Five and Dive, Episode 477: Texas Sun

In Episode 477, Patrick, Jeffrey, and Craig chat about parades and then discuss five mostly baseball topics. 

1. Well come on, roll with me 'til the sun goes down: The Rangers have won a few games in a row, thus are now AL Wild Card contenders. 
2. Say No! To Michigan: The Tigers on the other hand have hit the skids, but are still well above the AL Wild Card race.  
3. Everything Must Perhaps Go: There are trade rumors. They aren't even interesting trade rumors. 
4. Around the Horn: Pitchers getting DFA'd, optioned, and injured. 
5. Craig's favorite game is back.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to episode four seventy seven of five and Dive.
It is Thursday, July twenty fourth. I am your host,
Greg Goldstein, joined as usual by Patrick Buke and Jeffrey
pattern Nostro. Good afternoon, Well afternoon for me, morning for
both of you, and how's everyone doing.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I'm very tired, old man.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
M Today is a Pioneer Day, which is about as
relevant to listeners of this podcast as a Steel Day.
But it is Pioneer Day, Okay, come on, but.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Steel Day is a lot more. They haven't written, well,
I don't. Have they written a musical about Pioneer Day.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oklahoma, the Book of Morning.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
With that I was gonna ask it was the Book
of Morning. I was gonna say, is it in the
book Pioneer? So?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Is it an all inclusive pioneer.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
No, it's at the Utah State holiday.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Okay, it's Atriot Day of Utah.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah. They shut down ten blocks of not even I
mean some of its downtown, but it's ten blocks so
it's more than downtown. And I just have to, you know,
drive for fifty minutes instead of twenty to get my
kid to preschool. That's how it really affects me more
than anything else does a parade, which is why they
have ten blocks shutdowns.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
What do you guys feel about parades? Do you remember?

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Not a big parade guy.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
I don't like being in large gatherings of people, So
I mean I don't. I don't bother me.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
I think I've marched in like two parades in my life.
One was like, when I was in the Little League,
we did the like Memorial Day parade, all the Little
League teams march. I may have done that multiple years
but once. And I've done them Mermaide Day Parade once
on Cony Island too, when I was in college.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I honestly can't remember now if I have marshed in
a parade. I feel like I have, but I have
I can't pick atny specifics. When we were in New
Orleans that parade, my kids, like I would have not
been interested, but my kids really enjoyed the parade in
New Orleans, and so I enjoyed it both, you know,
vicariously through them. Otherwise, you know, I don't know. I don't.
I don't want to ring anyone, you know, rain on anyone,

(02:18):
but like I don't, I don't see what the apeels,
ye know, I got it. I got it, but I don't.
I just don't. I don't know. Like people are walking by,
there's music.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
It's fine. I want to be clear. I'm not trying
to crap on them. It feels not for me.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, it feels like the stick and hoop of of
like celebrations. It feels like something from a bike on
era that we Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Think that's right. I think that's right. I also, I mean,
obviously the I feel like the most famous one aside
from I guess championship parades are is the Thanksgiving Day parade.
Don't care for that, Yeah, don't. I don't enjoy that
on television.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
New Orleans. The New Orleans parades are the best because
it's just basically a consert that leaves you behind.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah that's that's fine, that's but I can see enjoying that.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, I feel like the Rose Bull Parade used to
be more of a big deal before, like the college
football playoff maybe right?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, I mean I also prefer my band's non marching.
I just like them to stay there so I can
listen to them. I don't need them to walk away.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I don't know you, are you okay? If they march
in a in a specific area so that you can
like you you're listening the whole time, so.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Like a high school football Yes, yeah, that's what I'm
asking about. I guess like I'm not I'm not paying attention.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Like when they spell stuff out in their formation.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I admire it, Like, you know, I think I could
do it.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I always like when they do, like the script Ohio
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's like when I watched somebody whittle, like I can't
do it. I don't know if I need it, but
like you know, if you have that skill, like good,
arn't you do?

Speaker 3 (03:52):
You watch whittling a lot on YouTube?

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I mean it's there. I'm sure some versions people people,
people devote their lives to, you know, expertise and.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
The people feel about baseball.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah exactly, Yeah, some people whittled the band.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Some people people. I went to a uh to a
work event with my with my wife yesterday, and you
meet people and their spouses or whatever. They're like, oh,
what do you do? Blah blah blah baseball, and a
lot I would say, at least half the responses are,
you know, I don't really care for baseball, And I'm like, yeah, sure,
that's you.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Know it's cool. I don't really care for a county
you know what you do.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
It's like, oh, it's like, oh, I understand that would
be interesting, but it's not to me. It's kind of
like the vibe that I get. It's like, okay, yeah,
I get it, and I'm like, sure, that's fine, like
what you'll like?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
All right?

Speaker 1 (04:49):
And Patrick, do you have any No? No, all right,
let's get into the show. Our first segment, well, come
on roll with me until the Sun goes down. This
was originally titled I think by Patrick Here Come the Rangers.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Much more direct headline writing especially.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Can you explain that one to me?

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Leon Bridges and crumbin song off their album Texas Sun.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Okay, I've heard of both of those. I have not
musical acts. Oh really, Well, if you haven't heard of
the second one several times?

Speaker 3 (05:25):
No, they haven't. They they move a lot on stage,
but it is in a circle. They stay in one place,
they stay on the stage. They just move around on
the stage.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I don't know how I can expect it to pay
attention to music that hasn't walked directly past through my path.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Right. Jeffrey went in one of their concerts and gave
a review, did not that long ago. And it's fine.
I mean leam Bridges what Grammy winner, right, so I
mean heard of it.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
If they're both from Douglas too, they both don't know
the song.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
But it's good.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
They did a couple EPs together a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay, very nice. Okay, Well the Rangers also very nice.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
You say that, but sort of.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Eaten two in their last day. That's good.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
They're two games over five hundred.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
They are three games over three games.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I think it is the first time all year they
have been three games over five hundred.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Oh, they like there, but they haven't been five hundred.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
They feel like they have been one game under five
hundred the entire season.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, I'm sorry. They started eating two. I started eating too,
and that is the they. I think the last time
they were three games over five hundred was May fifteenth,
when they were twenty four and twenty one. Okay, but
it's been well.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
They're fifty three and fifty. They've they've won three in
a row. They have won eight of their last ten,
as I mentioned.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
And look that puts you in the Ali called race.
Whatever team you are, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
They are almost in second place in the West seven
and a half back of Houston, but only one and
a half back of Seattle, and Seattle is tied for
the second slash third wildcard spot. So the Rangers are
tied with Tampa at what and a half cames.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Out of Yeah, this happen. This is going to happen
at some point in July or August, maybe September.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
What the Rangers making a run.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
I don't know, nobody is, Nobody is running away with this.
Ali sure I don't.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
I don't think that was guaranteed, but yeah, sure I will.
I mean, I will say like I have continued to
expect this pitching staff to at some point slow down,
either via injury or ineffectiveness, but like I know it.

(07:45):
I should start with Nathany Evaldi, right, who has a
sub one six e r A. He has missed some time,
but in his time he's been otherworldly. But honestly, the
most amazing part of this to me is that Patrick
Corbin has a three seven eight e R still.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, it's back down to three seven eight.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Like right, it was? It was over four I think.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, for a bit, he's not gotten a quality start
in three straight starts, but only because he's fallen four
outs short combined, which we're five outs short. He's he
is not giving up more than three runs in his
last five starts.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
It's it's remarkable.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, it's just going to say, uh, you can find
I think Omar is on Twitter Blue Sky, but someone posted, uh,
Patrick Corbyn's era by presidential term. Yeah, there's some interesting
correlations there if you want to go, well.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
It is to that effect. And I know I said
this earlier when he was doing this and Patrick, I
think you did write a box for Banner about Patrick Corbin.
But I do like he was reliably the worst picture
in like maybe not the worst, but he was one
of the worst pictures in baseball every year for five years,

(08:58):
for four or five years. So the presidential term, I guess,
as Jeffrey is pointing out, and then now he's fine.
How How How I don't think. I don't think guys
go from that bad for that long, like only maybe
in the league for that long, maybe like because he

(09:20):
had a contract.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yes, maybe, like Jacob de Graham, he's just motivated by
not having to follow the Northern rules anymore.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Greg, Yeah, it's I mean, he he has less than
a hit printing for the first time since twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
I mean the actual answer. He's doing a bit by
a snake, and he has gotten the snake's.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Power developed sticky, he's he doesn't need Uh yeah, yeah,
he can. He can spin the ball a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I still, there's nothing in here that gives you any
impression that's going to keep up. Of course it did
for half a year, so good for him.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
But which is longer than any other stretch in the
last four years. Right, that's that's the wild part. Uh.
But yes, this this run, such that it is for Texas,
is built mainly on the back of pitching, on starting pitching,
mostly although the bullpen that was completely overhauled and still

(10:22):
pretty ineffective at least at the start of the year,
with a lot of Luke Jackson in the back of
the believe they just cut.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Him as they did.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
H Hobby Hobby Milner has been good. Sean Armstrong has
been good. Robert garcia Is is their closer now and
has been good. You know. I I I recall I
don't want to speak for you, guys. I recall kind
of raising and training Nathaniel Lowe just to get Jake
Berger Garcia back and yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
I guess, well their first basement is now rowdy tol.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, I'm not. I don't well and I don't know
that Nathaniel, you know, Nathaniel Lowe has also they're talking
about him as like a trade kind of flotsam and jetsam,
the kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
But yeah, the to be kind of a wash well
first base.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
But yeah, he's got a negative.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Point one burgers point one, So.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
No, I understand, but they got they got Garcia out
of it, which is the Garcia and Garcia has been
pretty good, so that ends up looking uh, fairly good.
I think Chris Martin and he's out for he just
hurt his calf. I believe that he said he was good.
Jacob Lats has been good. Cole Win in limited time

(11:42):
has been good. They've they've gotten a lot of contributions
on the arms. It's just and this is so weird
for the for a Texas team, I feel like, but
just the lineup has been has continued outside of Corey
Seeger when healthy has been I mean, there's just not
much to speak of. I guess Josh Smith, I shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Who's been kind of coasting since April but.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
He founds plus I mean, yeah, like wyattin first, you know,
basically he's gone through He's kind of been a roller coaster, right,
Like there have been very good periods and some some
real down period since.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
May first, he has a thirty percent strikeout, right, Yeah,
that's not it's not good. You know, Evan Carter just
I don't I don't think Evin Carter's just gonna have
power bring in. It feels like like the same same
times period. He's got like a one forty five ISO
and it feels about like what you're gonna get out
of him, right yeah, yeah, it's well, I mean, and

(12:49):
the big thing, you know, you got Jonaheim who has
become kind of a black hole, yeah offensively, and he.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Started off the year okay, yeah, and just has cratered.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
And and kind of likea is a fine backup catcher
and like not a bad acquisition for them, but he's
no longer the guy who can just become the starting
catcher when you're real starting catcher falls apart, like he's
been like at like his last three teams, right like
he is he is he can give you fifty or
sixty games at this point, and he's played in fifty six.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I will point out stretch. In this ten game stretch,
they their best hitter has been Josh Young, who's played
in three of them. So all of this is very,
very on brand by the Rangers.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
The funny thing is Jock Peterson, right, who has not
regressed nearly as much as he needs to. He has
a little bit. He's been basically a league average hitter
since he came back from injury. It is the weirdest
league average hitter line is he has walked twenty one
percent of the time and struck out thirteen percent of
the time for a one sixty seven three fifty five
three thirty three slash line.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
It's a real, real Dan Vogel bac hours there.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
He's just too tired to swing. Whenever, you know, it's
whenever a team has a black hole at DH, like
it feels so much more oppressive to be like, you
can't find anybody to hit here, Like you have a
whole first base shirt, Like you know, first base or
right field or some some some position low on the spectrum.

(14:22):
You're like, well, okay, that happens. You have a plan,
Like a.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Lot of the contenders obviously need third base help right now.
There's not a lot of good third basement right.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Now when you don't have a DH, Like you had
eight plans and they all fail. You know, Sam Haggerty
should be dhing for this team.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
And that's that's also because like you should, you should
be able to have one guy who hits well enough
to be a DH and just play glove instead of
that guy.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, yeah, and like you.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Don't even have that.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, you can't. You can't move Burger down because he's
not really any better, right yeah, yeah, what do you
do you think this team is a playoff team? Like,
and I guess say that in the sense of the
American League in twenty twenty five, where there aren't you know,
they just aren't six playoff teams.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
I think I think the answer that to that question
comes down to if you think they're better than the Mariners,
because I have to tell you I'm taking Boston over
both because I think Boston will do something.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
So I have a question for you, then, Craig, is
this the Mariners with or without Ryan McMahon.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
It would be an upgrade what he though uniquely suited
to fail at in Seattle. Also just acquiring acquiring a
hitter from Colorado in Seattle, is it.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
I don't know if it's funnier than bringing back au
Henny Asarez, but.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
It's not as funny. It would be as far as.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
And paying more for him now as a.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, that is much funnier. This. I feel bad saying this,
but I don't think they're as good as the Rays,
the Ranger, the Rays. Yeah, the Rangers. I think I
think the Rays are a better team at this point
than the Rangers are. I don't know. I know the
Rays have not been playing well lately, but like I
look at the roster and I look at the Rangers roster,

(16:26):
I know which one I have more faith in.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
You're you're probably not wrong, and I just like I
just fully do not believe in the twenty twenty five race.
Sure like that.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, I mean I get it, Like it's weird. It's
weird for the Rangers to be pitching heavy, right, Like
you get certain ideas of certain teams, and the Rangers
to me, will always be an offense first, you know, yeah,
you know, partially because of like how they hit in
the nineties and that ballpark back then, you know, before
the roof, and and it's partially.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Just like I was looking at why at length, and
I don't know if it's the whole team, but like
the split, the splits at home in a way are jarring.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Are we are eating Rockies level?

Speaker 1 (17:08):
It's it's no, well, no, it's it's all away. Oh
oh interesting, Yeah, yeah, it's all away. I mean for him.
I don't know if it's it's every I don't can
I just pull up the whole team?

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Oh yeah? But the Rays, like the Rays have that
going on as well, where it's just like you kind
of like get a sense early like this is a rasier,
this is not a raise here, and you just kind
of give up.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
On and it's it's fifty points worse at home, which
is not for.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
A whole team.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
That's it's it's like both not a ton and also
it's pretty significant. It's surprising that it would be worse
at home, and so fifty points worse.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Is yeah, yeah, it's one hundred points less than I
would think it would.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Be, right direction, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, I don't know. So, yeah, I do have faith
in the Mariners either, to be clear.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Like, yeah, I understand where you're coming from on Tampa.
I I think I probably agree if you just look
at the at the rosters, right, Yeah, I understand where
you're coming from. That, I just I don't I don't
believe in them. I and like, as bad as a
number of players have been on Texas, like I think

(18:22):
they're better than that, right, Like, I don't have to
believe Jake Burger is good to think he's better than
he's been. I don't think I have to believe Josh
Young is great for him to be better than he's been,
and and and you go on down the line with
a number of those guys Jock Peterson obviously, Whereas I
look at Tampa and I'm like, you know, there's so

(18:44):
much Cameron Missner and Christopher Morell and Chandler Simpson on
this team, and I just I don't know, like how
much of this team is being carried by Jonathan Ronda
being forty six percent better than league average, you know,
And they're already like piggybacking Drew Rasmussen, who's been their

(19:07):
best starter, right, Like, so you're getting fewer innings at
I don't know. So to me, I don't know. For me,
it comes down to whether they're better than Seattle. I
don't know that they are. That's a weird team.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
I don't it's a weird team. You know Jack Lighter's
pitching okay lately?

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, yes, yeah, I think he's not bad.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
This is than than he's done. He's he's completely underperformed,
like his his raw stuff. Sure this year.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
At that point, we spent like fifteen minutes on this,
which fine, whatever, that's short for us for a first
segment anyway, Like we're just describing a game that a
team that is two games over five hundred. This is
what they're like. This is yeah, yeah, three? Sorry, sure, yes,
I'll give them. Maybe it'll be two and they're playing.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
To but I don't know, Jeck. Are they making the playoffs? Maybe?

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Okay maybe maybe? Sure you heard it here first, Yeah,
they might make the playoffs. We got we got of
the exact same conversations.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Do you like them better than Seattle, Tampa or Boston
to make the playoffs?

Speaker 3 (20:18):
And it's only a game and a half now, if
it was a little more than that, even with sixty
games last, I might yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
God, imagine when we have to start talking about the Guardians.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
I mean, look, it's not we're getting sometimes I do
not see it.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah, after I'm just saying, after the trade deadline is
content a week, we're gonna have to bring back fraud
watch for several of these A wildcard teams. I don't
know which ones yet. The problem is they're all they're
all will make it right.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yes, someone will fake it till they make it.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, we're definitely getting I guess it'll be I don't
even know at this point. I guess the jayline the
J's are probably most likely to be the three seat,
though we'll get to the Tigers. Tigers are gonna be
better for this discussion, like Tigers Mariners wild card? Serious is.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Would you would you like to know how how Pakoda
sees that go for it? Houston number one with ninety
two wins, Yeah, Toronto number two with ninety one points
seven wins around twenty two, Detroit number three with ninety
one wins.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah. I mean that none of these teams are there's
no good teams, no team as a six hundred and
twenty percentage right now, obviously, Yeah, that is.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
I do want to add that is a good transition
point to our next topic. But I do want to
add very quickly that Texas currently thirty percent playoff odds,
Seattle just seventy nine percent at all high. But yeah,
I'm sure Tampa is also at thirty. Boston's at twenty four,

(21:51):
so they.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Like Boston preseason, so that's probably part of it.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Still, Yeah, again that's they have like some very traded
I think if you if you patch up the very
clear holes.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
I mean someone, it's just gonna get started out in
the next week, right And like the Rangers in some
ways have the easiest holes to fill if they can
just get league average production from them the rest of
the way.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
The problem is, as we keep saying, there's no one,
they were one of the teams people were looking to
start picking the guys off.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, I mean this is you know, this is second three.
But like one of the problems right now is that
the trade deadline is dominating everything as far as what
we can do in terms of analysis. And also there's
nothing to talk about, nothing to talk about, so there's
just nothing like it's been a weird week for nothing
happening m hm, because there's been no movement. Everybody's still
five hundred yep. Cardinals are still like nobody, the Cardinals,

(22:44):
the Diamondbacks, I guess have pretty much shuffled off at
this point, they're five and a half back. Otherwise, No,
I mean the Royals, I guess are.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Well, Yeah, the Diamondbacks crept back in with their sweep
of Saint Louis and then I think, did they get
swept by Houston?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
They got swept by Houston. So but yeah, like we're
just I guess we're just gonna wait three more days,
like the weekend should help hopefully take care of all
this stuff for us. But it'll turn out the Dimas
to sweep again, the Curdinals will win two or three,
and the Rangels will lose three in a row, and
we'll just no one will know.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, and it's yeah, it's very odd, but but to
the point of it being it was a good transition.
But we know it's because we're talking. Detroit has been
out in front all year, and all of a sudden
that Toronto has sixty wins and Houston has sixty wins
in the both half game better or one game better
in the lost column half game better. Overall, Detroit has

(23:39):
lost nine of their last ten, including three in a row.
They are, as as I mentioned, the technically the third
best record in the AL at this point.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
They're also eight and a half games up on the.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
You know, the Central Yeah, no, it's idea.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
The Guardians have charged their way up.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yes, it's as Detroit has gone one in nine, Cleveland
has gone eaten two, and they are eight games back. Yeah,
they're over five hundred though, bless them in Cleveland. Uh
So Detroit is faltering, uh.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Sort of?

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Like? Well, no, I mean, I mean in the last
relative to themselves, right.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
I don't feel like they've gotten below. They've been in
a lot of these games too, Like I don't feel.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
How they lost twice to the Pirates, which on they
aren't gonna call.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
It one of those was Paul Schemes, but I don't
know if one.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Of those was Bailey Falter. But I'm gonna call it Falter.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
One of those was Bailey Falter. Yes, the game was
both Bailey Falter.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, they did make the Mariners look like a playoff
team for a series when they got when they got
beaten by a total of like twenty runs over three games.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
I'm not like, again, we discussed this when they had
the best record in baseball and not unlessially I thought
they were the best team in baseball. Maybe a little
bit more of a course correction than you would expect
or of like at this point. But you know again,
they're probably gonna wait maybe a nineties games.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, but like, I mean, here's here's a good encapsulation
of it. Zach Minckinstry's last twenty eight days to nine
three sixty seven five point fifty one, his last fourteen
days one forty eight, three oh three, two fifty nine,
his last seven days one oh five, one ninety one
oh five.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
It's really good two weeks in there apparently before yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
There were, and that's right. So but the point being,
like when you're that bad all at once, which is
the last two weeks and especially the last week, it's
And look, Zach mckinstrey should not be load bearing, no,
but he kind of is kind of in terms of
in terms of them playing at the pace they were playing, right,

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He's not load bearing to the success of the team
more generally, right. Spencer Sirkleson's still having a nice year.
Labora Tour is still having a nice year. Riley Green
continues to have a very good Yeah, I mean better
than either of the guys I just mentioned. You know,
Cole keat is up to ten percent better than league
average by fps. They have a number of you know,

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Kerry Carpenter trailed off a little still in above average.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Bat Yeah, he's he's hurt, and I think that's you know,
he's not the load bearer that he was last year.
But that missing him m has been a problem. It's
you know, Parker Meadows came back and maybe he shouldn't have.
He's he's looked lost. And you know the problem is
that the guy they had there before Parker Meadows, his

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Hobby Bias, who was an All Star last year. Hobby
Bias in his last in his last month one he
has walked one time, yeap, And this is what you
get out of Hobby Bias. And you know, I'm I wrote,
you know, when I wrote up the Tigers too early,
apparently for the Deadline series, when they were looking good,

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like they had two problems and they were both All
Stars and they were McKinstry and Bias. And uh, they're
not gonna do with McKinstry because there's just bigger problems now.
But like they need a short stop, like they I don't.
I think they need to put Bias back on the
bench as this you know, spark Clock or he might

(27:28):
a being in center field, who knows, But like, what
are the shortstops out there? They're just I don't know,
I don't know what they have where they go to
because there's just not that many on the market. Even
even third base has more options. At least there's a
Bryan McMahon. At least there's you know, Brian Hayes.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Like, I mean, yeah, you're you're forced to put like
you know, you're gonna publicly castro at shortstop? Like is
that something every Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, Like you know, I keep tossing out Blaize Alexander
mostly because the Dimes just don't need him.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Sure he'll give you what.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
He'll give you an eighty five or ninety oh ps.
Plus he'll play a confident shortstop. That's an upgrade for.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
I mean, I guess, are you like you're hoping Trey
Sweeney can do that for a half seasons?

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Good, it's a good unfortunately a good poll.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
But yes, I mean right, no, I don't feel good
about that. But is he is both probably the best
and most available? Yeah, like legitimate shortstop?

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, I mean, god, you know Nick Allen.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Nick Callan Nick, Yeah, sure again at least just want
to go. But like, how is that different than Tray
Sweeney because he.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Can Like he's like an elite defensive shortstop who can't hit,
as opposed to Trey Sweeney, who can't hit right like.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Sweeny, I thought he was good defensively.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Nick Allen's like the best shortstop in baseball this year
by some metrics, right, Like it's like it's essentially getting
Taylor Walls. No one wants to get Taylor Walls, but
you sometimes get Taylor Walls. Yeah, even though the race,
they're probably the same guy. Yeah, I mean this is
where we are, right, Like there's just not that many

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choices out there because of this year, and how weird
some of these these rosters. Like ordinarily a team like
Baltimore being out of it would be like, oh, there's
a ton of guys, but there's you know, they now
be a good fit for Cutric Mullins. Mullins has not
hit any better than Parker Meadows since like May first.

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But yeah, I don't know, there's just I think Detroit
kind of just has to take a couple of guys
where they can get them. But I think I do
think that they're kind of like, they're not this bad either.
I think that this is just a they'll write the ship.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
And it's very possible the Jays or the Astros have
one of these on them before the season.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
I mean, I don't think Detroit needs to over over,
especially feel like they've got they've got an you know,
and losing eight of ten in them.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Right, Like over the past month, no Tigers starter has
a FIP up you know that's higher than a three
the three something right like this, you know they're getting
battered around. Eyes has like a five point two three
a ra But like he's fine, He's still Casey Mice,
He's still walking two matters for nine. This will I

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think they'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, I yeah, I agree. I'm not worried about them.
But this is also well, as Jeff said, like more
maybe more of a correction in one fell swoop than
I was expecting, but a correction I was expecting. At
some point, I didn't think they were run away the
best team in the in the AL or one of
the best. Like I didn't think they were the best

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team in the majors, even though they were playing they
were being the best team in the majors at the time.
Let's go to our third segment. Everything must perhaps go. Uh,
we've got some rumors they are not that exciting. I'm
going to be honest and and and I think the

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harder part is, like there's no clarity to any of
this because let's start with the padres are listening on
villain Sees. Yeah. And also in the same post from
John Hayman, I believe well also being buyers, yes, which.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Well, this is how the potter is can't afford to buy, right.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Well, we've but we've talked about this, right, this is
this is very Milwaukee energy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
They also don't have any prospects to trade really right,
part of the problem.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
So this is this is the thing. And we've talked
about this, and I didn't mean that derogatorily about Milwaukee, right,
It's just like they are it's raised stuff where like
they're willing to be in it and they're willing to
make a trade.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Milwaukee also has like more than three pitchers right now,
they have death Like this is just like we're committing
to Randy Basquetz for the rest of us to great Choice.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, well, they don't been committed.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
I know Randy Vasquez is our Game four starter.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, like that, this is how it's it's going to work, though,
I think for the foreseeable future, with this many teams
in the playoffs, the only way we're going to see
action at the deadline is from some of these teams
taking a chance of, you know, maybe weakening the upside

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of a rotation while patting out the depth or vice versa.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Right, I think it was I think it was Chicken
Puppet posted this some Blue Sky, but like teams he's
he was like, teams are going to imitate the twenty
twenty four Tigers more than the twenty twenty one Braves,
and like, I get that, but also like there need
to be people available in trade to be the twenty
twenty one raised, right, like, and I know they didn't.

(32:57):
They didn't buy huge, right. It was like you know,
Dy Razarijorge Celaire, it's hard to find even like, but
it's hard to find we're outfielders, right, I mean, yeah, fine,
and they got the believer in there too, I think,
But like it's hard to find even like the twenty
twenty five version of the twenty twenty one version of
por Haesel Air, right.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Now right, Yeah, yeah, I think that's like Casey.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Sanchez, right is like that and he's not really is.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
I think there are and maybe they won't be unique
going forward. I think they are. There are unique aspects
to this deadline in terms of the composition of the
teams dealing and like how and the ones that are
out of it. But like have I mean, we were
just if you go if you look at the teams,
just that shortstop discussion. We were just having like if

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you go down the teams that are definitely selling, a
number of them have franchise shortstops. It's just not gonna move, yeah, right,
And like that's that's a little weird, Like that's just
that's not always going to be the case. But like
you know, if the Oils are out of it, like
they're not gonna trade.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Bobby Rocky aren't gonna try to see Heal Tovar, right.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
And and that's the thing that's like not even the Rocky,
Like the Nationals aren't gonna trade c. J.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Abrams probably probably this year, right, Like that's a lot
of these teams, but.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
The Cardinals aren't gonna trade Mason Win if they if they.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Want to trade Brendan Donovan, but they're not gonna trade Mason,
but Donovan camp.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Not really right, Like the Diamondbacks have, for whatever reasons,
committed to Heraldo Perdomo, and fine, they will not trade him.
He's fine, that's not a go. But like they're not
gonna trade him, right.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
The lot of these a lot of the really bad teams,
Rockies excluded, because the Rockies are their own category, just
like trade. They're trading their good players such as they
are before their rentals, right, like they're the White Sox
are trading Garrick Crochet two years early.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Sure, right, And and I just even if you want
to count the Angels out, the Angels won't have themselves out.
But if you want to, right, there are four games
under five hundreds, they're not trading, right, And and so
I think you're in this spot where, even if that's right,
that teams want to emulate the Tigers by selling off

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but making the playoffs. Anyway, it's not there or the Orioles, right,
Gunnar Henderson, it's not moving. Jordan Westbrook's not moving, right,
even if you wanted to go that way like it
it's it is just a you don't always you don't
know the mix of like positional guys and the commitments
teams have to them and stuff like that each year.

(35:35):
But yeah, I just I think we're going to see
a lot more of this kind of stuff where it
ends up being give a little to get a little
in a different area and we're just and there's look,
there's something interesting to that. I think what makes this
deadline not interesting is that there's just nobody right. It's
it's one thing if there were a mix of teams,

(35:56):
like I can address this need by doing this and
doing that, but like there's no, uh, I I don't
understand really a way in which a cease trade happens
that improves the padres That doesn't clearly not improve whatever
team trades right, right, it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Seem like strength, right, they're already starting radio are gonna
need the pieces back? Right? Yeah? No, you could see
it working in a Milwaukee sense if you.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Have Milwaukee, but like, I can't imagine Milwaukee pushing for Jill.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Baseball historically has not had a lot of teams with
eight starting pitchers. It's just right, especially and by the July,
but can.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
You even I know it's you probably hate to do this,
but like off the cuff, can you even conceive of
a Milwaukee pitching for for cease trade like a pitch
you know? I mean.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
What, let's see, so you did you did the deadline
piece for the you haven't done I'm worth or you
are working on it now. I generated the thing for it.
I mean, you know what what does Milwaukee need? Milwaukee needs?

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Uh? You know, well their projections. Everything's between.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
They need everything by their projections, and.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
They don't know well in a way, they also need nothing.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, exactly right, Like everything.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Everything by Milwaukee's on on on that thing. It's yet
to come. It might be next week, it might be tomorrow,
it might be next week. Is they project between tenth
and like sixteenth at almost every position? They need a
short stop by the projections because they hate Joey. Joey
Ortiz was so bad to start this year that the
rest of the season projections don't like him. He's been

(37:50):
better lately. He fixed some stuff in his in his
swing mechanics and he has been better. But yeah, I mean,
like there's nothing they're bad at, there's nothing they're great at.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
So like, but the real problem here's the pod race.
Because the pottery is no longer. Not only did they
not have any minor leaguers to trade, they also have
no bench to trade, you know.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
But but my point is they wanted nothing to give me,
so so so what is is there is there a
trade you can construct from Milwaukee because Milwaukee does have
the pitching death right right, So if you if you
want to do straight.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Two for one, yes, essentially everybody with fantasy loves a
two for one trade.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
But what I can't even think of, like, is it
is it like Gwinn Priester, Quinn Priester for for Dyllancy
straight up too much because of a control at this point.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
I mean, Logan Henderson liked Henderson, Yeah, yeah, Logan Henderson's
too good for this. He's not good enough to start
for the Brewers, but he's too good for the pod
Race to trade for. Yeah, it's yeah, Well that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
I just I can't imagine a situation I I I
am pro challenge trade on stuff like this, and I
can't imagine one we're both where both teams even think
they're coming out better. Given that to get Dylancy's you
need to give major league ready pieces.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
To like a weird like yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, there are lots of bad teams, a lot with
good shortstops. There are not a lot of bad teams
with eight pictures, right, really get a pictures.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
The other Ovius Padres spot is catcher, and I don't
feel like anyone's trading their catcher mid season either.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Henry Davis is probably available.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah enough, Yeah, oh yeah, I mean the Padres have it.
I mean I posted this, I think online. The other
like the Padres, if you look by ar War have
played thirteen position players with negative ar War this year.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, of their bench, they are so easy to improve.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
They like if you want to talk about the twenty
twenty one Braves deadline, but they can't do they don't
have any to do it. But they have the they
have the core upside pieces. They are and and performing
right like they.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
That we didn't do a pod raised deadline piece, and
the reason is it would be the most.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Everyone they need everyone's It's like everyone who is not Bronenworth, Machado,
Merrill Tatisse or somehow Gavin sheets Is is someone to
be improved upon. Sadly that includes Xander and Xander Bergarts
apparently defensively for our our War has been quite good,

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so I guess I should take him take him out
at that, But like everyone else can can be improved
upon their entire bench, Patrick, I'm looking at the b
ref bench thing. Bryce Johnson, I don't know who that is.
Is the only guy who is not negative.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
War Yeah, and not even like negative point one like
Connor Joe's negative.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Or worse.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
How much do you think Miguel Andrew Hard costs because.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Jason Heyward and Alias Diaz in the starters at those
like they are also negative zo point two or worse.
I like, this is screaming for the go find your
Eddie Rosario's and you're you're Jack Peterson, the twenty twenty
five version of those twenty twenty one guys and improving

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the team in that way, like it's screaming for it,
but they can't even do it, Like I don't think
they have.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
The Yeah, the twenty twenty five padres are basically like
going to the grocery store and getting to the line
and and realizing you forgot your wallet.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yeah, it's I gotta I have to return something.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
I just kidding. I'm sorry. Then you're gonna have to
spend ten minutes putting all this back.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Anyway, that was that's the first that's still in season.
The Black Kansas City would rather trade Seth Lugo than
Chris Poubich. I'm sure that they would. I'm sure that
they would because Seth Lugo is leaving at the end
of the year. Yeah, ago, I think, I mean, Seth
Lugo makes sense for a ton of teams. I think
Boston makes just oh yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Think I think the Royals could find time to trade
both person.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, and again like they can make a they almost
certainly make a pretty penny.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yeah, you have like no pitching behind this though, like
it's going to be for the Royal internally.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
If you're trading who cares, I know, but like it
like for like twenty I know, Oh, we'll still get
a picture back for next year.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Fair enough, I mean, you know, I agree, going to
be good next year or.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
No Michael the first trade year or whatever. I don't know.
They should probably trade Michael Waka.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
But yeah, they got Adam Fraser now, so who is
hitting for him?

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Boy? What you just I'm never gonna understand. I'm never
gonna understand that one. They've got Rich Hill. Now it's
the matter, they can bring him back for next year.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Patrick, you look good in his first start. He did
struck out one batter, but he looked good.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Yeah. Yeah, Cleveland is listening on Shane Baber, who is
making rehab starts. This is where this is where the
trade market.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
And and the and the guardians like this is half
of the reason why they signed h right, like they
were like, maybe we'll be in it and we can
use him, but if not, this absolutely Shane Baber is tough.
Like when you need ching, you need pitching. Imagine like

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Shane Bavers just like kind of like a it's one
of those blind bags that your kids beg for in
the store and you just you have no idea what
you're going to get.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
He could be, he could get you know, don't even
know how you maybe it's maybe it's easy, actually, but
I don't know how you would come to terms on
like like how you would agree with Cleveland on who
you should trade.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
What's what he's work?

Speaker 1 (44:25):
What is it? But maybe it's easy because you're both
like I don't know, we don't know, so like I
guess that's pay him for us.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Please.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah, we have another very exciting trade deadline updates Ken Rosenthal,
the Dodgers could make Dustin May available.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
I'm sure, what's up how many relievers this destiny were?

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Well, I think he's a free agent at the end
of the Yeah, so it's a rental. I mean, I'm
sure he hasn't unfortunately, been that that great lately. Probably
an improvement for a number of pitching staff still, but
like the Dodger's pitching staff isn't good right now, it's
getting healthier. Uh, Glass now has looked good and both

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his starts coming back.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
You know, we obviously made a bit of a bit
of a bit out of it early in this season,
but like Jack Dryer has pitched a lot and very good.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, he's been good. He's been good. Uh they yeah,
they're I mean, as Eric Stephen keeps posting and reposting, like,
what's the most number of relievers a team that can
acquire at the deadline? M The Dodgers are are interested.
May is essentially just piggybacking with Otani right now. Yeah,

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and I guess Otani will eventually, yeah, throw more than
three innings or something like that. And they still have
Justin Robleski if they want to be in that role.
So like yeah, I sure see see what's out there,
but I don't know it's it's or two because again,
like if even if you're a selling team, that's that's

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willing to trade relievers like it's a rental. What's the
upside for you? Right?

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:13):
The last bit here, h don't this feels like a
jeff No, people still want Sandy al Contra question mark?
Maybe he looked good yesterday.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Again for free, that's for free.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
That's that's the next category.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Yeah, I know if I was like, would you writher
Eric Fetty for free? Or trade something for Sandy Contra?
Right now?

Speaker 1 (46:39):
That's very much? How much.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Cost fa he has?

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Here's the thing, here's the thing. He's not going to
cost a lot if he's not well, not even a lot.
But if he's not going to cost like something of value,
why would they trade him? Right?

Speaker 3 (46:53):
They can they can take a stab at it. Another
year off surgery, Yeah maybe yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah, I mean yes, that is the reason. But like
that's bad business, right, like that much it's Marlin's I know,
it's it's Marlin's business. But like I would hate and
it's going to do that. I don't I would hate
like they're not it's not a bad it's bad ownership,
but I don't think it's a bad front office to
to degree that, like you're just gonna dump him to

(47:21):
get out of out of the contract. Like they're not
even paying they're not paying anybody.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
It doesn't matter, not paying him that much. He's like
making eleven million a year or whatever. No, it bumps
up in Oh is he is it backloading?

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah? Oh yeah, Okay, I will say teens and it
might go to twenty something. Let me see here, uh,
twenty it's seventeen million this year, seventeen million next year,
and then a club option for twenty twenty seven. At
twenty one.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah, Al Kantara has struck out four batters in five
of his last six starts. That's a that's that's an
impressive kind of consistency. Yeah, during that time as hear
went from six eight eight to six sixt' six. So
this is kind of I just don't This is not
a fun to fix situation. I don't think with all

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also need But like.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
If you watch him, I mean it's frustrating, but like
you see it, it's not like watching a bad pitcher,
even though he is bad, right, Like it's watching a
pitcher who could be good, but is bad. Do you
know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (48:29):
I just I think it's gonna need he's needed the winner.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I don't think you know. Oh no, I'm not saying
it's it's gonna fix this year or anything like that.
I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
You just can't miss a bat like everything else. He's
he's pitching the way he pitches, and it's just not
working the way it usually does. And I think you know.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
The marlins.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
You just sit on it and you wait for next year,
and you basically you look at it as a tax.
You paid X number of dollars before you're allowed to
trade him, and you know that's that's the price instead
of instead of you know, it's kind of the anti
sun cost fallacy. You just gotta you gotta take that
sun cost and you just look at it again.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Because I think there's again if you just dump him
for getting out of the money, like they're not repurposing
that money, like it doesn't. I don't. I don't think
it does anything. So like and there is I think
you can recover, Like I don't think it's sunk yet, right,
I think it's taking on water mm hm. But but

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it's possible he starts bailing himself out, right, I think
that that that possibility exists. All right, let's take a
break and we'll come back with the rest of this.

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Welcome back to episode four hundred and seventy seventy seven
five and dive and our fourth segment. We're going around
the horn. As mentioned, the Cardinals Dfaid Eric Fetti and
talk about a swift rise in a swift fall. Ah.
I guess I don't is that is that deadline three

(50:24):
team trade working out for anyone but the Dodgers and
even Edmund's been hurting pretty bad of late, and Kopec
hasn't been on the field. I mean that is that's
a wild one.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Are you is? He just cooked.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
His uh? His change his change up this year has
a put away percentage of four point seven. Uh. He
cannot strike out a batter and like am I you know? No, Okay, sorry,
he can't like a batter out. He's just like he

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the fastball is bad and now he has to throw
it all the time, and so it's just there's nothing there.
I don't know, I this this it's we're not Kyle
Gibson retiring point yet, but like, I don't think that
he I don't think a postseason you know, aspirant team

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can can look at this and think this is something
we can fix in the next two months.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Like but I well, yeah, I mean I think they
probably cannot fix it in the next two months. But like,
will someone try?

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, I guess so, I.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Mean I bet because again, nothing's out there, Like wouldn't
you wouldn't you think like someone someone with a fifth
starter spot that's already bad, Yeah, is going to look
at at the situation and and say like, well, you know,

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I mean he might not even take a major league deal.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah, I don't. I don't, I don't. It does not
strike me like the whole when he came back from
the KBO, It's like, oh, we got this new four
pitch mix, and you know, the change was suddenly a
major part of his arsenal and that's what, you know,
rose him to his you know, White Sox dominance or
whatever equivalent of dominance the White Sox have. He doesn't

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you know, like I don't, I don't think that there's
like a rebalancing thing you can do here. So I
don't know it doesn't look good. But again again, Randy
Vasquez has the worst.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
I assume a.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Min some deal, right, some chem will pick him up.
They needs to fill the names for the rest of
the season with an eye towards bring him back on
a small deal or a minor league deal with them
an r I yeah, I mean if you just look at.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Stuff pro or or pitch prow or whatever, Like his
sweeper is still good. His fastball both, I mean, his
fastball and cutter are just atrocious. Yeah, and it's really
hard to fix a fastball problem like that, But there
are teams that are better than others at like helping

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someone hide it.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
You can't have both the fat Like, you can't have
both the fastball and cutter not working in that case, right,
Like it's tough. You gotta like if you can be
you can become a cutter change guy.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
But the cutter, yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess he
doesn't throw a four team very much, but it's it's
very bad when he does this cutter. He's been throwing
a lot and it's quite bad. But you know, and
his sinkers, it's every everything is below average except the sweeper.
But again, like there are teams that are better again

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at hiding or hell helping a guy pitch off that
you know, ironically, Like one of them is probably Milwaukee,
who absolutely doesn't need another guy, right, But like, I
don't know if you look around that. What I don't
know is it is it worse than what the Yankees
are trying? Is there a fifth starter spot?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I yeah, I'd rather have camp Slitler than fair Enough.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I don't know. Is it worse than Walker Bueller?

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Well yeah, yeah, yeah more open Walker Bueler, like Walker Mueley,
like showed up for three games last year. Uh, Eric
Betty is not shown up for three games? Oh yeah
this year he had that one that either has Walker Bueller?
Yeah that's true. Yeah, Uh Betty has change up? Has

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he's gotten in zone swinging this two point two percent
of the time on the change up if he throws
it into My.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Argument is not that he's got a lot of good pitches.
It's that, you know, maybe someone can do something with
the one good pitch he has in a way that
that could benefit that team. Yeah, more than whatever someone
is giving me.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Just think, like even the bad teams can just produce
guys like this. Now that you don't go and get
Eric Fetty. Right, Well, it's not like it's costing you anything, true,
And it's like a weird time in the season because like,
if you're a bad team, maybe you're looking to take
a peek at some of your Triple A options that
may be already.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Or right the team that the Diamondbacks are probably the
team that makes the most sense for Fetti. What you're
what you're looking for here is you're looking for a
twenty twenty four Tiger situation where you sell and still
win afterwards.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
I think even even if you like if you trade
like Zach Gallan or Meryl Kelly, you also just need
to fill the innings. Right maybe after the trade deadline,
a team that moved a starter looks like we'll just
plug it Eric Fetty for the rest of.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yeah, yeah, I was looking at Bler's I mean, he's
got nothing as bad as as Fetty, but he also
doesn't have a pitch as good as Fetty's sweeper.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Just by by those he's going to be an angel,
right Like he's is he an upgrade over Channawitz who
is now demoted anyone? Yeah? Sorry, the.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Cad and Dana the rest of the year, and said
Eric Fatty. At least there's like sorging. Not that any
learning ever occurs for the Angels, but some sort of
learning will occur if you start kan Dana for that way.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
I saw Carson Fomer pitching on the other night. Yeah,
I did not realize he was yeah, yeah, Yeah. The
Angels make a lot of sense here, Like through like
four innings, I've got Kyle Hendrix. They could just look
tell Eric Fetty to like look at Kyle Hendrix and
be like, this is it, buddy, this is where you
weren't even that good.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
But it would be very funny for the Marlins to
get him and like something on a charge.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Team, right, that might they might trade like I'll contra
Ur Cabrera and they need a yeah starter for the
rest of the year. That's not Valente Bozo might also
be starting for them in this scenario anyway.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
So.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Else elsewhere the Rays have optioned TODJ.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Bradley could not get anywhere to trade for him. I
guess so.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Yeah, right after putting him on the market and he
continued to stink it up, they you know, they are
going to hope to get him back to a different reason.
Look he's he's absolutely, absolutely just.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
I know the rays are very good at this stuff,
pitching dever at large, but he feels like he needs
to go to a different good pitch. He needs to
go to Milwaukee and.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Everyone send everyone to Milwaukee would be very funny.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
It worked for Tobias Myers. So well, yeah, sure, Uh,
I don't I.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Don't know what they're going to do specifically in the
roche backfill. They have options Joe Boyle.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Is it joy? Well, they've been hand to right, they
have not had to.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
H Yeah, yeah, they have Joe Boyle and Seymour.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
They have somewhere right somewhere in that someone in that
mix of guys es petits. Shout out to the Houston
medical team for just coming out and saying this one's significant. Yep,
just get ahead of it. Yeah, this is Was this

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a hamstring?

Speaker 3 (58:33):
I think so?

Speaker 1 (58:35):
I think yeah, some.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Sort of soft tissue lower body thing.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Uh. So again we've gotten Bryce Matthews. Uh either hits.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
I feel good about that call. Either hitting home runs
or striking out, so.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
And that that's what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Yep. They another they consider camp Smith at third base.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Still problem.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
They don't even Filterla Troml is their starting center fielder
right now? Already yes, ready, yes.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Yeah, I guess they are so with Matthews. So the
way Rouster resource is showing this, Matthews is at second, Yeah,
Altuve and left, sure, Tremmel and center and Cam Smith
and right, sure you.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Can move that around.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
At third.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah, but he said and playing some short stop to
so right.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Yeah. It is like I know we we did this
a little bit. But how is Houston doing what? It's
the aost h It's pretty it's pretty wild, but that
is a I don't want to like over state artsis contributions,
but it's just significant loss given their other losses right place.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yes, yeah, Sea could us.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Yeah, yes, he's got his own significant interest yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Yeah elsewhere Uh possibly a significant injury. Felix Bautista has
a shoulder strand or shoulder pain. I guess, so he's
landing on the aisle. There were I think I've seen
rumors yesterday about the Orioles potentially being willing to trade him.
Seems pretty unlikely to happen if he's got shoulder pain.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Yeah, that's it's it just it just came over the wire,
like now before we recorded, so right now, it's pain
because they haven't like described.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
An MRI.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I it might be the good kind of shoulder pain,
of which there are none.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Uh. And lastly, Spencer Jones, he said the topic do well,
I don't know. I don't know how to say weak
in French. So yeah, more than Doujore. But the recent
topic of Spencer Jones, he continues to annihilate. He's on
He's on a legitimately insane run right now. How many

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home runs today?

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Three today? With the completely like two days ago? Again,
when you sorry to change his stance in the spring.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Why would you change your swing in the middle of
the run.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Well, he had a couple of bad games, so I guess,
oh yeah, okay, yeah, so you gotta now he has
like a stooped over Tony Bautista.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
What I will say for Spencer Jones is that when
they make the swing off the official way to solve
extra inning games, Spencer Jones will be a star.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Three different swings.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Well, yeah, you could disguise himself and just use a
different swing and nobody would even suspect exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Uh So, I don't know, do we have nothing else?

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
No, I'm not engaging with I guess it's not a.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I didn't put it for it's four three sentences out
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
It's fine. Yankees fans are gonna it would be very
funny if they trade him at the deadline, right, that
would be.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
The funny that would be if he plays himself into
like a major piece for a trade the Yankees needed.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
I think all three home runs were on strike, so
he may have gotten his own contact right over seventy
percent with that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
That was Jeffrey not engaging, not engaging, all right, the
game to our game?

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
All right, we're gonna revive an old one, one of
Craig's favorites. Two teams to a lie, don't remember you
remember it quickly? What I have our twelve baseball teams.
Eight of them are real and four of them are
not real.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
God making making.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
It all comes back quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
We're just waiting for that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
We're just waiting for the make everyone everyone's waiting for
how many.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Of them are making?

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
All right, So that would be providing information either yeah, yeah, okay,
all right, So we're gonna keep you both the booth
because I think that's the funnier if you guys and
each other. I'll just alternate which of you answers first,
So Jeff, you're first on this one. The Columbia cricket frogs.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Go with real.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Okay, Bake, Craig takes the lead. It is fake.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Never heard of a cricket It's spent.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
It's a real animal. I spent ten or fifteen minutes
last night looking up animals from the South. That started
with sea and the cricket frog.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
I don't think it took ten minutes, but I had
to go through like I was looking through it and
I was trying to figure out what was the best
animal because I'm like cockroaches. Now, you guys wouldn't buy
the Columbia cockroaches number two, Craig, the Danville tobacconists.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I mean, like that is an area of Virginia.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
We already know, we already know he does research just.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
North of North Carolina. That would be that could do that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
You've had a Danville. I thought, isn't there a Danville,
Georgia too?

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
On a guy's name Dan.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
Some of them founds there might be h like otters,
like they currently have the otter bots and the milk
what are they called the milk Daddies something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
We did a segment on the weird.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Yeah, well I think they have or it was the
autobots and ass but it's too I'm gonna say no,
I'm gonna say false.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
I'm gonna say real, it is real.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
The nineteen oh five Virginia.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
I think I've seen a shirt forward on the FF.
That's why I am okay, yeah, sure, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
That's where Jeff has the advantage in this game. Uh,
Jeff the Henderson Hens, hmhm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Real. It feels I'm gonna say this, it feels real.
But I'm gonna try a strategy, and I'm gonna say fake.
The strategy is not saying fake to everything. I realize
I've said that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Okay, Uh, they're real apparently in nineteen oh five Kentucky, Illinois,
Tennessee link next one, it felt real. The Fairport Glaziers.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Can I get a spelling gel A Z I E
R S. Okay, I know you're saying Glacier, saying Glacier
is real?

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Really want to make I pronounced that Glaciers.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
That's fine. I just didn't know if you know that's legit.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
I just want to I don't know, man, I know
what a glacier is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
I just wanted to I don't I know what a
glacier is. I don't know what a glazier.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
I love that there's four ways to pronounce these two words.
I think I pronounced both of them wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Real, I guess I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Okay, I'm gonna go fake here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Jeff takes the lead morning because I made that one up. Okay,
all right. Next the Crookston Crooks, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
The worst ones.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
They are. It's like they just do teams, just do
this right, like cities just do this so lazy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Yeah, are you willing to go rout for the crooks
this weekend?

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
It's like like the Bethesda Bats. I'm gonna go with real, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Bag all right?

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Uh, they're real, Craig, this is over. It is what
they do.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
I know, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
I I apologize because I'm not sure how to pronounce
this one. The Beloit Collegians.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Do you not know how to pronounce Beloit?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Or believe? It could be French? It could be Beloir.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
I don't know, No, it's Beloit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Okay. You know I've never been to Wisconsin. Actually, I
think I have been in Wisconsin. No collegians, the Beloit collegians.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Sure, I'll say true.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
All right, Jeff, the colleague, I don't know. But the
way where the Wisconsin colleges are frankly, I mean, I
know there's a college.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
There's Northwoods College League is like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Right, No, I don't know if there's a like a
university in Beloit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Oh there, well, there there's a there's like at least
a state. There's a state.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
University of Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Blight.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Yeah, any way, I'm gonna go with fake.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Okay, Craig, it's boring back, it is real, don't you know?
Five Wisconsin State League? Next, the the Oswego starch makers.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
Am I first? Is it me? No?

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
It's on stuff? Whoever answered last? Fake? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Yeah? Fake?

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
All right, Craig misses a chance to pick up ground.
They are real nice, you know, five Empire State League
starch makers, starch makers, and starch isn't gonna make itself.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Like are we talking like spray starts like for your ironing,
or are we talking starch isn't like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
I would assume it's just potato the powder. Yeah, potato.
Back then, I'm sure it was like just in bags
like bags made out of animal and testing that you
just get your stars out of. I don't know what
what what the grocery you know how that worked? Back
in five Craig the Norfolk Eelers.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Norfolk nor Sorry, it's okay, it it isn't I would
say intuitive in terms of its pronunciation. Uh Elers they
have there. Sure, I'll say.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
True, Okay, I think it's I think that town's real.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Okay, they're both wrong. I made that, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
I have, By the way, I have a a Norfolk
coffee hat. I attended a Norfolk tide scan and they
were playing as the their alternate, which is the coffee.
And uh, I got the iced coffee, one of my
one of my prize possessions.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Jeff. The Grand Fork Sporks.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Again, this is just.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Well, we don't be's development from nineteen oh five. So
what were the people in Grand Forks thinking in nineteen
four five work. I'm gonna say real. I'm gonna say
I I said Henderson Hens, I gotta go with Norfolk Forks.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
You also said Crookston crooks, crooks and crooks, and yeah,
I stato it. I'm gonna say true. Also when you
do Norfolk and it's gonna be too.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Yeah, you're got a Norfolk forks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
In the Norfolk folks. Yeah, folks. Yeah, Yeah, you're both correct.
It's true.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
What they do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Craig, Craig, this one's a little different. The Johnston Johnny's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
True. True.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
I'm gonna I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
I can't vacillate now. So yeah, true, Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
If I say absolutely, ye h, the Cleveland Cavaliers, Jeff,
is it?

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
I say true for another another sport and account, like
when we come up with a nickname for very different
guy like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
This happens right, like they take their name. I don't
like it, but I'm gonna say true.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Yeah, I'm also saying true, that's false.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
There was a Charlotte horn You didn't make it up
by the way you put in You put in no
effort or research.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
That's not true. I found the Charlotte hornets, and I thought, okay, done,
Cleveland Cleaves and.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
See if Cleavers Cleveland, Clever Cleveland, the Cleavers, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Cleavers, Yeah, alright, last one, last one, well, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
One, then right, he's the Paris. I would have loved
heads up on that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
By the way, worries the Paris Hope Parasites. Why Paris
Hope parasites. I think it's the two cities, Paris and Hope.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Okay, Hope is part of the Paris Hope. Yah, the
Paris going you are going, okay, No, it feels like
it's going to be a yes, and I'm going to
be mad, but I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
That Paris Hope again. Like, I guess I have a method.
You've already with it, I've already so yeah, real team.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
All right, you're correct, the Parasites are a real baseball team.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Works as a word. How did they spell it, Patrick.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
I think they spelled it parasites like they get theirs.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
You get the first four letters in the same cognate.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
It's not like, no, the first letters.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Yeah, okay, first three letters, fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
That's not something they call themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Same sound, Yeah, I'm not gonna they were just but
it's the same sound.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
They were just like one hundred and sixteen years early
on their good movie takes, I think is what it was.
They were just really into it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Yeah, so congratulations once again. My my review of that
game is not I'm not mad at Patrick, but is
these fucking people, these nineteen oh five assholes. Yeah, well
it could win Jeffrey, sure.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
I will.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
I will tell you My strategy that I that I
referred to in the beginning was I was just gonna
say I thought Patrick was going to lean on for
fake ones, that he was going to lean on uh
like consonants, like literation, yeah, alliteration, right, and and I
was like, oh, if he's gonna like maybe he'll lean
on that, And it was just the complete other direction.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
So uh yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you for one for
three when you went with strategy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Yeah, no, it's not good. Thank you for the game.
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