Episode 196 - X-Files: Japan Edition

Bank robberies: a classic crime with endless stories. We're telling the best of them this week. Join Vicky and Rachel as they look at two tales with very different circumstances.

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Research links below!


The Japan Times - "Plea of innocence from the grave"
TIME - "Japan: Noose of Pneumonia?"
The Japan Times - "Teigin Incident Convict Long Dead: Fight to clear mass-killer's name unending"
The Japan Times - "Experts doubt Teigin Incident Verdict"
The Japan Times - "Court calls end to plea seeing 'Teigin' retrial"
The Sydney Morning Herald - "19th bid to clear late murderer's name"
Murderpedia - "Sadamichi Hirasawa"
Infinite Corridor - "Teikoku Bank Incident"

Rolling Stone - "The MMA Fighter Who Pulled Off the Largest Money Heist in U.K. History"
Getty Images - "Securitas Robbery Depot"
BBC - "Man jailed over £53m Securitas raid refused parole"
New York Post - "Britain's biggest bank heist was 'executed flawlessly' - then it fell apart"
Metro - "Securitas heist 'inside man' still hasn't paid a penny back of £250,000 spoils"
History Daily - "The Securitas Depot Robbery"
Criminal - "The Securitas Depot Robbery (2006): England's Astonishing Heist that Shook the Nation"
History - "Gang commits largest robbery in British history"

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Their arrivals unspeakable. I'm not they did want it's the living.
You gotta worry about.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Something.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
If I couldn't keep them there with me whole, at
least I felt that I could keep their skeletons. Hello
and welcome to the Bad Taste Crime Podcast. I'm Vicky,
I'm Rachel, and we are begging ain.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hi everybody, Hello, Happy winters.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I don't know, was that just groundhogs Day? What did
that happen? Oh?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Did I forget?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I had the five K in Woodstock that was like that.
But I think it's almost Groundhog Day. It might be
next weekend. I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
See, we should know because we live like ten minutes
away from the town where they shot the movie Groundhog
isn't Bill Murray?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
It would is cool and the guy who was the
insurance agent, like his friend that he runs into is
he's like walking around, you know, was at the five
K and yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, Bill Murray comes here sometimes he was here, Like
last year. I had people texting me like, oh, Mary
just walked down a sidewalk like and it's cute that
if you ever go to the town, they have little
like love Woodstock, like souvenirs and like little plates like
this is where this one thing happened to the movie.
It's ground really really cute. We live there, so we
should know what you know? I don't know, but I
don't think it matters here, To be honest with you,

(01:35):
I don't think it matters at all. All right, mystical
powers does a groundhog? Like I understand the hoy ploy
of it all, but like he's a groundhog. It's not real.
It's not real, doorling.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Let's go to the newsroom.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Watching us today we had fifty race We.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Know we have non related groundhog related news. Non groundhog
groundhog related is not the Groundhog Podcast. Yeah no, not today.
It's not today's Upstate. Did Phil see his shadow? Will
let you fucking know? This week our news comes from Japan,
where they have seen an influx of seniors who are

(02:27):
getting lonely. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
That's so sad.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
They have one of the longest living populations Japan does,
and generally like happiest communities than in some other places.
There's definitely like you gets of like Norway, Sweden. Some
of those places are really good, but the older adults
are just like they're finding that olders are becoming more

(02:53):
lonely as they age. So what they're seeing is a
trend of Japanese uh elderly women. It seems like uh
age sixty five or older that are committing crimes on
purpose so that they can go to prison. Because in

(03:16):
prison there is there's people all around. There's like I said, yad,
they get free healthcare, they.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Get show a book club, ethyl, oh my god, yeah,
they all.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
They have talked to some people in prison and it
seems like the most common crime is like shoplifting you
to prison, and they said, there's very good people in prison.
It's a very stable life, you know what.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I actually watched a documentary recently about the like that
there are a lot of old people in Japanese prisons
because like their prisons are pretty like clean and like
well kept compared to like a lot of different countries.
I know, but I didn't look into the reason as
to why there were so many old people. I just
figured it was people who were like committed to life,
who were just living longer because of their fabulous healthcare system. Yeah,

(04:10):
but no, they're oldies being like I'm going to jail
to seemapel.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, and there is there's even like a I think
it's like factory work requirement, like when you're in these society,
like you don't have little jobs. Yeah, and they're like
we don't, we don't care that we have to like
go do these jobs are in prison because we're housed
or fed. They have health free healthcare and older care
companionship like with other people. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, so that is funny, that's a thing life. Yeah, Okay,
you know what this might be generalizing, but because it's Japan,
I'm just imagining there being like a Granny League of
the Yakuza.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Like Fried, Like I would not be surprised, honestly truly. Yeah.
We are going to move on to Netflix and Hill
where this week we are talking about American Manhunt O. J. Simpson, Oh,
which just came out.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yes, I haven't gotten the chance yet.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, so I don't. It wasn't necessarily something that was
on my radar because like the first one, it's like
American Manhunt. I think it's the Boston Bomber was the
first one that they did. Oh okay, the second and
like what I'm gonna assume is a series of these
yeah yeah, yeah, and this one happened to show up
on my Netflix and I watched the trailer and was like, Okay,

(05:32):
it seems all right, here's the thing. Yeah, yeah, here's
the thing. So the O. J. Simpson case is, in
my opinion, one of these cases that's been around for
a long time. It's controversial, so it's highly talked about
and has also been sort of like done to death,
to death. Literally that's what I was just thinking, and

(05:54):
I need another one. Yeah, but this one I thought
was really interesting because they really got together like literally everybody,
oh wow in one documentary. So you had those balls. Yeah.
So you had the cops that you had most of
the cops, like the four major ones that had investigated,

(06:17):
like Mark Furman is in this Oh my God, and yeah,
and like the lead investigator, like a bunch of the
and you have people from obviously like journalists and stuff.
They're recovering it, like yeah, HAROLDO. Rivera is and this
oh my God documentary. But you also have I forget
what his name is, but the guy attorney Robert Kardashian,
I'm just kidding. No, no, no, no, on the prosecution team,

(06:40):
the one that was with Marcia Clark. I know what
you mean, I don't. He's in it, Oh my god.
And it talks about the experience. H OJ's like sports
agent is in it. The one of the guys who
was on the defense team is in it.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Whoa.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
So you have all of these everybody, every single side
of things, the guy who stitched the glove. Yeah, they
have Ron Goldman's sister. She's in it, discussing kind of
things that were happening. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
So like it clicks money, rounding up everybody.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
It is interesting in a way that it kind of,
like I said, puts everything together. And it also did
I love a good typiography moment, And there's a lot
of good typography moments in this documentary. My god, No,
do you know what typography is. It's like the art

(07:39):
of using lettering and fonts and stuff. Oh my god,
I'm so stupid. Court stenography I figured like I was like.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Oh, typology, that's the girl who clicks typography. It's like
the art of thoughts. Basically, it's okay, it's okay. They
have a lot of good stuff typography this, but they
do a good job of like pointing out the evidence
that was included and the stuff that was not included.

(08:08):
And they had someone it looked a lot.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
One of the members of the jury is interviewed for
this documentary and she talks about like the way things
are presented at trial and kind of like why they
did this one thing and maybe it just I felt
it was like pretty well done, okay, and about as
close to unbiased as you can get, because truly like

(08:36):
they had polarizing one and they had like all sides
of things. And they talk about the implication of race.
Obviously that became a huge thing in this, both because O. J.
Simpson is black and because they have this cop that
they sort of exposed as writing racist.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
And the race rights are going on at that time.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
They talk about Rodney King and the the aftermath of
the verdict in those cases and like so it was
really interesting. Yeah, it's very very interesting. I'm very interested.
I would recommend it. I'm going to watch it also
because personally, I feel like when you when a lot

(09:17):
of people talk about the OJ case, they stop at
the murder trial, like the not guilty verdict of the
murder trial, but after that there was a civil case
and then OJ gets arrested again for robbery and ends
up serving well he gets some sentenced to like thirty

(09:39):
three years and gets paroled, Yeah, and then lives outside
on TikTok for a while and then dies. So like
all of that is in this all looking up at
us now. Nice. So like I appreciate that they looked
at because now, of course he right, you dam they

(10:01):
were able to just like do the full timeline of
the cases and stuff that happened after that, right, So,
I don't know, I think it's worth checking out totally.
I think it's worth checking out. That's what I'm saying.
American Man Hunt O. J. Simpson on Netflix. Yes, check
it out.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
This is that part of the.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Show where we say content may not be appropriate for
all listeners, may not Yeah, this is I don't even
know what kind of warnings I could give. You know,
I don't really have it.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Mine mine does have a copt of death for yeah,
death for sure. Mine doesn't have death.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Mine does.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
But mine has like kidnapping, throwing people in the backs
of cars, tying people up, threatening people with the gun,
you know, just general nefarious behavior.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Fair. Yeah, So what are we talking about? Well, you
tell me, I will I'm about to.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
So we are talking about bank robberies today wanted some
good heists, right hasty. But also I really wanted to
this because I found this case that is like probably
one of the strangest case inspired the topic. I love that.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yes, that's fun, Yes, yeah, yeah, but also you haven't
done bank robberries and like one hundred episodes forever, so
it's where it's about do about due time.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I have not done bank robberries.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
You have not known since you've been here, So we're
popping the cherry. Like I said, this is like the
strangest bank robbery story I've ever heard, comes to us
by way of Japan.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Okay, Japan.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
There's a little hint in the beginning of the episode
for you, granny robbery. It's not please tell me.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
It's like an ocean's eleven with like a bunch of grannies.
No excuse me, I'd like to make a withdrawal of everything.
It's not that I'm leaving.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
So instead of starting with like the history of everything
like I normally would, I'm gonna start right from the
top banker today. So on January twenty sixth, nineteen forty eight,
a middle aged man walked into Taikoku Bank in Shinamachi.
This person was well dressed and identified himself as a

(12:13):
city health inspector and epidemiologist. Nice, and he arrived at
the bank shortly before closing time. It seems like a
stand up guy. Yes, And do you know what an
epidemiologist is?

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Is that like needles?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
It's the from what I understand, the study of how
disease spreads in like groups of people.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Oh oh, like epidemic epidemiologist.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Okay. So after speaking to the managers, they got all
of the employees like down into the sort of lobby
area of the bank.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Because he's like, I'm going to inspect your.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Health kind of yeah, kind of. He told the staff
that he had been sent by US occupation authorities to
inoculate them against a sudden outbreak of dysentery.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Whoa.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
So he gives each person a pill and a few
drops of liquid and soon after twelve people died. What Yeah,
there were like two survivors that they were able to
get to the hospital. But twelve people die.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Oh my god. At the time, I'm starting to think
he's not a health inspector.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Maybe maybe not, maybe maybe not. Let's listen. At the time,
the vaults were open, but he left with only around
one hundred and eighty five dollars in cash, which is
about four thousand dollars. Oh, but it was I mean
it was bank. It was a whole ass bank. Yeah,
and everyone was dead, dream big. Yeah, and he disappears
into the night.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
What the fuck? That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah. And the fact that there was so much of
the loot that was left behind h gave no hint
at a motive, like for these murders and for the robbery.
It was just kind of like he didn't really take
that much money. Yeah, left all these people dead. Okay,
very weird. So of course police be in searching for
the man right away. They had somehow managed to get

(14:06):
a witness or two because it seems like they were
able to create a composite sketch which was then sort
of circulated and hopes that somebody would recognize him. As
it happens, there had been two very similar cases in
the prior like weeks to a year or so of
the robbery and poisoning. So in Japan, as you know,

(14:30):
there's this custom of it seems to me like it's
mostly businessmen that exchange cards when they meet. Yes, I
always think of King of the Hill to be honest
with you. There's the episode where he goes to Japan
and he's looking for his dad and they're like exchanging
business cards. Okay, but that's like as they greet the exchange,
a business card contains names and very contact information. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
See it kind of gives me American psycho. Yeah, I
could see that those business cards.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yes, it's like glossy card stuff. So in each of
the two prior bank robberies, the man had presented a
business card which read Health and Welfare Defense Bureau. Okay.
In one case, he used a similar story of an
outbreak of dysentery and needing to inaculate those of the bank.

(15:20):
He gave a few drops of liquid to each person
to drink, and then he waited around for like ten minutes,
but nothing was happening, like nobody was dropping done right right,
and after about ten minutes because he was like, oh,
there's going to be some other guys coming behind me
with disinfectant to like disinfect things, right, and so he's

(15:41):
like waiting for them to arrive, and then when no
one appeared, he was like, oh, it's taking kind of
a long time for them to get here, Like a
weirdly amount of long time, let me go see what's
going on, and then and then he flees.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Off into the night.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yes, yeah, wow, he flees the scene and he just
leaves his business card behind. But it didn't I don't
think that one had any like specific contact information on right, Okay,
I am a health inspector source trust official. The second
instance happened about a week before the poisoning at Taikoku Bank.

(16:16):
This time, when the well dressed man arrived, he handed
over a business card that read Technical Officer at the
Ministry of Health and Welfare, Doctor of Medicine, Yamaguchi, Jiro
and Tokyo Metropolitan Government Quarantine Division. Wow, that's a mouthful.
It is lot for a business card. Yeah, although it's

(16:37):
probably written in Japanese.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
So you know how like sometimes when you watch like
foreign films or listen to stuff, it's like in the
other language they say like five million words, and in
English it's like I went over there, what the Maybe
in Japan maybe in Japanese.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I'm so again at this one, he told the employees
that there was a dysentery outbreak nearby and said that
quote the occupying forces came by car to disinfect the
dormitory and the person in charge there, a mister Otani

(17:12):
came back to this bank today to make a deposit,
so we need to disinfect the people, the cash, the
ledgers in each room end quote clever, Okay. Just to
be sure, the bank manager checked to see if a
mister Otani had actually been there to make a deposit,
and when he looked, he found that a different person

(17:34):
with the name Otani from the same dorm had made
a deposit, and so they were like, well, maybe it's
this guy. It's just like a mistake on the ledger
or like you have a mistaken name, like you misheard it,
and maybe it is this guy. So he's like, whoa,
he might have made a deposit, so that seems plausible.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah. So he was like, this might be a mistake,
and the guy who was there from the health department said,
you know, I'm not really sure, but like these people
from the occupying forces are going to be buying a
few minutes, so like they'll they'll be able to clear
it up. It's uh. So he then put a few
drops of liquid from some bottle on like the checks

(18:13):
to like disinfect and then leaves I bet it was
his pee. No, he seems like a creepy wi so
he just does this and leaves flees the scene again
never to be seen. What the hell both of these
robbery attempts, although they had obviously been reported to police,
they were not reported on in the press. Okay, so

(18:34):
there would have been a very slim chance that this
would have been like a copy cat h yeah situation.
And then it was like the same person doing all.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Three of these creepy weird signature.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Right as the investigation into the culprit at Taikoku Bank
was ramping up, police put together this task force that
was investigating in secret. It was like a complete moratorium
on like any information getting out Yeah Japan edition oohat that.
According to Infinite Corridor inspector Naruchi Hideo wrote in a

(19:13):
memoir just before his death, where he said quote in
the end, the only person who could be identified as
a culprit based on his alibi and other factors was
Lieutenant Colonel Suwa, a medical doctor who belonged to Unit
seven thirty one. His physique and appearance matched exactly with
those of the culprit described by surviving witnesses from Taikoku Bank.

(19:37):
Yesuda Bank and Mitsubishi Bank. Oh my god, so he's like,
this is who I think. Although they had suspicions, there
isn't any evidence that shows police really did any meaningful
investigation into Lieutenant Curl Sua by questioning family and neighbors.
Nor was there a lieutenant Colonel Sua who was on

(19:58):
the list of medical officers in the japan These Army
what although quote the people who fit the description were
Colonel Suwa Kaiser Burrow and Lieutenant Colonel Sua Noriaki. Okay,
so like could have been these guys, the name didn't
quite match, or like the rank that he had said
didn't quite match. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but also like weird,

(20:21):
they didn't really investigate that for reasons that will become clear.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
I was gonna say they thought it just stop like
sitting on their asses. Oh, I guess we should probably
get to that bank robbery thing, for reasons that.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Become very clear. Yeah. Yeah. So the investigation continued into
a potential link between members of the Japanese Army Unit
seven thirty one and the bank robberies, but all of
a sudden, like one of the top brass in the
investigation was called down to the Metropolitan Police Department for

(20:52):
an emergency meeting. Oh. It was here that the sort
of like big chiefs because informed investigating officers that Unit
seven thirty one was being prepped to go to war
with the Soviets. What and if the investigation of the
bank robberies pointed to anyone in Unit seven thirty one,

(21:12):
it could cause trouble for the US military, and they
like needed to back off these sort of lines of inquiry.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
This is crazy. They're like, stop this, needs to stop
looking into this. I think they have done some like
movies and stuff about this.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Sneaky sneaky.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, so they're like bingerfish to fry essentially. Yeah, they're like,
stop looking national matter. Yeah, look the other way.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, the investigation was essentially strong armed by people in
power to stop looking at at military members and to
just like do something else.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
But all of that information was not revealed until like
years and years later, years and years after this. Okay,
but that happened. It's crazy. Suddenly, on August twenty first,
nineteen forty eight, about seven months after the robbery, a
man named Hirasawa Sadamichi was arrested. I saw in multiple.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Places that Hirasawa was described as this like quiet artist
and tempura painter who didn't really bother anybody, definitely didn't
have any knowledge of poisons. Was just like he's like
all I know about is tempora and paint.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah. It's like he's like all I do is make art.
Like he like a classical Japanese artist, right, Okay, so
they just picked this guy up. It seems like I'm
out of nowhere. Yeah, Like how did they even get
to this guy? He was brought into the station for questioning,
specifically about the business cards.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
He's like, is this for the interview for uh, like
the criminal artist?

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah. So he they start to ask him about these
business cards because again, like the exchanging of business cards
is a very common thing, and one of the prior robbers,
the suspect had used a card that had the name
Matsui Uru, and although they had determined that such a
person existed, he had an alibi for the robberies. Hirosawa

(23:12):
did say that he had received a card from Matsui
who had given he'd given out over like five hundred
cards by the way, to just ever a lot, yeah,
but that he couldn't locate it because it had been
in his wallet, which was then pickpocketed from him. Okay, okay.
Police discovered that a similar amount of money that had

(23:35):
been taken from the bank robbery was at his residence
when they searched it, but Hirosawa would not say where
it had come from.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Now here's the thing. I saw this a lot of
places as I was looking around. There is this theory
that he was doing, shall we say, more explicit painting.
He was doing furry port on the side. Well not
like that. This is classic Japan, like nineteen forties Japan.

(24:05):
And I'm just saying, say, so that's.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
A joke among artists online is like that's how you
make money, is you do like fur reborns Oh for sure,
commission for sure. So that's what he was doing. He
was just like sketchy explicit art and like you go girl.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah. So that's why he didn't want to say where
the money was from. Yeah. Yeah, he didn't want to
like ruin his reputation. He didn't want so he's like,
I just got this money. I'm not Yeah, and you know.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
What, I don't know if that's your right in Japan,
but that's your right.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Well that again, that it was the nineteen forties, so like, right,
it was very frowned upon.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
It's you know, yeah totally, but like no, like you
don't have to talk to the police. I feel that's
not their business. I mean, yeah, I was like, I
didn't do crimes, but the rest of it.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
I'm just kidding to myself. Yeah, here's how I had
claimed that at the time of the robberies, he was
taking a stroll in the vicinity of the bank. He
was just like walking the neighborhood. Something they couldn't confirm
or verify, right, because he's just walking right. Interestingly enough,
here's how was identified as the culprit by some witnesses,

(25:11):
but the actual survivors of the poisonings said that he
was not the guy who was at the bank. Oh
I hate that. I like that people who are ye.
After hours of interrogation, here's how it confessed to all
of the robberies and poisonings. However, these confessions were almost

(25:32):
immediately recanted when allegations of torture and coercion to force
a confession were made, something that seems to be not
uncommon when it comes to cases in Japan. I think
this happened in the last case, for.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
I was going to say we talked about it. Yeah,
known for like, hey, it's time for you to confess,
or I'm going to kick you right in your neck.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, it's not great. It's not great.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
So not that we don't do that here he's like.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Trying to recant his confessions. Now, at this point they
had zero real physical evidence and a very like a
few very very circumstantial things. Right, But at this point
in time in the forties, the criminal code in Japan
saw confessions as evidence and they were referred to literally

(26:17):
as the queen of evidence.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Oh geez, that's stupid.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
So the case goes to trial.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Who needs the queen?

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I don't know. I hate that the case goes to trial. Okay,
So all the issues we've already discussed were in the
spotlight during the trial. Although there were six witnesses to
hero SAWA's alibi, the court decided that there wasn't any
evidence of this, so they were like, no, they're not
they're not. Whatness is As far as the business card goes,

(26:50):
there was one inconsistency that sort of changed things with that.
At the time the card was received by Hirosawa, Matt
Sue had written handwritten his home address on the card,
but the card used at the Taikoku Bank didn't have
anything written on it.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Oh okay, just blank.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, it was like from the same guy, but it
was a blank card.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, there's also an issue of something called Corskov syndrome.
Have you ever heard of it?

Speaker 1 (27:17):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
So Corsakoff syndrome is a disorder. I don't think it is. Yeah,
I don't think it is. It's a disorder of the
central nervous system characterized by amnesia, deficits in explicit memory,
and confabulation. Oh my god. It's most often associated with
excessive alcohol use, but in this case, Hirosawa's defense claimed

(27:43):
that the confession was based on partial insanity as a
result of developing Corsokov syndrome from a rabi's inoculation.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
What the hell I mean, it's the forties whatever. They
were like, sorry, we accidentally gave you a disease.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, and I still have rap I think. Later examinations
of Hirosawa did show that there was some neurological something happened. Yeah, yeah,
poor guy. Yeah, but at the time, I'm weird.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Porn right right now? He's got diseases and jail.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah. And I'll also say when he presented this, the
court found this not to be true.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Now, originally the poison was said to be a cyanide compound,
but for some reason, by the time the verdict came down,
it had been changed to potassium cyanide in staid Hirosawa
had it in his home even though none had been found.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Oh whatever.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Now it's thought this is that the substance was nitral
hydro cyanide or actone cyanohydrian nice yum. And part of
this is because of the amount of time that it took.
It was not like with cyanide it's like instant like yeah,

(28:57):
you phone at the mouth and you pass out. And
this took like a two okay to take effect. It
wasn't like people instantly dropping to the floor, right, so okay.
They also had said in some places that the type
of poison that it was you could only acquire from
like the military. Like it was a.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Very like oh now we're back to the military.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, but not according to what
happened in court.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Blah blah blah blah blaha, Yes exactly, YadA, YadA. So
the trial concluded and in July nineteen fifty here so
I was found guilty and sentenced to death.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
No.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
An appeal was filed the same day and was eventually
dismissed in nineteen fifty one. No, same day that was dismissed,
another appeal was filed, also eventually being dismissed by the
Supreme Court in nineteen fifty five.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
This poor guy.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
There's a little more back and forth before the conviction
was affirmed and the death sentence was finalized. Since recanting
his confess session, Hirasawa continued to maintain his innocence and
would file a request for retrial eighteen times, but every
single one was rejected.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Now, as the various ministries of justice came and went
in Japan, none of them agreed to sign the death
warrant as there were very obvious questions surrounding his guilty verdicts.
So Here'sawa was forced to just stay on death row
in this sort of limbo because even like.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
A pen and paper they would he was some art.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
He was sentenced to death, but everybody refused to sign
actually signed his dep like in prison. Right.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
That sucks?

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, And he would stay there for thirty two years.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
No, oh my god. He just wanted to draw like
weird porn, yes, and you had. I mean it's also goods,
like like like classics, and he did.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
While he was just hanging out on death row. He
would continue to paint, and he wrote an autobiography called
My Will the Taikoku Bank Case.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Now, seemingly that's illustrated. I'm gonna buy him. Yeah, I'll
be honest. I didn't look. Wow, I shouldn't have think
about that research. I'm a total amateur.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
It's okay, I'm going to order it. I'll tell all
of you next week.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Now. Seemingly, the last bid for freedom came when his
defense team claimed the statute of limitations ran out in
nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Under the Criminal Code of Japan, the death penalty has
a thirty year statute of limitations. Wow, okay. And here's
how I was forced to stay there longer because he
had been sentenced but no one had agreed to sign
his death warrant.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Right.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
But when this argument was taken to court, they actually
said that applied. It primarily applies to people who escape,
oh from uh death row? And a vague capture.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Oh for thirty years with a spoon.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
I guess. Yeah, but if you can't find him for
thirty years, then you're fine. Oh hell yeah. They also
said that the clock starts when the death warrant is signed,
and because nobody had signed the death warrant, like, the
clock never started and so it wasn't a valid claim
for like a statute of limitations. Strust. I know, I'm

(32:21):
stressed for this guy now. Unfortunately, No, Hirosawa passed away
in prison in nineteen eighty seven from pneumonia.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Poor guy.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Shortly before his death, Amnesty International had petitioned the courts
for his release, but by that like they had petitioned
and then shortly after he passed away, and so it
kind of that is so sad. Yeah, Now, following Hirosawa's death,
there was still this huge push for a posthumous retrial,
largely spearheaded by Hirosawa's adopted son, Takahiko, which is kind

(32:57):
of an interesting story also, And yeah, so how he
came to be adopted. Takahiko was the son of Hirosawa
supporters and in college was adopted so he could sort
of take up the mantle oh, pushing for a retrial. Yeah,

(33:19):
because it seemed I couldn't really find this, but like,
it seems to me like there might be some rules surrounding,
like who can file the documentation and it has to
be a family member. That makes sense, But Hirosawa's family
was not necessarily interested in it because there was this
sort of social stigma like that they didn't really want
to be associated with. That's crazy. So he adopted him,

(33:40):
so legally he could still keep What a nice guy trying.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
To get a retrial.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
At least he had people who cared about him.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I'm so sorry. Is that crazy? Yes?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
So I don't order his book dead ass see.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
You can find it. So Takahiko, along with Hirosawa's attorneys,
were able to find out of brain damage to support
the original claims, along with tons of other evidence disputing
the fact sad trial and proving Hirosawa's innocence. This was
submitted in two thousand and eight. Okay, okay, so he

(34:14):
had he died in the eighties. It was like eighty seven.
It was the nineteenth attempt at a retrial. Jesus Now. Unfortunately,
in twenty thirteen, Takehiko passed away at the age of
fifty four.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
This was just before they had planned to submit some
additional information to the courts for that same like the
nineteenth retrial bid, but with the death of Takehiko, the
Tokyo High Court said it was dropping the plea for
Pashumist retrial, essentially closing the matter. Like I said, there
doesn't really seem to be any family left that would

(34:48):
want to sort of take up this fight. So unfortunately
that is the end. Bummer cowa bummer.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Oh my god. That is so they should have let
him do his crazy, weird, wild nude art and peace
and we never caught the robber. Why were you poisoning people?
Only some people and not other ones? And why was
it covered up right? And what was it covered up right?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
So? What crazy?

Speaker 1 (35:18):
What level were you in the army because I know
where you work, Oh my god, yeah, doing experiments on people.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
I just never heard of anybody posing as a health
official to be like, here, take this poison.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
That's crazy. If anybody gives you something, don't take it.
Be like no, I'm gonna call my pediatrician or my doctor.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Do you hear.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Now, I'm going I'm like, do you go to pediatrician
my children?

Speaker 5 (35:45):
Do?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
I just yeah, just like.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
I want a sticker when I go regular doctor won't
give me one. That's a crazy case.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Okay, robberies, have you ever robbed anyone?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
No witness?

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Oh my god, I'm just making a conversations nothing.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
I don't know what you're trying to pride about life
like that.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
No, I can't solidly say that I have never robbed
anybody worrying. I don't think, not on purpose.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I am. I am gonna be honest with you. There
are times where I, back in the day when I
was hanging out with all my smoking friends, would accidentally
steal lighters and stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Oh I never liked so like that's everyone else.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, but I've never, like, you know, purposefully with a knife.
Give me all your money. Armed robbery. Definitely definitely know
our robbery. I can.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
That's my favorite part of this podcast is how much
I'm getting to know about you. Love burglary, huge exciting larceny, larcensey.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Uh you know.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
I picked a modern robbery for this one just because
I feel like I always do historical ones. Okay, So
I was like, that's okay, I had that cover today,
Yeah for sure. But like I feel like when I
think of bank robberies, I usually think of like Jesse James,
like looking dapper and Sepia Tone, pulling up to the
local bank and demanding cloth bags stuffed with paper money as.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Long as they have a big dollar sign on the outside.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah. Absolutely, And he's like, yeah, oh wait, no, that's
the villain like in the twenties with the mustache. Yeah,
give me all your money. But in today's world, these
crimes can look very different, which is boring. However, one
thing in this world never changes, and that's that some
people who commit crimes are dumb. They're dumb, true, not everyone,

(38:00):
but like sometimes it's like, why did you choose to
do this?

Speaker 2 (38:03):
You know that you're stupid. We were talking about scamming
at work the other day and somebody said, you gotta
be real smart to be a scammer, and I was like, no,
you gotta be real smart to be a good scammer.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah, absolutely, Like every idiot can be a scammer because
it's easy to trick like old people. Yeah, but to
be you got to be absolutely yeah absolutely, yeah, that's
where can make the real bucks.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, according to you.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, a scammer. You do have like a new grill,
diamond and crust.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
I don't that makes sense? How dare you accuse me? H?

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, some criminals are dumb. Today's contestants are no exception.
And although by the end of this case and as
of the present, all of the stolen money has not
been recovered, and there are other suspects who are still
at large, it doesn't mean this crime was planned by
geniuses and it was.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
In fact, this.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Tale is full of what the Brits would call plankers,
meaning they're about as bright as a London afternoon. For reference,
London afternoons are almost always cloudy. Okay, it's like mad
cloudy right right Today, I'm talking about the Securitass depot robbery,
which is not exactly a bank, but I can guarantee
that our old pal Jesse James would have died to

(39:22):
get a sneaky little fingers into this place. Like its
name suggests, this place is a depot, meaning it's a
facility which distributes cash to banks in and around England.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
So it's like the ones that send out the armored trucks.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Correct, So it's the place money goes before the bank,
so the work rates the pre bank.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
The pre bank bank.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
So it run, it ran, it ran, it ran twenty
four hours a day.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
It was like serious, like it was like a like
not military, but like a very efficient government facility. Workers
at the depot would receive paper money by way of
our trucks. They would count it, sort it, label it,
inventory it. I saw there's a lot of like pictures
for this. English crimes are good with that. They like
photograph everything.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
There were like bags of like one hundred pounds and
two hundred pounds and like, so it was like super efficient.
These sorts of facilities are really common in England. In fact,
there were twenty eight other such facilities in England at
the time, which might not seem like a lot, but
remember England is really bloody smole.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, compared to us in two thousand and six. Okay, yeah,
So in two.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Thousand and six, Colin Dixon, who was the manager at
Secure Test Depot, was driving in his silver Nissan just
like okay, when suddenly he noticed flashing lights behind him.
Bug of my ass, he thought, I'm being pulled over. So,
being a good citizen, he pulled over. I know it's
really I have fun. Fact, I'm really good at at accents,

(40:59):
but not that something reason, there's just something wrong with
my brain. I can't even do it like funny bad.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
It's really bad. This is bad, but keep going.

Speaker 6 (41:08):
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
I can do like every other accent, non offensive only
white people accents, but like that one, I just can't do.
So I'm sorry everyone, But also I'm not sorry. Sorry
for comedy, sorry.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
For so, sorry for party rocks. Sorry did you.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Know that in LMFAO, that band, they're like uncle and nephew.
That's so weird, I said, there brothers. No unless I'm wrong,
but I'm not. So he So Colin Dixon was being
pulled over and he was like, Okay, let me pull
over to like whatever side of the road they pull
over on.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
That it will never fail to trip me up. That
the people drive on the other side of the road
in other countries. I just think it's so strange. She
don't drive in other countries.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
I tried not to drive in other countries possible.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Oh, I'll be ubering, yeah everywhere. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
So Colin might have been trying to be a good
news by pulling over for the piggies. But actually he
should not have done this.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
You see.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Colin's position as manager at the depot came with a
few stipulations. They were so concerned about security because like
all of the money in England would go there pretty much,
you know, it was so much money. Yeah, that Colin
would actually alternate which car he drove to work, as
his family owned two vehicles, so he would like switch
off every couple days, and he would take different routes

(42:26):
to work, and he was told to like really make
sure like look around and make sure he's not being followed,
keep track of like the other cars. It was like
sorreosposnas yea. And if he was pulled over by police
on his way to or from work, he actually had
like a little paper that he was just supposed to
like put up to the window that's like, hey, I
work for Secure Test Depot. I might have money in

(42:48):
the car or like you might be trying to kidnap me,
so you know, if I'm in trouble, I'll follow you
to the police station. Oh I see, there's like to
call involved. So it's like I was really surprised. I
was like he's just like, I get, it's an important
job and it's a lot of money. But I was like, damn,
he's just a manager.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
That's crazy. Yeah, okay, I mean not get it, isn't
that gonn.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
And I just love that he has like a little
laminated piece of cup paper from the government, like hello, chaps,
I can't get out of the car. Sorry, sorry, I
love you. So anyway, fucking Colin was like, let me
roll down my window. Hello, Govna, I'm an idiot.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (43:29):
And they were like, yeah, we're police. And he looks
and he's like unmarked car and they were like yeah,
but we have flashing lights, so that means that we're police, okay.
And they were wearing high visibility gear so they weren't
wearing police uniforms. They were wearing those kinds of uniforms.
So I know he was stupid.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
So they were like, yeah, so you need to like
come and get in our car because you're in trouble.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
And he was like sounds good to me.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
And he got in the back of the car and
was like, wait, this isn't a cop car, this is
a Volvo. I'm an idiot.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Oh yep, oh no, no, Colin.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I know had been kidnapped and was in deep shit.
He was bound, driven for ages, thrown into the back
of a white van and then taken to a farm
in Staplehurst. Okay, back at Collins home his wife Lynn
and young son who is about eight, we're enjoying what
I'm sure was a disgusting English breakfast. I'm sorry to

(44:25):
any Brits listening, but there is better food out there
than beans on toast.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Please get me.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
You have been sending me so many like British meals.
I'm like, what, I can't tell any of you when
a kick of something and it's been disgusting like English,
horrible British food food. Yeah, Like, I just don't understand
you guys eat like we're in a war. Like you
don't have hind preserved food. Any mash peas order I

(44:54):
order pizza, I'm sure they do, yeah, but they probably
put bullshit on it. They have chip shops too, that's fine,
but like, also, why are you putting vinegar on your fries?
I mean they need to calm down. Like how did
Gordon Ramsey come from there? And people say he's a
good cook.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
I don't know, but.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
His friends that's true. He had to leave it to
become a chef. That makes sense. You guys need to
get it together. Well, they heard a knock at the door,
where two men dressed as police officers greeted them with
terrible news. Poor Colin had been involved in a terrible
car accident and the police were there to transport them
to the scene. A quick note, if you're ever at

(45:34):
home and the police come to your door asking you
to come with them, you should absolutely call your local
police station and ask them if they're supposed to be
cops at your house.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
This is a serious security trip. Security tip. It takes
five minutes.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
It could save your life.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
That you can order a police costume on Amazon. You
can get a little card. Laminated people are crazy. So
if cops come to your door, any kind of cop,
just call the police and like, Hi, if I'm in trouble,
I accept that, but like, are there cops supposed to
be right and they'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Yeah. Same goes for if you get pulled over, especially
if you're a woman alone, next your attorney.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Absolutely and shut up and don't say nothing.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah, they'll say nothing.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
And this again was like an unmarked vehicle, Like I
don't blame the poor kid, of course, but like it's
it's hard to tell, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Once they got into the car, Colin's wife was like, God,
damn it, this is a Volvo. This is not a
fucking cop car. But by that it was too late
and they too were bound and driven to the same
farm that Colin was at, where I bet she was like,
you stupid idiot. Can you imagine how funny that conversation
would be actually, Like he's like, oh god, I'm so

(46:46):
I'm so sorry you guys. I'm so glad you're okay,
And she's like, this is so weird that this happened
because you have all that poor call you're supposed to
do well, I didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Do you already having a bad day? Though?

Speaker 1 (46:57):
I hope she like with her bound arms like elbowed.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
The shit out of him, like kidiot, Still my god.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
The gang threatened Colin with a gun, saying his family
will die if he doesn't cooperate. They were very like verbally,
I don't think they ever hurt the family. He got
like kind of thrown around a little bit, Yeah, but
was okay. Ultimately, I don't think they ever hurt them.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
But but like getting a gun waved in your face.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
They had eighteen forty sevens. It was like I would
as fun. Colin was like, fuck this job, I'll tell you, dude, like,
don't even worry about it, which I think was the
right answer. It's just money. Who cares money over lives?

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Not my money? Right, rag fight you.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
I don't get paid that much. I have this big
important job and I have to drive a Nissan, like,
get out of here. So they loaded Colin up, well,
they loaded all of them up, and on Wednesday, February
twenty second, two thousand and six, the Merry Gang rolled
off to secure test depot with a giant Lory truck,
which is like a like a delivery truck.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Right like the kind of yeah, like not a huge
one like the vans. It is more like the pretty
much like a.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Teeny tiny one ready to be stuffed with cash. Colin
was forced to give clearance, and he and one gang
member like he took one of them in with him,
forced staff at gunpoint to open the loading gate. At
least six masked men went in and started loading up cash.

(48:26):
Now I feel like anyone who has ever worked anywhere
this might be kind of morbid, but we do live
in America. Has wondered from time to time, but like,
what if this place gets robbed? Like what am I
gonna do? Is that not normal?

Speaker 2 (48:39):
I do have severe anxiety.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
Sometimes I thought about I mean, not no hopeful way.
But here's the thing I think my no, no, no no,
my thought more often, which again this is America.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
But it's like, what if somebody walks in here with
a gun? What am I going to do?

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Complete?

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Which is becoming more reasonable, which is right, also super depressing,
but last place, you know, that's more what you think
because you know.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
That if you need help, I'm blinking, Yeah, someone get
me out of here. Right, But like exactly, like you
have those thoughts from times time, and it's kind of
what would I do? Yeah, And I'm always you know
I said it before. I'm always of the opinion I
don't care where you work.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
It's just a job.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Give them the money. It's okay, the job. Will haven't
share errands. It's not a big deal, right, you know,
don't don't worry about being a hero because a lot
of times heroes get shot anyways. Yeah, like, girl, just
do what you gotta do. Yeah, Yeah, However, all over
the bank, well, the depot because it's this big government building.
There were so many like security buttons and like hidden

(49:45):
alarms and stuff like that under all the desks and everything,
and nobody pressed anything, none of them. There were a
ton of employees there, nobody pressed anything. I think that
it's kind of weird. Okay, there's a theory. I don't
really go into it, and he was never prosising people
paid off to not press. So there was a theory
that Colin knew about it. There were a couple of

(50:07):
things that were like circumstantial, but like I think either
he was a big dumb idiot or he knew about
it and was involved, because I see he was like
there was supposed to be like an inspection and he
pushed it off. There were like there was supposed to
be it was stuff like I can't remember exactly, but
it was like there was supposed to be more security,

(50:29):
and he was like, don't even worry about that right now,
Like not in a way that he could get in
trouble for it, but like a lot of these things
came together at the same time. Yeah, so like Colin,
I'm sure he listens. Colin, if you're listening. I'm not
accusing you, but like it kind of seems.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
What you're saying, you know what I mean. That's just
a theory. Though, it's just a theory.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
He was questioned, and there are a lot of people
like me who believe that he was in on it.
But he's not in trouble or anything, right, He's outliving
his life with his wife, who I'm sure is fucking
mad at him.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Okay, she's like idiot.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
But and I also I just think it's weird. So
there was one employee I thought, this is really funny.
So the money is kept, the money that's already even
packed is kept in these like metal cages. They look
like a little like minecraft blocks, like they're very cute,
and to pick them up, they have like a like
a forklift type of thing, like a little lift drivery thing.

(51:25):
And the robbers, who were very scary, all wearing ski masks,
had giant AK forty seven's, were like, you know, employee,
good work this thing and get us the money. The employee,
who was like forkliff certified or whatever, kept crashing it
into shit and was like, oh no, oops, I guess
I can't get the money. And they were like the money,

(51:46):
and he.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Was like no, no, he was trying to do it.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
He was like, I just can't drive this forklift. I
don't really know how like, so he was kind of trying,
which I was like playing, playing, I love that respect.
So they ended up like dragging him off, and one
of the robbers was like, oh, I could figure this out,
and like they figured it out kind of. So they

(52:09):
started like throwing cops. Oh good, no cops. They started
throwing cash. Oh sorry, I was looking at my paper
and talking at the same time. It doesn't work out
very well.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I've done that, donor. I think that's kind of what
we do here.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
So they got away with tons of steelboxes stuffed with cash,
leaving the employees, Colin and Colin's wife and child all
stuck inside. They had like cages there where they would
keep the money. So the robbers locked everyone in the cages.
And it was like shitty because they locked everyone in
the cages like pretty much knowing like assuming they wouldn't

(52:47):
be able to call yeah, like until the next shift caves.
I was like, fuck you, like jerks, right, but they did.
They were able to they figured out how to get out.
I don't know maybe that a button or something and
call the police right away. They were like the police,
so they called the police right So they called as
soon as they were able to get out, which it
took a little bit, but they got out sure. Luckily
government building. There were cameras all over the place. Unluckily,

(53:10):
the gang all wore ski masks. Police began searching for
the robbers, which actually wasn't that tricky because they were
stupid as fuck. All of these robbers were stu pid Okay.
One of the robbers was literally caught at a local
bank trying to deposit like six thousand pounds, but of
course it was the same money. They hadn't like laundered it,

(53:33):
so it's it's.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Allost like stamps.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yeah, like deposs I'm stone And they were like, how
did you get this?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yeah, fresh dollars the present.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
They were like this smells fresh.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
One, two, three, four, five, wire these all in order,
like Okay.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
They found one of the because they I talked about
the lorry truck, but they also came in like a
separate vehicle within the game. They used like a bunch
of vehicles later to like transport all the money and
blah blah, blah. So they found like the getaway car
in the parking lot of a local pub where it
had money and guns and ski masks. And then they

(54:12):
found the lorry truck in the parking lot of another pub,
where it also had like really incriminating shit left in it,
like come on, come on, okay, come on, like let's
get a drink while we drop off this truck. Like
shut up, so you should burn those hats. They got
your DNA all over inside a lot of things. Okay,
they didn't do anything. These were the dumbest idiots. They

(54:34):
found fourteen. The cops found fourteen steel cages which were
used to hold the money scattered through the cars in
random farmers fields and in other dumb fucking places.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
They just like chucked them they they were driving. Yep.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
They also found thousands and thousands of pounds stuffed into dumpsters,
under a fallen tree and in the houses of the members,
who were mostly quickly arrested because they were going around
flashing cash and being stupid.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I hope that you were hiding money in a dumpster.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah, they found like I think it was like eleven
thousand pounds like put into and I'm like, oh my God,
no one's gonna suspect this tree stump. I'm gonna dumpster
dive more often.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Yeah, maybe maybe there will be thousands and thousands of dollars.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
In there spring hobby Good. There was one like sexy
little car chase where police had to shoot out one
of the robbers tires but or e slarterer Ope. Yeah,
but that was pretty much the rest of it. They
didn't really have to do anything. They were like, oh,
is this guy trying to like buy things for like
millions of dollars that.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
He definitely shouldn't have arrested.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
All in all, the robbers had stolen fifty three million
pounds Wow, the second largest money heist in the world
at that time.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
It's still on like the top ten list. But I
think I got knocked down a few points. Yeah. Out
of the fifty three million, thirty two million has still
not been recovered.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Ohkay, Well, I mean they were just putting it.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
In holes, right, And so it's one where like this
was like partially aligned with organized crime, So there were
a lot of people who were kind of involved. There
were like six core members I think, like who actually
like went to the bank.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah, and of those six.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
I think they have four, and then they've arrested other people,
Like there was a woman whose house they were staying
in who was being dumb idiot and they caught her.
But like there are two of the like robber people
that they believe here in the West Indies and or Cyprus,
probably thirty two million dollars my god.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
A really interesting and like kind of sad detail is
because they hid all the money so like shittily, and
this was obviously a huge deal in like the British
press and the World press. So dumb farmers who lived
in the area reported increased criminal activity because people would
come on their land and be like, I'm gonna dig
on your property to find the rest of the money,

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and they're like, we don't have any please.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Stop coming here, go away, yeah, go away. Yeah yeah.
That's crazy. Crazy.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
So Colin got fired because he's dumb everyone in.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
The story because he broke protocol, probably.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Because he was stupid. Like, oh man, the cop thing
really annoys me. I'm like, why would you get out
of your car? You're really dumb, And just all of
them were dumb. That's like my favorite thing about this
case is like everything that.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Everybody was dumb.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Is like, when this guy got pulled over, he had
like six AK forty sevens, a steel cage of bank
money and a robber mask and you know, handcuffs and
stuff and was and I'm like what hello, Like they
said organized crime was involved, but I'm like, you guys
did not send your eighteen. Yeah, and somehow they were
able to pull this off. And like thirty two million
pounds is just like floating around in the British air. Honestly,

(57:46):
once you get the kind of money off shore, yeah,
oh it's gone.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
It is very hard to recover. Absolutely, very very difficulty.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Isn't that funny? Everyone in that case is stupid.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
I mean, these are all problems that I don't have
to worry. Those are types of problems I will never have.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Where to put my money?

Speaker 1 (58:05):
That is very to under your mattress? Actually the fan
fun fact. Don't do that because mold collections.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Oh yeahs no, almost put it in a bank. It's fine,
that's fine. That was great. That was really interesting. Oh
my gosh. Well, before you decide to rob a bank,
first of all, don't.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Just burn off your fingerprints with like a hair straighter.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
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Speaker 1 (59:34):
Uh.

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Speaker 1 (59:51):
Even if you're dumb, you two can make money through larceny.

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endorsing crack. Okay, you're saying, don't rub a bank.

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It's so silly, don't do that.

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Women have lees on the side along the highway.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Ark was as if a wave the people washed over
with town

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
While you were wearing some form, wearing another