Five and Dive, Episode 474: My Favorite Miztake

In Episode 474, Patrick, Jeffrey, and Craig discuss five mostly baseball topics. 

1. Nobody Beats the Miz: Jacob Misiorwoski is in the All-Star Game. Let's discourse.

2. BP on Draft: A brief Day One draft wrap up.
3. Rumor Has It: It's Mid-July. The Draft is over. Time for the deadline rumor mill to fire up.  
4. Around the Horn: An Astros call-up, and an old friend of the podcast finds a new home.
5. We've apparently forgotten how to remember some guys

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to episode four seventy four of five and five.
It is Monday, July fourteenth. I am your host, Great Goldstein,
joined as usual by Patrick Dubuke and Jeffrey pattern Ostro.
Happy Best Steel Day to you both. Thank you to
the listeners. I know it's important to everyone. Remember, Look, Jeffrey,
I just we're gonna be talking about the miss wearing

(00:31):
French history.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Okay, okay, lims limbs.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Oh well, I just like so. The problem is the
mizz to me is the real yea, the wrestler.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I screwed that. I screwed that up.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
That's on me.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
But that's fine.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I was going for something off the top of my head. Okay,
that's the cusion. Wasn't wasn't perfect.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Do we have any banter?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
This is my busiest week of the year. I'm very tired.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yes, you're very said you were on stream for a
very long time. I was yesterday. The draft just happened.
We were going to talk about that.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Patrick, do you have I took my kids walking around
a random neighborhood and picked up a free bubblehead of
Brandan Crawford from the twenty sixteen Giants.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Did you walk inside any houses.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
No, no, no, none of them were invited.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
You didn't take a bubblehead like from like somebody's from Michelle.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
I have. I just have two a couple of relation
resources related. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
I just want to applying on some television things. One
is I finished task Master the nineteen. I've caught up
to this season. Don't spoil it for me. I'm only
on episode now.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I want to say, featuring Jason Manzukus, Who's a delight.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
That's all I say.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I like, I don't know if I could do Jason
Manzukas for it works.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
From this showy he is, he likes this.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
He's only one fifth of the show hit the show.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
But also he likes the show and is not trying
to ruin the active. There is a sense of respect
for it.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
It was a it was a very necessary show for
me to go through. It's just like this year has
you know, this year is a lot and uh, it
was a very welcome distraction. I literally last night just
started the New Zealand version, So we'll see how that goes.
I've been told by numerous people on a Blue Sky

(02:22):
that the second season of the New Zealand version is
like one of the top seasons of any task Master.
So I'm looking forward to getting to that and I
I'm just the British TV front. I wanted to recommend Ludwig.
I don't know if anyone's watching that. It's the it's
a BritBox original, I believe, but it's David Mitchell absolute

(02:45):
delight as well.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Very different than this but fantastic.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Really very different than the other David Mitchell characters.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
You might, yes, yeah, it's still very.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
David Mitchell though, but watch I've seen some of it.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, the whole show is good.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
There's a lot more humor than I was expecting out
of a out of.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
It very much, kind of like takes the piss out
of like DBC detective show, like like Cracker and uh
Prime Suspect and things like that.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. So that's it.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
I just wanted to update people on some some TV stuff.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
That's it until I got let's go to the show.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Let's go to another TV program that's getting some attention.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah, the the All Star Game, I guess is uh,
it's made down the.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
TV it is and an entertainment product. Yes, our first
segment is nobody beats the miss I guess that's nobody
faster to an All Star Game appearance.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
I mean you will pitch what nobody beats the whiz?

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
No?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
I okay, well I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, oh thank you, Yeah no.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I got I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
You're saying, like, nobody's faster than it's been.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Living in It's been living in my head because of
the Seinfeld.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
I mean I watched like metch games on w w
o R as a kid, and that was like.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Oh, I mean I remember the actual thing, but the
I'm I'm the with.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Guy from Seinfeld just yea in my head? Uh Jacob Mazarowski?

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Uh? Nominated? Is going to the added to the All
Star Team? Is this is it? Who? Who does these?

Speaker 3 (04:20):
I mean the league technically, I think just goes down.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
So because at one point, wasn't it like the.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Managed manager, Yes, but then I think they started just
adding their own players and they decided to take it.
The league kind of took.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
It well to be for the managers, like they have
a different job, sure that they're actively doing up until
you know whatever.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
I would have believed by the way that Dave Roberts
watched JA they dismantled the Dodgers and said, yes, ships
add him. Uh. This has caused some consternation.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
I I look, I'll be up front, I don't.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
I also don't care about.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
The All Star Game.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Sure, so here's the.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
I think it's kind of bullshit. Like if I'm going
to buy into the premise of what the All Star
Game is, and I know everyone is going to say
it's an entertainment product, but he has five starts and
twenty five I know Jarrett has posted a lot about this,
much to the offense of Milwaukee Brewers fans, and and

(05:25):
I like, I agree with him. I think often sometimes
he puts things in terms that I think are like
even if I agree, I'm like, that's a little harsh.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
I just agree with him on this one.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
I really do you actually do have to hand it
to him.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
I have to hand it to him. No, So I
think it's bullshit. It starts in twenty five innings.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, Like, if you want to make this like, I
get promoting your young stars and whatever. Right, he's not
a star yet. He's not a star yet, right, He's
not like he was a man.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
He will be.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
I'm like, two months removed from him walking like six
batters and ending at a third and yeah, yeah, triple light,
which he can do. He's a very good pitching prospect.
He's never put together the command for a long period
of time. And yeah he throws one hundred and three,
but like you know, so does like Joan Duran, Like
they're like, it's impressive to do that as a starter,

(06:20):
Don't get me wrong. And I'm I understand that at
a certain point you have to play the game and
you need pictures and pictures that throw Sunday camp pitch.
Now the pictures that throw Saturday aren't pitching too. Like
you very quickly run out of guys like David Peterson
made this team and he's having a nice first half,
don't get me wrong, But like, at a certain point,

(06:41):
you need pictures. And I know the Phillies were especially
upset about this with Rister Sanchez and Ranger Suarez not
making it, and then we have the whole thing with
like Sanchez it's like no, no, I'll pitch. And apparently
the Phillies.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Well and they they said, uh, I swear I saw
someone say, uh Suarez decline.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
End he might have Sancha who.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Was confusing because the Phillies players were like, this is horseshit.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Right in so far as said he wants to, maybe
there's not a lot of communication there, like Sancha's I
kind of get it, Like, and his agent's out, there's
an old he'll pitch. He's got a fifty thousand dollars bonus.
And if the Phillies said no, he's not available, yeah,
like you can't really do that. That feels grievable to me.
If you have a contract agreement, you can't like say
he's not gonna pitch, which is fine, they're gonna pay

(07:29):
him his bonus anyway, but like you can't just like
they don't want to replace a guy and then replace
the guy replace that they replaced because they need somebody
to throw the sixth inning of this game. And nobody
actually wants their pitchers pitching in this game. So I
get that. And Misrawski will come out and throw one
hundred and three for an inning, fine, whatever, And look again,

(07:51):
he has like a higher era than David Peterson, I
think in those five starts too, if you care about
such things. So it's not like he's come out and
been super dominant. He certainly was against Dodgers to start
before against the Mats, he didn't look very good, which
I mean, it's fine. He's a very good pitching prospect,
flash young pitcher, right, Like so is Chase Burns. And
like Chase Burns has what it was, a better pitching

(08:13):
prospect than has three starts. Now maybe he had a
four starts, like, I don't know. It is like it's
an exhibition.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
So this is Chase Burns is interesting because Chase Burns
has a six point nine.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Right, he had a very bad start for his right,
compared him as your asking.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
But my point, my point is it I the the
delight centers in my brain light up equally watching Chase
Spurns as they do Jacob Misrawski, right, And I understand
he doesn't have the numbers that Miserowski has, but Missieroski
doesn't have the numbers that other people.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Have also won't have the numbers that Miserowski has after
about three more starts.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Right, probably right, And and like I guess my point is,
if you want to say it's an entertainment product, then
the fucking put Chase Burns on the team over Randy Rodriguez, right,
Because no one knows who Randy Rodriguez is, and he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
He's not going to bring that level of hype or
sensation to the thing. So I just don't think you
can have it both ways.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
It's an entertainment product.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Rodriguez was voted in by the players, right.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
But I'm just saying, but he shouldn't be on the team.
If it's an entertainment product, he should not be on
the team. The players are voting under one circumstance and
the commissioner's office appears to be acting under another.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
And also and the fans are just voting for their
favorite players on their teamment right, It's.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Just it's such a mess. And like again, I don't
act like I'm sounding like I care about this. I'm
I can bring myself to care in the moment for
a discussion whatever, I don't actually care, Like I.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Don't care about this than the way the MLB caracker
it's up round to round.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
I care far more about the MLB draft tracker. I
just need people to understand this. This was on the
this was on the stream yesterday. But they they went
one through twenty seven on the first round. Yeah, and
then it skipped Patrick I'm very interested to see what
you think of this. It skipped to thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Two no, no, no, no no Patrick Round one.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
In between twenty seven and thirty.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Eight, there's one C, there's the comp Round one C,
the Compalance A.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Compalance A, and then back to the FIR.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
We forgot that there's also a PPI pick in there.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, pick. So there are three separate labels.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Patrick has a headache, three separate labels Patrick in between.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
So if you want to follow the draft round pick
by pick, you have to click on like four different tabs.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Why why are they because Patrick? Because they labeled instead
of moving it to either the second round or calling
them comp round or uh it used to be supplementary,
used to be a thing.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
They've relabeled each team's first pick.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
The first round, and the Dodgers, Mats, and Yankees go
ten spots lower.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah. So essentially what it is is that the first
round had a nap. When you when you when you
wake up from a nap, it's not a new day,
even if you're just hoping.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
It made me so mad, so mad.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
I care so much more about that than what I
think they should call them all, to be clear, supplementary
first round picks. Sure, and they're there and they are
first rounders.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Why does it?

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Why does it because they want people to be called
the first round pick? Yeah, but it's because these picks
got dropped ten picks, right.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
It's it is. That's not how it works.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
I agree with you. I agree with you. That's also
how I feel about the All Star Game and adding
Jacob Mazarowski to it. That's not really.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
How it works. Just some fun, fun numbers. Because when
we're talking about Misrawski, the first person, I think it
was Mark Fidrich. Fidrich had eleven starts before, and I
don't remember. I don't know when he was added to
the All Star Games, so I like he might because
it was I feel like these rosters.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Had probably about that, like Valenzuela I think had that too, right.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
So Fri Fidrich didn't start his first game until May fifteenth.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Don Willis Dontrell Willis start the All Star Game his year,
obviously Schemes did it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, But the thing I like about Fedrich is the
first I just looked up his numbers and I was like,
you know, Fidrich only started eleven games right, Fedrich averaged
more than nine innings per start. He had more starts
Great pitched eleven innings in games where he fitched.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Really shocking that his arm didn't last. Yeah, it's like
a third season.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah so yeah, OK.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I also want to be clearing placed there are any
Milwaukee fans who have not turned this off at this point,
I will if I watch the game, I will be
excited to watch Masaraski pitch like he is exciting, and
he like, I'm not denying the fun or I'm not
trying and I'm really not trying to ruin anyone's ye fun.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
And look, if you think we don't like Brewers prospects,
just wait till the mid season. Fifty drops in two days.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
The Zach Kreiser in his Bandwagon newsletter with Hanna Kaiser,
it's very hard not to screw that up. He wrote
about this today, and actually I liked his angle, which
is that, like what made schemes special and cool is
is somewhat cheapened by stuff like this, And like, I

(13:48):
know the league wants to find the next schemes, but
the thing that was amazing about schemes is that there's
not always a next one, right, that was kind of
his angle, right, and it just like you're trying to
take something that naturally occurred and made a lot of
sense and do a manufactured version of it and and

(14:10):
it But I agree with Zach that it cheapens it.
But I also just think it doesn't work as well.
Like you can see the seams, so to speak, you
can see the effort in it, and it's not as good.
And I think that's a lot of what people are
reacting to, even if it's hard to kind of to
kind of talk about or identify, like there's an emotional

(14:32):
reaction to it that's like.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
This isn't this isn't that, and this isn't really this
doesn't really make sense, you know what I mean. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I just it's also very weird because of all the
Saturday Sunday stuff that we have so many pictures now,
it used to be the case that the pictures it
was really hard for pictures to make the All Star
Game compared to position players. I Fidric's All Star Game
there were nine pitchers selected from each side, so you

(15:07):
know that, and now it's like what twenty per like
it's maybe more because all I have to do is
be named and then say no, and then they have
to find another one. I know there's eighty one All
Stars of this year or something. What's amazing is that
Fedric like not only like pitched between starts, like on
his off day, went back out and threw an eleven
inning shut out. His next start out, he pitched the

(15:31):
first two innings. Only four pitchers in the American League
that year they each pitched two innings.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Well, So I honestly think guys should be throwing multiple
Indians in this game.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
I think it would make more sense for them.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
They might not max out the same way, you know
what I mean in the one inning stint Like I don't. Yeah,
I don't know, because I think most of the times,
like once these guys throw, like the difference between an
innian and two is pretty or what you know, Like
you've you've thrown, you've warmed up, you've done all the

(16:04):
dry work.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
And all that, like it shouldn't matter that much.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I don't. Randy Jones pitched three for the National League
and got the win. I like that. In in the
All Star Game, they changed the dumb rule where if
you don't go five, you don't get the win, Like
he went three, they didn't give it to a reliever?
Was it the first three? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (16:22):
Okay, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if there's
anything else to say on this front.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
I think that the problem is that we do like well,
like it or not, this will get used. Right, we
are going to forget this game and we are going
to remember the numbers and we're going to see how
many All Star Games that people went to and Christopher Sanchez, Like,
I don't think Christopher Schansers is a Hall of Fame pitcher.
I don't think he is on the pace to be
a Hall of Fame pitcher. But you know, there there

(16:54):
we I just wrote about Zach Wheeler having three All
Star Games, right, and like if Christopher Sanchez only makes
three All Star Games and he would made four, like
there that is some difference and it means something. And
it's not having these things not be based on merit,
but then using that as a statistic record of one's
merit later that's not good. Like we shouldn't make complaining

(17:17):
those things. Yeah, Also, we have a bunch of other
stuff to showcase talent or on the All Star Game.
It's almost like they have other exhibitions.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Also, just while we're on the on that, I'm not
gonna do my full rant, but well, okay, let's actually
I'll do it in the next section because we're gonna
go to the draft. BP on draft. That's our next segment.
But the draft, this was written up by I don't
know if it was broken, but I saw the place
I saw it most was Yahoo Sports Jake Mins.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
The MLB draft had.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
No players in attendance for it this year. They've traditionally
had well, I mean at least a handful of the
first rounders in attendance because they've had to make it
an entertainment product. We're gonna be saying this a lot, uh,
like the NFL draft, Like the NBA draft. I can't

(18:09):
speak to the NHL draft. I don't know how they
how they operate that there were none this year, And
I will just make a plea to say, go back
to the conference call it's it's baseball like that is
baseball to me, because these guys are not although they

(18:30):
are increasingly arriving much faster, right, I mean, we'll talk
about Bryce Matthews this year, within three years or whatever,
it's not not crazy. But and and Chase Burns flew
through right, Paul Skins flew through the miners, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
But this is the conference call is great. We're missing
it right now. Jeff might also might be doing it
at the time. Yeah, but but I love the conference.
I legitimately love it. It goes much faster it is. I
like it a lot. But no one, no one, this

(19:09):
is what is this for? What is this for?

Speaker 1 (19:11):
To have Rob Manford come out and announce a pick
in this way with none of the players even there. Yeah,
I don't understand what this is at this point. And
to tack on my standard rant, put the futures game
in the slot. I will just say again, the futures

(19:33):
game is what they think the draft is. Yeah, although
I will call this is probably one of the weaker
and I know we keep kind of saying this every year,
one of the weaker futures game rosters. But like you know,
I think Joswel Depaula and Zyer Hope are a lot
more relevant to whatever the Dodgers are going to be
doing in the next few seasons than Zach Route and

(19:54):
Charles is it Davlon Devalan, I don't know. Bab dablon right. Well,
and the futures game is what they think the draft is,
and yet they only make it seven innings. They've shoved
it on Saturday now. So even if like if you're
if you're a major league fan, you're watching your team

(20:14):
play instead of the futures game, hold the draft on
as a conference call on Wednesday when nothing is happening.
It'll be fine, that's my right.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Sorry. Well, and the thing about the draft is that
what are the storylines? Yeah, like we will talk about this,
but like one of the big storylines is of course
ethan holiday being you know, holiday sun And it's like
that all you can talk all normal people, non prospect

(20:48):
non experts can talk about because all they know mostly
at this point is human interest stories of which there
are no humans around to convey. It doesn't seem it
seems like a common addiction anyway.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Yeah, I don't. I mean, so, so, Jeff, we're on
VP on draft.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yes, the floor is yours. Yep, time to be an expert.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, so Eli Willitts went number one, Sure did, Sure did.
Obviously there was a lot. Sorry, I just was answering
a text because the draft is going on and stuff
is happening. So Eli Willitts went number one. There was

(21:37):
a various rumors that South Tornando's not sorry, not South
Tornando's Ethan Holiday Kate Anderson at the end point of
the Eli Willets, who, of course is Reggie Willets kid reclassified.
He's one of the youngest prep shortstops in the draft,
but hitch the balls about as hard as the older
prep bats in the draft, So that's a that's a

(21:57):
positive marker. You know, he's the earliest shortstop long term.
Maybe maybe not, but there's a lot of Develt metal runway.
He's gonna be a pretty significant cut. And if you
look at the rest of the NATS draft so far,
because you can't you can never really look at these
things in a a vacuum. Although we did rank well,
it's number one on our draft board. Yeah, you know,

(22:20):
if he signs for seven million instead of eleven million,
if you look at you know, they took some significant
prep arms in Landon Harrison and Miguel Sbmid Junior, both
of whom throw up you know, they throw lend and
Harmon mend and Harmon sorry they throw you know, one

(22:40):
hundred miles an hour. But maybe don't throw strikes, so
that's do continue to care about how hard you throw
a ball for. They also just took Kay James, who's
probably going to be over incredible name prep shortstop in
the fifth round as we talk right now. So it's
still you know, you can take as Jared said on
the stream a lot last night, you can take Mike
Grizzo out of the NAT, take Microso out of the Gnats,

(23:01):
but you can't take uh Microso out of the gnats. Basically,
you can remove Microzo from the Gnats, but it's all
the scouts he hired, so some interesting drafts that I
liked so far. The Brewers, the Brewers do this every year.
And then you know, he took Andrew Fisher, who's kind
of south freeliky in the first round. He'll probably be

(23:24):
a cut and then they are just loading up on
interesting preps. They took Frank Carone, who's out in the
Pine Darns of New Jersey, who throws very hard with
deal for spin. Joshua Flores, another interesting prep arm that's
probably gonna be significantly overslot there, Breedy Amble they took

(23:48):
in they're gonna take, They're gonna sign like four.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Probably probably a little bit of a cut at that spot,
but like, but they're gonna.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Take They're gonna sign four preps between one and two
million dollars like they do every year. And again it's
just a very interesting you know, you know what they're
looking for. They're going to be good model, friendly prep
arms with good velocity, good fastball shape and feel for spin.
But I like the Twins draft. I'm not a huge

(24:15):
Meryck Houston fan. Like, he's fine. He's also very Twins
in a way as a you know, very color. And
then they took Killing Culpepper last year as a college shortstop.
But Riley Quick's a nice pick. Quentiny Young has a
lot of upside, and they took to Young delmn and
Dimitris Nephew. Yeah yeah, And they took to h again

(24:37):
to sort of I think probably stat Head Darling Pitchers
and James Elwinger from DBU and Matt Barr who's a
New York's juco. M Yeah, sunny Sunny Niagara, I think, yeah,
Niagara correct. And then you know, on the on the

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other end of things, you have the Los Angeles Angels.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Oh, I thought you were gonna go with the Astros. No.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I mean, the Astros had a very Astros draft too,
But you know, the Angels had the second pick in
the draft, and they took Tyler Bremner, who is an
advanced change up specialist who could be in a major
league rotation on Friday. He might be in there major
league rotation on Friday. And they took Chase Shores, who
is notably LSU's closer, you know, to be in the

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majors very quickly. Could be. A smarter team might have
taken him and stretched him out as a starter. That
Angels might end up doing that like they did with
Ryan Johnson. Maybe he pitches badly in the majors and
then goes to Hi A. I don't know. They took
Nate Sneed, who's Tennessee's closer, and now they're again, I
think most of these are going to be a Brender'
is gonna be signically underslot. They're taking a few, actually,

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probably a few more prep pitcher pops than they normally
would because they've got more money probably than they normally would.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
They are, but they are all pictures. They have taken
one position player.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
They've taken one position six rounds and then the Rockies
took Ethan Holiday fourth. Overall. That was I've been a
long standing rumor that he would end up there, especially
if he didn't the Nets don't take him one. And
then man, after that, it is extremely They think JB. Middleton,
who's an interesting traits pitcher, dev project, but he got

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taken by the Rockies. So man, they took Max Bellu
from Texas, who's just like Jerry Thomas Part two. Basically, yeah,
there weren't any like huge surprises other I think Than
and Brenberg going second isn't even a surprise because he's
the most arguably the most major league ready college pitcher

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and he was picked by the Angels.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
I mean, but it was a surprise.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
I mean if our cat slid a little bit, he
slid to seven. It's not a great college back class
and that you can kind of pull calls and ava
Arquette's game, so yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
I would know. We had Jojo Parker second on our
big board.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
That was.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
They really like his chance to hit, and the Jay's
got him at eight. So that was, at least from
our board, a notable Yeah, I mean at the top intense,
but it's it's pretty flat class overall. Yeah, that just
seemed like an issue one the other there seemed to

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be like we had a run. I should point out
Michael Donedeo published like fifty additional reports the day of
the draft, and there were some guys that we did
not have on our big board.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
But we're in those reports.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Tate South, the Scene, Sean Gamble, Jordan Yost all in
a row, we're in in those. Those were the Royals, sorry,
the Braves, Royal and Tigers first round picks.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah, I liked.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
I like what the White Sox did with their first
two picks and then it turned into a White Sox
draft after that. So yeah, outside of that, the Tigers
had some interesting stuff. You mentioned yost already. They took Olevetto,
who's a Long Island prep catcher.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Both both were like late risers, right.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Yeah, Malci Witherspoon's interesting. I saw Ben Jacobs. He's not
he's very like lefty for startery, but the Tigers, like,
I think he's a good fit for what the Tigers
do right now and there in their pitching development.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, the Royals low key had an interesting draft, like
they got shot, they got Josh Hammond.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Yeah, and uh Hammond, right, both, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
So they got some that's an interesting Again, we'll see
if the Royals player development can catch up with their
amateur town on acquisition. But it's a it's an interesting
draft if nothing else, I guess uh gauge Wood slipped
to number twenty six and the Phillies, who is a
bit of a College World Series star for his performances

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with Arkansas. There's some concerns about the arm, but that
might be a guy that, if he can stay healthy,
is gonna you know, outperform, Like I would consider him
for the one on one this offseason. I don't think
he's gonna pitch, so it's be hard to get any
new information on him. But like I think he's a
you know again, if he can stay healthy, which you

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can stay about any picture, but especially about gage Wood.
You know, he arguably was the second or third best
college pitcher in this draft, just on talent, so probably
third depending on how you feel about Jamie Arnold's fastball.
Right now.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Yeah, the other two things I was gonna say was
just and I'm sorry if I miss you saying that,
but Liam Doyle going five and was arguably in the
conversation for maybe not for the Nationals on one one,
but like one one talent kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
That was a nice Jamie Arnold did slide a lot
to himself.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah, and I felt like there was a lot of
it's just on our thing, and I saw other posts
about it on social like, uh, Marcus Phillips to Boston.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Was such a great art fit.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, yeah, right, it's just like that. That was just
a I don't know, there was a lot of really positive.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Phillips withstood is like very yeah, yeah, that's all. I mean.
The drafts still going. I'm like, as you can tell them,
kind of paying attention to it as things go.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
So okay, well that does up on draft. Let's go
to rumors habit.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
The rumors have the rumors habit?

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yes, mm hmmmm, I have not had coffee today.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Wow, that's usual for you.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Yeah, I agree, rumor has it.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Let's go with that.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, there's interest in Twins relievers.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
I haven't seen this so uh like you'll.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Be shocked that maybe Dave Dombrowski wants to trade for
Griffin Jacks or Johandra.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah. I Gryffin jack skiels like the bargain pick if
you want to take somebody based off of you know stuff,
versus like he's going to cost a fair amount.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
It's got a lot of control left. I think he's
very good. Yea, but Duran is like the shiny closing.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
No for sure, for sure. I'm just saying in general,
like I yeah, I don't know, I mean it makes sense.
I guess I did.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
I see?

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
Jarrett mentioned on the broadcast there was something with Joe Ryan.
There was a rumor.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Someone, Yeah, there's been some Jets could be I mean,
if you're.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
It was like yet Williams plus.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Obviously sure, I mean, like the Mets should be injured
like Joe Ryan. I think if they want to make
Joe Ryan available, he will immediately become the best, by far,
the best picture available at the They're also two and
a half games out of a playoff spot right now.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
No, I like it's very hard for me to say, like, oh,
they should be necessarily selling when they're Yeah, yeah, no,
I probably don't. I don't know. I must not have
been Hayman. I don't see that. But so German Ryan's not.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
A free agent until twenty twenty eight, Like yeah, no, yeah,
the Twins have to believe they're gonna.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
This is a situation like or at least they're gonna
play in the al Central.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, I see No, I see no reason why, Like
I get trading relievers because you never count on a reliever.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
I could see them even trading bucks then, just and
it's not that much money. But if they just need
to offload the forty five million guaranteed or whatever it is,
right and get a haul back, I guess.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
But like Ryan's it's cheap, are you cheap?

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Ryan's cheap and he's around for a while.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
And if Pablo Lopez was healthy, I could see them
moving that up. Also, it's hard to trade Pablo Lopez
because Lopez is never really helly healthy.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean I feel like we said this
about the Twins multiple times, but like the Twins really
are the just wait till next year team. Every year
that they have a bad year, it's like, well, that
probably won't be bad next year, that'll probably be all right,
And usually they are. That's just how the.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Question is always like whether they're all right enough? Yeah,
and like too frequently they have not been that there's
like this they're still in it this year, but like
they're also below five hundred.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Ty France, I think it started every single game. No,
he's uh, he's missed four games, but yeah, you've had
ty France has been a constant presence in this lineup.
They may want to consider not having that be the
case next time, but I don't know. I just it
seems too early for me. On the Twins, it seems like,

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just play more games, like it doesn't this this feels
self inflicted to try and tear this down in my opinion, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
I'm inclined to agree. They've also just had so much
go wrong.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I know that's true, and they set themselves up for this, right, but.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
As right as Buxton has gone like just Corre has been.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Awful, yeah, Lewis has been worse.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
And Lewis like every yeah, just everything that's gone wrong.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Everyone's either been hurt or bad or both.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Right, Lopez been heard.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah elsewhere the Rays are open to trading Taj Bradley.
Now this this is a team and I'm not gonna
say this is gonna sound no, but I'm just saying,
like this makes so much sense to me on the
on the front of like, the Rays understand the market yeah, right,
they understand the market and they they don't. They are

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not a verse to risks where like even though they
are close to or in a playoff spot, like they
will trade off that team because there's you know, it's
it's the Michaelias quote. Honestly we thought it, like not
doing it would be worse than doing it, right, right,
That is I think often their mindset and they don't

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mind taking something and like maybe they'll backfill and maybe
they won't, but they're fine with it either way.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I'm sure they're also looking at the market and being like,
if we make TOAJ Bradley available, given the lack of starting.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
There's no one out there, right, That's what I'm saying,
Like they're gonna get something for it. And they're like, yeah,
maybe Joe Boyle is worse than TODJ. Bradley, but they
have Joe Boyle and we can get something else, and
we can.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
It's very Bradley for the balance of the season two.
They also be in Seymour too, who's pretty h Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
It's interesting in the sense that Bradley is kind of
underperforming as peripherals. He's got like a what a four
point six e R.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah, you know, he's always been a little home run prone.
He probably needs to be more of a primary cutter
guy than he is. But the you would think the
Rays are the exact organization to get a lot out
of him. Now, you know, you look at who they
usually trade with, you know, the Brewers, the Mariners. Mariners
could use TOAs Bradley if they think they can, now

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are they gonna want and they marriage and the Brewers
both have a lot of young, good prospects. They can
trade to the Rays too and still have good systems
at the end of the day. But it's a very
weird one, right because it has like a bit of
the like the Trevor Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Feel from last year fund to fix but yeah, not
as not as broken and.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Is broken right, but also like is it like is
like how is Tos Bradley good?

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, it's like dr I think so, yeah, very much.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
I think there's we.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Talk about Trevor Rodgers for just a half second.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I know he's he's been very good at this year.
Hasn't struck anybody out five seven.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah, seventy point out. He's been better than like Jacob
Mazerowski over the last Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, he's has six starts and has a thirty five,
has thirty five innings and it's the one five e
r A.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, he's almost he actually has almost got himself up. Yeah,
he is. The four point eight hits for nine probably
not sustainable, sure.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
But still kind of a dick move that that it's
like less easy to make fun of the Orioles trade
dead bind Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Yeah, I mean, Kyle, I'm not saying I'm not saying
it's it's hard.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
I'm just saying, if only he hadn't been, if only
he hadn't been like plan h on the Orioles starting
rotations this season.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Sorry, I just I just had to interject. No, I
think Bradley, Look, I think it makes sense. I think
it makes sense for their team, for their system, like
for the level of player he kind of appears to
be at this point. I know he's flashed higher, but
like if they can get you know, surplus for him
because the market is so barren. You know that that

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checks out to me.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
You have here Jay's slash a gallon.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Jays are interested in Zach Allen.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Yeah, that seems I mean their rotation is full of
like Jose for Rios and Chris Bassett and even Kevin Goussman.
To some degree, it's all like guys who weren't quite
as good as they used to be.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, so like in a fashion, it makes some sense.
But boy, I don't know if more of that is
what what Toronto needs. H Everyone is interested in Luis Robert.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Eight teams interested in least Robert Jr.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
The White Sox are not one of them.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
As far as this is the ultimate fun effects Roberts
hitting one five through twenty five right now, m h,
we are you know, we're getting.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
There, just maybe getting out of the like maybe getting
out of Chicago house. But also like the injuries may
have just yeah, like there's some athletic and defensive markers
that have gone downhill to which would make me worry
about how much more you're gonna have in the tank.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
For Yeah, it feels like if you trade for if
you trade for Luce Robert, you should just give him
a deck chair and be like. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
It's also like not a lot of money. There's team
options there, so like you have some like, I mean,
somebody's gonna trade. The center field market is also about
as bad as a starting pitching market, and a lot
of contenders need center fielders, and that's the Phillies.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
It's hard to imagine what he'll fetch.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah, it really is, Like it's a really like I
think they probably just trade him, yeah, because they're not
gonna take up those team options.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
The question is like would the Phillies. Does he have
a half season to prove that the you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Like that's yeah, I mean the Phillies like should consider it.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
I think the thing is, he's just at this point
and look, you.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Know I was a by this point. Are you gonna
sa at this point he's Johann Rojas.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
No, no, no, no, I'm just saying at this point, I
believer I wanted the Dodgers to get Robert last deadline
and even this offseason, but like it's been an extended
period of pretty or play.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, And I.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Think at this point any team has to look at
those options and say, like, is it worth twenty million?

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (40:44):
And on the upside is obviously the current.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Production isn't it's a little less than My.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Point is My point is is he gonna have like
two months two and a half months to get to
earn it basically, and that's a tough position to be in.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, the kind of team that needs him is also
like he's not he's not immediate help, right, You're not
bringing him in to give a boost. He's he's terrible.
He's a little bit of a project. Yeah. Yeah, and
you know the Royals, like are they going to finally
just give up on Kylie's bell? Like, like, I don't know,

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but the Royals would never pay for those last years.
It's just a weird fit all the way around.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
And the White Sox are not going to view him.
They're going to view those team options as steam control, right,
even if they're not going to pick them.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Up, and they should, right, like it is something that
the other team is gaining. But at the same time,
I mean it's a little like the Angels thing with
Joe Adell, where it's like, yeah, we realize he could
be good. I mean he's been good now, but like,
you know, he's better with you than with us, and
so we want you to pay for it, even though

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with us he won't do that.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, you need you need a team that is willing
to front the check and also willing to wait on
him to turn it around. And that is the Angels,
but the Angels it is yeah, you know, like the
Guardians could probably use him, but the Guardians aren't going
to pay for him. Right to your coin, Jeff, you

(42:15):
said like the Mets. The Mets could obviously do this,
like it's twenty million to them, is not that important.
But at the same time, well, I guess for them also,
it's more than twenty million, right, Same with the Dodgers,
like the tax, their probatu is above and beyond. But but.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
I think there's a level of risk. I didn't. I
felt like last year it was the White Sox horrible season.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
He's he has banged up a fair amount and you
know whatever, And I know this is another White Sox
horrible season, but it's at some point, like you know,
it's got to show up.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
The other the other team that might be interesting is
what if the Tiger get him to service is insurance
for Parker Meadows and then maybe allow.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
Space.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, and then maybe it gives Matt Verling, like you, yeah,
you put him back in third base where.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
They do need another right handed bat generally, right, and.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
They the Tigers certainly have the money to be sure. Yeah,
so yeah, maybe that works.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
That's that's not a bad thing. And and again like
maybe just well also like it helps to your point Patrick,
like maybe Matt and Verling placed third as as the
platoon instead of you know with Zach m Kinstry, like
you backstop a couple of regression options, right.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, yeah, and you know that you know you've already
you've already resuscitated how your bias?

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Right, That's that's right, that's that's a nice fit. Uh,
it's in in division. I don't know how much that.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Matters, but nobody is in the division with the White Sox.
The White.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Lastly, and this is a sentence I shouldn't ever have
to read the padres are and I'm going to say
quote here interested in Cory Lee.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Yeah, they've made their catching situation, is what it is, right, it's.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Been Yeah, it's it's not.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
But we saw Martin Maldonado versus Corey Lee play out
last year, like we like recreating the twenty twenty four
White Sox.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
I have to think it is not to play with
Martin Maldonado, but to remove Martin Maldonato, right, right, that was.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
The White Sox plan.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, I mean Elias has been you know, basically just
as bad as Martin Maldonado without whatever in tangiles are
are here. That keeps Martine Muldon utuemployed still like WHOA
like that. Sometimes the headline is just there to serve

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as just just kind of an insult. Sometimes it really
should just be Sometimes it should be a headline like
this team could use this player and it's true and
it wouldn't even be based on a rumor, just to
remind everybody that they've really they've really screwed this part up.
This feels a threat. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
All right, on that note, let's take a break. We'll
come back with the rest of the show. Welcome back

(46:01):
to episode four hundred and seventy four of five and dive.
We are going around the horn.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
In section four.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Bryce Matthews called up and we got I wouldn't I
wouldn't call them pitch by pitch notes, but we got
some play by play notes from Jeffrey in our group chat.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Just the heat is different.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
I did not, like, I kind of knew Jack Later
was doing harder. I did not know he was touching
one hundred Oh yeah, training, yeah, I know, but like, yeah,
I think he's like, oh, for six with five strikeouts
right now, like it's going to be an adjustment for.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Him, is over seven with five strikeouts.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
For seven with five strikeouts.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yeah, yep, it will be an adjustment. But do you
want to give people a quick rundown of his yep?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Uh, good.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Defensive infielder, he can play shortstop. He's seem to be
playing second base for them, so they can play Barisio
Dubon at shortstop. But I mean, Jimmy Pania has resumed
baseball activities, so I don't know how long he's going
to be out at this point.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
The rest of the year the way things go.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah, sure, power power over hit generally is one of
those guys that has some swing and miss because he's
trying to hit barrel everything in the air, but has
had enough of an approach to make it work. There
was some morning signs in Triple A swinging and missing
more at off speed than he has in the past.

(47:25):
So again, it's going to be an adjustment against major
league velocity in the zone and major league secondaries. But
like you're hoping for like a two point fifty with power,
good defensive infielder type, do.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
You want to I'm gonna spring this on you, but
there was there was a comments on the call up
which we ran over the weekend. I don't know if
you saw it.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
I did not basically said, like I've seen a lot
of people, wasn't just singling us out.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
But it also was in the in the.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Call up as well that described his performance as kind
of up and down, and they kind of took issue
with that, given that he's been good at every level
ex I just didn't know if it'd be worth kind
of like because.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
I understands, yeah, I mean he was like a one
year college performer in a brown. He's like a junior
year breakout with power. Like, I mean, I get that,
but it's just again it's gonna be it's a very
fine margin skill set with the bat basically.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Right well, And what I would say is like the
overall production has been good. I think what's gone up
and down are the underlying things that get him there.
And so like the the in zone swing and miss
has been has has ranged from like that'll work, yeah,
that that's really concerning, And all the while he he's

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done enough damage on the contact to justify you know.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
A good OPS, a good w RC plus whatever, yes, right.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
I also would point out like this, this person mentioned
used WRC plus a fair amount.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
WRC plus does not adjust for it.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
It does now oh in the now.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yeah, okay, I apologize, all right, then never mind scratch
that one. But what I was going to say was
Houston has some some very nice hitting environments on the
way up. So yeah, I do think the majority of it, though,
is the underlying a skill set, and that is what

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we've tended to focus on, especially right, the things like
ze contact with rate in general, stuff like that, rather
than that.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
And he does so much like that, and I had
I had this, I think I said far of this
conversation with U Ben's Diamond and when he was still
here and we were working on the astros list early
in the off season, and like he just he burrows
everything when he makes he does so much damage, right,
So that's the Kenny continue to make that much damage
against major league pitching, That's what it comes down to.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Okay. Sean Manaya will be returning after the break.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
He literally pitched yesterday, Craig, he pitched.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yesterday, even relief. He'll start after.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
The Yeah, I mean he they piggybacked him and play
home Manaiah Regard.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
I wrote it. I'm correcting myself. I'm the one who
put in the notes.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
I could have fixed it when I saw it in
the dock and just didn't think of it.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
We can just do another take when.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
I'm editing this, all right.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
And I was returning before the break, returning, he looked
very good.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
He didn't have getting the loss. He pitched I think
four inning he pitched, the match, came back to tie it.
He gave up. Tyler Tolbert got a single, stole second
and scored on another. Like whatever, what Tyler, he's the
new Terrance score.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
I know Tyler, Yes, you know his name is Tyler Tolbert.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
His name is Tyler Tolbert. Yeah, but yeah, he looks good.
He was up that he was up to you know,
fastball was popping at the top of his own ninety three,
ninety four, ninety five. The slider looked good. It's you know,
you can obviously they lost a game. They he took
two three from the Royals, but now you can you know,
the Mets and went into the break a half game
one the Phillies. But they're going to come out of

(51:09):
the break with Sengham and I am on toss a home.
It's all healthy. So yeah, looked pretty good or in.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
The terms of this podcast, he'll be back soon.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Yeah, yeah, uh.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Youah no, and he and he looked I know, he
like loaded the bases in his first inning, but he
looked pretty good.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
He looked like he looks like five. Another another picture
that has been better than Jacob Zierowski.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Honestly, it's a great It's a great bit to have
your pictures come off the aisle.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
And face the royals.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
It is yeah, got you know.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Time that stuff right, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Speaking of unfortunate Timy Hunter Dobbins is going to get
Tommy John surgery. The Red Sox should really be in
the market for another picture.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yeah, I was just checking on how Kyle Harrison was doing.
Kyle Harrison is gotta near the A two whip and
it's giving up three home runs for nine in Winchester.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
Sounds like the changes are going well.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah, yeah, probably I.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Think we have to do like a Maya Colpa. They
probably should have kept Quinn Priest. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Well, also, I mean shoutout.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
I know it was a little rough, like the first
five starts or whatever, but like Mario that article on Prister, Like,
they've done a lot of the stuff similar to what
he was talking about, and he's been pretty good. Yeah,
and they've you know, we talked about it in the
last pot, but they've just continued to whin. They had
to walk off from Saydan, And I apologize, I've been

(52:40):
saying his name wrong. I've heard people say it forever
and I just in my head, I cannot stop saying Siddane.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
But it's Saydan, raphaela walked off the.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Rays keeping just keeps hitting for power.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Yep, turns out it works.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
But yeah, I mean they're they're firmly in in you know,
contention at this point for for the for the playoffs.
And uh, I have to imagine they're one of the
many teams interested in in pitchers who may or may
not be made available at this point.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, they ryan to be available, yes.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Yeah, Yeah, that's a great that's a great call.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Uh. And speaking of Kyle Harrison, we can go to
Raphael Devers, who's playing through.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
A back injury.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
You know, it's not that I don't believe him or
or the report, but like he was crushing the ball
in Boston, but did he have the back presumably he
had the back.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
In on the flight.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Yeah, I've had a back in coming out, So I
understand literally across you know, across country flight.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
So I do understand. He's also like, I mean, he
crushed the ball in I think the tenth inning of
the game, just absolutely hammered a line drive to a
long drive to the warning track in San Francisco, straight
to centerfield. Uh so, I it's not again, I believe

(54:10):
that he's injured. It's I don't think it's necessarily something
that it feels like something that's only coming out because
the top line numbers aren't there.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah, he's also started literally every game since he ran, and.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
He's still taking work at first base and stuff like that.
Like it seems like both a thing and also not
a major thing and very relevant to this podcast and
really just me perhaps in particular, wander back in the majors. Look,
if you're gonna have a brave season, the least you
can do is get guys like Wander Suerro some some

(54:46):
major league service time. It's absolute horseshit that Nobil Chrismat
resigned with the Phillies. Nobill find find a team that
will get you in the majors.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Man.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
It sounded like he was exploring the Asian baseball market.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
And no, no, he can be in the majors.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Also, if we're just talking about the All Star Game
as an entertainment product, put.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
A bill, Chris mod in it. That's what the people
want to see. That's it.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
That'll take us to our game. All right, nice short one,
so you can get back to your your phone, Jeff,
this is AKA we'll both do at the same time.
We were doing letters in and oh all right, so
you ready. Neither of you are ready?

Speaker 4 (55:33):
I'm ready?

Speaker 2 (55:34):
All right. First one, Porterhouse, water House. This one was given.
This nickname was assigned by Adrian Beltrey.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
He played for a lot of teams.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
He did play for a lot of not as much
of a hint as you'd think.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
It's got to be like a thinking like.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
I feel like Adrian probably the order hitter, right, it's guy.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Yeah, but like and through I wonder if Adrian Beltray
maybe has the record for most nicknames assigned. I have
no idea whether I can confirm this, but it feels good.
It feels like a good stat's given up. Yeah it is.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
It is.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Indeed, an ya guy, it is Mike Napoli, the one
year a lap there so big sweat.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
My mind immediately went to Freddy Garcia Big.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
There's a lot of yeah, a lot of pictures. I
feel like sweating is something that pictures should be more
known for. Like we talk about the ground. This one's
a tough one, but I thought Craig would get it.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Oh mm hmm, Yeah, it seems familiar to me. I
feel like we're gotten. We've gotten so much worse at
these it feels.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Like it feels like they've gotten harder too. Like I
feel like I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
There's just like the word to point in the alphabet to.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Jesse Rosco.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Is Jimmy Nelson.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I don't.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
I'm not going to pretend I understand the nickname for him,
but I have been to his baseball reference page and.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Right and you see that next one, puff, I don't Yeah,
you guys are gonna get this one. This is an
interesting one, but you're not going to get especially it's
like a puff the magic like it's no, no, it's
more like it is was explained by Yes, a puff
of smoke, not about being fast, but I'm disappearing.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Oh yes, So I also feel like Patrick has found
the most esoteric ones that we're like, we're just I could.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Do the eighteen guys name like like Slab or something like.
You know, they have to have to be you know, unique,
if somewhat unique. Anyway, Puff is Greg Nettles of the
Padres or this is when he got it basically, Apparently,
the story is that Nettles would like to play practical
jokes and then would disappear and Puff smoke. There's also

(58:19):
a story I read online about Nettles and Gossage and
you know, like the Templeton we're taking the rookies out
one one spring, they took them all out to dinner,
and as the as the check appeared, Nettles just disappeared,
and Gossage said, this is why we call him Puff,

(58:39):
and Gossage had it paid the whole check, which is fine,
all right, Number four Big Christmas. Yeah, it's correct. An
actual new one, The Tornado, the only picture named the Tornado,
which a little surprise is.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
Core James honestly took me too long, ye get there.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Neither of you get this all left hander the only
the only pitcher in the Fall Reference nicknamed all left
hander left hander. Yeah, you won't know.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
It feels like a like a like a Christy Matthewson,
like era twenties.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeah close, it's not twenties. It's it's fifties, fifty six.
It's Joe nuxll Oh sure, only pitched to thirty seven.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Well, no, if the it's like calling the if they
calling the fact I slim, right, he came it fourteen.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Yeah, he came up left. Yeah, and so yeah, I
don't know. I don't know if they called him that
at the time or if they called him that later,
because he did stick around for like twenty years. But
you know, it's just funny. Uh, the Warrior, the only
the Warrior.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Apparently I now have that song in my head for
the rest of the day.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Thanks, you're welcome. This is a generic name for a
generous player. I think this is fitting.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Joe Orselac the generic player.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah, because the almost a little too almost too generic
to get a nickname.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Yeah, I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
It is Paul O'Neal.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Okay, they're not familiar.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Yeah, no, why would you be Why would you think
about paulon neal in twenty twenty five. At all, he's
just like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Like, he doesn't seem like a guy though. I don't
would have a nickname either. Yeah, he's just always called
He's always referred to it as his full name, right, correct?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Ye? Yeah, yeah, Paul O'Neil Uh final boss.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Oh yeah, how have I forgotten his name already?

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Oh my god, it's such a good name. It's like
one of my favorite nicknames.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
Sasaki. No, No, that's zero ship, it's Suzuki.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
No, it's n and oh for starters.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
Great point, great point.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Oh, it's I have I have completely blanked on his name.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
I hate. I'm so mad.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
You're literally said.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Because he has another good nickname too, said.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
He does have another. He does have another good name.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
We talked when they signed him. We talked about how
good his nicknames were.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
No, I remember that, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Don't know why. His other nickname is stone Buddha.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Stone Buddha. Yeah, two games, two great nicknames. I completely
blanked on his name.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Yeah it is, Oh it is all right. The next
one great nickname again? Uh, secret weapon too good a nicknames?
I think like it is is It's been used twice.
If you get either of them, I will be shocked.

(01:01:40):
But both of these are an excellent nickname applied to
the wrong player. Nothing. It starts with ooh, he I'll
give a hit. Both of these players were known for
being pinch hitters slash utility players.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
Was my guess was a but I couldn't think of
anyone with en or oh that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
And Tony LaRussa loved this guy, loved him. It is
Jose Kendo. Oh uh huh, yeah, one of the one
of the players to play every every position in the game,
which he did in nineteen.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
A third base coach. Now, isn't he still.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Think he he was Arnoles for a while, and I
think everyone all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Let's see Jose Kendo is Yeah, I know he's well
maybe he just says Wikipedia says he rejoined in twenty seventeen.
You know that. It just hasn't been updating. Yeah, nobody,
nobody age. All right, So Craig is one. We've only
got one more and he's up to nothing. But master Melvin.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
No, no, it's not Melvin Morreck. That's a How many Melvins?
Could there possibly be a couple? Yeah, more than one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
One of them. One of them was one of them
was master.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Mhm, mister Melvin.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
And I checked this because I do not think of
this player by this nickname, but I typed the nickname
in and it's all this player like he's this is
as famous as nickname is apparently because.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
I just think like Melvin Mora and Melvin Upton's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Yeah, yeah, neither neither, which you know particularly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
No, no, not even in the fact, had his own
separate nickname.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Yes, I got nothing, all right, Well, his nickname is
it's the nickname of Melott Hall of Famer Mellot.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
This is his first name, actually, Melvin.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
I think it is. Let's see, let's see Melott, Uh,
Melvin Thomas Ott. Yeah. Okay, So one last before we go,
one more nickname that I even even more obscure in
these that I wanted to share with you. Talking in
the great nicknames for people who did not necessarily deserve them.

(01:04:06):
Dan O'sinsky was a reliever for like random teams in
the sixties. He pitched for the Athletics, Angels, Astros when
none of those teams were very good. Nicknamed the Silencer,
and man, what a great yes it is apparently he
earned it. Like what I love about that era is

(01:04:27):
that you didn't have to be good to get that nickname,
because you could have gotten that nickname when you were
nineteen in like single a as long as the sports writer
and that that town was a good sports writer, right
and came up with good nicknames, and we don't. So
he apparently got that nickname in the PCL and even though,
like you know, he was fine. He was, he was
a perfectly serviceable middle believer for eight years or whatever,

(01:04:50):
but he gets to be the silencer.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I just want to say, well, looking up the Cardinals
coaching staff just to see if Folkendo was on it.
Brandon Allen, assistant hitting coach, remembering some guys that's that's
like the last guy I remember getting like a free
like a hashtag free.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
This name, Yeah about him? Maybe Kyle Blanks. I don't know.
I don't remember who came who who was first?

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Honestly, all right, well, thank you Patrick for that game.
I'll take a win. Congres as ugly as it may be.
I'll take a win. Thank you to our listeners for
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