August 23, 2025 • 57 mins
One killer is scary. Two? That's a whole new level of terror. Join Rachel and Vicky as they delve into the chilling accounts of two of history's most intriguing criminal pairs.
You can check out the Not Fade Away Podcast here!
Research links below!
The Detective's Notebook - "Serial killer sisters"
Alcatraz East Crime Museum - "The Black Widows of Liverpool"
Murderpedia - "Catherine Flannagan"
H-Net Online - "Sisters in Crime"
Crime Museum - "The Black Widows of Liverpool"
The New York Times - "A Quest for Revenge"
Victorian Paris - "Murder Most Horrible: The Bloody Trunk Case"
Fiction and Film for Scholars of France - "Stranger than Fiction: Steven Levingston on Murder, Mesmerism, and Forensics in Fin-de-siècle Paris"
The Lineup - "A Body and a Bloody Trunk: The Infamous Gouffé Case of 1889"
Brief Case - "The Disturbing & Horrifying Case of Gabrielle Bompard" (YouTube)
You can check out the Not Fade Away Podcast here!
Research links below!
The Detective's Notebook - "Serial killer sisters"
Alcatraz East Crime Museum - "The Black Widows of Liverpool"
Murderpedia - "Catherine Flannagan"
H-Net Online - "Sisters in Crime"
Crime Museum - "The Black Widows of Liverpool"
The New York Times - "A Quest for Revenge"
Victorian Paris - "Murder Most Horrible: The Bloody Trunk Case"
Fiction and Film for Scholars of France - "Stranger than Fiction: Steven Levingston on Murder, Mesmerism, and Forensics in Fin-de-siècle Paris"
The Lineup - "A Body and a Bloody Trunk: The Infamous Gouffé Case of 1889"
Brief Case - "The Disturbing & Horrifying Case of Gabrielle Bompard" (YouTube)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hm, why upon their arrivals unspeakable.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm not doing.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
They did want bother.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It's the living.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
You gotta worry about.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Something.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
If I couldn't keep them there with me whole, at
least I felt that I could keep their skeletons.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hello and welcome to the Bad Taste Crime Podcast. I'm Rachel,
I'm VICKI. How is everybody doing? Are we super good?
Super great?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Love it? Everything that's happening is awesome? So good? Life
is great?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, worldwide, everything's great. I just feel like this. I
love the summer, but the summer comes in. My life
is constantly enough. People like, I'm just like true doing ship.
You're always doing shit, though, Gemini, as you're always doing activities.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I am always doing something. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
See, I'm a Taurus that you can count on me
to be in my living room.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I mean, if I'm not doing something, I'm in my
living room.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah. But then you're like doing hobbies and stuff. Yeah,
but I think that's more like eighty than like being
a Gemini, because I want to watch the television and
actually what I'll do is well, right now, I'm in
a in a video game phase of things, so I'll
play be playing a game on my PlayStation, but then
(01:33):
on my automan, I have the switch with Hulu on
it all close, so I'm watching TV and play I
do that, I'll be watching bobs Burgers and playing a
video game. I have to do both.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
There are certain things, like certain like podcasts that I
listen to that if I try listening to it by itself,
my hands are like confused because I'm not playing SIMS
at the same time. Like doing this podcast always makes
me want to play the SIMS because I listen to
True Crime and play SIMS. Yeah, gotta do two things.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I want that.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I'm also that person that always has to have something on,
like some sort of noise me too. Frankly, Partially that
comes from living alone, Like I just like having you
know what I'm saying, Like I just like having noise on,
so I kind of know what's going on in the house.
But there's also that like I just am immediately turning
something on when I come home.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I can't have a thought enter my head. No, the
thoughts are bad.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I don't want to think about anything.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Literally, I'm just like so so why I watch a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So true It's so fun to like watch people having problems,
but there are not real problems.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, or that.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, that's the thing. Like all of this like vander
Pump rules and shit. I'm like, so what, Like none
of it's serious, so it's like fun to watch. Yeah,
some of it's serious. Well, yeah, there are occasionally very serious.
You can get more in Housewives than in VPR. But
this is not a Bravo podcast. It's fun to not yet,
but we're getting there. Oh God, alright with that, we're
(03:04):
gonna oh wait, if this is your first time listening,
a special hello to you.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
God. Hi.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Let's head over to the newsroom.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Food watching local news.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Dress that tells us today we had fifty.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Three.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So this week our news comes from California, California, where
there is a dispute about a hot dog. Oh no, yeah,
oh no.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
That ended in Murdy. What Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So, sixty two year old Michael Royce was charged actually
back in September of twenty twenty four, with two kounds
of murder with special circumstances in the death of Stephanie Maynard.
Seventy three year old Stephanie Maynard and her husband, seventy
nine year old Danny Maynard. So they were at a
they were living at this place called Olive Dell Ranch
(04:02):
that's a residential RV park and nudist resort. Hello, okay,
what kind of hot dog or were we fighted?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Hello? A hot dog?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Like an a literal hot dog. They were reported missing.
They find later find the couples remains in bags and
a concrete bunker underneath Sparks. During they're having some hearings
about this right now, and one of the detectives testified
saying that another inmate has come forward saying that will incarcerated.
(04:37):
Sparks told him that he admitted, like he had admitted
to this other inmate, that he killed his neighbors, and
that the final straw had to do with them offering
him a hot dog. So apparently there was already this
like tension, tension disputes they were neighbors, so there was
(04:58):
like naked neighbors. Yeah, disputes over some other things that
had happened like months priority just like escalated. I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
But the detective that testified said that Sparks felt like
offering this hot dog was a jab at him, saying
he felt like they offered this to him, and he
felt like he was only worth a dollar hot dog,
like what yeah, and it set him off. He like dog.
(05:28):
He is accused of brutally beating the couple with a rake,
a hoe, a hammer, and drowning the dog in the city. Yeah,
oh my god, yeah yeah, girl, I don't think so. Yeah.
Oh this was okay. So the feud was over a
tree they didn't want to trim, and it was like
(05:50):
a decades long, like okay, yeah yeah yeah, neighbor stuff,
neighbor stuff. So this guy was just fucking So he
hasn't been convicted. He's currently standing. But and it's a
naked but and it's well it was. Now he's in
fully closed court. They don't have nudist court. Wow, why
(06:10):
I would watch the court? Oh my god, I would
watch that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah on TV.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It would be something I like, naked and afraid something
they would do that. Well, yeah, that's true. I'm like,
I'm shaking.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
They would not do that, but naked and afraid they do.
They could just shake.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Him more like a weenie sock and then blur it out.
That's what they do in movies.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Okay, Well that's what's happening in California. We're gonna move
on to Netflix and Kill, which this week is a
maxim kill. We're talking about the Tetris murders. It is
actually an id series on Max but it has to
do with the nineteen ninety eight murder of Tetris co
(06:53):
developer Vladimir Pohilko. Oh yeah, and his wife Fedatova and
their son Peter while they were at home in palad Alto. Wow. Okay,
this is like the people investigating were like, there's something
(07:14):
weird with this, and the investigator felt like something didn't
match up. And then I don't know how much you
know about the history of Tetris nothing, because so basically,
you know it's good for you. It's like really good
for your brain to play it. It like helps stave
off dementia, doesn't it isn't that the theory?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, I mean I could see that. I could see that.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So basically, he let me see if I can get
this all right? Yeah, Russia. He was in Russia at
the time that he developed Tetris, but because of the
government that was impact because it's like one of the
oldest games, right, video games, I should say, so when
they developed Tetris while they were in Russia. At the time,
(08:01):
the government had the opinion that anything created by Russian
citizens belonged to the Russian government, right, and so they
were like, well, it sounded like they had made a
deal I think with Atari. But then Russia was like, well, actually,
this is our ship. And there was this whole kind
of back and forth with them in the Russian government,
And so he left Russia and came to the United
(08:24):
States where he was working as I believe, like a
professor of something super smart, something super smart, like I
don't know, like physics or you know, something like that. Something, yes,
something very stem oriented.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And then they.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Turn up murdered, and they believe that there is this
connection between the Russian government and the murders. Oh my god.
So it's a very but none of this is still
been proven. There were leads to it being the Russian
government well, and there was like efforts made by I
(09:01):
believe the investigating police to work with the FBI, but
there was a lot of aspects to the investigation that
the FBI was sort of stonewalling them and trying to
get information. I was like related to that line of questioning, right, So, like,
none of this has really ever been proven. Yeah, Ki,
but they in this documentary interview, like most of the
(09:23):
investigators involved in this case and kind of the information
that they have since been able to uncover what their
thoughts are on it. Now, some of them have like
never talked about Oh wow, the fact that they all
thought that there was this Russian but like because they're
all working in police departments, like they didn't really like
(09:44):
say it out loud to each other, you know what
I mean, like that kind of thing, and some of
them haven't seen each other in like years. That's cool.
So it was a it's a really interesting case. Yeah,
it's a really you should you should. I think you
would really really enjoy it. It's a three part series.
They're all I think, like forty five minutes two hours,
not super long. Yeah, but it's it's like that's on Max.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
It is on Max.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Oh yeah, it's called The Tetris Murders.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Definitely check it out.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
It's a wild, conspiracy laden story. Wow. I had no
idea about any of that. Yeah, me, neither until I
watched this, But they had me with Tetris, so I
was like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, rushing around Russian.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Around this is that part of the show where you
say content may not be appropriate for all listeners. May
not Oh yeah, no, mine's definitely murder. Yeah, mine's murder.
And then there is a little bit of child murder
as well. Mine's just regular adult murder, regular adult, old
timey murder.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Old timey murder. But what are we talking about today, Rachel?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So we are talking about two for the price of one.
I think what I texted you was gruesome twusome's yes, murders, yes,
committed by a pair, not like our pair, but like
a yea yeah, yeah yeah, not like like two yeah,
not a nanny dose dose, because those who slay together
(11:12):
stay together. Oh my god, now with this pairing, because
I feel like I also was like, so many different
people commit murder, so many different types of people, and
I'm like, that's a dumb thing to say. I mean,
it's an accurate thing to say. It is an accurate statement.
I'll give you that. I'm always interested in duos, like
(11:37):
what what drove them together to do this? And I
think it's extra interesting when there's like a family connection there,
because it's like, do you mean like like a husband, wife, brother, sister, Yes,
like that kind of thing. Okay, yeah, because it's sort
of like, you know, I feel.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Like aunt and uncle.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, sometimes times like or friends come and go. Only
people you can trust is your family.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Sure, you know kind.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Of like that?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
No, No, it's not. You have a sister, I do.
Can you ever see the two of you like ever,
not committing crimes, but like going into like business together,
like doing a business venture? Yeah? Absolutely, I literally wrote no, no, no,
definitely not. We are I love my sister. We're very
(12:28):
different people. We're very different people. Absolutely would never run
a business with my sister. I can competently say that, understand,
And frankly, she would probably say the same.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
She absolutely would say.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
That that business would be the nuts. That's a Bromos
show that I would watch. Yeah, absolutely I would never.
Oh my god, I have a myriad of siblings. And yeah,
I don't think so either. Yeah, I don't think so either.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I'll just do it by.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Myself, honestly, I'll just work for other people. Right, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
No, it sounds so annoying.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
It sounds like so much work.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, and then you come home and you're still at work.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I life actually, well, yes, I live with my little
bosses who shit their pants every day.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
That's true. That's true. I don't even have that.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I come home, I leave the office of four thirty,
and sometimes I just close my computer a fourth thirty
because I already, as you should, and I turn on
the well change what I'm watching, and as you should.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Well.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Catherine Flanagan and Margaret Higgins two Irish sisters.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
They obviously had a little bit of a more business
driven mindset, like, yeah, we're just going to do this together. Okay,
you know, we're just going to do stuff together.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Catherine Flannagan, they don't know the exact date of birth,
but they think she was born in eighteen twenty nine, okay,
and Margaret was born in eighteen forty three.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah. So there's a little bit of an age difference
because I always feel like siblings. Maybe this is just
my assessment, but I always feel like siblings get along
better the closer they are in age. And you know
what's funny is I'm thinking of like a bunch of
like different people I know, and I'm like, oh, they're
close in age, they don't get along at all. Oh
are you that's so weird?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I know.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
So I mean, I guess maybe that's not universal.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Maybe that's not I think it's you know, siblings are
so funny.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, because my sister is six seven years older than
I am. Yeah, I'm six years older than my brother.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, And like I said, we're just we're very different people,
and I think for so much of our lives we
were just at different points in our lives, right, But
it was never like, uh, like yeah, some of our
other friends who have like closer siblings that are right
much but close. Sometimes it's like we're around each other
all the time, and oh, for sure it's so annoying,
(15:02):
you know. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
That's true. I get that. I get that.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
But I feel like sometimes, like, because that's like a
pretty sizable age gap, that's like a fourteen year age gap.
I feel sometimes I feel like if you're so far
removed and you didn't grow up together, then when you're
both adults, you can like be friends. Yeah you know
what I mean, and you don't have all that like
shared childhood trauma maybe right right, yeah, exactly. So in
(15:36):
eighteen eighty, these two sisters, now, let me do a
little little math, so they would have both been eighteen
forty three, eighteen twenty nine. They would have been like
in their thirties, okay, I think right, No, older, a
little older, middle aged.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I am not doing the math. I'm not doing you
do that. That's a mistake, No.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
You do.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
But so they would have been middle aged, and this
is eighteen eighty okay, so close to death right, and
both unmarried. Oh, spinster, I know, Spinster. They decided to
so they were Irish, and they ended up moving to
(16:20):
Liverpool in England.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Now Liverpool around that time and for a lot of
its history has been a pretty impoverished area. A lot
of Liverpool is fairly poor, okay. And their sisters were
always having problems with money, okay, so they were like,
you know what, let's just like start a business. Okay,
We're going to run a rooming house. Okay, so like
(16:44):
a little a little in Yeah. So at five Scurving
Street in Liverpool, they were like, let's set up our
little hotel. Okay, so much fun. So the household was
the two sisters, and then Catherine from a previous relationship,
had a son named John, so he stayed there with
them and two families.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So Thomas Higgins Higgins's daughter Mary, and then the other
family was a man named Patrick Jennings and his daughter Margaret. Okay,
so they're all lodging. They're in the lodgerhouse, they're chilling.
Everything's fine, sure, and then all of a sudden, twenty
(17:29):
two year old John Flanagan, which is Catherine's son, died
suddenly in December. Okay, yeah, just all of a sudden.
Twenty two years old had never been ill or anything,
because you know, back then, you get a cold, you're dead.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Well, and I'm like, twenty two years old means nothing.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Then that's very you know, he got a paper cut
and he passed away in the night, right a stiff
breeze over right, exactly. He ate a pear and that
was just it. And and it says his death did
not raise any particular concern, and the two sisters you know,
in mourning, were able to have some respite because there
(18:12):
were things back then called burial societies. So burial societies
seemed similar to like life insurance. They would you could
register with one of them and then if your family
member died, you could collect the payout. So there would
be several of them within towns, so it was just
(18:34):
sort of this separate thing because they didn't really have
insurance yet. Okay, so it was just this way. It
was like a precursor to life insurance. Correct, Yeah, exactly, gotcha.
But it was just for like death, and you could
go there beforehand and pretty much ensure that you would
get some sort of payout if somebody died.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
And I'm assuming you could probably take this out on
other people, correc because you could do that kind of
thing back then. Correct. So Catherine had had like insured
him with this burial society. So they were able to
collect about seventy one pounds, which by twenty nineteen standards
(19:14):
would have been seven and twenty pounds, quite the differential. Yes,
so she was able to collect some money and then
he was laid to rest and try, you know, you
try to move on.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Sure, Sure.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Eighteen eighty two. Okay, you're all living in this lodge
house together, right, eating steak and kidney pie. Again, Margaret's
ankle comes out, You're like hello. So between Margaret Flanagan
and Thomas Higgins, who was one of the lodgers, Sure,
one of the sisters was kind of like flesh her
little ankles at him and started a relationship and got
(19:52):
married that next year.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Okay, so she got married to one of her lodgers. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Now Thomas had a child from a previous relationship who
was living with them. She was about eight. Her name
was Mary, right, healthy, normal child, Okay. All of a sudden,
within months of the wedding, died after a short illness. Okay,
eight years old, so said. But luckily, once again, they
were obviously very good with paperwork because they had registered
(20:20):
her at a burial society. It doesn't say help man.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And they are just so good at planning a house,
great planning, like he don't even worry about it.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yes, you know, such an unexpected loss. Anyway, I'll take that.
In tens and twenties, okay, yeah, it's all very convenient.
So the little girl dies in January of the next year.
The other child who had been living in the house
by now age nineteen, named Margaret, she dies, okay, and
(20:50):
Catherine goes over to the burial society and collects that
law and gets her bag. So in the neighborhood is
start I was gonna say, is this starting to raise
red flags? That's seeing people in one building are well,
here's the thing. This is eighteen hundreds England. So the
second they saw Irish sisters, they were like, we hate them.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Oh my gosh, they.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Were being horrible. Yeah well yeah, and they were apparently
like not super well liked in town. So I feel like,
and again they did this shit right, this is the
murder podcast. They deserve it. But it's like I think
that people were probably watching them from the beginning becase
what the fuck's going on over there? Used to prove
them right, yeah, stinky, oh gosh.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
So instead of being like, guys, come on, you know us,
it's fine, we didn't do it, they were like, we're
actually just moving. So they moved their household to a
couple uh streets away, and then they moved again, okay,
just like moving away from the gossip. Then Higgins, the husband,
(21:59):
just later that year, became another member of the household
to fall mysteriously ill.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
He was like, I'm not going like the rest of
these hoes. Called the doctor. Sure, So the doctor, a
doctor named doctor Whitford, was called and he was like, dude,
you're obviously drinking cheap whiskey because you're in this like
Irish house. You have tummy paines because you drank so
much whiskey. So here's some opium and some castor oil.
(22:29):
You're gonna be fine. You're gonna be pooping. Just haven't
just take opium.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, well cast oil makes you violently pooh. Yeah, So
I'm sure he's like, get all that whiskey out of
your stomach and then here's opium so you won't mind
as you like, So you don't mind it. And then
after two days he died.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Okay, he shit too much.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
So and that's what they said. So when they called
back and were like, well, we need a death certificate
for this guy because he died, he was like, yeah,
I think that he probably died of dysentery. WHOA right,
I love that from what But so the doctor was like, yep, stamp,
he let me go on with my day.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Higgins had a brother named Patrick, who was like my
healthy brother, Thomas, Yeah I disagree, okay.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
So, like he was.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Very strong and in good health. So he started calling.
He was trying to get like the death certificate, so
not sure who to call, he called one of these
burial societies. He's like, hey, what's up and they're like, ayah,
here's this information. Oh you might also want to call
this other burial society just to check. So he's like, yeah,
let me call around, and turned out his brother had
(23:37):
been registered with five Oh my gosh, different burial societies.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
That doesn't that seems excessive?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, which left them he got They got like all
together like one hundred pounds wow, so quite a bit
of money. Yeah. So he was like, that's not common,
and that was not common, Like, he was obviously illegal,
but it's not like they had system was in place
to prevent it, right, Nor did they have I'm sure
a system in place to like check with other No,
(24:06):
you know, obviously check with the other societies, right right,
which you would because why would they, right, you know,
they can't call them. That's a long way down the road.
The ropes aren't paved. And frankly, that was rival business.
So like, yeah, why would I true? Yeah yeah, and
it was it was that was not a common thing.
You would only do one crazy, so they had fives.
(24:28):
They were like doctors processive. So he was like, okay,
let's let's look at his body. Let's do a little examination.
So the corner there they have him at the house.
They have the body, and the sisters are like, you know, oh,
oh no, what's going on? So sad, we don't know
what's happening. But then when the police came and they
(24:50):
were like, yeah, we're here to do the full autopsy,
Catherine was like, oh my god, crazy. They go upstairs
really quick upstairs, and she jumped out of know and
fled the home. Thought full funeral attires, Oh my god,
what okay, She's like a.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Piece jumped out a window, which is what innocent people do.
Definitely in her.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Love that for her.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
God. So guess what they found in his organs? Do
you want to guess poison?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
You do?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
You have like a type of poison? You think maybe
opium arsenic? Oh yeah that kills yeh okay to do it?
Chock full stuff full of arsenal Oh my gosh, indicating
the poisoning had taken place over several days. They were
looking around because they're like, where did this come from?
(25:40):
And they found a little bottle full of white powder,
which is how arsenic is taken most of the time,
that was marked to be belonged to Margaret.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Put your name on the poison. That's fine.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It said it had a market pocket, so like it
was in her purse, like on her person. Oh, I see,
I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I was like, Wow, that's really smart.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Your name.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Says market pocket, and I was like marked, Oh, no,
market pocket.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I just can't.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
That's really what the problem. I'm gonna start marking all
of my poisons with my first and last name, and
I don't want to lose them, just in case I
lose that. That's just plain common sense.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Good.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
So they found that bottle on her and she was
immediately arrested. Her sister, Catherine, who had jumped ship and
was fucking running away, was just staying at different boarding
houses in the town. So eventually they just were like
they just went to one of them and were like,
come to fucking jail. Yeah, don't be running away. I'm
surprised she wouldn't have gotten like turned in right away.
(26:51):
I'm surprised to like, especially considering the neighborhood was right
that it was unpopular. I wonder if maybe maybe she
was like, oh, I'm British, I'm not Irish at all.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
You Americans don't know the difference.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, really Yeah, So they were like, okay, let's exhume
everybody else. Since this guy was arsenic poisoned, how many
of the other these other people probably wouldn't have been
too late either, because it wasn't They were like back
to back to back to back to back that it
was all within like one or two years. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
So.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
The bodies of Mary Higgins, Margaret Jennings, and John Flanagan
all showed evidence. So the way they check for arsenic
a lot is kind of similar to what you said.
It won't decompose as much. So when they dug them
up and they were like bright and shiny, they're like.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Oh yeah, still perfectly preserved, and then they.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Cut him open. Arsenic damn.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
But they knew.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Right away as soon as they saw the bodies. They
were like, yep, oh, Dan, that's what arsenic does.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Well, so they were trying to figure out like how
they got this poison right, Like, I wasn't sure if
maybe it was like, uh, you know, you just go
to the apothecarriage, That's what I would do arsenic. Like
I was like, maybe it's like like animal poison, but
it wasn't the same kind of arsenic. So they were
still trying to figure out like where did this arsenic
come from? And fly paper at the time super common
(28:13):
in the area. It's a it's a Liverpool's a seaport,
so there's like mad flies all over the place. The
fly paper that they would have contained arsenic, And it
was discovered if you soak that fly paper in water,
then you can like it extract the earth. So they
(28:35):
like went through stuff poison these guys.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
So it's like, girl, how did you know that?
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Because I think you could?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
They would't wuldn't they sell arsenic is like rat poison,
So that's what they thought, but it was it's a
different type of arsenic.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Gotcha, okay, because I'm just make sure I'm not making that.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
No, no, no, no, no, no, one's not crazy. It's how
did they figure out that you could just soak fly paper?
Right right? And it says you could get it at
a chemist twitch is like a pharmacy, but you would
have to be like a doctor. It's like doctor grade,
Like did they steal it? Like did they do that?
And then they found like that they had been soaking
(29:10):
flypaper and were like, oh, they're making the poison. Wild oh.
At the time of the arrest too. This is just
kind of like a little like sprinkle on top. Catherine
claimed to her lawyer that they had murdered more people,
oh like seven, like before they opened the boarding house.
(29:34):
They had been doing burial society fraud for a really
long time, and she was like, hey, I have a
list of names because we got a bunch of other
broads doing it with us, like a ring, like a
burial society ring, yes, fraud ring. Allegedly, damn allegedly. So
(29:55):
it was all the group. The alleged group contain and
like people who would do the poison, people who would
obtain the poison, people who worked at the burial society,
people who were like up in the government kind of.
So they were like calling these women in and trying
to figure out if it were true or not that
(30:18):
this whole thing, which I find very fascinating, is still
just a conspiracy. They ever were able to prove it,
And you think that you would, you would be able
to by going through burial society records at least or
something like here's one. There was a woman named missus Evans,
(30:38):
and they said that she was one of the poisoners,
and she had had several times in her life, like
where people had died and it was very unusual, Like
she had boarded a teenager who was like mentally handicapped
but healthy physically, and he had died and people were like, hm,
how did he?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
But they weren't able to prove it.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
They weren't able to prove it. Interesting in the papers,
they kind of were like, Oh, this is just like
a big, like crazy conspiracy.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Crazy. Yeah, I mean I could see it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
So they the trial like barely focuses on that. They
really just focus on the two women. They're like, whatever,
shit's all whatever, well fair, Yeah, they can't prove it,
but it's it's creepy. There's like a whole thing. I'll
link in the show notes. There's a documentary about the
conspiracy that's really fascinating. But I will talk for fifty years,
so I'll just let you guys watch the documentary and
people more good with words than me can tell you
(31:31):
about it.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
More good. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
So she was like during trial, Catherine was like, no,
I'll tell you about all of these other poisoning hose
for lateiency, and they were like, sit back down. Yeah,
you literally do not want to hear it. Oh my god,
they were both found guilty. Good again, it's like eighteen hundred,
so there wasn't as much like found guilty of which ones.
They were just found generally guilty and sentenced to be hanged,
(31:56):
which they both were. On the third of March in
eighteen eighty four. Wow, nearly a thousand people came up
to witness the deaths. Wow, full house full for the
whull out execution. Popcorn, all kinds of stuff. So this case,
(32:17):
especially because of like all the conspiracy and spookiness surrounding it,
has been featured on a lot of different things you
know that showed deadly women.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, I love this. It's an idea.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, so dramatic. I love it so much. So it's
been on that And at the time it was this huge,
like sensational murder trial in the eighteen hundreds, so much
so that the two sisters were for over one hundred
years immortalized at Madame Tussaude's wax museum. Ah, wax effigies
(32:47):
of themselves. They were alive to see it. But yeah,
and they're not there now anymore, like the the wax figures. No, damn, yeah,
not there all shit. Yep, those were the black Widows
of Liverpool. Wow, yep, wow, So I was kind of
(33:20):
excited about this. Yeah, duels are just one of those
things that's like, honestly, it's a double edged sword, right,
because it's easier to commit a crime with the help
of somebody else. But also there's a reason for that
saying that's like two people can keep a secret if
one of them is dead, absolutely right, Like it's all liability,
it is, it's going to talk. Is that person gonna
(33:42):
mess up?
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Right? Right? So I, frankly there's a lot to choose from.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Absolutely, But for this story, one which I was not
familiar with until I started researching for the episode, run
all the way back to the nineteenth century. Yet again,
oh my god, we both hundreds in the US at
that At this point in time, we were seeing the
end of reconstruction, is the rise of the Gilded Age.
(34:11):
We're marching quickly towards the Spanish American War, And simultaneously
I didn't realize these things were happening at the same time,
but there's like the Spanish American War and simultaneously, right
in the middle of that is the Klondike Gold Rush, Like, yeah,
also happening. It's kind of funny. The American West, like
Cowboy era, tends to just kind of like go into everything. Yeah,
(34:33):
Like it's like all these historical events are happening, and
they were also sometimes you don't realize that all of
this stuff is overlapping right all at the same time.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yes, So it was just in the US, but in
Europe they were seeing their own like changes, and specifically
France had a lot going on. They were just coming
off the Franco Prussian War, sparked the end of the
Second Empire and the start of the Third Republic YEP,
(35:01):
which was a whole thing. Industrial industrialization was starting to
take hold in France. Also, the political and social divisions
were like completely magnified at that point in time. And
this is the setting that we find ourselves in for
the story of the goof Case. What now I'm gonna say.
(35:25):
We are in France, and I love French, like the language.
I wanted to learn how to speak it's so bad,
but I do not know how to. I want to
apologize in advance. Stay patient with us French. Yes, there's
there's a lot of phonetic pronunciation in the In my note,
Wrench is hard. Yeah, it's really hard.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
It is. It is okay, So I believe in you.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Our story begins in August eighteen eighty nine when a
man named Dennis Coffee, who had been working on a
minor road like not as opposed to a major as
opposed to a major road in the suburb of Lion.
He was noticing that there was this like bad smell
(36:09):
in the air, and so he reports it to authorities
and they come out to investigate. What they discovered was
a large oil skin bag hidden under a bush, and
inside they found a partially decomposed body who they could
not immediately identify. Oh my gosh, how awful. Police transported
(36:34):
the body to a forensic surgeon, Paul Bernard, so he
could perform an autopsy. Now, forensics like as a practice
was so new, absolutely like there were very few people
who did it professionally. It was not the most widely
(36:55):
accepted practice. I'm sure it was super slow to be embraced.
The Actually, the first forensic science lab wouldn't open until
nineteen ten, So you're talking there's still another ten years
before even the first official lab is open at this point.
This is ten years earlier.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Wow, so super new.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Practice, but his examination showed the unidentified person had been
bound with seven meters of rope, the head had been
covered by a black oilskin cloth, and the person had
been dead for approximately three to five weeks. Wow. Yeah, which,
frankly I'm gonna say is basic information, right, but like
(37:38):
even getting some sort of time that's like amazing approximation
that time period. I'm like so impressed. He was also
able to tell that the cause of death was strangulation, Okay,
which is very important. Yeah. A second, so they do
this first autopsy, they bury him, but they still don't
really have any evidence. They're trying to figure out what's
(37:59):
going on. Like two or three months later, a second
forensic surgeon, forensic guy Alexander Lekaze love it wait wait Laka.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Sang maybe Laka Sang.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I'm not sure, but he was like, let's exhume the
body and he does a second, more extensive autopsy. This
was in November eighteen eighty nine. So he was able
to take a hair sample, which back then was an
incredibly dowent practice now is a very questionable practice unless
(38:38):
it falls under very specific parameters. He was able to
take that hair sample and compare it to a missing
person's case. He also during his autopsy found evidence of
a prior back injury, and so he took these findings
compared them to missing persons reports, and they were able
(38:58):
to determine that the deceased was to Saint Augustine Goof.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, I'm amazed they were able to do all that
because like the missing person's description made reference to this
back injury. Oh my god. Yeah, that's crazy. And they
did like a hair sample comparison to the missing man.
It was a match. Goof was a forty nine year
old court bailiff and widower who had two daughters. But
(39:30):
he was also described as like a womanizer. Okay, yeah,
which we'll talk about it in a second. He's well,
he is French, right right, So obviously he did not
put himself in that oil sack oilskin sack.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
So how did he get there?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Good question?
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (39:53):
To answer that, we will have to go back a
bit and meet a woman named Gabrielle Bompard. Bombar grew
up in northern France and honestly, like this poor girl
had such a bad go of it in the beginning.
She was her mother had died when she was young
(40:13):
and her father had this living mistress who was I
get the impression, not really a fan of having a
kid around, right, right, So her father shipped her off
to various like boarding schools, convents, but she would every
(40:34):
time get kicked out for bad behavior. Oh I love her,
And at some point Bompar's father was able to convince
authorities to send her to a women's correctional institution, where
she stayed until she was twenty. Oh my god, thanks dad, Yeah,
she's They're like, can you please take my unruly daughter
(40:56):
into It was very like Scared Straight program for really
you know what I mean? The host could not handle her.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
No, they were dude. No.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
So when she was released, she decided to head to
Paris with just a little money and hopes and dreams.
I'm going to go to Grandperry we wee. But she
ended up in this sort of like ceed part of town,
oh dear, where she met a man named Michael Eru.
Now Eru was in his fifties and married, but he
(41:31):
sort of has his like his own trouble past. He
spent some time in the Army before deserting and hiding
out in America. He just hung out in the US
for a little while, but then France. There was some
point where France was like, we will grant amnesty to
any deserting soldiers, I think, and so he took the
(41:52):
opportunity to then return to France. Me so he goes,
he goes, he goes back to France, and I think
it was at that point that he got married. Maybe
I'm not okay, he was married. Eru also has during
his time in France. He's got this business that is
(42:14):
like going south, going horribly, and he was in need
of money to solve his own potential fraud issue.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Great.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Oh, he sounds like a real winterer Gambrill.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
It was like if I don't pay this money into
this account or whatever, like my fraud will be discovered
type of thing. Yeah, I love it. Yes, everything goes
great with him.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Uh, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
What, it takes a turn. It takes a turn. So
when Bombard met Eru, the two hit it off and
she becomes his mistress, Gabrielle. Yeah, so this is from
Victorian Paris quote. In his fifties and no longer handsome,
Eru proudly displayed his you full paramour in Boulevard cafe.
(43:02):
I'm sure he did. He was just like my hot
new babe going around town. He was in his fifties,
she was in her twenties. Like girl, m bright eyed
and bushy tailed. Oh my god, Perry, but save you.
Little did she know vampire was crucial, crucial to his
plan to solve all of his money troubles. Ooh, his plan,
(43:26):
this girl, when I tell you, Oh my god. They
took a very simple thing and made it the most
fucking complicated.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
God, why this plan? This plan? Okay?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
So his plan was to have Vompire use her feminine
wild of course, to lure a rich man to an
apartment that they had rented, where they would murder and
rob him. Oh great, okay, simple plan, right, very spanned. Yeah, yes,
but I mean it's not the most complicated, Like, oh
it's not, okay, Well, it became so much more complicated
(44:04):
in its execution. First, the pair went to London, where
they purchased a trunk large enough to hold a full
sized human man. They then purchased the oil skin that
they would fashion into like a body bag.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
They also picked up rope, pulley, a pulley, and a
silk cord that they made into a noose. They're so dumb.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Do you know where this is going?
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yes, So the apartment had this like alcove where they
hung a curtain rod so that Eru could sit behind it. Yeah,
and then he installed the pulley on one of the
cross beams. Okay in the apartment, he would sip. They
(44:52):
wanted to lure the man in, and he's gonna sit
there like an invisible little cook, Yeah, waiting for Bompard
to put this new goose around so he can then
like yank it. Yeah, the pulley and finished the job.
Did not did not have to be that complicated, No,
it really didn't didn't. And frankly, when you're looking, you
(45:12):
will see in some of the notes they have like uh,
illustrations of the crime that they used in like court
and right like it's like illustrations of like how it
was done, and it is the wildest looking shit. God, Yeah,
they are dumb, I know. So already Bombar had a
(45:33):
man showing interest in her. It was one Tucsaint Augustine
goof man like I said, he himself had a reputation
for spending many a night in many a different bed.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Okay, like he was. It really was they.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
I don't remember what the number was, but it was
like yo French, Yeah, teen hunters France. Even like it
was a lot, it was a lot of people. Well,
so when Bompard went to him and was like, do
you want to come to my apartment for this romantic evening,
he was like, AB's a fucking little say less, say less,
(46:16):
let's go. So he goes to the apartment. Apartment Bombard
was wearing a dressing gown that had this silk cord
on it, and the idea was that she'd set him
down in this specific chair and like seductively, playfully, like
put this cord around this neck. I don't know, I
(46:37):
don't know, I don't know. That's so stupid. But when
it came time to execute the plan, Bombard kind of
like froze. So Eru jumped out. He takes over, He
pulls the rope that's attached to the pulley, but the
pulley breaks under the weight. Oh falls off the ceiling.
So he jumps out of behind the curtain to surprise, surprise,
(47:02):
it's me.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
It's me.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
So he jumps out and strangles him. Okay with his
bare hands. Okay, because they were like, they needed to
finish the job. Now now they're in right, So he
jumps out strangles him. Once he was dead, the couple
put the body into the oil skin bag and then
into the trunk, which stayed with Bompard overnight while Eru
(47:28):
went to his Oh god, the poor thing home to
his wife. Oh you forgot about that.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah, he's married.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
So he goes home to his wife and is like,
you sleep with the dead body in the trunk? This
poor girl, girl, you need a friend. The following day,
they hired a driver to transport the trunk to Lions,
where they rented another car to take the trunk to
a remote area. When there they emptied the trunk. They
(47:56):
like dumped the body out, pushed it down the steep
embankment where it would later be found. The trunk they
took and they dispose of it further down the road
to try to split up this stuff. Eru and Bombard
then fled to start their new life together. The two,
posing as ebe Vyneyard, a wealthy businessman, and his daughter Bertha,
(48:22):
landed in Canada, where they made their way south to
San Francisco. Oh my, they're the dumbest people. All of
these decisions are dumb well, and apparently the first aliases
they took one he made her cut off all of
her hair so she would look like a little boy
and would pose as his son. But then I think
(48:45):
it was like somebody had almost immediately noticed that she
was a woman, and they're like, oh, well, we better
go with the daughter. Why dude, Like, you're gonna be
weird anyway, because you're a weird old man. You're probably
gonna grab her tit and someone's gonna be like and
not your daughter? And oh did I say France?
Speaker 3 (49:03):
This is fun.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
So so back in France, Goof's body is discovered, talked
about at the top of the show, Uh the Weird
Smells reported, The police come in and investigate, it gets
taken in for examination. Two days after they find Goof's body,
the authorities found the trunk okay after it had been
(49:31):
reported by passing snail trader.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
What very fron.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
They get there, they pick up the trunk and they're like, God, damn,
this thing smells like rotting corpse. Guess we know what
this is for. It was just a little stinky cheese,
And they also noticed that there was a tag in
the trunk that told investigators that it had been transported
to Lions via rail. Dumb.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
So they go to the railway company.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
These people do not watch Dayline who the people in
the story? Oh yeah, definitely not, because I have not
been in bed let alone television.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
They go to the.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Railway company and they confirm that the dates that it
was transported coincided with Goose's disappearance. Oh. Further investigation into
Goose's day to day contacts led them to Aerou and Bombard,
and an interval uh notice was sent out like right away,
(50:33):
uh huh. After spending some time in the US. Bombard
is like, I am fucking tired of this guy. Yeah,
she there were reports that she had like fallen in
love with somebody else. Leaves Errou and is like, well,
I'm going to go back to France and turn myself in.
I'm going to be I'm gonna be the first one back, okay, girl,
(50:54):
saying that she too had been a victim of Aeru. Well,
I mean kind of. Meanwhile, Eru was catching word that
the French authorities were catching up because she went back
and is like oh yeah, he's yeah in the US,
Like here, here's where he's at. Right, So he leaves
the US, right, well, hold on, save that, save that
(51:17):
judgment saved.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
He leaves the US.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
He goes down to Cuba, hoping to hide out for
a little bit longer. But when he arrived, he was
met in Havana by police and was immediately arrested and
sent back to France. Love it. Both Eru and Bompard
were now in custody. Okay, but how could they possibly
defend these charges? Any any thoughts? What kind of defense
(51:42):
we're gonna get? Oh my god, I have one word
for you. Tell me hypnosis. What that wasn't the word
I was thinking of? Which is hilarious to me because
this is also a time where these sort of like
hypnosis practices, you know, that kind of of woo who
kind of stuff is being more embraced, especially by we're
(52:06):
just coming into the spiritualist movement. I feel yeah, yeah,
so she interested bomb part is like I was under
hypnosis entire talking up girl, I was an involuntary participant
in the murder. Had hypnotized me into that's funny, trying
to murder this man and take his money. Yeah, I
(52:28):
don't even know what I was doing.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Apartment. What apartment?
Speaker 2 (52:31):
I don't even remember this. Yeah, she was like, I
I was hypnotized.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Yeah, so there's that. Er was like, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Actually, she convinced me with her feminine wiles to make
me her lap dog.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, she was pulling the strings the whole time. You
didn't say he was hypnotized. But he's like, look at her,
she's so beautiful. Well, she's like this four to eight slender,
pretty young woman. There was also in one of the
articles that I was reading, they talk about how this
trial became such a sensation because the press was reporting
(53:17):
on what she was wearing a court every day. She
was getting like basically like sponsorships from fancy dress anas,
and it became this thing where like the it became
like the met gala for the fucking press showing up
in different outfits to the trial and how crazy like
insane and so, you know, it's honestly, it's hard to
(53:46):
believe or hard to decide what the jury might believe
in this case, right, because there's so much going on there. Well,
and both defenses are like as equally outlandish as they
would have been accepted at that time. True, you know
what I'm saying yeah, like, I'm sure there were probably
people in the jury who were like, I mean this
(54:08):
hypnosis thing, like, I think that's pretty legitimate, And there
were probably people in the jury were like, I mean,
you know how easily men can be swayed by women
to like you know what I mean, Like, yeah, totally, totally.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
It's hard to be like, well, what was jury? Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Well, honestly, I think largely in part because she is,
like I said this four to eight petite qt petuni women,
and that there was some belief in hypnosis at that time.
Bombard received a sentence of twenty years hard labor.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
In total, she served twelve years before being released in
nineteen oh five. Wow, she went out. Eru got quite
a different treatment, receiving a death sentence and being publicly
gee teened in February eighteen ninety one. Wow, yep, oh
(55:06):
my god, yeah, off of his head. Yes, I'm also like,
it's France, so of course the death penalty is guillotine. Like, yeah,
so that is the story of the Goose and my
dynamic duo. Shall we say, what a couple of assholes? Yeah, dude,
it insane, insane. Also, those defenses get me every time. Yeah, hypnosis, hypnosis,
(55:31):
and we're being flirting, super sexy. Yeah, using her titties
to lure him into sin. I mean I've done it.
Who has a lead men into sin? Me?
Speaker 3 (55:43):
No, liar, it's true. It's true. Well, before you decide
to pair up to do crime.
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It has.
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Do you have any final thoughts before we finish up?
Speaker 2 (56:43):
Rachel, I support women's wrongs. You have said that before.
I support women's rights, but also women's wrongs. I need
that tattooed.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
You do.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
I believe it, you really do. I really do well.
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(57:18):
along the highway. It was as if a wave that
people washed over with town. We're wearing some form or another.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
Wow, like damn.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
Sometimes I saw like Ala Wilson, Wow Wow.
Speaker 3 (57:48):
I can't
Hm, why upon their arrivals unspeakable.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm not doing.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
They did want bother.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It's the living.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
You gotta worry about.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Something.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
If I couldn't keep them there with me whole, at
least I felt that I could keep their skeletons.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hello and welcome to the Bad Taste Crime Podcast. I'm Rachel,
I'm VICKI. How is everybody doing? Are we super good?
Super great?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Love it? Everything that's happening is awesome? So good? Life
is great?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, worldwide, everything's great. I just feel like this. I
love the summer, but the summer comes in. My life
is constantly enough. People like, I'm just like true doing ship.
You're always doing shit, though, Gemini, as you're always doing activities.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I am always doing something. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
See, I'm a Taurus that you can count on me
to be in my living room.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I mean, if I'm not doing something, I'm in my
living room.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah. But then you're like doing hobbies and stuff. Yeah,
but I think that's more like eighty than like being
a Gemini, because I want to watch the television and
actually what I'll do is well, right now, I'm in
a in a video game phase of things, so I'll
play be playing a game on my PlayStation, but then
(01:33):
on my automan, I have the switch with Hulu on
it all close, so I'm watching TV and play I
do that, I'll be watching bobs Burgers and playing a
video game. I have to do both.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
There are certain things, like certain like podcasts that I
listen to that if I try listening to it by itself,
my hands are like confused because I'm not playing SIMS
at the same time. Like doing this podcast always makes
me want to play the SIMS because I listen to
True Crime and play SIMS. Yeah, gotta do two things.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I want that.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I'm also that person that always has to have something on,
like some sort of noise me too. Frankly, Partially that
comes from living alone, Like I just like having you
know what I'm saying, Like I just like having noise on,
so I kind of know what's going on in the house.
But there's also that like I just am immediately turning
something on when I come home.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I can't have a thought enter my head. No, the
thoughts are bad.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I don't want to think about anything.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Literally, I'm just like so so why I watch a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So true It's so fun to like watch people having problems,
but there are not real problems.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, or that.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, that's the thing. Like all of this like vander
Pump rules and shit. I'm like, so what, Like none
of it's serious, so it's like fun to watch. Yeah,
some of it's serious. Well, yeah, there are occasionally very serious.
You can get more in Housewives than in VPR. But
this is not a Bravo podcast. It's fun to not yet,
but we're getting there. Oh God, alright with that, we're
(03:04):
gonna oh wait, if this is your first time listening,
a special hello to you.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
God. Hi.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Let's head over to the newsroom.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Food watching local news.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Dress that tells us today we had fifty.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Three.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So this week our news comes from California, California, where
there is a dispute about a hot dog. Oh no, yeah,
oh no.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
That ended in Murdy. What Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So, sixty two year old Michael Royce was charged actually
back in September of twenty twenty four, with two kounds
of murder with special circumstances in the death of Stephanie Maynard.
Seventy three year old Stephanie Maynard and her husband, seventy
nine year old Danny Maynard. So they were at a
they were living at this place called Olive Dell Ranch
(04:02):
that's a residential RV park and nudist resort. Hello, okay,
what kind of hot dog or were we fighted?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Hello? A hot dog?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Like an a literal hot dog. They were reported missing.
They find later find the couples remains in bags and
a concrete bunker underneath Sparks. During they're having some hearings
about this right now, and one of the detectives testified
saying that another inmate has come forward saying that will incarcerated.
(04:37):
Sparks told him that he admitted, like he had admitted
to this other inmate, that he killed his neighbors, and
that the final straw had to do with them offering
him a hot dog. So apparently there was already this
like tension, tension disputes they were neighbors, so there was
(04:58):
like naked neighbors. Yeah, disputes over some other things that
had happened like months priority just like escalated. I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
But the detective that testified said that Sparks felt like
offering this hot dog was a jab at him, saying
he felt like they offered this to him, and he
felt like he was only worth a dollar hot dog,
like what yeah, and it set him off. He like dog.
(05:28):
He is accused of brutally beating the couple with a rake,
a hoe, a hammer, and drowning the dog in the city. Yeah,
oh my god, yeah yeah, girl, I don't think so. Yeah.
Oh this was okay. So the feud was over a
tree they didn't want to trim, and it was like
(05:50):
a decades long, like okay, yeah yeah yeah, neighbor stuff,
neighbor stuff. So this guy was just fucking So he
hasn't been convicted. He's currently standing. But and it's a
naked but and it's well it was. Now he's in
fully closed court. They don't have nudist court. Wow, why
(06:10):
I would watch the court? Oh my god, I would
watch that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah on TV.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It would be something I like, naked and afraid something
they would do that. Well, yeah, that's true. I'm like,
I'm shaking.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
They would not do that, but naked and afraid they do.
They could just shake.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Him more like a weenie sock and then blur it out.
That's what they do in movies.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Okay, Well that's what's happening in California. We're gonna move
on to Netflix and Kill, which this week is a
maxim kill. We're talking about the Tetris murders. It is
actually an id series on Max but it has to
do with the nineteen ninety eight murder of Tetris co
(06:53):
developer Vladimir Pohilko. Oh yeah, and his wife Fedatova and
their son Peter while they were at home in palad Alto. Wow. Okay,
this is like the people investigating were like, there's something
(07:14):
weird with this, and the investigator felt like something didn't
match up. And then I don't know how much you
know about the history of Tetris nothing, because so basically,
you know it's good for you. It's like really good
for your brain to play it. It like helps stave
off dementia, doesn't it isn't that the theory?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, I mean I could see that. I could see that.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So basically, he let me see if I can get
this all right? Yeah, Russia. He was in Russia at
the time that he developed Tetris, but because of the
government that was impact because it's like one of the
oldest games, right, video games, I should say, so when
they developed Tetris while they were in Russia. At the time,
(08:01):
the government had the opinion that anything created by Russian
citizens belonged to the Russian government, right, and so they
were like, well, it sounded like they had made a
deal I think with Atari. But then Russia was like, well, actually,
this is our ship. And there was this whole kind
of back and forth with them in the Russian government,
And so he left Russia and came to the United
(08:24):
States where he was working as I believe, like a
professor of something super smart, something super smart, like I
don't know, like physics or you know, something like that. Something, yes,
something very stem oriented.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And then they.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Turn up murdered, and they believe that there is this
connection between the Russian government and the murders. Oh my god.
So it's a very but none of this is still
been proven. There were leads to it being the Russian
government well, and there was like efforts made by I
(09:01):
believe the investigating police to work with the FBI, but
there was a lot of aspects to the investigation that
the FBI was sort of stonewalling them and trying to
get information. I was like related to that line of questioning, right, So, like,
none of this has really ever been proven. Yeah, Ki,
but they in this documentary interview, like most of the
(09:23):
investigators involved in this case and kind of the information
that they have since been able to uncover what their
thoughts are on it. Now, some of them have like
never talked about Oh wow, the fact that they all
thought that there was this Russian but like because they're
all working in police departments, like they didn't really like
(09:44):
say it out loud to each other, you know what
I mean, like that kind of thing, and some of
them haven't seen each other in like years. That's cool.
So it was a it's a really interesting case. Yeah,
it's a really you should you should. I think you
would really really enjoy it. It's a three part series.
They're all I think, like forty five minutes two hours,
not super long. Yeah, but it's it's like that's on Max.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
It is on Max.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Oh yeah, it's called The Tetris Murders.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Definitely check it out.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
It's a wild, conspiracy laden story. Wow. I had no
idea about any of that. Yeah, me, neither until I
watched this, But they had me with Tetris, so I
was like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, rushing around Russian.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Around this is that part of the show where you
say content may not be appropriate for all listeners. May
not Oh yeah, no, mine's definitely murder. Yeah, mine's murder.
And then there is a little bit of child murder
as well. Mine's just regular adult murder, regular adult, old
timey murder.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Old timey murder. But what are we talking about today, Rachel?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So we are talking about two for the price of one.
I think what I texted you was gruesome twusome's yes, murders, yes,
committed by a pair, not like our pair, but like
a yea yeah, yeah yeah, not like like two yeah,
not a nanny dose dose, because those who slay together
(11:12):
stay together. Oh my god, now with this pairing, because
I feel like I also was like, so many different
people commit murder, so many different types of people, and
I'm like, that's a dumb thing to say. I mean,
it's an accurate thing to say. It is an accurate statement.
I'll give you that. I'm always interested in duos, like
(11:37):
what what drove them together to do this? And I
think it's extra interesting when there's like a family connection there,
because it's like, do you mean like like a husband, wife, brother, sister, Yes,
like that kind of thing. Okay, yeah, because it's sort
of like, you know, I feel.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Like aunt and uncle.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, sometimes times like or friends come and go. Only
people you can trust is your family.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Sure, you know kind.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Of like that?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
No, No, it's not. You have a sister, I do.
Can you ever see the two of you like ever,
not committing crimes, but like going into like business together,
like doing a business venture? Yeah? Absolutely, I literally wrote no, no, no,
definitely not. We are I love my sister. We're very
(12:28):
different people. We're very different people. Absolutely would never run
a business with my sister. I can competently say that, understand,
And frankly, she would probably say the same.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
She absolutely would say.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
That that business would be the nuts. That's a Bromos
show that I would watch. Yeah, absolutely I would never.
Oh my god, I have a myriad of siblings. And yeah,
I don't think so either. Yeah, I don't think so either.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I'll just do it by.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Myself, honestly, I'll just work for other people. Right, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
No, it sounds so annoying.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
It sounds like so much work.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, and then you come home and you're still at work.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I life actually, well, yes, I live with my little
bosses who shit their pants every day.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
That's true. That's true. I don't even have that.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I come home, I leave the office of four thirty,
and sometimes I just close my computer a fourth thirty
because I already, as you should, and I turn on
the well change what I'm watching, and as you should.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Well.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Catherine Flanagan and Margaret Higgins two Irish sisters.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
They obviously had a little bit of a more business
driven mindset, like, yeah, we're just going to do this together. Okay,
you know, we're just going to do stuff together.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Catherine Flannagan, they don't know the exact date of birth,
but they think she was born in eighteen twenty nine, okay,
and Margaret was born in eighteen forty three.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah. So there's a little bit of an age difference
because I always feel like siblings. Maybe this is just
my assessment, but I always feel like siblings get along
better the closer they are in age. And you know
what's funny is I'm thinking of like a bunch of
like different people I know, and I'm like, oh, they're
close in age, they don't get along at all. Oh
are you that's so weird?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I know.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
So I mean, I guess maybe that's not universal.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Maybe that's not I think it's you know, siblings are
so funny.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, because my sister is six seven years older than
I am. Yeah, I'm six years older than my brother.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, And like I said, we're just we're very different people,
and I think for so much of our lives we
were just at different points in our lives, right, But
it was never like, uh, like yeah, some of our
other friends who have like closer siblings that are right
much but close. Sometimes it's like we're around each other
all the time, and oh, for sure it's so annoying,
(15:02):
you know. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
That's true. I get that. I get that.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
But I feel like sometimes, like, because that's like a
pretty sizable age gap, that's like a fourteen year age gap.
I feel sometimes I feel like if you're so far
removed and you didn't grow up together, then when you're
both adults, you can like be friends. Yeah you know
what I mean, and you don't have all that like
shared childhood trauma maybe right right, yeah, exactly. So in
(15:36):
eighteen eighty, these two sisters, now, let me do a
little little math, so they would have both been eighteen
forty three, eighteen twenty nine. They would have been like
in their thirties, okay, I think right, No, older, a
little older, middle aged.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I am not doing the math. I'm not doing you
do that. That's a mistake, No.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
You do.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
But so they would have been middle aged, and this
is eighteen eighty okay, so close to death right, and
both unmarried. Oh, spinster, I know, Spinster. They decided to
so they were Irish, and they ended up moving to
(16:20):
Liverpool in England.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Now Liverpool around that time and for a lot of
its history has been a pretty impoverished area. A lot
of Liverpool is fairly poor, okay. And their sisters were
always having problems with money, okay, so they were like,
you know what, let's just like start a business. Okay,
We're going to run a rooming house. Okay, so like
(16:44):
a little a little in Yeah. So at five Scurving
Street in Liverpool, they were like, let's set up our
little hotel. Okay, so much fun. So the household was
the two sisters, and then Catherine from a previous relationship,
had a son named John, so he stayed there with
them and two families.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So Thomas Higgins Higgins's daughter Mary, and then the other
family was a man named Patrick Jennings and his daughter Margaret. Okay,
so they're all lodging. They're in the lodgerhouse, they're chilling.
Everything's fine, sure, and then all of a sudden, twenty
(17:29):
two year old John Flanagan, which is Catherine's son, died
suddenly in December. Okay, yeah, just all of a sudden.
Twenty two years old had never been ill or anything,
because you know, back then, you get a cold, you're dead.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Well, and I'm like, twenty two years old means nothing.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Then that's very you know, he got a paper cut
and he passed away in the night, right a stiff
breeze over right, exactly. He ate a pear and that
was just it. And and it says his death did
not raise any particular concern, and the two sisters you know,
in mourning, were able to have some respite because there
(18:12):
were things back then called burial societies. So burial societies
seemed similar to like life insurance. They would you could
register with one of them and then if your family
member died, you could collect the payout. So there would
be several of them within towns, so it was just
(18:34):
sort of this separate thing because they didn't really have
insurance yet. Okay, so it was just this way. It
was like a precursor to life insurance. Correct, Yeah, exactly, gotcha.
But it was just for like death, and you could
go there beforehand and pretty much ensure that you would
get some sort of payout if somebody died.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
And I'm assuming you could probably take this out on
other people, correc because you could do that kind of
thing back then. Correct. So Catherine had had like insured
him with this burial society. So they were able to
collect about seventy one pounds, which by twenty nineteen standards
(19:14):
would have been seven and twenty pounds, quite the differential. Yes,
so she was able to collect some money and then
he was laid to rest and try, you know, you
try to move on.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Sure, Sure.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Eighteen eighty two. Okay, you're all living in this lodge
house together, right, eating steak and kidney pie. Again, Margaret's
ankle comes out, You're like hello. So between Margaret Flanagan
and Thomas Higgins, who was one of the lodgers, Sure,
one of the sisters was kind of like flesh her
little ankles at him and started a relationship and got
(19:52):
married that next year.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Okay, so she got married to one of her lodgers. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Now Thomas had a child from a previous relationship who
was living with them. She was about eight. Her name
was Mary, right, healthy, normal child, Okay. All of a sudden,
within months of the wedding, died after a short illness. Okay,
eight years old, so said. But luckily, once again, they
were obviously very good with paperwork because they had registered
(20:20):
her at a burial society. It doesn't say help man.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And they are just so good at planning a house,
great planning, like he don't even worry about it.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yes, you know, such an unexpected loss. Anyway, I'll take that.
In tens and twenties, okay, yeah, it's all very convenient.
So the little girl dies in January of the next year.
The other child who had been living in the house
by now age nineteen, named Margaret, she dies, okay, and
(20:50):
Catherine goes over to the burial society and collects that
law and gets her bag. So in the neighborhood is
start I was gonna say, is this starting to raise
red flags? That's seeing people in one building are well,
here's the thing. This is eighteen hundreds England. So the
second they saw Irish sisters, they were like, we hate them.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Oh my gosh, they.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Were being horrible. Yeah well yeah, and they were apparently
like not super well liked in town. So I feel like,
and again they did this shit right, this is the
murder podcast. They deserve it. But it's like I think
that people were probably watching them from the beginning becase
what the fuck's going on over there? Used to prove
them right, yeah, stinky, oh gosh.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
So instead of being like, guys, come on, you know us,
it's fine, we didn't do it, they were like, we're
actually just moving. So they moved their household to a
couple uh streets away, and then they moved again, okay,
just like moving away from the gossip. Then Higgins, the husband,
(21:59):
just later that year, became another member of the household
to fall mysteriously ill.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
He was like, I'm not going like the rest of
these hoes. Called the doctor. Sure, So the doctor, a
doctor named doctor Whitford, was called and he was like, dude,
you're obviously drinking cheap whiskey because you're in this like
Irish house. You have tummy paines because you drank so
much whiskey. So here's some opium and some castor oil.
(22:29):
You're gonna be fine. You're gonna be pooping. Just haven't
just take opium.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, well cast oil makes you violently pooh. Yeah, So
I'm sure he's like, get all that whiskey out of
your stomach and then here's opium so you won't mind
as you like, So you don't mind it. And then
after two days he died.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Okay, he shit too much.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
So and that's what they said. So when they called
back and were like, well, we need a death certificate
for this guy because he died, he was like, yeah,
I think that he probably died of dysentery. WHOA right,
I love that from what But so the doctor was like, yep, stamp,
he let me go on with my day.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Higgins had a brother named Patrick, who was like my
healthy brother, Thomas, Yeah I disagree, okay.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
So, like he was.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Very strong and in good health. So he started calling.
He was trying to get like the death certificate, so
not sure who to call, he called one of these
burial societies. He's like, hey, what's up and they're like, ayah,
here's this information. Oh you might also want to call
this other burial society just to check. So he's like, yeah,
let me call around, and turned out his brother had
(23:37):
been registered with five Oh my gosh, different burial societies.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
That doesn't that seems excessive?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, which left them he got They got like all
together like one hundred pounds wow, so quite a bit
of money. Yeah. So he was like, that's not common,
and that was not common, Like, he was obviously illegal,
but it's not like they had system was in place
to prevent it, right, Nor did they have I'm sure
a system in place to like check with other No,
(24:06):
you know, obviously check with the other societies, right right,
which you would because why would they, right, you know,
they can't call them. That's a long way down the road.
The ropes aren't paved. And frankly, that was rival business.
So like, yeah, why would I true? Yeah yeah, and
it was it was that was not a common thing.
You would only do one crazy, so they had fives.
(24:28):
They were like doctors processive. So he was like, okay,
let's let's look at his body. Let's do a little examination.
So the corner there they have him at the house.
They have the body, and the sisters are like, you know, oh,
oh no, what's going on? So sad, we don't know
what's happening. But then when the police came and they
(24:50):
were like, yeah, we're here to do the full autopsy,
Catherine was like, oh my god, crazy. They go upstairs
really quick upstairs, and she jumped out of know and
fled the home. Thought full funeral attires, Oh my god,
what okay, She's like a.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Piece jumped out a window, which is what innocent people do.
Definitely in her.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Love that for her.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
God. So guess what they found in his organs? Do
you want to guess poison?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
You do?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
You have like a type of poison? You think maybe
opium arsenic? Oh yeah that kills yeh okay to do it?
Chock full stuff full of arsenal Oh my gosh, indicating
the poisoning had taken place over several days. They were
looking around because they're like, where did this come from?
(25:40):
And they found a little bottle full of white powder,
which is how arsenic is taken most of the time,
that was marked to be belonged to Margaret.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Put your name on the poison. That's fine.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It said it had a market pocket, so like it
was in her purse, like on her person. Oh, I see,
I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I was like, Wow, that's really smart.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Your name.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Says market pocket, and I was like marked, Oh, no,
market pocket.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I just can't.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
That's really what the problem. I'm gonna start marking all
of my poisons with my first and last name, and
I don't want to lose them, just in case I
lose that. That's just plain common sense.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Good.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
So they found that bottle on her and she was
immediately arrested. Her sister, Catherine, who had jumped ship and
was fucking running away, was just staying at different boarding
houses in the town. So eventually they just were like
they just went to one of them and were like,
come to fucking jail. Yeah, don't be running away. I'm
surprised she wouldn't have gotten like turned in right away.
(26:51):
I'm surprised to like, especially considering the neighborhood was right
that it was unpopular. I wonder if maybe maybe she
was like, oh, I'm British, I'm not Irish at all.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
You Americans don't know the difference.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, really Yeah, So they were like, okay, let's exhume
everybody else. Since this guy was arsenic poisoned, how many
of the other these other people probably wouldn't have been
too late either, because it wasn't They were like back
to back to back to back to back that it
was all within like one or two years. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
So.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
The bodies of Mary Higgins, Margaret Jennings, and John Flanagan
all showed evidence. So the way they check for arsenic
a lot is kind of similar to what you said.
It won't decompose as much. So when they dug them
up and they were like bright and shiny, they're like.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Oh yeah, still perfectly preserved, and then they.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Cut him open. Arsenic damn.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
But they knew.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Right away as soon as they saw the bodies. They
were like, yep, oh, Dan, that's what arsenic does.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Well, so they were trying to figure out like how
they got this poison right, Like, I wasn't sure if
maybe it was like, uh, you know, you just go
to the apothecarriage, That's what I would do arsenic. Like
I was like, maybe it's like like animal poison, but
it wasn't the same kind of arsenic. So they were
still trying to figure out like where did this arsenic
come from? And fly paper at the time super common
(28:13):
in the area. It's a it's a Liverpool's a seaport,
so there's like mad flies all over the place. The
fly paper that they would have contained arsenic, And it
was discovered if you soak that fly paper in water,
then you can like it extract the earth. So they
(28:35):
like went through stuff poison these guys.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
So it's like, girl, how did you know that?
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Because I think you could?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
They would't wuldn't they sell arsenic is like rat poison,
So that's what they thought, but it was it's a
different type of arsenic.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Gotcha, okay, because I'm just make sure I'm not making that.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
No, no, no, no, no, no, one's not crazy. It's how
did they figure out that you could just soak fly paper?
Right right? And it says you could get it at
a chemist twitch is like a pharmacy, but you would
have to be like a doctor. It's like doctor grade,
Like did they steal it? Like did they do that?
And then they found like that they had been soaking
(29:10):
flypaper and were like, oh, they're making the poison. Wild oh.
At the time of the arrest too. This is just
kind of like a little like sprinkle on top. Catherine
claimed to her lawyer that they had murdered more people,
oh like seven, like before they opened the boarding house.
(29:34):
They had been doing burial society fraud for a really
long time, and she was like, hey, I have a
list of names because we got a bunch of other
broads doing it with us, like a ring, like a
burial society ring, yes, fraud ring. Allegedly, damn allegedly. So
(29:55):
it was all the group. The alleged group contain and
like people who would do the poison, people who would
obtain the poison, people who worked at the burial society,
people who were like up in the government kind of.
So they were like calling these women in and trying
to figure out if it were true or not that
(30:18):
this whole thing, which I find very fascinating, is still
just a conspiracy. They ever were able to prove it,
And you think that you would, you would be able
to by going through burial society records at least or
something like here's one. There was a woman named missus Evans,
(30:38):
and they said that she was one of the poisoners,
and she had had several times in her life, like
where people had died and it was very unusual, Like
she had boarded a teenager who was like mentally handicapped
but healthy physically, and he had died and people were like, hm,
how did he?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
But they weren't able to prove it.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
They weren't able to prove it. Interesting in the papers,
they kind of were like, Oh, this is just like
a big, like crazy conspiracy.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Crazy. Yeah, I mean I could see it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
So they the trial like barely focuses on that. They
really just focus on the two women. They're like, whatever,
shit's all whatever, well fair, Yeah, they can't prove it,
but it's it's creepy. There's like a whole thing. I'll
link in the show notes. There's a documentary about the
conspiracy that's really fascinating. But I will talk for fifty years,
so I'll just let you guys watch the documentary and
people more good with words than me can tell you
(31:31):
about it.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
More good. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
So she was like during trial, Catherine was like, no,
I'll tell you about all of these other poisoning hose
for lateiency, and they were like, sit back down. Yeah,
you literally do not want to hear it. Oh my god,
they were both found guilty. Good again, it's like eighteen hundred,
so there wasn't as much like found guilty of which ones.
They were just found generally guilty and sentenced to be hanged,
(31:56):
which they both were. On the third of March in
eighteen eighty four. Wow, nearly a thousand people came up
to witness the deaths. Wow, full house full for the
whull out execution. Popcorn, all kinds of stuff. So this case,
(32:17):
especially because of like all the conspiracy and spookiness surrounding it,
has been featured on a lot of different things you
know that showed deadly women.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, I love this. It's an idea.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, so dramatic. I love it so much. So it's
been on that And at the time it was this huge,
like sensational murder trial in the eighteen hundreds, so much
so that the two sisters were for over one hundred
years immortalized at Madame Tussaude's wax museum. Ah, wax effigies
(32:47):
of themselves. They were alive to see it. But yeah,
and they're not there now anymore, like the the wax figures. No, damn, yeah,
not there all shit. Yep, those were the black Widows
of Liverpool. Wow, yep, wow, So I was kind of
(33:20):
excited about this. Yeah, duels are just one of those
things that's like, honestly, it's a double edged sword, right,
because it's easier to commit a crime with the help
of somebody else. But also there's a reason for that
saying that's like two people can keep a secret if
one of them is dead, absolutely right, Like it's all liability,
it is, it's going to talk. Is that person gonna
(33:42):
mess up?
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Right? Right? So I, frankly there's a lot to choose from.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Absolutely, But for this story, one which I was not
familiar with until I started researching for the episode, run
all the way back to the nineteenth century. Yet again,
oh my god, we both hundreds in the US at
that At this point in time, we were seeing the
end of reconstruction, is the rise of the Gilded Age.
(34:11):
We're marching quickly towards the Spanish American War, And simultaneously
I didn't realize these things were happening at the same time,
but there's like the Spanish American War and simultaneously, right
in the middle of that is the Klondike Gold Rush, Like, yeah,
also happening. It's kind of funny. The American West, like
Cowboy era, tends to just kind of like go into everything. Yeah,
(34:33):
Like it's like all these historical events are happening, and
they were also sometimes you don't realize that all of
this stuff is overlapping right all at the same time.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yes, So it was just in the US, but in
Europe they were seeing their own like changes, and specifically
France had a lot going on. They were just coming
off the Franco Prussian War, sparked the end of the
Second Empire and the start of the Third Republic YEP,
(35:01):
which was a whole thing. Industrial industrialization was starting to
take hold in France. Also, the political and social divisions
were like completely magnified at that point in time. And
this is the setting that we find ourselves in for
the story of the goof Case. What now I'm gonna say.
(35:25):
We are in France, and I love French, like the language.
I wanted to learn how to speak it's so bad,
but I do not know how to. I want to
apologize in advance. Stay patient with us French. Yes, there's
there's a lot of phonetic pronunciation in the In my note,
Wrench is hard. Yeah, it's really hard.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
It is. It is okay, So I believe in you.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Our story begins in August eighteen eighty nine when a
man named Dennis Coffee, who had been working on a
minor road like not as opposed to a major as
opposed to a major road in the suburb of Lion.
He was noticing that there was this like bad smell
(36:09):
in the air, and so he reports it to authorities
and they come out to investigate. What they discovered was
a large oil skin bag hidden under a bush, and
inside they found a partially decomposed body who they could
not immediately identify. Oh my gosh, how awful. Police transported
(36:34):
the body to a forensic surgeon, Paul Bernard, so he
could perform an autopsy. Now, forensics like as a practice
was so new, absolutely like there were very few people
who did it professionally. It was not the most widely
(36:55):
accepted practice. I'm sure it was super slow to be embraced.
The Actually, the first forensic science lab wouldn't open until
nineteen ten, So you're talking there's still another ten years
before even the first official lab is open at this point.
This is ten years earlier.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Wow, so super new.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Practice, but his examination showed the unidentified person had been
bound with seven meters of rope, the head had been
covered by a black oilskin cloth, and the person had
been dead for approximately three to five weeks. Wow. Yeah, which,
frankly I'm gonna say is basic information, right, but like
(37:38):
even getting some sort of time that's like amazing approximation
that time period. I'm like so impressed. He was also
able to tell that the cause of death was strangulation, Okay,
which is very important. Yeah. A second, so they do
this first autopsy, they bury him, but they still don't
really have any evidence. They're trying to figure out what's
(37:59):
going on. Like two or three months later, a second
forensic surgeon, forensic guy Alexander Lekaze love it wait wait Laka.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Sang maybe Laka Sang.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I'm not sure, but he was like, let's exhume the
body and he does a second, more extensive autopsy. This
was in November eighteen eighty nine. So he was able
to take a hair sample, which back then was an
incredibly dowent practice now is a very questionable practice unless
(38:38):
it falls under very specific parameters. He was able to
take that hair sample and compare it to a missing
person's case. He also during his autopsy found evidence of
a prior back injury, and so he took these findings
compared them to missing persons reports, and they were able
(38:58):
to determine that the deceased was to Saint Augustine Goof.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, I'm amazed they were able to do all that
because like the missing person's description made reference to this
back injury. Oh my god. Yeah, that's crazy. And they
did like a hair sample comparison to the missing man.
It was a match. Goof was a forty nine year
old court bailiff and widower who had two daughters. But
(39:30):
he was also described as like a womanizer. Okay, yeah,
which we'll talk about it in a second. He's well,
he is French, right right, So obviously he did not
put himself in that oil sack oilskin sack.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
So how did he get there?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Good question?
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (39:53):
To answer that, we will have to go back a
bit and meet a woman named Gabrielle Bompard. Bombar grew
up in northern France and honestly, like this poor girl
had such a bad go of it in the beginning.
She was her mother had died when she was young
(40:13):
and her father had this living mistress who was I
get the impression, not really a fan of having a
kid around, right, right, So her father shipped her off
to various like boarding schools, convents, but she would every
(40:34):
time get kicked out for bad behavior. Oh I love her,
And at some point Bompar's father was able to convince
authorities to send her to a women's correctional institution, where
she stayed until she was twenty. Oh my god, thanks dad, Yeah,
she's They're like, can you please take my unruly daughter
(40:56):
into It was very like Scared Straight program for really
you know what I mean? The host could not handle her.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
No, they were dude. No.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
So when she was released, she decided to head to
Paris with just a little money and hopes and dreams.
I'm going to go to Grandperry we wee. But she
ended up in this sort of like ceed part of town,
oh dear, where she met a man named Michael Eru.
Now Eru was in his fifties and married, but he
(41:31):
sort of has his like his own trouble past. He
spent some time in the Army before deserting and hiding
out in America. He just hung out in the US
for a little while, but then France. There was some
point where France was like, we will grant amnesty to
any deserting soldiers, I think, and so he took the
(41:52):
opportunity to then return to France. Me so he goes,
he goes, he goes back to France, and I think
it was at that point that he got married. Maybe
I'm not okay, he was married. Eru also has during
his time in France. He's got this business that is
(42:14):
like going south, going horribly, and he was in need
of money to solve his own potential fraud issue.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Great.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Oh, he sounds like a real winterer Gambrill.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
It was like if I don't pay this money into
this account or whatever, like my fraud will be discovered
type of thing. Yeah, I love it. Yes, everything goes
great with him.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Uh, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
What, it takes a turn. It takes a turn. So
when Bombard met Eru, the two hit it off and
she becomes his mistress, Gabrielle. Yeah, so this is from
Victorian Paris quote. In his fifties and no longer handsome,
Eru proudly displayed his you full paramour in Boulevard cafe.
(43:02):
I'm sure he did. He was just like my hot
new babe going around town. He was in his fifties,
she was in her twenties. Like girl, m bright eyed
and bushy tailed. Oh my god, Perry, but save you.
Little did she know vampire was crucial, crucial to his
plan to solve all of his money troubles. Ooh, his plan,
(43:26):
this girl, when I tell you, Oh my god. They
took a very simple thing and made it the most
fucking complicated.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
God, why this plan? This plan? Okay?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
So his plan was to have Vompire use her feminine
wild of course, to lure a rich man to an
apartment that they had rented, where they would murder and
rob him. Oh great, okay, simple plan, right, very spanned. Yeah, yes,
but I mean it's not the most complicated, Like, oh
it's not, okay, Well, it became so much more complicated
(44:04):
in its execution. First, the pair went to London, where
they purchased a trunk large enough to hold a full
sized human man. They then purchased the oil skin that
they would fashion into like a body bag.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
They also picked up rope, pulley, a pulley, and a
silk cord that they made into a noose. They're so dumb.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Do you know where this is going?
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yes, So the apartment had this like alcove where they
hung a curtain rod so that Eru could sit behind it. Yeah,
and then he installed the pulley on one of the
cross beams. Okay in the apartment, he would sip. They
(44:52):
wanted to lure the man in, and he's gonna sit
there like an invisible little cook, Yeah, waiting for Bompard
to put this new goose around so he can then
like yank it. Yeah, the pulley and finished the job.
Did not did not have to be that complicated, No,
it really didn't didn't. And frankly, when you're looking, you
(45:12):
will see in some of the notes they have like uh,
illustrations of the crime that they used in like court
and right like it's like illustrations of like how it
was done, and it is the wildest looking shit. God, Yeah,
they are dumb, I know. So already Bombar had a
(45:33):
man showing interest in her. It was one Tucsaint Augustine
goof man like I said, he himself had a reputation
for spending many a night in many a different bed.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Okay, like he was. It really was they.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
I don't remember what the number was, but it was
like yo French, Yeah, teen hunters France. Even like it
was a lot, it was a lot of people. Well,
so when Bompard went to him and was like, do
you want to come to my apartment for this romantic evening,
he was like, AB's a fucking little say less, say less,
(46:16):
let's go. So he goes to the apartment. Apartment Bombard
was wearing a dressing gown that had this silk cord
on it, and the idea was that she'd set him
down in this specific chair and like seductively, playfully, like
put this cord around this neck. I don't know, I
(46:37):
don't know, I don't know. That's so stupid. But when
it came time to execute the plan, Bombard kind of
like froze. So Eru jumped out. He takes over, He
pulls the rope that's attached to the pulley, but the
pulley breaks under the weight. Oh falls off the ceiling.
So he jumps out of behind the curtain to surprise, surprise,
(47:02):
it's me.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
It's me.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
So he jumps out and strangles him. Okay with his
bare hands. Okay, because they were like, they needed to
finish the job. Now now they're in right, So he
jumps out strangles him. Once he was dead, the couple
put the body into the oil skin bag and then
into the trunk, which stayed with Bompard overnight while Eru
(47:28):
went to his Oh god, the poor thing home to
his wife. Oh you forgot about that.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah, he's married.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
So he goes home to his wife and is like,
you sleep with the dead body in the trunk? This
poor girl, girl, you need a friend. The following day,
they hired a driver to transport the trunk to Lions,
where they rented another car to take the trunk to
a remote area. When there they emptied the trunk. They
(47:56):
like dumped the body out, pushed it down the steep
embankment where it would later be found. The trunk they
took and they dispose of it further down the road
to try to split up this stuff. Eru and Bombard
then fled to start their new life together. The two,
posing as ebe Vyneyard, a wealthy businessman, and his daughter Bertha,
(48:22):
landed in Canada, where they made their way south to
San Francisco. Oh my, they're the dumbest people. All of
these decisions are dumb well, and apparently the first aliases
they took one he made her cut off all of
her hair so she would look like a little boy
and would pose as his son. But then I think
(48:45):
it was like somebody had almost immediately noticed that she
was a woman, and they're like, oh, well, we better
go with the daughter. Why dude, Like, you're gonna be
weird anyway, because you're a weird old man. You're probably
gonna grab her tit and someone's gonna be like and
not your daughter? And oh did I say France?
Speaker 3 (49:03):
This is fun.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
So so back in France, Goof's body is discovered, talked
about at the top of the show, Uh the Weird
Smells reported, The police come in and investigate, it gets
taken in for examination. Two days after they find Goof's body,
the authorities found the trunk okay after it had been
(49:31):
reported by passing snail trader.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
What very fron.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
They get there, they pick up the trunk and they're like, God, damn,
this thing smells like rotting corpse. Guess we know what
this is for. It was just a little stinky cheese,
And they also noticed that there was a tag in
the trunk that told investigators that it had been transported
to Lions via rail. Dumb.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
So they go to the railway company.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
These people do not watch Dayline who the people in
the story? Oh yeah, definitely not, because I have not
been in bed let alone television.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
They go to the.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Railway company and they confirm that the dates that it
was transported coincided with Goose's disappearance. Oh. Further investigation into
Goose's day to day contacts led them to Aerou and Bombard,
and an interval uh notice was sent out like right away,
(50:33):
uh huh. After spending some time in the US. Bombard
is like, I am fucking tired of this guy. Yeah,
she there were reports that she had like fallen in
love with somebody else. Leaves Errou and is like, well,
I'm going to go back to France and turn myself in.
I'm going to be I'm gonna be the first one back, okay, girl,
(50:54):
saying that she too had been a victim of Aeru. Well,
I mean kind of. Meanwhile, Eru was catching word that
the French authorities were catching up because she went back
and is like oh yeah, he's yeah in the US,
Like here, here's where he's at. Right, So he leaves
the US, right, well, hold on, save that, save that
(51:17):
judgment saved.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
He leaves the US.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
He goes down to Cuba, hoping to hide out for
a little bit longer. But when he arrived, he was
met in Havana by police and was immediately arrested and
sent back to France. Love it. Both Eru and Bompard
were now in custody. Okay, but how could they possibly
defend these charges? Any any thoughts? What kind of defense
(51:42):
we're gonna get? Oh my god, I have one word
for you. Tell me hypnosis. What that wasn't the word
I was thinking of? Which is hilarious to me because
this is also a time where these sort of like
hypnosis practices, you know, that kind of of woo who
kind of stuff is being more embraced, especially by we're
(52:06):
just coming into the spiritualist movement. I feel yeah, yeah,
so she interested bomb part is like I was under
hypnosis entire talking up girl, I was an involuntary participant
in the murder. Had hypnotized me into that's funny, trying
to murder this man and take his money. Yeah, I
(52:28):
don't even know what I was doing.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Apartment. What apartment?
Speaker 2 (52:31):
I don't even remember this. Yeah, she was like, I
I was hypnotized.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Yeah, so there's that. Er was like, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Actually, she convinced me with her feminine wiles to make
me her lap dog.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, she was pulling the strings the whole time. You
didn't say he was hypnotized. But he's like, look at her,
she's so beautiful. Well, she's like this four to eight slender,
pretty young woman. There was also in one of the
articles that I was reading, they talk about how this
trial became such a sensation because the press was reporting
(53:17):
on what she was wearing a court every day. She
was getting like basically like sponsorships from fancy dress anas,
and it became this thing where like the it became
like the met gala for the fucking press showing up
in different outfits to the trial and how crazy like
insane and so, you know, it's honestly, it's hard to
(53:46):
believe or hard to decide what the jury might believe
in this case, right, because there's so much going on there. Well,
and both defenses are like as equally outlandish as they
would have been accepted at that time. True, you know
what I'm saying yeah, like, I'm sure there were probably
people in the jury who were like, I mean this
(54:08):
hypnosis thing, like, I think that's pretty legitimate, And there
were probably people in the jury were like, I mean,
you know how easily men can be swayed by women
to like you know what I mean, Like, yeah, totally, totally.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
It's hard to be like, well, what was jury? Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Well, honestly, I think largely in part because she is,
like I said this four to eight petite qt petuni women,
and that there was some belief in hypnosis at that time.
Bombard received a sentence of twenty years hard labor.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
In total, she served twelve years before being released in
nineteen oh five. Wow, she went out. Eru got quite
a different treatment, receiving a death sentence and being publicly
gee teened in February eighteen ninety one. Wow, yep, oh
(55:06):
my god, yeah, off of his head. Yes, I'm also like,
it's France, so of course the death penalty is guillotine. Like, yeah,
so that is the story of the Goose and my
dynamic duo. Shall we say, what a couple of assholes? Yeah, dude,
it insane, insane. Also, those defenses get me every time. Yeah, hypnosis, hypnosis,
(55:31):
and we're being flirting, super sexy. Yeah, using her titties
to lure him into sin. I mean I've done it.
Who has a lead men into sin? Me?
Speaker 3 (55:43):
No, liar, it's true. It's true. Well, before you decide
to pair up to do crime.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
Ooh, maybe listeners, don't do that, but maybe listen to
this podcast.
Speaker 3 (55:56):
Don't do that insteade. Hello, this is.
Speaker 4 (55:59):
Margot Dia the Not Fadeaway Podcasts. This is the show
that talks about folks from the music world who are
no longer with us. We'll talk about the singers, musicians, songwriters, composers.
If they made a mark from the world of music,
we will talk about them. Past and future episodes include
Jim Morrison, Aliah, John Belushi, Kurt Cobain, Tupac, and Jerry Garcia.
(56:19):
You can find us wherever you get your podcasts under
the name Not Fadeaway Podcasts and follow us on all
of our social media channels as well under Not Fadeaway
podcast And if you have any comments or suggestions for
future episodes, send an email to Non Fadaway Podcast at
gmail dot com. Hope you check us out. Thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (56:38):
All right, friends, that has been our show.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
It has.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
Do you have any final thoughts before we finish up?
Speaker 2 (56:43):
Rachel, I support women's wrongs. You have said that before.
I support women's rights, but also women's wrongs. I need
that tattooed.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
You do.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
I believe it, you really do. I really do well.
On that note, if you enjoyed this episode, you can
find more just like this at bad Taste podcast dot com.
Our sound and the editing is by Tiff Foeman. Our
music is by Jason Zakschewski. Do your enigma. This has
been the Bad Taste Crime Podcast. We will see you
in two weeks. Goodbye or blah no way yeah or
(57:18):
along the highway. It was as if a wave that
people washed over with town. We're wearing some form or another.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
Wow, like damn.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
Sometimes I saw like Ala Wilson, Wow Wow.
Speaker 3 (57:48):
I can't
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