Episode 199 - No Rules, Just Right - The Bad Taste Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
H why their arrivals unspeakable. I'm not doing they did

(00:20):
want it's the living. You gotta worry about.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Something. If I couldn't keep them there with me whole,
at least I felt that.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
I could keep their skeletons.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the Bad Taste Crime Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm Rachel, I'm VICKI. Hi. Oh my god, everybody here
back Ready for another episode of crime? Yeah, crime, You
guys ready to hear about crime, crime and punishment murder. Yeah.
I definitely feel like my mood recently has because it

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is starting to get a little warmer out oh completely,
Like that seasonal depression is like gone leaving my body
don't know her. Oh my god, i just cannot wait
until I can open my windows. I'm like, it's so
too cool to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Like we had like a really warm day the other day.
It was like up in like the fifties.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I almost had to open my windows because my apartment
is on the corner that gets all the sun. So
like those warm days it's like eighty degrees wow in
my apartment. Yeah, which I'm like kind of just dealing
with because I'm like, hey, at least I don't have
to turn the heat on, right, you know what I mean,
I don't want to like and it stays pretty warm
until pretty late in the evening.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
So it's been so cute. I love how much like
windows it has.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
It has lots of windows, so much sun to watch
everybody coming it out. Well, that's the best part. I'm
a nose in nelly. That's why we have investigative podcast.
This is your first time listening. A special hello to you.
We are going to head over to the newsroom. Let's
go there.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Point wait, maybe watching the day we had fifty size
way we know.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
They get.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Our news this week comes from Jju, which I believe
is in Korea. Oh, I think it's like an island
off in Korea. Okay, but they're on let me see
the twenty sixth, so it would be oh, February twenty sixth,
two Chinese men in their forties stole six urns and

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fled from a crematorium. What so they had actually been there,
they talked about the day before, these guys had visited
a few crematoriums to like scout out which would be
the most convenient or the best. But these guys were
there on a visa waiver. Yeah, and they used it
says used prepared equipment to steal the urns during the

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early hours on that day. They had left for overseas,
but they were essentially holding the urns for ransom, and
they were demanding about two million dollars from the crematoriums
to get them back, so they're trying to use the
remains as leverage. But by the time it got reported
to police and they started investigating, they found all six

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of the urns buried one point three kilometers away in
a hillside. So they got the urns back. They gave
them back to the families. They do plan if they
can figure out who these guys are, to charge them
with special theft, possession of remains and extortion against suspects.
And it says they are requesting a red notice from Interpol,

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which I think is just like a worldwide warrant. Yeah,
I think, yeah, I think so too. What a six
also weird thing to steal for leverage, very weird, very weird.
They know if those people have like families who are
still alive or are wealthy, well that's I mean, granted,
they were asking for the money from the crematoriums, which

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I mean, they definitely make a fuck top money, but
like still it's just as a weird thing to try
to extort somebody.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
It sounds like an eighties movie.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Stealing the remains food distortion. Yeah, like all of you
be quiet back then, like a Buddy comedy. Yes, I
could see that. It's very but there would also be
ghosts and they must have they must have done. It
would have been super successful. Otherwise they wouldn't have just
like left them buried and then left the country. I
guess they were like they were not committed for sure.
We anx zany scheme. Yeah, they were not committed to

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this one, for sure. They were not They were not
committed to the bin. That's funny. We're gonna move on
to Netflix and kill which this week we are talking
about jail Break, Love on the Run. Oh so topical.
This is the story of a felon named Casey Cole
White who escaped from the Lauderdale County Jail in Florence, Alabama,

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with an officer named Vicki White. No relation. Oh they
were not like doud just happen to have the same
last name. But she was this sort of long time
very close to retirement officer who it seemed to me

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she kind of gets this sort of have bad luck
and love type vibe, Like she had been previously married
but then had gotten divorced, and she said he was
like a drug addict, and so like she had been
engaged but then her fiance died in a car accident,
and so like you know what I mean, Like she's

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just unlucky in love. She sort of starts this secret
relationship with this guy named Casey White, who was in
prison for He was serving a seventy five year prison
sentence for a twenty fifteen home invasion, two carjackings, multiple shootings.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
She didn't have one like Taurus friend to be like, girl,
he's not for you. He sounds like bad news.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, And then of course this prison escape, he got
convicted of other charges, including attempted murder for sugare robbery
some of the things. So anyway, so they sort of
form this like secret relationship, which is wild to me
because they had like one of the things that they

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show in the documentary is they have all of this
security camera footage from the prison as well as the
recorded phone calls that because every phone call out of
a prison by an inmate is recorded to her where
they would talk to each other. There were times where

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they were like having phone secks or you know, very
clearly like more than this, Like they're acting like they
have no idea professional relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very
strange and people and people were like, you know, she
always said when she retired, she was gonna go out
with a bang. So anyway, she tells these people, I

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do know this case. Yeah, she tells these people, hey,
I have to take him out for this mental health evaluation.
They leave and they just they leave. I mean they
just straight up take off. When they were sort of
tracked down, they realized first they thought she was kidnapped,
but then they they talk about watching the video and
how she does this thing where she turns her back

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to him, which is like a very big no no
when you're working in a correctional facility. Yeah, but it
also shows you have a certain amount of trust with
this person, like she was not letting them lead, like
she was leading this person, like all of these very
small things that are kind of like red flags to

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be like oh no, she was on it, like she
knew what was happening. So and they were also having
sex right in the prison of course. Of course, when
they were found, unfortunately, Vicky shot herself committed suicide after
they had like crashed their car into a ditch. They

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did take her to the hospital, but she died shortly thereafter.
Obviously case he was arrested again. It's a really interesting documentary.
It's kind of a wild ride because it is just
the story of the wild case. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, I remember when that came out, Like it was
so weird because the first things were like she's missing,
like he took her, we have to find her, and
then like that same day they were kind of like,
well she.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Must oh no, we don't know. Yeah, well she's dead. Yeah, yeah,
like I know. And it did unfold pretty quickly. It
was like within a number of days. And he received
the convictions for this stuff in twenty nineteen, so like

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it is pretty recent. Yeah, how was Yeah, it was.
It was pretty good, definitely. I do again, I always
appreciate when they have like footage and stuff of this,
and because it largely took place in a jail, they
have a lot of footage from the jail on the
phone calls, so like that is pretty good. It was
definitely really interesting not a story you hear every day, right,
pretty short from what I remember again, I want to

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say it was like two three episodes. That's not so bad,
but definitely check it out. It's called jail Break, Love
on the Run, and it's just on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
This is that part of the show where we say
content may not be appropriate for all listeners, but we will.
I mean, I am definitely talking about instances of murder,
some pretty dark things. Yeah, yeah, mine's that's okay. Yeah,

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why shows? So what we're talking about today, Rachel?

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Okay, Uh so my topic was related to your Netflix
and kill it is jail break?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
What almost like I planned that. I didn't. I'm just
that good. It just comes naturally. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Have you ever broken out of jail?

Speaker 2 (10:22):
No, I've never been arrested. I can say confidently I
have never been arrested. I have never broken out of jail. Jkse.
I've broken out of the prison of my mind. Oh,
broken out of society's prisons. Whoa, you can't hold me back,

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the man, I have no rules. I'm free, no rules,
just right, I am just kidding.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
I love a good like jail break, like all the
lights going and the dogs barking, the shawshank of it all.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
The shawshank of it all.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, I think it's very exceiting breaking.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Out through shit pipe. Yes, yes, absolutely love it.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
We're there, you've set the scene. So I decided to
cover the multiple jail breaks of Alfred Houdini Hines.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Okay, he had a nickname, yes, I.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Like my uh not on purpose tradition of picking people
with crazy names, ye for this podcast.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
So this guy had an Oliver twist ass childhood in
the absolute worst way. Okay, I think this is such
like no offense to any of our English listeners. I
feel like with a lot of things in England like
this case. When I was reading about his childhood, it
sounds like it's from like the seventeen hundreds, like everything

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that happens. But he was born in nineteen seventeen, So
I want you to keep that in mind while I'm
talking about this, Like this is like around like the
nineteen twenties. Okay, you know, so he was born in
nineteen seventeen and in a town called Newtington. Buts likets
pause for laughter. Okay, So like already you're destined for

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an unusual upbringing.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Who names a place that the English? Yeah, well, you
know what, they need to calm down. They need to
calm down.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
His father, a lifelong thief and criminal, was obviously not
the best role model there sure, And to make things worse,
his father would actually die after being caught for armed robbery,
where the punishment was to be flogged with what was
called a you know, like a cat of nine tales.
It's it only has six okay, yeah, a sentence that

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was so brutal it often claimed lives like those things,
like the ends of those were so sharp, they would
like rend flush from people. They literally attach and rip
like it's like claw. I mean, yeah, claw of a
cat man. And it was like it wasn't I'm trying
to remember if it was like ten lashings or fifteen lashings,
like it.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Didn't sound like a lot a lot. But he died right, right,
And I mean in those days, you'd just die from infection,
infection or blood loss or out on a cold day.
Yeah right, you're just kind for existing, eating a plant,
not having enough cocaine. Oh yeah, that's how I'm going
to die. The humors, the vibes were off. I'm dead,

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I'm dying.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
The vibes were off, I'm done, I'm dead, and I think,
like almost certainly Alfred witnessed that death.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Okay, so it's like that's fucked up. It's traumatizing.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Children shouldn't look at that. After this horrific death, young Alfred,
now an orphan, was remanded to a children's home. Now, unfortunately,
this institution was not a delightful place to grow up.
Sure Bill Mary Poppins, Miss Rachel only cruel, I feel,
and Aford was often punished very severely.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Now it's said that he got in trouble mostly for
surprise thefts.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I mean, you learn what you know.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, and like this is the part where like, as
as a mommy, when I was reading this, I was like, oh,
because I'm thinking at this time, because he's like being
punished for theft, and I'm like, okay, so he's a teenager.
Sure he would end his time at this children's home
by committing his first escape running away at age seven.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Okay, Wow, could punish a little bait like what he's
stealing lollipops?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Like who cares? Who cares?

Speaker 3 (14:37):
I mean, I could mother him, I could change him
a good mother. So He was like, this place blows.
I'm going to continue my junior thievery on.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
The streets, okay, which worked out for very much.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
And this is the twenties, not like the eighteen like
it's so like antiquated.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
It makes sure.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
So he was, you know, being a little seven year
old criminal for a little while, until he was arrested
on his very first little tykes petty theft charge, which
would see him transferred to the Borstal Institution for Teenage Delinquents,
which was juvenile detention center infamous throughout history for horrible conditions.
Right like Borstal is brought up in like all like

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old English things, as like this is the worst place
you could go to. Yeah, like no childcare, no playroom,
no dad. Alfred, who had already successfully ran away from
his first orphanage, was like, hey, I forgot I could
do that.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Why am I sitting here? Bye? Yeah, so he escaped.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
He put Juvie in his proverbial rear view window and mirror.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah. I gotta say, I feel like these places were
much easier to escape. Oh completely, there was no security cameras.
They were not like these high wall like brickton Oh
that'll come in later. Facilities where there's like bars on
the window, you know, like that's not like this big
massive that's not just say everywhere obviously in like prisons,

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you know what I mean. A lot of the laces
he escaped from actually were like pretty heavily really yeah,
because I'm like a lot like a lot of these
like juvenile the time when you're talking kids. Yeah, oh
the homes and such, they're like, I'm sure homes, Yeah,
they're not like Borstal was not like this horrible, big giant.
I still feel with like the lack of security cameras
and sensors and with like modern technology, you know what

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I mean, like these days. No, I totally understand what
you're saying. But it's like, it is funny that he's
like this little baby. Yeah for sure. It might even
made it easier because you can get into those like
vents and ship Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
He's like, I got little fingers black with my tiny
little fingers.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah that's how it works. Yeah, that's it. I fashioned
my fingernail into a key, and now I can break
fashionable work. I love that.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
And then he became a nail art cartoon.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Very I that's so much.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
So he was just like fuck juvie, I want to
be there, and he was just like living and doing
crimes on the streets. Eventually, he enlisted in the British
Army during the Second World War. I'm guessing to escape
some charges. Either that or like he got caught with
something and they were like, why don't you join the
fucking army. Both of those things were not uncommon, you know,

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just like just joined the army, say out of trouble.
Alfred made out of joined the army for the most
noble of reasons. But he did enjoy learning about one
particular thing, camouflage and the art of hiding yourself away
from your m So.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
He's learning red rogue for sure.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Completely, he's like more criminal skills. I love that, Yeah, storry,
it approves. He really took the theme literally by becoming
an army deserter, and after a string of safe cracking,
he was sentenced to twelve years in prison on the
charge of petty theft, though he pled not guilty. Okay,

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I didn't do that. Okay, but he did that.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Why it's petty theft because to this day. So he
he was charged with several robberies where he was mostly
like going into people's houses and businesses and breaking into
their safes and taking their shit. Yeah, ninety thousand dollars
equivalent from that has not been recovered. Okay, so like,
how is that petty theft? That's a lot of funny.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, I mean I wonder if it's just because he
was stealing from like private citizens versus businesses, Like if
that back then was the distinction, That's what I wonder.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
So twelve years ah, such a bomber and right in
the prime of his life. Well, there was nothing for it.
The sentence had come down and Alfred would just have
to sit and serve his time like a proper citizen.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Really the jail break episode, I think he broke the jail.
Alfred took two years to plan his daring escape from
Nottingham Prison, which would earn him the nickname Houdini.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
I wish there was more information about these, but again,
no security cameras, right, so we just have to you know.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah. Also the reporting is thin, yeah and biased. Yeah,
probably sensational, I'm sure, yeah, completely. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
On One Dark Knight in nineteen fifty three. Alfred would
sneak out the back doors, which were obviously locked, but
he would figure out a way to get through those
and somehow made his way up and over the twenty
foot wall, all without being seen.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, so earlier people were like there were no high walls.
I'm like, yeah there were.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, he's like a monkey man. Yeah, he's a monkey man.
He fled to Ireland and worked as like a builder decorator,
which is honestly so cute. Imagine being like the criminal
Alfred Houdini. Heines designed my sitting room. What do you
think his design style was?

Speaker 3 (19:57):
No, I don't know, Yes, fans, I don't know either,
but like, how cute would that be? It's like super pink.
After two hundred and forty eight days on the Lamb,
he was finally apprehended by Scotland Yard and sent back
to prison. Now here is where we could see how
truly intelligent Alfred was. You see, during all these imprisonments,

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Alfred had gained quite an interest in law. Okay, well
like breaking it, but also you got to know the
technicalities right how to use the law to his advantage.
Somehow he was able to levy charges against the officers
who arrested him, like from Scotland Yard citing illegal arrest. Oh,

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he was so compelling that it actually went to trial,
even though it was bullshit.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
And he was representing himself. I'm sure, like, yeah, he
didn't have a y Yeah, okay. Interesting.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
During the trial, Alfred asked the two guards if he
could visit the loo. They were like absolutely, so they
cheerfully escorted him to the bathroom. But little did they
know that Alfred had a little sea secret up his sleeve,
a padlock which he had he had had smuggled to
him during his trial, because this whole time he's in jail.
Sure you know, so he had this smuggled him. He

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was like, okay, guards, please and do my handcuffs that
I can go potty in this one particular not at
all suspicious bathroom stall. When they freed him, Alfred shoved
the two officers into the stall and then slammed the
lock pick onto the screw eyes that his criminal accomplices
had put into the stall before the trial. He had

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so much pull that he was able to get people
to install a thing so that he could lock these officers.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
In the bathroom. Oh, that's fun in the stall together.
There's no space in there.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
You know what, You gotta respect it. Bit so he
locked them in the bathroom stall. Quick as a whip,
he slithered out the window and disappeared into the crowds
of London's famous Fleet Street, probably giggling the whole time.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
He was.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yeah, and he would have gotten away with it too,
if he had been recognized and arrested at an airport
later that same day. It said it was like five
hours later, right right. He was remanded to the high
security Chelmsford prison, where I'm sure the legal system felt
they could breathe a sigh of relief now that the
very tricky Alfred Houdini Hines was firmly behind bars. But

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they wouldn't have long to relax, as Alfred, of course, escaped,
not even a four year late.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
I'm like, would you not just like permanently put him
in chains like pad black to a floor, you know
what I mean, like the feet arm. Yeah, I don't
understand how this keeps happening. There's definitely ways to prevent this,
you would think so, And they did like nothing this
way right right? They never do anything? Yeah, he took

(22:44):
on the alias as he's escaped now of William Howard Bishop,
law abiding used car salesman, which of course was a
cover for him illegally smuggling cars. Sure, he would embody
the identity for two years, and he would have gotten
away with it too if he had been stopped in
an unregistered car back to prison. Alfie. Now, what did

(23:05):
the general public think of this eccentric character? So wait,
hold on, let me ask a question. Did he get
arrested under his pseudonym or did they figure out it was?
They figured out okay, okay, they had been kind of
like tracking him, got it okay, And he made that
easier because this whole time that he's on the lamb,
he's doing interviews, He's like, gosh, how I escaped from prison?

(23:27):
This is how I said. He's like basking completely wow, Okay.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
He had become someone of an early media sensation, and
not without his own influence. Like I said, he gave
countless interviews and public appearances where he charmed audiences with
his knowledge of the law and general enthusiasm for freedom.
Seemed like kind of a Robin Hood type character to me. Yeah,
you would even give these interviews like I said, while

(23:56):
he was on the run, like I'm eluding Scotland yard.
But yeah, totally have time for a quick sit down,
let's talk about me. He even ended up selling his
life story for a whopping forty thousand dollars. Wow, like
you haven't even lived your whole life. Yeah, like live
another year and get more money.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah that's a lot back then too, That's a huge amount, right.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
So it's like he's just got money. How he would
continue to appeal all of his arrests and then he
found a technicality. There's like a whole thing where he
had a woman helping him who is like his common
law life throughout his life, which I love. So she
would help him with like all the legal shit. And

(24:38):
they found out that in British law at the time,
I'm sure they've changed it. Uh, prison escapes were not
listed as misdemeanors, okay, so he couldn't be charged with it,
like it they didn't have him as like felonies or like,
they just were not listed specifically as a rhyme as
a personal offense. Interesting, Okay, so it sure that's definitely true.

(25:01):
I'm sure it has to have I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
But so funny. How funny. I'm sure they were like,
no one's ever gonna break out of these well completely,
and he was like ha actually yah sider Man. Yeah.
His final appeal before the House of Lords in nineteen
sixty was denied, but it said he gave a three

(25:25):
hour argument. Wow, so like he was committed. He's still lustering, yes, stalling.
So he had to serve six years in Parker's Prison
and he like stayed there. Yeah good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Then in nineteen sixty four, he actually won a libel
suit against a one of his arresting officers.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Okay, ray z, he's kind of funny, huh.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well, because what happened was the arresting officer had written
a bunch of articles being like this.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Guy is not innocent, Like this guy's going around doing
interviews being a dick, Like obviously he's not. And he
was like, that's libel. You can't prove I did all that,
And he won thirteen hundred pounds. Wow. Cop probably well,
probably won't do that again.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
So hopefully, well he won't do anything because he's dead.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
But well now, but you'll learn your lesson after you
would think doing that one time, you would think so
so yeah, he became somewhat of a celebrity. Wow.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
And when he so he served his like six years
and got out and was like, oh no, I'm just
a free guy.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
And when he got out, he published a book called
Contempt of Courts Done Done Okay, yes, very true crimey well,
very much so. And then he's describing his many jail breaks,
his children from three high security prisons, his successful libel case,

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and everybody.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Loves you know, everybody loves sticking it to the man.
So he was like, I had to feel really good
because now it's like you've served your time. You're free
and clear, Like you don't there, You're not trying to
like run or whatever whatever. And because of all of this,
like you said, you've gained a little celebrity. Yeah, why
not capitalized and capitalized you can talk about all that shit.

(27:28):
It's you've already served your time.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
And he's I'm gonna make some money yea.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
So people were like calling him like to be speakers
at events. Sure, so this is this is just like
a cute little anecdote. So he got invited to take
part in a debate at what is now the University
of Westminster from the students union.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Okay, I'm sure all these college because we're like, this
guy's fuck it awesome, let's have him. How many times
he broke out of prison?

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Right?

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I want to break out of the prison that is. Oh,
we already made that joke. Society, Yes, Society's prison. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
So this was in nineteen sixty seven. So this college
had this thing called Ragweek, which seems to be kind
of like kind of like a hazing thing. Sure, so
this goofy college thing. So he did the debate and
then he goes to a nearby pub and is drinking. Uh,
six students kidnapped him and they like like tied him up,

(28:25):
and it said frog marched him throughout the streets, being
like wee kidnapped two Deanie Hinds. Like it was all
kind of like a goofy silly thing. It was like
pissed or anything. Yeah, but they as he's being like
tied up because they handcuffed him. He ended up unlocking
his chains and handcuffing them.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Oh my god, like a true like a true wo
DEENI hinz. That's une. Later he became a member of
Mensa and Mensa's bullshit. Yeah, well I think so too.
I mean impressive, I guess, but like Mensu's bullshit.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
He was also a consultant for the for the UK
justice system because so much about breaking the law, sure,
which like those are.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
The people you want to keep close. Please don't do
that to us again, help us.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Instead, just like what's her name in criminal Minds? She
got hired because she was like hacking them and they
were like, why don't you hack for us? Exactly that right? Yeah,
he became this very notable public speaker in England. He
was this big public figure when I was doing research
for this, there's a lot of like he was really

(29:38):
like the public really like venerated him. They really really
liked him. Interesting because I mean he was sticking it
to demand sure, you know, sure, and he would continue
making public appearances do it, but pretty much staying on
the right side of the law. He was never arrested
again after that. I mean, why would he What does
he need to steal?

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Now?

Speaker 3 (29:55):
He's probably got tons of money, true, you know, and
keeping his nose clean. He finally died on January fifth,
nineteen ninety one. Wow, find a very sneaky and sexy legacy.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, how interesting to have done that. So many times,
so young, I know, pretty crazy. He's like, I'm dadding, wow,
love it. Do not ever try to contain me. I
will leave love it well, I will say your guy

(30:37):
is definitely way more like than to pick an asshole.
He's kind of an asshole. So I'm going to talk
about a guy named William Scott Day. Okay. He was
born on October twenty first, nineteen fifty one to a
military family that was stationed in Japan at the time. Japan. Yeah,
I know, not on purpose. Not on purpose. He is

(31:01):
talked about as having a high intelligence from a young age, okay,
And they talk about him spending his days reading these
classic art authors a la Walt Whitman as wild like
that kind of stuff. Gay authors, Yes, I love them.
Day's father passed away during his teenage years, so Day
moved to Michigan and decided to enlist in the Marine Corps,

(31:24):
following his father's footsteps. After enlisting, Day was sent to
be stationed in Flat Rock in southeastern Michigan. It's like
kind of by Detroit, but it didn't seem like it
was the place he wanted to be because this maybe
this is his first escape technically but he deserted. Oh,

(31:45):
he deserted his post to commit what would be the
first in a long series of crimes. Holy During his
desertion period, Day was arrested for attempted rape and attempted
kidnapping of a Michigan woman. At the time, he was seventeen.
For this, he received seven years in prison and was
sent to the Ionia Reformatory which is now called the

(32:07):
Richard A. Hanlin Correctional Facility. Okay, where he also escaped
from prison for the first time. Oh yeah, yeah, it
sounds like they caught him like pretty shortly after and
sent him back. Because he served the remainder of his time,
he was officially paroled in nineteen seventy four. Wow. Now,
like I had mentioned, this was the first in a
very long series of like just doing crimes all the time,

(32:30):
his lesson, no no, no, no no. So in nineteen seventy six,
Day was arrested on a drug charge after being found
with heroin. The Burlington Free Press reported Day at one
time had like a three hundred dollars a day heroin habit.
Oh my god, there's a lot of fucking heroine geese. Yeah, guys,
don't do heroin. Please don't, it's terrible. Do that's bad

(32:52):
for you. In nineteen seventy seven, he was picked up
for theft and sent to prison a prison farm in Jackson, Michigan,
where he won again escaped, He was caught and then
remained there for another year before being paroled in nineteen
seventy eight. Which I always think when you're escaping from
a prison farm, it's just like working the farm and
like running off into the field.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, And with that movie Oh Oh Brother too, also
brother We're at that? Yeah, I love Oh Brother, We're
at thought. That is one of my favorite le But yes,
also like that. I also love holes. Yep, same concept,
but for kids. It's like prison for kids, am I?
Where's the lie? Where's real lie? They were in orange

(33:36):
jumpsuits yep, and forced to do hard labor. That happens yep.
So Day was not out of prison for long after
his little nineteen seventy seven to shawty eight stint, because
the nineteen seventy nine he was once again picked up
and sent to prison for kidnapping, receiving fifteen years. Wow

(33:57):
this he only served two of those, uh huh, and
was paroled again.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
In nineteen eighty one. In nineteen eighty two, Day was
once again arrested for writing dead checks and was sent
to a prison camp in Caro, Michigan, where he once
again escaped Geese. This time, during his escape, Day kidnapped
an eighty year old woman, whom he robbed and left
tied to a tree. Oh yeah, oh my god, poor Ethel. Yeah,

(34:25):
I was yes. Yeah. Once caught, Day received an additional
seven years added onto a sentence and was sent off
to the Michigan State Prison.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Like I feel about this guy the way that we
felt about the last guy, Like, just keep him in.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Jail literally, Like it's also stop sending him to prison
farms because like, yeah, I feel like those are easier
to us. Clearly, Yeah, I think you have more not
that they're unsupervised, but like I feel there's more opportunity. Yeah,
you're not. Like now, I don't know if the prison farm,
like the prison is on the same property as a farmer,
if they're being trued, I feel like it would be

(35:00):
transport its right, Yeah, I think so. Yeah, anyway, stop
doing that, I agree. However, once he returned to prison,
Day began suffering from depression and was temporarily sent to
the Center for Forensic Psychiatry and Ipsilante, Michigan.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Now.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
An article in the Detroit Free Press said, quote described
by workers and officials at the center as pleasant and outgoing.
He played chess with Fortunado and other employees, helped break
up a number of assaults by patients on workers. He
was treated almost like a trustee set a worker who
asked not to be named. There didn't really seem to

(35:42):
be anything wrong with him. He was one of the
more coherent residents. He had a real good line of bullshit.
End quote.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
See I hate.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
I hate cases like it's like Ed Kemper. Yes, he's
just this super friendly guy. Yeah, we're just going to
tell him all our secrets.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
I'm like, stop, makes my job so much easier. He's
helping me out.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
In fact, why would they do it, Yeah, yeah, because
they're doing crimes.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Swap it. Yeah. The article goes on to say that
Day would give people at the facility the impression that
he was some kind of quote electronics wizard who was
adept at breaking into bangs. Oh yeah, great, I don't
this is interesting. Oh okay, So if you're listening closely,
you heard me mention somebody by the name of Fortunado. Yeah,

(36:29):
and I want to go back to this guy for
a second, do it so? Thomas Frederick Fortunado was a
thirty six year old security worker who had been at
the center for fourteen years. Okay. The Detroit Free Press
described him as quote friendly, A friendly looking man who
wears wired wire rimmed glasses, works crossword puzzles with the

(36:51):
neighbors kids, and is an officer in his bowling league.
Oh what a cuty, just like a you know, Midwest guy. Yeah,
very friendly, very friendly, good at his job. He really
liked what he was doing. Fortunado was working the C
forty three ward, which was the convict ward and generally
housed the more violent residents, and so this was like

(37:13):
an area that most people didn't want to be in, right,
But he actually didn't mind it. He kind of liked
working and it was crazy hours. But like, also, if
you think about it, now, you're talking about award with
entirely violent criminals and you get someone like Day in
there who is like normal compared to all of that,
you know what I mean, Like, it's definitely perspective. Yeah, completely.

(37:37):
I don't know if you put him in a general population,
if he would have been as normally you know what
I mean, like as like so calm or whatever, or
as unusual in.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
That that, Yeah, he would have stood out so much,
right right.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
So after Day after Day is transferred to the center
in Ipsey, he and Fortunado sort of form this friendship.
They're playing chess together and they're hanging on No, no,
not even like working. It's just like hanging out with
a buddy. Yeah, it's dangerous. You're working in a bad
place now. He so he had been transferred there from

(38:10):
the prison for specifically for his depression. So this was
a temporary placement until Day had like completed his treatment,
had cheered up, had just gotten over it, Yeah, get
over it, and he knew that his time was coming
to an end. So, approximately two weeks before he was
set to be transferred back to prison, Day began asking

(38:33):
Fortunado if he might possibly, like, if there's not too
much trouble, can you help me escape? Oh my god,
And Fortunado initially thought this was a joke, like, haha,
good joke, buddy. You know I can't do that, And
it's unclear like why for Stinado eventually decided to help him.

(38:54):
They talk about this over and over again. They're like,
we still do not understand, like what the motive was,
Yeah him, because yeah, he he literally like he has
a wife and kids and a good job and is
like love. I don't think so, I don't you want
that to happen with everybody? But like, well that was
just like legitimately, like wow, I don't know, I don't know.

(39:18):
So but for some reason, also because Day is very manipulative, artismatic,
that's true. Yeah, he somehow managed to convince him to
help him break out. So the two beg in hatching
a plan to bust out Day one that would be
put into action twenty four hours before Day was scheduled

(39:38):
to be moved back to prison. Whoa yeah, So, per
his instructions, Fortunado went to Toledo, Ohio, where he rented
a car and left it for safe keeping in the
parking lot of a General Motors factory in Toledo, and
then went back to Ipsilante. He then set about trying

(39:59):
to gather a bunch of money to like beat us
for this long trip going on. You need a ton
of money, but he was only able to pull five
thousand dollars out of his own bank account, like that's
all he could get his hands on. It was about
five thousand dollars, which is not a lot. Yeah, when
you're trying to restart your life, escape the law on

(40:21):
the day of the escape day was assigned to laundry duty,
which worked perfectly for them because once he was on duty,
like during his laundy duty, he just gets into the
laundry cart of course, and then Fortunado comes along and

(40:41):
pushes it outside. Take away this basket, and then he
he like pushes this is the this is how a
picture it happening from the just all the descriptions I've read. Yeah,
he pushes the cart outside and is like, oh shoot,
I forgot I have this tour scheduled with a new employee.
I need to show them around, leaves the card outside,

(41:02):
goes back in, being like, oh, yeah, I have to
go do this tour. Works his shift. I don't know
if he worked his full shift, but he was also
working like overnights too. Oh okay, So when they're they're leaving,
this would have been like the early early hours of
the morning, like three, two, three, four o'clock sometime in
there okay, okay, So he pushes them outside. He finishes

(41:24):
up whatever he's doing in the building. He leaves the building.
The two men get into Fortunado's truck. They drive off
to the GM plant in Toledo, switch out the cars.
He leaves his truck at the General Motors plant, gets
into this car that he had rented, and then they
head towards Louisville, Kentucky. Wow. There they rented a motel

(41:48):
room and blew one thousand dollars going out and partying.
Get the fatay. They were just like, let's live at
the fuck up. Okay, now, listen.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
I know you were saying I was being but I
thought it was like, Oh, you're gonna help me get
out of prison and then I'm gonna leave by myself.
They're leaving together.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
You know, they're he'd gotten That's why they had gotten
five thousand dollars. They're not. They're not jerking. They definitely
were not. They were not kissing on the No, they're not. Yeah,
why we're not. It's dumb. I don't fucking know. Maybe
he thought it was the excitement that the thriller. I
absolutely do not. Everybody in the world is not gay. Rachel.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
But it's kind of weird that they left together.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
That doesn't mean they're gay. Yeah, I think, my god, whatever,
disregard this crazy went over here. No, I'm definitely not.
You know, I love the gays. I'm just saying not
everyone is gay. No, I know, but I'm just it's
just weird. It's super weird. It is unusual. It is unusual.
So yeah, so they go out partying. They get to Nashville.

(42:51):
They're like, let's fucking party the next day. Days the
first one to wake up. And then Fortunado wakes up
not long after, and he decides he's gonna happen. He's
I'm gonna take a shower before we hit had had
it on the road. Again, this was a mistake because
he gets in the shower and Day takes this opportunity.
He takes a car. He takes most of the money

(43:12):
he left Fortunado with, like fifty dollars stick and leaves
leaves Fortunado behind. Oh my god, bucks off with the car.
Aw But as I'm sure you remember, like these two
guys had talked about their plan, and I didn't get
any indication that like Day would have lied to him

(43:32):
necessarily about okay, the ideas of where they might go.
Uh huh. So, once he realized that Day had left,
Fortunado hopped on a bus to Mobile, Alabama and tried
to chase after him, go after hibound the ZoZ. When
he got to Mobile, he hitch hiked down to Tampa.

(43:54):
Oh my god. Then he eventually ran out of money
and he spent a few days like surface homeless shelters
because he didn't have any money. And I think this
was like the moment that he realized I'd done fucked up. Oh,
he's now been left behind, he's out of money, he's
living at a homeless shelters. Again, he came from a

(44:15):
life where he was married, they had kids, they had
a comfortable life. He had this really good job. He's
like I re so. And also, by now the authorities
knew that Day was gone. They were operating on the
assumption they knew that Day was gone and that Fortunado
was missing. They think he like kidnapped him. Yes, they're
operating on the assumption that Fortunado was kidnapped. Also because

(44:37):
again like everyone's like, why the fuck would he do this?
He's not that kind of guy, So they assume he's kidnapped.
But it's like I said, like he is coming. He
has to be having regrets about doing this whole thing. Absolutely,
So he calls his wife a couple of times. They
have like a couple phone conversations. He then turns himself
into the FBI in Tampa Wow, and waves his right

(45:00):
to an attorney, confesses to everything he does get charged.
I forget what he gets charged with. But when he
goes to court he pleads no contests. Okay, like he
was like, I did that, Yeah, I fucking did it.
I did, I done did the thing? Yes. So now
the FBI is like, oh, he had help with this,
and it's searching for Day, which is the whole thing. Ow,

(45:24):
He's off on his own. After he left the motel,
Day ditched the car that they had rented in Louisville
and got a bus ticket to Nashville, Tennessee, where he
ran into seventy four year old Mary Catherine Struggle. Oh no,
she had been out to deliver a sack of potatoes
to a rescue mission. It's part of her volunteer work routine.
Oh yeah, she was like one of these like very

(45:46):
lauded for her. What do I want to say philanthropy,
volunteer work, like big, big deal in the community. Poor
Mary Catherine. This is from the Tennessee end quote. Day
told authorities that he approached Struggle in the parking lot
of Sears and Roebuck on Lafayette Street, showed her a
pocket knife and said he would rob her. He got

(46:07):
behind the wheel of her car, drove about a black
and a half away, and demanded the thirty dollars Stroble
had in her purse. He said. He then drove around
Nashville for several hours with Stroubele sitting in the back seat.
End quote. Now, during this like driving around, he gets
stopped by police for speeding. What Yeah, And he did

(46:30):
get two citations because he was speeding and he did
not have proof of license. But he tells the officer,
this is my mother. She's having a medical emergency, like
I'm trying to get to help.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Oh my.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
So he's like, okay, well, I'll just write you these
two citations and you can go on your way. Give
him a uh what is that? When they like, oh
my god, I can't think of the word. Like a
when the police go with you to the hospital, oh,
like an escort yes, yeah you would. Can I call
you an ambulance? They're allowed to speed you, sir, are not?

(47:04):
That's crazy? Yeah, that's crazy. So he goes off. Eventually,
Day tells Struggle that he's going to tie her up
and he's going to put her in the trunk. This
sends her into a panic. She starts screaming panicking. This
causes Data panic. He's like, oh my god, I thought

(47:26):
you'd be cool with Yeah. I thought we'd be chill.
The vibes are right. I'm having a good time. Are
you having a good time. He takes out his pocket
knife stabs her twice before putting her in the trunk.
He then went to a Jim Dandy market where he
robbed them of seven hundred and fifty dollars before leaving
the car in Nashville and getting on a bus and

(47:47):
getting out of Dodge and she's in the trunk, all
poor man.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
From there, Day next surfaced in San Antonio, Texas, where
he ran into seventy six year old retired McCann Roberto
ours Apollo Alcozer. He had been on his way to
visit his daughters in California. It sounds like they like
were on the same bus route, like they're both traveling
across country. He was on his way to visit his

(48:15):
daughters in California for Christmas. This is like right at
the end of December. They sort of strike up this friendship.
I don't know about you, but I definitely am cursed
with this. When I'm in like airports and stuff, like
people will start talking. We'll just stop chatting. I make
friends on the plane. I'm like talking to.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
The approachable Midwestern I hate.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
It, but it is. It is my curse and my burdens,
so I agree, I'll take one for the team. I
guess yea. So it sounds like it's that kind of thing.
Though they like met on the bus they kind of
strike up with that's long trip, yeah, nothing else to do.
Right At one of the stops, they had like gone
to party at a bark over like where they were
stopped overnight and stuff. But while they're on their way

(48:57):
to Tucson, Arizona, Day asks about a pouch that urs
Apollo al Kozer has like sewn into his jacket and
he says, oh, this is like where I keep my money.
I've got like two thousand dollars in here. It's like
a safety pocket. Don't tell people that. Well, he's not
a stranger anymore. They're friends. They're totally friends. So once

(49:21):
they arrived in Tucson, Day lures him to this sort
of remote part of the bus station where he was
beat up. They talk about him being slammed into, like
the electric box that was back there. He's robbed of
basically everything except for forty dollars and his passport. Ours

(49:43):
Apollo al Kozer was found and taken to the hospital,
where unfortunately he died from his injuries, and Day was
once again like out in the room, out in the wind,
out in the wind. So from Tucson, Day goes to
San Diego, where he spends Chris with a group of
Taiwanese college students that he treated to a holiday dinner

(50:04):
and a visit to the zoo. Oh okay, again making
friends wherever he goes. But by the New Year, he
found himself back in Marianna, Florida, ready to pick up
his crime spree. Took a break for the holidays, really fun,
celebrates the new year, meets some go to college students.

(50:26):
Let me treat to zoo and dinner. Hey, so weird, dude,
I don't even know. I don't even know. So he
goes to Marianna, Florida. On January tewod Day went into
a pawnshop where he murdered fifty five year old Evan Johnson,
who had been working at the store. He then robbed
everything he could and left, and as he's leaving, he

(50:49):
goes to turn the sign on the door from open
to closed as he's leaving, which sort of catches the
eye of a nearby police officer because it was like
the middle of the day, right, and so he's like,
why are they that's kind of weird, like why are
they closing right now? So the officer stops him, he
asks him what he's doing, like what's going on. Day

(51:09):
says that he was the clerk's cousin and the cousin
had gone out to lunch forgot to close the store up,
so he stopped to temporarily close the store. Yeah, while
he's out for lunch. This was like kind of sketchy
to the police officer. But he did not have any

(51:30):
probable cause for arrest, like there was no nothing causing alarm.
He's like, okay, whatever you say, so he had to
let him good. He couldn't he couldn't hold him, He
couldn't arrest him for anything. That sucks. Yeah, and obviously
he didn't know there was murdered on the inside, but like, right, bomber, Yeah,
what do you do? Day then hopped on another bus

(51:51):
and headed to New Orleans, but not before stopping off
in Pensacola to catch the nineteen eighty seven Fiesta Bowl game.
Stop it. It was a big college football bowl game. So
he's just going to sports, I got. I mean, what
else does he have to do? Where's he gotta be? Fuck,
where's he trying to go? This guy's a nut. He's
supposed to be in prison now, he's got all the
time in the world. Like, oh my god. Yeah, let's

(52:13):
not forget he's he's currently a fugitive from prison.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Yeah, he was just like, I'll take ah football game.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah. By January sixth, the Day was in Fort Stockton, Texas,
where he met Billy Taylor, who he beat and stabbed,
leaving her body on the side of the road. Day
made it to New Orleans the next day, where he
met twenty seven year old Andrew McClelland at a lounge
in the French Quarter. Now being the nice guy that

(52:41):
he is. Of course, he's offered to share his hotel
room with his new friend McClelland was in town for
this job interviews. He's like, all right, cool, like saves
me a hotel room. The following morning, a housekeeper discovered
McLellan's body in the hotel room, appearing to have been
stabbed to death. Having committed another murder, Day stole McClellan's

(53:03):
car and went back to Mobile, Alabama, where he ditched
the car behind a bus station. A few days later,
Day found himself at the trailer home of fifty three
year old Stanley Robertson. Day bludgeoned and stabbed Robertson to
death and slashed his throat before stealing his car. He
didn't make it very far before he gets noticed by

(53:25):
a police officer. Again, this is from the Detroit Free Press. Quote.
The officer said Day was traveling ninety miles per hour
when he was spotted west of Van Horn, and the
truck he was driving turned out to be owned by
a man from Valentine who had been slain end quote.
Oh well, you know that's suspicious. Yeah, So of course
he sees this guy speeding he stops him. He starts

(53:46):
asking some question. Day claimed to be another man named
Tom Willins, who he said he had dropped his uncle
stan Lee the guy whose car this is Robinson. He
dropped his uncle Stanley off at a local bar and
was borrowing the truck to go look for work in
El Paso. Oh yeah, normal normal stuff. So this is

(54:10):
all happening, right, he's like questioning him about the car.
Now he's driving whatever. He overhears on the radio for
dispatch that a local liquor store had just been robbed
like minutes before, and sixty seven year old Dorothy Alexander,
who had been working at the liquor store at the time,
had been pistol whipped in the incident, so she got attacked.

(54:31):
And since like this just happened, they at the time
did not know that Stanley Robertson was dead or that
like made the connection between like him being dead and
this being his cary. But this robbery had just happened.
This guy's plying past at ninety miles per hour suspicion, Yeah,
that was enough for him to get arrested and held.

(54:52):
He he asked Day to step out of the car,
and when he did. It was very clear that there
was like blood all over his clothes. Oh well, they're like, okay,
that's He's like, that's even more unusual. Catch up. I
was even a hamburger, Like yeah. So he was immediately arrested,
taken to the jail to be questioned. Of course, when

(55:14):
they called in the truck, the fact that it comes
back to this recently murdered Robertson, obviously they're like, okay,
we've made the right call. Finally, you know, when it
came time for Day to be question he immediately waved
his right to an attorney, confessed to everything. Is like
absolutely they were at the time that he was arrested. Again,

(55:35):
there's like these simultaneous investigations happening. So at the time
that he was arrested, they were mainly concerned about this
hold up in him pistol whipping this woman, So that's
what he was being questioned about. But and honestly, because
of the spread of murders, they probably didn't even know
at that time all these other people. I'm sure they'd

(55:58):
been in contact with Cruz the day confessed to not
only the hold up, but informed authorities that he had
actually escaped from the IPSE mental facility in Michigan. By
the way, I'm an escaped prisoner, just like illegal, uh,
and then tells them that he had killed eight people
while he was on the run. Oh, by the way,

(56:21):
just so you know, just so you know, is this relevant? Yeah,
Obviously police immediately call all of these agencies where he's
claiming to have murdered all of these people. They wanted
to conclusively link him to some of them. With the
evidence they had, they could link him to the six
that we talk about. So he claimed eight, we talked

(56:41):
about the six that he was actually linked to for sure.
While all of these indictments are coming down because now
we're talking about multi state agencies and like, this would
not have been a federal crime because he never transported
a person across borders. He was committing a murder in
one state and then going to another state and committing

(57:01):
a murder and going to another, so they would be
prosecuted by states rolland Stone. So all of these indict
the states are like working on getting these indictments put together.
But during this he gives an interview from jail to
the Nashville Banner, where again he's like, yeah, I fully
did everything, Like he goes out in the paper and

(57:22):
is like absolutely admitted to everything, but said that he
was high and drunk during the slayings, which to me
is very much trying to set up a defense for yourself. Yeah, yeah,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, obviously on the he
had a drug and alcohol problem, right, that's not like
he had a heroin problem.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
But plenty of people with drug and alcohol problems don't
murdering people.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Yeah, And it's like to come out with that right away,
to intentionally give an interview, to say that right away
completely you know what you're doing. Yeah, he said what
you're doing for sure. Yes. So there was a bit
of like legal maneuvering done by Day's eventus attorney. He
didn't have one during his confessions, but he got a
sign one, I believe. Okay, Tennessee was the first to

(58:06):
issue an indictment, but Day had been picked up in Texas,
so he was sitting in Texas waiting for charges in Texas.
And I'm sure we all know how Texas feels about
the death penalty, Like they are very very pro death
penalty down there, very pro death penalty down there. So

(58:27):
Day's attorney was like, well, we will not fight the
extradition to Tennessee because Tennessee was likely to and I
think at the time had indicated that they were not
seeking the death penalty, that they would seek a life
imprisonment term. So they were like, we will not fight
this extradition to Tennessee because it was also likely that
if he goes to Tennessee, he gets convicted, he gets

(58:48):
his life prison. He might not even be like brought
up in charges in the other states. I see that.
I mean it saves right, it saves a lot of time.
I mean, it makes sense. It's one of these things
I always feel conflicted on because the victims' families, I'm
sure would like prosecution. But at the same time, like
just logistically it does. It saves time and money in

(59:10):
the courts. He's going to be in prison anyway. I'm
sure for closures sake, it would be good to have that.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
But like I wish there was a step between like
an actual full trial and like investigations they could do,
like if they could be like, okay, we we officially,
unofficially like attribute all of these things to me.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yeah, and they pretty much did. But like you can't
say that about somebody you're not convicted in court, you
know what I mean? Like, I just wish there was
like I know, I agree with you, like a different
completely Yeah, but you'd be opening yourself up to so
many libel aimation cases, you know what I mean? Like
I don't, which is why I'm not a lawyer. Yeah.

(59:52):
So anyway, Wow, So he gets extradited to Tennessee. They
when they got there, they we tried to get a
change of venue out of Nashville because by this time,
like the case had become very highly publicized, especially when
you're talking about somebody being murdered in Nashville and having

(01:00:13):
to go back there and stand trial, Like, yeah, people
knew about it, but the judge denied their request, although
there were a number of potential jurors who knew about
the issue is is you have jurors who know about
the other murders, right, and not just the one in Nashville.
It's almost not even an issue of knowing about that one.

(01:00:35):
But there were a number of people who said, oh, yeah,
we know about these other murders and his potential involvement
that were dismissed. So they did get excused from jury duty,
but they eventually put together a jury. The trial lasted
two weeks. Day was convicted on all accounts. However, the
jury could not come to a unanimous decision on sentencing,

(01:00:56):
and so Day was automatically given three life terms. Oh huh,
he died. He did. Oh, he died for natural causes
of the Tennessee State Penitentiary at the age of fifty
four and February two thousand and six. So he did.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, he broke out of prison multiple times and then
did a bunch of crime. Our guys are pretty similar,
except Mind's way more violent. But what a dude. Yeah, dude,
fuck that guy. He's like the evil version of yours.
He's like his Warrio.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Pretty much. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. You need something to
listen too? Well you break out of prison? Yeah, check
out this podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Thanks so much, well, Rachel, that has been our episode.
It sure has. I'm so ready for an app I'm
so tired. I've been yawning this whole time. I know,
I know. It's not because you think I'm bored. No, No,
we're tired, bitches. We are tired. I'm so tired. Yeah.
If you liked this episode, you can find more just
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(01:02:37):
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start recording the second episode for the day, we're like
plotting our lunches. Yeah, maybe I'll do this. Man, get
Jimmy John's. I might actually have a free sandwich at
Jimmy Johns. I'm gonna have to go. Oh that sounds good.
I love James Jonathan. James Jonathan's love it on that note.

(01:02:58):
Our sound and editing is by Tiffolman. Music is by
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(01:03:18):
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You guys are gonna love it. But we will see
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(01:03:44):
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