Five and Dive, Episode 480: Fish > Bird

In Episode 480, Patrick, Jeffrey, and Craig chat about the iMDB 250 and then discuss five mostly baseball topics. 

1. Variance Swamps the Yankees: Look you can't judge a trade deadline by one game, but what a game (and then two more bad games)
2. We're going streaking: The Marlins and Guardians are hot. Does it mean anything?
3. Ascent into Madness: The Rockies and Pirates played a weird series. Does it mean anything (other than Warming Bernabel is the best hitter in baseball)?
4. Around the Horn: A deluge in Tennessee, some pitcher injuries, and a good and bad week for some podcast faves
5. Who actually played for the Padres anyway? 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to episode four eighty of five and five. It
is Monday, August fourth. I'm your host, Great Goldstein, joined
as usual by Patrick Dubuke and Jeffrey Batter in austral Gentlemen,
how are we doing? Are we recovered? Are we refreshed?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
No, fresh is not the word I would use.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Are we exhausted? Do we have panther?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
There's like residual exhaustion? I guess, Oh.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, I have some personal terrible mood, terrible news for me, Craig,
as you know, and Jeff I don't know if you know,
but like I don't know why you would. I've had
a long standing, like decades long project to watch all
the movies in the IMDb Top two hundred fifty.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
You've mentioned this before, okay.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
And you know, like I'm not further along than the
last time we talked about it.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well, they keep adding ones, I assume anyone.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
So here's the problem. There are new movies that come out,
but there are also movies that, because of the way
that the IMDb algorithm works, you need to have a
certain number of votes to make it on there. So
every once in a while you'll get a movie that
pops up. That is just an old movie, but it's
international and it suddenly receives enough enough votes to make it.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
It's a Criterion release or something.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, and it's it's uh and I'm going to try
and fight it is so so this weekend I discovered
that a new movie is there. It's number one hundred
and fifty five. It's called The Best of Youth or
in its original title, La Meglio gian vinto. It is
a Italian movie. It is a romantic epicure yeah, about

(01:47):
a family like family is over there?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
It is six hours and fourteen minutes long. Hell yeah,
a six hour and fourteen minutes. Just do it while
you're driving your kids to camp.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, this is this is the tesla and kick back.
They can drive themselves.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah yeah, so you know about that.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
This is this is devastating to me. I had such
a hard time just watching uh, just watching a Christopher
Nolan movie. It's enough to.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Two thousand and three, two thousand and three.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, I'm sure it's good. I might see if it
drops off the two undred, the top two hundred. Watching it,
we'll see. Usually there's a little pushback when these movies
show up on the list because they're like, no.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Come on, I'm sorry, what is it? What is it called?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
The Best of Youth is English translation? Anyway, that's but
that's I am still recovering from that, So you know,
send your thoughts some press.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I am mileast. It could be worse. It could be
like a lot of people have finally watched Come and See,
and now you have to watch that.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Oh I have to that's on the list.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Oh is it? Yeah, you have to watch it at
some point. Okay, fair enough. I'm now just like scatting
this list to see I get vaguely like there's nothing
that I don't remember from like the I guess Inception. Yeah,
I don't know what the last. Oh Interstellar is that
why you watched Interstellar in the first place? That is
why I watch that's too high for Interstellar, but.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
It is too like Chris the IMB list five.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Spots ahead of seven Samurai.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Look, I don't think it's I don't think it's an
accurate list of what the best two hundred fifty movies are.
It is a good blend of things that are both
good and also things that are popular in a way
that isn't just watching art house movies.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Oh right, you've got The Pianist and Gladiator right back
to back. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Also also movies that are long apparent also movies.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, very long. Well, all movies are long now. Of course.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
This isn't like there's some recency bias.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Right.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
You like Spider Man, oh very much, Spider Verse, but
you also have like Cinema Parodisa. So it's like it
is like it is a good vex.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, it's yeah. Yeah. So I have at the moment
twenty minute twenty movies to go.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Imagine having time to watch movies.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I know. I don't why I still have twenty movie
to go. At one point I was down to two.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
No, but you you like you. I don't want to
get But like you have older kids like you, you
have time. You have some time, they can some some time.
You clearly do. Patrick, You're get twenty movies left on
this thing twenty ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Wow, it's different twenty now.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, it just is a different twenty I just tip
what I tread water on this.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I'm curious to see if highest to lowest ends up
higher than high and low on this when it comes out.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Jeffrey, do you have any banter you'd.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Like to know.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I'm just looking over the imd Oh it is it
number ninety? Come and see.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Wow, Yeah it's there.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
It has one hundred and fifteen thousand ratings. Is not
very high relative. It's more than a crew, I guess
looking at this. Yeah, but it's like a tenth of
much as Reservoir Dogs, which you know is also on
this list for some reason.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Sure, yeah, solid flick.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
It's fine, Like it's fine for what it is.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
There's some choices on here. There are a few Oscar
Bay movies on this list that I'm not thrilled about.
I have to see the Green I see Green Book.
Yeah not, you know, it'll it'll be right.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Oh yeah that didn't I didn't see that, but it didn't.
It didn't appeal.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Anyway, speaking of speaking of come and see the Yankees
and it's all about the Marlins, we'll go to our
first segment, the variants Swamps Yankees.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, that first game might have been harder for Yankees
fans to watch them. Come and see.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
So, yeah, the Yankees, uh traded for you?

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Now?

Speaker 1 (05:38):
You say three relievers? Here in my head it was
like five. Did they only trade for three?

Speaker 2 (05:43):
I think they only traded for three I think, but
these were certainly the main three that they traded for,
and they all pitched in this game.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
And uh and they blew that lead.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I like I understand it is.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
It's a little on a narrative basis, like if you
submitted to that period, Yeah, a little heavy handed.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, one of them like fine, Jake Bird comes in,
gives up like a game time Grand Slam or whatever.
It is, like that happens, right, like you don't want
it to happen, but it happens. But then have every
other really and also we should mention who's a Cabbyero
muff to play as well? And extras? I think so
literally everyone they traded for contributed.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah it was three. Uh yeah, I mean I I
will say, like, you're like, this happens, it does. I
guess at least it was Kyle.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Stowers, yeah, and not who hit the home run off
of Yeah, he also tagged Carlos through don Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
I mean, what's what's wild about this is? I mean, like,
so Kyle Stowers was hitting low in the lineup because
Rodan started as a left right or whatever. But you
do look at this lineup and You're like, how are
you possibly hitting Kyle Stowers down in the lineup, like
you are the Marlins, and I know the Marlins.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Are like, we'll get to it.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, yeah, but I don't know it. It seems hard
to fathom, especially once you've shipped out. J Zeus Sin says, right, like,
you don't even have like another component it. They also like,
I don't know, they got more than two hits from
three guys, one of whom was Javier Sonoha, Like, it's

(07:27):
just a bizarre but to put up thirteen runs, yeah,
without like an absolutely wild performance from the lineup again,
thirteen runs, Yeah, they only had three guys with more
than one hit. Yeah, it's bizarre. I guess that's the
Yankees had twelve and had the same thing, but one

(07:48):
of their guys had four hits. I don't know, just
an absolutely bizarre series. So yeah, it is a little
it's on.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
The nose, right, you can only like, you can't lose
a game more than one. But also the combined WPA
of these three pictures was minus one point five.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, they tried.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
They tried to lose it more than once.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, And also like it certainly felt like there was
a hangover into the next couple of games because they
lost those two.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, like that if that happens, like and you take
the next two, you can kind of laugh about it, right,
Like it's not gonna be good for those pictures. Yankees
e r a line on their ball reference page, but whatever.
But then they got shut down by Yuri Peiz and
Louise Hill came back and got knocked around himself and
yeah the Yankees, I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, and it was and they faced Edward Cabrera who
because they did they made Luis hilgame who who? And
Cabrera was very good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, I mean the sort of the sort of pictures
team might build around.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
I I don't know. I mean, I have to imagine
the vibes. And I was not on social that much
this week. It was obviously the end of last week
is a lot. Yeah, trying to decompress a little bit,
or if we're doing sign for all references, decompose. But
I have to imagine the vibes in New York are

(09:18):
maybe not rancid, but approaching.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
It's like I often find a lot of this to be.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Like the other part of this is that in a
lot of ways the Marlins, I know they're not as
much now, but like we're Yankees South for a long time.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Well they also like I thought you're say it's Yankees
fans South because they like sold that. But that's yeah,
I do think there's a little bit of that old line.
When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression. And
that's what Yankees fans are going through right now. Like
because they don't spend as much. They spend money, but

(09:53):
not as much as some other teams. They are good
at the developmental stuff still but not like elite, and
they're just kind of you know, they they're still good.
They're gonna make the playoffs probably, we'll talk about that
in a second, but they're they're just another good team.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah, they've lost to they've really kind of lost any
kind of identity I think at this point. Right, Yeah,
they're just they're just New York and now like what's well.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Where they're they're New York. But like, as you said,
new York used to have a definition, right and now
like what is it? The funny thing is they don't
like they spend. They do spend, but they're not the
biggest spenders, right, they to just's point, like they do development,
but they're not the premier developers, right like they so

(10:42):
what what where where does that leave them? I mean,
as Jeff said in an doc, like probably the playoffs,
Like they're still good. In the last several years we
projected them. I don't remember it was close at the
top this year, of course it was.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
It was down by the time the standings came out
because because Cole was gone, right.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
But like we've generally projected them to finish first place
in the East, and they've generally done it. So like
it's I feel a little bit fraudulent saying like they're
not whatever. But but it's the vibe that's different, Right,
It's the it's the attitude with which they're finishing. They've

(11:20):
finished first, you're right, Like it's it's yeah, I don't know,
I mean like they again, they they've done well for
several years, right, they've made the playoffs, they were in
the World Series last year. Someone's listening to this and going,
what the hell are you talking about? But it does
feel different because they're not premium or actually they're not

(11:41):
one of one at almost anything at this point.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Right, I think the ironic thing is that we think
about the Yankees is being pinstripes, and you know, like
now they the Yankees are the gray away uniforms that
just hmm, they're just gray.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
That's poetic.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Patrick mh Yeah. I think there's no stars, right, and
there's Aaron Judge, but they don't have like they don't
feel like the line he can pitch this lineup. I
know there's been a lot of session within the fandom
right now in the media to to an extent on

(12:17):
like the Yankees not playing good fundamental baseball like the
well but like I don't that's not the reason they're
where they are right like.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
That, but that's the thing you focus on when everything's
going wrong, right, because that's a thing like you you
can control.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, but they're like I've seen a lot of this too.
Like I saw there was like a Kyle Glazier tweet
about the Cardinals not doing the Cardinals way like two
people and I think we wrote was there a piece
on PP about this recent members like how much harder
it is to play defense nowadays? Or is that a
Russell piece that VP or my completely.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, I Russell thing is that it's so much easier
to play. It's like the problems. They're too good at it,
especially true Blood.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
True Blood Blood wrote something about like.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Be like a first basement our left field because the
game speed's just too fast.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Speaking on which I message you guys, I got no response.
The Royals played Nick Lofton at first base.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Was funny like that, Well you freaked out my totally
over Piguero is playing first Well that is what?

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Why is everyone?

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Look?

Speaker 1 (13:22):
I just need to point out because whatever Cleveland did
with Gabriel Arias, it's not the example to follow. Like
that doesn't make any sense. Why are they all doing that?

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Somebody, somebody needs to play, somebody needs to catch the
ball short, I know they no one else is there.
They like they're looking around in the office and some
one else showed up for work and they're like, well
somebody's gonna wear this knit. Yeah, uh yeah, maybe they
could have thought of that. Maybe they could have gotten
I mean, you know, Matt Murvis is available right now

(13:54):
for you if you want no, it is.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
And look, I don't want to I don't want to
like flip flop on this because I think the Yankees
did a good job of patching their zeros as I
said a million times, but like you look at their
lineup on roster resource or whatever, and see they're running
four platoons, right, that's Giants coded, that's you can and

(14:17):
the Giants are five hundred all the time, right, that's
what the Giants. So like it doesn't. I do think
a lot of this goes back to what you said, Jeff,
and to what you know Patrick so eloquently said, It's like,
this is identity? What is this team?

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Like?

Speaker 1 (14:35):
They are a playoff team. They've been a first place
team a lot, but they don't have like.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
A uh one in which is fine. You just have
to like adjust And look, I think there's legitimate things
to quoll about with this front office and field staff.
It's notly been taken to about eleven by Yankees fans
over the last few years because there is a sense
of entitlement to a World Series title that you know
has not been delivered recently by cash men or hurt

(15:00):
all by Boone.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
But like.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
This starts with it starts at the top, right like
anything else, like they this goes back to not signing
Harper Machado.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Well, so this this goes back to like one of
Jared's favorite things is talking about half measures, right, and
they've I looked, what the Yankees have done isn't half right.
They've spent a lot of money, They've gotten a lot
of good players over time, and look, but it is
kind of three quarters measures for a team that generally
goes or used to go.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
They're the one, They're the one team. They picked the
right free agent starting pitcher, right, because Burns has been
hurt and Snell's back now, but it's missed a lot
of time. And again these are.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Almost a full Snell in his first start.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Back, Like these are like five to seven year contracts, right,
So there's but you want to get the value early
and right. So they did that right, And Kara Cole
got hurt and we knew that, like Cole was dealing
with alboy issues last year and Judge got hurt.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
But even the even even the free like some of
this is about your intentionality, right, and was like was
a pivot? Yeah, So like I think, and I'm not
saying they don't get credit for that. They do obviously,
especially on the field, Right, it happens, but it is

(16:17):
when when we're talking identity, it's about executing on what
you're trying to do. So you're trying to see the
team that signed Juan Soto. They didn't do that. They
were the team that signed Max Freed after won Soto
made a decision in another direction.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Right, and it were a year before that there was like, oh,
Yamamoto really likes the Yankees and will take like really
intends to come to the Yankees and then did not
come to the Yankees.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Well, right, they've they've been second or third place.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
In a number I mean, they were second on judge
until they weren't.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
They were, right they they Yeah, I mean this, I
mean how much of this comes down to Boone? I mean,
now we're getting into stuff where.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Do I think Aaron Boone is a particularly good field manager?
I mean not really, but also doesn't matter how much
doesn't matter like.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
This, Yeah, Boone's a symptom. But the Yankees in New
York I think in general are very good at symptoms.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
They're very good at finding the thing that they can attract.
They can attract the ryer and focus on it.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
They're all they're all like Boone is not. Boone protects
his players, right. He says some things in press conferences
that are kind of silly. He's maybe a little like
he gets ejected a lot, but I think generally with
the media, he's fairly laid back and like Billy Martin,
hasn't been a manager for the Yankees for like forty years.
Like you look at what they've had there, I guess.
I guess maybe Showalter in the mid nineties, like Tory,

(17:36):
was a very like, you know, low key yeah players
manager players manager. Girardi was a little more prickly. But
I wouldn't call him like, you know, a bit of
a you know, a red ass or anything. I mean
he was as a player and food isn't that guy?
Think those managers don't really exist anymore? Well, I don't
think you want them running a starlight and clubhouse. He stopped.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
No, sure, but but I guess the question. I mean,
like Boom Boom has been there for a long time.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, I mean you look at.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Is right. I guess That's where I'm not saying they're
going to get some kind of militant right my way
or the highway guy. But I do think he you know,
I don't know. I don't want to make too much
out of what he says in a press conference, but.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
I mean, I guess what the guys I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
About what he has to say, right, like, what's I
don't again and again this is all speculation. I don't
know anything about lost the clubhouse. And it's really easy
to take a as you said, this is very in
swamps Yankees, right, like this could be nothing. But it
is also to look at and be like, well, these
guys come out like dead after after a go for
it deadline and they come out flatlining, and like that's

(18:53):
I don't know where else that guy. There's responsibility on
the player's part, but that's also the that's the manager.
It's supposed to be. He's not an x's and o's
guy guy, he's a he's a clubhouse guy. And you know, look,
I have a lot of these I think a lot
of these same issues apply to like Dave Roberts or whatever.
But Dave Roberts also operates consistently under I don't give
a ship about the regular season. And I don't know

(19:14):
that that's true for the Yankees, and I don't know
that it can be true. You know what we're not
mentioning here is they're in third place. Now, they're game
and a half behind the Red Sox.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
They're only what a game up on the Mariners, game
and a half for the third wildcard spot? Half a
game half game.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
And a half a Texas, right, they are. They are
in the second wildcard spot, a half game ahead of Seattle,
who's in the third.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
The problem is that like Texas, could you know, be good.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Stop playing Seattle?

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Well they could, they they could have won three out
of four in that serious but like you know, somebody
who was probably gonna win three out of four mathematically speaking,
I guess they could have split. But yeah, there's still
a lot of season left, right, and the Yankees are
not I think, like Aaron, Judge is still out right, Aaron, I,
but we've pretty supposed.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
To be looks very different when he's back, maybe, But.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Is he back? Is he going to be fully you know?
Is he back in dhing and you're playing Gihn Carlos
Stanton and not playing Ben Rice, like I don't know?

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think they're fine.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I think yeah, I think they will be the second
or third wild card right like I don't do too.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
I think they're gonna make a deep run. Well, you know,
Judge fully back then maybe and if he isn't.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Right when they can shorten their roster, right, the top
fifteen players of the twenty five here twenty six are
still pretty good. And there's no good Like there's no
team that the Yankees would face in the playoffs in
the American League where you're like, oh, they're a huge dog, right, Like,
there's just no good teams in the L. Maybe that's
true in the NL as well. But if they're you know,
if they're the sixty and they're playing Houston, like, Okay,

(20:56):
it's not great, they have to go on the road,
but like whatever, Like they can win that series as now.
They can beat the Red Sox, they can beat the Tigers,
they can beat the Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
I mean I think, look, I think you go back
to the twenty and twenty three World Series run with
Texas and Arizona, and.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Like, I think I think we're gonna see something like
that this year, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
I think that's probably right. Anything can happen when the
team is clicking. You know, if Trent Grisham is still
hitting home runs, they're gonna look really good. If Ben
Rice is still hitting home runs and Aaron Judges in
the line, they're gonna look pretty good if John Carlos Stanton,
as we saw last year's hitting home runs, like they're
gonna look pretty good, but you have you have to
get those performances. And we're not used to or maybe

(21:40):
I don't know. I think a lot of people are
not used to the Yankees having to need that from
a bunch of guys in the lineup rather than the
guys you can count on. And if and if those
guys you can show, then they get the blame.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
The guys you can't actually count like they don't have
that many guys you can count on right now. Either,
that's part of it, right.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Well, and I think that's the adjustment. I think that's
but again, that's like it feels like the Giants right
like a little bit where it's like, yeah, if if
we do four conditionals, things will look great. Yes, well okay.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
And look, somebody one of these twelve teams is going
to hit one of those four conditionals and probably win
a World Series. Yes, you don't necessarily want to bet
on it being being.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
You, Yeah, I do. It feels so hokey kind of
to say, But like they they need they need to
figure out an identity, like they need to figure out
what they are because this is like they are just
a team in the majors. They're a pretty good team

(22:44):
in the majors right now.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, yeah, they're and they they're they've kind of been
passed by the Dodgers. Is like the leggy man at
the league, right And the Dodgers are having their own
issues this year. But the Dodgers having their own issues
and are like fifteen.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Through the prism of being the modern Yankees.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yes, right, and they have a high they just have
a higher ceiling than the Yankees did coming into the
season and they're falling short of it. But I've had
this conversation. We just had it on brought your kids
out there. But like with the Mets, and the Mets
are kind of a slog right now. You know, you
look at this, you look at the stars on this team.
They're getting a lot of like fortieth percentile outcomes from them,

(23:25):
and they saw on pace to win ninety three games
like normally the slog version of the Mets of that
win seventy three games, right yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
So.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Right, yeah, there's that. I mean, this is this is
and the Dodgers. You know, again, I agree with everything
you're saying. And they have a five to eighty win percentage.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Right and look they like the Dodgers pecifically, like they've
gotten spelling glass now back now, it's like at the
right time, we'll see if that they can keep healthy
the right time, Like is pitching, yeah for now, I
mean he left his last game early, but for now,
I just thought that is very high in Cincinnati. Yeah,
this is like the two thousand, like yank usually did

(24:06):
have a run in like the middle of the twenty
tens where they weren't particularly good. Huh So the twenty
fifteen Yankees is an example. They were twelve games over
five hundred, which about this seam was on pace for
They lost the wildcard game to the Astros. I don't know.
I think that was kykl shut them down or something
if I recall. But you look at this like and

(24:29):
this was like they had Mark Tashera, they had a rod,
they had like the last good Carlos Beltran season. They
had a random good greg byrd season. But this is
the same kind of thing, right, Like there were a
lot of like Stephen Drew was bad, Dide Gregorios wasn't
good yet or had been good. It wasn't good anymore.
I don't remember the order of things. They had one

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hundred and six games of Chase Headley, right, Like, this
doesn't feel like one of the last time the Yankees
have actually felt like the Yankees. Right, they won one
hundred games and twenty eighteen lost in the and even
that Kalds to the Red Sox. But then at least
you have fell apart by the end. Yeah, but it's like,

(25:11):
it's Judge, It's Stanton, it's good, Aaron Hicks, it's good
D D. Gregorious, it's the one good Miguel Andahar season
before he went to Oakland. You know, they had a team.
They were but again they were twelve percent better than
league average and pitching and twelve percent better in league
average and hitting.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, I mean twenty nineteen is probably the last, the
last good one.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
You have you have Gary Sanchez three that I'm just
going off our war but Gary Sanchez said three. DJ
Leman who had five, Geo or Schella had just shot
a four. Mike Taukman had a three point nine one
season in twenty nineteen. Yeah, Brett Gardner had four, Aaron
Judge had five and a half.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
You remember post trade, you remember post trade deadline j
A happ like they like they've been got They like
they used to get this right, the Shaun Chacone Aaron Small,
Oh yeah, yeah, like they would get the and they
don't get those anymore either.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean does feel like they've concentrated a
lot of their their It feels like they've been working
on that pitching staff more than the lineup a lot.
You know what I mean. It's it's just been so
much more of a focus on or at least it's
felt like to me on pitching, because you do you
have freed you ever done? You Cole obviously you don't

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have this year. But but he's in there, like they
it does feel.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Like they've been chiming Splitler was not available in trade.
He's untouchable.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (26:33):
One of the things they said, I think, okay, sure
it was like Spencer Jones, Schlitzler and uh George Lombard
or something.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Do we need to do we already talk about Do
we need to talk about h Spencer Jones only being
available for Paul Skins?

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Like, no, we don't.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
That felt like an identity of the Yankees, I understood,
yea Honestly, that felt right to me. Yeah. Bring I
mean it's ridiculous, but bring more of that back, all right.
I feel like like we're just turning, uh spenning our
wheels here a little bit. Let's go to our second segment.
We're going streaking.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
You know, obviously the Yankees just played the Marlins. They've
been on a nice run. The Guardians have been hot
to we don't have it in the dock. But the
Red Sox have won five in a row.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah as well the rest the restax win this division.
I mean I said that in March or whatever, but
they might.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Well, I I wasn't. Look it was a hedge, but
as I said, I didn't have the chance to be
the most complete team. Now they didn't go and do that.
They didn't rest first base. No, they're playing Sate on
Raphaela at second.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Now you're gonna say they're playing on the first, and
I was like, yep, everybody else.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Is everyone else? No, they're going to play Christian Campbell
at first eventually, I think. But they are a pretty
I mean like I say that, but they just traded
for just Dustin May, so I don't know. Yah, hard
for me to get.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
None of these, like, none of these seeds very good.
You could still win this division. God knows.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
The Red Sox are very good. One once every five days.
Crochet pitches and they're a very good team.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
And look they've like Alex Bregman's back.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
I mean, have been fine.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
It is fine.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
You know, it's been good. A brave will your Brady
has been with you.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, they have a good line up. It hits the
pitching that concerns me with the Red Sox. Do you
have anything else you want to say about the Marlins?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Like I guess, it's just like is this is this anything?
Is this the start of something? I guess, but I was,
I was looking into this.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Really hard for me to get there with the Marlins.
If you actually you know identities that are maybe dragging, like.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
You look at the direction, you look at the underlying
day and like Coyle Stowers might just hit two twenty
next year, like his own contact rates still well below average,
hits the ball hard, reasonably hard and in the air,
but like there's nothing here that suggests it's clearly sustainable.
I don't think it'll be bad next year, but I
only go'll be a four to five one player. He's
already like twenty eight and like close do they actually have.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
They're getting twenty five ops from a Roberto Hernandez, Yeah,
which doesn't.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Laires has been fine, but he's been kind of a
Lloyd low obp bad defect.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
He's like, well, so, right, this is the thing, like
if you have if you if you have a one
oh four ops plus from your catcher, that's absolutely fine.
But also he's not. He's the people run wild on him, yeah,
on his arm and and he's not a great framwer so.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
And I think he'll improve enough offensively that he'll be
fine in other places, but for now he's kind of
like fancy Migueli Levo mm hmm. And like the pitch.
The pitching is good, right, it is Cabrera and Pere,
but like Perez and I think at some point they're
going to shut down pres and al Contro unless they
get really close. They're both coming off. Tommy John Cabrera

(29:56):
is both inconsistent and often injured. And I don't know
where the rest of the players are coming from, Like
they don't have they're not going to load up with
that farm system yet next year. Like sometimes you just
have a run.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, yeah, Janson johnk is a two point four fit.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Sure that's not real, but like they're just not Like
Jacob Marci had like a bunch of hits yesterday and
it also has like a six hundred ops I think
even after that.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah yeah, no, I mean it's nice. It's like good
for baseball to be designed away with the Marlin's gonna
go five hundred for the better part of the year, right,
Like this is a nice feature of the sport that
you can have your your doom teams just look confident
for a while, just enough to get everyone's hopes up
a little bit, just.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Like outside of stours, Like they don't have a single
hitter with a OPS plus over like a regular over
yeah yeah, and they traded one of them, which is
Hazy Sanchez.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Like the pitching has been again, they're they have a
ninety six uh ops plus and a one on one
e r A plus. This is just like what they are.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
I think.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
It's like it's a nice little bullpen, right, so I
think they're probably winning some games late. But yeah, like
what are you gonna get from Max Meyer? What are
you gonna get from Jensen Chunk? I guess like they
don't have the upper I.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Mean, and again I don't.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I'm not really buying the.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Fifty eight good innings from Valente Bayozo.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Well I was gonna say, I'm not really buying the
top line performance from a lot of these relievers. But
I guess this is a little bit what you go
why you have Peter Bendix to some degree, like this
is what Tampa does, Like they just build a bullpen
that that functions. But like, I don't know, you look
if you just want to look in the FIP column. Yeah,
the best.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
FIP of any of these relievers is three four. Yeah,
like the regular.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Relievers should outperform f IP because there should be contact suppression.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, but like Valenteo has a six and a half
strikeout per Kid Gibson has a six and a half
strikeouts per nine. Sure you know, Hey, yeah, I don't know.
I like Calvin Prochet Missus bats running in Rika's Missus
bats like, but missus bats. But that's about it, right.

(32:23):
Tyler Phillips has thrown fifty six and has a three
eighteen e RA and strikes out six per nun.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah you know, and like look you can Yeah, I
don't they're not going to I don't think they're going
to significantly supplement in the free agent market this offseason.
I think they're more likely to trade one of these
starters because I think they're still like they just don't like,
they have a lot of guys in the system now,
but they're not really upper miners guys and they're not
really dudes.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Well here's here's the other part of this. One of
the other reasons you hire Peter Bendix is not to
get fooled by a five hundred season. Sure, if they
and the I don't know that they will, but if
they end the year at five hundred and a few
games out of a playoff spot, I think Peter Bendix
will look at this roster and say, that's not going
to stop me from trading Sandy al Contra if I can.

(33:10):
It's not going to stop me from trading Edward Cabrera
if I get the right deal. Right, Like, this is
this is not a look, this is not a roster
even in the twelve team playoff era like that is
built to do that. It's not. And like I even

(33:31):
think I know they've obviously been much better, but again
we've talked about like the Nationals should probably go for it, Like,
I don't the Marlins, I don't know. They don't have
that collection of guys that they need to move on
all at once.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
To me, right, this is like a multi year like, look,
they should start, they start.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
But I don't think you need to. I don't think
signing Alex Bregman is going to help them that much,
you know what I mean, they won't never, but that's
not even theoretically. The Guardians, as I mentioned, been been
hot as well.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, sixteen and well they were sixteen and six and
lost yesterday, So sixteen and seven in their last you
know them in the Royals both, Yeah, they're like right,
like they're suddenly like right, they're ish.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Ish Where is there exactly?

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Though, because three and a half to three games in
in a normal.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Season, they'd be they'd be able to sit there and think, oh,
maybe we can make a run at the al central.
Like I don't, no, not the central.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
It's a while.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
I mean, they're no, I know, like normally they'd be
able to say, okay, well the central is a better pass.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Just built too much of a right, you know, too
much patent in this year for them to do anything
but I don't know. I'm not I'm not believing.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
In I mean, like I would I would you be
shocked if one of the teams not in the AL
wild card spot right now ends up in an al
car wildcard spot by the end of the No, I
don't have to do me the Guardian kind I.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Kind of would you thank you fair enough? Other than Texas,
I feel like I'm starting to feel like we have
one playoff battle left the National League. I kind of
starting to see like the NL wild card has stratified
real quickly. Yes, the red you know, the Potteries are
four up, and they're four up over the Reds, right,

(35:22):
and the Giants have given up, and the Marlins and
the Marlins and the Cardinals. We don't talk about the Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Well there's a reason for that. But I think that
there's some interest like the division races obviously in the NL,
like the seating the buys are still in play, but
those are probably the sex playoff teams.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah, yeah, I like Texas to make a run. I
think Texas is interesting enough to be you know, we're.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Actually getting like a ninety eighty nine win eighty eight
when als and some order, I get aren't we or something?

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yeah, probably, Yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
May not even be ninety eighty ninety eight. It might
be like eighty eight, eighty seven, eighty six this time.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
But but yeah, I could also envision a point where
we start on you know, we get to September first,
and and everything's pretty much done right, Like there's a
there's a four or five game game, which is not good.
I don't want that, but I'm starting to look that way.
The Reds, I don't know. I have hard time of
the Reds. The Reds aren't bad. No, they're not patching staff,

(36:20):
but like, I don't know, I I think it's just
they need to get hitters hot that I can't see
both getting hot.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I think that had a nice little run. They want
some games, and that's like kind of all it took
to the Red don't feel like a team that's going
to run someone down.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Randy Basquez is off the roster, like the Potter is,
like of the by their deadline. There were a few
cathartic things, and the one is that they released Martine
Meldonado and the second is they demoted Randy Basquez. You're like, Okay,
maybe maybe they've got something, but.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
It's a different problem, credible major league starter.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
At some point, you just wanted to see a different problem.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
I don't know. I'm not I'm not. I think I
generally agree with you, but I will say, like the Reds,
the Reds pitching is is good to go on a run.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, I guess they're hitting is bad enough to prevent anything.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
I am aware of that, But like they, I don't
think it's it's out of the question. And I don't
think again, I think the Padres did a great job.
I think they probably did the best job of any
any team at the deadline in terms of just plugging
all the holes. But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
It.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
A bad run from them wouldn't shock me either. I
suppose now getting both of those things, that's that's that's
a big ask. Speaking of some big asks. Shall we
go to our third segment? Yeah, we're sending into madness.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
We don't usually break down like individual series and talk
about them, but man, like, there's just so many, so
much to discuss from the Pirate's Rocky series this weekend,
So we don't get these We don't really get these
Corey series anymore, right, like they just because the Rockies.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
A lot of big twelve plus run games this week
this weekend in general, like did them they'll be roll
out the new balls, like I don't just I don't know.
This was uh well, I mean the Pirates blew leads
of what five nothing and eight nothing? Is that?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Five nothing? Eight one?

Speaker 1 (38:47):
That was nine oh?

Speaker 3 (38:48):
And also it was fifteen six.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Warming Bernabella is the best hitter in baseball apparently. Yeah,
I think the over Paguero hit three home runs in
one of these games, that's true. They lost going to
the game they lost, yeah, yep, uh and then Paul
Skeen's like even got cors a little bit in game
two there, like pitch fine, he gave up some some

(39:16):
home runs. Warming Vernabell four thirty eight, four fifty five,
nine oh six in eight games. He is already by
Baseball Reference war been the let's see, where is he
the sixth most valuable Rocky this year?

Speaker 3 (39:31):
The little surprising it's that low given from last year.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, I mean, like they have, like obviously their lineup
has mostly stayed healthy, so you've got a lot of
guys that are like around one win.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yeah, it's still surprising it's that high.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, I mean, like you got one hundred good men obviously,
who's having a nice year. Second is Jimmy Hurget. Yeah,
because if you have a reliever in of course who
looks a low era. Yeah, he's got a two point
nine one era in course, and he's pitched a fair bit.
And then it's then it's a lot of people around

(40:11):
like Ryan McMahon's one point three. I mean, I guess
you would expect Bernabelle to pass him, but also like
maybe not. I don't know if I.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Do not expect, does it have a lot to do
to get there? You're saying he's going to be positive
going forward?

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Is your I think it will be positive going forward?

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
I do think that. But Jordan Beckett one in Tovar
who actually has missed most of the season at one
point one but otherwise having the Ezekill Tovar season in miniature,
basically I.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Like that among them, is not Nicki Moniac despite the
fact that he has the he's one point behind best
ops on the team.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yes, the only question about minckem Moniac is how big
of an extension they're going to sign him.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
God, he's got to be like, how much service time
does he have at this point, it feels like he's played.
It's one where he doesn't like played a bunch of
whole seasons.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Three point h two seven is where he is are
eligible next He's in year two of our next year.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, yeah, So the Rockies, in case you're winning after
this weekend, they are on pace to win forty four
games or forty three point seven. So if you went
round down forty three games, so they're out of the
White Sox Zonne they are.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
They're gonna win like in one sense, right, They're gonna
win like forty six games, and it's one of the
worst seasons of all time, and no one is going
to really care because of the White Sox last year, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Also last year the White Sox, I know everyone loves this. Yeah,
the White Sox had a run differential of negative three
hundred and six. This year, the Rockies already have a
negative two hundred and seventy seven, so they only have
thirty to go. They are the Rockies run talk that improvement.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
The White Sox all right, only minus sixty three, I know.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah, the White Socks have just been like a regular
one hundred lost team this year.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
They have they have the fourth worst run differential in
the American League. They have a better run differential than
the Angels for negative four hundred and four, which I'm
not sure has ever happened. If it has happened, happened
in when you don't think the record, I think they
could still.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
They could still Like they're very capable. I feel like
they're like, I mean, they're capable the Yeah, I mean
they're capable of going like one in twelve in their
next thirteen games or whatever, right and getting back under that.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
They did actually trade some players this time.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
But they replaced Ryan McMahon with someone that's been almost
as valuable as Ryan McMahon in eight games, So that's true.
I don't like it's you shouldn't care about a Rockies
Pirate series in August pretty much any year, but especially
this year. But it is nice to just kind of
be like, yeah, like in its weird baseball can still happen.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
The thing is that most baseball is Rockies Pirates baseball,
and we pretend it isn't. You get you follow.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Your you're doing what to watch exactly? I will say
we're not doing what to watch. But the Mets are
playing the Guardians this week, and that feels to me
like a series. It just shouldn't happen, like those two
teams should not play each other. Yeahs, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
I think that that. Most of the time, you think
your team is better than you think your team is
above Rockies Pirates, and then you look back at the
end of the year and go, oh no, this was
exactly the same. This this. We were doing this the
whole time. We just didn't realize it. How many, how many,
how many bats and how many pitches in our lives

(43:49):
have actually been Ryan Rolson pitches And we just didn't realize. Yeah,
that's what we were looking at. We got our friend
Brax and Fulford back up.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah again, those are just two British soccer teams. I like,
that's that's a match coming up on a Thursday. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah, don't talk to me about British soccer right now.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
I won't.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Don't worry.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I didn't think you would.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Now are we done with the Rockies and Pirates? Are
the Rockies and Pirates done with us?

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, all right, let's take a break and we'll come
back with the rest of the show. Welcome back to

(44:50):
episode four hundred and eighty of five and dive. We
are on our fourth segment and going around the horn.
We'll start with a game to.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
For I'm sorry, but this didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
It didn't.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
It didn't. I didn't hear about it before the weekend,
and I wouldn't. I did not know. I did not see.
I did not know about this.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Game going on.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
That's what I was not around for it, and then
afterwards there was nothing to read about it. It just didn't.
It doesn't have this.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
What we're talking about is the Bristol the Speedway Classic
or whatever classic.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah, yeah, Bristol Speedway whatever. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Reds and Braves attempted to play in a monsoon.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
It's someone that's been to the Tri Cities area of
Tennessee a lot in July and August. I can tell
you that does happen. If I was out there for
a week, I hope to get four games in.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah, it is. Uh, it was a monsoon. They started
the game. I advised, Uh, Chase Burns got an inniut
they got an Innian out of the Chase Burns. They
then had.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
By the way, it was, it.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Was also just a disaster from what I saw about
people posting who went to the games. I mean just
like they did build in a pillow of an off day.
But also this was both these teams traveling to this
game for one night suppose supposed to be one night.
They played the next day and did get the game in,
but you know, they were trying to fill the Bristol Speedway.

(46:32):
Then you're trying to get fans back to it. It's it,
you know, fans are probably I'm sure people flew some
people flew in and out or whatever, and so like
their their playing or drove along, you know whatever the
point is, Like people have plan you know, they're supposed
to get back on the road. Yeah, I don't know.

(46:57):
It's uh, how do you feel about these? I these
kind of like one off games that they're doing. Obviously
they had done. This is like this year's Field of
Dreams slash Rick Wood. Yeah, game where they're doing a

(47:18):
one off specialty thing. You know, I don't know it
worked for the NHL, who have just been playing hockey
games in baseball stadiums for for years now? Is it?

Speaker 3 (47:32):
People?

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Is it that bad an idea?

Speaker 3 (47:36):
No?

Speaker 2 (47:36):
I mean they wanted to like they wanted to break
the single game attendance record, which they technically did. I
suppose I like the pictures I saw. I didn't watch
any of that. I was gonna throw it on Saturday
night when the delayed start the kid was in bed.
I'm like, all right, I'll throw it on and then
obviously they didn't play.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
So I'm gonna be honest, It's not real special to
me until they actually have both sporting events happening at
the same time, when there is actual racing going on
around the would be it would be yeah, that would
be cool. Uh they should have like, you know, play
the play of the baseball game on the aircraft carrier,

(48:15):
but have have like a yacht race around it, and
so you have to track both of them the same
time until then, Like what this is essentially like in
a video game where they just like basically create a
new uh, like a new you can you can buy
a new for DLC. It feels like the DLC of
baseball is what it is. Pay an extra dollars ninety

(48:36):
nine and you can have a new skin for your stadium.
You can more than that. I thought, yeah, all right,
fair enough, but yeah, like this it doesn't work for me.
I don't I don't mind it.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Fortnite mode, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
I don't mind it, but it doesn't have to be
for me. It just doesn't like the background, and I
think it's much more important and interesting to the people
who are there's an experience for being there. Sure, like
I am, you know, I get tired of the same stadium.
Yeah no, yeah, there's only one stadium near me. And
you know it's fine.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Look, I was not planning on watching it. I didn't
really care, Like I don't care about it as a
you know, as far as non novel novel concepts go,
kind of you know what I mean, Like, this isn't
original as a thing, like let's try a new thing.
But okay, playing playing the race, you know, sure, playing
a speedway, I guess, sure, Yeah, fine, isn't that like

(49:33):
people do this on MLB the show or whatever. They
just do it if there's a different background to give.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
The Fox give you a primetime showcase game, right fine.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Now, the Braves and Reds.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Look, I think at the beginning of the season that
looked like that it would better than it was gonna
end up being like if the Braves were ten games
over right now and they picked the Reds because I
guess they're their closest league team.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
But the Reds also have to play in the corn
One year, didn't they.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
No, that was the White Sox and Yankees. Wasn't it game?

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yes, But the next year it was the Cubs and the.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Cubs and the Rats. You're right, we still got the
little those Mets Mariners in the little League.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, they do the world period time.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
That's not And again, like I think.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
This is I don't mean, look, I don't carve special
time out on my calendar. Just sit down and watch those.
I think it's fine. I've seen a lot of kind
of negativity because I think this, this doesn't work out well.
And I understand that. I think in general, these are
good swings to take. Let's say, sometimes you miss, right.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Well, it's going to take them. So this is as
good as any for the Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Well, and and to just point like if you get
special attention from the broadcaster and stuff, I think that's
that's all for the benefit of uh yeah, you know,
bringing attention to the.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Right like the same thing. It is the same thing
with like then New Year's hockey game, right, they get.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
No one is no one going overseas this year.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
I don't I know next year. I thought next year
they were doing talking about like Paris and San Juan
for next year.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
I think, well, they've done England.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I don't think. I guess there's in New Mexico series
this year. If there's a they haven't done a very
good job of promoting it. If it's escaped to all
three of our attentions, right.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yeah, No, But again I think these are all again,
just good swings to take, even if you're gonna come
up empty. Sometimes I think this was this was a
little bit of a miss, But I don't think it's
a bad idea to do.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
It's a little weird to do it, Like I guess
again they want to there's only so many facilities. I guess,
like you can't put it in a football stadium because
the dimensions don't work. But like they were able to
put it inside the oval or whatever they.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Yeah, it's more of a challenge for football games in
baseball stadiums they can't do. Yeah, I guess, yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Well, I guess that's true. You could, just I don't
know if the football is like the modern those those
stadiums were built to be football and baseball stadium. So
for the most part, I don't none of those still
really exist. I don't think as far as I I.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Think we can play one game on a field that
clearly isn't long, you know, far enough in the field,
like I mean.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Again, like the Dodgers, obviously you just got to do
the big wall.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
I mean, yeah, you got it. I wanted to put
like a crazy field insaye, like an F one track
like Monza or something.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
So the right deal of just gets lost, all right.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I don't have a transition. I guess it's another NL
Central team involved here, but the Jacob Misrawski and then it's
on the I L he got hit with a comebacker
from Saya Suzuki. He kept pitching in that game, but
he's on the ale with a tibia contusion. Doesn't sound
all that serious, and all things considered, if you're gonna
have your star, uh, you know, feeding on pitcher Land

(52:47):
on the I L probably better with a leg bruise
than anything arm related or back related or I don't
know anything else. Uh, Tanner Hawk has been out in
portion of the year already. He's getting t J We
got another Boston we tried.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
I did not see this Jeffrey was pretty hard on
Joe Ryan and the Twins were not interested in two
of their top three.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
So there was a little bit of discussion in in this.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
I don't we didn't.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
There's a little bit of discussion in this with with
the BP slack and touched on at the trade deadline.
But like if if the Twins aren't moving Joe Ryan,
like what is you know, if we're asking what are
the Yankees?

Speaker 2 (53:35):
What are the Twins?

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Yeah, but I think they just wanted they wanted a
better deal than they got.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
I don't think they're gonna get they trade them. I
don't think they're beating they wanted Garcia, Like, I don't
think they are.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
What was the offer?

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah, two of Peyton totally, just Nixon and just thinkson
I don't know, and Franklin Arius.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
It's not bad.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I mean, yeah, we had Aris and totally on the
top fifty and we probably under ranks totally in all.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
That.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
No, you just have one a long guy, like I
don't love the contact rate combined with the defensive profile.
But it's got some juice like yeah top one on
one yeah yeah, like eighties sure.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah, which you know just is not far off from
a fifty.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
No, it isn't really, especially not this year. He was
he was on the long list. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
don't know what the Twins are are doing exactly. This
is probably their best chance to really really like they
they'll look. They'll also get a haul for Joe Ryan
in the off season, but I don't think the Red

(54:47):
Sox will pout the same package on the table because
the Red Sox has a lot of information about where
they are as a team right now for twenty twenty five.
They don't have it for twenty twenty six yet. Like
those that upgrade from Marker Bueller, I guess we help technically.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Well how how spin out?

Speaker 2 (55:04):
So I don't even know who their fifth starter is
right now, would be ber So. The upgrade from Bueler
to Joe Ryan for those starts is massive.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yeah, but they'll have you know, Patrick Sandibal back at
that point.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Well he's not going to pitch this year apparently when.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
It comes time to pick up Joe Ryan, you've got
Patrick Sandabal home.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Elsewhere. We immediately got Speaking of the Twins, yeah, Erasmo.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Ramirez, Yes, they traded all their relievers, so they had
to call he.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Bailed them out.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
He did.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
You gotta save because someone who uh, I'm trying to
remember who started that.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Who's close Michael?

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Oh yeah, Michael started that.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Ran into trouble, I believe, gave up two runs.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
And yeah, and they brought a time yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah, and got the.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Safe Why did the White Hot Guardians?

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Jose Ring has not pitched yep for the Twins.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
He's starting today. I think okay, he's starting today. Yeah,
all right.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
In Sadder podcast Favorite news, yeah, h nobile chrism has
been released.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah, the Philly's had to add a bunch of their draftees.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
To their Yeah, this is.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
One claimed like, look, there's some team out there the
Twins could use, rightly starting over Jose Urania frankly, but
there's teams that traded a bunch of relievers. Right, there's
the Twins, there's the Giants. Putting bil Chrismot in that
stadium probably would be good for him.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Yeah, oh my god, Chris back, Oh yeah, yeah, that
would be heaven. Uh. Non non podcast Favorite also released.
Let me preface it, Patrick, please, I don't I don't
want to lump that then.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Like ninety three apparently, so.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Yeah, he two starts in Charlotte didn't didn't go great
and goodbye.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Speaking of goodbye, we have one more segment before we
say goodbye. Is the game Patrick?

Speaker 3 (57:14):
All right, So I'm I'm gonna be honest with you
about this one. Look, it was. It was a tough weekend.
I was tired. I was very tired. And when I
started to do the grid, and what I will do
is I will do the grid first myself to make
sure that I, you know, to see how I do
and to see where I am. And I was so

(57:36):
emotionally drained and tired from this weekend that I looked
at it and I did terribly. I got two out
of a knife. Good. Great. So I don't think it's
as hard as that. I think I was just just
not doing well. But we'll find out that is not complicated,
not a horrible series. So all right, we're gonna have

(57:58):
what I'm going to ask you to do since I
got to it, and try to go fast. But Craig,
you're gonna go first, try and go fast. Yeah, all right,
it's in the chat. Our categories are on the vertical
columns Baltimore Orioles, Chicago, White Sox, and San Diego Padres

(58:19):
on the Rose. It is the Cincinnati Reds, Philadelphia Phillies
in San Francisco Giants.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Oh my god, my brain is already stalling out. The
fan in my brain just kicked on at Reds and Orioles.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Reds and Oriols was one of the ones I actually
felt like I should have gotten. But go ahead, Reds
and Oriols.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Oh god, I.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
I had actually, Now that I think about it, I
have a good guess for this category, but I don't
think it's true.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Can I pass?

Speaker 3 (58:51):
You can pass and come back to it.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
That's not There's someone that I should but it's not.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Yeah, all right, so Reds and White Sox.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Reds and White Sox, Adam.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Dunn, Okay, Reds and Padres.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Reds and Padres. I have an immediate one, But what's
what's like a longer.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
I'm not gonna lie. I'm shocked by the one that
got the answered for this one. Shocked wow for the
true answer.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Hmmm.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna start giving you
the percentages on these. I think to give you a
hint for when you shouldn't be looking for someone too
hard for the Reds and Orioles. It was thirty four
percent for the Reds and White Sox. It was twenty
six percent for the Reds and Padres. It is seven percent.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
That's the top one.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
That is the top one.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Well, I mean, I really don't know, but I'll just
say Nick Martinez. I mean fine, Okay, Nick Martinez could
get seven percent.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
He could good and didn't, but he could Philly's and Orioles. Thanks, Yeah,
Philly's and Orioles fourteen percent.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
There should be a lot of a lot of crossover.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Here if yeah, they should be.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
And and I'm I mean like they've they've made a
bunch of trades recently. But I'm struggling to think of
like a big, a big name. I guess I'll just
say can I now here's the real question. Can When
I come back, can I say Austin Hayes for both?

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
You cannot? You have to pick one to A's or
the Orioles on Froston.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Ai, Okay, Phillies and Orioles. I really there should be
should be a bit I'm gonna say Austin Hans. I
don't know, Okay, I.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Answered, uh, Phillies and White Sox.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Oh, I don't twenty seven percent. Oh, Jim tell me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Okay, Uh, Phillies and padres twenty nine percent, boy with
chart on this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
One, Billy's and really hm hmm, I don't oh god
is the reds and no, okay, Billy's and padres don't this?

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
This is uh yea's surprisingly difficult.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Yeah, I'm uh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
This is one of the categories I did the worst
I got.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I'm really struggling with a phillity and a pattery crossover.
I don't know. I think I'm taking too long.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Patrick, orioles and giants, orioles and giants, let's do you Stremski,
I don't know. That's okay, sure, that's not white sox
and giants, white socks and let's also do this is

(01:01:50):
a twelve percent white socks and giants. That's twelve for
That's pretty low, right, that's pretty low. Oh, these are
pretty low, Like there are no there are no obvious
ones white sox and giants. Aaron rowaned, okay, good? Uh,
pod raising giants. This one upsets me because it's only
thirteen percent. You'd think there would be a million crossovers

(01:02:12):
between the pod raising giants. I feel like there's a
million crossovers. Maybe it's because there are a million and
nobody could pick one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Yeahs Giants, that's a that's a I don't do it.
Was this Steve Finley played for everyone? And then yeah,
this is not good for me. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
The back to the Orioles and Reds. Thirty thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
That's pretty high.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
That's pretty this is the highest category.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
What am I missing? I got some feel I feel real, Tom,
aren't I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
I don't know? I yeah, I felt bad on this one.
I felt bad. This is one of the few that
I really felt like I it to god?

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Is it an old older player? That's no, I can't
do that. Uh, Orioles and red Yeah, I don't. I
don't no.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
This whole category, I feel like this Today's grid is
about players who are not known for either of the
teams that they are on the grid for.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
I will say, I'm just gonna have to eat it.
I'm sorry, I'm taking.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Too long, all right, Jeff, your turn. Craig has set
the bar at one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Okay, but I was not quick for one either.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Yeah, all right, So I'm gonna what I'm gonna do.
As I was telling Craig, We're gonna give you the
percentage on each one so you know which ones to
not worry about too much. The first one is Reds
and Orioles thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Four percent Orioles, Frank Robinson.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
White socks and reds twenty six percent.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
White socks and reds white socks. It seems like I
feel like they would have a lot of overlap in players,
but not in players that like were traded or just.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Like yeah they pick up yeah, white socks and reds.
The rights are bad for this category in general. They
don't tend to like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
You yeahs, I don't pass.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
I don't know reds and Padres seven. When I saw
the name on this one, I lost my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
I'll just go recency bias. Is that Nick Martinez, you
don't have good guess?

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
It's not the good guess. Orioles and Phillies six percent,
sorry fourteen phillies.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
I think there's a lot of overlap hair, but like
it's not. There's a lot of guys that feel like
they should have played for both but didn't actually play
for both.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I think, well, they're like close to each other.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
I yeah, like that's a lot like reliever over Craig Kimberl.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
White Sox and Phillies twenty Dick Allen, good one, Padre's
phillies twenty nine percent.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Andre's another one that mn Freddy galviaz. That's two long
high for Freddy Gal.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Maybe maybe not twenty nine percent. Yeah, Orioles and Giants
seventeen percent Orioles and Giants.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Uh aals same color scheme too, It's like throwing me off. Yeah,
Kevin Gosman, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Good, White Sox and Giants. This one was twelve percent
A J. Pearson Ski all right, congratulations Jeph on your win.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
It was a.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Didn't even know he played a little.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Finally, finally we have one more category, despite the thank you,
clinched it. Padres and Giants thirteen percent Padre.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Sorry, the white Sox and Giants was who a j.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Famous I have already forgotten. Okay, you might give that one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Giants and Padres.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
You said giants and padres. This one it feels like
there are a million. Maybe it's because there are a million,
and that's why no, I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Said Aaron Rowans.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Oh, he said, Aaron, Yeah, yeah, good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
That's a good pull, uh in.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
The game where you're not trying to make good pulls.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Yeah, Benito Santiago.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
That's a good one, and I thought of that after Yeah, okay,
so congratulations to Jeff. You've tied me with two.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
So the answers, uh, and then I'll give you mine. Yeah,
Orioles and Reds a Frank Robinson. I picked Austin Hayes
for this one. I don't. I felt bad about missing
Frank Robinson. White Sox and Reds is can Griffey Jr.
Good job than that one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
I don't like. I know he played for them, Yeah,
White Sox, but also like, come on, Reds and pod Rays.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
It is Will Myers. It's like recently, you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Guys, I would have said, n't know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
He didn't wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
The one I got was not not I'm done because
it was kenkar viagr. Wow, it was a good gues.
I thought Adam Dunn.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Was a Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
I thought that's a good guy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Yep. Will Myers seven percent.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
I bet.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
I guess Matt Latto's and I got six percent. So
I category, uh, Phillies and Orioles is Kurt Shilling. I
did also, Yeah, Kimber had nine percent. It was closed.
Jim Tommy makes more sense than Allen. I guess you know,
Dick Allen also makes sense, like that's a good one.

(01:07:46):
Pod Rais and Phillies. I guess Nick Veta, but I'm
sorry that was it was Jim Tommy. Sorry ye Jim Tummy.
Uh pod Rais and Phillies. Uh, I guess Nick Veda,
which is two percent, even though he is currently playing
for one of those two teams. Uh, Nick, that is
so for gettable.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Do you remember, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
I didn't even get an answer for this one.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Yeah, this is John Crock who was a rookie.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
I already forgot what I said.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
He came up. Oh, I did not know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
He played for the Potterish for like three or four
years before he moved to Philadelphia. Uh, Orioles and Giants.
The answer was Will Clark was seventeen percent. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
You know Will Clark was.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
A free agent for the Oriols and he played there
for like four years.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Yeah, I just don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
I think he was fine there. He's just yeah. I
picked Kevin Gosman as well. Uh, White Sox and Giants.
I picked my talk then. I don't know why I
was tired. It is a j Piersonski and lastly Pottery's Giants. Uh,
Jake p D thirteen percent. Yeah, I like, I like,
I went with williamccavey who got ten.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
So that's that's embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Yeah, no, no, it's not. It's not embarrassing to not
think of Jake pd.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Like as a giant specifically.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. He was on one of those two
he was he was like, I know, he played, he
had won, he won one of the World Series, but
if he won.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
The only.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Was he also pres White Sox guy. Yeah, I was
one of the categories.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Here's the embarrassing. Here's the embarrassing part of that is
that they constantly run on MLB TV, like the interstitial
ads about like the Inside Stitch or whatever it's called,
some awful show that appears to be about I don't
know if it's just on the web or if I
don't know, but like about guys. It's just guys talking
about their jerseys, and Jake PV is it's like three people.

(01:09:38):
It's Yonder Alonso, uh, it's Adam Outavino, and it's Jake
p D. And Jake PV is the only one who
doesn't feel like he's there at gunpoint, but he's holding
up different jerseys and talking about them so like I
see it, and that's.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Here's the answer. Craig, please remember me. You did not
you did not remember?

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Yeah, exactly, all right. Well, thank you for the game.
That was a rough one.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
That was Sorry, I thought it was gonna be rough.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
No, it's okay. I have nothing you can do it.
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