
popular on the Elvis Impersonator circuit, which is a huge
ass deal out in Mississippi.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Like, dude, it's crazy. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
It was a very fun documentary, but like just the
connections and the thing, Oh my god, I want to
watch that's so bad that you really should you want
to you would really like it.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
I think a lot of people would really enjoy it.
But it just just like, no.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Matter what you think is happening in the story, there's
something else going on. Like it's just a wild, wild whoa.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Wild story that sounds called The Kings of Tupelo. It's
on Netflix. Definitely check it out. I'm doing that. Uh
we are? Did I even do news? Did I skip
right to Netflix? I think I said, well, I was like,
I just got so excited about this. Yeah, we're gonna

(06:01):
back up and do it. It's a format. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
So this week our news comes from Texas. Oh, Laredo, Texas,
I believe, Okay, where police believe they have made what
they believe is the largest avocado recovery in the history

(06:23):
of Hill County.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
What.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
There is the thing down there with people sealing avocados.
There was a huge cargo theft that was reported to
the Laredo Police departmit like the meat theft on December thirteenth.
And then they find this eighteen wheeler like semi truck
that they think is it's like matching the description. I
think it matches the license plate. So they pull it

(06:51):
over and they lock in the back and they find
more than thirty four thousand avocas.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yes, oh my god, yep, that's mad avocados.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yep, too many, I think. Yeah, they recovered them. They
transferred them to a secure location before they were able
to actually transfer them back to the company that owned
the avocados.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Wow. Yeah, so they recovered thirty four thousand avocados. I mean,
avocados is one of those crops where like it can't
really grow everywhere, true, right, So, like I have I
have heard of things like that before where people are
trying to like.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Why don't think we grow them really in the US.
Not really, It's more in Mexico, right.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Right, Yeah, I was prive, right, Yeah, I was surprised
when you said they were from California. I was like,
I thought they only grew in Mexico, but maybe they
also grow in California a little bit. Well, they probably.
I mean it's possible that they were here and they
just stole the cargo, oh for sure, because it was
just like avocados and bac Mexican. Yeah, like they had
already been shipped up here for couto mystery. I don't

(08:00):
even weird. Oh my gosh, I love that.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Well, this is that part of the show where we
say content might not be appropriate for all listeners. Mine's
actually not too, it's really not. But what are we
talking about today?

Speaker 2 (08:16):
We're talking about spies. Oh my god, totally spies topic.
I picked spies. Yeah, I feel like a reason, you know,
I feel like it's topical.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
I don't know, honestly that we've ever done like a
spy episode espionage.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I think we've talked about spies, but not as like
the topic, Like they come up in sort of tertiary ways, right,
because it's like, you know, a spy committing a murder,
or the spy is the victim or whatever. But I'm
so interested in like the double life aspect of it,
and like the secrecy. I just think that's so interesting. Yeah,

(08:57):
super interesting. Are you into like any spy movies? I
need James Bond.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I've seen one James Bond in my entire life, and
it was Skyfall.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
That's the best one.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
I don't know that everybody would agree with you, especially
the older folk they can show.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
But that is like the only James Bond fight. I
Spy movies are not necessarily my thing. I do like
the mysterious aspect of it.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Right, But I think there's other things that I watch
with people leading sort of double roles. Like recently I
have been rewatching Severance because several season two. Have you
watched that, No, but I know, yeah, severn season two
starts soon, like with in the next week or so,
and so there is definitely like so double lifestyle, not

(09:50):
necessarily spies, but just like interesting in work.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
There one thing out of work. There a different thing,
type of thing, and it's very interesting.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
So I feel like I get that knee filled in
other places.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
That's the thing. That's the thing is like, and I'm
trying so hard not to be political in this episode.
I'm doing so good already. But that's the thing. Is like,
whenever I was looking into this guy's life and all
of his like espionage, I'm like, oh, he's just like
a cop. Yeah yeah, I'm like, oh, you're blame Yeah. Exciting.

(10:25):
That's the thing too. It's like, not all of spying
is necessarily the most exciting thing in the world. It's
like actiony and stuff. It's just like, well, when I
was reading, because he's this guy, this guy is really interesting,
You're going to really be interested in this guy and
he has this whole he's lived like three bazillion lives
in his one lifetime. Okay. But as soon as I
was like, oh, okay, he's going to go work for

(10:46):
the government for this organization. Oh it's the precursor to
the CIA. Oh they do bad things. Oh, this guy's
going to do bad things. My grandpa worked for the
precursor to see. Well, he probably did bad things too.
Oh he did not. He did not. Well, it was classified.

(11:07):
No I know what he did. I was not on
the dad side of just joking. I haven't told you
that story. But yeah, no, he that's where he met
my grandma. No way, Oh that's cute. My dad's dad
helped he worked for he was in the Navy, and
he helped with like the formation of radar. And it

(11:30):
was funny because it was classified. So when he went
home to my grandma, he couldn't talk about it, and
he he was such a dick. He was like, it's
so secret. He's like, the only thing I can tell
you is that it's so secret. They it's spelled the
same way backwards and forwards because radar. Oh, isn't that dumb.
He's so dumb, like we found a bunch of like

(11:52):
letters of like certification, like you helped with radar.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, from my from my understanding, And I know my
mom listens to the show, so if I get this wrong,
she'll probably tell me. But my understanding is that he
he worked with the like, uh communications intercepting side of things.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Ooh cool. Yeah, it was like in that area. Love it,
yeah yeah, love that, love them, Yeah, that's anyway anyway.
So the spy I picked is Mo Burgh, who, like
most spies, lived somewhat of a double life. But unlike
most spies who likely spend their civilian lives in relative

(12:34):
quiet as to not draw too much attention themselves. Right
as you would, which would make sense, Moe was like, Mmm,
I'm actually famous, Okay famous? Wow. He played fifteen seasons
of Major League Baseball with teams such as the Cleveland Indians,
Brooklyn Robbins and the Socks both white and red. WHOA, Yes,

(12:56):
that is not low key below cover, wouldn't you think so?
But you're like, I'm literally playing baseball.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Is it so obvious that people are like, Nah, that
can't be right, Like he's just famous.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I don't know, We'll see Okay, how did one man
balance a moderately successful baseball career while also doing sketchy
stid for the government. I'll do my best to tell you. Okay.
So Moe was a New York guy. He was born
in Harlem, but his parents Rose and Bernard Berg, which
Bernard Berg that's so cute, moved the family to Newark

(13:31):
when Moe was three. Okay, they had emigrated to His
parents had emigrated to the US from Ukraine, and they
reportedly moved to Newark because of the anti Jewish attitude
in Harlem. Okay, but like, and this is like I'm
not trying to be like, I'm sure it was. I
know it was like an awful time and everything, but
like you would think that at that point, like as

(13:53):
a Jewish person in this area, you would think that
you would move to somewhere where you would have community
with a you know, there's safety in numbers. But he
moved to Newark specifically because there were not a lot
of Jewish people there. Okay, So it was kind of
like he wanted to hide that part of his idea.
He's just like, I just didn't even want to be involved, right, yeah, right,
which is you know, I'm not trying to shame him, right,

(14:16):
that's so sad, and so because of that they stuck out,
which I'm like, that was not a good plan, sir. Listen,
he's already like a plus spying, Like, already, let me
go to the place where I am completely different.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
No on respect right, pretty much, he's under undercovered. Yeah,
he's so under he's overcovered.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Got overham Mo, by all accounts, was a good kid
who loved school and loved to learn. School led to sports,
by which, of course, I mean mostly baseball, which he
started playing at the age of seven. By his mid teens,
Mo was playing baseball for his high school as a
third baseman. He graduated, went to NYU for a year,

(15:03):
and then transferred to Princeton. Oh fancy, anti fancy. So
he's from like an area like Newark was really nice,
but a lot of like his peers, like his little
baseball playing peers, were like not super academically inclined, not
that they weren't smart, but they saw more opportunity and
going right and not you know, it was not cool

(15:25):
to be like a nerd and be smart. But moo
literally big brain here spoke seven languages. Wow, Yeah, which
is how he got a ba in modern language from Princeton.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, well, I'm sure, even just like living in a home,
because if his parents were from Ukraine, I'm sure they
spoke Ukrainian.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Is it? Does Ukraine have their own language? I think
Ukrainian is its own language. Are you sure, I'm or
do they speak Russian? I'm actually not sure. I'm actually
not sure, but we have very vulnerable moments of being
really down the sometimes. Yeah, I think it's its own language,
Ukraine's language. Let's find out. Hmmm, it is Ukrainian. Yeah, okay,

(16:11):
because there's been this whole TikTok oh. But many citizens
speak Russian as their first language.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Right where they were, right, Okay, I know people from
Ukrainians speak, but they there you go. Frankly, his parents
probably spoke both, right, So that's three languages right there
if you count English, right, And that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
And that wasn't even like mentioned. And also even though
they were trying to separate a little bit from their
Jewish heritage, they probably spoke Yiddish, you know, in the home.
So like I'm sure now, being a nerd did not
make him popular at Princeton somehow, which is lame, like
that's kind of the whole point of Princeton, or to
be rich. That was pretty much. It was not rich,

(16:52):
and so he didn't He always said like he didn't
fit in and he didn't like it there, and he
was kind of on the outskirts. You can be a nerd,
but you got to be like snobby, like like yeah, yeah, yeah,
like sult burn.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Oh I still haven't seen that. I know, I know,
it's so interesting. However, he was a pretty decent ballplayer.
He beat his team beat Harvard and Yale during the
senior season, and this is just like a cute little
detail him and another basement because he played a full disclosure.

(17:25):
If you guys have been listening for a while, I
don't know anything about sports. Sports are very confusing to me.
I played softball for a lot of years. I know,
and you I got you girls, But oh my poor husband,
Like every second as I was researching this, I'm like,
what is this main? What is this main? And honestly
I skip a lot of the baseball stuff because I
just don't really understand it. So if you're interested in
learning about Moburg's baseball history, that's another podcast. We're not

(17:49):
the sports. No, we're not until we do episodes about sports,
and then we are for just like an episode, just
like an episode. But like, I'm just past playing as
someone who knows about sports. I really don't. But him
and another basement would communicate because he spoke so many languages.
Other basement happened to speak Latin, so they would communicate
their plays secretly to each other in Latin. And that's

(18:11):
how they would like defeat the other team. Nice, so cute.
I love it. Also wicked fucking nerdy like that is
also nerdy Latin, so nerdy, that's like some dark academia shit,
and I love it. He played shortstop, I guess, and
his nerdy Latin speaking ass was gathering some solid attention,
which led him to be signed by the Robins in

(18:34):
nineteen twenty three for five thousand dollars, which would be
eighty nine thousand today. Yeah that's really good, right, really good.
I'm gonna say some numbers I don't understand. For the season,
Berg batted zer point one eight seven and made twenty
one errors in forty seven games, okay, which is like,
from what I read, that's like fine, Yeah, and that

(18:55):
was pretty much Yeah, pretty much like his whole baseball career,
he was and of labeled as being like mediocre.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, it's not it's definitely, it's not amazing. It's it's
kind of like.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, it's pretty like yeah, you know, right middle of
the back, right. What I thought was funny was one
of the articles I was reading said that after his
first season, instead of using that like off time to
get into better shape, which is what all the other
players were doing, he toured Italy and Switzerland. He was like, bye, cool,

(19:26):
I'm gonna go eat cheese, see you later. But then
when he came back, his coach was like, wow, have
we been laying around eating a lot of cheese, fatty?
We can tell bye? Literally, So they transferred him to
another team. He was like, get out, really yeah, he
was like, go on tubs. So he was kind of
like and again I don't know if this is a

(19:46):
common thing in baseball, but he almost was like kind
of like a like a sub like where he would
go to this team for a little while, and then
he would go to this other team for a while,
and one of these guys's players got hurt, so they
would take him and.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
He would do Yeah, I've noticed in baseball specifically. Maybe
I'm wrong, but it seems like they do a lot more,
especially like mid season.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Trading of people with other sports. It seems like I
always and of course do I know about this now,
but it always seems like, oh, this guy got transferred
and it's like this big ass deal and it's like
super permanent. Yes, And in baseball it just seems like, well,
he went over here for a little bit that ye're
over here. And I mean, obviously it depends on what
kind of contract he signed, right, and this was the twenties,
so I don't know. Yeah, so you so he was

(20:31):
just kind of like, yeah, coming to help. So his
baseball career wasn't going like super super incredible, okay, but
he kept his nose to the grindstone and ended up
getting signed by the White Sox in nineteen twenty five.
Very cool, which like you'd think he would immediately be
like in the gym every single day trying to get fit,
but he was actually like, thanks for signing me, but

(20:52):
I'm going to law school.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
Bye.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Okay. So he skipped the first two months of the
season to go to Colombia.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Wow, And that was kind of what Wow did yep.
He was like see yah because Columbia is a good
law school.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
He was smart as fuck. Yeah, he was really really smart,
and he was just kind of like, yeah, I don't
want like and they would call him and offer him
more money and he was like, no, I want to
go to law school. They want to offer him more.
I love how hard they're trying to get a mediocre
player for real. That's what I didn't understand either, Like
he was just kind of fine, like he would have

(21:24):
seasons where he did really good.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, but then and a lot I mean, I will
say like in baseball too, like a lot of it
is potential, right, like you can train potential.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
But right, and just that they were I think, so
so hard. Yeah, I have no idea. So that was
kind of what he did for the next two years.
When it was time for spring training, he was like,
I've actually got like a law school homework, so I'm
not doing that. So I'm not doing the training. Bye
fair So he played to remember when Robert Pattinson got
cast as Batman, Yes, and they were like, oh my god,

(21:54):
are you like, do you have like a workout routine.
He's like I'm not. Yeah, yeah, So immediately I thought
of that were he was like me, you know.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
I also I feel like that is not uncommon for
baseball players to just be like like there's he is
not the first and would not be the last to
have that attitude towards that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
I don't know. Maybe it's just like my like.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I'm not saying it's everybody, right, but like one or
two guys every couple of years will come out and just.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Be like on TV and then show up. Well I'm
gonna do that too, but like like, if I'm going
to be in front of a bunch of people and
a bunch of athletes, I'm gonna be yoked. I mean,
you know, like that's crazy. I don't think. Yeah, but
you don't need to be yoked to be good at
baseball either, But I bet it helps, it helps, It helps. Oh,

(22:40):
I thought this was so cute. So at one point he's,
you know, doing Columbia and he comes back and they're like,
you are flabby and not strong, like you need to
really strengthen you up. So they sent him to a
lumber camp. Okay, so he hauled big logs around for
three weeks and came back in quote the best shape
of his life, and he at that was the time

(23:02):
when he had like the best season nice. He was
literally a lumberjack yoked right right. I thought, I bet
he was getting true. Oh my gosh. He ended up
during this time passing the bar and gaining his LLB,
which is Bachelor of Laws in nineteen thirty. During this time,
he was still kind of floating around to different teams,

(23:24):
playing for the Cleveland Indians and the Washington Senators, which
is the cutest name for a team I've ever heard,
the Washington Senators at Senators, that's so dumb. He was
doing okay, impressing some people but not others. Dave Harris,
who is an outfielder on the Senators, a reporter was

(23:45):
talking to him and he was like, Wow, what do
you think of Mo? Like, it's really cool that he
speaks seven languages. He went, yeah, and he can't hit
in any of them. Roasted. Yeah, literally, like that that
is really fun. So I mean fair, very fair. Despite

(24:08):
a pretty average run, MO was invited to travel to
Japan with a team made up of some of the
most talented players of all time, a lineup that included
lou Gerrigg, Lefty Lopez and Babe Ruth, so like, holy shit,
have you hitters. He was so smart that when he
got to Japan, they were like, Okay, we have like

(24:29):
a translator, we can do like an entry speech. And
he's like, oh, I learned Japanese and he just did
like an entry speech for everyone, like thank you for
inviting us into your country. Wow, that's impressive, right, he
was so smart, so good at languages. Now. Mo had
actually made a contract with a newsreel company from New

(24:52):
York called Movie Tone News to film his trip, which
I guess was like not super uncommon back in the
day because I mean it's like the.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Thirties, So those are the things that would like roll
before the movies, right, like News of the Woe pretty.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Much was shooting bee roll. Yeah, it was pretty much.
So they provided him with a video camera and then
when he came home he would sell them the footage
like that. Oh so he would just do the videos himself, yes, oh,
because he was like I'm going to Japan and I
know you guys want footage, and they were like, we'll
give you this camera. Okay, go you film when you're
there and try to film a couple areas and we'll

(25:27):
accept it when we come back. And that was exactly
what it was was. It was for b roll like
background footage and all kinds of stuff that they just
have access to at the time. So the whole time
he's there, he's going on top of roofs and stuff
like filming it surroundings. He was taking it very seriously.
This footage would later become very very important to his future,
not as a baseball player, but as an asset to

(25:48):
the United States government. Oh shit, it's gross. In nineteen
forty one, after the attack on Pearl Harbor, Moe went
to the government and was like, hey, I speak seven languages. HIAII.
So he accepted a position with the OIAA, which was
the precursor to today's CIA. Yes, yeah, you bet. They

(26:10):
were jazzed to have a dude with that much life,
I'm sure. And he had also. I didn't mention all
of it, but like pretty much in all of his
off seasons, even when he was supposed to be on
he was traveling, going to the Philippines and going to
Italy and going to a So he'd gone to all
of these different places and he's like, well, actually, since
we're beefing with Japan. Do you want all this footage

(26:31):
I captured just in case you have to like attack that.
What year was it, nineteen forty one? Okay, okay, So
he still had all this footage and was like would
you like it? And they were like, yes, we would. Okay,
he would like that. Interesting. So they sent him to Europe,
the pre Cia oa IAA, Yeah, sent him to Europe

(26:55):
to so he was he was just kind of like
doing for them. He just kind of worked for them,
so he would do a variety of things. When he
first started there, he was going around Europe interviewing physicists
and trying to convince them to come and work for
them instead of working for Europe. Okay, come and live
in America, come and work for our government. So he

(27:18):
was doing that shit. So in November news about Heisenberg,
not Walter White, the other Heisenberg was giving a lecture
in Zurich. So Berg was like, yeah, I'll go there
and I'll attend the lecture. And if they're like okay,
make sure that he's not like we have several bombs.
So he was like okay. And if Berg concluded that

(27:44):
the Germans were like about to have a bomb. He
had orders to shoot Heisenberg. Okay, so he was. He
went on from being like, hello, mister physicist, that boy,
sure is rain here in Europe. Wouldn't you like to
live in sunny la And for the government to being like,
I will take out the target. Bro, what's crazy? Okay?

(28:06):
I love that They're like today you're doing this tomorrow murder. Yeah,
but yeah, but they were like giving guns to everybody
over there. Listen here you go, like, do what you
gotta do? Yep, oh sure were but he was like,
oh no, they're actually they don't have bombs yet. Okay,
we don't have to worry about it. So he did
not have to murder Heisenberg, which is great good. He
had direct orders like after that from FDR, he went

(28:31):
and talked to the head of the Supersonic Research Program
in Italy, Antonio Ferry, to pretty much do what he
was trying to get them to do, relocate to America
and design shit there. So that was like a huge
deal because he was like a big, big, big guy. Yeah.

(28:51):
When when he brought him back and was like MISSI unsuccessful,
mister President Roosevelt commented, I see that mo Burg is
still catching very will residents got jokes. So in nineteen
forty six he resigned from the OSS. I think he

(29:12):
just felt like he'd done all that he could do. Yeah. Yeah.
But then the CIA, which between then and now formed
into the CIA. From the OSS, we're like, hey, actually
come back immediately. Yea, come back because you have all
these World War two contacts and we're trying to figure
out the Soviet adam bomb. Yeah. So they're like, okay,

(29:35):
you come back. They're like, we're going to give you
ten thousand dollars plus all of your expenses. You go
and figure that out. And then they were like, have
you heard anything from Berg. No, I haven't heard anything.
They received nothing, So like he went on the trip, yeah,
but like I think he was just on the beach okay.

(29:55):
So he wasn't like actually doing any work, correct. He
was like thanks for the money, bye, sure. Well, and
in those days it was very easy to just disappear
and be like well, especially with.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
That kind of money, Like, yeah, he didn't he didn't
get yea beach somewhere yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
So I think that's what he was doing. So he
just kind of like was like okay, sorry, well bye.
I told you I wanted to quit. Yep, yep. He
was like, shouldn't have hired me? Yeah, idiot. Uh So
he went back to America and kind of just like
didn't do shit. Okay. He was living off of like

(30:31):
people who liked him, friends, relatives, fans, people were like,
oh my god, it's Malburg. You're so like charismatic and funny.
And he's like, ah, I don't have a job, don't
even worry about it. This is really cute. I love
those He didn't save any of that money, no, oh god, Okay,
and it's not it's like he did travel a lot, yeah,
but he but I feel like that would have been

(30:53):
paid for by the government, right right, Okay, you would think, yeah,
I don't know. I couldn't find out why he didn't
have any money. I was never like an alcoholic or
a drug addict or anything like that. Spending no, no, no,
no no. But I think he just he probably had
enough for like the basics or like get himself set
up at least a little bit, and then he was
just kind of like, I don't really want to do anything.

(31:15):
He was like a lazy bitch, which I love as
a fellow. He coasted pro poster, pro poster. I thought
this was really cute. So when his family and stuff
would ask him because they didn't know exactly what he
did because it was also secret, when they asked him
what he did for a living, this is a quote,

(31:35):
he would reply by putting his finger to his lips,
giving them the impression that he was still a spy
even though he fucking wasn't. So he was like, yeah,
I'm still doing spy work. I'm not just sitting here
doing I'm actually on patrol. I have to watch mad
Men right now. I have to. It's for the CIA.

(31:57):
So he lived with his brother, Samuel, never married, never
really dated, lifelong bachelor. Eventually Samuel kicked him out and
was like, you're not even a real spy, get out
of my house, okay, And he had to go and
move in with his sister because he was just like
a mean dickhead. Okay. So he almost got in in

(32:19):
nineteen fifty eight and nineteen sixty, he almost got into
the Baseball Hall of Fame. He had, like it says,
a handful of votes. Berg said, so a lot of
I'm sure this was probably both ways in both things
that he was in in baseball and an espionage I'm
sure both sides were like stop doing that and just

(32:40):
come over here full time, Like why can't you commit
to whatever it is? And he said, I'd rather be
a ballplayer than a justice of the US Supreme Court.
I don't care. Nice, I don't care. Yeah. A lot
of people were trying to get him to write his
memoir because obviously he's like a super fascinating dude, and
he was like no. But then finally in nineteen sixty

(33:02):
he was assigned a co author and they were like, well,
you need to do this because it'll make you a
lot of money. So here's this co author. He'll help
you and he knows a lot about you, so it'll
be fine. So he was like, all right, whatever, and
he turned and was like high, nice to meet you.
And he was like, oh my god, you're a mo
from the Three Stooges. Oh my god. He mixed him
up with He literally walked out of the building. He

(33:24):
was like, goodbye, I'm not doing this fucking memoir. Fucking
memoir that's gave memoir. So May twenty ninth, nineteen seventy two,
at the age of seventy, Berg died at his sister's
home where he was staying. So there was no there's
nothing about this. This is just me being a weirdo

(33:45):
conspiracy theorist. And he was. He was seventy, so he
was like a little old. But he fell at home
and he died. Damn. I was like, I mean, was
he assassinated? Did they take him out? They were like,
give us that ten thousand dollars? Sure, probably just old.
His final words were asking a nurse how the mets

(34:07):
were doing at the hospital. Of course she was like,
day won. And then he died by his request, his
remains were cremated and spread over Mount Scopus, which is
in the occupied territory of Palestine. And that's it. That
is the super weird.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
So did it not did people not know he was
a spianzel after he died or did they know?

Speaker 2 (34:28):
They knew he was a spy, but they didn't know
the specifics, like they knew he worked for the government.
So it was kind of like a nudge nudge kind
of thing. But all of this came out afterwards. Okay, okay, Wow,
isn't that cool? Wow? So it's like, wow, that's a
mediocre ballplayer, and it's like that mediocre ballplayer almost killed.
Heisenberg was also a mediocre spe He never accomplished anything. Really,

(34:50):
he was very good at being average, real for real,
honestly saying, that's wild.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
That was so good.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
I thought it was interesting. So we're gonna switch gears
just a little bit, but not really. I love it.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
I'm here for it because I want to talk about
the doll woman, Velvely Dickinson.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Well, I think it's just a great name. It's an
amazing name, Velvelyvelvey. Yes, so.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Velvely Dickinson was born in Sacramento, California, in eighteen ninety three,
ok to Otto and Elizabeth Bulcher. In nineteen eighteen, Dickinson
graduated from Stanford University, which is kind of amazing for
a woman.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
I was gonna say nineteen ninety movie. But she did
not get her Bachelor of Arts until nineteen thirty seven,
in a couple of gap years because no, due to
an allegation and that she hadn't returned books. Oh shut up,
those librarians are serious. Yeah, they're like, we won't I mean,
I didn't know that was practice back then, where they're like,

(36:09):
we won't give you your diploma until you like pay
all of your library funds, and that was something from
high school. They used to say, Yeah, you have to
pay all your library funds. I know, I worked at
the library in high school, which meteenth censor you're not walking.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
I always wondered if like that actually kept anybody from walking,
or if those people were just like, I don't really
give a shit anyway.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
No, it keeps people from gradu that's crazy. Yep, anyway,
so that's funny.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
She started out working for a bank before getting a
job at a San Francisco based brokerage company from nineteen
twenty eight to nineteen thirty five, working with the Benjamin
It was there she would meet her third husband, Lee
Taylor Dickinson. According to Smithsonian magazine quote, the firm had
many Japanese clients, so it was not surprising when the

(36:55):
couple became active in the Japanese American Society. Yet, oddly,
when shady dealings, as described by the FBI brought the
business down and caused them to be kicked out of
the society, a Japanese diplomat stepped in to reinstate the
Dickinsons and underwrite their society. Dudesmo Interesting and Shortly after

(37:16):
their marriage, Dickinson worked in social services for a few
years in California, and then the couple actually relocated.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
To New York.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Okay, Okay, so now they're in New York. So when
they arrived there, they got there just in time for
Dickinson to start working as a clerk in Bloomingdale's for
the nineteen thirty seven holiday season okay, Christmas time.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
She was hired in the doll department, which at you
know what it was something at the time that was very,
very lucrative because costume doll collecting was like a hobby,
oh totally that was really booming. It was especially popular
with like really wealthy people and doll collectors.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
And like it was like a big yeah, totally big deal.
I think it's creepy, Like I kind of love it,
but it's scary.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yeah, it's I'm pretty sure of the reason we have
like American girl dolls now. Yeah, but like, yeah, no,
it was a big back then. It was like a big, big,
big hy so good for her. That was actually pretty lucrative.
And then the following year, Dickinson decided to branch out
on her own and open her own doll business. Which

(38:31):
she started out of her apartment and then they eventually
moved to a storefront that was just across the street,
so they lived right across the street. It was also
on Madison Avenue, which was like good location, Like ye traffic,
it is again like an area where the more wealthy
people frequent to do shopping and stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
And the yeah yeah, all the do you.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Sell the pictures of like the storefront with just like
dolls in the window is like yeah, because it's like
thirty thirty stills without are like Annabel weird.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah basically pretty much. Yeah, that's scary. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
So it was tough going in the beginning, despite catering
to wealthy clients and having this prime location on Madison Avenue,
but they continue to try their hardest. Dickinson even continued
her involvement in the Japanese American community by joining New
York's Japanese Institute. This is from History Net quote. The

(39:26):
only flamboyant streak in her life was her conspicuous habit
of attending social functions at the Japanese consulates in San
Francisco and New York clad in traditional Japanese attire.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Oh okay, weeb, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
They even mentioned Dickinson quote entertaining consulate officials in her
home as well. Oh okay, so they are like very
much in those circles.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Now, the struggle with the shop all seemed to be
worth it because by nineteen forty three they had built
up a pretty decent like male order side of the business, okay,
because she was dealing.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
With people like worldwide. Yeah, I mean, oh, that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
The doll community becomes this thing was like and it's
all done by male communications.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah, oh my god, weird.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
No internet vintage. So things seem to be going pretty well.
But unfortunately, Lee Dickinson died in nineteen forty three from
a heart condition unspecified heart condition, and Velvily was left
to run the store on her own. Now, during this time,
all the stuff that I've been talking about, the United

(40:35):
States is like fully in the middle of World War two,
and just a few years before her husband's death was
the bombing of Pearl Harbor. So we're going to go
back just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Why do we always do stories that are around the
same time.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
I know that is so well and really a lot
there was a lot of spying going on, like World
War two, in the cold, like super funny. It was
a very spy, a heavy espionage heavy time.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah for sure. No, it's the best time for supports.
It really was. Spying is like a whole different game. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Now, yep, big time. Yep, thank you Internet. Yeah. So
we're gonna go back in time just a couple of months,
like before the bombing of Pearl Harbor. So Lee is
still alive at this point. Now, during the war, the
FBI was using wartime sensors to intercept and scan communications

(41:28):
that were potentially threatening to the American wartime efforts. So
the FBI intercepts this letter that was allegedly from someone
in Portland, Oregon to someone in Buenos Aires, Argentina. These
letters talked about a quote wonderful doll hospital and referenced
three quote old English dolls that had been left for repairs,

(41:53):
along with references to like fishnets and balloons. Okay, this
is I got a lot of information direct from the
FBI's website about this case. So this is from that quote.
FBI laboratory IF cartographers examined the letter and concluded that
the three old English dolls probably were three warships and

(42:13):
the doll hospital was a shipyard where repairs were made.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Interesting they first all in code.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
They further concluded that the fishing nuts referred to some
marine nuts protecting ports on the West coast, and that
the reference to balloons was intended to convey information about
other defense installations on the West coast. So they get
this letter and they're like, we think this is in code. Yeah,
and so they opened an investigation to try to figure out,

(42:41):
Oh my god, if there's like US defense secrets being
shared with the enemy from somewhere within the US.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
I'm just imagining its two little, tiny old ladies like,
what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yeah, yeah, So this is going on with this first letter,
and then all of a sudden, these letters start arriving
at addresses in the US that have been addressed to
a person in Buenos Aires, and we're being returned to
senders undeliverable. Okay, so the names and addresses on the
letters were correct, and the letters contained accurate information about

(43:14):
their lives and like doll chat, but most emphatically denied
having written these letters. So they're being returned to sender
to these real addresses of real people who are doll collectors.
But they're like, yeah, that kind of looks like my signature.
They open, it's just like a little doll with a
knife or just like doll eyes.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Like that's so scared. Oh my god. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
So they're like, no, this looks like my signature, and
this kind of sounds like me. But like I swear,
I didn't write these letters. I have no idea where
they're coming from. Ew So they're like, what the going on, bookie? Yeah,
So again from the FBI. One of these letters quote
contained the words destroyed your spelled d T R O

(44:06):
Y ed so and then your is in all caps
like destroyed your and in the same sentence made reference
to a mister Shaw who had been ill but would
be back to work soon. Significantly. This letter was written
a short time after it became known that the destroyer
Sean like destroyed.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Your destroyer Yeah I love.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
This, which had had its about blown off at Pearl Harbor,
was being repaired in a West Coast shipyard and would
soon rejoin the fleet.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
That's I love like talking in code, that is so fun.
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Another letter furnished to the FBI from a Colorado woman
discussed a family of seven real Chinese dolls. This letter
had been written and sent shortly after a bunch of
warships had come into San Francisco for and it had
been delivered. Had it been delivered as intended, would have
been very valuable information for the opposing side, because it

(45:08):
was like a lot of ships that had just come
back in for repairs.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah yeah whoa. Yet another letter was provided to the
FBI from a woman in Oregon, which read quote, I
just secured a lovely Siamese temple dancer. It had been
damaged that is tour in the middle, but it is
now repaired and I like it very much. I could
not get a mate for this Siam Dancer, so I

(45:32):
am redressing just a small plane ordinary doll into a
second Siam doll. The FBI took building another ship right.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
The FBI took this to mean I just secured information
of a fine aircraft carrier warship. It had been damaged
that is torpedoed in the middle, but it is now
repaired and I like it very much. They could not
get a mate for this, So a plane ordinary warship
is being converted into a second aircraft carrier.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
This is so fun, It's crazy. It's crazy. Frankly, it's
not like the most sophisticated code. No, not at all,
like I figured it out just now. Not super Yeah right,
you can work in the FBI.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
I do so.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
A final letter was furnished to the FBI from a
woman in Spokane, Washington, which reads, in part quote, I
must tell you this amusing story. The wife of an
important business associate gave her an old German bisk doll
dressed in a hula grass skirt. It is a cheap,
horrid thing. I do not like it. I wish we

(46:39):
did not have to have it. About well, I broke
this awful doll last month. Now the person who gave
the doll is coming to visit us very soon. I
walked over, I walked all over Seattle to get someone
to repair it. No one at home could or would
try the task. Now I expect all the damages to
be repaired by the first week of February.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Again, the FBI interpreted the references to the doll as
a warship, that it's up for damage as a pearl harbor,
and it was being repaired and it would be done
in February.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
And apparently it's ugly. Yeah, I love that. I hate
this doll It's horrid. So I broke it. Girl, you
put it in a box. The image of her blocking
past his dollary day in her shot that she fucking
hates and then just like knocks it on the flaring
at it. But that's not it. Don't worry, it's just code.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Good things, just girly code things, girl code. So once
they had collected all of the letters there were I
think there was five in total, the FBI's lab began
trying to determine the origin of these letters. They had
determined that the signatures on all of the letters were forgeries.
Uh huh, because remember these people said it looked like

(47:52):
their signatures but it wasn't. Yes, so they were forgeries,
and they had been quote prepared from original signatures in
the possession of the forger okay, so like they had
access to try and copy the signatures. They also found
out that while the typewriters used to compose the letters

(48:13):
were different, each typewriter was different. They were there were
like typing characteristics from the letters that were the same
across all of them.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
So they're thinking it's like one person, right.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
But different typewriters. The agency looked for anything that would
have connected all of the addresses and people the letters
were sent from. But there really like was no connection
about it except that they were all doll collectors and
they all had done business with one Velvely Dickinson.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Velvary, you crafty lady, crazy bitch. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Now, one of the women was able to provide the
FBI with a previous letter that she had received from Dickinson,
like in their doll communication Doll talks dalchat, So the
FBI took that for comparison. They were able to then
determine that one of the letters was written on Dickinson's

(49:12):
own typewriter, stupid, but they couldn't connect the other four
to that typewriter. Further investigation into her past turns up
these connections to the Japanese American Society back in California, right,
just kind of a red flag at this point in time.
Turns out that at these social events in attendance were

(49:35):
Japanese Navy members as well as other high government officials.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Man the FBI, that's who she was entertained the meds.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
The FBI also learned that upon arriving in New York,
Dickinson began a friendship with the Japanese consul general and
a man named Ichiro Yokoyama, who happened to be the
Japanese naval attache from Washington, DC.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
I see interest to all a coincidence, all coming to
her explanation, she is so like, not me, I didn't
do that. Yeah, it's crazy. I'm just so.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
They were still trying to determine where four of the
five letters originated, as only one of them had been
confirmed to be from her typewriter. So turns out that
in the six months during which the letters had been sent,
Dickinson had been traveling some areas of the West Coast,
and this used to be a common thing. The hotels

(50:34):
where they were staying at had typewriters that were available
to gues to use.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
She's using the internet cafes.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Yeah, of yesteryear for the digital You came home crying.
So the FBI was able to go to all these
hotels and determine that the hotel typewriters were responsible for
the production of the other four letters and that the
timeline fits when she would have been in the area.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
That's some good detective wearing.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Wow again from the FBI quote continuing, FBI investigation disclosed
that missus Dickinson had consistently borrowed money from banks and
business associates in New York City as late as nineteen
forty one. However, in early nineteen forty three, she was
known to have had in her possession a large number
of one hundred dollar bills. Four of the bills which

(51:30):
she had used in transactions were traced by the FBI
to Japanese official sources, which had received the money before
the war.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
All girl busted, Oops busters, So Dickinson was arrested by
the FBI. I think so.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
She is arrested by the FBI on January eleventh, nineteen
forty four. By February, our favorite federal grand jury out
of the Southern District of New York, Oh God, hands
down and indictment for violation of censorship statutes, which held
a maximum sentence of ten years and a ten thousand
dollars fine.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Wow. Once she was in custody, the FBI investigated a
safe deposit box that had belonged to Dickinson and found
around thirteen thousand dollars WHOA which in nineteen forties money
is a lot right that was traceable to Japanese sources,
some of which had passed through the hands of Captain

(52:29):
Yuzo Ishikawa from the Japanese Naval Inspector's office in New York.
Oh yeah, uh huh, her bestie, her best of course.
Dickinson has another story for all of this money, claiming
that it was from doll sales, insurance companies and a
savings account, but later that was changed to say that
she had actually discovered the money under her late husband's

(52:54):
bed after he passed away, Like he died and then
all of a sudden, I found all this money in
the Wow, it's just like when you kill an enemy
in a video game and they turn into coins. Yes,
that is just like that. He just desponds. Yes. So
she was like, I don't know where it is. I
don't know where it came from. Her name Leta Valvalle

(53:14):
Valvally Belvally. You crazy.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yeah, She's like, I don't and then she she goes
the FPI and says, look, I did find it in
the mattress, but like, I don't actually know where it
came from. But I kind of suspect that maybe it's
got ties to these Japanese you like businessman and your
dead husband. Yeah, like we he always really wanted to
be part of these Japanese American societies and had he

(53:40):
was the one who had the Japanese connections.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
So he's not the one with the hot Japanese front. Okay, multiple,
multiple different ones. Get out of here, girl.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
A second indictment was handed down just months after the first,
which charged violating the espionage Statutes, the Registration Act of
nineteen seve and Censorships censorship statutes, all of which she
pleaded not guilty. Too well, Dickinson's attorneys managed to work
out a plea deal where Dickinson would plead guilty to
the censorship violations in exchange for the Registration Act and

(54:13):
espionage charges being dropped. She also agreed to provide the
FBI with any information she had regarding Japanese intelligence activities,
which I don't know that she had a ton. I
think it was the other way around.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Yeah, she was just like you were just using her
for that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
So following the guilty plea, Dickinson fest up to everything.
So she didn't confess until after the guilty plea, saying
she had gotten the information from innocent bystanders and personal observations.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
So she would just like she.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Would go to these areas where the naval bases were
at on the West coast and just be like a
sight seer and walk up to people and be like, hey.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
What's up? So, wow, shit is crazy? Right, what do
you think is going on? I guess she was like
gorgeous and no really, I mean, I'll show you a
picture later you can tell me. I don't know. Maybe
the picture that I saw is just like.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
The older version of her, so like I don't know,
but yeah, she was like yeah, I would just like
ask random people.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
They wouldn't think anything of it.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
I don't even know if it was because she was
beautiful or more because she was a woman, Like yeah,
true that people are like, oh, you're so innocent this
information and stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Oh shoot yeah. So she just was like yeah, people
would just like tell me stuff. Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
And she so she confessed She's like, yes, I wrote
these letters. But Dickinson still claimed that the whole transaction
was set up between her husband and Ichiro Yokiyama at
the doll store in nineteen forty one. She still was like,
I'm not the one who, yeah, put this.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
All into my dead husband.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Yeah, swear and she continued to say that the money
was hidden from her until she found it in the bed.
Although the FBI has evidence to dispute these claims, she
insists like, yeah, I really didn't know.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
But I did write those letters whatever, but I didn't
know about the money. Velmaine Rabbage, Oh my god. Ah,
she's a mess.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Dickinson was sentenced on August fourteenth, nineteen forty four.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
I'm imagining her making dolls out of like stuff from prison,
but like prison cell is all full of like toilet
paper tube dolls. Yeah, oh that's gross. Okay, continue, She'd
have to use poop, right, Like, there would have to
be They'd have to There'd have to be a poop
element there, I feel like. So.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Dickinson was senced on August fourteenth, nineteen forty four, with
the court saying, quote, it is hard to believe that
some people do not realize that our country is engaged
in a life and death struggle. Any hell given to
the enemy means the death of American boys who are
fighting for our national security. You, as a natural born citizen,
having a university education and selling out to the Japanese,

(57:05):
were certainly engaged in espionage. I think that you have
been given every consideration by the government. The indictment to
which you have pleaded guilty is a serious matter. It
borders close to treason. I therefore sends you to the
maximum penalty provided by law, which is ten years and
a ten thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Fine. Wow, So he was like, don't pull no punches. Yeah,
and they did.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Frankly, they did not fuck around when it came to
like espionage charges and stuff. Like they were like straight
to jail, straight to jail, straight to jail. Yeah, running
a doll shop, straight to jail, straight to jail. So like,
I'm kind of not surprised that she got them, especially

(57:47):
because even though she pled guilty, she came in like
I didn't do it and I don't know anything.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
You didn't even confess until afterwards.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Yeah, and like you didn't really care even after she
was in prison, and she still continued to claim that
she was innocent, like everything was her husband's fault.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
He's the one who set it up. She probably made
evil poop foodoo dolls of all the court, yeah, like
the judge and stuff. Yeah. But also how I'm shitting
to blame her dead husband? Yeah, I know, like come on,
like really, dude, hobby, Like yeah, get over it.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
He's like, yes, honey, you can open that doll shop
across the streets so the dogs can watch us from
the window every night when we go to bed.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Yeah, all of the ones you set up, yeah, to
watch us in bed.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Yes, Oh my god, getting a little kinky intentionally like
tilts the heads up to the apartment.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Oh my gosh. So yeah. She continued to be like,
I'm innocent. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
She was released in April nineteen fifty one and pretty
much disappeared into the ether. She just like goes off
and lives quiet life. Presumably is dead now wow, and
just is like that's the end.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
She thinks she put her soul in the dolls.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Okay, no, no, I don't, I really don't.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
It's done. What nothing nothing. That is so weird. So
that is weird. One the doll woman Thelvely Dickinson that
give me the creeps? Cool?

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Yeah, ew, But it's like that World War two time
period may get a last buying and shit. Yeah, so
before you decide to join the CIA, don't do that.
Don't do that, but maybe listen to this podcast.

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Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Right, Rachel, that has been our episode. Yeah, the Spies,
the Spies period, the Spy Yes, Spy Kids also Harriet
the Spy Kids for sure. It's ill crime by dinner time. Yeah,
uh no, that was That was a lot of fun.
I don't know that we've done a spy episode before,

(01:00:22):
so m and they were like hot to trot with
those Espianas charges back in the day. Yeah, they were
long one out. Yeah. Do you have any final thoughts
before we finish up? I just don't like dolls, that's
so scary. I'm going to get you a doll for Christmas.
Every the creepiest hanted doll I can find. Oh, actually
I do. I like that again, So as long as

(01:00:44):
it's haunted, it's fine. But it's just creepy and not haunted, Yeah,
then I don't want it. Okay, that's what I'm gonna find. Okay,
creepy but not haunted. Stay tuned for the next episode
called Rachel gets possessed by the Vicky put in her house.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
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