Five and Dive, Episode 473: The Tigers Have Spoken

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to episode four seventy three of five and dive.
It is Thursday, July tenth. I'm your host.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Pretty cool scene, joined as usual by Patrick Dubuke and
Jeffrey pattern Astro. It's been a while since we've all
been together.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Welcome back, Thank you Patrick. Yeah, a little bit. It's
unusual in a recent Yeah, in.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Our last three recordings we have had four people total
out of three episodes because we didn't have an episode.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
That's that's true.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's yeah, our podcast reference last last ten days would
be questionable this one.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
But we had to explain this gap in our resume.
My agonies, my Canada is great. It has a lot
of trees, a lot of walking through trees, a lot
of poor signage about where to walk through those trees.
Got lost on several trails.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
But yeah, otherwise good.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
I saw sixteen deer, which is a good amount of
deer to see.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
You see all the places they shot X files pretending
to be different cities, and.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
There was one place we went to in Victoria and
that was like we have seen the scene. It was
like in a murder.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
She wrote episode Yah, it's just to.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Be set in New Orleans and like I'm pretty sure
just Jessica Fletcher sat in this chair, which is a
weird call, but you know, I was there. But it
was fine. I enjoyed it. It was good. I read
most of a Red Barber biography or autobiography and yeah, yeah,
it's nice. You should go. You should go to Canada.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
I've been to Canada, not that end of Canada, but
I've been to Canada a few times. Do you have anything, Craig,
do you want to talk more about nineties music?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:53):
We record. We did not record like fifteen minutes of
good Banter before actually recording.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, well, I am reliving my youth. Well I'm actually not.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I'm I'm experiencing my youth for the first time in
a way in that I got My birthday is coming
up and I didn't know I've I've been struggling what
to do for a gift. But I was looking at
local concerts and comedy stuff whatever, and I saw Bare
Naked Ladies, Fastball and Sugar Ray are performing together day

(02:27):
before my birthday, and I said, I want to go
to that.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
I had kind of what kind of venue is this?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
It's like it's just like wolf Trap.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
It's it's like a little.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
People in the area are going to know I it's
a it's like semi outdoor. It's fine. I've been a
bunch of times. I saw Gusterer there in twenty sixteen.
Speaking of experiences like this, I've seen ben Folds there.
It's I mean, they do all you know, they bring
in all sorts of groups. But I did not get

(02:59):
to go to the Big Bear Naked Ladies concert when
I was in high school. Speaking of Guster, which Guster
opened for and so I've never seen them live. Obviously,
they as you guys mentioned, they don't have their lead
their original lead singer. But still, you know, they seem
like a fun, likely fun.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
I mean they had to like they both sand right, No.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
They both said there was one that through down to
four people.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
I should.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
As opposed to the original.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Planes can fly with three engines. It's fine.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, so yeah, so I'm very excited about this.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
And then it got me talking to Jeff about local
or you know, I guess local radio festivals, of which
the one, the one here that was massive was Hi
Festival and we were just running down again.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
I didn't get to look up radio one zero four fests,
but there were a bunch of those in the late nineties.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
I made one irresponsible purchase for twelve dollars American and
it was I'll show you this. It is a set
of baseball cards for nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Of course it is a top micros are the more
the stamps, you got, more of the stamps they are.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
They are tiny. So these cards one inch by one
and three quarters inch. You cannot like look at them
right because they're like you know those mini games that
they sell nowadays, where the pieces are. It's just like
this is a complete game. But also it's too small
for you to practically use in your hands at all.
Like we have Anuno deck that's about the same size

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and my kids love it, and I'm like, I cannot
hold these cards.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Yeah, could just my like I'm trying to imagine, like
looking I feel like you would eat like one of
those giant magnifying glass yah if you're doing like stamps stuff. Yeah,
I don't know why the thing is.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
At least it takes up less room. So I'll just
put this and I'll put this in the garage and
know that I have a complete set of nineteen ninety
two TOPS cards, so I could consult at any times.
So there's baseball going on, and just yeah, what a
fun episode for you guys to explain to me how

(05:02):
baseball is gone the last ten days because.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
I was I was completely unaware of our first topic
until I looked at the standings last night and then
decided it had to be a topic.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
So okay, well let's get into it. The first one
is being tuned up. We are, we're adapted, I guess. Yeah,
the Phillies have lost the rights to any adaptation of
beamed up. The Red Sox are in a tie for
the wild Card. They've been playing. What they've six in
a row?

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Is that what I saw?

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Something like that? They're under five hundred. Now they're well
over five hundred, So right.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
There are four games over five hundred. They've won six
in a row. They're eight and two in their last ten.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
So look, a lot of this is the Rockies.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yes, No, a lot of it is absolutely the Rockies.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
The last three have been against the Rockies.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
And you've got to beat the Rockies. That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
You have to have to beat the Rockies.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
That is true, by massive margins. They've been beating the
Rockies ten runs, ten runs, and nine runs in their
three games so far without allowing many either.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
They played the Nationals before then the Nationals.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Have literally fired their manager.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
So uh, and I don't want to jump ahead, but
but the Rockies are apparently also considering a front officer.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
We'll get to that in a second.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
But maybe just losing three games to the Red Sox
is causing a lot of teams to just fall on panic.
I don't know, uh, but yeah, so they they have
leaped back into the wild card picture. They are tied
with the Mariners. Some of that is things to the Mariners, and.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Some of this is the kids playing playing well.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Roman Anthony's looking a little bit better, but I know
Trevor Story has had some big games in this mix,
which is, you know, not something I would necessarily rely on.
I think the biggest part of this so is the
pitching has been better, but I can't My question is
how much of this is due to they played the
Reds right for this as well. I know one of
the ones came off the Reds I things, so, you know,

(07:06):
Garrett Crochet is Garrett Crochet. But they've gotten two nice
starts in a row from Lucas Giolito again, it's the Nationals, and.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
It's yeah better.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Question is like.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Elite stuffed but like sinker ball guy, he just getsuna.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I mean, my question though, is is just as much
as the pitching appears to be better in this stretch,
how much of that is just they're playing.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, the Nationals can hit a little bit sometimes, but.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
So the rest of the month for the Red Sox
is for Tampa four of Tampa's here for four, then
at Chicago Cubs Chicago team three home, and the Dodgers
they don't. They don't get a normal team again until
July twenty eighth, when they visit Minnesota, who might be
good by then, because God knows what's going on in Minnesota, sure,

(08:03):
and then Houston for three. So there it's going to
be a rough It is three weeks for the Red
Sox if they're not actually good and they're just playing
you know, Nationals, Rockies.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
Sure, but I mean if they also just go five
hundred in that stretch, they may still be in a
wildcard spot.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
I just wonder how much of.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
A team can be made out of Abraham Toro being
above average, Romey Gonzalez being very good. He's got a
nine SEPs like very good under sells it. Sure, Rob
Reschneider won thirty four ops. I know Patrick, I know
he does this, but when he's in reg like when

(08:47):
he's a legitimate like regular part of the team, it
usually doesn't last this long.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
I'm just very happy that a guy that had had,
you know, like a run of PS plus of like
seventy three, twenty five, sixty six, forty and eighty six
in all tiny partial seasons, has brought his OPS plus
up to one hundred. He's done it. He is now
a league average hitter. He's a professional hitter. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
And I think the other part of this this id
off for who did this come up in reference to?
But so Dona Rafaela is an above average hitter.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Oh yes, we should mention they've told Sadana Rafaela just
to hit the ball in the end of the pull
side and now he's been like one of the best
hitters in baseball for a month. And it's funny because.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
That's not necessarily the guy you would tell to do that.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Well Rafaela, if you go back, and I think we
wrote about this a fair bit when he was a prospect,
like he had seasons where he didn't really hit for
average hit for power, then had scenes where he hit
for average and really hit for power, but never did
both at the same time. And then finally, I guess
just decided, like fine, just have like a two ninety
on base percentage and slug for.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Sixties percentage anyway, right, Yeah, So so just for people's reference,
it's his last twenty eight days two ninety one three
seventeen six forty six. Yeah, his last fourteen days are
even better than that with a twelve twenty ops.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
And his last seven days are a fourteen seventy nine.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
And he has done this that is funny rot, Yes,
but he has done this in the minors for stretches too.
Or he just goes on like he's capable, Like it's
all Bill jameson if you show a skill, like do
you have that skill? And he's capable of doing this
for I don't know if it's sustainable, but yeah, it
doesn't have to be. Like if he can hit like
two fifty two ninety for forty as an elite defensive
center fielder, like that's fine.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Right, right, And that's more than fine, it's it's exceedingly good.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yes, And I but we were talking about it came
up I don't know in reference to someone else who
was struggling, but I mean, yeah, that's that's a really
and I guess I'm not necessarily casting doubt on that
if there's a legitimate change and approach.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
To back this up. But yeah, I worry.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
I guess a little bit about the Roamy Gonzales Abraham
Toro of it all.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Look, they're gonna need to make moves of the deadline
if they're serious.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Well, and also the other part is, well, can you
backfill uh with when Alex Spragman gets healthy?

Speaker 1 (11:16):
If Alex Spragman gets healthy, I guess I don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
I haven't seen an update on him, But that's a
big You know, you don't have to worry about it
so much if he's in the line.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
It's just like a trade deadline acquisition, right.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
It's it's I'm just saying it's an offset to expected
regression or relying on some of these guys in terms
of playing time and exposure. Right, Yeah, you haven't here
a devers ewing effect should we reach out?

Speaker 4 (11:51):
It is again, I think some of this is like
having the team meeting before your ace goes, Like you
trade devers before you play the Reds the Nash as
in the Rockies, you don't know as much. He hasn't
been great for the Giants either, But yeah, I mean,
obviously we'll talk about it in little bit. Yoshieta's back
as well, So they've opened up a spot. Dhat White

(12:14):
how they're actually gonna It's funny to say, like, I
don't know how they're going to play all these guys
when two of them are Romy Gonzalez. Romy Gonzalez said
Abraham Toro, right, but like.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
So this is this is as someone who wrote the
Red Sox season preview, this has been the Red Sox problem. Yeah,
but like problem but not a problem. The entire time
was like they have a bunch of guys. They all
play the same positions.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Which means the idea is like, okay, play you.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Still have room for Roman Gonzales in Abraham Toro even
though you have a surplus, which is just a baffling.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Right, and you thought he can make room for Anthony
by playing Rafael Les, but suddenly he's your best hitter
so well, and even.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
If he's not your best hitter, this is combination of
a good bat elite defense is not something you want
to beat.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Bench continues to be just too good to not play.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Right, he'd be like a four win player again this year. Right,
Like he's got his flaws. You got to hide him
against lefty some but he's just.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
A well And in that case you have Rob Refsneider, Right,
you play resh Schnyder. If you want a platoon ref
Snyder and Bray you like God bless, and you can
do that by hiding ref Sneyder's defense. You can dh
ref Snyder and play someone.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Else in the Yeah, Yoshida now back, I think it's
just gonna be the.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
D But I'm saying you have that flexibility.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
And Anthony's been so good like Jared durand just the
odd man out here at this point seems Yeah, obviously
there's been rumors he's been available.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
And yeah, I mean I guess you see maybe what
you can get that's you know, that's an very interesting
kind of challenge trade yeah, situation or or again, like
it's a trade off of moving an outfielder, but you
can do it potentially with another contender who needs an
outfielder but might have a have a surplus somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Yeh, Charon Duran for Ranger Suarez or something like that.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Okay, oh, picture that would that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah, Like they probably do need one more starter, but.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I'm just kind of focused on first base.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
But I don't, like, I don't know if you can
really Duran for a first baseman because.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
They're playing there's not really first baseman, and they're playing
Christian Cant. They're gonna find a spot for Christian Campbell eventually, right,
I you would think, I mean, I guess you could
move him back if Frekman leaves some free agency, but
they also kind of got to resign Alex Bregman.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Now, like, oh, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I wouldn't necessarily expect them to resign Pregnant. I mean
they could, but I don't know. But but the fascinating
part about this Red Sox team is like, Okay, when
Trevor story is, he's brought his OPS plus up to
ninety three, right when he's when he's adequate, that's the
big But when they have holes, they except if it's

(14:58):
in the outfield, they.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yeah, right, And like the thing about Trevor story is
you've got like story is fine, but Trevor story is
also kind of in the realm where if you're a
person percentages. Well, also when you're a first division team,
you want to always are going to be looking to
upgrade from this guy. The problem is they're paying him
so much money and he's not like bad enough to
fully cut bait with either.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they're they're so lucky he's been competent.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Sure, well, let's be real, there are periods of the
season he was not close.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Like it's your concern is that he would be healthy
and not good like you're hoping for competent or injured
because you can you can play Meyer at shortstop and
play Himbill that you have a short stop backfill. Not
that I mean Meyer himself is like a two ninety
on base percentage.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
But here's I just don't know how you trade Jaron
durant I And I know there's been talking.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Answer as you three better outfielders than Jared Duran twenty.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Late and has less. He's not even an arbitration, I.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Mean, because you can get a lot back and you
have three better outfielders and Jared Duran, let's you got
you behind that You've got just thinkson Garcia and triple
A now too, Like.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, but so like you said, like you said, Ranger Suarez,
he's a pending free agent, like you can't.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
I thought he had Mark fair enough.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I thought he had He's got five point one entering
twenty twenty five, so he'll be over six.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
Do you like Jared Durant on a prospect for Joe
Ryan something like that.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
It's interesting.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
I think they need a picture.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, well they do.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
I mean they need to get wal Walker Buehler off
the yeah, of the rotation out of and you you
Cheeldo has been you know, surprisingly decent, but like I
don't know if I want to trust him in game
three of the series.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, I mean it's and he's starting game right now.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Entered the year with just over three, so he'd have
what two and a half, uh two and a half seasons? Yeah, yeah,
I don't even know how much of a prospect you
need given the extra year of service for Duran. But
the other part is given what Duran has done, like
Minnesota is not going to want to pay those arms, right,

(17:24):
that's the other It's like he's.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Just trying to think of like that Dollan, I guess it's.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
A weird deadline. It's a weird deadline for pictures. Most
of the teams that are bad are bad because they
don't have any picture. So even even like long term contracts,
there's just not a lot out there.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Uh has been bad again.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, exactly A. Katar was like coming into this year,
he was the obvious bad.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
Team literally literally Mitch Keller might be the best picture
available on this.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Markt Oh you were. I mean, we'll get to this too.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
But Patrick was just looking at pictures for for his
article which we're going to talk about, and like, yeah
it is. Yeah, well, I mean I didn't even mention
Adrian Houser. I thought about it and I didn't. But yeah,
I mean it's like Edward Cabrera, if you buys he's been.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Good, he's been good. He's going to cost a lie.
He's still got a lot of team control.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
And you know, it's or it's or it's any of
the guys on the Brewers. I guess if they depending
on how they want to do right like that. No, No,
they have extra guys. It's not it's I don't mean
that because they're selling I mean.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Spot for Logan Henderson, right or whatever.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Right, exactly that and like Woodruff just came back to
occupy a spot. So there, but you know they have
someone else that they can bump like that. That's just
a surplus thing, not not a.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
The depressing answer is that's mackenzie Gore, right, like, well.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
This does what started our conversation.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, but they won't dream McKenzie cork because like that's.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Actually well, well, like Jaron duran mixed Jaron Duranan for
the Mackenzie Gore.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Commers money either, but like if you want to hire,
it's it's tough to go out have your interim lame
duck GM trade McKenzie gore, then try to hire somebody
be like, hey, we just traded your best pitcher, yeah
for the project in prospect we chose yeah, look maybe
to Bartolow just ends up the GM after all this,

(19:25):
I don't know it's possible obviously, like he's qualified.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
But I will also say, I don't know if you
saw the quote I'm going to butcher because I don't
have it right in front of me.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
But he was like, we're we need to do a lot.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Well they do, but that can mean well.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
They do, but he's like, we need to invest in technology,
invest in and they do.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
It was all stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
It's accurate, but it was spoken like someone who wasn't
going somewhere soon.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Sure, but also maybe someone that has nothing to lose
to say those things he does.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
You no, sure, but.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
It's kind of weird to like go into the you know,
the job interview, like you need to spend a lot
more money to your owner that has not really wanted
to do that.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
But right, I'm just saying that it sounded like someone well,
first of all, it's it seems like someone who they
trust a lot.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
More, and like your background is more like sort of
you know, handing everything baseball ops. Right, So he's just
seeing where their strengths and weaknesses are.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Operation and it might be somewhere where he was like
both trusted by Rizzo, but would do something different than
Rizzo if he like then he you know, if he
was in charge. So he yeah, Okay, here's what he said.
The fans are right to be frustrated. We're all frustrated.
We have a lot of interesting, exciting young pieces to
build on. We have a lot more we need to build.

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Simply stepping up our game is not enough. We need
real change. I'm excited to bring a fresh approach, a
fresh voice to this role and integrate more data, more technology,
more innovation in our decision making across the organization at
all levels, and hopefully improve the performance of our players
as well.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
So that's something you need to say. But also it does.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
But it doesn't scan like an interim, is all I'm saying.
I'm not saying it's groundbreaking things, right, I'm saying it
doesn't scan his interim.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
It's very much.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Better off head like their presentation from the Giant Hi
says the innovation on the back.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Yeah, yeah, it's a little bit like that.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
I agree, I agree. It is not groundbreaking language. It
is not language.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
I mean, it's groundbreaking for the national fair enough.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
But do you you get what I'm saying, right.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
That's not no like they like Again, Jarrett wrote an
entire essay about this in the Annual a couple of
years ago, right, Like, this is not news. And you
can just look at you know, the their player acquisition
strategy and player development strategy over the last half decade,
lack thereof it's not even like strategy, lack of success

(21:57):
with it.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Right.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
My point is, I guess I'm getting the feeling that
he might be there along.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Maybe it's very possible in the.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Interim uh situation. And I note that he didn't need
time to think about accepting the title, unlike mcgl kiro.
We've ended up on the Nationals. Are we done well?

Speaker 3 (22:16):
So?

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I guess we're kind of talking around this. But how
how hard should Boston push here?

Speaker 4 (22:21):
They're not even that far out of the division at
this point, right because the Jays have lost the.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Five back they are five and a half.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
Yeah, like I know they're in fourth at the four,
but like they're going to play those teams a lot
down in the stretch, right, Like it's.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Not well you just I mean Patrick, you said they're
playing Tampa.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, the game and a half back of Tampa, so
they can pass Tampa with you know if they sweep,
if it's a three game series, I I don't I
would be I would be going for it.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, I talked about this.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
They're not gonna like hard like they're not gonna hard
hard by but there's.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Like it's gonna be hard to hard hard buy, right,
there's a lot of ye a lot to buy.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
But yeah, they get a starter in another bullpen arm.
Obviously Chapman can very good at the back of that pen.
But you get one more like you know, Carlos Estetez
or something right where you can take on some money
and not give out launch.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Right, Yeah, use that, use that to your advantage. This
is there's so much upside on this team you may
as well, like for a fourth place team to have
you just let your guys give a chance to break out.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Paul Sea Walls is healthy. Now you can check it
on Paulsey Wall.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, I mean the other picture that I've seen.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
I don't know if they'll if the Royals will do
it or not, but but logo got the player option.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Make the option makes it a little bit weird. But
you're also like, well, but I guess.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
The point is if you're the Red Sox, would you
be willing to buy the rental?

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Right?

Speaker 2 (23:51):
And I think I think, I mean for that big
and upgrade. You talk about someone you're more comfortable starting third,
third game.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
He's going to he's going to opt out if he's healthy,
and if he's not healthy. The option is so small
that like for the Red Sox, it's not a big deal.
They have to eat, you.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Know, they're literally paying how much are they paying Patrick Sandoval?

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Quite a bit?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, so right, I mean that is that is a
situation that would maybe you can try him to a
package situation with a stem as something like that. But yeah,
I would be pushing some of that as my prior,
which is heading into the season. As I said, I
I thought this could be the most complete team. Now
they have not.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
They have not.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
They remain imbalanced, but they're imbalanced in a way that
is again, I know this is coming off beating bad teams,
but it's working enough. And I do think again, you
get them a Seth someone in the Seth.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Lugo vein.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
To backstop, Garrett Crochet in the rotation. This is this
is a tough line up to navigate.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
And BeO Ando is like fourth starter ish behind them
is fine. Yeah, hour of power that line.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
He's been better than that. He's three three six e
r A somehow.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
In that home park.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
The other thing that is, I think the wild You know,
we talked about the division, but the wild card they're
starting to stratify. The Red Sox are tied with the
Marriage for the third spot. Uh, it's three games between
them and the three games they are above are the Royals, Twins,
and Angels, And none of those teams are like, oh wow,
yeah they're obvious.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
The Rangers just lost a couple of bad games, right, the.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Rangers, the three and a half lost to the team
that you would most assume it's going to make a
run at somebody.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
They just have it right, like they I feel like
they've been three games under five hundred for two months now.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
The Guardians have obviously cleared themselves out of any kind of.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
You know, they've won.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
I look, they've won a bunch of games in a row.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
I just the three in a row and the three
and seven in their last Oh.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
That's probably a lot, Okay, I have not played paid
close attention to understand the Guardians, that's right.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
So yeah, I think just you know, you know how
I feel about the Mariners.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
But like, I think that it's a valid thing just
to be like, yeah, we've got a very good shot
at this wild card by itself at alone the division.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, and again they're not.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
They're three games back of the Yankees and the Rays
are in between them. Like, they could easily be the
top wild card even if they're not shooting for the division.
I would be to the extent that they can, I
would be.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Pushing floor here.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Essentially, it's what you want to do.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, And I also just think, I know teams are
always looking at the future, but I think teams are
still undervaluing the impact of contending and doing something in
the present. There's there's a lot of value to experiencing
even a little bit of success. Look at Brizzo and

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David Martinez. They won the World Series and then they
didn't come close in five years in their.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Own Look at the Rangers, right, who just w ago, Like,
what's that going to look like in two more years
when that core gets a little bit older?

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Right? I also, just while I'm looking at this real quick,
I just need to know the.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Athletics run differential is forty six runs worse than the
White Sox.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Does Atlanta still have a positive run differential despite being
like ten games under five hundred or what.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Atlanta is plus two?

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, no, it was, Yeah, but the Athletics are six
games better.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, and the White Socks it's wild. Okay, Shall we
go on to our next topic?

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Sure, we brought it up a little or I brought
it up a little bit before Rocky Mountain why the
Rockies are considering.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
A front office shake up. I had not seen this.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
I'm just gonna read some quotes sch m Ken Rosenthal
piece at the Athletic Walker Monford through a team folks
first and declined comment Monday on Schmidt's status. But anyway.
As recently as March, Dick Monfort, chairman of the Owner's
Labor Policy Committee, interesting to put that in there. More

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comfortable calling for a salary cap than addressing his own
failures as an owner, telling the Denver Gazette, the competitive
imbalance in baseball has gone to the point of ludicrosity.
I don't know if that's the word.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
WHOA, I'm sorry, run that back again.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Ludicrosity. One of the more underrated nineties alterned it.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Yes, what, yeah, they were at they were at They
were not on the inner stage at Craig's. Okay, go ahead,
all right, Charlie Monfort told the Denver Post. So many
mon Forts in this. Charlie Montfort told the Denver Post

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last month, we needed a new set of eyeballs. Dick
Montfort did not disagree, saying that's not only Charlie's opinion,
it's the public's in general, and I get it. There's
a criticism, which is fair, that we are very loyal, insular,
and we've promote from within. We've always He done that
quote before on the show. Across the sport.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
This is where.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
I have weme a little fun across the sport. Rival
executives have gamed out theories for how to conquer the
Elements and Dodo. But the ideal choice for the Rockies
would be someone who is intimately familiar with the corps experience,
someone who has previously worked for the organizations. Yes, of course,
so he suggests Thad Levine, Jerry Depoto, and Andy McKay.

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I could definitely see the myri Andy McKay.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
As any McKay seems like such a great fit for them.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
HU would be so funny.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
It would.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Jerry Depoto might not want to leave Seattle, where he
has headed baseball operations since September twenty fifteen, for a
lateral position with the downtrodden franchise. McKay, who, according to
Major League sources, interviewed for the Miami Marlins managerial position
last offseason, did not also not surprising, might prefer a
role that bridges the gap between the front office and
the players. Milwaukee Brewers special advisor Billy Eppler, who served

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a nine month suspension last year for fabricating Injuri, has
created open rosters foughts with the New York Mets. Began
his career as a baseball scout. A number of former
gms with no ties to the Rockies Baseball Scout specifically, Yeah,
from Dayton More to James Click to Ruben Tomorrow Junior
could also be candidates both in Washington and Colin Ruben Amorrow. Yes, wow, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
It's just it just proves that the Rockies are.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Very like extremely Norm McDonald voice, all the stars are here.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Well, it's also there's like a how you meant your
mother joke about like they were like Candada and you
can get the eighties until ninety.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Three or whatever. Like the Rockies are are just lagging.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
They're on base for thirty seven wins right now, by
the way.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Yeah, like they haven't actually obviously been better recently because
they were on like a twenty seven win pace for
a while, but they still are on pace for the
worst record in baseball history.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yes, yeah, I watched I trained on one of the
games last night. I was playing a board game with
Felix and five runs in. It felt like that ending
was never going to end. It was raining and they
could tell the umpires were just trying to get through
the inning and the Rockies were like, no, you're not gonna.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well, wasn't it sense of tele pitching?

Speaker 3 (31:10):
No, this is this is after Halverson came in, because
it was like five to two. Yeah, it's like, oh
the Rockies, a normal team might have a chance. The
Rockies went no. Five two leads are ten to two leads? Yeah,
they have they been.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Playing better, like they have that for it.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
They have like they beat the Nationals three and arow,
which should like, let's be honest, guys. You you know
that Rizzo and Martinez are on the hook soon for
their next year's contract. You get swept by the Rockies
like you should be not only not only is that
how you should go.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
You should be catapulted out of the state, just just
flung physically into into a safety net.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Like let let's not be cruel here, let's not be
any name like one of those firemen's uh tarps. Right,
but still that should have been it. Since then, the
Rockies have won four games by a total of six rounds.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah, I mean, so obviously they should have a front
office shake up, right, like if it's like they're considering this,
but they obviously should do it. But they The thing
about the Rockies is they will only do it the
way that the Rockies do it, which is how they get.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Themselves into this position in the first place.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
And it's not particularly satisfying to say, like this organization,
I mean all of them, but like this one in
particular stinks from the head. Right, you just need new owners.
Yeah you can't. We can't affect you, like that can't
be effectuated, right.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
That can't the way down now, right.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Like yeah, right, But I'm just saying, like, how how
would you expect the Mondports to get themselves out of
this when they only know how to do this right?

Speaker 4 (33:07):
And you're going to hire a GM moves you know,
one of his direct reports is the owner's kid, right,
our scouting director.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
And for for one hundred years, the solution to this
was called bankruptcy, where baseball teams that were this bad
would just would lose lose money. And now now you
can't fail.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Now now they they instead get to say words like ludicrosity.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Ye ludicrosity and complain about how they're you know, there's
an imbalance, without thinking for even half a second about
why that influx balance exists.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Shall we go to our third time?

Speaker 3 (33:47):
No? I think the moment of silence, that pause wasn't
pregnant enough for how bad the Rockies are. It should
be like a mandatory again.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Like it doesn't like we are obligated to cover these
kinds of moves because we are a base podcast right
into the baseball news of the week. But ultimately none
of this matters.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, but yeah, it's none like we should care that
that it doesn't It won't matter, right, like it matters
to people, it matters. I don't know if Rockies fans
in particular will listen to us, but like there are
Rockies fans and it matters to them.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Is one of them I should have to?

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I get to read Connor Ferrell right, who is a
Rockies fan, and like the we've all gone through, you know,
psychological trauma from the teams that we care about, and
like nothing on this scale.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
I do want to go back to Montfort's quote about
the the vast competitive imbalanced stuff, like it's not like
they're not spending. I spend one hundred million dollars on
Chris Bryant, Right, they've extended all their spent more than
one hundred line. But they've like spent. It's just they're
not good at it. Like there's no there's no like
cap floor system or revenue sharing you can system, you

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can invent. Just going to make the Rockies better at
building a baseball team.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
I mean there I've always felt that there's a bit
of a kindred spirit to the to the Angels in
terms of how they spend, right, Like they You're right,
they don't.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
They're not necessarily cheap.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
It is just the way that they spend is seemingly
on a whim.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
And like they like they like to reward their players,
and they haven't had anything to reward them for in
the last ten years. And they're getting lower yeah exactly
what's rewarded, but they reward at the same or or
above rates. Yeah, they gave they gave Charlie Blackman that
fifteen million dollar contract is just kind of like a

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you know, a celebration of Charlie Blackman, and Charlie Blackman
was like y than that era.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
A good player got that too.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
But yeah, but you know, Antonio sense Oftella is on one
of those contracts is.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Well, it's it's also one of those things where they
see what other teams are doing and they're like, well,
let's do that, but your players aren't the same. Yeah,
you you're just it's it's what.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
It's really incredible is like we we The pitching is
easy to make fun of, right because it's the most visible.
Think about how many pictures they've given these contract Rockies
not free agent, but.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
But they didn't.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
They they extended and Marcus and Sensa and Marquees was
like good.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Marcus was good and got hurt. Like it more conventional failure.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
I'm just saying the number of guys that they.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Didn't John Gray and they didn't trade John Gray. It
didn't extend Trevor's story. And then didn't trade it didn't
trade story.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Right, Yeah, But like the Rockies have the third fewest
runs scored in baseball in the best offense environment in baseball.
And that that is the that's the truly incredible part
is that this team like they can't They've they've intentionally
built a team that can't score like this, And and

(37:13):
I know that all our Rockies friends. Uh, this is
but black. This is the way he wanted his team
to look. It is an esthetic choice that has nothing
to do with actually succeeding. He wants a team that feels.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
You're said by Black.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
But the organizational ethos has been something that can to
muscular Christianity.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, but like this this whole like it's it's so
old school that it never actually existed, Like this level
of what if the card what if the eighties Cardinals
weren't fast and just like believed that not hitting home
runs was good, Like not that that not because they

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wanted to do something else, but just because they thought.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
And you lost drawing a white Herzog team from memory
like drawing a horse from memory.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
And you're like there's certain parts and that He's like,
oh that's right, I forgot they had ears.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Yeah yeah, it's like, oh, we forgot to include William mcgae.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
And this is why this is why we laugh at
Ruben to borrow Junior. I do think Ruben Tomorrow Junior
would be an improvement because I agree with that because
he would come in and be like, no, you should
build a team this way, and they could be like, well,
there's two ways, and then they could like maybe then
after that they could go hold on, this didn't work either.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Maybe there's three Uh, do you want to hit our
third topic or take a break?

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Let's take Let's take a break.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
We'll take a break. We'll be back with the rest
of the show.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Welcome back to episode four hundred and seventy three of
five and dive. We're on our third segment.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Hey, what would you do?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Detroit Tiger's edition. Patrick wrote an article at my urging
this is this isn't all on Patrick, but I wanted to,
you know, take advantage of the trade deadline is coming up.
We wanted to look at what teams would be looking
for based on largely speaking based on the rest of

(39:36):
season projections from from Pakoda, So like, where are the
obvious areas for improvement?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
We decided to start with the Tigers first.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
On the best pick the best team in baseball. Yeah,
also maybe the weirdest team for this exercise.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, So go ahead.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
So we were and it's funny because we were talking
about the Rock the Red Sox and the Tigers actually
kind of have somehow a similar situation, whereas they have
all these players who're hitting and like because they're one
of the best teams in baseball. They're also projected to
win eighty five wins like basically beyond an eighty five
win pace the rest of the year because Pakota believes

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in none of them, because they didn't believe. The Pakoda's
standard practice is it'll watch it. It'll watch a player,
it'll say, Okay, we think this guy's an eighty five
DRC plus guy, and it'll be one hundred and twenty
for three months and it'll go, okay, eighty eight, I
guess right. So, the as it was announced this morning,

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Zach McKinstry is now going to be an All Star,
meaning that the Tigers have All Star shortstop and an
All Star third basement, both of whom the Tigers need
to replace. It is that I've never seen a team
like this where the two most obvious places to improve
on the roster are literally going to the All Star
Game next week. But Zach mc history has a one

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twenty nine ops plus, Hobby Bias has a one twelve
ops plus h DRC plus, respectively eighty eight and ninety six.
Mckinstree just isn't this guy. It's it's fake it's fake. Uh,
and when the thing is that, like basically what what
the Tigers should probably do because they're like shortstop.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Is both shortstop and.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Third play bases are real thin as far as what
there is available, So probably they should just kind of like,
I mean, m Kinstry can't play shortstop, right, but also like,
what what does this team do if Bias can't if
he just turns back in the regular hobby, Bias, you can't.

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You can't replace him now, Yeah, Tray Sweeney, who is
not a major league kaer, Trace Sweeny needs to Like
Trace Sweeny cannot he he cannot square up a ball
like he swings hard, he hits hard. He cannot hit
the ball directly correctly on the surface. He will just
mishit everything. He has like one of the lowest guard

(42:07):
upbraids in baseball. He should be in Triple I.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
I don't know if he can throw anymore because of
his arm injury. But like if I call Keith at
third base, came up as a third baseman and he's
been quite good this year.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
It's and it's weird that he was like he was
supposed to be the first base until to remembered who
he was and then now he's basically dating. He doesn't
need to be daching. But yeah, So so as far
as the Tigers go, they essentially like the third base
choices are basically Suarez will cost a ton of money,

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a ton of prospect. Brian Hayes.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Is as far as a pending free agent, it's not it's.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Not money, he'll he'll just he is the most he'll.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
He's the most in demand.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yes, there's a lot of demand.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah, well, and I think that'll drive it up.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
I still don't think the prospect cost is going to
be like massive, but you are going to have to overpay,
right because the Levelrez is.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Not a good fit for k America. He's a right
handed pull hitter in a park that doesn't really reward
that very much. It's it doesn't seem like between the
fit and the cost, it doesn't seem like Swirez is
the way to go. Uh. That said, if you don't
go for Squires, you know, Brian McMahon is not worth
it anymore. His contracts underwater.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Cabrian Hayes, like Cabrian Hayes is going to be paid
for four more years and not a lot, but enough
he's a.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Really really really good pay like probably the best defensive
third basement in baseball, but yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
He might be the worst hitting third basement, and it
does not look like that's going to change to this point.
You know, certainly he deserves a new organization.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
You can at least like it's not like yeah, but
it's so it's wish casting on a four year guaranteedmore.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Either would be a trickle down a fact of not
being able to hit.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
But so my proposition was to get an arius, either
Ramon or Luise. They're both basically the same player, and
they're both fine, and they're both willing to they can
you can you can add them as a utility in fielder.
They both can play second and third, and then you know,
when Bias goes bad or McKinstry goes bad, you could

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just be like, oh, hey, we happen to have this
extra guy here.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
We had no ind like you were talking about with
the Red Sox, Jeffrey, it's it's adding floor, right, This
is not a go for it move.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
It's I don't need to go for it move right there,
Pretty well, like they're going to rise and fall based
on how well you know Scooba, Flairty and Olson pitching
the playoffs, and I guess maybe Casey Mayas I don't
think he's might have been very good the perf start.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
But well again, someone like Seth Luco they but again
that's division.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
It's very funny for the Tigers, who basically used one
starter last year, to be like, should they improve their
third starter? Like imagine having three starters.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Yeah, it's very funny to look at this roster and
be like, they need a short stop in a third
basement and two of their best hitters came up as
a short stop in a third basement and one of
those playing corner outfield, and one of them is the
hing Like I don't think why Field Perez is a
short stop at this point. He is not his career.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
But yeah, it is tough you look at like I
just look at the work leaderboard for third basement and
it the only one who might be actually available and
is like Nolan Aaronato and their Cardinals probably aren't trading him,
but they probably might not mind if they could get

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out of some money or whatever, Like it is the
only one better than Zach.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
McKinstry even right now. Yeah, I know that's not projected.
That's the that's what's happened.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
But they might just have to live with Zach Mcenttchrre
the rest.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Of the season. The problem Aernato, but they don't seem
to want to like they I love that they have
the highest payroll in the EL Central and they're like
ranked eighteenth in baseball.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
The uh, the problem is so Zach M. Kintry's slash
line is two eighty six three fifty eight, four sixty eight.
His deserved slash line is two thirty three three seventeen
three forty six. And like, I I know, we talked
about the DRC number versus his ops, but.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Like it is, it is dramatically different.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
And and again you can just look at this on
our cards, but like he's overperforming his deserved rate of
singles by about two percent, of triples by uh, you know,
one point two percent, and by Homer's by a percent,
and basically all of that is going.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Into uh into strikeouts.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah, the vast majority of that is going into strikeouts.
It's just not and I'm not saying darc is the
word of God, but like it's not, it's not real.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
There's some real Brian Lahair vibes going. Yeah, so yeah,
they basically have uh two excellent like visiting how you
fear about flairty I, I don't have any issues starting
Flarity and excellent. But he's fine, He's fine. Uh Olsen's fine.
Like it's the problem with the Tigers is that like

(47:28):
in order to improve on Olsen and myce assuming is
healthy Biceptember in October, you never know, there's not that
many pictures that are that notable and upgrade over Olsen. Right, yeah,
and they have depth, like they have more guys obviously
start gives them on. They have Tyler, Like a lot

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of teams would be starting Kider Montero and in game
four if they had to.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
And I think literally the Tigers dead last year at
one point.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
So it's like they have they have a top of
the rotation. They have you know the five, the top
five and their bullpender perfectly good. Yeah, they could probably
use an.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
Extra armor, you know what, you can always add Ali the.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Day and you know aj Hinch like it's a nice
little treat, should be given an extra laver and I
feel like he deserves it. He obviously wants one, he
wants two or three give them one. It's fine. Uh,
but yeah, it's a weird team because they're good. There's
no reason to bench these guys yet the problem is
that they're gonna find out they need to bench them
after August first and look too late. So weird situation.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
This situation, we will look at other teams over the
both on the site and and we'll talk about it
here because I ultimately we're gonna be talking about this, yeah,
one way or the other on on the podcast, like
how teams are going to try and approach improving. We're
mostly going to be looking at at contenders obviously. And

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I've said this before, but I think I don't know
what this trade deadline, how active it's going to be,
but I think if it is going to be active,
it's going to have to be teams. I don't want
to necessarily say challenge trading, but like both contending, you know,
they're both coming from teams that are.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Within range of contention as opposed to the.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Sellers just don't There aren't enough of them, and the
ones that there are for sure have nothing to offer.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
The Adrian Howiser, somebody's going to go nine and sixteen
in the next twenty five days, right, yeah, right, are
going to fall maybe the Red Sox, but you know
the Reds.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Right, but even if the Reds fall out, you're talking
about Nick Martinez, right yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
And you know the Angels will probably fall out. And
then you're talking.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
About Taylor I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Tyler Anderson.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
Tyler Anderson, maybe Taylor Ward.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's yeah, a lot of these teams
that are cleaning too, aren't even like stocked with talent
to be you one Mancata.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, I guess the biggest one would be if Texas
would trade j to Grom.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
But yes, yeah, that would probably be the big one.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
I also don't know who's signing up for the.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
That that contract, that contract this point.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, you know, so we'll see. Let's go to around
the horn. See what else has been happening in baseball
this week. We've got some hellos. Brandon Woodruff came back,
looked extremely sharp. What eight strikeouts I think in his debut.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
I don't know if we have anything.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
The Brewers obviously need another starter. They're up to nine now.
They devoted Chad Patrick, who is like, I think, not
even falling off yet. See yeah, Patrick was yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Mean struck out ninety five and ninety four and two thirds.
Like he's doing fine.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Yeah yeah, other teams Yeah, three point five two year
he did not fall apart by the time it's time
to go. But you know, you got you got options.
That's what happens to you.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Uh. And and Milwaukee just swept.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Uh the Dodgers, Yes, they're they're in what they're a
game and a half, they're in the second wild spot,
but they're a game and a half back.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Of the Cubs. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Uh, and they've won four in a row. Jeffrey mentioned
Masatakia Yoshida's back. He picked up three hits.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Yeah, including a one handed double.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Was nice.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Oh yeah, just kind of flick this flick the ban
out just I feel kine. It was against a.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Rocky Oh yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
It's a it's a softer turn soft Cam Schlittler, you
gotta be careful podcast World with Cam Schlittler.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
And we can put the explicit tag on and it's fine.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
I'm just saying you gotta be careful on a number
on a number of fronts. Maybe he can be uh,
maybe he can be Mecha Schlitzler.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
God, I laughed. I like.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
He beat the Mariners, not the first to do it, Jeffery,
I don't know if you want to talk about him.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
We did not ultimately do a call up for him.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Interesting, he's interesting. He's one of the Yankees guys that
they drafted throwing the low nineties. Now he touches one
hundred with a good breaking ball. Not one of these
in a while.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
So, yeah, it's all from a directional Let me look
up for the state.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
It's going to be sound like very funny Northeastern University.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
Yeah, was it direction direct directions? Two directions counts?

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Uh, and then we have here Alexis he has called
up also sent back then all right, yeah, they called him.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
The Dodgers called him up because they they uh, Yoshinobu
Yamamoto less than two thirds of an Indian and they,
I think for the next dame. They just said, if
we need someone to throw innings because Kershaw was started.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
We did.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
We did get that. I don't know if it's working.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
We got Jacob Misraski versus Clayton Kershaw in the ultimate
battle of pitching styles.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Both Miserski was utterly incredible.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, Uh, Kershaw was actually pretty good and uh, but yeah,
Diaz was just there for for he's been bad.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Yeah, I dias, Uh I walked seven seven batters in
uh four and two thirds innings.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
And say it's very few innings, but yeah, he's been
very bad. They that was purely he's and we might
need an arm.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Yeah, also more earned runs than inns.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Oh yeah he No, he's been really really I mean
it's four and two thirds innings, it's not but yeah, uh,
we have some good byes the Yankees DFA DJ lemayhew
and this cost like a lot of discussion, I guess
for like a guy who's yeah the CFA for three seasons.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
There's the friends with Judge Angle, there's the jazz Chisham
sliding into the DMS because he wants to play second base. Angle.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
There's well, I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I mean, I know it's not gone well for him
at third base, but I didn't know that was a request.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
But also no what.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
He's been saying, but he has I don't know if
it was an out and out request, but he's been like,
you know, I'm a second baseman. I don't know why
I'm playing third kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Well, in le may you can't play third.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Right, like his body will not allow him to play
a third base.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
And he's also like he's a average bat who can't defense.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
But like it was it was very funny, how how
very like in the report it's like he didn't tell
his bosses he wouldn't play third, but he did tell
his bosses he couldn't play third, and like winked, you know,
like it's just you don't want this happening. And yeah,
so basically because he can't a third in because the
Yankees don't have a third basement. Like it's interesting that

(55:04):
this happened before the trade because there there.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Will be a trade, like will be they should it
should just be Suarez, Yeah, it should just be It's
funny they did this first in the sense that you know,
they really don't have anybody to play.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
There in the meantime, but.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
A lot of Oswal, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
A lot of Oswal. Prazza and you swallow Cabrera.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
The other part of this just something the Yankees. This
isn't dj lem who specific, but like they are just
running out of pictures. Yes, they like Schlitler is interesting
and that's that's fine, but he is there with Will
Warren and Marcus Strumman, which we've talked about on the
prior pods, but.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Like they they really would Schmidt's injury.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Yeah, this is.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
This is a rough situation, right, and I don't know, Like, yes,
they should absolutely absolutely go get a spars, but they
also need maybe multiple pictures. They need someone from Milwaukee, right,
like they just need the death guys. Yeah, sure give

(56:14):
up something minor value for jose Kintana, right like you guy?

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Yeah, Adrian Hazard, Yeah, they have the only starter on
the forty man at Triple A.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Is is why Man's Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
They don't have anyone on the forty at Double A
in terms of starting pictures, and none of these guys
would be none of the ones that are that are
listed would be really viable.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
In the majors right now, I don't know. This is
this is I guess a way for me to back
into being optimistic about the Blue Jays.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
But again, but like sitimately, well and also I think
if you're Boston, right when we go back to that topic,
like should you go for it? I mean like this
this is a team that is vulnerable, so I wouldn't
I would you know, press press any advantage?

Speaker 1 (57:18):
You haven't in that situation.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Elsewhere, Trevor Williams is getting Tommy John surgery. He's been
hurt most of the year, so I don't know that
that changes.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Not enough though, because he has started seventeen games, was
it seventeen? He's already at ten losses. Overshadowed by sense
of televiate, you know, he's close to he was close
to a twenty last pace.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
I guess in my head he's just always been.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
He got a late start to the season. He was
hurt at the end of last year obviously, right.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Yeah, he missed a lot of last year.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
And then the Orioles, speaking of tradead online stuff, we've
got to try. The Oiols traded reliever Brian Baker to Tampa.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Bay for fresh off blowing a fore run meeting and
c the met's on Monday Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yeah, for what, I'm.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
The seventy seventh pick in the draft.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
In the draft.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I've seen a lot of laughing about this, and deservedly
so I understand it.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (58:20):
I think that's not bad value, for very good value.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
But it's the race will make him better, right, Like he's.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Been fine too, He's a fine.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
He's a fine reliever. There's a few years of control left.
I don't this seems fine to me. The thing that's
that left is like.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
I guess Michaelias gets to move draft money around, which
is yeah, great, love right.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
And well after thinking about how to fit prospects uh
into into a.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
Not Samuel Bao on their seven.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
But but.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
It's also funny because the Oils were supposed to be
in it this year, and it's just it's another concept
that they're not going to be right because like they
still need relievers very clearly, and he's not been bad, right,
but it's I look at it and I'm like, well,
I don't know, I might have made that move.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Yeah, well I get it.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
And this is why this is, you know, reason number
three thousand and eight or forty eight why I hate
Theoklahum City thunder. Like this, this was the kind of
this is the kind of deal that Sam Presty does
over and over and over again, and for fifteen years
it didn't work or it didn't do enough, and it
was easy to just go, yeah, Sam Prestin again, the
Oriols are Sam Prestin, and like now that that actually

(59:35):
works so much harder. It is just on the row.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
There's there's too many roster spots right that, Like Presty
would do.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
It in the part of basketball where it still doesn't work.
He would just accumulate these late second round picks.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Just just just I'm just watching. I'm watching the Utah
Jazz do that right now to gain like Colin Sexton
and John Collins off the roster.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
I do have a quote from Michael Elias on the
trade of Ryan Baker h and why why it happened.
The trade made more sense than not doing the trade.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
In our judgment, trades happen usually.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
And so we did it, and I think that's how
we'll approach all of our trades.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
That's it people. Yeah, just going I imagining.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Michael Ias going to a cafe.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Science more sense for me to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Buy this croissant than not buying this Clissan, And so
I'm going to buy this croissant. This is how I
will approach all my meals.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Unlike Mitch Hedberg, I feel like Michael Lias definitely gets
a receipt for the croissant, though.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
He probably puts it in this scrap book.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Lastly, on this topic, Everyone's a star. This is the
all star adjustment where.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Their first round of adjustments.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yeah, that's right. Uh, no longer.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Well, there's still All Stars, but not in the game
dy Peralta. I'm assuming that we just have per Alta
usually Jeremy Pana, who.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Is still play this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Dingers rib cage injury. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Jose Ramira, is, Alex Bregnant, and Hunter Brown. They are
all out of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
In Brown and pitching Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
That's why. Yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
And just did is Yamamoto might be pitching.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
You might be pitching sundayday as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
I don't otherwise, I don't not hurt, but they might.
Trevor McGill is in, Andrew Abbott, Zach McKinstry, as Patrick mentioned,
Isach Perettis Junior Camonaro also in the home run.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
Just the Brent Rockerd just announced that he's in it too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Oh okay, honestly, it's shaping up. Okay, decent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
I still think they need to get Joe Adele they
do in but uh yeah, and then Joe.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Ryan Buckston did just get a hit on the hand,
so he might. We'll see it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Yeah, I like that you use Joe Ryan in after
talking about the homoern Derby, which just made me want
to picture's home run Derby. The first person at a
home run wins.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
I see every year there are takes of like I
want these random and like I always see that, and
I think you might.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Patrick, I would.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Yeah, no, I realized.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
But I think people say this and I think if
they actually had to sit down and watch it, they
it would be.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
A miserable experience. Like, look, people watch.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
You're also the only adventure CEO. Patrick.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
It's just a Rockies game during the All Star Just
just have one just comes, no, no, no, no, just have
the American League All Stars play the Rockies.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I want that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
I want like, whoever's the worst team in baseball just
has to get there, get there, just handed to them
by the best players in baseball. Well, everyone watches this
is what we deserve.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Also in the All Star Game, is the automatic ball
strike challenge system?

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
What I believe?

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
So yeah, my initial reaction to this is wash. I
think it's dumb to do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
I think I just like, we don't have it this season,
Like just why do they need it in a thing?
But I guess like a.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
Lot more people, a lot of more people are going
to watch this and watch spring training games.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
And that's what. So I had an initial thought.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
I managed not to post it immediately on Blue Sky
because I then had a second thought was like, well,
I guess you know, you get people used to it,
but I also think, like our player is actually gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Like are they in an All star game? Are they challenging? Like,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
I think it's also a little hand fisted, right, this
is just the league being like, hey, remember this is
still happening, and we can't can't stop us from making
it happen. We can do it anytime we want to
when it's not right. Yeah, So yeah, I think that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Just it struck me a little weird, but also I
kind of get it at the same time that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
I break since a game you're doing training game trendy grid.
We haven't done this one in a while. Basically it's
the Maccua grid, but you are trying to pick the
player in each category that had the highest vote percentage
for that day on Immaculate Grid. I will send it
to you in the g chat right now, and then
move will put which one he wants to be in
the booth first, all right, well in that case, Craig

(01:04:31):
is because Craig doesn't care. All right, Craig, you're take
your headphones off and Jeff, all right, so we're gonna
do it. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
First, combination braves.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
And pirates, most common, most common. Uh, it's gonna be
like my brain not there's got to be a picture.
Uh man, I didn't picture, uh crud, braves and pirates.

(01:05:03):
I said, there's like an obvious I know there's an
obvious picture. I am forgetting and it's going to drive
me up a wall. I don't think Mark Walter's picture
for the pirates, good lord, it seems like they should

(01:05:25):
have a ton of overlap the pirates.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
What the pirates category today is difficult.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
I would say, yeah, fair pirates and praise. I'm taking
away too long on this. I literally can't think of
a pirate and I mean, mm hmmm, it's okay, you're

(01:05:53):
the one asked at it. Yeah, I know, I'm going
I'm literally gonna pas. I can't think of.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Okay, uh, pirates and orioles.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Pirates and oriole like I just don't pay attention to
the pirates. I mean like, I like, I know, play,
but pay for the Pirates, but like them, the Pirates
don't acquire people as part of the.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Yeah, so it's which Ari, which Oriole for.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
The Pirates ship. I'll pass on that to just think
of the song Pirates catcher Jason Kendall A right, Uh
Podres and Braves, Padres and Braves, Braves, all I keep

(01:07:01):
their famous people in the house too? Is the other
David Justice play for the moment? Say David Justice, okay,
Uh Padres and Orioles, Mannie Machado, Uh Padres catcher, Oh

(01:07:26):
Padres catcher Benito San Diago.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Okay, Braves center fielder Andrew Jones, Orioles center fielder, Oriole
center fielder.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Do you think they have like a famous one? So
I'll just say Cedric.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Mullins and catcher and center fielder.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Catcher and center fielder. Craig Biggio.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Okay, all right, Craig, it is your turn. M hmm,
all right, hello Craig. Hello, Okay, So we're gonna start
with Braves Pirates.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Hold, I'm just pulling that up because I was trying
not to check get in an advantage contemplate.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Braves Pirates.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
Yeah, this one killed me off the back.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
I got this one right, and I could not believe
it was correct.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Oh, well, that that's not helpful. Wait, why am I
I'm I'm struggling. Just struggle with this one too.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Can caness okay, well and return to it. That's fine
if you think it's something later early pirates work.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Well, I'm not gonna I'm just gonna know. I just
don't think you will. I don't think you will. I
don't think you'll think of one later. It's a hard category.
Even though there's two hundred and eighty one people apparently,
well there's two hundred one people who qualified because these
are two.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Old franchises, right, right, Yeah, And you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Know I'm not gonna know the old ones, right is
the pro Well, when the Braves were Boston, right, like
a half bet half of these guys were Boston Braves Pirates.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Orioles Pirates Orioles.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
This is the one I did the worst ant.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Yeah, this this is uh it's Orioles. Oh man, this
is not good. It's a bad start.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
The Pirates. This is a rough beginning. It'll spe out.
The Pirates are they're they're tough compared to the others. Yeah,
I'm just oh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
God, and I legitimately, Like I I cannot think of
someone who's who oh, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Nate mccloughs, thank you, Uh, pirates catcher.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Pirates catcher boy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Uh, I'm trying to think who would be the oh, Jason.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
And Kendall, okay, Uh, Pads and Braves.

Speaker 7 (01:10:04):
Just half the half the tea. Uh, there's a lot
of overlap here. I'm trying to think if recency bias
matters more than.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Yeah. That's always the fun and challenge is do you
go with the famous guy or to go with a
new guy? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Uh, let's go with uh uh Fred McGriff was in
San Diego, Right, I'll do thank.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
You, Greig. Uh. Padres and Orioles.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Hm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
That's that's one that doesn't jump out to me. Padres
and Orioles, Oh, yes it does.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
There we go. Boy. I want to say Martine Maldonada
just for I'm not I'm not saying it Patrick.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
How is Martine all the other day?

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Uh? Oh God, I've jesus. The guy I actually kind
of want to say is is the one who was
on the in that Mariner's trade that oh Austin Nola.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
But it's they don't really do the do the Padres
have like a big time catcher.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
And I'm just forgetting mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Maldonado has a forty five ops plus.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
There it is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Yeah, Uh I I I know that I'm gonna I
they just catcher has been their sore spot recently. Yeah,
I'm just gonna say Austin Nola. It's not it's bad,
that's uh Braves center fielder. See, I have a lot

(01:12:05):
of options here, and it's just like which like Michael
Harris might be very popular, right, I don't know because
it's just the current one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
But well and also does oh, it's just played a
game in.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Center anybody who's played center field in the brace, obviously
you're gonna probably pick somebody played a lot of centerfield
so that people will think of him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
I don't know that that would be obvious to me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
I like I'm gonna I'm tempted to say ronald'cunyan Jr. Okay,
but like Marky's Grissom past my mind, right, you know,
just that's my era. I guess I don't know. Uh,
I'm gonna say Ronald 'cunyan Jr.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Okay, Oriole center fielder Orioles centerfielder, Adam Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
And center fielder and catcher Craig bo Okay, congratulations.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Wait, but I didn't think of a pirate and.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Oh, do you want to go back to it? Okay,
go for it, brave.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
I'm not I guess I'm I'm probably not gonna do
to be honest, as.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Jesse Chavas pitched for did Lariano pitch for the Braves?

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Did you wash up there? Okay? Whatever, I don't have that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
All right, so you both skipped on that one five
to four. Jeff gets the victory. I don't want to brag.
I don't want to brag. I got six on this one,
all right. Okay, so we'll start at the end and
go back. Centerfielder catcher is Craig Bisho. Congratulation both of you,
the Orioles. It is Adam Jones twenty one percent, the

(01:13:44):
second lowest, third lowest of any score on that list.
I went with Matt Mullins, like, I don't know what
Mullens is great? What what Mullens right? Have I deleted
my own score already Mullins had seventeen and Jones had
twenty one, so very close.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
But why am I blanking? I'm suddenly blanking on his name.
But the Orioles, uh centerfielder, and I want to say,
like the in the seventies, seventy eight Blair Blair, thank you,
That's what I was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
I considered him. I instantly thought him and went at
the time and forgot what's that?

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
He only thought of him and went, no nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Yeah, well he's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Chronically underrated, so he's not gonna yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Brave centerfielder is Andrew Jones twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
That makes a lot more sense.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Yeah, yeah. Potter's ketcher, Jeff got this one. It is
Benito Santiago twenty three, the most iconic Padre's ketcher. I'd leave.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Honestly, I'm a little upset. I didn't say your victory, Alba.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
I had a starting lineup as a kid.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
I thought about no, no, but no, that's a great call.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
I thought about doing Fred Kendall because of because of
Jason Kendall, Pottery's Orioles. It is, indeed Manny Machado forty
six percent, the highest of any column Podrey's braves. I
got this one wrong. I did McGriff like Craig the
Justice never played for the Padres. It is Greg Naddox
definitely Padres and you definitely remember it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
You definitely those are names that popped up to me.
I did wasn't a was was Clesco a brave?

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Also?

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Yeah, Clescho was a good brave Padre. That's that's a
good like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
He came up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
He came up for me six years on both teams.
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Yeah, I thought there's a fair number of overlap on
these ones.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
I just couldn't catcher up the Pirates. It isn't pack
Jason Kendall, uh for the for Orioles and Pirates, I too.
Craig came up with mccloth four percent Maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Yeah, no, I mean that was not going to get it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
However, twenty five percent said Bobby Bonia, and Bobby Bonia
certainly did play two years for the Orioles.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Yeah, he also played for seven.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Other teams, and I can't imagine that's what everyone. Oh yeah,
Bobby Mineo famous oriole Right, yeah, okay, all right, whatever,
But prob the one I'm most proud of Braves Pirates.
Thirty percent picked the correct answer. It is Sid Bream. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Yeah, never gonna happen for me.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
I remember it, but it was never gonna come to me.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
And I instantly thought of him, and I went, no,
there's no way it's actually said Breen, and I like
sat on it for a while, like, all right, fine,
who else is?

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Did they do? They say? Who else?

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Like? No, I mean you can pull yeah, you can
pull up a list. It's a long list, and it's
sorted alphabetically. Let's see the most recent combos. Brian da
La Cruz, Nick Solak Gero already the most famous recent.
Mark Blanson, i'd say, is probably the most famous recent
Brave pirate combo Chase Darnault, Trevor k Hill. No, no one,

(01:16:45):
these are pirates. They're not good.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
Look, I believe Trevor k Hill played for both those teams.
Like like guessing what teams played Trevor Trevor k Hill
played for, They'd be very far down the list for me.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
No, I'm sorry, I'm looking at the Oriols. I picked
the wrong one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
No, this is Braves. Oh mcloth played for all three
of them.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
I forgot. Yeah, yeah you played for Yeah, there you go,
So Nate the Cloth was the correct answer for all.
It should have done all nine for day. All right, congratulations, guys,
you went.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
All right, well well done, Jeffrey, you know I was
due a loss after my my comeback victory uh in
in last Pots game, so I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Thank you for that game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Thank you to you both for coasting, and thank you
to our listeners for joining us for another episode of
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