Episode 207 - Huge Tracts of Land

Crime isn't all big cities and bustling streets. In the wide-open spaces of South Dakota, from the Black Hills to the Badlands, some of the most chilling cases are hidden in plain sight. This week, Vicky and Rachel are exploring the dark side of the Mount Rushmore State, where secrets are buried as deep as the prairie soil.

You can check out Murder Road Trip here!

Research links below!


Daily Capital Journal - "The human monster: How a suspected serial killer was arrested in Stanley County"
The Billings Gazette - "Suspected Murderer Kunnecke Once Lived In Idaho"
Deseret Evening News - "Career of a Criminal - William Kunnecke Under Arrest for Murder of His Sheepherder"
Omaha Daily Bee - "Kunnecke's Trail of Blood"
Omaha Daily Bee - "Kunnecke Held for Murder"
The Salt Lake Herald - "Dakota Murder Mystery"
The Citizen-Republican - "Life Term Convict Makes His Escape"
Philip Weekly Review - "German 'Lifer' Now in Mexico?"

South Dakota News Watch - "'Kids look to adults:' Responding to child trauma 50 years after Gitchie Manitou murders"
Argus Leader - "Survivor speaks 40 years after Gitchie Manitou murders"
Dakota News Now - "Throwback Thursday: History of the 1973 murders at Gitchie Manitou"
Argus Leader - "What we know about the 1973 Gitchie Manitou mass murder where 4 teenagers were killed"
Ottumwa Radio Group - "Tune into the Past with Ottumwa Radio: Gitchie Manitou Murders"

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Why they discovered upon their arrivals unspeakable. I'm not.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
They did want bother. It's the living.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
You gotta worry about.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
Something. If I couldn't keep them there with me whole,
at least I felt that I could keep their skeletons.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hello and welcome to the Bad Taste Crime Podcast. I'm
VICKI I'm Rachel. We're back again.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
How are you guys. We're in the middle of a
heat wave. Oh my god. We always I feel like
it has become tradition for us to immediately talk about
the weather. In the Midwestern Girl at the top of
the podcast, you hear something funny that I heard the
other day, and I was like, this tracks I was watching,
there's some like Midwestern guys on TikTok that I like,

(01:01):
the Midwestern comedians are They're so funny. I know exactly
who you're talking about. He was talking on his podcast
about he was He was like, have you ever heard
of Midwest sober? Have you heard of the sober? Yeah?
What is it? You know what it is? Okay, now
I don't know. I look just like there's California sober
where you don't drink it alcohol, you smoke you smoke weed.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah, I've never heard of Midwest sober. I was thinking
of California Sober.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
As soon as I heard this, I was like, yeah,
that's oh my god. What is Midwest sober? Is when
you are drinking like hard liquor or like mixed drinks,
and you all of a sudden are like to like,
You're like, WHOA, I'm getting a little tipsy, so you
switch to beer.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Oh that makes so much. I was like, yep, yep,
I California Sober. I'm like, no, I love that. I
can't do that personally.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Because if I just keep drinking beer, I'm just going
to keep getting drunk. But like, yeah, I know a
lot of people who are like, whoa, I'm getting I
feel I'm feeling a little tipsy. I switch back to beer,
which is so funny. That's very trull. Goodwesship, you had
to be here. Oh god, I can't drink beer. It's yucky.
I only drink beer in the summer.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
I drink it never because it's yucky.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well, I'm playing volleyball at like bars and stuff sand volleyball,
so get a white claw. Well I will start I'll
start with an angry orchard, but where we play our team.
Every night that we play, we get a free pitcher
and more people drink beer. It's cheap. It's there. Or
like yesterday I was helping a friend of ours move
and they're like, you want a beer? And I was like,
you know what, that actually sounds really good. Yeah, I

(02:35):
totally get that very much. A summer beer drinker, get it,
not really in the winter. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Anyway, if it's your first time listening, a special hello
to you. We've got a great show for you. But
first we're gonna head over to the newsroom.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Watching today we had fifty this week.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
We're talking about Sam's Club. Sam's Club and a.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Guy Costco's uglies really needed to go to the bathroom. Oh,
we are talking about a Florida man.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
This happened on May thirtieth, twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
His name is Patrick Francis Mitchell. He was seventy years old.
He was arrested for disorderly conduct and criminal mischief with
damages over one thousand dollars for urinating on ten thousand
dollars worth of food at a Sam's Club.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, he has that's a trial for this. He did
enter not guilty plea. But he's accused of urinating on
palettes containing three hundred and forty five cans of spam
and eight hundred and eighty eight cans of Vienna sausages.
That's a Vienna sausages, not a sasages.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Er.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Obviously they had to throw all the inventory away. Of course.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
This is not like, let's sanitize and resale. No, no, no, no,
even though I'm like, there are worse things that you
could be peeing on. Right, there's stuff that comes in
like paper bags that's a like or like a palette
of open grapes. Yeah, like like literally on the salary,
Like yeah, his on mussel.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah. So another customer, oh my god, claims that he
saw this. He alerted employees, They got the surveillance video
and everything, and he was in the store for an
extra ten minutes after the incident, paid for his stuff
and left what and then they later used his Sam's
Club membership to identify this person. Uh yeah, so ironic.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
He is accused. He has not been convicted of any crimes,
but he has been charged. He will be in court
at the end of June. I feel bad because like
he's elderly. But it's like you could be like, hey man, oopsie,
do at all tell somebody, don't just be like.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Well, and I've seen some of the messas the elderly
may so, oh yeah, he's in the bathroom. When I've
been working at the Bowling Alley, when I worked.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
At Best Buy, like retail employees, no, old people be
blowing up the pen. Yeah, And I don't necessarily think
it's an intentional thing, right what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Sometimes I think it might be. But sometimes you hear
nature's call and you just don't sit down fast enough. Yeah,
which I've been there too, where I'm like, oh my god,
I might not make it. Oh yeah, those are the
moments that I'm like, I get it now. Like I
am an old guy and I weren next to a palette.
I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna pee my pants.
Like sit down. But also, doesn't it sound like he

(05:41):
was just spraying it higher hose left eye? Wonder if
he even marring.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
He was just like, oh it feels a little warm
down mud down under.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
What's going out? Is you have to be said, like
Pete his pants is what you're saying? Yeah, Oh, I
mean he got it on stuff, so we'd have to
be standing on a palette while he's peeing his pants.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Oh, that's you know what I'm saying. And he had
to have like his fly open.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah. I feel like if they got it on video
and they're they're we need to charge him with that,
then it probably was pretty obvious that he was intentionally
your That's what I am thinking, because like old people
have accidents, but this does not. I don't. I don't think.
So what is hella good? It is good?

Speaker 4 (06:22):
It is.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
We're gonna move on to Netflix and kill this week
we are talking about I'm going to get the name right.
Let the search for Instagram's Worst con Artists, and this
one I went back to. I hadn't watched yet, but
I went back to watch because there is a new

(06:43):
ish Netflix series based on this case. It's like a
fictionalized called Oh cool, what is it called?

Speaker 4 (06:54):
I don't know if you know Colin No, it is
called Apple Cider Vinegar. Oh, I saw, I've seen that.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
That's about this case. Also, so Search for Instagram's whereas
con Artist is a documentary that looks at the story
of Belle Gibson, who at the time she was twenty
one years old. She was a social influencer. She came
on the Instagram claiming that she had cured her terminal
cancer through wellness and healthy eating. I bet she'd changed

(07:25):
her diet using I don't know, natural supplements whatever. People
were very inspired. There were a lot of people who
had cancer that were like, we love your stories. Want
to Yeah, And frankly, when you are becoming a social influencer,
you'll know right away if you're going to be successful
or not. You know what I'm saying. It kind of

(07:47):
either takes off or it doesn't. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
And when it does take off, it's like a huge thing. Yeah,
like a big boom. And so that's what happened. Okayy
here she was doing.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Interviews, She's making a lot of money, She's releasing cookbooks,
she's you know what I mean, Like she really is capitalizing. Well,
guess what turns out she never had cancer. Duh.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
A lot of her story is made up. She didn't
eat her cancer away with Carris and.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Like, definitely not. She misleads all of these people online.
The documentary is really interesting because I believe this was
the first time that some of her family members have
spoken for her, her biological family, her actual family. Her
brother was on being like, yeah, this is not like
the person that I grew up with. She was always
very attention seeking, like she was kind of a punk kid,

(08:37):
like an emo kid kind of. So she was like
hanging out with some you know, maybe not so great
characters and like doing this, you know more. It seems
like she sort of morphs into whatever you need her
to be. Most people will know Belle Gibson from you
see this come up every once in a while, the
interview with the Australian woman because she's alien where she's like, so,

(09:02):
how old are you? And she's like, I've been raised
that I am twenty four years old. And she's like, okay,
but how old are you? That's right that she's like
the interviewer pulls no pun. Yes, I believe I've been
raised to believe that I was twenty four. But she's like, okay,
well what how old? But how old are you? Know
what I mean? Like answer the fucking That video comes

(09:22):
up ever. I see it every once in a while,
like making the rounds again. Yeah that is bal Gibson.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Oh yeah, and that interview is taking place as all
of this is coming out, like all of the the
realization that actually she's been lying about her cancer diagnosis
and a lot of the things that she's been telling
her followers. That interview was like an attempt to smooth

(09:51):
it over, and it just made it so much worse.
That's amazing. Yeah, people lie about having cancer are the worst.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah. Fuck those people. Yeah, fuck those people, don't you. Indeed,
it is on Netflix.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
It's two hour long episodes, so it's a very very
short series.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
But the story is just kind of insane. Yeah, and
I would. I have not yet watched Apple Cider Vinegar.
I do want to get around to watching that, but
I want to try it. It's more of like a
it's almost like this other girl being in competition with
her for these Instagram followers, and she's been lying.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Because you said, it's like fictionalize. Yeah, yeah, it's like
a fiction because it's such an interesting concept. Yeah, let's
watch both and then report.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah back, but definitely check this out. It's called the
search for Instagram's Worst con artist. She is a real
piece of shit. Yeah, fuck her. Fuck her. Indeed, she
did get charged with some things eventually and got banned
from like oh good doing certain things I think in Australia,
but I don't even know. Eh. Yeah, anyway, ew, this
is that part of the show where we say content

(10:52):
may not be appropriate, fault for all listeners. And man,
my mouth is like moving faster than today. Me too.
It is not the first time today that I've just
been like, oh yeah uh this week, Oh, we're definitely
gonna be talking about murder. Yeah, my old murder.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
So it is old timey murder. Mine has a little
bit of old timey young child murder, but not I
won't go the graphic.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Oh yeah, I'm just looking at you through a blur
after this sumter. It's my DIY filter that is just on.
You came in and you smeared jelly on my lenses
to give it that night from Star. Yeah, look, whitens
my teeth, smooths down my face. You can't move on everything.
You can't see my So.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
This week I wanted to go talk about a place
that we actually do not talk about.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, I was wondering if you picked this one. Yeah,
well I'm like that we do, you know, and maybe.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
This says something about where crime is happening or where
murders are happening.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
What we find most interesting. But we have done like
multiple There's like a handful of states that we've just
done multip episodes on because the people coming out of
those states are is one of them. Florida, Florida is one.
We've done a couple on Ohio, definitely, Illinois, New York,
I think Texas. Yeah, I mean it's like I think

(12:16):
we did one on Washington.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
I mean it.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
But like there's some that we just revisit all the time. Yeah,
this week, I wanted to talk about South Dakota. Yes,
And it's funny because I was like, well, we haven't
really talked about crime in the Dakota's at all, like
your door south, but when you google crime in the Dakota's,
South Dakota is literally the only thing that comes up.

(12:39):
There's like that's what I noticed too. Yeah. Zero about
North Dakota.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Yeah, I don't know, just because there's no people living
there or in the like fair but it could mean
that the crime rates in North Dakota are significantly lower,
or it could just mean that the crime rates in
souf Kakoda our significantly right.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
I'm not really sure, but here we are. I'm not
sure what's going on in Dyoda and south South Dakota.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yeah, there's mountains, yeah, cows, yeah, some horses, probably wild hogs.
Ooh yeah, well, I mean that's anyway, I am going
to take another trip back to the eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
I feel like I've been doing this lot.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
I love old timey murders, I do too, but I
wanted to travel back, especially because in that area during
that time, like, there was just a lot of crazy
shit going on, for sure. So I want to talk
about the human monster. William Kanucky crazy, this guy.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
This guy there isn't honestly much about his early life, right,
which makes sense eighteen hundreds. But what we do know
is that in eighteen eighty four, Kentucky emigrated from Germany
to the United States. He landed first in Mountain Home, idahow. Yeah. Yes.

(14:12):
When he first got there, he was running a shoe shop, okay,
but didn't seem like the retail life was the life
for him. So he in job got taken by some elves.
That's what it was, you know, before we pushed them
to extinction.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Yeah, So instead he decided to go into farming, and
he purchases a herd of sheep and he keeps them
at a farm near or like a grazing area near
Rocky Bar.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Okay, because this they might still do something similar. But
I feel like when you have farmland and animals now
generally it is fenced off. Maybe that's not the case,
but at least back in the day, they would have
like a farm and then there would be a separate
area of land where they just like let the sheep
raise and they have a herder sort of watching over.

(15:05):
But it was just like open. It wasn't like fenced in.
That's dumb because this is also too I think before
there were like land claims and like you know, I
bet they lost a lot of animals. Probably, yeah, probably.
So at some point, Kanecky meets Regina cop through a
marriage bureau just like a It was an arranged marriage

(15:29):
service that was super populares like you know, pre tender,
pre tender, pre like mail order, bribe internet stuff.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
You just sent in your info and they were like
here you go. Yeah, They're like, we have a match.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
She'll be there in fournight an they'll be thee yeah
in a fortnight. Yeah. So he meets his wife through that,
and she I believe is also German. Okay, there's huge immigration.
He's like, omg' spreckensey Deutsch. She's like yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
As the farm grew, Kanecki was forced to hire some
farm hands to help out with the increasing workload, something
that he was he did not seem.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
That excited about. I'm sure understandable. It had to do
with having to pay them. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't want
to share the money he's making with other people. Maybe
his wife was super hot and he just didn't want
anybody else to see her. I mean, keeper sequestered in
the hills the Blacks. Maybe Luckily CoP's nephew was coming

(16:34):
from Germany also and immediately had a job when he arrived.
They were like perfect, someone in the family. Great. His
name was Coinger, I'm sorry, Coneingur okay, and he was
really only referenced by last name, Like there's not a
lot of people know his first name, so Collaguns I'm
thinking hot. Maybe yeah. Maybe he was at the farm

(16:57):
in Idaho for around a year and a half before
he mysteriously disappeared. Oh no. When Kentucky tried to replace him,
he would tell prospective farm hands that his former employee
had decided to return to Germany. Convenient. It is convenient,
uh huh. But the German consulate caught wind of this
claim and decided to investigate a little bit good. So

(17:20):
they contact Coninger's parents in Germany and they're like, we
haven't heard from him in like a while. Is he
with you? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Which also you would be talking about hearing from somebody
maybe once every month, maybe two, at the speed that
like mail and stuff traveled yep, especially overseas, yes exactly.
So like it was hundreds, it would be several months, yes.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, So the fact that it was longer than that,
and they were like, yeah, we have not heard from him.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
They also were like, we have this note that Kentucky
had given to Coninger saying that he owed him eight
hundred dollars and he had not made good on that yet.
So the consulate went to Kaneki demanded that the money
be paid, and Knecky was like, I already did it.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Oh you did that was so nice of.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
You, he quote unquote already did it. I did that. Yeah.
So the townspeople catch wind at this and they start
wondering why Coninger left so abruptly, But most people just
believed that Kanecki had killed him, well, right, because they're like,

(18:34):
that's what I'm married being so far. But they didn't
have any real proof, So the authorities offered a thousand
dollars reward for information on his whereabouts to try to
drum up some leads, assuming he had become worried somebody
was on his trail. Kanecki was last seen riding a
horse to Trinity Mountain, which is this area that presumably

(18:59):
Coninger had been murdered, to likely dispose of evidence before
burning down a shack that he owned.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
That's what innocent people do, cover their tracks. That burns
stuff down. And I believe him now presumed that Coninger's
body may have been in the shed that he was
burning down.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I think that's a fair assumption.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, so by the time they got up there, he
would have been right, or he threw him off a mountain.
Who knows, you're in hilly territory with lots of animals, Yeah,
like right, yeah, who knows. Again, none of that is proven.
He was just they knew he went off in this
area and that later the shack that he burned down,
and there was outside of that little to no evidence,
and they.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Call that circumstantial evidence nowadays nowadays, dude. Then back then
they're just like that's weird.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
So in the spring of nineteen hundred, a sheep owner
named Litsen was discovered on a trail between his farm
and Kanecki's farm. They were like, I get the impression
that they may have been rival sheep herders, okay, or

(20:12):
that there may have been some dispute between the two
parties because they're like neighbors basically, yeah, yeah, yeah. So
his body is discovered on this trail between the two farms.
Litzmann did not believe in banks and carried most of
his money on him and people knew this, okay, But
when his body was discovered, they did not find any.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Wow, that's crazy. I bet the sheeps took it. They're
all in Vegas. Yeah, yeah, back then eighteen hundreds, Vegas.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, the sheep Kanecki was getting it from all angles.
At this point, people were like suspecting him of Koeninger's murder.
Now Litzman has turned up. That been good for this guy.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
He was also he was also under investigation at the
time because he had violated a law about hurting diseased
sheep and was being charged with that, you'll sicken the flock,
you fool, you fool what.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
So he was actually being charged with that and in
the meantime being looked at for Coninger's disappearance and Slitzman's murder.
So he was like, it's time to go goodbye, So
he skipped. He skipped town for the sheep hurting charge,
conveniently coinciding with the discovery of Litzman's body. Right, I

(21:34):
wonder I'm just thinking now too, I wonder if maybe
Litzman like had some knowledge of the diseased sheep issue
and like turn him in all. Maybe I'm wondering, I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Sheep keep coffing on my sheep. I'm gonna call the
authorities because that, honestly was some stuff that happens later.
Like that would kind of make sense. It does be
that he would do like a retaliatory reporter, right, And
I mean, I'm sure like two like crotchety farmers run
the same stretch of land. I'm sure it's like, hey,
you give those back. That one's my sheep, you know,

(22:10):
right whatever?

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Right, I mean, I'm sure they were branded well maybe
not actually think maybe cheap branding.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
I think in I know in modern times they like
paint them.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Well and they clip the ears too, the ear tag things.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
So maybe back in the day it was like that
one loves me, it's mine, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
It doesn't seem like a very big legal basis owning property. Okay, well,
carrying all your money on you because you don't believe
in banks, there's also no legal basis for them.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, but how many people still fucking do that now?
They're like, I'm never putting my money in a bank,
I'm gonna bury it in the backyard because those banks,
or if you're dumb, you keep it under your mattress
where it will grow mold. Yeah, don't do that. Don't
put anything under your mattress. So Kanecky leaves town. His
wife stayed behind for a little bit to just like
tie up some handles, some loose ends, yeah, and then

(23:04):
meets up with her husband. Cool. Later it would be
discovered that Kanecki had poisoned Litzman, stole his money, and
then just let he didn't even bother disposing of the body.
He just left it anyway. Yeah, Yeah, anybody gonna pick
that up after this little dust up, Knecky went back
to Germany for a little bit before coming back to
the US, and this time he landed in Cottonwood, South Dakota. Okay.

(23:29):
He again decides to set up a farm. But what
is what is the farm without livestock?

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (23:36):
True, So Kaeky stole three hundred sheep, oh from another farmer.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Okay, listen, that's a lot of sheet. They're gonna notice.
I know, I'm idiot.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
So you come in the middle of the night, I'm
assuming dressed as a wolf.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Probably true. Maybe he's a furry.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
I mean, maybe it's not just like a handful of sheep.
It's like a few nights at a time, you know
what I mean, Like they didn't like five at a
time or something. But yeah, three hundred sheep at once.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, three hundred sheep. This guy's a fucking idiot. Steals them.
He steals them from a farmer named James Cox. He's
making bed choices and starts his backup farm and his
backup arm, his farm, his second farm. Yeah, Kanecki was
charged and convicted for this. He gets hot, he gets charged.

(24:31):
He received a month in jail. I bet he was
sheepish and a one thousand, three hundred and fifty dollars. Fine, okay.
He eventually gets another farm, starts the farm back up.
He hires a farm hand named Charles Rohbecker. Cool name, right,
hard to say very much. So, of course, like all

(24:52):
the others, Robecker eventually disappears, just like kind of I
don't know, hard to find good health these days. Yes,
they just keep disappearing. I don't know what's wrong going on.
So Charles had a brother named William who came to
the farm, started asking questions, was wondering where his brother was.

(25:13):
Of course, there's an explanation for all of this, all
of this, KNECKI told Charles, excuse me, told William that
Charles had quit, and after that he just left and
after that he didn't know what happened to him. Okay,
so he quit, and yeah, but you know he's got
this opening now, So like, if William wanted to work

(25:33):
for him, you could, you could take the opening.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
So, hey, William, don't don't do that. He takes the job, William,
You fucking idiot.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
He takes the job, William. Now, while working, William meets
Andrew Demmler, who was already employed by Kanecky. He had
already been there for like a number of months before
William arrived, and so he gets to know Demler a
little bit. And William learns that he never went anywhere

(26:02):
without his sheeplind coat, and he has this very faithful
dog who is like by his side night and day,
and his wolf costume. And yes, so things seem fine
for a while. Cool there, he's working, everything's good. But
then Demlar mysteriously disappears. No, so weird right again, Kaneki

(26:28):
is like, he quit, he quit and left, But I
have this new job opening because Demler. I get the
impression that William was a farm hand and Demler was
like a sheep herder.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
She was like, you can take his job because now
there's a sudden mysterious space.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I need somebody to watch over my sheep. That's more immediate.
Do you want to have his job?

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (26:52):
So William took Demler's old job and the two of
them go out to the sheep camp and they find
Demlar's dog sniffing at a pool of frozen blood. Kaneky
attempts to explain that this blood was from a sick
you that they had killed. They had to put down.

(27:13):
But William was like, this is super weird. This is
super weird. Decides to search the shack and he finds
Demlar's sheep coat, like the sheeplind coat. Don the dog.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Is here, the coat is here. The blood is here.
Also yeah, also that but like the.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Two things that he was like, he never leaves without these.
So he starts asking questions to Kanacky. And when he
starts asking these questions, he becomes really defensive. He is
braiding William for asking too many questions. Why are shut up?
You're asking too many questions, which is also like a
big red plae, super innocent. William immediately tries to quit.

(27:54):
He's like, I'm out, I'm trying to quit. But he
was told that he would have to wait until they
were able to find a replacement farm hand. So what
But again, he's killing people. Get out of there, right,
But do you appease him for a little bit, so
maybe you can make a plan. I'm gonna train to

(28:15):
bite out your neck and then I'm gonna leave it,
turn and run and just let this guy kill you.
Like he's killed like literally all of his farmhands. He
can try. I've befriended the sheep there on my side. Well,
he's not a hurder yet. He just got there for say. Okay,
well I'm saying what I would do. So he tries
to quit. He's like, crazy, you can quit, but just

(28:35):
give me a couple of days to find a new farmhand. Yeah.
William still has this bad feeling, but knowing that he
was likely to be killed next, he agreed to appease him.
That makes sense. At that point, Kanecki takes the horses,
both horses, leaves William to tend the sheep to do
his job. He as soon as he was gone. He

(28:57):
waits for nightfall, and William ran through the night to
head towards Fort Pierre, where he wanted to catch a
train to safety in Iowa. Okay, makes it there. He's
like trekking miles and miles through the snow to get
to a train station, gets on the train, makes it
to Iowa, and immediately wrote the local sheriff to tell

(29:21):
him about Demler's murder.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Good job, William, right, nic right, I thought you were
done for dude.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Now, it's not often that a sheriff gets a letter
like this, yeah, about these murder claims. And he was
a little skeptical. He but he decided to invest anyway
because as skeptical as he was, Sheriff Feeney was aware
of Kanecki's like past weird record and was also aware

(29:48):
that Demler had sort of taken off suddenly. So he's like, yeah, yeah,
this would be some yes for sure, So he goes out,
he starts questioning Kaneki, and he again claims that Demler
had quit and left for New York. Yep. But the
sheriff wasn't convinced and followed up on the claims for
three days, searching for any new evidence and honestly coming

(30:11):
up empty handed. But then on one of the rides
up to the farm at this I didn't put this
in there, I should have, but it talks about him
getting a posse of six men to go up to
the farm with him. They find these sort of suspicious
wagon tracks. It was like there was the one trail

(30:32):
and then there was an extra set of wagon tracks
where they normally would not be mysterio and frankly, this
is the same trail that they had been following for
three days, back and forth to the farm and back
and forth to town, like they would probably notice fresh tracks,
new tracks. You know what it is. So they followed

(30:53):
these weird tracks, and further up the following the tracks,
they discover freshly dug dirt and a small clump of hair.
Oh no, but they didn't find anything else. Oh my god.
Three miles further up the tracks, they find none other
than Kanecki. Oh hey, what's up? Dude up super early

(31:16):
in the morning, claiming they're like, that's weird. Why are you?
Why are you here? Go early, claiming that he was
gathering firewood. Huh, he was on the wagon and they
did search the wagon, but they didn't find anything, so
they are kind of like, Okay. They continue to search
the area, the surrounding area, yeah, and discover two pieces

(31:40):
of Demler's body about fifty feet off of the trail.
Oh my god. Ew. So, what appears to have happened
is that Demlar's body was frozen, yeah, and then chopped
to pieces basically and hidden out off of this trail.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Thought he was being slick, thought he would well, I mean,
up to this point, he's pretty much gotten away with it,
so why would now be any different. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
The cause of death, though, was actually a gunshot wound
to the head with a pistol and then a second
shot again into the mouth and head with a shotgun.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Kannecky was arrested immediately, and as soon as he was arrested,
he contacts his attorney. Good, I mean not good. I
mean it's fine, it's fine. His attorneys attempted to get
a change of venue because they're like, there's no way
he's gonna get a fair trial out here, especially because
he has gotten this reputation for his farm hands mysteriously disappearing. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Well, you know, he kind of brought that bout himself.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Right, Oh yeah, for sure, I'm not saying it. It
is fully war like a fully warned stand. Yeah, and
he I don't believe he has ever charged in any
of those other cases because there's nov This is the
only time that they had evidence. But it was like
kind of assume. Yeah, so yeah, they try to get
a change, change of venue, but it was unsuccessful. Kanecky

(33:11):
spent about a year in jail awaiting trial, during which
he attempted to escape three times. Okay. After being disciplined
for one of these attempts, Kanecki went on a six
day hunger strike. Oh my god, like you're gonna punish me.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
Well eat, They're like, yeah, he tried to kill himself
by eating a bar of soap. I'm just imagining him
in the like prison infirmary, like hiccuping bubbles, like all mad. Yeah,
that doesn't kill you, be dead by now they boil
the lie to make soap you can eat a little bit.

(33:48):
Probably true, Okay, see I was like, well that's dub
of course. So but they were making it with lie
back then, Okay, that actually makes I think it'll just
have big diarrhea. Oh probably because you can't eat, you
can't like process it. But I don't think you die.
I think you would just get sick.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
No, but he probably thought there was enough in there
to poison himself. He's an idiot. I mean no one claimed.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
There was also a second suicide attempt by getting into
a fight with two other inmates, but instead he just
got the shit beat out of it.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
I had to recover for a couple.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
I'm just imagining, like he bumps into them. They're like, hey,
that's okay.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
He's like kill me, kill me. He's like oh sorry,
and then just like bumps harder. He meant to do this. Yeah,
So after a While in jail, Kanecky does confess to
Demmler's murder, but he's still attempting to downplay the situation,
saying it was in self defense. Oh, shut up, all
in self defense. Can't prove otherwise then minus again minus

(34:52):
the dismembering.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
I like, right, so many people do that, and I'm like, no.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, because this came up in like an epic sod
or two ago where it was like, forget the dismembering
part of things, but like the rest of it was
self defense. But don't worry about that. No, no, no,
I'm not gonna forget. You got to listen. It was
self defense. And then he accidentally got frozen and then
I dropped him oops, and he just shattered him. To see,
that's how it works, or it happened sometimes dunes. You know,

(35:19):
you know, you know, the jury didn't find this compelling either.
Don't worry good because Kanecky was found guilty and sentenced
to life in prison, to be served in the South
Dakota State Penitentiary. Good Kaneki went to prison. He goes
to prison around nineteen oh five, but in nineteen nineteen,
while he was watering the prison lawn, he managed to

(35:43):
escape through the gates without being noticed. It was like
the gates were opening to let other inmates write in
to go do their job, and in that moment he
like ran out. Oh damn it, they do. Shortly thereafter,
the warden notices that he's gone and attempted to chase
him down in a vehicle, which is also kind of
a big deal, right because vehicles are very new.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Sheriff's coming in this big old patty wing.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Honestly, he might have had a better look with the horse, yeah,
because he should have brought a dog. They were by
the time that they got the got into the car
and like late he was already like way wow, way
far ahead. Kanecky was traveling in the night times. He
manages to completely evade police and he was never seen again. Wow. Yeah.

(36:30):
The assumption there was like one report, one potential sighting
that they've kind of said, like this is the only
thing that we that is like somewhat solid. They saw
him a few days later in like it was in
like al Paso or something. Wow. So the assumption is

(36:50):
that he was heading down to Mexico to get out
of the country.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
But yeah, he literally he served when I say, nineteen
oh five.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
To nineteen nineteen. Now he's dust in the wind. Yeah
he and he was never seen again. He's shawshanked it.
Assuming he's dead now that he could be alive knows
our next guest. There's no way, but yeah that wow,
that's yeah, what a dick? What a dick?

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Indeed, Okay, South Dakota, home of the Black Hills and

(37:41):
the bad Lands, which he honestly sounds pretty goth it
does it does? Have you ever been there?

Speaker 2 (37:48):
I have not, So we like classic Midwest family. We
did a lot of traveling to Wisconsin. We get a
lot of travel. We did some to Florida and Iowa,
but in some Missouri, but basically Midwest. It was until
my later years that we started. I personally started going
to like Washington because I have rid in Washington in
the East coast. But we never really did like the

(38:10):
West thing. So there's a lot in the West that
I have never been to. I yeah, me too.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
I we went to The only reason I've been there
is because we went to Yellowstone.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Oh drove like through it.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
I remember going to Mount Rushmore and being mad because
my like tiny little leftist self was like that hill
belongs to the Native America are carving our.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Presidents on it.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
And then I remember going to the bad Lands and
like running around on all the rocks.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
And I will say, since my parents have done a
lot of traveling out there, because they do have like,
oh yeah, some national park, like the national parks and
so out there are cool and I would love to,
but no, I have not been, unfortunately. I think I
was like nine. Yeah, so it's like I probably enjoy
it more now for sure. Let's go, I didn't have
a similar appreciation for like nature when I was younger.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Yeah, true, very true, anyway, understandable. But it turns out
this beautiful western state has got a lot of gnarly murders.
We were talking about that earlier. That it's just like, yes,
it has so many Yeah, and it's the fifth least
populated state. Okay, it's a super high crime rate. Yes,

(39:24):
and you were totally right, way higher than North Dakota. Yes,
Dakota's like nothing. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, it's so true,
so weird. Yeah, it's not very dense, it's not very
densely populated at all. Huge branches and stuff, that's true.
Swaths of land, Yes, ud wrecks of land. So today

(39:47):
I'm covering the Gitchy Mantle murders. Okay, okay, so not
the eighteen hundreds, but like the seventies.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Okay, yeah, okay, so still kind of into Yeah, I
mean that is definitely vintage. Yeah, the nineties are considered
vintage now. Yeah, I know I hate that. I do too.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
You know that World of Warcraft video the Lee rode
yis that's.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Twenty years old.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
I know.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
They just they just celebrated the twentieth anniversary of the
Black Eyed Peas album The Stop It you know, the one, Yes,
you know, the one head wears the Love on It. Yeah,
and Let's just Get It Started. Yeah, that's that album.
It's had an elephant on the cover. I can't think
of the name of it, but you know what I'm

(40:32):
talking about. Yeah, that was also that. Okay, Okay, I
regret bringing it up now, good good.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
Now, thinking about all these beautiful outdoor scenes, I have
to ask you, what do you think of camping?

Speaker 2 (40:50):
So that is also something that when I was younger,
we did not do a ton of. I personally went
to camp. So I went to Jesus camp really too.
But and I've done some camping in my adult years.
I actually kind of like it, Like I do enjoy camping. Yeah,
just chilling, yeah, drinking yep, firing, yep, s'moresing. Oh absolutely,

(41:14):
you know what I mean, Like I do, I do
enjoy it. But we just didn't do a ton of
it when I was younger. Yeah we didn't either. Yeah,
and I feel the same way, like it looks so
much every once in a while in the right place,
during the right time of year. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Like I would get.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Down on some glamping now for absolutely. Yeah, but that's
no shame. And like I'm bringing like a ten person
tent for myself, Yes you got you guys can come in. Yeah, sure,
there's no room for you though.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah. Gets at the end of the hate good night,
get the fuck out. Yes.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
The last time I went camping, it was kind of
a disaster. I think I had to be like twenty two.
It was like hate and Jess and everyone. Our camping
ground was shared by a bunch of people in campers,
so it was not only like ten camping. There were
people in like the driveable campers. They were super weird
and like territorial like they did not like us being there,

(42:04):
Like we drove I remember, just drove her like little
red car to us, and immediately we'd been there like
five minutes, we had people on their golf carts come
up be like, why are you driving so fast? Meanwhile
the speed limits like five miles an hour. She's smollowing
the damn speed limbit. We're like, we're just setting up
and they're like, okay, well, we have a lot of
families here, so if you guys could just make sure

(42:27):
to like be super quiet, and we're like, get the
fuck out of your face. I paid to rieup on
this land. Get out of here. It was really weird.
It was like really tense. It had it did have
bathrooms with showers. She was great, but then it poured rain,
which was not great now, so someone someone had brought
a vape pen, so we crammed like seven people into

(42:49):
one tent that was filled with cherry flavored.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Smoke nice while we like waited out the rain. Nice.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
Love that Love that Q fact, it was actually the
first trip I ever took with my now husband, so
it was the first time we slept, like actual sleeping together.
Getting your eyebrows on my face sounds.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Like a likely story listen.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
But we never like actually like napped together, and so
that now we're gonna be sharing a ten. So it's like,
oh cool. I've always had like really bad insomnia. I'm
a terrible sleeper. I slept super great and I woke
up the next morning like ah, like birds chirping like whow.
And I go out and everybody else is like so
mad because Rob snores like a monster. He snores so bad,

(43:38):
but it put me to sleep. Turns out I need
white noise to sleep and I didn't know that nice.
So that was the day I have to marry him. Yeah,
because A no one else will because he's deafening the populace.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
So I have to scoop him up. And b he
puts me to sleep.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
Yeah, I mean, I mean he might have like half
me up that he might want to get that kids
now you no, I agree, you have the white noise
of the sea pat machine.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Which is equal.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
You so right, he just he just snores like crazy,
big old beer. We also went to Applebee's instead of
making food, so that was good. But so needless to say,
it wasn't like in the rough camping. It had a pool,
you know, like and it was like driving. Yes, it
was like exactly that, but like this case, they're doing

(44:35):
like real seventies camping, like.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Knocking into the woods, pitching a tent. Absolutely gotcha, Absolutely gotcha.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
So this is right on. So all of the people
involved in the story are from South Dakota. The story
actually takes place right on the border of South Dakota
and Idaho. In this it's a state preserve in the
gchy Manitu State Preserve. Okay, so it's like kind of

(45:06):
in Iowa and kind of in South Dakota Idaho. Yeah,
oh no, it is Iowa.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
It is.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
It's Iowa, not Idaho. Okay, yeah, okay, it's right on
the border okay of those two. Okay, not Idaho.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Okay. I'm just correcting you with what you just told me. Silly.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
I have to look at a map of the United States. Now,
hold on, stop, I don't remember where anything is. No,
I know, I always mix up Ohio and another one.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Okay, it does. I guess I didn't realize that Iowa.
I caught the bottom little corner of South Dakota.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
I always feel like it's like, yeah, Idaho's further east,
but it's not. I Iowa was further east. Yeah, yeah,
but it's not. I always feel like it's like right.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah, you know, it catches like the bottom right corner
of South Dakota.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Yeah, so right on that little overlap, there's this state park,
like the state reserve.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
They went camping, gotcha.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
So our campers were eighteen year old Stuart Baide, Bade's
fourteen year old younger brother, Dana Baide, seventeen year old Rogersam,
and fifteen year old Michael Hadraff. Okay, Roger Essom brought

(46:22):
with him his thirteen year old girlfriend, Sandra Chesky. It
was it sort of seemed this was another one where
it wasn't. There was like a ton of information about
like all of their relationships. Sure, but he had met
her at like a movie theater earlier in the summer,
and it kind of seems like, Okay, come and come
on this trip with my friends, Like, come and meet

(46:43):
my friend.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Sure she didn't.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
Yeah, going camp, going camp, nothing suspicious, having fun, very teenage,
very teenage.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
And it gets even more teenage.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
So they go, they drive to the area, they have
their tent, they start building a fire, they're getting everything
together and as the night falls and like I'm sure,
they're roasted marshmallows and stuff. They pull out a marijuana cigarette.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Oh my gosh, for madness.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
I know which truly, I'm like, that is the best
improvement to camping.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah, but also.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
I fully expect this. Yeah, I know that with a
bunch of teenagers in the seventies in the middle of
no one, it's like, who's gonna flyte them? Absolutely, so
it's like, yeah, they pull out a little boat of
a cigarette. Yes, unfortunately for them, because that sounds like
a good ass time. Unfortunately for them, they were sort
of overheard by three brothers who were in the woods

(47:42):
doing nothing good. Uh a creepy David and James Fryar
so creepy. David was twenty four, Allen was twenty nine,
James was twenty one.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
There's some real hills have ice. Shit they look like that.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Oh no, like fucked up and close. God, yeah, they
look like their pairs and we're siblings. Great, love that,
love that, And like what were they doing out in
the woods, don't know, fucking around? This was in like
kind of a remote area, Like I understand it's a
state preserved but it's like, what are you doing there?

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Like you're weird.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
So they were up on like this ridge and they
looked down and were like, to me, it seemed like
they were for an extensive period of time watching.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
That's so weird.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
The teenagers so creepy, super creepy watching them set up.
And then they said later they smelled the marijuana and
were like, well, we want that.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
So they went down. Yep, they were like okay. Uh.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
So they go back to their truck and take out shotguns. Okay,
take take that escalated quickly expensive, just buy some. Well
back then, well, but the teenagers afforded it. They know somebody.
You had to know somebody.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
It was, it was. It was much more complicated in
the seventies and I went and it was complicated in
the aughts.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
I know.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Now it's easy now you forget it was ever illegal.
Go into a building that used to be a burger.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Kid, Can I get for a number four please with
a large coke? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (49:21):
So they still up on the ridge, get the shotguns.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Oops. I just hit my mic with my hand. Nobody
would have known. If you didn't say anything, I didn't
know what. Now it's in the podcast everywhere. No, it's
in the podcast forever. Now continue now.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
So they're still on this ridge overlooking. They have the
shotguns and they open fire. So without ever speaking a
word to the.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Wow, that escalated super fast, super quick.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Okay, so they they shoot two of the boys. Stuart
Bade was at first wounded and felt down, but Roger
sm killed immediately.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Oh my god. The all of the rest.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Of the teenagers were like ah and ran into the
woods and ran away.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
So this is the time that the Friars, the three
brothers came down from the ridge. Oh so they were
on the top of the ridge shooting down. Yeah, okay,
so they came down from the ridge. It seemed like
they had to have known the area pretty well. I'm
guessing through the little hillbilly boys. Yes, well men, that
they come down from the ridge and they're like, hey,
we're actually police officers and we smelled that smelled that

(50:31):
pot that Mara Jauana and you guys are all in trouble. Now, again,
there's not a ton of details about this. I think
they probably didn't fucking believe them, like, you're gonna shoot
us because we have a little funny cigarette.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah. Also, I don't think that a cop would call
it pot. No, A cop would be like your marijuana
cigarette or your reefer. You know. They were very like,
I don't know, a straight edge about it back then,
like it was yeay, yeah, yeah. I don't think they'd
be like we saw your pat Yeah. And also actually
they would not like well maybe they would chow first,

(51:07):
ask questions later, but not like that.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Yeah, not like that in the middle of the woods. No,
especially not have their all white kids. That was exactly
what I was thinking. And they were just say and
they were yeah. So they come out into like the
clearing and are like, hey, we're cops, and as they
sort of like, I think they probably came out because
they were like, they're gonna chase after us and kill us.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
There's no way.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
They were like, oh my god, they're cops. Yeah, no way, No,
I don't believe that. No, but they came out. Alan
Fryar then shot Michael in the arm. Okay, was you know,
some kind of a confrontation there, and then forced all
of them to They're They're like, okay, we're rounding you up.
We're gonna walk away. We're going like to their pickup truck. Okay,

(51:52):
they tie up the uh the thirteen year old girl
they tie her up, put her in the trunk.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Oh god, okay, then who is driving the car? Alan?

Speaker 4 (52:02):
So the brother Alan got into the truck and drove away.
The other two brothers turned and executed the rest of
the teenagers.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Oh my god, shot them all to death. What yep?
Are you serious? Yep? Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
And they actually they even went back because remember I
said the one Stuart Bade was just wounded.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
They went back and shot. Oh no, he was. He
was pretty injured, so he wasn't able to move.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
What that's crazy, like over nothing, that's crazy, that's super crazy.
So poor Sandra. So he's driving her around. She's tied up, terrified,
absolutely petrified. She has no idea what's going on. She
doesn't know that the gave all that shin right, thirteen

(52:51):
years old, like the rest of them were teenagers, but
she was thirteen, litle baby. Yeah, she doesn't know that
the rest of them have been killed.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Oh my god. I'm sure she probably heard the gunshots.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
And I don't know how far the truck was away,
because I mean.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Even still, you know, maybe you don't know specifically what happened,
but like.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Right, I'm sure she was like, well, yeah, something bad's
going to happen to me. He drove her to an
abandoned farmhouse, he raped her, and then put her back
in the truck. The other two brothers were like coming

(53:35):
back from killing everybody else with their other pickup truck,
and we're like, what is she still doing alive? You
were supposed to kill her, And he was like, oh, yeah,
I'll take care of it. And he drove her home.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Oh my god, isn't that crazy. I don't know why.
She said. He wasn't nice or anything, No, but there
had to have been some sort of guilt.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
That's like huge, Like you'd think even just like like
drop her off somewhere, but he drove her back to
her house. Yeah, like that dropped her off home.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Whoa.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
And the whole time, she said, he kept pretending to
be a police officer. Like the whole time she was like,
I know you're not a fucking cop. Like she didn't
say anything, but she was like, you're up.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
That sounds some like some real weird delusion. Shit. Yeah,
like there is something deeper, I think, so going on there. Yep. Yeah.
So the following day.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
A lovely couple was probably trying to take in the
picturesque South Dakota sites or Iowa sites whatever. They were
visiting from Sioux Falls, Okay, and they came across all
of the bodies.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Yeah, so they because of course they didn't hide them,
They just left them, right. Yes, there was one. I
think it was Roger Essam. His body was not discovered
until the next day. It was probably like because he
was back at the camp ground, so maybe he was
further in the woods a little bit. But they didn't
fight him until the next day. But they found them

(55:05):
all fairly quickly. Yeah, and no, they didn't try to
hide anything.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Jeez.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
So Sandra had heard I think she went to school,
is what. Yeah, she went to school and had heard
that none of the boys came back. And then she
was like, oh, I better go to the pub.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Oh so why are you sending her to school? I
don't know if she told them what happened. Oh no,
I mean think about it.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
And again there's not a lot of like interviews and
stuff with her, Like.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
If I okay, at least they took her home, she
could be like, help, yeah, this is what happened, and
send police that way. But obviously if they were discovered.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Right, and I'm assuming that she didn't believe that they
were police because she's not stupid, right, but like.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
She's scared enough. Maybe she did.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Yeah, and think about it, you're a thirteen year old girl.
You're camping with your seventeen year old boyfriend who has weed.
They were probably drinking. She probably didn't want to tell
her parents. Maybe her parents thought she was at like
Susie or algebra classes house, so she might have just
been like, I don't really what to do.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
I guess I'll go to school.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
And then everyone's like, did you hear that all these
boys died?

Speaker 2 (56:15):
She was like, I better go to the police. Yeah,
well that's good. I mean, I'm glad that she went. Eventually, yep.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
And of course initially they did not believe her. They
were like, well, that doesn't make sense. So she has
this personality which is probably from trauma, where she's very composed,
and they were like, why aren't you crying. You're a girl, Antia,
why aren't you crying? And she's like, I'm going to
pass a polygraph and she did good, so they were
like fuck you. So then they were like, okay, we

(56:43):
believe you. Take us to where this happened. She's like,
I'll take you to the farmhouse. Like, let's go, I'll
show you where that guy assaulted me. So they're driving
there a couple of days later and she's like, okay,
we're coming up on it. This is the farmhouse and
right past drives Alan in the truck was the one
who assaulted her.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
And she's like, that's him. Wow, that's the guy.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
That's the guy right there the end, that's the guy.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
That's the Wow.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
She said, that's him, that's the boss.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Ye.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
So they immediately pulled him over and arrested him, and
within a short time they were able to apprehend the
brother the other two brothers as well. Whoa now fucking
Alan was like, because they were like, hey, don't kill
teenagers for what And he was like, they opened fire
on us and they were like with what and he

(57:35):
was like, oh, good point. So by his injuries right right,
they were like, oh, so you're fine and you had
to kill all of them.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
He's like, and then not right, you just went home. Yeah,
we just went home.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
So by his third interview, he was like yeah. But
then he quote tried to justify them by saying the
five tweet teens had been drinking and smoking marijuana, Like
so what you kill them?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah, get out of here. You have to kill me too. Especially,
it does sound like there's some sort of like delusion
of being a savior to people, like wanting to be
a police officer and rid yep, evil like something along
with you know what I mean. Like, it's that kind
of like that last.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Guy, the guy I talked about I think last week,
the guy who like had kidnapped the woman and then
they found out there were all these dead people in
his house.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
So great.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Yeah, he had that where he kept talking about like, well,
you know I did I did kill her, but like,
oh she was really suicidal, so I saved her.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
It's very that that like ego of like, well I
know what's best for everybody.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah, that had to have been like something going on
to the thing. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So they were all charged.
All three brothers were arraigned and charged with four counts
of murder. I don't know why they did push it
to five, but I mean four is a lot. Yeah,
it's hand to been an evidentiary, I'm guessing.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
Yeah, so Allan obviously the court thought the same thing.
They were like something's not quite right upstairs with Allan.
So he had to undergo like extensive psychiatric testing so
they could see if he was competent to stand trial.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Sure, and he.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
Was, And on May twentieth, nineteen seventy four, he was
found guilty of four counts of first degree murder and
sentenced to four consecutive life.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Terms in prison. Oh good.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
But then right after the trial, so that was on
May twentieth. On June eighteenth, him and his brother James
escaped from the Lion County jail. They stole a car
and fled the state.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
They got as far as Gillet, Wyoming, Okay, and we're yeah,
go back to your map.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
I don't know where this is. I know, I'm like,
because I'm thinking, I think they're pretty.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Close together, wyomings By, Like, oh no, that's Idaho against.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
I know, this is what I'm like, hold on, I
gotta look at me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
I'm so bad at geography. I don't know where shit is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
So Wyoming is, well, it's just straight west. They were
just going straight west. Yeah, because I'm thinking, okay, like
Canada would be the play, right, like to go straight
north if you're trying to escape. But no, it's just
it's straight west of South Dakota, right, basically, that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Yeah, they were just like by okay, all right, so
they got him back. Ok They found them in Gilllett, Wyoming,
pulled him over, Okay, back to Iowa. Yeah, face federal charges.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Oh good.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
So James, this brother James, he was determined to have
an IQ of like eighty five. Okay, poor behavioral control,
poor impulse control. Okay, So he was found guilty, but
he was only found guilty of like three murders and
one charge of manslaughter. Okay, so he kind of got
a little lesser and I'm assuming it's because of like

(01:01:02):
his intellect. Yeah, but he was sentenced to three concurrent
life sentences.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Okay, Okay, so that's good they.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
I thought this was kind of nice because Sandra Chesker
did come and testify, which I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Parloh yeah. Also good for her.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Absolutely, And that really was like the Lidgepin right to
get them because she would be the only witness that
exactly exactly. I'm sure she was like an incredible witness.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
But they.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
They were going to do a separate trial for the rape,
but they were like they're going to be in jail forever.
There's no possibility of parole for any of them, yea.
And they were like, we don't want to subject her
to another trial.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
I get that, I get I get that, but there
is something to be said for like being convicted on
that specific.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
Absolutely, I think they should have done it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Yeah, I get that. You can't do.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
It, like you can't lump it all together. Yeah, but
I'm like, but it's like should be. And also if
it's a hard thing you did, Yeah, that's a that's
a hard because she was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
So young, so young when all of this is happening,
babe that Yeah, you don't want to like re traumatize, right,
I don't know. That's a tough call.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
They certainly tried, because in twenty sixteen, David Fryar was like, hey,
can you actually give me possibility of parole? And Sandra
Chesky had to drag her middle aged ass all the
way back and be like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
No, yeah, in good hands because also hopefully by this
time she's had therapy and she she.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
I think just wrote a book or did like an interview.
You'll have to link it. I saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Yeah, yeah, So it's like that's good. Yeah, good for her.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
They're all still alive.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
Alan is at Anamosa, Iowaka, and the other two brothers,
David and James, are at Fort Dodge Correctional Facility, also
in Iowa. So they're not all together, which I think
is smart because two of them fucking tried to flee. Yeah,
so don't put them together. Yeah that they normally at
least for a certain period time. Like Menanda's brothers weren't

(01:03:03):
together until very recently, very recently, I think like a year,
couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Yeah, so I'm not surprised, I mean either.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Because like don't escape. Yeah, they're all in prison to
this stay. And that was the Getchy Manitou murder.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Oh my gosh, that's that's crazy. What a crazy story.
Crazy that was. Uh, Well, before you decide to take
a vacation to South Dakota, why don't you check out
this podcast.

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Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
That has been our episode for this week. Yeah, do
you have any thoughts before we wrap up here?

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
You know we were talking about like the appeal of camping. Yes,
that story made me not want to go camping anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
I don't, well, not in like the middle of for it,
like of the state forest that's not like a campground.
And I bring Rob with me. Yeah. True.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
We are friends with a lot of like big guys. Yeah,
we are like like ex football players, Like, yeah, we're
friends with those guys. So I'm fine with them because
like Rob and Jeff and Zack, like they would all
fight some people up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
We're good. We just have to bring our butt.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
So if you're going camping, friends a lot of punks
and take them with you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
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The Sides along the Highway.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
It was as if a wave of people washed over
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Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Wear it in some form or another