Five and Dive, Episode 479: Deadlines (Thoughtful)

In Episode 479, Patrick, Jeffrey, and Craig run down a very, very busy 2025 trade deadline.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to episode four seventy nine of five and NIVE.
It is Friday, August first, the trade deadline is over.
I am your host, Craig Colstein, joined as usual by
Patrick Dubuke and Jeffrey pattern Astro, And this episode is
brought to you by Coffee Drink It. It's the only
way you're gonna stay awake jumping checks.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Like right around like one thirty two pm my time yesterday.
My eyes just started glazing over, like I'm just like,
this is too many trades that there does not need
to be this many trades.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'm really glad. I wrote a piece about how it
was a slow deadline.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, well nothing here's the thing, nothing actually happened.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of running around yea, and nothing.
Actually I shouldn't say nothing changing, but yeah, for the
amount of volume.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
If you are a major league believer, update your mail
forwarding because that.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Like, yeah, I was just asking Jared Seidler this as
we were talking before the show started. I said, like,
there are so many traits, like maybe I'm forgetting someone
who was the best starting pitcher.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Dealt Meryl Kelly Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Meryl Kelly or if you want
to wish cast on Shane Bieber.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Sure, right, there was like a moment like Joe Ryan
was traded yesterday briefly, wasn't he like I've never traded
graphic at some point in the scrolling through the the
feed he wasn't actually traded, but like.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, he probably traded feeling okay about being in Minnesota
to feeling bad about being in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Actually the real answer is probably Mason Miller. But also no,
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I can't do that, Like the the man has never
thrown more than nine three ninety four Indians in a season,
and that includes his highest number of Indians in a season,
and I can't.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
I mean I would have doing the miners. He didn't
even throw that many, given how often.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
He was correct. The highest he's thrown as a professional
is last year's sixty five. So I said this, I
don't want to get we're jumping ahead, but I said
this in my right up. But you're going to wash
the value of cheap Mason Miller if you develop him
into a starter, because you're not going to be able

(02:30):
to use him as a starter for a full season.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
For I don't very good chance you will also get
hurt as you do.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
This right, and that's if he's healthy. And look, maybe
the padres throw the governor off or whatever. They did
it with Seth Lugo. But Seth Lugo was was on
his I mean he was older right.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Like he It was started in the minors. He started
in the miners, spressure to Clay Homes. Then he is
to No. He came up as a star. He was
starting in twenty sixteen for them down.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, and Mason Miller did start. He also immediately got hurt.
That's why he went went into relief. The whole thing
about him starting just makes I don't think that makes
any sense, to be honest, Like I I really I
know people are saying it, but I don't. I don't
believe that we're getting it. This is gonna be a
long show and we're gonna, Yeah, we're gonna skip banter.

(03:21):
The way we've broken this out is by division. We're
just we have who's in and who's out, and we're
just gonna we're gonna talk. Yes, Uh, there will be
a break at some point, maybe maybe maybe several ends
and a listener. Former VP editor and friend of the show,
Colin Witchurch did provide a game, so there will be

(03:42):
a game strap in folks, here we go. We're gonna
start with the A L East Little East Coast bias.
These are mostly ordered in order of order of.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Current standings. Yes, we'll start with the Blue Jays in first.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I mentioned Shane Bieber. They they were the team that
acquired him. Uh. They also brought in Louis Varland and
Ty France, and they picked up Brandon Valenzuela.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
On ass because they traded Jon. They traded Dansons and
jans was right.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
They right, he was a right Yeah whatever catch and throw. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, he's made some He's made some Padres list. He
won't make the J's list.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
The Padres are in a different category. Uh. They they
got Valenzuela for Will Wagner who went to San Diego.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Bieber brought cost them call is it called cal Uh
ste Stephen and Varlin cost them. Uh, Kendri Rojas and
Alan Rodent Ty France was free. That was he in
the Varlin deal.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Is that he's snuck in into a crate in the
back of the truck.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean, functionally, I think he's like you know, Wagner
is mostly hing and playing first base for them, so
at getting Typhans to fill that role. I'm sure he's
a better hitter than Will Wagner, but.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
And that's not saying that I'm not sure that Will
Wagner is better hader than ty France.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
So sure, sure, So the Gens are an interesting place
to start because I think they were one of the
teams that really uh paid a lot for what they got.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
They did they relatively speaking, I think gave up yeah,
two of the five or ten best prospects.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, and that and Stephen and Roe. So you know,
Bieber's a gamble yep. I know he's on rehab. I
have not tracked closely how he's looked on rehab.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
But good, look good, okay, Yeah, and they need right right.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I mean, I think you can kind of slot him
in with Kevin Kevin Gossman in the in the bin
of like can be dominant, can be four earned runs
and six innings, and you know, it's like number two
ish low end two ish. But their rotation is a
lot of like outside of Gosman, it's a lot of

(06:21):
fours and somehow Eric lower as we've talked about. So
I mean, look this they needed some pitching and and
they got it, and that's good. They definitely needed some
bullpen help with Varland. I think they paid a price
for that in Rojas. He's an arrow up guy.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, and he's a good little pitch Like he's not
a super high upside pitching prospect, but he's a good
little pitching prospect. I think same with Steven, who is
currently on the IL, so that might be one of
the reasons he was available. But yeah, I mean they
any significant amount. You know, Stephen was trending towards a
one on one spot, right, Like we'll see how Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I mean again talking to Jared in our in our
slack conversations, like Rojas probably maybe on.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
It, maybe, yeah, But like there's like he is of
the general quality of picture that falls somewhere in the
eighties or nineties. Which of those pictures make it will
figure out December, but.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's interesting looking at at the projections.
Obviously some of this is to do with standings change change.
But I was on the Jay's Talk Plus recently with
Blake Murphy and I noted that they were just under
seventy percent to win the division. I look at the
standings today, they are just under sixty percent to win

(07:35):
the division. That's that's not playoff odds. Obviously their playoff
ods are quite good. But you know this, and what
I said to Blake and Julie on that show was
I think the Jays needed to go for it because
this this is their big opportunity, right like they've they've
been as we've chronicled, because I keep believing in them.

(07:59):
They've falling short for years at this point, and even
when they've made the playoffs, they've they've crashed out pretty hard.
And this is their real opportunity to do it. And
I think this front office in terms of you know,
we're talking about the kind of value they gave up
to get what they got. This front office has some
moral hazard in terms of trying to keep their jobs here, right,

(08:20):
I mean, like they if they squander this, they're probably out.
And so that's probably how Cleveland and Minnesota became the
beneficiaries of of those deals. I think, you know, there
were there were other I don't want to say overpayments,
but you know, like heavy costs elsewhere at the deadline.

(08:41):
But I don't know that any team kind of consistently
paid more of a premium than than Toronto given the
given what they got.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Back, Yeah, I think this is I think the deadline
shaped up pretty poorly for them as well. This is
a team that is well rounded, yeah, and really needed
the top end guys that weren't there, yeah, right, And
and the top end guys that were there were not
guys that fit their roster particularly well. So just a
bad But then they didn't have to overpay what they
did get. But the like, I feel like they paid

(09:11):
for the things, the things they wanted, the trades they
wanted to make, and not the trades they actually made.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, and yeah, I think there was some of that, right,
And it's and again they were kind of forced into
h or not forced into but but I think the
front office has to feel some heat on making sure
they did something. You know, you can look at at Varland.
He's having a breakout year as a short reliever. He's
someone who's been notably better in short relief than in

(09:38):
either multi inning or starting roles.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, and like I'm not sure, yeah, go, you're looking
at what the Yankees did, Like there's a very good
chance he pitches better down the stretch than Bednard Dovaal
or Jake Bird right, like right.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
I mean I kind of go back to Djosh who
talks about this all the time with these trades, like
it's two months like various swamp swamps everything. One of
these guys are going to go hog wild and some
of them are gonna crash out, and you know, you
don't know who's gonna do with.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
It's also like a weird thing with earlier specifically right,
because you know, measuring two months of reliever ra or
war is kind of silly. I remember the meds trader
for Ryan Stanek last year and they he had basically
been pitching a triple A. They got him into like
a late inning, low leverage opportunity. He gave up like
two home runs and that was gonna kill a Zra
for the rest of the year, and that was kind

(10:25):
of a meaningless outing all in all right.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Right, Well, it's also like you drop those in you
lose one game, and it's one game, but if you
if you win the others, even if your your those
trade numbers are bad, like you've still been worth it.
I think, uh, you know, Varlin, they picked up a
number of years of control. I think one of the
more interesting discussions. As you know, you mentioned if you're
a reliever, uh check your address or whatever, like two

(10:52):
years of control? Should we should How much should we
value years of control on a reliever?

Speaker 2 (10:56):
I think we probably should not, But I think there's
also like, you know, getting an extra year of control
on David Bednar, who is a longer track record versus
having like four years of control.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
His track record is now they literally sent him down
this year.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
But he just says, like four years of control of
Louis Arland or whatever. It is, Like a lot of
these they're going to get non tendered at some point,
right or.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Or when they get expend right, I mean that's right
when they get it's not. And that's not a reflection
on the quality as much as like Louis Arland, I
believe is a super two guy, so he really might
get non tendered even while being fine. Sure right now,
he's been better than fight. He's got a very nice
d R minus this year. He spiked his ground ball

(11:46):
percentage this year, which is probably playing into that strikeout
rate twenty four percent. That's fine for that's average for
a reliever in twenty twenty five. So I don't know
how sticky those results are in a lot of ways.
And I don't know how much you should care about
the third or fourth year of Louis Varlin. Right, No,

(12:06):
it might be something, but I don't know that it
matters too much.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
The funny thing is the trade that that I always
think of when it comes to this stuff, for whatever reason,
is the twenty twenty two trade of Hidden west Neski
for Scott Efross. And everyone was very worried, like they're
getting the Yankees, We're gonna get foive years, five years
for Scott five years. I mean pitched ten innings for
the pitch he pitched well in He hitched twelve innings

(12:30):
in relief that year and pitched well, and then then
got her shoulder and then he's been terrible since and
then that's an injury. But also Eric Swanson also like
every time you're like, oh, you're getting four years of
this guy, unless he is like even Ben arm might
not be like elite enough a closer for you to
be like, Okay, this guy is gonna be good for
all four of these years. Almost always, you should just

(12:52):
treat me somehow closer.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
You should trade for his oldest Chapman. I don't understand that,
but somehow, and obviously even that Texas rush to its limits. Yep. Uh,
do we want to talk about anyone else? The Jays
sent out let's not going yeah. Uh. Speaking of of
the Yankees and and relief and relievers in general, boy

(13:14):
did they They add David Bednar, Camilo, Doval, Jake Bird
but not a reliever. But they added Jose Cabalio in
a mid game. He just made their playing They're playing Tampa,
so that was interesting. And then Austin Slater they had
done early, which I honestly, that's one of those like

(13:37):
just filling a hole like that's a good role player. Yep,
he fits exactly the kind of role Uh they needed
to fill. And and then you.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Don't want to deal with Tommy Fam for the rest
of the season Tross Slater instead.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Honestly, honestly, the funniest rumor was Texas being interested in
Tommy Fam because they have Jack Peterson my top could
you imagine? And then they added Wilberson. Payna was a
was a PAINA was a prospect that they added in
a deal. Where do we want so? I don't we
have a list of names here. I'm trying to match
up which ones went for which Who did they trade

(14:15):
for David Bednar.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Brian Flores. Yeah, and uh, where's the third one. I
can't find the third one on the list. But third
one isn't that important. It is the two catchers. It's
the two cats. There's an outfielder. There was an outfielder,
and the outfielder like, is one of those guys that

(14:41):
you know.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
It's not up on, it's not up on mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Anyway, yeah, you know the Pirates, Like I do think
that trade is funny from the sense of the Yankees
just spreading their catching prospects throughout the league like a service,
just just.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Donating Raphael we said, I think we said Brian Flores.
It's Brian Sanchez and Raphael Flora, along with Edgelen Harris. Yeah.
They I mean right, they well they held on to
I guess j c Escara, right, but they they keep
Jeff like, they keep producing these guys that are like

(15:21):
kind of catchers, kind of first baseman who can hit. Yeah,
they can catch enough, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, Flores is going to they they he's like in
the Austin Wells, Augustin Ramirez, right, and so's ben Well,
Ben Wright, Austin Wells can actually catch now.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, but he was kind of that guy once upon
a time a little bit, I guess.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
And now that Indie Rodriguez is the first basement, the
Pirates could use a catcher again.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I don't know if Flores is that guy, but.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Worth a shot. I mean, I guess you hope one
of Flores or or Perez gets you know, good enough
to stick behind the desk. They have not. The Pirates
have not been as good as the Yankees in terms
of coaching to be.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
They have not enough Andy Redriguez being a first basement
yeah right, yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
I mean I don't even know where to start with this.
With the Yankees, it's so many relievers.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
I mean, like, I mean, they needed this many relievers.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
But yes, and they needed a starter.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
I feel, well, but if you can't get you can't
get a starter.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, sure, got a game.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
There's a lot of teams that are trying to go
for like the twenty to fifteen Royals playoff model. I
think where your starter just needs to go five innings.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yep, yeah, I think. Yeah. I mean Bennar has been
really good. He's looked like prior David Bednar after getting
sent down in the beginning of the year obviously was
had a really rough twenty twenty four And that's kind
of where I thought, Patrick, you did a good job

(17:02):
on this in one of your how many reliever roundups
have you done?

Speaker 3 (17:07):
I did too, We had several others.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, so, but I thought you did a good job
of pointing out just the inherent voluntility in relievers, which
I know we all kind of talk about, and I
think people who listen to this show where read BEP
or fanographs or whatever understand, but it's very easy to
kind of forget or get caught up in a you know,

(17:30):
in the emotions of of either a trade or a
performance or whatever that. Like, again, I don't know how
much to care about Louis Varland because David Bednar, who
was consistently one of the best relievers in baseball, just
completely lost it for a season and a change at
the beginning of this season and then has come back
and been David Bednar. I mean, how much does it matter?

(17:53):
How quickly can it go away? Who gets it back
and who doesn't?

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Like you don't know, Yeah, it's a you need the
next good, good reliever, you don't need the current good reliever,
and that makes them very hard to do the deadline,
which we'll get to with the Tigers. The Tigers are
looking for the next good reliever.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Amongst only bad relievers. I think it's but but to
this point, like Camillo d'vall, Right, like Camillo duvall was
the next elite closer and then he wasn't and then
he was like kind of in between, and then he
got passed by Brian Walker and then he kind of
got it. Like, I don't know, is Camillo davall a

(18:33):
good addition we'll see.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, Like a lot of this is going to be
outcome based analysis, like it's hard to do process. But
they didn't give up a lot for him, right, No,
this was the well he's just Rodriguez is an interesting prospect,
but like he didn't give up a lot for him.
And again it's a lot of control.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, I mean, you know, Devall is both striking out
lesson and walking Lesson.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Down a little bit, but they gain consistent right yep.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, I mean again probably an improvement over.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
I mean, look, the reason the reason they had to
do this is because they you know, Luke Weaver is
having last year's David Bednar season right Like, it's the
he looks like the guy that was going to be
able to.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Right and that's the fucked out of nowhere and improved
the year before.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
And they trade for Devin Williams, who was really bad
to start, and that has been mostly Devin Williams is
since like you don't, yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
I can talk about a guy who's whose season is
wrecked on.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Ye a few outings, he's been very but he's been
really good.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
I mean like he's got a two nine uh and
like Luke Weaver somehow has a three to one e R.
So it's not quite the Bednar season. But again to
your point, his FIP is four two yeah, and and.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, that's been like he's been bad for like two
months now.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Right Again, the underlying st hell.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Is Tim Hill.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I know it's Tim Hill. He's gonna what he's gonna do.
We'll get this when we talk about Tyler Rogers.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Like right, right, Uh, you know, Fernando Cruz was a
nice edition in the off season, but it's just uh yeah,
I mean like, but but they had to keep doing this, right,
I mean they and and again this I mean they're
gonna be right, Like Jae Bird is probably going to
be a nice edition for them.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
I feel like with a lot of these reliever strats,
it's like the idea is, well, these guys aren't very good,
so that's why we need more.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, it's it's also wild because the Yankees keep doing
this right, Like last year was Mark Mark uh Junior
and like, you know, I remember our Slack conversation about
that with Jinny Patrick talking about like this is a
fucking steal and he was awful. Yeah, but then he's
actually like he's fine, Like he's.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Actually he's back. Yeah. Right, It's like you have control,
but he's missed some of the air and gets like yeah.
But I mean the issue is they're gonna be starting
Will Warning camp Schuitler in playoff games.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
That is me.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
That is more a lot of bullpen arms to throw
at the Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, everyone's just going to start playing. They're gonna start
running things.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I think the like that's that's fine when you're saying like, Okay,
we're gonna get five innings out of our bullpen in
the playoffs, I think if you're starting Will Warren and
Kim Schlittler. And and this applies to other teams too, right,
like if you're.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Like if you're starting sears or like.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
You might be getting you know, two innings two and
a third from a starter, and that's that's a different
ask than covering five innings from the bullpen, right like,
unless you have more long relief types or whatever to
get all you said Hayes Rodriguez and what trist was

(21:51):
and Parks Harbor that's not a real me. I mean
like that I don't even know to get Jake Bird.
It was Rock Reggio, Rock Regio.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, and Ben Shields.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
And Ben Shields Ugo is exlamely.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Rock Reggio is extremely right.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
And he's literally rock.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
That's ye rock for starters, but he's like a short
second basement with some.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
It's had a nice little production breakdown through this year.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Jeff Baker. Jeff Baker kind of like fantasy players will
be very excited. Yes, yeah, I love the Ben Shields
is just Austin Gomber, the next Austin Gomber. It's like,
just you know, just get your guys. Obviously you're gonna
get it.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
So they're available there out there, especially for you because
the other teams don't want them.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
So but aside from a starter, just a kind of
a zoom out thing on the Yankees, Like, I thought
they did a nice job this deadline. I would have
loved to see them get a starter.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Right there just wasn't like but there wasn't that.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
These guys weren't getting dealt. So I'm not I'm not
faulting them for that, but revamped the whole bullpen to
compensate a little bit for for the lack of a starter.
And then again I'm ed resar but I didn't put
it here but because we already got there. But like
Amed Rosario, Austin Slater, and Jose Caballero, you know, their
infield was a was a train wreck. And and not

(23:08):
that Rosario and Caballero make anyone feel warm and fuzzy,
But to me, the theme of this bullpen writ large
was this bullpen, this deadline writ large was like erase
your your zero's or your negatives, right, And I think
the Yankees did a good job of that with Slater,
Rosario and.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
And Caba the guys that will down the stretch and
in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Right.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Cabirero is a good defensive Caddy, you can run a
little bit. It's good. Bass steeler, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
I would talking about extraining games like that like that.
They're gonna have very specific roles that and and Rosario
can again we talked about it. But but hit lefties
and stand at it. You can leave them in the game. Caballero,
you can pinch run and put them in a position
like playing multiple positions and and be fine with it.

(23:58):
Slater can play probably play him in the center if
you had to, you don't want to, but like you
can put him in either corner. Those are nice.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Those are nice.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
But but here's the like and.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
All.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
This is all well and good, and if Aaron Judge's
elbow is actually worked, they're fucked anyways. Sure, but you
had to go under the assumption that he isn't.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
And we should note that just today they cut Marcus Stroumman,
speaking of e racing Zeros.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
I don't know who like the fifth starter is now?

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Is it Alan Winans?

Speaker 3 (24:33):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Is Ryan Yarborough getting healthy healthy? Yeah? Yeah, Jim hill Opener?

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Is it? They literally only list four?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah? I think Yarborough should be back fairly soon, maybe
the next time they need a fifth starter. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, there's an oblaque In is about right, and Louis
Lewis heel.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Is supposed only yeah on.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Him but yours. He's supposed to be back soon.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I believe he's yeah, rehaving already.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah. Also to the point, like I know, I just
keep going back. But like they did this with Jake Cousins,
the Yankees acquire relievers with control every year, every but
the point about the control is they have to do
it every year. Let's go to the Red Sox. Uh,
that was fun?

Speaker 3 (25:26):
What are the Rays?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
A much smaller list? They added Dustin May and Stephen Mattz.
They sent out James Tibbs and I didn't write and
Zach Erhart I don't know anything about him.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
And he was like a thirteenth rounder, decent performance.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Somebody Dodgers Org has a good report on him from
last year's draft, and they said throw him in there,
and you.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Know, and uh, and then blaize Jordan for Steven Natz. Yeah,
I gotta tell you, I know, Patrick, you just want
to move on. But like I don't understand, I understand
acquiring Dustin May the only teams that we're gonna tire.
Dustin May are like the Yankees and Red Sox, who
needs some meding and he's a penning free agent and whatever.

(26:14):
You just acquired James Tibbs as a relatively significant piece
in the Raphael Devers.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Significant The significant piece was contract, yes.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, but also and look, you cannot trust Greg Greslow,
and I understand that. But as we talked about at
the time, everything he said about it was that it
was not about the contract. And usually these guys are
fairly willing to be bloodless and say, like we wanted
to get out from under that once it's done. He
has not done that at any point. Tibbs comes back

(26:51):
as one of the four pieces and probably one of
the two main pieces in that deal, along with Kyle Harrison. Yeah,
sometimes you think maybe we have something here and then
you get it and you realize you.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Have a two sixty seven soggame percentage in Double A.
But it's like a month of games, right.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
He shouldn't He probably shouldn't have been at High A.
But they did dump him directly to jump him, sorry,
excuse me, directly to Double A where he really struggled. Yeah,
and maybe you you just say, yeah, this isn't for me, right,
Like I I put the thists.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
See, if you're treating a you know, a former first
rounder about a year off the draft, like short of
like him being terrible or hurt, which Tibbs is not,
you should be able to get more than like a
Dustin May Rendel if you want to put him right.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Well, that's what I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Take him the third piece and the Joe Ryan deal
or something.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
That that's the part that I don't understand. And it
feels like even if Tibbs, you know the fact that
two teams have have quit on a first rounder and
you know in this amount of time, doesn't sure. Oh well,
I would say you you mentioned when when the Dever's
deal happened, you know, arrow pointing down if it's doing
anything at all. Yeah, uh, And that's fair. And I

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think that's probably continued to be the case after this,
you know, month long experiment at double A, six weeks
at double A. But to get Tibbs for two months
of Dustin May who was getting squeezed out of your
rotation anyway, feels like a victory in and of itself.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Whether he that takes or not hitting development stuff in
that Org fits Tibb's game pretty well too though, right
he was there.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, and it's worth noting that Farahan Zaidi, who drafted Tibbs,
is an advisor in LA I believe, Brandon Gome said
after the draft, like Tibbs was high on their list.
She wasn't going to get to them, but he was.
He was on their list. So you know, this is
them taking a chance on a guy they liked previously.
You know, even even if things right.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Now, No, they did very well here for a guy
that they were clearly angling to trade, right.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, I mean like he was very much on the market.
Blake Snell is about to be back, and so he was,
and then you know, I don't know how much how
much is it of this is just playing pr but
Brandon Gomes said, uh, I'm gonna like we talked to Dustin.
We had some like you delicate but professional conversations, and
like he wanted to start. He's going into free agency

(29:14):
right like he's and you know, he didn't ask for
a trade, but he wanted to start, and so we
tried to like find a place for him to do that. Now, look,
that makes the Dodgers look good. I don't know how
how much I think he was on the market regardless.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Sure, but and he's probably better for than Walker Bueller
for the balance of the season right as sort of
up and down as he's been this year.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, I think yeah, I think that's the Red Sox
can get something at him that the Dodgers couldn't, you know,
I mean, you never know. I am.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
I am glad about two things. Obviously. The other rumored
destination was the Yankees. So not only have we avoided
short hair smooth dustin May the yorm, we get dustin
May in the yellow alternate Jerseys.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Uh. The other deal here Stephen Matts for Plazer. Matt's
has been very good against lefties. Sure foul, I mean yeah,
add to the bullpen, I don't, Jeff, do you want
to talk about place.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Jordan's fairly famous prospect when you reclassified, it's like a
seventeen year old. You know. They gave him over slot
in the third round I think two administrations ago. Now,
maybe maybe it was always blue because it was York
and Jordan neither of them Hoomers and is still in
New York. Now he's got some power he's probably a
first baseman, you know, like it's not I mean the

(30:38):
joke I made to Jared, who made the same exact
joke to a different person, not in the same chat,
is that they got their replacement for Luken Baker.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Right, I mean, this is who they always have. Who
was the replacement for I'm blanking on the who went
to toe?

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, I mean this is
this is the thing. Also, like I don't know, there's
been rumors swirling around Wilson Contreras getting traded for almost
since he signed basically, but like Contreras also seems to
keep getting hurt, so like they you know, having some

(31:17):
actual depth at first base is not not the worst
idea in the world. Uh, all right, that's it on Boston.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, do we want to said, I was desperately searching
for that quote about Oh, it's.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
In the I put it in. I put it in
the article Patrick. Oh yeah, he said, like someone asked
if May was going to be part of the rotation,
and I'm pulling it up right here because I don't
I don't want to say he's a Alan inspire. He said,
where does my profile in the rotation here's Breslo's answer

(31:51):
where our rotation has gone. We've followed Dustin fits into
that group.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
But it sounds so much like an answer, So like
all those words not only do they not only do
they have meanings, but they all like sound like they
go together. Is it really feels generated?

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I I think, like I said this online, but there
are two ways for me to read that, and they're
not mutually exclusive. I had a lot of people saying
like pork no los stoves, and I hear you on that.
It sounds like a dumb guy trying to sound smart,
or it sounds like a guy who has, if not

(32:36):
contempt for his audience, like no respect whatsoever to me.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
To me, it feels like now we have AI, we've lost.
I think the true beauty that is autocomplete. This feels
like every word was autocompleted in a text message.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Just an absolute, an absolute marvel of a sentence. I don't, Yeah,
I don't. I don't know Dustin fits into that.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Well, you know where this podcast is gone.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I have followed, Yeah, unfortunate, and we're going to fit
into We're going to see where you fit into that.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Patroom is now going to the race.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
It is now going to the race.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
This is the one I want to skip because this.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Is just like really because I need to ask that
is happened?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Fucking raised trade deadline?

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yeah, but you say that, but it's it's not though
I'm sorry, I'm sorry acquiring a name value reliever.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Well, but for for control, it's a lot of control.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Who cares? Do care?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
The race? And the race also discount the.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Model, says and they're also you can absolutely easily trade
him this offseason before any of that team control actually disappears.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Right, agree, every single I feel like.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Every trade the Rays made had nothing to.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Do with You want to talk about it, you want
to talk about assets.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
The Rays were just like, oh this ninety cent things,
we can get a freey eight cents?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Which get that is like how their model works.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
They see well, I said in the in the piece
that I wrote about it being relatively quiet up until
that point, I said, like, the Rays are the team
I think that makes the most sense to take advantage
of a deadline like this, and I think like we're
going to keep having where teams have to buy and
sell right at the same time, the Rays are good

(34:22):
at that kind of arbitrage. But Griffin Jacks really threw
me for a loop because name value relievers are a
thing that teams like the Rays don't value. And look,
he's also very good.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
It's not just like how much of how much is
Griffin Jackson name value relieve? Right, he's not.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
People talking about him this year is the best reliever
and he.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
But he's the twins a thin guy, right like he's not.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
He's your leaderboard sworder's favorite believer.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Sure, and I get that, but.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
That has a lot of value when people aren't shorting leaderboards.
But they were on Griffin Jacks right like everyone ever,
I mean, he was like the trendy non closer name Sure,
I think, I mean like I think if you go
a week, you know, go back a week in time
and say to someone, pick a closer or pick a
non closer, who's the best reliever in baseball, You're gonna
get Griffin Jacks as the majority of answer, at least

(35:23):
among our area.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
There's some overlap with that in the race probably like that's.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Not you, Yeah, no it's not. And to be clear,
like I'm not like this is insane. Griffin Jacks is
very good. I don't even think the costs was bad.
They tried. This was a Griffin Jacks for TODJ. Bradley.
I don't I don't even think that's it's a crazy
cost that they paid. So it's not like they paid
necessarily brand name value in that respect. It's just like

(35:50):
I just never would have guessed it was the race,
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Whereas Adrian Hauser was the most race Adrian Well.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
And this is like, you mean, doing the dance of
sending out Zach Lttel but bringing in Adrian Houser. That
is That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
It's like, this wasn't really Yeah, that's the thing that
they're selling sort of.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
But also I just don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
It's like they traded multiple like Matthew Etzel is a prospect.
Ben Peoples is a prospect. I guess that's all they just.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Got a year ago from from the Orioles. Uh yeah,
I mean Ben Peoples is an interesting They they sent
Paul Gervais to l a in that in that three.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Well, I guess they have nothing else to talk about
with the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
That's okay, fine, Yeah, I don't know. And then you know,
they dump Jose Caballero. That's fine, they don't need Jose Caballero.
But also like are they contented? I don't know. I
also don't think they care. I don't think they care
whether they're contending or buying or selling.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
They're just mean they care about It's completely like a
separate part of their brain, like they don't talk to
each other. What I will say, and this is a
reference that very few people are going to get and
fewer people will like. But like in video games, there
is often what are called skill trees, and oftentimes in
skill trees, you get a level and you can spend
that point on something to make your character better. And
generally that that point you spend is like on point

(37:15):
four percent extra damage like something something like theoretically you
need to do in order to keep up with the
power curve of the game. But also you do not
notice the difference. And that I feel like is the
rays of every deadline they they have, they have improved
their they're they're by point four percent, and then like
next week something battle were like literally that day when

(37:36):
three guys got hurt.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
They have what did they have? Like a four percent
more backstab damage in Haiti whatever.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
But then three of their guys broke and so you
know they're actually worse now than they were yesterday. Anyway,
Uh well.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
I did not. I opted. I posted about this. I
opted not to watch who got hurt what Randa got
hurt on?

Speaker 3 (37:56):
It was the bad one he got He basically the
uh let's see it was. It was a throw from
third base and uh Kimanaro like double clutched it and
then threw it late and pulled around off the bag
around the head to like do the sweep tag, except
he swept it right into Gan Carlos Stanton and just
immediately like the glove and the ball just exploded off

(38:19):
of him, like trying.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Is both like the absolute last guy you want to
have to run into physically and also the last guy
who would want anyone to run into them physically at
the same time, like I don't, Yeah, that is like, yeah,
he's a tank. It's like, no, he's the most fragile
man in the world.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
And also held record like that spring training game where
like ran into Brandon Moss and Moss just like bounced
off him.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
So yeah, that that was the bad one. I can't
remember the other tangents were, but they were a couple
more it was it was wet.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
So.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
They sent out Zach Letel and and Paul your base
in the three team trade that we're gonna talk to,
I guess in the Dodgers section.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
So you're gonna, but you're gonna.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Have to wait a little bit, you know. I thought
the White Sox, look, Adrian Hawser had to get dealt
and you know you're talking about who the best starter trade.
They might be Adrian Hawser, the new Adrian Hauser. I
don't know. Uh, they got Curtis Mead. I saw someone
say this is like mcgil argus too. I thought that

(39:25):
was a nice chore as we bemoan teams not picking
up veterans to flip for interesting guys like the White
Sox did it. Credit to the White Sox.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
I don't think they did it on purpose, but they
do it.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
And they're gonna like, look, they can't really develop anybody,
so you might as well get other teams post type guys.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I guess yeah, I mean, look, yeah, take it, take
a chance on on Mead, and I think again, like
it costs you Adrian Houser, who you picked up in season,
so like whatever, Uh also added to the Rays ever
since Perreira. Uh that was other people, guys Cavalero, Brian

(40:05):
van Bell. He does not matter. I don't even understand.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Mean, he's like he's a very razor lever.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
On the Red Sox got dfa the Reds a trade
and yeah, uh Hunter for Ducca again, we'll talk about
that later. H Nick Fortes. So they traded. They sent
out Danny Janssen very early in this deadline kind of
period and then immediately backfilled with Nick Fortes and then
later backfield more with Hunter Fuca.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Uh. Fuca has been in the Dodger system for quite
a while.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Uh, you know, solid z contact kind of mid eighties,
doesn't chase at all. Right, started hitting for more power a.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Couple of years ago. It's still not enough, yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Basically, but like if you want to hit him eight
or ninth and hope he draws you some walks, that's fine.
He's got a nine percent uh caught stealing this year.
It's been better in the past, but yeah, he's twenty eight.
By the way, Larry raised, I.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Don't guess you're getting his peak seasons for six, seven
hundred and sixty five thousand dollars or whatever.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
That well, like, could could he be a guy who's
like weirdly good for a year and a half for Tampa?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Absolutely, yes, but it won't be more than that.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Right, Yeah, I do like that. There's the catcher off
there still who's got negative defensive value, but it's all.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Arm, it's all.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yeah, right, Yeah, let's go to Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Oh my god, So do you want to read off
all the names.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Here, Craig, I'll just okay, I'll run down the names. Uh,
in r Boston, Bateman, Tyson, Neighbors, Tanner Smith, Brandon, Butterworth, Cobb,
High Tower, Victor Figueroa.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Alright, that's one trade.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Raymond Gomez, Anthony Ninez, Chandler Marsh, New Trade, Micah Ashman,
New Trade. Oh I did Raymond.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Mets it here?

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Sorry? Dietrich Ends new trade, Wilfree de la Cruz.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Is that a new trade? Yeah, it's a new trade.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
It's a separate trade, New trade, Twine, Swyane Palmer, New Trade,
Barren Watts Brown, New Trade, Wellington, Arisena and Cameron Foster
And yeah names uh, A lot of trades of of
either relievers or expiring contracts or both. They did trade
one or sorry to two people out in that category.

(42:20):
One is Charlie Morton. The other was Ramone Arias. Yeah,
they sent to San Diego Ryan o'hearne and Ramone Loriano
as a package. I thought that was it, We'll get
to San Diego. I though it was a nice bit
of business for them. They got back a lot of names,
they got back a lot of pictures, and frankly, a
lot of relievers in general in these deals. The others

(42:42):
were Cedric Mullins for Raymon Gomez, Anthony Unius, and.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Chandler marsh All.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Of whom are relievers. I'll just add in Gregory the
Soto deal to that. For Wellington, Arisenna and Cameron Foster
both relievers.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
I mean, Aristena is technically starting right now.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Oh, but he's like a future, yeah, the future relie.
And then Sir Anthony Dominguez h brought back where am
I here? Sir Anthony Minguez brought back Warren Brown?

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Who might start?

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Who might start? That's and he's an interesting he's a
first rounder, relatively recent. And again I don't know if
I even listed him in the Toronto Inns. I didn't,
but that's another like another.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Name, another name they sent out.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
It's kind of a high value trade for they sent
out Andrew Kittridge went to Chicago. I don't know which of.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
These Wilfree de la Cruz.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Wilfred de la Cruz. Okay, Twine Palmer was the return
for Ramon Orias, and that means Charlie Morton brought back.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Ashman was University of Utah's closer last year. Okay, he's
like the most average lefty, low nineties slider guy you
can think of, but he might pitch in the majors and.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
They and they got Dietrich ends for cash.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yes, yeah, that's just still some he's going to pitch
that point.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Jeff, I don't. I'm gonna leave this in your care
because I don't know. It's all prospects.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, I mean, I mean they again, they traded for
a lot of probably future relievers or present relievers, plus
a bunch of preps that the Padres have drafted in
the last two seasons and haven't developed well as the
preps they drafted the last two seasons and didn't trade.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
So yeah, I mean this is you know, it's one
of those things where I look.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
At it and they given the amount of like these
are pretty much all rentals, right, more or less. I
think has got some control left, but so so.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
And the Ninga's I think was not just a pure rental.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, that's right, but like they they got again, it's
I think they did well given what they were trading.
I don't think there was like necessarily a path to
doing better than this. Who you look at a rental
bats were going for especially, I think if you.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Want to have a complaint, it's how many of these
guys are already pure relievers.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Sure, and like.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
The Orioles have struggled in pitching development in general, and
the guys that they kind of had arrow pointing up
like they don't. And I have not checked on how
Jackson Baumeister has been doing this year, not like okay,
but he was an arrow up guy and they dealt
him and like at least had a chance to start,
right they had. I just think if you've been struggling

(45:38):
at pitching development, like, wouldn't you be trying to get
guys who could you could start? And look, maybe the
answer is they were trying and they just weren't there, right,
I mean major league starters weren't there, so maybe minor
league starters weren't either, But.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
You don't want to just because you're bad at something,
it doesn't mean should give up. Yeah, right, they're still
gonna need those pitchers.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Right, and and yeah, I don't know. I I think
it's weird too, because you know, I was, like I said,
I was reading Joshihin's kind of wrap up on this,
and like he's kind of down on O'Hearn But o'hearne
is one of the better bats being moved at this deadline,
and you package him with Loriano, who was also one
of the better bats being moved at this deadline.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
They get six prospects six.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, but like, so the problem is if the Neighbors
were five and six on our off season list, Neighbors
doesn't know where the ball is going, Yeah, and you
know Bateman's okay, yep, but they were five and six
on a kind of a bad right. Well, that's just
like past the top couple.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
The idea is like, Okay, instead of getting six guys,
get one or two better guys. But they also got
the five and six in the system, and they traded
the one in a different deal, right, like the Patria
don't I don't know if there was another team out there.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
No, I agree, I just would have wanted split them
up for whatever. But again, like this is a weird
deadline kind of so, I mean, I I will tell
you my my sense from seeing people who follow Baltimore,
and this has been the case all year, but like
they are.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
They should be fed up.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah, they are fed up with with Michael Ayas. I'm
not seeing. I did see one take that was like,
this is what he's good at, But I'm like, I
don't I don't even know if this is like.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
A they are. When I go and put together their
prospect list, there's gonna it's gonna be extremely deep. Yeah,
between the the extra draft picks they had this year.
But I'm gonna look at it and be like, okay,
like what are the actual like upside outcomes here for
these guys though, for like catum Bodine.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, right, anything else we want on Baltimore. Let's let's
do another division and then this is one of our breaks,
We'll go to the Al Central Detroit Tiger's up top. Obviously, boy, Patrick,
I'm gonna let you do this one. You did the

(48:01):
Reliever up I'm gonna let you handle this one.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah, Look, the idea is, if relievers don't matter, and
you're looking for the next reliever instead of the last one,
just get all them. Yeah, just like they I don't
think that all the relievers they picked up are good
enough to pitch for them. I'm really unsure as to
what Rafael Montaro's purpose is on this team or perhaps

(48:25):
in the sport in general. But they just they just
loaded up on a bunch of They basically just like
hit the free box, the free table at work and
just just just started dragging stuff into their like pulled
their shirt up into in a little scoop and just
like started shoveling stuff in like a supermarket.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
And they traded a bunch of low miners. Really, I guess, yes,
got promoted a double A, but they basically traded a
bunch of low miners relievers for.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Of some Also, none of these guys are are any well.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yeah, Like but here's the thing that, like the variant swamps,
everything cuts both ways. Right. Yeah, we've seen Rafael Montero
have a good two months and pitchwell in the playoffs.
This is like a by saying it's going to happen.
Absolutely not, but like it's not.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Sports taking a shot on absolutely and.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Then out the middle slash bottom end of their their
pen already.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
And they have Like the other thing about the Tigers
is that they have four good reladers, right, they have
the top of their this is the turn in.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
The middle, right they also and as far as uh,
Morton goes like, they just lost results it so you
need you need to get through this. I don't think
Morton matters for the playoffs too much, but like you,
you got to get through the season. Yeah, and out
outside of his just absolute you know, getting bombed in

(49:52):
the beginning of the scene season, he's been okay. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
It's funny because spinning against the biggest name of this
group and probably the least likely to be good, he's
really really fallen on hard times in the last month.
He's basically doubled a z R in the last three weeks.
I think, uh, the one I think the name on
the list that I think is most interesting is Cody here.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Who only he had problems. He got hurt.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Believe yes, I know, because the Rangers basically just didn't
never and he they haven't called him up all year.
And know, to be fair, you know, the Rangers bullpen
is actually competent this year, and like there are past
Rangers bullpens that I think Cody here would have easily
made him on too. He's like doing he was doing
fine and triple A like he's clearly just coming back,
but he's striking out ten for nine, walking less than

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three like that, there's the arm is alive again.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
I think. But that's just it.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Like if it isn't whatever, you just throw him out.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
I don't know if I agree with his philosophy, but
it is it's a philosophy like this, this is an
ethos here now, like you know, was this enough? The
Tigers are in a weird place in general. I don't
know how I would feel about them if I were
a fan of them. Well, because I.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Talked to a Tiger's fan he was not happy with
the deadline.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
I can't I get it.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
And also like they've they've righted the ship after that
bad run. They're going to win their division and probably
get a buy. I just don't you run into this
problem where like the playoffs are so long now and
so again you want to talk about variants, right, like

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to look at the rest of the teams in the
day out, Like, who are the Tigers really going to
be an underdog against in their current construction? Right, Like obviously,
like the bottom of that lineup isn't great. They have
their issues with left they have flaws, but all these
teams have flaws.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, well there's no there's no great team right this year?
And I think, you know, this is another team that
really could.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Have is a good starter, And yeah they weren't.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
They weren't there, and I think they could have got
I think they should have gone for one of the
third basements. Honestly, they should have let they should have
given given themselves. Zach McKinstry isn't as insurance as a treat.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
And especially you know getting Suarez, that line up dead
lean left handed, So yeah, you want your best ready
bats to be like Spencer Charcoals and once you Perez
like having a third one in there.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I mean they just didn't have.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
But also bas hasn't been good recently, so so.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Yeah, it's an underwhelming deadline. Again, I like Toronto, Like
this is a tough deadline I think for the great
teams because.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Great in like there, well they teams are.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Great in baseball, Like this year, I just think yeah,
this is a quantity year for trading.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Yeah, I mean I didn't run through the individual deals,
but like I don't please Cleveland Guardians. We talked about
Shane Bieber. They got cal Stephen. Nice bit of business.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Nice fit for them too, Like he's actually taken. He
started taking some of the jumps last year in college.
He's continued to pitch well in the in the pros
this year. It's a nice fit for them.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Yeah. Yeah. And then I WHI which which one of
these guys was the return for Seawalt?

Speaker 2 (53:20):
That was the cash considerations. That's only pitched, Like, yeah,
he's barely pitched.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Yeah. Uh. In Kansas City, it's.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
A yeah, yeah sure sure.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Oh we missed somebody go on the Kansas City list.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah we missed.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
So they brought in three pitchers, Bailly Falter, Ryan Berger.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Here's here's all your innings.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yeah, well, I mean you should know Chris is probably
they moved to sixty day. Yeah, they're replacing Chris Blue
Bitch with Bailey Falter.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Just still down.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yeah the thing you can do.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yeah, I mean, look like they got guys who probably
are decent. It fits for their part, like Bailey Falter I'm.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Not as like it's like Michael Lorenzen replacement kind of this.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
This was again like they had nothing past Noah Camera, right,
they signed rich Hill? Yes, like they pulled the one
lever they had with camera. This is why I was like, boy,
do you want to trade Brady Singer? Are you? Like?
I'm not even saying he's great, but do you want to?
Are you sure? And the result is like you had

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to go get But again, this was like.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
They didn't have I guess the zero.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Zeros.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
They're a game under five hundred and are ny hard
buying but buying, and the Guardians are fringe buying. They're
fringe buying and the Guardians are selling sellings. They couldn't
really trade anything off the major league roster of note.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
I guess the Guardians.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
I know we've already moved on from the Guardians, But
are you surprised they didn't trade Stephen Kwan?

Speaker 3 (54:56):
No?

Speaker 1 (54:57):
I mean I said before that it sounded like they
were gonna be willing to Yeah, and then Quan's gonna
be a pillar of their idi eight win team next year.
My understanding with the Guardians is they basically set a
price on a guy, and they don't budge. And I think,
you know, I think they were willing to trade Kwan

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if they got the price they wanted, and they didn't.
It sounded like the Padres and the Dodgers were the
two men in Toronto. I guess we're the three teams
kind of in on him, and I get I guess
I'm surprised they didn't trade him in the sense that,
like there was such little impact getting moved that I
thought someone might might be desperate enough to do it right,

(55:40):
to meet to meet the price. But they are. I'm
not surprised in the sense that if they don't get
what they want, they just don't do it. It's it's
less of a negotiation than it is. You know, are
you gonna meet Are you gonna meet me where I
want to be met?

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Right, It's not just like taking the bed. It's like
you got to meet the reserve price, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
And and so I'm a little surprised. And again I think,
I don't know. Maybe if they were, I think they
probably could have gotten a really nice steal, yeah, if
they so chose. But you know, they can probably get
a really nice deal in the off season or next year.
Or two. Sure, So for Kansas City they also added

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Mike Yastremski. Well, I think they didn't. I don't think
it's enough. I don't think it matters necessarily. But as
far as tinkering around the margins goes and patching up
some of the zero's getting depth guys they traded. I
think the biggest guy that they traded was Freddy for mean,
who was generally catching along with Salperez. Salperez is like
hitting again, So I guess they're just they're saying, like

(56:47):
we're just gonna do.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
All of their top prospects are catchers.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Right, Yeah, it's like Carter Jensen.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Ritter Jensen, Blake Mitchell the other Ramon Ramirez I think
is the other one, and and.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Like Freddy Freeman. Freeman, Freddy guys, I'm so tired. Ye
for me is like a league average.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Catcher, sure, which maybe a little And.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
That's a huge upgrade for the Padres. Right, So I
think that made made sense. Again, the Royals get some
some pitching depth and ystrom Sky again, even if he's
a little bit below the average, is a huge step
up for them.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
In in an outfield spot, we'll go to the Twins.
This is this is the one, the really active one
in this division. They sent out most of the roster. Yeah, yeah,
how do we want to go through these?

Speaker 2 (57:48):
I mean, it's a good question.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
I don't think the inn matters too much.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
I don't know. So let's let's Carlos Korea. They sent
back to Houston, yes, for Matt mc and frankly just
for with Carlos Korea. But they're they're still going to
save some money. Korea is gonna well, we'll get to
Houston later, but he'll play third for them. It's yeah,

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there's a lot of there's been a lot of discourse
as much as there can be around the Twins and
this stadline. They're like the one team that that really
was in the middle and sold. Yeah, and I feel
like they did pretty well.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
With their thin They did very well. Yeah. Yeah, you
look at you look at who they like. It's all
sort of you know, orbits around the Korea trade in
a lot of ways, right, And I don't want to
they you know, they did lose Duran, not lose, but
traded Duran, and Jack's right, so it does put a
pretty in violin. They traded basically the entire late endings

(58:53):
of their pen But you look at who they got
back and you can see why why. But you can
also see like they'll probably be okay next year. Like
it's not like they're going to take a huge dip.
I don't think. You know, they got guys that could
could help them, right, Like Mike Abel could be a

(59:15):
late ending reliever for them next year.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Well they're going to try and start.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Him, Yeah, probably, you know Bradley I.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Was talking about this, but I said, like, you know,
look like they could he could be Louis Louis Varmon.
I mean, he could be better than Louis, but like,
like he could be that.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
You know, Bradley is probably going to be in the
rotation but could move to relief at some point too. Right,
So I don't like, I don't like.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Very twins, right, Like Alan Roaden is like a guy,
Like maybe he'll be a guy, maybe he won't.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Probably, And look what hell they're going to reinvest that
Kara money in the team, Yes, a lot. But like
Krea himself has not been a great player for them, right.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
He's been fine. He's a three win player at this
point in his career. Yeah, if you take the creator
it out this this deadline seems like, you know, a
reasonable action, and I just think that the creator trade
like for what it represents.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Just it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
It's like much worse vibes than as it's right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
It is the end of a a and look like
they've already been falling short of any sort of commitment.
But like when they signed him, it felt like a
commitment to compete for at least life of that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Contract, right and like or at least the guaranteed here
six six years. It's a reminder of how much the
pole Ads treat commitments.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Yeah, yeah, I will point out though, well I don't
think they've Look, I think they have to do some
stuff to get back to where they are next year.
But for the rest of this year, they did call
up both Jose Urania and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
I put them the doc sign sign Nobil Chrisma something
become America. I think. Yeah, they traded Willie Castro.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yep, look again that's fine as a rental. So like
that's a trade you're gonna make.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Yeah, I'm not even okay. So I talked corriah Uh. Look,
they kicked this off with Joan Duran going to the Phillies.
We to you said in the table.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Is the you know, he was fifty first on our
mid season fifty looks. He's not gonna be a twenty
twenty six or probably been a twenty twenty seven factor,
but he's one of the best catching prospects in baseball
and he might actually catch.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Right massive eggsit velocities.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Especially which especially Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Trade that I thought was the weird one the hardest
time with was the Dodgers trade Brock Stewart for for Alman.
I don't to me this was the Miguel Marks trade.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Uh, for obvious, you know, connective reasons, but also just
because like he is going to a team where he's
like literally will just like play a man outfield because
there's there aren't three outfielders just he's gonna be there's
a lot of And.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
They also called up Auston Martin, so they have three outfielders.
They have Alan Rodan, Austin Martin, and James Outman.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
I'm just liking he's going to be staring in the
middle distance so much.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Yeah, he's going to get that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
So like I'm gonna be, like Buckston said, I'm going
to be in Minnesota for the rest of my.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
My, Yeah, nobody else's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
And it's like, do you I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I wonder if he rethinks that ye might as possible
because it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Things looked different, at least for the future. So like, yeah,
outman is a little bit you know you maybe they
have an idea of what they can can do with him.
I don't know. Obviously the Dodgers have tried it hasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
I mean probably the one thing they haven't tried is
just letting him play.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
The Dodgers did that for a while, and they didn't
until it didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Yeah, and look, brock Stewart is death on righty's it's
like a sub four hundred ops against right handed because
there's this exactly the kind of guy that Dodgers needed,
also hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
All the time, just which fs Dodgers with the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Absolutely for Doran. They got Henry No, I'm sorry, we
talked about it. Sorry, who what is I got turned around?
We talked about Doran Castro. They traded Danny kolomb Yeah,

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Harrison Bader, oh for for Bader went to Philly also, right,
and is that Henry Mendes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
That's Henry Mendez.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Yeah, Okay, And Jeremy Valoria. Yeah, you know, Menda is
an interesting, good solid like there's some good stuff. There's
definitely everything's right into the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Yeah, he's been around forever, like he was a brewer's top.
And it's also traded. Yeah, yeah, it's fine whatever, Yeah, yeah,
it's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Yeah. Again, we talked Varland. I thought a nice return
for Varland that was Kendrey Rojas and Alan Rodin.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
I don't know any they trade Chris Paddock and Randy
Dobnak and here too right to the type was Jimenez
is like a vaguely interesting catching prospect two years ago
that probably isn't a catcher, But what if I get
like you can see again it's for like Chris Paddock
and Randy like they got.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
We didn't talk about Paddock for the Tigers again, just backfilling,
and you know he needed that. Do we have anything
larger picture on Minnesota other.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Than again, I don't like they're trying to sell that
team too, right, So it's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I guess the question for me is is, and we've
been kind of talking about this in the the BP slack,
like they didn't trade Joe Riding, they didn't trade Pablo Lopez.
They didn't trade Byron Buxton. The latter two are hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
They can can right right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
They also have I don't know what less than forty
million on the books for next year. I think right
now something like that, like like, yeah, you can draw
it down further, but anyone buying that team should not
care about the amount of money on the books.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Yeah, once you've gotten that Korea deal or at least
a large chunk of it off.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
That's the That's basically and yeah, I mean I thought
Bradley and Able our interesting gambles to take. I don't
know that they maxed out the value on a guy
like Joan Duran. Getting Able and Take.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Just didn't seem like a lot of you think.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
But teenage catchers are a.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Right cohort for all the The other problem is because
so many relievers were moved. I think it kept the
general christ down.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Yeah, yeah, outside of Mason Miller.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Outside of Mason Miller, which we'll get to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
And then the White Sox we talked about Howser and Slater. Again,
it's more about what the White Sox didn't do. My
talkman didn't move out how to let happened? Louise Robert.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
The rubber thing is wild to me because like the whole.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Time talking about how they're going to pick up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Which seems like a thing that you say in the
media to get the but like, are they actually going
to do it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
I was messaging with James Sphegan. I was like really,
and he said, well, he did caveat it, and like
unless he's hurt or like poor production or something right
that and he's like, well, what are the things that
he's doing lately?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
About twenty million dollars option on a positively replacement that
I am surprised.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
The team that needed some outfield help didn't take a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Apparently were legitimately.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
A million teams were interested, Like it felt like there
were more teams interested in Robert than teams exist.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
And then at a certain point you move on, right,
you ad for Harrison, battered Mullins and the the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Look the Louise Robert thing is one thing. How do
you not trade Mike Talk that's why he's he's having
a good year. That's wild to me, That's that's nuts
to me. I mean, how do you not trade Mike
talkman to to to Philly who's like struggling through Max

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Kepler right now, right right. You don't have to get
anything good, but just get him out of there. Do
something that's insane to me. Look, I like the meat
gamble you mentioned. Then people's as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Interesting the Rays have like ten of these arms.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Yeah, the white socks don't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
That's the right thoughts do not?

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
All right, that's the central Shall we take yes? Should
we take a break and be back with the show? Sure,
see you on the other side. Welcome back to episode

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four hundred and seventy nine of five and dive. We're
two divisions down, four to go. We're on the al West.
We'll start with the Astros, who brought back Carlos Korea.
That was the main move. They also addressed some of
their lingering outfield issues. I don't know, do we think
this means less time for Taylor Turmuel. I know he's hitting.

(01:08:39):
You don't ever let me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
I mean. Also, none of these guys can play center field,
like you're putting Snchez is going to play, so I
have to assume centerfield. He was he not playing center
field for the Marlins. It was Dane Myers.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Yeah, I thought he but he did play.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
He has played some center field Astro Myers. Yeah, I
mean maybe it might be more of like a platoon
ish thing, right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Yeah. And then also Ramone Arias, which is again they've
just had a lot of infield. He saw Cretis is
out for seemingly the year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Yes, it keeps getting more severe every time the Astros
have to talk about it. Yeah, so hope he will
be ready for opening Day next year, they hope. Yes,
that's what they say for a hamstring injury. Hamstring tear apparently.
Oh yeah, that's what they finally they finally figured out
it's torn. I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
So Cooper Hummel has played seven of the last eleven
games and left fields.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
So there's there's Sanchez explanation. Yeah, Carlos is going to
play third base, Ramone.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Wherever else.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Yeah, I have to assume this also means like the
pain is back, right or about to be back? Yeah,
I assume that's Bryce Matthews go who has hit three
home runs but five hits total, and it's been a
it's been a rough.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
And Dubon who can bounce back and forth to field
and now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Right Arias right, Well, well, I assume Dubon will get
more time in the outfield. Because why else Ramona Arias again,
that's a nice that's a that's a very like Ahmed
Rosario backfille.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Look, they're gonna in this division. They've got a good
shot at the bye. I don't know why they brought
back Carlos Korea, but I also know why they brought
back Carlos Kore.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Yeah, I mean, like, I think Korea is a tough one,
right because he he was really really good last year.
He was he has not been good this year.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
He's hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
He's been hurt. But like his second year in Minnesota,
he was very good. His first year in Minnesota, he
was his second year in Minnesota, he was not good
with the bat. I think he was like his his
glove kind of saved his value a little bit. But
then he was really good with the bat last year
and kind and good defensively and then got plantar fasciitis

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and it's kind of just tanked since then. Ever since
coming back from that. I don't know if third base
alleviates that a little bit or not.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Also, what are you doing with him next year?

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Yeah? Moving back and yeah, like they.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Hope, but yeah, at some point he will I don't
know you again, it's a thing you can do.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
But like, right, you've locked down first base, DH should
be yord On.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Smith appears to just be the right fielder now right, Yes,
he is just the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Right fielder you you presume for next year. Jord On
Alvarez is d H. So there really isn't somewhere for
all of those guys. I don't know, if correct, he'd
be really big for a second baseman. Yeah, you could
play him in a short and paina at second, but

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that's horror. That's why.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Well, offensively, you don't want all two being left right
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
It was either yeah, I've done it before.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
It is a lot of weird it. Also they've stopped
brilliant bitting pieces.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
But yeah, yeah, plays like once a week out there. Nowadays,
it seems like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
I don't know how much of this they're actually have.
They announced much of the twins are actually eating. Well,
they wanted fifty they didn't get fair enough. I mean
they're paying like a lot of money for Korea before
you get to the team options or whatever. Yeah, you
look back like six months later, why did they just

(01:12:43):
sign Alex Bragman, Like to get to this piece? I know,
like they have more information now with the Paradis injury.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
But like, right, it also feels like everything this organization
does is based on how.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Thirty three million, okay, ninety four.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
It feels like everything this organization does is based on
how how much the people like each other or just
like each other, And it's all about what's said in
the room, and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Like who's in the room and anything. Who's in the
room by ways the same people, right, Maybe certain people
that showed up for the trade deadline that maybe didn't
show up in June as much. Maybe they dialed into
some of the meetings.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Somebody couldn't get take care and ye change the Astros trajection.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Yeah, I just don't how meaningful an addition is this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
I mean, I think it's like it's like, I still
think Carlos Korea salary aside is probably like a credible
Major League regular.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
A third, so.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
That helps them. It's not Bright's Matthews, right, I.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Mean, at the same time, such a weird team, like
of the division of the division leaders, I think the
Astros did the most right, Like, I mean, other than
you know, maybe the Blue Jays.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
I'm looking at their roster resourcing. Obviously they have time
to adjust this, but there are fifteen position players. Yeah,
there are also twelve pictures, so there's twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
You can't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Yeah, you can't do that. I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
I don't think Cooper Hummel is long for this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Yeah, I'm sure not well. And also Bryce Matthews is
listed that you will he will get sent down, yeah,
of course, but they have to add pain. So I
don't know. I also think like the Astros sent out
Ryan Gusto as part of the lead part of the
sesus excuse me, Jesus Sanchez trade, Like their rotation is

(01:14:50):
is a Hunter Brown, I mean from Revald as Hunter Brown,
Colton Gordon, and Jason Alexander right now?

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Yeah, yeah, if it goes wrong, that's how it goes wrong.
The Colors maybe shows up.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Yeah, I mean, well, Luis Garcia is still working his
way back from Tommy John surgery, but supposed to be
available at some point this year. Like, but it is.
I don't know, It's just I've just done it. They've
done it with Gordon and Gusta, right, Like, maybe that's fine.
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Moore aj Bluebach on the stretch.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Sure, maybe, I don't know. It's a weird. It's a
weird these I think these are nice additions to this
year's team, right in terms of the bats, like that's
a that's a more comprehensive lineup now all of a sudden,
But trading away from the pitching felt weird to me. Uh,

(01:15:47):
I don't know if I do any of the prospects,
are they worth talking like other than.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
His name, Chase Jowarski is like okay, mm hmm, but yeah,
they did not move a ton out here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
For ye know, but give them what they've been able
to do. I think adding.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
You know, I don't know, like you look at it,
but this is like it, you know, a nice, nice
attention like Sanchez and Furious are the kind of players
you add when you're going to win the division but
need a little more lineup depth with some leverage, you know,
to fill in some of the some of the bench holes.
Because you look at the lineup right like almost if

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is gonna be back, but they're pretty well set. That's
side Taylor Tremmel playing center for some reason. But like
they they made like the basic division winner moves, like
you would have liked them to have a starter, but
there wasn't out there stars.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
The Seattle Mariners traded for the Arizona Diamondbacks corner infielders. Yeah, yes,
they not not in one d but they picked up
Josh Naylor. I did. We we talked about that last pod. Yeah, okay,
So I don't want to get too far into that.
Aney A Suarez, the most guaranteed man to get traded,

(01:17:12):
did in fact get traded. Jerry Depoto loves re acquiring guys,
does I was? I had said, I thought it would
be funny when Jerry Depoto paid more to reacquire are
than than he got when when he sent him out
the first time. I don't know that he did.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
He did, he did, Okay, I don't know if you
remember what they got for? See what Isabella was a
major part of that trade. And let's see, well not
major was one of the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Who was the other player?

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
The other one was? Let me see it was he's
a he has been a uh A reliever all year.
And see it's Carlos Fargas.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Oh right, he's he's been okay for them.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
He's been okay. He's striking out six for nine. He's okay,
that's not great. Yeah, but Jerry did take the opportunity
to wax On how much he regretted making the trade
in the first place.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
No, I mean, ye again, hindsight there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Ownership didn't they loved getting out from under that contract.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Uh, it was a good trade. Is Tyler Locklear, Wan
Burgos and Hunter Cranton? Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
The Diamondbacks went with major league ready talent and whenever
you do that, it's always gonna look kind of underwhelming.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
I mean I get like Lockleers, like the way they
were setting this up right, and the media was that
they wanted like a significant return to trade him, and
it sounded like giving the teams that needed third base help,
especially among the contenders, they would be able to bid
it up. And I just didn't happen, right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
The Yankees when got Ryan Man, Yeah, the Reds got Hayes.
The Reds got Hayes, like the I think they're just
the market Carlos. But that was after this.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
I think was clear they've been going after that was
their plan.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
I think Suarez is a pending free agent with some
money still on his deal. I think the idea it
was both going to beat a lot for the fact
that he's a hen as far as and a pending
free agent with some money on his deal. But I
don't think it was ever going to be like a
crazy term, right, Like there's just there's just not enough

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control any and like, you know, I saw Mike Petriello
kind of talking about this in terms of he adjusted
his stance. He's chasing a lot less, So maybe you
buy the adjustments here, right, But he's still swings and
this is a lot in his own He's ambushing fastballs.
You wrote about that, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
Yeah, and he has sacrificed everything to just get in
front of every fastball he can't and so he is
actually whipping more.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
He is like, but he's chasing less. He's chasing less
because he is.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Just going after strike one rather than waiting to get
to strike two.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
You know, good.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
A good way to chase less is to never have
two strike counts. And so he is just literally like,
I don't care. I'm not gonna walk, I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna strike out. I'm just gonna get the
first pitch I can reach, and I'm going to hit
it eighteen inches in front of the plate and pull
it to you know, six degrees, and that's enough.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
It works.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
It is it is a good trade that he has
made to do that because his bat speed is average,
Like he doesn't swing the ball but swing the bat
particularly hard. He just maximizes every single spike and he's strong.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Like he's a strong guys. Yeah, so you get some
some some just you know, muscle power as opposed to
bat speed power involved and yeah, look see I don't
need it to make these improvements. I thought Nailor is
a good fit, you know, Suarez, Like they moved on
from Suarez, so I don't know, they moved on for
Suarez and instantly regretted it and regretted it more with

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every single person they tried to fill in with it, right,
like fair enough they went straight to Josh. Also, wasn't
killing it for them?

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
I guess no, Yeah, no, the second year in Seattle
was a little bit of a down year. Yeah, Adrian
Beltrez last year in Seattle was a pretty down year too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
A lot of his zeers in Seattle were done. It
turns out playing in Seattle.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Is is you know yeahs I wrote, like knowing Suarez
actually can play well, there was like we all made
fun of the Mariners for getting him back, but like
there's some known quantity quality there knowing it works in
the park right there, and I look.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Again, these are important additions to a lineup that needed
needed some beef.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
To Yes, yep, if they'd only gotten a picture, which
I think we could say that line like ten times
and again wasn't wasn't there and didn't get traded and
uh who and didn't be traded? Yeah, and ten teams
could have used Ander Heini, but the Mariners really could
have used yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Uh, Tyler Lockley, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
Jeff, Yeah, I mean he's like I don't like you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
You know, we saw Michael Donaldeo saw something from Twitter,
but there was a swing change and the numbers have
been very good since the swing changed.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
It's five weeks. Like I don't know, he was like
a decent prospect before that, but like I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
I'm rooting for it, mostly because I just think it'll
be very funny for the Diamondbacks to hanager the Mariners
after the Mariner's hand.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
On the same thing, the planet, you know, Josh Naylor.
They also have Peven Smith, but Smith can play some outfield,
and they have yeah, and you know, like like on it,
like I will say it's on its face. This is
fine for any swears rental. Yeah, but I think I
just thought.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
I think if you go to Tyler Lockleyer two months ago,
it feels it would feel.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Bad, right, but if you go to Tyler lock in
the season, it probably feels better. Like it's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Yeah. They also picked up Caleb Ferguson. Yeah, sure, sure fine.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
I'm gonna use the podcast to finally publicly declare my
hatred for Caleb Ferguson. Ok, mostly just because I do
not care for the fact that his last name has
three shaws in it and they all have different letters. Yep, Okay,
they all have the same bat all sound, they all
have different letters, and I'm going to mistype it every
single time, and even when I type it correctly now
I will have to stop and go wait, is that right? No,

(01:23:31):
that's not the I've memorized it the wrong way and
I'm doing it the wrong way from the wrong way.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Which there's there's some inside baseball here, but uh, West Coaster.
Patrick Debuke did send a message to our to our
group chat asking how we pronounced Ferguson.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Well, because I assumed you guys had like some sort
of secret e or something that you guys pronounced that
that makes it sound.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
I think it's the you that would be like I
told you. I think you say it's fast enough, it
doesn't matter, but like it is. It is for Guson
as it supposed to get, but like it doesn't matter. Yeah, no,
it's close.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
It's like borderline to me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Yeah, Argie, that's the.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
App Yeah, the Rangers perfectly good deadline deadline for the Mariners,
you know better better pre like they needed to do
this day before the deadline.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
An they needed to do more than this, but they
also for the Mariners, got closer to doing enough enough
than they usually do.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Yeah. The Rangers, Yeah, another team kind of caught in between.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Yeah, I mean I thought they this was a bye.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
I mean it was a by, but it was. It's
Merrill Kelly and Kelly is good. Kelly is fine.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Daniel Kloon have a nice addition to this full having
Patrick hitters.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Yeah, well they didn't need they like they need they
needed to We keep.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Talking about pitching not being available, and they got Merril
Kelly and like they have the gram and Evaldi and like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
It's wild to me that John Peterson is just going
to keep deaging the rest of the year. He is
hitting one twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
It's this. This deadline was just teams looking at the
roster and saying, I'll keep drinking more of that car. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
I mean they're tied with the Mariners for the last
wildcard spot. Yeah, I mean who, I guess do you
think is the favorite? They start a series tonight, right,
or they play yesterday, they play day.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
They're playing four games ahead at the end of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
I don't know that I believe that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Well, I guess three and a half. It's Texas eighty
four and a half, but eighty eight to eighty four
and a half at the end of the season, Texas's
lineup is wolf.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Yeah. They're both five games over five hundred. Yeah, and
they play each other this weekend. Yeah, I don't Yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
No, Texas has four games over five hundred. Seattle has
a game. It's fifty eight and fifty two verse fifty
seven to fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
They did one last night. Okay, b rif just doesn't
updated yet for some reason. It's fine, so I guess
that does make a difference. But yes, they played Toad.
They play each other the rest of the weekend as well.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Well, it's a big series.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
It's a big, big series.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
That's what to watch. We're not doing what to watch.
But also then you have to watch the Rangers against
the Mariners.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
But yeah, yeah, well except for me, I don't get
for you, you don't know it's it's but but the.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Rangers like it's a bye, but it's also and look,
I'm not trying to no shade to Merrill Keill. He's
a good picture, Danny and Danny Colum's a good reliever
and film a tone Patrick, Can you just say what
you wrote in the Ta the film, I.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
Thought that was perfect for which one. Sorry Phil for
filmmateson Oh you have already forgotten.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Oh. It was basically like having like the emotions that
people have around middle relievers or whatever, and it was
like some teams don't really care like the fan bases
and how they care about him, and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Like, oh, let's see, he'll be welcome in Texas, but
probably not beloved to particularly trusted, which is fine. That's
the life of a middle reliever anyway. In this modern game,
here either a bronan or a beggar. Only the legends
get to buy homes. Someone else gets hugged when the
game in someone else gets the bucket of water. You know,
the real symbol of your accomplishments, the little metaphorical clear
Reson award on your metaphorical desk, is when another team

(01:27:34):
needs you and they're willing to trade a couple of
young men who's ninety ninth percentile outcomes or someday BEU
so you can give their heroes a chance to say
the day. There are worse roles and even more thankless ones.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
But I mean even the section before that, Oh, it's
just like, yeah, no, you don't have to read the
whole thing. I just I thought it was. It was
a great distillation of of like how it feels to be.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Been on a lot of teams, and I feel like
you're described your coach is exactly how it would describe
his MAT's tenure last year.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
Yeah he was good for the men about yeah yeah, yeah,
just held him in arms, like like, yeah, you're you're
doing well, but you could be bad tomorrow, so we're
just gonna treat you like you probably are.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
He doesn't throw that hard either as part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
Yeah, he strikes everyone out, but you can't really tell why. Yeah, yeah,
he's a good reliever.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
But like you know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
He is. He's the perfect example of like are you
buying what he was? And you can never trust him?

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
So yeah, he's a beautiful Deadline edition. Yeah, like he's
the perfect like the platonic ideal relief Deadline edition. Do
we have anything else you want to say about the Rangers? No?
You know the price I guess the price for for Kelly.

(01:28:56):
Do you want to Mitch Bratt and Cold Drake? Do
you want to address Jeffrey?

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Sure? I mean it's like, it's fine and the Rangers
that you got, you got what you get out of
the Rangers system for that deal guy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
Last year they had a bunch of pop up arms.
They all got hurt except for Drake.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Yeah, more or less, and and.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
So you know then they deal him. He's an interesting
arm to take a chance on. Bratt seems like yeah, fine, fine,
yeah again.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Yeah he's older than you think he is, and you
think he's pretty old already.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
And yeah the Angels. Sure, is this the softest buy
of all time? It is? I as soon as I happened,
I said, I think Oswald Parrazza is the most meaningless
Steadline acquisition this year. I don't like they picked up

(01:29:54):
Andrew Chaffin and Luis Garcia from the Nationals uh for
twice failed pitching prospect Jake a Dare Eater.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Maybe I don't know, it's eater.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Apparently it is, okay, and then Oswald Parrazza for Wilerson Topana. Yeah,
I don't know. I don't even know where Oswald Parazza
is playing on this team, which is weird because it
doesn't seem like it should be hard to find playing
time on this team.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
They didn't well, like they didn't trade Mancata because they
didn't sell.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
So yeah, yeah, wherever Louis Rinhifo is that day you
just put Parazza and like just literally have Paraza just
escort escort Reneve, just walk them around following behind him menacingly.
I don't know, all right, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
On the Angels, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
I mean they should, like to be clear, they should
have sold. They had a lot of like bats.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Yes, they absolute should have sold.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
The should guess they were like one game under when
they decided to buy, but but they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Buy the chafe In and Scarcia. It paints me because
like every time and a half it's they're four and
a half back, right, Like, it's fine, that's not like
that far back to do a bye. But you didn't
then buy right, mostly because you have no currency? Yes, right,

(01:31:19):
I mean, like, I'm sure they would have liked to
do something else. They have no currency.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
They also badly starters and there were no starters.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
There were no starters. But like, should they have sold
Taylor Ward? Yes, yes, Should they have traded Joe Adel
Oh yes.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Yes, Merge probably yeah. Yeah, they put Jose Soriano out there,
they would have gotten a holiday.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
A starter available, Jesus trade you Secukuci.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Tyler Anderson right, literally, Tyler Anderson.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Yeah. No, the Sacramento Athletics winners of the deadline, I
want no through no, not through their own volition. Yeah,
I mean even like I they trade Mason Miller and
JP Sears for Leo Devrees, Bryden met Henry Biez and

(01:32:15):
eduardiel Nunez. Yep, I saw a lot of Look, this
was a big item when it broke, it is a
big item.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Yeah. This is the best prospect to get traded at
the deadline in at least half a decade, probably.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
More since since Chapman for labor.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
Yeah, you could even go to Ali. Yeah, you could
go back that far, do you want?

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
So? I think there. I wrote a piece on this
before San Diego went about making the rest of their trades. Yeah,
and I was I was kind of dour on this
deal for San Diego, which I guess means it was
a trying to talk about this from Sacramento's perspective. I'm
high on this deal. From Sacramento. You're the athletics. You're

(01:33:06):
not going anywhere. You're literally behind the Angels in the state.
Means Mason Miller is incredibly valuable. We spent a lot
of time last year talking about how they might trade
Mason Miller and how hard it is to trade a
guy with that much time. Uh, you know, that much
remain remaining, years of control and upside and all this stuff.

(01:33:27):
But when you get offered Leo Devrees and and even
you know, Brandon nets and and you know nothing, yep,
take yeah, you you you jump at that. And as
good as Mason Miller is, and this is no shot
at him, because he is one of the better relief
you know, best relievers in baseball, you take Leo Devrees.

(01:33:52):
This in our list almost certainly a top three name
in almost every I didn't know all the lists, but
he's about around there in most lists. He's a shortstop.
Maybe he sticks that he sticks at shortstop, maybe doesn't.
The bat speed is really good.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Switch hitter am right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
The the upside on Leo Devrees is massive. Yep, there's
there are significant error bars on that on that upside.
But Mason Miller is an injury prone reliever.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Yeah, and look they are like Mason Miller is functually
of no use to this organization and competing when he's
it is funny to compare this trade to Lucas trade
and like the closer.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
So that was my immediate thought and I posted that.
And a team Lucas is not Mason Miller.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
He's not that far off.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
What percentage would you say?

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Eighty three percent of Mason?

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
Yeah, I was gonna go somewhere between seventy five and
eighty but yeah, sure he got I mean again, they
got three prospects from the Royals. Yeah for him and
not they're good ones. And it was five years of control.
I think, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
Again, it's yeah, you're gonna have like weird and like
a J. Prewler decided he just.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
Wanted to like and likes the shining object, like Lucas
O Suggas was not the shining object, but he's the
gap between those.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
That other seventeen percent is not nothing either.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
It's not nothing. Yeah, I agree, but it's not enough. No,
he'll I mean, and look, Leo Debrees might just end
up being a guy instead of.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
A sure Like there's like Jared and I were talking,
but if he is, just if he said to two
win guy, that's that's.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Good, Like that's not bad for a relief, right, And
we're spending this whole podcast talking about like how much
do you years of control? Matt, Yeah, the other thing
that well, so go ahead and say what you were
talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
But I said, like jar and I were talking about
this because we had different orders on the two through five,
and he had Derees fifth the mid season fifty. And
so the argument against Debris is the top two prospect,
the top five prospect in baseball. He may not stay
at shortstop. There's not a ton of physical projection there,

(01:36:17):
like he'll get stronger, but you look at the body,
he's not very physical. It's a lot of like whippy
bat speed, right, So how much power does he actually
add to that?

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
Right, he's not a fair amount of power like for
his right like that act, you're not necessarily you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
Look at Connor Griffin swing a bat, You look at
hayeses Mode swing a bat, You look at Special Walcott
swing a bat. Right, I think, yeah, I think dis
is a better hitter than all three of those guys
are at large. But again that you're talking about an
eighteen year old in high a right, like the error bar,
like the fact that he's playing this well is a

(01:36:55):
positive developmental marker, but there are still pretty big uh
confidence intervals on the overall profile. Yeah, whether you think
he's second or fifth, that's still a huge CuO to
get that for essentially.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
It's a massive cup to get that for any reliever.
And again that's no shade to Meson Miller. Now, when
I when when I talk to you about this, Jeff
or and you did a chat for about an hour
yesterday during the deadline, and this came up, Like you know,
there's a rumor that they want to convert him to
a starter. Yeah, and that's what I talked about at

(01:37:36):
the top. But and you you kind of said the
reason you make this trade is because you think he
can start but like a real reason to think he can.
But you know, okay, yeah, I just that's the I
can't wrap my mind around that. And look, look, I've

(01:37:56):
been vocal about things and been very wrong before, and
and I guess he could start.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
You weren't wrong about Jordan Hicks.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Yeah, I mean, like this is the the thing, and
and and I you know, I think Play Holmes can start, right,
Like I think there's there are differences in some of
these guys. I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
Holmes is already starting homes is pretty clearly starting to
wear down this year in July, right, So what's Miller
gonna look like in July next year?

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Well, that's my point about the runway to build them up.
And and I don't know that I agree with the
way development is done. I'm building these guys up like
it's not saving enough of them to me that it
should matter. But I also like they will run out
of gas. Like I'm I am worried about injury when
it comes to Mason Miller, Sure, I'm less worried about

(01:38:48):
him when it comes to Play Holmes, sure, But like
I am worried about effectiveness because they haven't pushed their arms.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Like that where does he actually sit, Where does the
fastball actually sit as a starter as Mason Miller.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Great question.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
I don't know, Like Holmes started off ninety five ninety seven,
but he's been more ninety two ninety four as sort
of the seasons went on, right.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
And that's those are important.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Those are important min alone, and they are for Miller
sitting one oh one versus sitting ninety seven ninety eight.

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I just this was and I'll jump
ahead just to say I think San Diego did rat
in the end, but this start, I was like, let
me say, as a Dodgers man, right, like I saw

(01:39:39):
this and I was like, that's I'm not even mat
that they added Mason Miller at that price.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
And the weird thing the other part of this with well,
that's Padres talk. I'll try to so I thought, I
thought the athletics getting those guys. And again we haven't
talked about bradon that. Do you want to quickly just.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
Yeah, he's a nice little pitching prospect. Deep Arsenal certently
throw enough strikes. Might work better in short relief, but
you know he's somewhere in the multienning reliever to third, fourth,
starter continuum.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
Yea. And then there's uh, there's Baias and and.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Bias is probably a reliever. Edwarniel is definitely a reliever,
but like a mad Regreder. You can throw him in
the pen and he have a one hundred and the
slider works.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
Sure, And and JP Sears was tacked onto this.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Uh sure.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
JP Sears is one of the d R Hatsquez frankly
hasn't been that good this year. He's been fine, but
he's like not that good, but definitely I I refer
to him as ballast for the San Diego rotation. That's
at like, I mean they moved uh well that's San
Diego talk, but like, yeah, fine, he's there. They also

(01:40:48):
traded Miguel Andohar to the Reds. Ye fine. I don't sure.
Uh they they got back Kenya Huggins. I don't know
who that is. I'm going to make prospect hugging.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
At some point before we move on for the ale
at West, we should some the tiniest breaking news ever.
Cooper lives. He has survived all of the Astros post
trade roster moves. They are they have DFA Zach Short.
They have demoted Bryce Matthews and Jacob Milton. No one
says to Mote anymore, which I I guess that option.

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Jacob Milton is down and I.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
Didn't know he was still on the major league roster,
but apparently it was.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
So there you go. Cooper Hammel, Cooper Eummel, still still
an astro.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
Yeah, okay, let's go to the NL East Jeffrey, your
New York Mets. Yes, atop of the division.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Yeah, by a half game. Still, well, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
Why they we get to go to them first. Nice,
I think a nice timeline. Areas of need brought in
Cedric Mullens, Ryan Helsley, Tyler Rogers, and Gregory Soto. Let's
we'll just take it in that order. Cedric Mullens cost
them Ramone Gonzales, Anthony Unis and Chandler Marsh. We mentioned
these names and the Orioles section. Uh, I'm sorry I

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wrote Gonzales, but it's Gomez, right, Yes, I apologize. Gomez
throws one hundred and three miles an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
Yeah, doesn't sit there, doesn't you?

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
You? You gave me a line to use in the
transaction analysis to that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
I remember, I remember I gave you a line. I
have no memory.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
I loved it. He pitches like he's trying to brute
force your stub Hub password.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
Yes, it's it's he gets one hundred miles an hour.
It's not pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
It's not pretty. Yeah, Nunias and Marsh Relievers.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Dunias is a cool developmental story, but it's like a
ninety five minute slider guy.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
Yeah, Cedric Mullins, Yeah, you're gonna play center field. Yeah,
maybe shouldn't play center fields.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Yeah, but he's like like they badly needed.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
They're playing a different deal out there, and they badly
need another average hitter because Tyrone Taylor Hunter has just yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
So what I what? I wrote this up and it
was kind of like he's a better outfielder despite not
being really a centerfielder anymore than Jeff McNeil, and he's
a better at than Tyrone Taylor. So like they're just
gonna work in this.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
He's gonna probably play too much against lefties, but cross
that bridge when Yeah, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
The perfect edition, but it was it was enough. Again,
like patch over your your zeros.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
I think they wanted Robert, but like the ask was
just too high relative of trading three Oliver prospects for
Centric Mullins right, right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
Ryan Helsley that they sent out Jesus Bias, Nate Dome
and Frank el as Sault. Ye. Uh again this is
just there's some name value here obviously, but they they're
this is a great eighth inning guy. He can close
if Diaz is on the fritz.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
In like this will allow him to not used. He
has three out of four days too, which they don't
like to do, right, It gives them a little more.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
Also, think this is this is this and pair it
with Tyler Rodgers is a nice way to to uh
sand down some of Mendoza's tendencies to abuse.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
You're gonna move and Garrett into lower leverage now to
so much right he right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
I mean there's the knock on effects of that, and
it just gives he's got more options.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
Right, he's kind of used. Garrett is like already both
a ready specialist and a fireman. But you can use
Tyler Rodgers for that now, right, And.

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
And Rodgers is a great I mean in terms of
with men on a guy to be able to turn
to get a ground ball, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
The defense turn it we'll see, we'll see, you know,
give a chance, and.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
I think this is a nice bit of of just
addressing your needs, right, Yeah, and and so we talked
about Soto already, Yeah, last part, So I don't want
to dwell on him.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
The Tyler Rodgers deal was Jose Buddo, Bloyd Tidwell, and Threw.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Gilbert famous for the butt heads, but he'll get a
shot and San Francis.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
U, Tidwell and Gilbert more name value than real. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
I think I think people who have checked the list
back in December were right initially very upset.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
I saw a lot of people like this is a
lot for Tyler Rodgers and all that it was again
and it's three guys for Tyler Rodgers, but also like.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
It's three major leaguers probably in some capacity, right.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
Right, But these are the those are the kind of
consolidation trades you make when you're competing, right, This is
like maybe they do lose on the long term surplus
value whatever, right, But like as Andrew Friedman said, like
you're expected to be underwater on trades if you're competing
on some level anything else on the Mets.

Speaker 3 (01:45:44):
Hope, Marnnie Mauricio is good, it seems, yeah, because I
mean Viento's is basically the aging when Marte can't, I
guess it's the way they're going forward to play too.
I did not realize how well Starling Marte is hitting
this year. He's back.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
Well, yeah, yes, he's got like an almost I know,
like they've.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
Actually know he can only hit play trice a week,
but I think he.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Came back from the last injury. They're really only playing
against lefties now, which is helping. And I think having
Mumins there as well means they can really not play.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
Mars. Yeah, anything else in the nuts, we'll go to
the Phillies. Uh this you not really solid Dombrowski deadline.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Yeah, a little I don't want to say underwhelming, but
I guess a little more uh reserved.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Right. But I think again, just like kind of surgically
targeting areas.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
Of they don't really have a closure, right, especially with
especially that Alverado not playoff eligible like Duran and it's
past this year. And look again we can take the
flip side of this from the Twins point of view.
If you're going to create trade someone from your system,
the low a catcher is the guy you trade right

(01:47:10):
pretty much every time, right, especially so I thought that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:15):
Was a nice deal for both sides. Honestly, I think
you know, there was a rumor or or I guess
maybe speculation that it was going to be uh make
able and h Crawford. I think getting Tate instead of
Crawford is a nice yeah swap out for if that

(01:47:37):
was you know, if that's what was on the table
and they got Tate instead of Crawford, I think that's
a nice move for Minnesota, a nice little upgrade. Uh,
you know, Harrison batter is underwhelming to your point, Jeffrey,
I think this is another kind that like Mullins is
like he's gonna play center, and he probably shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
Play center anymore, right, He's probably like a very good
first half. Yeah, he's hitting like he's hitting like he
did this last year too, and like maybe he just
keeps hitting for the rest of the year. It's possible,
but like this is not probably a new true talent
level either.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
No, I I I would agree. I think it's it's
very funny to me that they're just gonna keep treating
like this is Austin hayesish for me. I know they're
different the files, but like you just gonna keep acquiring
like this white. A lot of teams keep doing the
same guy guy in center field. That's maybe not Hayes
didn't play center, but still.

Speaker 3 (01:48:30):
But Brandon Marsh did.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
But Brandon Marsh did, right, And it's like Brandon Marsh
just keeps hitting one hundred to one oh seven yeah,
ops plus and like it's not enough. You can do
it first writing Yeah, I don't know. It's like both
not enough but also definitely an improvement.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
Patrick, they were another team where enough they're like the
j is like a little too.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
Well rounded, like they Han Rojas.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
By the way, are you gonna it's fine? Are you
had to really upgrade on Stot or Bom or real
Mudo at this point, Probably not so they couldn't have
used a you Henniosuarez, But again, it's top you kind
of got to just roll with it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:49:13):
Yeah, And Duran is one of those really reasons you
do get to think about team control with right, like.

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
Oh yeah, I mean I think again, Yeah, and he
was he was the name closer in that that bullpen.
You know, he really improves the back end situation. The
Jordan Romano, you know, Kirkering, who we all thought I
think at some point was you know, future closer, you know,

(01:49:39):
maybe more just more of a set up guy as
it as it turns out. But I think duran Is
is a great fit for that bullpen. I mean, they
needed someone real in the back end and they have him.
Alvarado was filling that role, but as you said, he's
not going to be playoff eligible. So the Marlins, Yeah,

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the Marlins. They bring in Gusto we mentioned Giorsi and
some of these other names. They sent out Sanchez and
and Fordas you know, I guess the question, you know,
the the the discussion point here is they didn't trade Cabrera,
they didn't trade al Contra.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
Yeah, and again I think there's maybe some added value
to them and letting if our contras fix some stuff,
the rest of the better. Yeah, if Cabrera gives you
a full season of this, then you can look to
trade them in the off Like, I don't think they're
actually going to lose a ton of value by waiting

(01:50:38):
for the off season, right. Other than that, it was
just what the Marlins. I'm a little surprised they didn't trade,
like given the amount of believers traded. They trade like
like batch our Calvin Pochet or whatever. But they get
to keep the control on those relievers.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
In Atlanta. I I don't know. I mean they traded
Raphael Mont there's was there anything to do here? No?

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
I mean they're the Bilo team right.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Like they acquired carrasco Fetti and Dane Donnage because they
literally just needed fill inings for two months.

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
The most depressing transactions.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
I think Tyler Kinley like, I think they took advantage.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
What was Kim Lee got control?

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Like he didn't like stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
Running back Pierce Johnson even though you're not competitive short.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
Yeah, but they did. Yeah, they're just gonna run it
back next year with the same players.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
So yep and the Nationals. Uh. We talked about Finnigan
to the Tigers. I don't know what did they get
back for I didn't get much for him. They traded
Alex Call to the Dodgers. Yeah, they got nice. I thought,
nice bit of business for them on this nice gambles

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live arms.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
As you said, Eric Swan, I guess they no longer
care how hard you throw the ball four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
Because because Eric Swan has thrown all four very high,
and he throws it very hard. Yeah, if if you
can get him to throw strikes. You really have something, yep,
but thus far not so much, not so much. You know,
we had a report from Pat Ellington on him and
it's the same report, but you know you noted just

(01:52:25):
he can't he's not repeating his release point. You know,
his mechanics are a mess. Ah. So again if you
if you can figure look, Harlan Susanna was walking a
lot of guys and stopped. Maybe they can maybe, I
don't know, maybe they can do something there. I think
this is a nice gamble to take for Alex Call
who's like ideally a fourth outfielder. Now he's been better
than that, better than other Nationals outfielders. But you know,

(01:52:50):
you make the move when you can. And they also
got Sean Paul it is they haven't about.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Yes, he's have fun change, specially us that also has
some velocity in some breaking ball. He hasn't been quite
as good at h as.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
Yes, six ft.

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
I mean probably a reliever, probably a reliever, yeah, but
like interesting trades guy.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
Yeah. And again like it's Alex Call. I don't think
you're you're gonna miss him, No.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
No, just a little surprised that the Nationals couldn't find
a taker for Josh Bell. Yeah, it feels like the Rangers.
The Rangers really like they would have been a good
fit for him.

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
Boston really could have used him at first. I feel like, yeah,
I am shocked he didn't get dealt because he's been
better the last month. He's like, I know, he was
real bad to start the year, but that's also Josh Bell,
like he's just bad and good at various points. You
never know. And I don't think he would have cost uh,

(01:53:49):
no cost much. They traded Schaeffin and Garcia to the Angels.
As we mentioned, Michael Sarroka to the Pups was the
other deal wasn't really working as a starter.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
But Christian Frankran and Ronnie Cruz are incredible, were incredibly NATS.
That's coded NATS coded. Yeah, the derogatory is that a
little bit yeah, a little bit cool toolsy. Yeah, Okay,
let's go to the no, let's take let's take it.
Let's take a break.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
Thank goodness, let's take a break, and we'll be back.

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Welcome back to episode four hundred and seventy nine of
five and dive. We are onto our final third the
nl Central first place Milwaukee Brewers brought in Brandon Lockridge
and Danny Janssen.

Speaker 2 (01:55:05):
Lockridge apparently right into the major league roster because Jackson
Cherio is hitting the eye ol.

Speaker 1 (01:55:12):
Oh, okay, sure the Lockridge costs them Nestor Cortez, who
they absolutely did not need. I'm sure they get up
from some money on that. I don't know why they need.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
You know, when you look at your first place team,
you gotta think, well, let me get a Podres bench bat.

Speaker 1 (01:55:30):
Yeah, and not the only Bryce Johnson classic Milwaukee addition.

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
Sometimes, Yeah, they got Danny Jansen, who you know, basically
is uh subbing up Eric Hass Hayes Hass Yeah, sure has.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
Yeah. So okay, that's a nice backup catcher up. It's fine,
that's fine. I didn't understand Lockerach. I guess maybe he's
he's like moderately fast so you can pinch run. I
guess like they like it's the Brewers man, like, yeah,
you're getting out of corteses they don't need. They weren't
going to use Cortes anymore, and so they ditches contract

(01:56:16):
and that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
I do think it's weird that they only got two
players and yet they managed to have to cut two
decent relievers. Well obviously neither this year.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
Right. Also, like I think they got him and Adam
Adam him back, so that's fine. Brian Hudson was like
a huge find for them. It was part of the
Dodgers system for a while. But like a great lefty
reliever for them. Was it last year or the year before?

Speaker 3 (01:56:44):
He wasn't even really that bad? Uh this year either?
Like it's uh it was. I was a little surprised.
But you know, think they've got a good bullpen. I
guess they just don't have room. But yeah, like four
three five era, sure, you know, I mean, I guess
he's only pitch ten innings, So there you go. But
because I'm looking at that walk right, Oh he walked.

(01:57:06):
He's walked more than a battery.

Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
Any that's that's not going to do it. That's not
you have listed Hereana, is it?

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
No, it's a different the first name and it's a different.

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
Yeah. I was gonna say I did not. I was like,
I didn't think they got rid of Katana, but yeah
it is. You know, all right, that's what Milwaukee did.
They didn't do much of any but they're in a
good position. I guess they don't you know. Yeah, didn't
really need to. The Chicago Cubs did want to make
some moves, did make some moves, Yeah, not the ones

(01:57:38):
they wanted to. Willie Castro fine, nice nice death piece
that Shaw cools off. You have a third baseman. He
can backfill other positions, obviously, can play all over. They
added Mike Soroka. I am I am assuming that's a
bullpen edition.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
I would assume so, yes, I hope so, like.

Speaker 3 (01:58:02):
He was letting right.

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
They also added Andrew Kittridge. That's definitely a bullpen addition.
He's fine, but these are these are solid middle innings
guys to to take up. And then Taylor Rogers who
was repackaged from Pittsburgh, who was repackaged from or from Cincinnati.
He's just getting a tour of the NL Central again.

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Rogers has been solid. He probably walks too many guys,
but he's been solid for Cincinnati. So they get a
left they get a lefty and two righty's to fill
in the middle innings. And their bullpen has been a
sore spot most of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
So and they really didn't give up anything of note
here right to to from up their pen.

Speaker 1 (01:58:49):
Yeah, you mentioned Ronnie Crusen and Christian Franklin. Before there's
a Yvon breath Hour.

Speaker 3 (01:59:00):
I don't know Brown, the New Brown, breath Hours, the
New Brown, and then they cut Ryan Presley, which I
am shocked that didn't work out.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
What a bizarre sequence. I mean, I guess not really
a sequence to an edge because it happened to be
the offtison and then now but.

Speaker 1 (01:59:20):
And it's one of those carcas so predictable.

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
Yeah, I mean, like it's the Steamroller scene from A
Fish Called Wanda right where he's just like standing there
watching it. Yes, it's a good movie, she's watching it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:33):
He stands there. I just when you say steamroller scene,
I think of of Austin Powers.

Speaker 3 (01:59:38):
Yes, there's that one too, which is basically, you know,
another version of that exact same joke. But Fish called
Wanda got it first.

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
Yeah. Great, I've seen it within the last year. You
know this, Uh, from what I saw. Cubs fans are
furious about this deadline essentially, like so a lot of
like was Jed Hoyer trapped under.

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
Some sort of you're a game behind the Brewers. What
the Brewers are gonna do? It's exactly what the Brewers did.

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
Like this is relative again, like the Cubs needed a starter.
There were not starters, and they really couldn't do much
on the on the hitting side. I saw some frustration
about the end of their bench. Okay, fine, the end
of their bench is Justin Turner and John Birdie and

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that's not ideal. But you did get Willie Castro, who's
mostly a bench. I mean he'll fill in, right, But
like that's strengthening your bench in a lot of ways.

Speaker 3 (02:00:42):
I don't know, Yeah, you know, it's there. There weren't
many starters. This felt like the situation to overpay for one.

Speaker 1 (02:00:50):
Yeah, they they probably should have had the So like
it's funny because there's a little moral hazard in the
Toronto situation, as I was talking about in terms of
trying to save their jobs. Jared Hoyer got an extension.
Yeah yeah, and then didn't like they have Kevin al Contra,
They have Owen Casey, right, they have and will apparently

(02:01:10):
continue to have Jackson Wiggins because he has been the uh,
the choke point in some of these deals. But but
maybe they should have had the Toronto approach, right of
of being willing to pay a little more just to
get the improvement they needed to get right. Yeah, there's

(02:01:30):
no room for al Contra, and there is no room
for Casey and the like, and there's room in the rotation.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
You are you are you resigning Kyle Tucker? How sure
are you resigning? You are that you're resigning Kyle Tucker?

Speaker 1 (02:01:46):
Well, I hear given the way this has gone, they're
not is what I would tell you.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
I think they're not going to Yeah, I don't know
they should sure, but.

Speaker 1 (02:02:00):
They still But but even if that's the case, you
have Saya Suzuki, you have Ian Hap, you have but
if this is your.

Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
Yeah, you still don't have room for You're gonna.

Speaker 1 (02:02:11):
D h bia Steros or whatever right, like I don't
know it is. And if this is the one year
you have Tucker, you should be going. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02:25):
I think they've been trying to trade Owen Casey for
like two seasons. Now, I guess one more and just
trade him.

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
Yeah, the Cincinnati Reds brought him, Zach Lttel and Cabrian Hayes.

Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
Within the constructs of just being the Cincinnati red Things
a strong deadline.

Speaker 3 (02:02:45):
We missed one, sorry, hold on, we missed one. They
missed Miguel.

Speaker 1 (02:02:49):
Andrew har You know, yeah, I mentioned it before, but yeah,
I know, get him on the list.

Speaker 3 (02:02:54):
Yeah, between and Harr is a normal Red SOF deadline
right by himself.

Speaker 2 (02:02:59):
But is there competing with the San Diego Padres for
this last spot?

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
And between Andrew Harr and Cabrian Hayes, you have one
functional plan. Yes, yes, exactly, And so like I made
this joke when the Hayes acquisition started, but like it's
the it's the Bart Simpson. We're going to catch up
by going slower, like you're going to fix the lineup
by getting Cabrian Hayes, one of the worst offensive regularly. Obviously,

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you hope you can change something about Cobrian Hayes. Cabrian
Hayes has a back injury that ESPN reported on earlier
this before the season started that might never be one
hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (02:03:39):
Yeah. He did just hit a home run in his
first game as Redd.

Speaker 1 (02:03:42):
It was he had one hit and it was a
home run. Yeah, and it was it was the Braves bullpen,
I believe.

Speaker 3 (02:03:48):
And it was one of those three hundred and forty
foot home runs that try to like, you know, drifted
lazily into the.

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
You have to hope he can you can help him
recover or some form, right, and that Pittsburgh's player development
leaves a lot to be desire. So does the Reds
hitting development, as we've talked about. Right, So, like I
just and look, the glove is tremendous. I'm not saying
there's not a industion. It also means you're pushing Noel

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Lee Marte, who is not a great third baseman, into
corner outfield. And I don't think he's a good corner
outfielder either. He hasn't played there much, that's for sure,
and he's one of the only guys on your team
who is hitting. It also means you are if he's
playing in the outfield, you're not playing one of Frailey,

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Fredell or Hayes. And while they are all kind of
versions of the same guy, they're some of your only hitters.
I guess one of them DH's well.

Speaker 3 (02:04:49):
Spencer Steer should also probably be in the outfield as well,
instead of playing first base, where his bat doesn't hold up.

Speaker 1 (02:04:55):
He doesn't hold up for the corner outfield either.

Speaker 3 (02:04:59):
I mean it's talent wise, I think he's fine. I
don't think this is the representative year Spencer's here. I
think if going forward the rest of the year, next
two month, Spencer Steer has like a league average ops.

Speaker 1 (02:05:10):
Maybe, but I think he's kind of been bad longer
than he was good at this point.

Speaker 2 (02:05:18):
I don't know. It's the Reds.

Speaker 1 (02:05:20):
They brought in Zach Lettel, who is like a worst
version of Nick Martinez's BA. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:05:27):
Yeah, it's yea a cheaper version of the Brady Singer trade.
I guess ish, but I don't really.

Speaker 1 (02:05:34):
Singer and nicktez and and the rotation has been your
strong point.

Speaker 3 (02:05:39):
Yeah, it is funny they don't actually need him.

Speaker 2 (02:05:43):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (02:05:45):
The talk short, but talk about a bad fit for
a Yeah, Zack Lyttel's entire like ethos is I'm gonna
throw my mid stuff in the zone at all times,
and you just put him in a bandbox. I don't know,

(02:06:06):
seems seems not great. He also went from like vaguely
in the range of league average strikeout right to sixteen
yeah and a half percent this year. So you're buying
the debt from the Rays. That seems like a bad
I guess I just wouldn't be. It doesn't seem fair

(02:06:29):
to say I wouldn't be buying a guy the Rays
are selling, But I wouldn't be buying a guy the
Rays are selling on the on the like his performance
has gone down right and the Rays are selling him.
I'm not in on that.

Speaker 3 (02:06:41):
Yeah, it's it's not purely contract drive nim right, like.

Speaker 1 (02:06:45):
Right right again, Like they went and got Hawser and
Howser is probably better than Lette.

Speaker 3 (02:06:53):
I it is very on brand for the Reds to
go out and acquire a player position that seems like
they need the stuff, right, That's that's the Cincinnati way,
and and it.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
Cost them Adam Sirwanowski, who is an interesting pitching prospects.
I mean, look, I went, I went and looked up
some video. So this was a three team trade. Sirwenowski
went to the Dodgers. Yeah that is a reliever, sure,
I mean just mechanically he is a reliever. They're starting

(02:07:26):
him now. He holds his velo and stuff, and I
guess that's fine, But like, wow, that is a herky
jerky stabby uh arm path. I guess is that fair
to say? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
I mean, look, maybe he's like Justin Robleski in a
couple of years, right or something like that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:47):
It's a lot jerkier of emotion.

Speaker 2 (02:07:51):
Sure, like like like running cop, maybe he's better running cop.

Speaker 1 (02:07:54):
Yeah, sure, but he's an interesting guy in ninety seven
from the left side. Good slider needs a third pitch
if he's gonna start. But there's at least a major
leaguer in there as a relief. Yeah, presumably a major
league relief future in there. And to get exactly tell who,
I don't know that they need and sure seems like

(02:08:17):
a bad fit for the park. Sammy Steffurra, and Taylor
Rogers to Pittsburgh for Hayes. Obviously, Rogers got spun out.
That was money. I mean, that's just money. He's been
decent for them again walking too many guys, but had
been decent for them. Steffurra was what I think, thirteenth
on our offense.

Speaker 2 (02:08:38):
Yeah, he's like I tried. They gave him first round
money as a prep short stop, Northeast prep shortstop. It's
not quite working out yet.

Speaker 1 (02:08:48):
Yeah. I tried to force a you know, maybe a
future I kf.

Speaker 2 (02:08:52):
You did, which was like I was like, well, the
different kind of but it's like defense.

Speaker 1 (02:08:58):
Over offense, and like you hope that bat gets to
league averagesh kind of.

Speaker 2 (02:09:01):
Yeah, he'll probably be more power than hit.

Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
But okay, but yes, and they sent out Brian them Bell,
who they picked up for for nothing earlier in this season. Uh,
I don't know, I'm I'm underwhelmed by the Reds.

Speaker 2 (02:09:19):
Yeah, I mean they did some stuff. It's probably not
gonna be enough. And yeah, three games again.

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
The Cardinals sent out Phil Atone who we talked about,
Steven Matts who we talked about, and Ryan Helsley who
we talked about. So we can focus on what they
brought in place Jordan. We actually got into the Hellsley deal,
probably the biggest one here. Jazus Baia's Nate Dome. As
I mentioned, Frank lassalt Bias Hi low a.

Speaker 2 (02:09:47):
Uh low miners mean yeah, high a Brooklyn. He hasn't
been great. He enough to a they kind of he
had a bad knee injury last year. He kind of
got off to like a bit of a slow start.
They brought him around and San Lucy for a few weeks,
even though he got promoted out of their last year.
Wasn't great. It's been improving since then. Back to hitting

(02:10:08):
the ball pretty hard. Interesting player. He's like he's not
as young as you think. He feels like a younger.
I mean, it's like twenty, he's not super athletic. I
don't know where the ultimate defensive home is, and it's
like the offensive tools are all right. So it's it's
a little bit of a tough profile at the moment.
But you know, as he gets further off that knee injury,

(02:10:30):
maybe you'll see a bit more of the power comes back.
He had pretty good power for his age last year
as a nineteen year old in Loway, so hopefully he
gets some of that back, and it wasn't just beating
up on Florida stately pitching. Ella Salt and Dome are
probably both relievers. All Assault's got like a neat fastball
slider Combo Domes a fastball two breaking ball. Look guy

(02:10:52):
that a little bit effortfull in the delivery. He's still
starting right now. I don't think he had great meds
in college either, So maybe the long term fit there
is more of a one to two inning reliever and.

Speaker 1 (02:11:04):
Just a trend on the Mets trading.

Speaker 2 (02:11:06):
They've traded away a lot of a lot of pictures, but.

Speaker 1 (02:11:09):
But they've done a lot of development work on a
lot of these guys and turned them into interesting enough
guys to trade, and that's kind of the process. It's
the result I want out of these guys, right, I
mean out of the uh so that makes sense. And
then there's a Mason Molina and Skylar Hailed, which.

Speaker 2 (02:11:28):
Is what you get for a film Aaton rental.

Speaker 1 (02:11:30):
I guess right, sure it is. It is what it is.
How do you think they did.

Speaker 2 (02:11:36):
On I think they probably would have is really the
one that they would have wanted to get more for
Healthy because he's a you know, he's got the closer
sheen right.

Speaker 1 (02:11:46):
He isn't. He's a good relievers, but it's.

Speaker 2 (02:11:50):
Like you got the good rental reliever price and not
the good rental closer price.

Speaker 1 (02:11:55):
Closer price. Yeah, I think that's right. The pirates, there
are fair number of names here. Yeah, still would argue
they didn't do enough. As Patrick said, they didn't trade
Andrew Heeny somehow.

Speaker 2 (02:12:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:12:08):
Uh so, Taylor Rogers, who they brought in went out. Bednar.
We talked about Bailey, Falter and Hayes. So all guys
we've touched on, Brethauer, Rafael Flores, Edgelene Perez, Brian Sanchez
in the Bednard deal. We talked about them already. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:12:28):
Yeah, I mean you can look at like the like
for what they sent out with the best prospects I
got back here with Raphael Flora, Sammy Steffer and Jeter
Martinez and it's just not But Perez is too, i'll
put pre praise is probably at least as good as
Stamy Staffer, A fair enough yeah, but it's just like
it doesn't look I don't even disagree with not trading

(02:12:49):
Oneo Cruz right or Mitch Keller, which they decided not.

Speaker 1 (02:12:52):
To do, but with Keller specifically, no one is getting
traded on the starting pitching market. I would have probably
dealt Keller.

Speaker 2 (02:13:00):
With Keller specifically, Like, you know, teams are baking this
into their emails, but you know, it's easier to sell
Mitch Keller with a three and a half RA than
a four and a half RA. And what's is Thera
going to be on July fifteenth next year? I don't know, right,
how real is this? Like he's getting some is he
getting some luckdown? Contact teams are gonna Yeah, like he

(02:13:24):
can start a playoff game, probably Game three or four,
but he can start a playoff game for you, right,
like Boston?

Speaker 1 (02:13:31):
Yeah, Cubs subs, right, and like should you trade Mitch
Keller for Owen Casey as a headliner? I don't know,
but like what are you doing with Mitch Keller? Right? Right?

Speaker 2 (02:13:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:13:44):
And and you know, look I I there was some
report at some point talking about like the money saved
for like, but they're not going to reinvest the money, right, yeah,
they're not playing in the free agent waters and like
Mitch Keller doesn't make that much money, correct, fifteen million?
So what are they What are the pirates going to
do with fifteen million dollars in free agency?

Speaker 3 (02:14:05):
Isaiah? Or trade for Isaiah Kinder for who they did
not find a home to trade like.

Speaker 1 (02:14:10):
To to kind of phileas, right, I don't know how
you don't deal him? I Tommy fam.

Speaker 2 (02:14:16):
League is clearly the league?

Speaker 3 (02:14:18):
The league might be like, the league is clearly done
trading for Tommy Fame even though we have lost.

Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
It's fine, but like he's been okay recently and like
didn't didn't deal him, Like, so you're they're just gonna
spend their money on those guys who then they don't trade.
I I can't. I don't know what's happened. Look, look
it all starts with right with Bob Nutting, but like I,

(02:14:46):
I don't know what's happening. There's more wrong than just
Bob Notting in that org. I feel like, let's go
to the west. The Dodgers brought in Alex call brock
Stewart and then h we can finally talk about that trade, right,

(02:15:06):
James Tibbs, we talked about Zach Erhart and then Ben
Wort was involved. That's just so, I guess, do you
want to start with that trade Hunter for Ducca they
sent out They got three guys for Hunter. I don't know.
I truly don't know how that happens. Like I don't,
Patrick le you we talked about it in the chat
and like you were like, it's a it's a little

(02:15:27):
bit of the vibes of like Milwaukee getting William tres Ruiz,
but like the eighties had a fucking heart on for
estinary Ruiz. I don't Hunter Forducca like three guys and
like two of them are probably major leaguers in some capacity.

Speaker 3 (02:15:45):
I'm not somebody who enjoys the world histories very much,
but I do find three way trades. It would be
fascinating to find out how that third team got in
and and the Dodgers are clearly the third team in this.

Speaker 1 (02:15:57):
Three one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (02:15:59):
I just wanted to, like, hold on, I need to
call somebody, and I need to like basically, what I.

Speaker 1 (02:16:05):
Don't understand is is why Tampa didn't just take Sirwinowski. Yeah,
that's the part I don't get. I mean, I guess
maybe they like Hunter for Doucca and that's there. I
can see that there are things. Yeah, maybe it's the
pass on Sirwinowski. There they gave up Gervase, who is

(02:16:31):
I don't know, Jeff like Gervais is maybe not anything,
but he's got all interesting He cut down on the
walks and like he misses bats, Like yeah, he will
probably pitch for the Dodgers next.

Speaker 2 (02:16:43):
Ye, I mean he's pitching the majors for the Rays
this year.

Speaker 1 (02:16:46):
Like yeah, I you know. Maybe it's just clear in
a forty man spot. I don't know. Obviously, they constantly
have a crunch to deal with. They're just a very
weird that's a weird one again. Brock Stewart I talked
about makes a ton of sense, both on an injury
front and on he's hard on Righty's which they absolutely need.
They have to. They have a lot of lefties in

(02:17:07):
their pen. They have Scott's not healthy right now, but
it seems like he avoided a serious issue there. So
that they have Scott, they have Vessie, they have Jack Dry,
or they have Anthony Banda. They need someone who can
turn through Righty's. So Brox Steart makes a lot of sense.
Alex call uh, Look, I'm not excited about it. Underwhelming.
It is a good fit, right, like short side platoon bat.

(02:17:29):
You can hit him against righties. He's not incapable of that.
He can play all three outfield positions, which they absolutely need,
especially out of after dumping James Outman in the Stewart trade.
He should replace a Story Ruiz on the roster like
I don't unless Ruy's is sticking around as a pinch runner.

(02:17:51):
Like he's competent, right, He's just a competent fourth outfield guy.
And and you will not see Michael Confordo hitting against
a lefty hope, and he's a defensive replacement. He's a
good corner outfielder, maybe stretched a little in center, but
can do it. He's it makes sense, but I'm look,
if you want my take on this, I'm furious that
Michael Confordo is still on this team. That's that's the film. Yeah,

(02:18:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:18:15):
I the more I think about this and the more
I look at the other outfielders that got traded, Like
at first, I'm like, oh, Alex Calin, I'm like, well,
is he worse than.

Speaker 1 (02:18:23):
Nerest than bad?

Speaker 3 (02:18:24):
Like he hits better?

Speaker 1 (02:18:26):
I mean, I'm not. I wouldn't have been throtted about
Baiter either. I mean, I just want, I want. I
wanted Confordo off. Would you rather have Call or Mullins?
Like I might rather doesn't fit because he's a lefty, right.

Speaker 3 (02:18:42):
But like just in general, like Call probably the better
hitter at this point and also probably the better field.

Speaker 1 (02:18:48):
I don't know, Jeff take issue with that calls like
a one hundred DRC plus guy for like, yeah, he's
he's a league average. Again, there's some he's like good defender.
Yeah he's fine, he's fine. Do you think he's better
than Cedric Mullins at this point?

Speaker 2 (02:19:06):
I know entirely by Alex call, But yeah, do you do.

Speaker 3 (02:19:10):
You find Cedric Mullens?

Speaker 1 (02:19:12):
Like, I mean, there's ms, there's upside and Mullins. That
call doesn't have. Yeah, the median, the median or average
outcome on call might might be a hair better than
than moments.

Speaker 3 (02:19:24):
You're talking floor and we see emphasize.

Speaker 1 (02:19:28):
Zeros, right, they had a zero in I can't even
the other side of a Conford platoon. They had a zero.
The hard part here is is also like pi, I
guess Pius is every day, but like pieus could be
the other side of a comforta platoon. You can play
Edmund in center and Kim and Kim is hurt, but

(02:19:50):
Kim's at second base. They just called them Alex Freem
Like this is another situation where you're like, there's a
lot of competency that that was harder to improve on
given what was out there or not out there. For
this deadline.

Speaker 3 (02:20:03):
To be fair, Mullins has heated up. He's got a.

Speaker 1 (02:20:05):
Nice had a brutal May and June, and it's better
in July.

Speaker 3 (02:20:15):
Yeah, I don't again, like it's closer thought.

Speaker 1 (02:20:18):
I think they did better on their prospects deals that
they inserted themselves into both with Sermonowski and whatever and
then getting TIBs is you know, let's go to the padres.
We talked about We talked about Mason Miller. I think
this is Joe Sheian used the phrase guilding the lily

(02:20:40):
on the bullpen. That's how I feel about this, right,
this is what a j preller does, has a deadline,
he builds a super like more of a super bowlpen,
and is it working.

Speaker 3 (02:20:52):
So yeah, when some inside talk, like when when that
trade came up, I went to Craig and I'm like,
you know, you're gonna write this one, and he's like,
I don't know, because I kind of hate it. And
I was like, good because I also kind of hated it.
I didn't want to write.

Speaker 1 (02:21:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:21:05):
I'm like, I, look, I read she didn't like it. Yeah,
and I and then I wrote the rest of the
Potters moves and I like the rest of it.

Speaker 1 (02:21:11):
I thought everything they did after Miller made so much
more sense. And look, Miller absolutely improves their team this year.

Speaker 3 (02:21:21):
I just don't like the cost and everyone, you know,
the jokes there for about them cleaning out their their
you know what, what their farm system were cleaned out.

Speaker 2 (02:21:32):
We're doing ares prospect list.

Speaker 1 (02:21:37):
The four four error not found.

Speaker 3 (02:21:39):
But you know, like they covered their their roster, like
they they the only the as I wrote in the article,
the only problems that Herne doesn't hit from the crackside
like if if over and.

Speaker 1 (02:21:50):
You know what, that bothers me less because I think
Gavin Sheets is just cooked.

Speaker 3 (02:21:54):
Yeah, but he is. It would be nice for him
to be able to you know, like basically up with
their eyes.

Speaker 1 (02:22:03):
But otherwise he's a pinch hitter with some top and
that's fine.

Speaker 3 (02:22:07):
Right, but otherwise they they got the catcher they needed.
Then the problem is they needed to.

Speaker 1 (02:22:13):
Yeah and look again like ready for me and is
not gonna he might not even be average, right, but
it's he'll be above replacement level.

Speaker 3 (02:22:24):
And that's a huge upgrade.

Speaker 1 (02:22:25):
Yes, it's such an improvement. And you know down the
list Ramon Loriano and left field. Yeah, I mean you
can pick, you can nitpick his season thus far all
you want. Like there's a lot of bab it. There's
a lot of home runs for flyball being out of
out of whack a little bit. Guess what, He's way
better than what they had in left field. No, it's okay.

Speaker 3 (02:22:46):
I mean Jason Hayward and Connor Joe didn't work. It
just didn't work. And they've been they've been yeah, you know,
running out you know, Lockridge and it's just they don't
They didn't have anybody.

Speaker 1 (02:22:57):
They were they were playing Gavin Sheets and left Yep,
which he should not do.

Speaker 3 (02:23:04):
You just shouldn't, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:23:06):
They they they didn't have a DH when they did it.

Speaker 3 (02:23:09):
I mean they didn't have a DH. So now he
can kind of do that one or where it isn't
there Will Wagner. I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:23:15):
I'm not, I'm not usual Wagner guy. I but like,
even if he's not good, he's still upgrade, like even.

Speaker 2 (02:23:24):
The like and now they're useful like they he's like
the infield.

Speaker 1 (02:23:28):
Lend him somewhere and he might make contact when you
pinch hit him. Yeah. Fine, that's better than everyone that
they've put out in that role other than Bryce Johnson.

Speaker 2 (02:23:37):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:23:39):
You know again, these are all huge upgrades, even if
they're not good. Yeah again, you don't have to buy
twenty twenty five Loreano.

Speaker 2 (02:23:50):
Probably they're in a spot where they're probably not catching
the Dodgers. They need to say that it's three games,
I know, probably probably not. You raised them like you
have a lot more like much better deadline, give a
much better playoff deployment against the kind of tough righties
you're going to see in Bullpen's late in games, right,

(02:24:11):
and you added one of the tough rid yourself.

Speaker 1 (02:24:13):
Yeah, they kept still un cease.

Speaker 2 (02:24:15):
Yeah, I thought when they traded for Miler they were
gonna flip Suarez is like the Yeah, I thought, I
didn't end up doing.

Speaker 1 (02:24:21):
It, but look and and I I think that's the
right decision. I did not think it was a decision
decision that would get made, but I absolutely think that's
the right decision to keep those guys.

Speaker 2 (02:24:33):
I mean, this is this is a bananas, this is
an annoying team. Now they don't add.

Speaker 1 (02:24:41):
Yeah Suarez, Miller, Adam Morojan Estrata, Yep, that's that's But
I guess the question is, like we've seen this from
and it hasn't worked. Now, the playoffs are.

Speaker 2 (02:24:58):
What they are, right, Like it only asked to work once, right.

Speaker 1 (02:25:01):
It does only have to work once. But like and again,
there weren't starters really available. They got one of two
of them in series and and Cortes, you you're they
also gave up to what's your playoff rotation right now?
I mean it's Dylan Cees, it's you, DARV. Dylan Ceese
has not.

Speaker 3 (02:25:17):
Been I mean that is that is your number one?
You know, it's does King come back? Is King coming
back this year?

Speaker 1 (02:25:26):
We don't know, We don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:25:28):
You're number two is back.

Speaker 1 (02:25:29):
It's it's it's you're in a different situation, pathetic King cease.

Speaker 3 (02:25:34):
Darvish is a perfectly yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:25:35):
Yeah, well but but otherwise you still have Randy Vasquez
in the monitors because I guess where I was going.

Speaker 3 (02:25:41):
Yeah, you don't want it, you know, Cortes, Like I
don't know how much hope you want to put in
Cortes at this point. He does fit the park well, right.

Speaker 1 (02:25:49):
Yeah, And like I grant you Dylan Cees, but Dylan
has a four to eight yard.

Speaker 3 (02:25:53):
I trust the three six four fit more than I
trust the four point seventy ninety are. He's still striking
out batters. No, he definitely not walking that many people.
I don't you know, I think I think that's regression coming.

Speaker 1 (02:26:04):
Yeah, I mean it's it's a one three, three five win.
That's not a small I mean, like we talk about
we talk about Randy Vasquez, and like the difference is
Basquets doesn't miss any bats, but like Vasquez has a
one three seven, This is.

Speaker 3 (02:26:18):
Also like a career seven point six hit for nine,
not an eight point six hit like I he, I
think it's gonna bounce back, Okay, and that's fine.

Speaker 1 (02:26:26):
I just yeah, I don't know, I think that I
think they had the best deadline. Yeah, and I think
it's everyone inside from Mason Miller.

Speaker 3 (02:26:35):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I think I don't I
don't know if I can look past Mason Miller. Yeah,
I think other than Miller, they had the best deadline.
And that it's like saying, well, we're talking.

Speaker 1 (02:26:46):
About improving your twenty twenty five team, like Miller does that, right?

Speaker 3 (02:26:50):
Yeah, they improved that.

Speaker 1 (02:26:51):
What I have used Leo Devrees in a different capacity.
I really would have tried. I really would have tried.

Speaker 3 (02:26:58):
But yeah, I would have been he would have been
a nice headliner for agi O Ryan trade, right, Yeah,
that would have been a lot easier to swallow too,
I think.

Speaker 1 (02:27:10):
Yeah, yeah, I mean what, Yeah, I don't know. I
don't even know if I would have liked that, but uh,
and you know, look, we went through the guys that
they gave out, but.

Speaker 2 (02:27:24):
They traded.

Speaker 3 (02:27:26):
Yeah, they designated Martine Maldonado for as Sigmon, So therefore
they won the deadline. They didn't they figured it out.
I don't know. You gotta let yourself be surprised by
these things.

Speaker 1 (02:27:40):
Yeah, the Giants, uh sent out, they sold. It wasn't
a hard cell, but they sold, which was more than
I was expecting, kind of from buster poss approach right,
and and give yea resources into Devors. I know that's
a long term deal.

Speaker 2 (02:27:58):
But after the Mets wept them, I think I think
it's the right move. You know that Rogers is a
rental is a rental. Devolve was on the market in
the off season, so.

Speaker 1 (02:28:12):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, what else could they have sold? Right?

Speaker 3 (02:28:17):
Like, I guess Wilmer Flores is the sort of bath
that theoretically is worth something, but wasn't worth anything this deadline.
If you can't get rid of Tommy fame, you're not
getting rid of Walmart Flores. You know, they're already playing
Dom Smith, you know. Yeah, I mean they talked about
trading Justin Verlander, and like, as soon as I saw

(02:28:38):
those headlines, that just kind of rolled my eyes back.
You're not getting anything for Justin Verland, or you're not
getting you're not getting offers for Justin Verlander.

Speaker 1 (02:28:47):
So yeah, they did what they could with what they had.

Speaker 3 (02:28:50):
I feel like, yeah, I'm surprised they traded, like I
didn't think they would, just because I thought, you know,
he is he'd reached that, he'd reached that uh what's
his name, that that kind of you know, veteran status
with the club where you're just like, yeah, we're just

(02:29:10):
gonna let him run out.

Speaker 1 (02:29:11):
Of his option.

Speaker 3 (02:29:12):
We could get something for this guy, but we're just
gonna let him ste.

Speaker 1 (02:29:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:29:19):
Yeah, no, Like you know, I think a lot of
people are disappointed the Giants for having to sell. I
think it was the right move to sell.

Speaker 1 (02:29:27):
Yep, right, right, I know they had the start that
they had or whatever, but I mean, like it was
never real. I mean, like you just they didn't have
they didn't have the roster for that.

Speaker 2 (02:29:38):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, they're going to finish around five hundred, right,
maybe worse than there was a lot of like is.

Speaker 1 (02:29:45):
This twenty twenty one?

Speaker 3 (02:29:47):
And no, no, no, And I can't speak to the
prospect quality, but like this is kind of the slightly
nicer version of the of the quantity, Right, they got
a lot of dinged former top prospects, so maybe one
of them gets both hype and cracks.

Speaker 1 (02:30:04):
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure jefinitely have more to say
about tid Well and Gilbert. They're more name than they
are than they than they are like quality, I guess
at this point. But that's not there's nothing there.

Speaker 3 (02:30:16):
I know.

Speaker 2 (02:30:16):
They're like Gilbert is probably a two win corner outfielder
that can fake center once in a while and too, yes,
and tid Well is probably a multiiti reliever of some sort.

Speaker 1 (02:30:26):
So sure, you know. Yeah, again, that's that's not bad,
even if it is more name value than actual value.
The Diamondbacks, Uh, Kelly, we talked about also here we go. Yeah,
we didn't talk that. This wasn't in the Brewers, it wasn't. Okay,

(02:30:46):
well we did what Yeah, Jordan Montgomery, how did this work?
How did this work?

Speaker 3 (02:30:56):
So the Brewers wanted Shelby Miller and they didn't trade
a prospect. So like, we can't just give you that
much cash, but we can't, could you know?

Speaker 1 (02:31:05):
But but why why? You know?

Speaker 3 (02:31:07):
It's like you can you can't just give everybody in
your life money for Christmas? But instead why.

Speaker 2 (02:31:14):
A gift card? You got a gift card for one?
Jordan Montgomery.

Speaker 3 (02:31:17):
Jordan Montgomery is the gift card of baseball. You just
you're like, well, just we'll take him. We'll bring him
over to our organization. So you don't have to like
hear from him anymore. He doesn't have to like you
don't have to call him or send him a check,
like you don't have to look at his name on
the checks when you.

Speaker 1 (02:31:32):
Send the checks out.

Speaker 3 (02:31:33):
We'll pay two million dollars of his salary or whatever
the Brewers are fronting for it. It's it's a nice gesture.
It's a good will.

Speaker 1 (02:31:42):
Well, so I don't even know what, Yeah, what are
you they sent money to?

Speaker 3 (02:31:46):
They so they they basically they took on Montgomery, and
like any other deal the Dinographs like Korea, the Dyamamacks
agreed to pay part of his salary to paying five
of the seven million that Montgomery still load. Okay, And
so that's how I realized it was only that little Yeah,
I mean, it's it's a third of one year of
twenty million dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:32:04):
Right fareabouts.

Speaker 3 (02:32:06):
Yeah, right, sounds a lot worse that way, but you know, so, yeah,
that's just it was, It's just it's just a nice
little thing to do.

Speaker 1 (02:32:16):
No friends and the like.

Speaker 2 (02:32:18):
Again, I don't. They traded Argue with the best bat
they got traded, and definitely the best starter they got traded,
and a pretty good believer and they didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:32:26):
Yeah, and we didn't list Nailer on this, but they
get a ton bag Nailer and they traded grid Shock. Also,
I mean, look, they did they did a solid job
of selling, like moving what they needed to move. I
don't know how much how if they did a solid
job of getting Yeah, I think I don't know how

(02:32:46):
you land on that.

Speaker 2 (02:32:47):
Yeah, I mean, like again, I think lock clear, maybe
they're starting first baseman next year, But also, is he
really that much better than twenty twenty four Josh Naylor?

Speaker 1 (02:32:57):
Like, I think they'd be happy if that.

Speaker 2 (02:33:00):
Yeah, he's keeper and there's a lot of team control,
and there's some reason to believe in the bat improvements
in the last month. But again, I think, like this market,
there just weren't unless you were trading Mason Miller, like
there's that guy out there. There weren't teams even getting
like fringy one on one guys for the most part.

Speaker 3 (02:33:20):
Yeah, Yeah, the Diamondbacks do not happen any leaders to sell,
And that's the thing that you needed to be selling.
They got rid of their one. Yeah, but everyone else
is hurt. Right, can't trade Buck, you can't trade Martinez,
you can't. You know, the gank is out, you know.
So so yeah, they're they're coming. They're they're clearly going

(02:33:45):
to They're they're acting like twenty twenty six. They're going
to be right back to all.

Speaker 1 (02:33:50):
Well, they have to, I mean, they only get Corbyn
Carroll for so long. They only I mean, like is
only going to be good for so long, like second
basement just generally don't age that while he is very
very good. They've given money to Geraldo Perdomo, right, like
they they're invested, right, but you give a lot of

(02:34:13):
money to cordyin Burg like they have to care about next.

Speaker 3 (02:34:15):
Year and I and I think they should. I think
it's just what happens is that when we were used
to looking at these lists, we've got them all here
listed out on the dock and all these names, so
they're so used, We're so used to looking at who
are the best players now and who are the most
talented futures, And the Diamondbacks didn't want the most talented futures.
They wanted the guys were going to invest in twenty
twenty six for their needs and so yeah, that list

(02:34:38):
is going to look disappointing next to the Rise and
next to even you know, the.

Speaker 1 (02:34:43):
I don't know that you're getting in Yeah, I mean yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:34:47):
Uh so, Yeah, I don't love what they got back.
I'm not a huge tilet lock there, guy.

Speaker 1 (02:34:52):
I you know, I think Paul Drake might be the
best guy they got might be.

Speaker 3 (02:34:56):
Yeah, Yeah, Van Burgos and Hunter Cranton are going to
be useful relievers. Ye, probably pretty soon, but they're gonna
be relievers. Like It's just it was it was a
real low ceiling priority for them, and you know it's
it's then it's fine. It's real hard to get excited about.
I think it's a this is a deadline they'll be
happier with in March than they are now. And then

(02:35:22):
they have the Rockies.

Speaker 1 (02:35:23):
Then the Rockies. We talked about that. I don't know,
good for they need three trades in July bless yeah anything,
I mean, like, yeah, Riggio we talked about, we talked
about we talked about.

Speaker 2 (02:35:41):
Shields carrying is like okay, like they did like they
did again they didn't really Yeah, I don't know what
they actually had to trade the Rockies. Maybe they traded
Seth Halverson, they had traded Victor vod Neck and gotten
similar returns to Jake Bird. Probably they could have gotten
another rock radio.

Speaker 3 (02:36:02):
Yeah, but of course, like again like the Braves, if
you're selling, you're selling low one pretty much everybody else.

Speaker 2 (02:36:07):
Like the Braves, they plan on just running this back
next year slightly different results or I mean, in the
Rockies case, the same results.

Speaker 1 (02:36:18):
But all right, I know it's been long podcasts. I'm
not trying to believeror it because we have the game
to get to. Do you have any big picture I
don't like over extend, but big picture do you want
to you could do a winner loser kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (02:36:33):
I do think it's interesting there were this many trades,
and it also feels like the general look on a
movement like there's nothing here. We were saying, like, okay,
that team is now like set up for a deep
playoff run and weren't before, right or.

Speaker 1 (02:36:49):
Like closest tores probably, but also you know you've got.

Speaker 2 (02:36:56):
Maybe you've got three pretty close, two very close and
one pretty close division races two pretty close. I guess
said Yankees are probably not as far back as the
race are. And you've got two very close races in
the NL East and the NL Central, which is also
in for the buy right, and like there's value in
getting by. And you look at like what the Mets did, Yes,

(02:37:17):
they brought they brought up the floor of their bullfend
in center field spot a lot. You know, the Phillies
brought up the floor of their outfield and bullpen.

Speaker 1 (02:37:25):
This was about fixing floors more than this.

Speaker 2 (02:37:28):
Was not about like getting a star right right, and
like it's the stars were out there, but not out
there right.

Speaker 1 (02:37:38):
The Yankees are three and a half back, the Padres
are three back, the Phillies are half a game back,
and the Cubs are half back. There's four races that
should matter right in there, and and none of these
teams are. Milwaukee has the best record in the National League.
The Cubs are second, the Dodgers are right behind, right
in third. The Buys are at at place.

Speaker 2 (02:38:00):
Oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:38:02):
The Astros are two games two wins back of the
Tigers and Jays for the bye like those those were
they were in the Yeah, I mean, it felt it
feels like there should be more. A lot of this
is and This is a lot of what I centered
my article on why it was quiet, was like, I
don't think these teams, these none of these I shouldn't

(02:38:25):
say not Browler, it's not true. Dombrowski, it's not true.
The raised front office's.

Speaker 3 (02:38:30):
Operated on their own plane.

Speaker 1 (02:38:31):
Yeah, I think a lot of these guys have come
up the front office. Guys have come up in eras
where it was absolutely fine to make very conservative moves
for their own futures, if that makes sense. I don't
mean the team's future. Like there were a lot of

(02:38:52):
strip to the studs kind of situations and all of that,
but everything was protecting themselves in the front office. And
I think the way the deadline operates with six teams
making the playoffs per league and when there aren't, the
way the bad teams have been hollowed out over the last.

Speaker 2 (02:39:14):
Few So none of these guys get fired anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:39:17):
Well, but I guess my point is like the only
thing that will get them fired is taking a bold
stance at the deadline and taking a team that's that's
I don't know, let's say it's Texas or what's the
NL version of this, Cincinnati and doing like a hard,

(02:39:37):
hard buy right. If you do that and miss, now
you're in trouble, right, but you don't have to do
any and like they also don't. Aside from the Rays,
I feel like are not a dept at buying and
selling at the same time at taking those kind of risks.
The Rays traded their starting Catcher and just said, Okay,

(02:39:59):
we're just gonna go with like lesser guys at Catcher.
We're not back feeling. We're not buying and selling Catcher.
We are just I mean, they did with Fortess and Fiducial,
but that's not a backfield. That's just like whatever, we're
patching that and punting on Catcher basically, and we're gonna
do so we're gonna go with relievers. I guess we're
gonna They did buy and sell it at Pitcher, right,

(02:40:22):
but like the other teams aren't really doing that and
maybe not aren't good at it or aren't are too
scared to be potentially good at it because it's it's risky, right.

Speaker 2 (02:40:33):
You can you can make the right process decision and
the guy you trade for can get hurt or the.

Speaker 1 (02:40:39):
Guy but you can get fired for that right process decision.
And I think that's what makes them conservative on this
kind of stuff. Yeah, And look, someone replied to me
and was kind of like, well, I don't know if
that's like you're saying it like it's bad that the
deadline is is fired or we're not seeing as much
action whatever. I don't know if it's good or bad.

(02:41:01):
I'm just saying that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (02:41:04):
This is too much to talk about to basically talk
about nothing. Yeah, I mean regular show, that's like, yeah,
we talked about the Leo Diverriez deal, right.

Speaker 1 (02:41:15):
I saw people talking about what an exciting deadline middle
of the day yesterday, and I.

Speaker 2 (02:41:19):
Thought, I just, like I said, I just glazed over
like it was.

Speaker 1 (02:41:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:41:23):
I mean, I know it's for us. It's different than
like the average baseball fan watching these come in. But yeah,
the thing is that for us, A Danny, I gotta
have an opinion.

Speaker 3 (02:41:35):
Yeah, it's just work. Yeah, it's just as much to
write three hundred words about a bad reliever as it
is like a great star. Right, Like, yeah, like a
career career article is an entire piece by itself, But
like Cedric Mullens, that's no, that's no different than than film,
A toon, Like it's it's just the quantity was oppressive.

Speaker 1 (02:41:56):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, and also like there are ones that
you want to have of a frame for and a
take for and and have some opinion on. And it's
kind of like, but but the research is all the same.
Right now, I have to do all the research on

(02:42:16):
Cedric Mullins and Alex call and and those types of
guys that you know. Again, it's like more research on
those type of guys almost than it is on I.
I'd prefer to talk about how like the big picture
stuff on what these teams are trying to do and
what it means for them and that kind of thing.

(02:42:37):
And I don't mean to complain what I want is
not the important, but that it is. It's like to
just point, it's like a lot for it's a lot
for a little it is.

Speaker 3 (02:42:46):
It is a lot of a lot of people trying
to look busy at work, right yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:42:51):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:42:51):
The everyone everyone did stuff right, even the Rockies traded
people right, right. I guess one of the things that's
most surprising to me is that we didn't have a
team that sat out right. Everybody had to do something,
even the Reds like felt compelled to do something, and
the Reds usually are pretty you know, you can lean
on them to kind of forget that the deadline happened.

(02:43:12):
I mean, the Angels couldn't the Guardians. The Guardians came
close to enough.

Speaker 1 (02:43:15):
The Angels could have done nothing. We didn't. We didn't
need their moves. Yeah, they didn't need their moves. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:43:22):
Yeah, they have a team that came closest to be
truly meaning.

Speaker 2 (02:43:25):
Usually usually there's a team every year that does nothing
or just want like a Twins didn't do anything last year,
I think, or something right, and like, well that's that's
like no more teams should have done nothing. So we
didn't do a three hours.

Speaker 1 (02:43:36):
I wanted. I wanted. I wanted teams to do stuff. No, no,
it's not what I wanted. No, all right, speaking of
not what we want, but what we have.

Speaker 2 (02:43:46):
We have a game, yes, all right.

Speaker 3 (02:43:48):
So I don't know the score. We're gonna do these
live together. No, no booths because I have to join
in as well. Oh really well yeah, because it's it's
all mic blox. So we're gonna all answer the question.
And then I wanted to have the answer. No I don't,
he's he Colin has helpfully covered up the answers so
that I can ask the question, we all answer, and
then I highlight the answer and it will reveal. Okay,

(02:44:10):
so thank you, thank you, Colin. That's a great way
to do it. All right. So the first one who
is older Shane Bieber or Justin Bieber?

Speaker 1 (02:44:18):
Ooh, okay, we should point out by it. Well you're well,
you guys are thinking Colin said this. It's all like
like trivia related to people.

Speaker 3 (02:44:30):
Yeah, involved in the dead.

Speaker 2 (02:44:31):
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say, all right, I.

Speaker 1 (02:44:35):
Also am going to say, I'm gonna say Justin. I'm
gonna say Shane.

Speaker 3 (02:44:41):
But I love it. The answer is Justin.

Speaker 2 (02:44:44):
By fifteen months, Craig takes a point.

Speaker 1 (02:44:47):
Damn all right.

Speaker 3 (02:44:48):
Paul Sewald was also traded at the deadline twenty twenty
three for Dominant Canzone and Josh Rojas. Which of these
three players has accumulated the most Baseball Reference war in twenty.

Speaker 2 (02:44:58):
Twenty five five only can Zone audience?

Speaker 1 (02:45:04):
It has to be can Zone.

Speaker 3 (02:45:06):
It's actually I think it has to be ROAs.

Speaker 1 (02:45:09):
Oh. I thought Ross hasn't been good. I thought, I
don't think he's been good.

Speaker 3 (02:45:12):
He's been playing a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:45:14):
Zone has been kind of okay, hasn't it all right?

Speaker 3 (02:45:16):
We were good, but I think he's only been good
for like under twenty plain appearances. It is Canzone crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:45:21):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:45:21):
Craig is like, yeah, all right, Ross, Yeah, the third
person is just like upsetting the balance.

Speaker 1 (02:45:27):
And now it's like choosing between A M B. But
now there's C Like, I don't you know it shouldn't
change A and B but it does.

Speaker 3 (02:45:34):
In how many seasons is io Henny O Suarez garnered
m VP votes? I'm going to say one, oh man, three?

Speaker 1 (02:45:44):
What you have? Like forty eight homers one year? Yeah,
I'm gonna be wrong, but I'm gonna say zero.

Speaker 3 (02:45:53):
I don't think he should have Well, we all whipt
on that one.

Speaker 1 (02:45:55):
It was two too high. I don't think he should
have m VB. I don't think that's right.

Speaker 3 (02:46:02):
Who has more baseball reference more? Taylor Rogers or Tyler Rogers.

Speaker 2 (02:46:07):
Oh, it feels like we should have a sight Tyler Tyler.

Speaker 1 (02:46:14):
I think it has to be Tyler.

Speaker 3 (02:46:17):
Yeah. I mean, it's not to my advantage to agree
with you at this point, but I'm going to say
Tyler as well. It is Tyler nine point one to
seven point eight closer than I thought it would be, Yeah,
what did the JP and JP sears name stand for?

Speaker 2 (02:46:30):
I think we've had this before.

Speaker 1 (02:46:31):
I think I think yeah, I mean, who knows.

Speaker 2 (02:46:41):
Justin Peter John Paul?

Speaker 1 (02:46:44):
Well, you think he's John Paul Morosi.

Speaker 3 (02:46:47):
I think he's Jason Paul. It's John Patrick.

Speaker 1 (02:46:53):
Stood by your own yeah. Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:46:56):
In his nine Major league seasons, Ryan McMahon has hosted
an ops plus of one hundred or higher in a
single season. How many times?

Speaker 2 (02:47:05):
Zero?

Speaker 3 (02:47:06):
I want to say zero as well.

Speaker 1 (02:47:08):
Yeah, the adjustment on Brough kills kills him. For course.
I'm gonna no, I'm I'm gonna say I think he's
got there once.

Speaker 3 (02:47:23):
All right, well we come up it is zero.

Speaker 2 (02:47:26):
I was very confident in that.

Speaker 3 (02:47:27):
I was pretty confident too. We're catching up, as I'm saying,
we all caught up a point. So now it's Craig
two and the rest of us one. Cabrian Hayes father
Charlie famously caught the final out of the nineteen ninety
six World Series. I'm gonna add Colin, maybe not famously
enough for the New York Yankees.

Speaker 2 (02:47:45):
Do you think so I got because like question, I
wouldn't have got.

Speaker 1 (02:47:50):
I would not have got it.

Speaker 2 (02:47:51):
They showed that highlight on yes, during commercial breaks so
many times that I've just seen it a million time
during like Mike and the mad Dog.

Speaker 3 (02:47:59):
All right game, Uh, name either the winning picture of
that game or the batter who made the final out
bonus point if you can get both.

Speaker 2 (02:48:11):
So this is against the Braves, right. Ninety six? Yeah,
I will say the six ninety four, ninety six, they
didn't win the World Series.

Speaker 3 (02:48:23):
In ninety they didn't win the World Series. There was Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:48:29):
Gonna say the hitter is David Justice and the pictures
John Wetland.

Speaker 1 (02:48:33):
Oh, I was so. I was totally gonna say John.

Speaker 2 (02:48:36):
I was also closer.

Speaker 1 (02:48:38):
Yeah, but could it have been like Rivera? It was
Rivera was around because wet One could have gotten the safe. Yeah,
all right, I'm fine, I'm just gonna go Rivera. And
I'm gonna say Javier low Petz.

Speaker 3 (02:49:03):
I feel like ninety six is an era where we
still had a lot of.

Speaker 1 (02:49:09):
Was he still around it? That way I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (02:49:11):
Say, I mean, I'm gonna go off the board here
and I'm gonna say it's for Mirra Mendoza, and I'm
gonna say it's Mark.

Speaker 2 (02:49:18):
I thought you're gonna go Jeff Nowson when you said
you're going off the board.

Speaker 3 (02:49:21):
No, I'm going further off the board for Mira Mendoza.
Let's see. Uh, the answer is Jimmy Key and Mark Lemkey.

Speaker 1 (02:49:32):
Wow one. Good for Jimmy Key.

Speaker 2 (02:49:36):
I wouldn't a million like I know he played for
the Yankee tho not yes, he was on that.

Speaker 3 (02:49:41):
Yeah, who has the career higher? Who has the higher
career ops plus Cabrian Hayes or Charlie Hayes.

Speaker 2 (02:49:50):
It's gonna be Charlie.

Speaker 1 (02:49:51):
I'm gonna say Charlie because Cabrian's been.

Speaker 2 (02:49:54):
So I know Charlie wasn't a great hitter, but I know.

Speaker 3 (02:49:56):
Yea, I'm gonna saying Charlie as well. And it is
Charlie barely to eighty seven.

Speaker 1 (02:50:01):
Yeah. Well, Brian had like the twenty twenty three he
was actually good.

Speaker 2 (02:50:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:50:06):
Michael Soroka finished second. Okay, we got we got six
more questions, Michael Soroka.

Speaker 2 (02:50:12):
I know it's a three hour podcast already.

Speaker 3 (02:50:15):
Michael Siroka then is second in the twenty nineteen and
L Rookie of the Year voting named the perennial All
Star players who finished first and third. I can I'm
not going to be.

Speaker 1 (02:50:24):
Able to do one year twenty nineteen n L Rookie
of the Year.

Speaker 2 (02:50:31):
Perennials's got to be a Kuny and Soda right nineteen
twenty nineteen?

Speaker 1 (02:50:41):
Yeah, yeah, okay, Sodokun was before Soto.

Speaker 2 (02:50:47):
The same air, didn't they? No, I think it's well,
you like, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (02:50:52):
Gonna my head. Soto was definitely twenty nineteen. I think
is twenty eighteen. I'm gonna say Tatis. I think it
might be Tatus and so.

Speaker 2 (02:51:03):
Stein was.

Speaker 3 (02:51:05):
I think it's Soto as well. I don't know about
the other.

Speaker 1 (02:51:11):
I mean, Soda is definitely yeah, yeah, so it is definitely.

Speaker 2 (02:51:18):
H I And I'm just gonna a canon.

Speaker 1 (02:51:24):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (02:51:25):
But I'm gonna go I'm gonna side with Craig and
go with Tatus and so uh it is Tatus and Alonso.

Speaker 2 (02:51:35):
Wo A great job guarantee that eighteen?

Speaker 3 (02:51:39):
Then yeah, okay, all right, so one point for me
and Craig. Uh, in what season and in what season
did Roden Randy Dobnack most recently throw a major league pitch.
I'm gonna say twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1 (02:51:55):
Was they called him up but he called not pitch.

Speaker 2 (02:51:58):
That's if they should.

Speaker 1 (02:52:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:52:01):
I think this is a double bluff. You think it's
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (02:52:06):
Yeah, that's I'm gonna go with you. Jeff.

Speaker 3 (02:52:07):
Yeah, you're correct.

Speaker 1 (02:52:11):
I knew he was up.

Speaker 3 (02:52:12):
Yeah, all right, so Craig's and the lad it's now
Craig five me for Jeff. Three four more questions. Kyle
Finnegan ranks fifth on the Washington Nationals Montreal Exposed all
time saves list.

Speaker 1 (02:52:22):
Who is first? That's free?

Speaker 3 (02:52:25):
I know this one, So I'm gonna go ahead and
save my answer.

Speaker 2 (02:52:28):
Chad Cordero, Yeah it's Chad Cardio.

Speaker 1 (02:52:31):
Oh okay, Chad Cordo, Yeah it's not.

Speaker 3 (02:52:33):
It's Jeff Reardon that gets duplicitous. Oh oh, you were agreed.
I thought none of us got the point.

Speaker 1 (02:52:41):
I thought it was.

Speaker 3 (02:52:42):
I think Corderio is for the Nationals.

Speaker 1 (02:52:47):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:52:48):
David Bednar ranks sixth on the Pittsburgh Pirates all time
saves list. Name anyone ahead of him? Bonus point if
you get number one?

Speaker 2 (02:52:59):
All Oh my god? Who closes for the Pirates? Kind
of question is that I can't remember a Pirates reliever.

Speaker 3 (02:53:11):
Frankly, the funny thing is that the first one I
think of as somebody who existed well before Saves existed. Yeah,
like I know the back datum, but like.

Speaker 1 (02:53:24):
I I.

Speaker 2 (02:53:26):
God, I can't like, I can't think of like.

Speaker 1 (02:53:28):
I don't know who like a notable Pirates closer.

Speaker 2 (02:53:31):
I am going to say, Mark Mullanson.

Speaker 1 (02:53:33):
Yeah, yeah, you know what. Fine, I'm sorry, I gotta
stop going on.

Speaker 3 (02:53:39):
Yeah, Mark Mullanson is fifth and the guy I thought
of his first roy face.

Speaker 1 (02:53:45):
I should have just said face are the others, which.

Speaker 3 (02:53:49):
Makes a lot of sense. Oh yeah, Mike Williams and
Dave Gusty, who I've never known a cardinal. Yea, So
two questions, three questions left. Cedric Mullins made an MLB
debut on August ten, twenty eighteen, about three weeks after
the Oriols traded Manny Machada the Dodgers. Machado still finished

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that season number one on the Oriols in preay Baseball
Reference War and tie for.

Speaker 1 (02:54:13):
The team lead and home run.

Speaker 3 (02:54:15):
Name either the player who finished second in Baseball Reference
War who tied Machado in home runs bonus point if
you get both. So it was twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen,
who was second?

Speaker 1 (02:54:27):
On the team eighteen.

Speaker 2 (02:54:29):
It feels like a weird in Baseball Reference that, like
the good Chris Tillman, the season feels like it's too light.

Speaker 1 (02:54:37):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 3 (02:54:39):
I was trying to think of twenty I'm always my
first instinct, the first player I think of is someone
I always think of, and then I'm wrong the very
time I think of his name.

Speaker 2 (02:54:49):
I know Davis was already bad that year. I don't
think he was bad bad yet.

Speaker 1 (02:54:54):
Yeah, boy, he could be the home run answer.

Speaker 2 (02:54:56):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (02:55:01):
Ah was it? Was it Adam Jones gone by? Then?

Speaker 2 (02:55:06):
I think he was still there.

Speaker 1 (02:55:08):
I'm gonna say Adam Jones.

Speaker 3 (02:55:09):
Yeah, I don't know to call two names. I don't.
You don't have to decide you have to do each one. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:55:15):
I assume they're too. I assume they're two separate people.

Speaker 1 (02:55:17):
Yeah. Yeah, and you.

Speaker 3 (02:55:19):
I don't care which way if you if you accidentally
get the wrong one.

Speaker 1 (02:55:21):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (02:55:22):
So just Jones and Davis, all right, I'm going to
say Jones and j J. Hardy, even though I think
JJ like twenty twelve.

Speaker 2 (02:55:30):
Yeah, I was, I was thinking Hardy and like, you
can't still be on there in twenty. I have no
sense for like exactly what I just said it myself.
I am going to say, I guess I gotta I
gotta go in a different direction. Probably here. I'm going
to say, I should put you.

Speaker 1 (02:55:48):
You said Davis, I shouldn't, shouldn't hijack that. But I
honestly don't know who else was on that team.

Speaker 2 (02:55:54):
I'm going to say, say, tree Man Scene and Adam Johns,
we're all wrong on both. Jonathan Scope reference yeah, and

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Mark Trumbo for Homes. I would not have thought he
was still in baseball then, because that's why I don't
know where twenty eighteen was yonder.

Speaker 3 (02:56:23):
One of Carlos Korea's teammates, Mark Trumpo could have just
been playing last year. One of Carlos Korea's teammates also
won a major award the same year he won the
AL Rookie the Year, Name the year, and the award.

Speaker 1 (02:56:38):
Ye true thirty one. So he probably came up at
twenty or twenty one, right, So he is that's eleven
ten or eleven years ago. So twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen,

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someone won a major award? Is that right? Is that
what I'm here?

Speaker 3 (02:57:06):
Somebody won the Major award in Carlos Kree's rookie year
on the ass dress. Uh, it would have been around
when they started getting good.

Speaker 1 (02:57:23):
But in that they won a major award in that
year in that year. Wait, I did he say teammate
teammate teammates because I was thinking he was gonna be
tricky and it was gonna be like bo porter One
Manager of the Year or some ship.

Speaker 3 (02:57:43):
Uh, it's got to be like a bow porter one
manager the year. He would have lasted another year, another season.

Speaker 1 (02:57:49):
I thought he did. Okay, at some point people like him.
It's got to be like a relief award, right, like
a like no one, what if they? Uh, I don't.
I'm gonna say George Springer. Okay, I don't know what

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award he is. I'm not gonna make a name. I
don't know, alright, Jeff, Yeah, I got nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:58:18):
No, I'm waiting because I think I know.

Speaker 1 (02:58:19):
Okay, I say I'm not. I'm gonna say twenty fifteen,
twenty I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (02:58:26):
You said the year in the award, name the player
in the award?

Speaker 1 (02:58:30):
Oh? Okay? Uh, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:58:34):
All right, I will I will say Dallas Kyle Saya
it's Dallas. Okay, good, it is Dallas kyl Saia all right.

Speaker 1 (02:58:43):
Jo, I forgot I forgot about Dallas Kyle six to
six to five. Last question. Here we go.

Speaker 3 (02:58:48):
We have a chance for a three way tief. Jeff
gets us alone. Who has more career baseball reference war
the Hazes Sanchez who was traded to the Astros of
the deadline, or the Hazes Sanchez, who pitched for the
Arlan's Cubs, Rockies, and Reds from nineteen ninety eight to
two thousand and four.

Speaker 1 (02:59:06):
I'll go first. I guess alright, we're tied.

Speaker 3 (02:59:08):
So you we're tied. Yeah, I will go first time.

Speaker 1 (02:59:14):
I don't know English.

Speaker 3 (02:59:23):
I've never heard of this other Hazes.

Speaker 1 (02:59:26):
Yeah, trick, but I'm just gonna. I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (02:59:29):
I think the Cubs. Cubs sounds vaguely familiar to me.

Speaker 3 (02:59:34):
Never in seven, seven seasons, five teams. It doesn't look
good for him. Also, his Sanchez isn't very good.

Speaker 1 (02:59:42):
I'm gonna. I hate to go with the time, but
I think.

Speaker 3 (02:59:45):
You're right, Craig. I think it's the position player, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (02:59:47):
You can I'm gonna hold it up for you.

Speaker 2 (02:59:49):
I'm gonna take the picture.

Speaker 3 (02:59:50):
Yeah, and it is the current one.

Speaker 1 (02:59:54):
I thought it was.

Speaker 3 (02:59:55):
Yeah, so Craig and I tie with the victory seven
points each.

Speaker 1 (03:00:00):
Well done.

Speaker 3 (03:00:01):
Those are excellent questions.

Speaker 1 (03:00:03):
Yeah, very fun. I'm happy to split the win. I'm
happy to get any part of a win at this point.
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