Five and Dive, Episode 475: Going to Georgia

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to episode four seventy five of five and Dive.
It is Thursday, July seventeenth. I am your host, Craig
Gold's name, joined as usual by Patrick Dubuk and Jeffrey
Batter in Nostro. I'm going to start off with banter
today because it's my birthday. I can start off if
I want to. I'm also the host, so really I
nominally control the control the flow of the show. My

(00:35):
update is I went to the show I discussed on
the last podcast. It was delightful, had an absolute great time,
as I expected I would. I did find out because
I sent a note to Sam Miller because he and
I talk music a little bit and it is also
his birthday. Happy birthday, Sam, that I was going to

(00:57):
the show, and he said something about, like Guster seems
not in a in a place with these bands, and
I was confused because I was like, well, Guster's not
there much as I love Guster. As I discussed on
the last part, they opened for the bar naked Ladies
on the show I missed, but apparently they are. The
poster does show Guster like even with Sugar ray on

(01:17):
like in the the pilling, so I guess maybe they
they split shows or whatever where Sugar, I can't do something.
I gotta tell you. Mark McGrath was a dang delight.
I'm not entirely surprised because I've heard on SI he
has a show on Sirius XM that he like hosts
uh for two hours or whatever, and and I've enjoyed

(01:39):
him there. But the man seems extremely genuine and pure,
like he he literally he literally was like thank you
to Bear Naked Ladies for selling this show out, so
like you're all here to see me. Uh like, but
thank you, thank you to them because you're really here
to see them, like outed out the roadies by name,

(02:02):
the venue crew, like like made sure to hit every
single person like.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
This nineties banned Like oh, he.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Said, like you we're in the nineties too. Like it
was like everyone there was very self aware of what.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Was and like like everyone loves the eve six guy
now too because he's like a real poster.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
So it's the same time, well he is and what
I love you, sis, but but also, uh, I gotta
tell you, like the crowd skewed older than me, which
I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah I would, I would think, so are more like
mid nineties.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I say older than Jeff. I don't. I don't mean you, right,
I mean older than Patrick. There was a lot of
gray hair, there were There were a lot of people
who I would say, if they're if they weren't, they
very much could have been grandparents.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
I mean, to be fair, if I had hair, a
lot of it would be great hair.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean I have great hair.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah. But Patrick, I'm telling you, I can see you
right now, and I saw them. Yeah, all right, right,
you skewed older. It was just it's a little bit
of a surprise, that's all. I thought I would see
a lot more people kind of in.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Our geriatric geriatric millennials.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, yes, yeah, exactly. Uh so, you know that was
that was very it was. It was a great show.
They all seem like a lot of genial people. It
was very nice. Yeah, I know. My only disappointment I
told this to Patrick. They did not play It's All
Been done. Those are not the only song I really
wanted to hear that that they didn't get.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
To How many how many actual songs? Was the Fastball set?

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Five?

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Okay? Did you how many of them? Did you know? Three?
It because it's not a bad ratio.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
The other ones weren't bad either. I enjoyed them, you know,
I was like, oh, this is in eric nineties rock. Yeah,
this is great. I also, like repeatedly think Fastball is
a Canadian band, but they.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Are from all Yeah. I can see why you think that.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
They are from Austin, Texas. They're like, they're like the
inverse Jamison ti On seems like he's from Texas but
is secretly Canadian. Sure, yeah, I h yeah. They played
twenty five minutes maybe total.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
That's fine for it. You don't want more than that
a Fastball.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
I feel like, well, Sugar Red played maybe about forty
and honestly, if you had asked me how many songs
Sugar Ray had going in, I would have said like two,
and then I was like, oh, I know like five
of these and uh and they were good. He's a
real the real entertainer. I wasn't gonna say about them. Yeah,

(04:48):
I don't know. I lost it, very very nice.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Also, it just went right into every Morning, like right
off the bat or whatever, like or maybe it was
one of their other other songs that I'm not remembering
now but I did at the time, but like went
right into two of their biggest hits, straight off the top,
and I thought, this guy knows what needs to be done. Anyway,
that's my banter, Jeffrey, you had a little bit.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, I have a musical banter of a slightly different milieu.
It is the twentieth anniversary of Boris's Pink album. Boris
is a Japanese like super heavy sledge metal band. Of course, yeah,
I love that album. I own it non vinyl. And
they are playing Salt Lake City in November in like

(05:35):
the tiniest, lowest ceiling venue possible. So I'm like, can
I do this as a forty three year old? I
have like professional earplugs, like studio earplugs I can wear,
but they're known for being like one of the loudest bands.
Like just the bass is literally going to like vibrate
my entire body. And it is the night the day

(05:57):
before Thrice plays Hi Riley that I'm also going to,
so it's just going to completely destroy my ear drums
all weekend. I need like the you know, like the
giant ear protectors you get for like infants.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, for kid Yeah, I saw a kid. There was
one kid I saw.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I think I'm going to need that for the weekend. Yeah,
like between the Boris thrice and like I have to
go and see that live at least once. But it's
just going to be like physically painful.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
When when is this when I'm not going to have
you schedu for week off November Sember? Yeah, oh good,
you're not busy in November.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Well, I like, it doesn't matter if I can hear
or not. I'm just writing.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
I feel like you're Jeff. I feel like your back
might be in bad shape. But at some point here.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Like so the venue you said, yeah, no, it's all
both these venues are all standing thrice. Thrice is funnily
playing the same venue my kid had her dance recital
at Oh perfect yeah when they did the Nutcracker there,
and it is just like a giant warehouse, also an
all standing. It's a lot of standing for me. I

(07:09):
don't enjoy standing anymore. But the years are probably the
bigger problem there.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, all right, should we get to the show. Why not?

Speaker 4 (07:20):
I mean, I've got a little week. We can talk
about a post time made once. I just want to
I just want to bring up at eleven forty five
at night the other night because I'm very good at posting.
I made it a semi fun fact, and I just
want to talk about how not fun this fun fact is.
I was looking up because of Miserowski in the in
the Ulscar game. I was looking up the twenty twenty
two draft, of which Miserrioski is a member, and what

(07:44):
I found is that zach Neto has a career reference
war of nine point nine, and every other member of
the draft so far has a reference war of six
point four. So he is currently at sixty percent, which
is probably lower than it used to be because Netto
got such a head started everybody else. But I was
interesting looking at that draft. It's not really a surprise

(08:07):
that the third round has outperformed the first round and
second round so far, but it is surprising I think
a little bit that the first round has like the
same number of players graduating as every other round. I
think it's nine to the first round, nine for the
second round, seventh for the third round. The first round
has a negative two combined war other than Neto, Kumar Rocker,

(08:28):
brooks Lee, Tom Harrington, Jordan Beck, and Jase Young, Jay
Young all negative, Kate Horton also negative. Only three positive
members of the twenty twenty two first round draft so far.
And one of those positive people is Cole Young, who
I am shocked as a positive.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
War and he just hit a homer. Oh, he just
hit a ball one hundred and thirteen miles an hour.
Somebody told me that in the chat yesterday.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
I'm sure it was straight into the ground.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
It's nice, No, it's only it's.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Just just kind of an interesting that draft not looking great.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
It's early, it's it is early.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Not seeing a lot of names on the the mid
season fifty on this.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
So yeah, I was gonna say a lot of those
guys are like barely in the majors.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Right, Oh yeah, sure, you know, well you know Jackson Holiday, Yeah,
I mean Holiday is five hundred and thirty eight at bats.
Lee's four hundred and fifty two. Beck has four and
eighty one. Like we're getting to the point where you know.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Has like does he even have ten starts? No?

Speaker 4 (09:36):
He has eleven?

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Oh okay, so.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Yeah, no, it's all that's why it's not quite a
fun fact. This isn't not real yet, but it's just.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
No, he has ten starts.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
We are we are essentially at the point where this
is in range of becoming a fun fact. Let's put
it this way. It is possible that this fact becomes fun.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
All right to the show proper. It should be a
it should I hesitate to say this, but it should
be a fast one. Not that much has happened. It's
it's a relatively dead week in baseball. I will start
out with our first segment. Hey, now you're an all star.
We can start with the home run derby. Uh, the
big dumper. Yeah, I gotta tell you, I just said it.

(10:23):
I don't. I'm gonna be honest. He doesn't like it.
I don't like it.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
I don't know. He doesn't seem thrill.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Well, I maybe I don't know if I like it
or not. I can tell you this. I'm tired of it.
I am not enamored of it.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, it's I think it's like I feel like the
real baseball SI goes like us have been hearing it for.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Four years now, Like, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Right, but it feels like it's because he's been, you know,
one of the best players in baseball this year, even
though he plays in Seattle. It's come to more national attention, right,
But it does definitely feels like the like the ten
year old learning his first swear word kind of thing
like oh, it's like oh big Dalua is about his thought.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, there is a level of an amusement with it
that I I just did not hardwired to it.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
It's a very impressive home run derby, Beerfore saying like
it wasn't like the level of consistency he had compared
to like he obviously didn't. It wasn't as spectacular as
like some of the O'Neal Cruise rounds and Junior Caminero rounds,
but just everything pull side at twenty seven degrees to
be to varying degrees of distance over and over again,

(11:43):
which is fine, Like I don't it was. It was
a fun home run derby. I have to say I
watched most of it actually, and yeah, like I really
the ONEO Cruise sitting it five hundred feet repeatedly, it
was that's why you put him in the derby. That's
why you put him the derby. Right, Great, they couldn't
they couldn't film it properly. Still they still have not
figured out how to.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
I will tell you my wife loves the home run derby,
just a complete baseball normy who just loves watching the
big butte big guys hit home runs. Yeah, I put
on the regular ESPN feed, thinking the stack cast one
would be a little too much. And we were both like,

(12:24):
this camera work is a freaking disaster and she and
she goes, I just want to see the full flight
path of the They were like, you know, she was like,
you know golf, not that we watched.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
She was like, they show the tail trailer, the little tracker,
and she was like, why.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Aren't they doing that? And I said, let me look
at the stat cast broadcast. Yeah, I put it on
that and it's just the wide angle over top with
with the trails, and she was like, this is exactly.
This is all I want. Like they the thing is
they have figured it out. They will not do it
on the normal broadcast, right, I don't it was significant.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
They won't even like and like usually you can tell
off the bat if it's a home run or not,
but something they just wouldn't cut, so like they just
stay on the bat. I'm like, I don't think that's
a home run, but maybe I gotta.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Tell you, Like it's not that easy to tell in general,
But what I like, I don't remember if they did
it on the original one or not, but the stack
cast one they were very often not for every swing,
but flashing up the exit below and launch angle. Yeah,
that helps me be like, Okay, this has a real
this should go whatever. You know, this is going to

(13:31):
be close whatever, And I could just know whether I
should pay attention to the that like flight path or not.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
We're missing the best part of all the Homer Derby,
which is kids biffing in the outfield one.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I was worried that, like I was worried on Neil
Cruz was gonna hurt I was worried on Neil Cruz
was going to hurt people on the balcony of the restaurant.
The kids in the outfield hit one that the most.
I mean, Cruise hitting it like basically out of the
stadium was very impressive. Kemanaro hit one four point thirty
directly down the line like that's like incredibly hard to do.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yep, Yeah, caman Aro was impressive. Do we need to
talk about the uh, the tiebreaker for Brent Rooker? Yeah,
I mean I could have could have been caman Aro's
show because Roley almost didn't move on.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I mean, look, we all know what the margin of
error on this kind of stuff is Oh.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Sure, look, don't you just do like the false precision.
It's what we have. They should not be using it.
I mean, like I don't care.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
I mean, if you're gonna if you don't want to
do it, if you because of TV, like what you
can just do like the three swing thing. It's a
thing like they did for the game.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
That yeah, go ahead, they should absolutely do that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
But if you're not going to do that, like just
do total distance at least, then you're kind of like budgeting.
Yeah that's a good.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
I didn't even have the same amount of home runs obviously,
so it's like, no, that's a good.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, why long it it is?

Speaker 4 (15:01):
It isn't It is a a fun dumb thing. Also,
cam Rawley got a million dollars, which is, you know,
enough for him to not have to do three local
television advertisements like plumbing companies and stuff, which is what
he's kind of doing right now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I mean like literally would have been more than Junior
Camonaro makes all year, right.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yes, no, right, well, and I understand. Look, I applaud
them for putting the money rewarding as a way to
incentivize these guys to do it. I think they deserve it.
It's it's honestly, it's better than the All Star Game,
et cetera. But like I also, like I recognize it
is still just like a derby, like it's not it
is an exhibition. So like I don't care that much.

(15:43):
I don't. I don't care what the tie break is,
right like whatever they like.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, like you can do it, like it's not gonna
be like obviously they just swing off for Soto against Otani.
But this was you know, Brent Roker and cal Rally
not one.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
So yeah, right, look they again, I I Karen in
so far as like there is a better answer than this,
But I.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Also don't think it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Otherwise, Yeah I don't. I mean, sure it was. It
was good. Also, like as much as like Roley skated
by on that you know, false precision like he had
some monster.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
He also like never he never gassed like hit to
get tired.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
And he did not. Yeah, yeah, very very impressive. I also,
you know, nice moment for the hometown fans. I know
Olsen was a replacement for Kunya and he started off terribly,
but he had a nice like post time out run.
Uh yeah, I know it. It was a good it
was a good show. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Then we got home run Derby Park two because there
there was an All Star game ye that featured six
runs sports consecutively and then six runs scored consecutively by
each team or unanswered whatever. I was in and out
of the All String Game. I watched some of it.
I watched schemes.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
We talked on Monday about it was a constant in
game interview put it. Yeah, well Jacob Mizierowski and over
Randy Rodriguez and they should just pitched Jacob Migierowski in
the seventh instead of the three relievers they used.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
But yeah, I missed the comeback.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
It's like whatever, it's you know, it's an exhibition. The
the hormone Derby tyber. The tyber was find. It was
like a lot of like the players were into it too,
the ones who weren't already on a plane somewhere.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Well, I also like, I'm a little confused about something
because Dave Roberts was like, well he loves to lie,
which he was like, oh, I just informed Kyle Stowers.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
But then it came out after that. They had to
submit the names the day before.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Because Kyle scours.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Oh so he told the league but not.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Possibly.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Okay, they talked to.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
These guys like I just can't like, look, you kind
of know how you're going to manage the game, right,
so you know who's still going to be in it late, right.
I did love the quote.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Nice move to have Kyle Schwore were available.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yes, well, like they still like there's like because the guys, well,
a lot of the guys fly out right, so like
it's Pee Alonzo like already in like street clothes or whatever,
and then just cuts to him in the basement, just
like taking swings when I went within one rod. Yeah,
it's very very much had the feeling of like some
of those old like nineties w w E shows when

(18:33):
like stone coll will get arrested at the beginning and
then come back in the police car like still handcuffed.
It's like just like pet Alanzo driving back from the
airport was just like a bag of baths trying to
get back for the for the home run derby. The
thing I understand is so obviously there's the guys that

(18:54):
were still in the game other than Alonso and like
like Bobby Wait afterwards liked it looked like fun. It
would have been nice to be asked they used Jonathan Ronda, Like.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Why why didn't they use Jonathan Ronda?

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I don't know, like I make I assume that, Like
was like, I'm tired, I don't really want to find.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Seeing a stadium full of people say him.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
All at once, and like he he got into two
of them really good. It just didn't get it, just like, yeah,
they died.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
It was a lot like and look, he obviously has
more power than than the guy I'm about to say,
But it was I had a running joke with Austin
Barnes where it was like he got all of it
two ft whut Like.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
See the first one he swung, I'm like, oh, that's
got a chance, and then it.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Just like it wasn't that one wasn't even close. Yeah,
then he he hit one that was just shy. Yeah
it was I mean a foot too low. Yeah, hit
the bricks or whatever.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Like Bobby Whit is right there and wants to do it.
Like just you didn't ask Bobby Whit you got your
first threes at the end of the you have to
submit it.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Just say hey, Bobby, you're right. It's a fucking exhibition matter,
like the rules are made up.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Everyone's going to storm out in the field be like no,
this isn't doesn't count.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
They're using abs like Dave Roberts is pulling pictures after
two out and two.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Batters, like we're doing hom r and Derby distances is
the sixteenth.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
It doesn't just say Bobby, you're in. It's fine, it's fine.
But it was that, Look, that was a nice way
to end it. I don't want to do I don't know.
I don't really want to do discourse on like people
were like, we should never have extra innings again. It
would lose a lot of luster folks, Like we've seen
this in shootouts in the NHL. It's not like it's fine.

(20:38):
I don't care. I don't like extra innings as they are.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
It's more like soccer penalty kicks, which are fine, like yeah, yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
But shootouts used to be relatively and then it was
like okay, now it's all the time, and it's like whatever, yeah,
I don't I don't care. I mean, the the Kyle
Schwarber part was extremely I mean, just three swings absolute
but like the first one was just a missile. Yeah,
I was disappointed. Not to not to see uh I'm sure,

(21:11):
yeah yeah, but also like it did just remind me
that Kyle Stowers aside, not that he would be a
bad pick, but like I just went into this thinking
like the All Stars are just much deeper than the
al and like again, even if you're saying Kyle Sowers first,
Jonathan Ronda, like, it's the difference here. Uh yeah, I

(21:35):
don't know that. That's all I got in the All
Star game because I see the game interviews I was
sick of. Look, I love Joe Davis, but I'm not
here to see Joe Davis talk to players like burnish
the game that's happening, even if it's a fake game,
Like I don't they.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Don't have any idea how to do it like a
broadcast like this, right, like if they don't.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Clayton Kershaw's two batters were fine, and I think part
of that was because Davis and Kershawn know each other
because of Davis's other job, right like as the Dodgers broadcaster.
Everyone else was just like from what from the ones
I heard, like Trek Scoubell and cal Raley were like

(22:16):
I said this online, but they're like I'm trying to
do my job.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
They were Yeah, they were in the anti Mark McGrath.
They were just not interested in the showmanship at all.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Correct, which is fine. They were doing something else. Like
I said this online, but like, the only idea sports
TV execs have had for or at least baseball ones
have had for twenty five years, is what if we
talk to people in the middle of them doing their
job and they and like, the results is always this

(22:46):
person being like, hold on, gotta do my job.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Like literally, melas show you trying to get me to
talk about the draft that I'm texting about.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
My Job's complicated doing two jobs at once.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yes, yeah, it's hard. Yeah, it's a difficult thing to
pull off. And like, especially when you're exerting yourself. Yes,
doesn't I'm not. I'm not exerting myself. I'm just sitting
here right here.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
No.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
No, but you know, Sarah Scoobless as.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Not the most ergonomic chair in the world.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
I'll be if I'm honest, though Sidney Bergen's article pointed,
I was like launching himself self like a trebuche and
it's like, hey, how's it go. It's like you just
hear like a grunt or like exhalation or whatever.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Pekrow Armstrong had to apologize because he was panting too much,
like running after a ball. He didn't even actually have
to make a play on. He's just like, well, you know,
this is what it should feel like. I guess if
you want to feel like you're really there, that's what.
That's what being really there is, like, right it is.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
That's the other thing, like as much standing around as
there is, Like they run a lot, they do stuff.
It's time.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Sure, it's like it's Atlanta in July. I'm sure it's
a little humid.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
I continue not to understand if you're gonna do subject
people to an in game and interview, like well, not
even in game, but like an interview during the game.
They should be cutting stuff either between innings or before
the game and then just like edit it and package
it for like here's some things we talked about that
we're interesting, and run it during the game with the

(24:20):
game going on. That's fine to me, Like that would
be I don't know that I want it, but it
would be an improvement.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
I you know. Ironically, I started writing an article that
will be released before this podcast gets out tomorrow. Uh,
And I had not. I had forgotten about the ultra
game and was already writing about in interviews and why
I don't. I just don't like any interview ever, and
I I am alone, Like this is obviously everyone else does,

(24:48):
or enough people do that they exist. But I just
finished reading Red Barber's uh semi out of Bimi. I
have that on my shelf the broadcasters, and it's it's fine,
It's but like he makes an excellent argument that I
just don't get about how important interviewing, how you need
to know what the thoughts of the players are, and

(25:09):
I'm just like, I definitely don't need these thoughts.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
How do you feel about like bog up war or
Frost next one?

Speaker 4 (25:18):
You know, those are more interesting? But I think it's
because I don't know me. I guess the difference is
that the thing that they do in the baseball game
has already been done before, and we already know why
they have exactly the incentives they have to do the
things that they're doing, which sounds like we I'm reductive

(25:40):
about baseball analysis a little bit. But like you know,
with with other with artists or with you know, like
politicians or things, they are literally creating a new thing
on the fly, and you're like, why did you do that?
Whereas with baseball, it's like I put in the pinch hitter,
Why do you do that? We could probably figure it

(26:01):
out with you, you know, like we can we can
hit their savant page and figure it out real.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Quick, right, Like, I don't know somebody did not watch
a decade of the Terry Collins.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Meant, yeah, well then maybe there is that, right, But
it's just I don't know. I again, I'm wrong. I
just don't know why I'm wrong. I can't.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
I feel I'm going to spend my I think I
don't don't even know if people like this. It just
feels like a networking executive at some point decided they should.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Do this.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Because they have now everybody.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
As well as supposed to feel like, well, like, so I.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Think what people like is is knowing more. And look,
I also don't understand this, right, Like I don't understand
following athletes on Instagram. But I don't have Instagram. But
like even if I did, I wouldn't understand that, right,
I don't follow I don't follow athletes on social media
or whatever. But people do. They want to know more

(26:56):
about these people. And so I'm I'm not saying I
understand and I don't know that you're wrong, Patrick, but
I do think even if you could figure out what
someone was doing or or like the reasons, like a
lot of times we end up backfilling a reason that
isn't necessarily there, Whereas like I want to know I
want Dave Roberts to tell me what he was thinking,

(27:18):
because I don't want to give him too much credit,
you know what I mean, Yeah, or someone else like like,
oh it was a reverse split, No it wasn't. He
probably was, like you know, he smiled when he walked
in the clubhouse today, and so like I knew, And
it's like, well, I actually want to know if that's
your reason, right, that that is something I'm interested in,

(27:41):
Like are you thinking the same thing I'm thinking, because
like I have an answer, but is it your answer?
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
I just know that when Jason Adam relieved Clayton Kershaw,
I want to know, going with a theme on that, Yeah,
I know these guys too well already.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
No, And I agree with no, like absolutely, and and
I'm I'm still with you, like I especially don't need
to know in the game. But I understand in terms
of Red Barber or some of these other guys, like
especially you, Like you got to understand like Barber, who
obviously been Scully trained, under like they told stories during

(28:22):
the game, and broadcasters don't do that so much, so
like it's maybe less important for them. But but when
when you were alone, when you were Barber wasn't always alone.
He often I mean Scully was like the third man
in that booth originally, Like they they talked to the crowd,

(28:43):
like the crowd like they were the bar right, they
were telling the story of around the game and filling
in the space with information about these guys. So I
do understand somewhat from his perspective, like I need to
know stuff to talk to tell these stories. I'm not

(29:03):
simply calling the game. I'm I'm you know, hopefully enthralling
an audience. It's different now, obviously.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
I think it is a little different now. Oh, I
think the Barber definitely thought of himself as a reporter first. Yeah,
and that's why he ends up getting fired by the
Yankees because he did a little too good at reporting
about the post sixty four Yankees, and like that job
has been uploaded to other people now and now it's dying, right,
the broadcasters just still around. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Part of it. It's offloaded to other people. I was
gonna say, even on the broadcast, right, it's like there's
a there's a reporter, and it's they just say like,
how did that feel?

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yeah, it's like, well, I will continue to sortain my
feelings about it for the next twenty or thirty years.
And my first attempt and my next attendtive will come
out on Friday, so I can't wait to read it.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
All.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Right, let's go to our second topic. Hey, what what
would you do? We're on the Boston Red Sox. This
was this was my article Deadline dreaming. Boy, the Red Sox. Guys,
they're they're so so. I wrote their preview as well,
and we talked about it on the podcast. I said,

(30:17):
I thought this team had a chance to be the
most complete team uh in the ale East. By the
end of the season. They are not. So they're on
a ten game win streak. Still, they're not the most
complete team. They're the same amount somehow, despite trading devors like,

(30:37):
they are the same amount of uh like. They still
have the same amount of overflow and like mismatched roster
that they did before.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
Well, your shoot is back, so you know DHS.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Right, Your shoet is back, Bregman is back, Anthony is
op which he wasn't, but Cam down. But Campbell could
play second whereas I mean he could at least stand
at second, whereas Anthony can't. I don't. I don't really
know what to do with this team, in part because
and this is the problem I feel like we keep
running into on this series. Patrick, We've now done have

(31:15):
done three of them. You've done the Blue Jays and
the the Tigers, and I did the Red Sox. Like
the market is empty, Like how do you solve second base?
You mentioned the ariases for third base for the Tigers.
I had to bring them up for second base for

(31:38):
the Red Sox. There's no I mean, like, name a
second baseman who's out there? You can't say Adam Fraser,
not that you'd want to, but he got traded already.
I mean, like, who is it? I think like a
great fit would be like Gavin lux As alongside platoon
bat to split with romeing Gonzalez.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
This sounds depressing, Yeah, it's also probably not feasible because
the Reds are three.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
The Reds are three games over five hundred, Why would
they do that? But like, I don't know where else
to go? First, they also need a first basement. Abraham
Toro has a sub six hundred OPS over his last month,
which should that actually drives a lot more than his
season to date. You know, Josh Naylor probably available, and yeah,

(32:27):
and he's a rental Ryan O'Hearn that's in division. But again,
Michael Lias, as long as it makes more sense than
it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
See I just saw this. Apparently Ryant is head to
tell his parents to stop sending him Ryano hurt in
trade rumors. I feel like as appeared like game, please
stop doing this.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Yeah, I mean, right now, we have eleven teams with
a sub ten percent playoff odds. Nineteen teams are theoretically
still like I don't know how many you consider a
twelve percent team, right Arizona has eleven point three and
we're considering them to be sellers. But like they're not
out of it by any means. They could even still,

(33:09):
they could even win six in a row and be
in it before the deadline. Of those eleven teams, like
six of them have nobody to trade right.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Right, and one of them is the Rockies, who won't
trade the guys they have.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, yeah, in this case, we're going to trade for
from the Rockies, like McMahon, is the answer, Like his contract,
he's been not that good. Well, yeah, he's been a
really bad start and he was a little bit better
for a little bit. I haven't checked on his recent
I'll check right now.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
It's not. It's not.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
They have like Halverson and Tyler Kinley.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
And Ryan mcma as well as the teams have that
they're trying to He had been better and he's got
a sub five hundred ops over his last month, so
worse than Abraham Toro. Yes, exactly, he's not an upgrade
at the moment, let alone worrying about his salary. The
A's don't really have much other than than an US,

(34:04):
but they're not designed to be the the Athletics like
basically just their next core coming and they've got some
expensive rights.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
And none of these none of these teams did like
the NATS thing where they sign a bunch of one.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Year get jamrk.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Clandelario's right naturally have Josh Bell, but he's had the
bad Josh Bell half in the first half this year.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Right, So yeah, it's it's a good exercise Craigan. Unfortunately,
I don't know the right here for it. Yeah, it
is just running into what I mean, maybe.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
A little bit, but.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
Uh, there's no Garrett Cruche. There's no there's no like
when I did the Blue Jays, you know, one of
the commenters is like, this team already has three average starters,
but they need is an ace, And I'm like, well, yeah,
who's your ace. I mean, you could pry out Mackenzie
Gore maybe, but like you're dealing with the ownership group
that you are a new a new gym that like, yeah,
he just got his job last Week's probably not trading

(35:03):
McKenzie Gore immediately, right, I was.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Gonna say, well, that's I was gonna say, Mackenzie Gore
probably is the Crochet, except Crochet was definitely almost definitely
getting dealt. And like they don't like the Nationals as
much as we've talked about them, and like they're they're weird.
Spot are in a much more competitive position than or

(35:27):
like potentially competitive position in the next season or two
than the White Sox.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
Well, yeah, like I.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Can be pessimistic about those chances, but like the White
Sox were in the midst of the midst of one
of the losiness seasons of all time, and like the Nationals,
as bad as they are are, not that and have
like they have James Wood right right, and and the
White Sox did not. Yeah, it's just I think what's
just weird about this team to me is is like

(35:58):
they made a massive change that kind of changed nothing.
You know, I don't know, you would have thought they
were going to do something in the outfield to help
second base or first base, right, but or or the
pitching staff. I mean, the other part is the pitching,

(36:20):
and they like somehow addressed none of that. That's that's
the weirdest part to me. And I don't know, I
you know, I think everyone kind of feels good about
Boston right now. They've been you know, like Trevor Story

(36:42):
is hitting. That's how you get a ten game win streak, right, like,
whenever it all goes right, But there's going to be
a time like Walter Buehler still takes the ball one
out of every five starts and Hunter Dobbins is hurting now, Yeah,
like then the guys who are not there and look

(37:03):
Lucas Giolito again, I refer to Sidney Bergman's piece is
is a C plus student talking his way into an A.
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Brian Bayo is out. Brian Bayo is out performing his peripherals.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, I mean I I was proud of the line
I put in there on on Brian Beyo, which is
like his his uh, his one point two seven whip
is standing over the shoulder of his three point whatever
e r A, staring dead into the camera at every opportunity.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Like the it's the undertaker aj styles meme.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Definitely.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah, yes, that's exactly what it is. And it's like
it's it's also look, Brian Bao is always gonna have
like a fip higher than his e r A because
he's a soft contact guy. Right, maybe a little maybe
this is a little more.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Than like he's getting ground balls, but he's going at that. Man,
it's a good ground ball rate. It's not like a
lad yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Right, And and and the thing is like that the
whip is not sure. You know, we're not doing groundbreaking
work with whip here. But like the reason I'm using
it is because like they're they're they're hits, like, these
are guys on base, right, this isn't it? Like I
don't even you don't even need to go that granular
to say like he's getting a lot of guys on
base and then they're not scoring.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
A huge strikeout.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yeah, two to one strike is a two to one
strike at a walk. It's just good.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
And again, like the pitching market is bad, right, Like
I'm not. I don't envy Craig Breslo in this. I
don't see an easy fix, right, And and the funny
part is, like the reason that I said that they
could be the most complete team is because they had
the means to make big moves if they need to.
But like, there's no big move to make right now.

(38:53):
I just, uh, yeah, we're going.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
We're going. We've gone. Like everyone's been talking about how
it's a seller's market, like, but no, there's no market.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
There's no market.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
There's no market.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah, I think that's right, we're gonna have I think
it's just gonna be a quiet deadline because there's just
gonna be that there won't be that many people.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
I mean, I guess the advantage the Red Sox have
is they've already like made up a lot of the
gap they had here, and all the other teams in
this division are in the same spot you need to
trade for in a row.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
And it also helps that every single other team in
this division has lost at least.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
To the Blue just finished their ten streak right like
they just had it, you know, half a week earlier. Correct,
Like they've got this Burrio Scotsman, Gosman Bassett rotation. Like
that's not better than Boston's.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Oh, I mean it is. I mean the first three well,
but I think they're back.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Crochet is so much better than any that. The difference
is that if you know, like we're at the point
where if Toronto needs a fifth starter, like they've got
Eric Lauer, who's like, you know, I don't get whatever.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Somehow he's yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
Eric Loward does not have a two to one strikeout
to walk Ratio. It's a three point six. It's they
have choices, right, They've got who may or may not
be going, and the ultimately culture is consistent.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
You're right they are. They are nowhere near Cruschet on
the on the production front. But like you you feel
better about know when you're gonna get like six ish
innings and a few a couple of runs, so if
you hit, you can do it. Like you don't know, Yeah,
start is coming, well, Bueler, you know it's coming. Ian Buler.

(40:37):
Predictable but bad. Yeah, I mean I think I talked
about this on the pod a while back. But like Seth,
Lugo to me is maybe the best fit out here.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Well, the Royals are buyers, so.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Os are buyers. Yeah yeah, I mean again, like Lugo
is a rental. The Royals are three games under five hundred. Yeah,
despite set being seven and three in the last ten,
like they have a negative run differential. They can't hit.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Well, guess what. That's why they traded for Adam Fraser.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
That'll solve it. Yeah, you know, Lugo is is essentially
a rental because of his opt out or his his
player option. I think he upgrades this rotation in a way. Again,
you push Gilito slash Bayo back when and all of
a sudden like Okay, your fifth starter's Walker Bueler and

(41:29):
he's bad or someone else and they're bad, but like
that's your fifth starter.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Mhm.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
You know, I think that's a perfect thing. I don't
know what Seth Luga costs. Yeah, I mean, and again
I think they could go bigger fish hunting with Jared
Durant if they wanted to. But for whom, right, you know,
there's no one out there again, I don't even know,
Like you probably have to add to Durand to get Gore.

(42:03):
And I don't know why the Nationals would necessarily that.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Wasn't going to want someone with that another out year control.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Exactly right, So like it's just a week, it's it's yeah,
I don't know, I did, I did say in the
article do you need to add? I think the funniest
usage because Patrick made this joke and I was already
thinking of it. He made the joke and Slack and
I was already thinking it. Uh, it would be extremely
funny to dump Devers contract for for something that doesn't help,

(42:31):
doesn't really help the construction of the team, and then
just take on Marcus Semon the second basement.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
You know who the Royals should know? Who the Royal
should trade Chris Bubach. It's only a year plus left
now because of all the time he missed for Tommy John. Yeah,
he had a years of reliever.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Ye. That's tough because that's like your victory, that's your
big victory.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
That's the White Sox. Like the White Sox willed that
pill so on, you know, oh with like fetti crochet, right,
like fetti crochet, cease every single player on it.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's true. That's not a bad point.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Lucas Gilia doing extent. I know he's bad when they
traded him.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
But yeah, I mean I don't the big on it.
I do think the best usage of that money, by
the way, at this point might be training if you
can't get Lugo or whatever they're If Texas Fades is
trying to.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Get to grond Sure, I just don't think Texas is
gonna fade.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Off or Evaldi. I don't think they're gonna move either
one of those guys either. But like talk about improving
your rotation.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Right, literally, every time I look, Texas is one game
under a five hundred. And it's been that way for
like three months now.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, no, I agree, it's it's just the market. But
I just, uh, yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's a
tough one. I don't know. We we have this on
the Red Sox. We what we skipped the Blue Jays.
Do you want anything to say about the.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Blue Dave, I skipp the Blue Jays to the Blue
Dish just aren't interesting. So and again, everything you just
said about the Red Sox you can say about the
Blue Jays.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, yeah, down to like the moving PAGs, which are
maybe more right.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Yeah. And so that's why I floated the loose Robert thing,
rob like Robert's a weird trade game. I can't be
talking about some podcast on Monday. I can't remember, I
don't remember. But it's basically Robert's weird because he's a
buy now that you don't want to play now because
he wanted him to get fixed. But also if you
wait for him to get fixed, you now owe him
twenty to forty million dollars. The Blue Jays seem like

(44:34):
one of the few places where they can use him
but also not have to use him, because they've got
enough moving parts. You can just play Schneider and you
can play Bargarine left field. You could. You know, you've
got enough. You can move stuff around, uh in a
way that the Red Sox could also do, but they
also don't need to because they have too many outfielders,
whereas the Blue Jays just kind of can shift their

(44:56):
second basement to become outfielders. But otherwise, yeah, that's it.
It's kind of the same situation, right, they're they're they're
probably fine, but they probably should get a couple of
guys in case things don't not fine, but not they
don't need really a star at this point. They just
need more guys to fall back on.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, I mean, like I both agree, and also like
there's a lot of George Springer having a renaissance power
in this offense.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
Sure, I mean, but they also like the metrics back
him up, like he's he just it's not like he's
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
It's one of those like I'm not saying he's not
earning it, but I am saying I don't know how
much how long it's gonna last, right, or he could
And like he gets hurt in a Springer Springer gets
hurt sometimes.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
That's that's kind of the thing that he does. Yeah,
I mean they could, they could use more bodies.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yeah, all right, we can go to our third topic.
We already mentioned it, but uh, we can never be royals,
but he can. It's Adam Frazier, He's back. I do
want to note that JJ Piccolow was like even when
he wasn't performing, like he wasn't year no, or and
he's not now to be clear, but like we missed

(46:14):
his voice basically in the locker room.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
And I I.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Mean, I guess if that's what they need to fix
or part of one of the things they need to fix,
that's fine, but like you keep.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Probably not the most important thing they need to fix.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
No, they can't hit it. How does this solve anything?
I guess it saw maybe something in the locker room.
But like, yeah, I ah, this is a weird move.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I mean it is, and it isn't right.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
No, it is very fitting, but it's it's just I
guess it's a weird like first post All Star Break
deadline move, yes, like and Andrew Merns wrote about this
on the Transaction Analysis but like whly seventeenth, twenty eighteen,
the first move out of the break was the Dodgers
picking up Manny Machado.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Well, there's not Manly Machado available this year. There is
one Adam Fraser.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
There is one Adam Fraser, right, I just possibly.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
More than one Adam Fraser. Karret Hampson's about you for
another DFA, So is.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
He not playing well for Saint Louis. I have no
idea enticed by that fit. Uh yeah, no, I don't
gareb Ham cam Devaney, Devan Devaney, yeahvany.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
Eighteen plain appearances for Saint Louis. Too soon, Hotel seventh Strike.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Hotel one seventy six, two twenty two, two thirty five.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Yeah, it's probably not too soon. Tell my feeling about Frasier.
I this is not mathematical or anything, but like, I
find the twenty twenties Mariners second baseman situation very funny.
If you go back twenty twenty, it's shed Long. He
is now in the American Association. Twenty twenty one. Abraham

(47:59):
Torro is now the starting first basement for the you know,
for a playoff down Boston Red Sox twenty twenty two.
Adam Fraser apparently still in baseball and still playing for
the Royals twenty twenty three. Colton Long retired twenty twenty four.
Horia Planco now apparently at third basement. It's a it's
a weird it's a weird list of people. I just
can't believe that Adam Fraser's still here. Every other every

(48:23):
other Mariner second baseman has found a way to disappear,
or like he shouldn't he shouldn't still be here, like
he should be done like this, it's it's like it's
like reading a book and then just like you get
to the end of the book and suddenly another seventy
five pages just appear at the end of the book.
You're just like, oh no, you're not done.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Adam Bedrazer was an All Star in twenty twenty one
m and since then has not put together a single
season with a seven hundred ops.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
So you want to mention that Cam Devaney, who was
traded for I'm just gonna Kim Devaney has two entries
in the Baseball Propectic Archives and tagged on two articles,
one of which was this trade and one of which
is an MLU from April. I will just read the
blurb that Nathan Graham wrote. Originally a breweris farmhand. Vanny

(49:20):
was brought into the Full with the twenty twenty three
trade that sent Taylor Clark to Milwaukee trade for Taylor
Clark and Adam Fraser, quite the combination. His first whole season,
the organization was spent in Triple A, where Devanie produced
a solid two fifty four three thirty six, four forty
five slash line and provided quality glove work in multiple positions.
That's just Adam Fraser, I was. He's twenty eight in
triple A. You can just call him up.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
I know.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
I guess he doesn't the same voice in the locker room.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Yeah right, that's right, he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
He can he can hit two fifty three, ten, three
thirty in the majors or whatever went out.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
That's somehow in Kansas City. Is the second team trying
a second run at Adam Fraser in twenty twenty five, Yes, again,
Pittsburgh was the homecoming in Kansas City. He said, wait
a minute, we'd also like to do a homecoming for
Adam Fraser.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
I mean he was better in Pittsburgh this year than
he was in Kansas City last year.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Yes, yes, yeah, that is true. He is. That's just depressing.
It is true.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
It is true. I don't he betters than Michael Massey,
like I don't even I mean, Massey has been Massy
has been awful.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
I know awful has been pretty bad. Yes, uh yeah,
Matt Massy, Massy has a thirty four ops.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
No, it's bad.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
It like I understand, and I guess there are no
second basement available. But like, I don't understand how this
this could make a difference. He is like fifty percentage
points better than than Michael Massey has been and also
somehow that is not remotely enough to make a difference
in this.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
The Royals are also not one of the teams with
a ten percent better there to eight point four.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Right, all right, shall we take a break a break,
We'll be back just like Adam Fraser's back.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
He never goes anywhere much like us either.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Welcome back to episode four seventy five of five and dive.
I hope you use that time to think about what
adding Adam Fraser to your life would change, because for
Kansas City, it's not much of anything.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
I bet, I bet he's like you know, you could
hire him to just go around and read the inspirational
quotes on people's walls, like like that that mom decor.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Of like the just get him live laugh love Yeah, yeah, Like, I'm.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Sure he delivers those in an inspirational way that will make.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
You we just need like like a baseball, like deep
thoughts with Jack Candy. But it's like Adam Fraser eating.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
It shallow, shallow hits with it, Adam Fraser, We're gonna
go around the horn in section four. The rays you
have here are sold, but they will be sure they
have agreed to sell to sell one point seven billion.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
It's good to own a baseball team.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
This means an expansion team is worth more than one
point seven billion, right.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, oh, multiple billions.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yes, what I don't under I don't understand that valuation.
I'm gonna be well, they don't.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
They don't have any money sunk into long term contraction.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Anyone. Do you remember when the Dodgers sold, and I
understand it's been how long has it been?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
I think the Mets valuation was just a little under
three million when the team billion billion.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Yes, but the Dodgers. They were talking about the Dodgers
at the time, and I understand it's been a lot
of time, at like one point seven one point eight,
and then Goggenheim blew all those offers out of the
water at two point one point five and everyone was
like whoa. And then they signed a massive TV deal
that justified it. It really I struggle to believe that

(53:25):
the franchises have actually appreciated in such a way like
the growth. Yes, baseball has grown MLB has grown. I'm
not saying that there shouldn't be any appreciation, but like
for the Rays.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
At one point seven, they don't have a stadium.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
This it feels it feels like a real like pre bubbles.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Assume this is fairly debt leverage too. This is the
Jacksonville house builder. I was gonna say, which guy the
Jacksonville house builder or whatever.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
I did, I did want to report our own. Brian
Grosnik offered to give us all the Jacksonville details we
could ever need.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah, I'm sure so I do.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
I know, Brian listens, Brian, you're you're welcome to sending
any information, uh that that you find relevant on this.
But yeah, it uh that just it just seems like
and I know they have a good TV base.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Yeah right, I'm not they're probably going to get a
stadium now on what.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
They shouldn't be necessarily as small market as they have been,
but it also just it feels like a little to
your point, like they don't have a stadium. Yes, they
will probably get a stadium, but like, will they get
into a place that actually does what they need it
to do? I don't know. And with Oakland just going

(54:43):
into a smaller market and just raking in Rev REV
share money. Like I don't know none of.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
This this yeah, like it's hard, Like so Leubski per
Forbes is worth one point four billion, he's buying me.
He's not the only person money in this obviously, But
there's going to be minority investors, there's gonna be debt financing.
They don't have a stadium. I don't know if this
like material materially changes stuff for the Rais as much
as Raise fans might have hoped.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Right, Yeah, and I guess we should say the reporting
is that they are likely to stay.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
In Tampa, right, but now they have to work out
another either fix a Trump temporarily.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Maybe having new people to work with on that front.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Is he owns a home building company that might help again,
like that.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Might help to but also just like I don't know,
maybe they will or won't replace Brian Old, but like
that guy has been antagonizing the yeah, the local governments
for a while now, Like maybe getting a different voice
would be a positive for everybody.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
I don't know, negative mcgrats on that guy.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah, I like mccrats as a unit. Yeah yeah, uh yeah,
I don't know it. Uh sure they're sold. We'll see that.
They said by the end of the season or by
the off season or whatever. Early in the off season,
they expect it to be done. I believe not a

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bad and you know, I'm sure the current ownership group
is coming out far far ahead elsewhere we have Buxton
is a twin for life? Is that?

Speaker 4 (56:29):
Where?

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Where is that coming from?

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Well, he was asked about like the trade rumors around
him a break and he said, I have a no
trade clause. I'm going to be a twin for life.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Oh I didn't. I did not realize he had a
no trade claws. Okay, yep.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
So that's one center field option off the books for
the Blue Jays.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Yeah, that is that is true. I also, I only
bring this up because it came up during the home
run derby, but because they kept talking about his son
playing MLB the showy.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
And Bricks and Brixton Buckston.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
It is not Brixton, that is what I was going
to say, Like, well, his name is brick. They kept
saying bricks, and I was like, okay, his name is
Brixton Buxton. Interesting and I looked it up and it's
just bricks.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
It's just bricks.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Bricks, Blaze and Bear b a I r E. Yes.
Is he from Utah was a question I had, But yeah, no,
I know, I everyone I know he's from Georgia.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
That was is a very Utah name. I will say that.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Well again just bricks.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Yeah, I think Brixton would be I mean bricks.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Brickston would also that the spelling of bear I mean yeah, sure,
uh so, Yeah, Buckston is staying where it's also like,
that's kind of cool to me if you're a Twins fan, Like, yeah, Also,
he's just having a phenomenal season. That's nice. Elsewhere, we
put out our mid season fifty, I should say you
and you and Jarrett put out our mid season fifty.

(57:58):
You've also been doing a ton of draft content around
it because we include the draftees. What should we talk about?
We've hinted at very strongly who the top prospect would be.
It was, in fact, Kevin McGonagall.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
You also did a playback chat as you usually do
on Wednesdays. We're answering questions about this that people can go.
It's archived so people can go check it out if
they have specific things they want to hear about, any
kind of higher level.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yeah, it's a weird. It's not a particularly strong prospect class,
and in part because the draft class was not that great,
in part because there have been a fair amount of
promotions in the last month or so as well post
Super two deadline as some of the better prospects in
baseball or previous better prospects in baseball. So you've kind
of left this gap at the top. And like, I

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like the two through five, it's like a group, but
it's also all like teenagers in a ball or double
A and smashing will cuts case. But like there's a
lot of a lot more projection at the top of
this list, and there's been in the past. Not even
probably goes down as far as like has a way
to pull a de Paula and Zayr Hope and me

(59:10):
Besio is pretty much ready projecting him as the catcher
might be a little uh, a little rough, but it's
just like a very you know, like mcgonagall's made double A,
Max Clark has made double A. Walker Jensen's has made
double A. So it's not all but it does feel
like it's more of a more concentrated in the low
minors at the top of the list. Than it usually is.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I did want to ask on Besido because I think
this came up in your chat, and if it didn't,
it was in the comments to the to the article.
But like if if basioh never catches again, like if
you if you assume that, where would he be?

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Like he bed the back of the top twenty probably Okay,
he's eighth now, right, I think he'd probably be ahead
of like Jet Williams who was seventeenth somewhere in there.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
I'm not a huge slide CDA this year is twice
as good as it was last year, and then it's
on par for like negative three instead of negative se
Look if.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
He can do if he can be like a minus
five catcher, like you just put him there. But he's
a big guy too, not as big as Personnio who
still catches too. But now that's gonna work. But uh,
I remember I saw Bersanio and Lorenzo they're in the
same ball league team last year obviously, and like I
don't think I saw Bristannio catch, but Lorenzo caught and

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he was like he was big back there. He was
like he was, okay, it's an okay catcher. But he's
like he's a big it's a big catcher. And then
you see him, I think if we're batting back to back,
you see them like standing next to each other, and
during like the pitching and during the pitching change or
the inning change or whatever, they come out on deck
and Brossano just dwarfs him completely. Like I think he's
listed at six four two hundred, you can be like

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six five to two thirty, Like, I can't think of
a thing like Leaders wasn't even that big, Like I
can't think of a single catcher he.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Just looks like but maybe not that No, no, yeah,
that weight. I feel like there was a spate of
of like six five six four sixty five, uh captures. Yeah,
Widers is listed at six five two thirty five.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
That might have been towards the end of his career though, right,
like for Sanyo it is like twenty right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Right, No, no, I'm done with you. I don't know.
Other things that sat to me obviously on the like
just there are a lot of Dodgers on you know,
I'm not trying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
To there are a lot of Dodgers. Yes, there are
a lot of Dodgers, a lot of Mariners, a lot
of Mets. So all of our all of our teams
are in the top fifty or sixty.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Uh right, yeah, because if you go to sixty, you
get a fifth Mariner. Top prospect. I gotta tell you,
I I did a double tick every time I heard
them say that there were and they said it a
fair number of times that there were five Mariners on
the All Star team. I was like, huh, it's very Yeah.
I was surprised to see Randy or Rose Arena.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Yeah, yeah, I got added for Julia. I guess they
wanted to keep something out stand. It's not like they
had to replace him with another Mariager. They had four
other Mariners.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
But yeah, was a replacement too, I think ops plus.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
No, he's been good, especially the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Yeah, yeah, I had missed that, Like set three point
seven are worth this season honestly earned it. I just didn't.
I had missed it because I feel like he's gone
off well. The Mariners have slid.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Yes, they haven't slid. They've just kind of played five hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
They were at the top of the division at one point.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
That was a while ago. At this point, it feels
like they've been between like three and five games or
five hundred for a month now.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
They glided gently.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Yeah, earthware, I would say enough, but yeah, I mean
you have you have Depaula and Zyger Hope back to
back in the top ten for the Dodgers, Sarota and
uh Edward Kintaro, like so let's ball outfielders, yes, yeah,
and again you might be tempted to think, oh, maybe

(01:03:00):
they'll trade someone from this surplus. There's no one to
trade for, so that's fine, right, Yeah, I mean the
Tiger's also you know, Maxic Clark in the top fifteen
alongside McGonagall, like they're in good shape. You mentioned Persanno.
I don't know. I don't know. I imagine the ones
that felt just that from reading, Yeah, from editing, you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Can do all the shortstops in the forties, where as
I was writing them, I'm like the usually top fifty prospects.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Oh, I was gonna say, like, you know, you have
Carson Williams at eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
He's been so he's been legitimately better. He had a
terrible first like six weeks in Triple A.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
He has been, but it's like uncomfortable because it's just
the same. And I was gonna say Emmanuel Rodriguez too,
who has not been bad when he's been on the field.
But like it's this, like it is, some of these issues.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Are getting They need to promote both these guys so
I never have to think about them again, right, Like
Williams is the problem. Like he's gotten his own contact
back into like the mid to high seventies, which for
him is fine given his batted ball profile. He's really
been exposed byle off speed, which would be my concern
with him going to the majors. But he also I

(01:04:11):
I guess, uh, Kim is back obviously, and I'm playing
shortstop for them, so there's not a huge need. And
like Brandon Law is an All Stars, so they don't
know that in field is pretty well set at this point,
at least for the remainder of the season, although they're
certainly capable of trading Brandon Law at any time. Absolutely
and slide you can slide Kim over to second and Williams.

(01:04:33):
So a lot of Williams value is he's gonna be
a plus a plus plus shortstop. I guess that's a
lot of Kim's value too, unfortunately, but at least Kim
is like shown he can be like a major league hitter, right,
So yeah, that's the one that the one for me.
It is a lot for me that I'm just kind
of like these guys really well, let me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Let me go the other way. Yeah, who like excited
you in any way? I know, I know you're jaded.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
I know it's not I am very jaded.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Yeah, but like who was, like who piques your interest
as you were doing this?

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
I mean obviously I've written a fair bit about Houswar
Gonzales lately, and like from the time I decided that
he was a mid season like a serious mid season
fifty candidate to us publishing the list his uh slugging
percentage but from like four twenty to three thirty in
the DSL, which is not it's the thing that happens.
They haven't been playing that long. But he's just fun.

(01:05:27):
Like he's obviously a known guy, he was a known
he's a you know, one of the top two or
three IFA signings from January. But it's it's like, actually fun.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I do a fair amount of DSL video work now,
like and you get kind of not jaded, but just
kind of like, okay, like this is a seventeen year
old trying to play baseball like for the first like
organized baseball for like the first time. But him is
just like there's just like he looks like a guy
that would you know, have gone in the top five
in this draft basically in a way that like you know,

(01:05:57):
Eleon Payna doesn't or on health Elise didn't last year
like his just my day, did we consider him for
the mid season fifty and didn't put him on it?
We probably should have.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Last year.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Last year. Yeah, he's third on this list now, so
probably indicates that he was a mid seed. He was
probably the top fifty last year at this time. But yeah,
so he's definitely one of them. The pitching is just
so not and not even that it's like bad bad,
but it's just the guys with like no track record

(01:06:30):
like Gauge Jump. I mean, Gagem was a tracker. It
was a big prep prospect. But he's done this for
three months. Treya Savage has done this for three.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Months, right, Who's gonna sustain it? And who is like yep,
and both of those guys have injury. I mean every picture.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Every picture has but I within that class, right right,
I mean John theoretically should still be in the Tommy
John Halo periods. He had his like two three years ago. Now, Savage,
you know, he had to collapse along obviously probably not
like something you worry about, you know, recurring, but he
said some other like you know, vague jury injuries as well. Yeah, Halo, Yeah,

(01:07:14):
he's in the collapse Halo.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Uh yeah, I understand.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Peyton Toll seems.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yeah, but there's like the Red Sox are sneaky getting
their pitching stuff together. I told you they had interesting
draft class with Marcus Phillips and uh Kyson Witherspoon. Yeah, Kyson,
I'm going to confuse the Kyson and case and it's
just it's gonna it's gonna happen, which which one's case? Yeah,
uh but the Peyton Toll and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Then uh look I'm just gonna put it out there.
I did in chat. You did a text, but uh
nickname for him, uh the mass Pike, Yeah, because also
he's six sate masks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Yeah, it works, it works, people, but they've had to
like Connelly early has been good this year. Brendan Clarks
to make a job before he got hurt. So they're
starting to hit on all cylinders. But on the pitching
and hitting signs.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Yeah, all right, well I think that that covers the fifty. Well,
if you want more, check out the playback. It's archived.
Like I said, you check it out. Last little bit here.
David Robertsons still looking for work. I don't know which
one of you put this here. I'm gonna assume it
was Patrick.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
No, No, it was me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Oh okay, I mean because throughout the entire spring. Yeah,
Patrick was just like David Robertson.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Like you say, he's for teams, he's good. So the
problem appears to be right now he wants a priority
of fifteen million dollars to pitch.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Sure, I don't know that he's not worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
I mean I like obviously the resents that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
He hasn't pitched us far this season. At this point,
that is the the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Mets could badly use like a setup level reliever right now.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
Yeah, every every team in April thinks they don't need
David Robertson. By July, some teams have to admit they do, right,
And I guess that's the difference. Plus it's now five
million instead of fifteen and you, if you are considering
yourself a World Series contender. Now you are buying higher leverage,
the higher would you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Rather pay money for that or money plus prospects for
Griffin Jacks or Carlos or.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
Perhaps admit that you probably could use both, and you
don't need to sell that many prospects right to get
multiple relievers. I don't know, it's just it's five million bucks, right,
Like that's layered to various money you could you could
afford data robbers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
I say, like the Tigers could really use them. Yeah,
I know their bullpen has you know generally they got
how they did last year. But you ran this down
during the deadline dreaming article, Patrick, like they're they've been
pretty heavily used, and like Joshian's been on this as well,
Like Tommy Canley hasn't been particularly good. Right, you know,

(01:10:00):
some of these guys that they've relied on are are
not quite where they were the last couple of years.
And so you know, again, like the season long numbers
for a guy like Hannafy aren't bad, but I think
his recent performance is at least thirty strikeouts and forty
five Indians, right, Like, and he's Brendan Hannafy, right, you

(01:10:23):
you could use you know Will vest he's been good,
but like Will Vest is your is your closer?

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Or Tommy Canley? I guess, uh, Tommy Camley is up
to a four or five?

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
E r.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Bo Brisky has been bad, right, so I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
They could just about everything fit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
You all you have to do is move everybody else
down one, and you can pick how many of them
you want to move down one? Like right, Robertson can
pitch an eight. One Robertson can pitch a seven like
you know, we can pitch the seven until you're comfortable
pitching in eight. There's there's a lot of flexibility here.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Yep. Yeah, absolutely, Uh so he's he's looking for I
don't know why he's looking someone should be willing to
do this, but that brings us to our name.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Yep, it's hey, Now you were an All Star. I
had to put this together quickly, that's fine, before we
started recording. Very simple one. I'm going to give you
ten pairs of players. You have to tell me who
has made more All Star games.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
We'll do it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
We'll do it boot style, so Patrick, you can take
off your headphones. Craig go first, all right, The first
one Joe, Nathan or Mark Burley, that Scott, it's got
to be Nathan, Todd Helton or Nomar Garciapara.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
You're already in my head. Now, now run first, Baseman
and I'll let that tie. Yeah, I'm gonna go Todd.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Helton, Tom Glavin or Greg Maddox.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Oh A, I have to say this because when it
is when I am wrong, I'm going to be mad.
But but I like if I said if I said
the one that would make me mad thinking you were
trying to dupe me and it was wrong, I'd feel

(01:12:33):
even worse. So I'm just going to say Greg Maddocks.
If Tom Glavin has more All Star appearances than Gramatics,
I'm gonna be furious.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Russell Martin or is Moni Grandall.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Oh man, wow, neither of them. Like, I don't think
I'm gonna say Russell Martin. Yeah, I'm gonna say Russell Martin.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Felix Hernandez or Edgar Martinez.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
I'll look forward to Patrick answering that one.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
The boy m hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
It's it's just such a Obviously, Felix's peak was crazy
and he was going consistently then, but Edgar for such
a long time I'll just say Edgar whose career wins out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Eddie Guardado or Jim Johnson.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
M h. I'm gonna say, like Jim Johnson's three good years.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Somehow, David Wright or Don Maddingly.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Wow, just hone in and on back problem yep, uh,
David Wright bias towards a recent.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Player, John Olerude or Joe Carter.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Canada's gonna get mad at me when I get this wrong.
This one, I truly don't know. I'll say ol.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Rude, Gay Lord Perry or Nolan Ryan.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Come on this again like this, I truly I'm gonna
see Nolan Ryan like a like a like I don't
I don't know, but like it should be Nolan Ryan.
I mean they're both fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
But Andre Ethier or James Loney Okay, well, okay, here's
I gave you one from your favorite team.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Yeah, no, I appreciate that. I'm willing to say Andre Ethier.
I don't remember if James Loney made any Ulcar games
or not, but during the Ulcer game, they made note
of the fact that show Hey o'tani is the first
Dodger to get to to get hits and consecutive All
Star Games. Since Andre Ethier. So I know for a
fact that year once at two.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
All right, yeah, all right, all right, Craig did all right,
Craig did all right. It's all take beatable, but he
did all right? All right, Nathan, Joe Nathan or Mark Burley.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Oh, I'm gonna say Joe Nathan.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
I'm gonna give the reliever of the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Benefit Nomar Garcia Para or Todd Helton.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
Oh no, I don't feel like Todd Hilton would get
the legacy picks. I think I'm gonna go with Garcia Para.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Greg Maddox or Tom Lavin.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
Oh, there's no ties on this, right, feels okay. I'm
gonna say Lavin.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
I couldn't bring myself to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Yeah, Russell Martin or yes, Moni Grendall.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Oh, I'm gonna say Martin. I don't think that's right.
I already think that's wrong. But I'm gonna go with.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Martin, Felix Hernandez or Edgar Martinez. M I think Felix,
Eddie Guardado or Jim Johnson.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Oh man, this feels like, all right, this Jim Johnson.
It's got to be Jim Johnson.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
That's exactly what I did. Yeah, it's got to be
Why would you are? I know, I'm pretty sure he
made some, but like Jim Johnson had three good years
and somehow that's gonna go.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
Why why would you even think of Jim Johnson unless
he has made more at the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Back fifty safe seasons?

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
David Right or Don Maddingly. Oh, it's got to be right,
John Olerud or Jim Carter or Joe Carter.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
Sorry, ooh ooh, I'm gonna go with uh boy, I
think Joe Carter got some got some some Cleveland Indians
eighties representation, so sole representative. I'm gonna go with.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Carter, Nolan Ryan or Gaylord Perry. I'm gonna go with Perry,
Andre Ethier or James Loney.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
What what No, No, James Loney of the Los Angeles Dodgers.
That Jane's loony.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Yeah. In the twenty sixteen mats A raise, right, raise,
You're right?

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
Yeah, I think it's Loney. But I'm gonna pick you
here because I'm not going to let myself choose James
Loney and be wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Well, that's how I felt about Clappin.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Yeah, and that got you the win? You win seven
to six?

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Uh Joe Nathan had six All Star appearances, Mark Burley
has five, Garcia Para six, Helton five.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
I went with Helton on that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
I just like nos he made Garcia in a row,
but yeah, his peak was very very good. Tom Glavin ten,
Greg Maddox eight.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
I am furious. I am incandescent about this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
There's that's possible, like like I can believe that Maddox
made eight because like they have a lot of hang
around time. I cannot want to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
I want to be clear, Like in my head I said,
like it is gonna be Glavin, yeah, because it feels
so wrong. But I couldn't to what you said before,
Patrick Clake, if it was going to be If I
said Glavin and then it was Maddox, I would be
even more mad at myself rather than the world.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Yeah. Russell Martin four, he has money, Grondal two, Yeah, okay,
Edgar and Martinez seven, Felix Hernandez.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Six, Okay, oh okay, I won that one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
You both fell into my reverse trap because it's Eddie
Gordado to Jim Johnson one really only one one?

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
All right? Good for Eddie, honestly deserve deserve win for Eddie.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
Ye David Wright seven, Don Mattingly six, ye, Joe Carter five,
John Olerude only two.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
Yeah, that that doesn't surprise me, that that one the
one I was most.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Sure of of all ten, like Carter, like the batting average,
like they all love batting average. Then I guess the
only like there was.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
His glove at first, so that I thought maybe that'd
get it, you know, like, oh, he's such a good you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Also had a lot of seasons where he hit like
two eighty but with a four hundred on base percentage to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that was dumb on me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Nolan Ryan eight, Gaylord Perry five god and Andre Ethier
to James Loney Noney.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
God, thank you, thank you. That that's a satisfying way
to get cy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
No, no, no, But I was helped by the fact
that I said this in the in the game. In
the All Star Game, they noted o'tmany was the first
Dodger to have hits some consecutive All Star Games since
Andre Eighthier, And I laughed at that because I was like,
who knew andre Ethier made two All Stars? Yeah, but
it came in handy today. Well, I don't get a

(01:20:30):
win on my birthday now, but I'm happy for Patrick anyway. Happy.
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