Five and Dive, Episode 484: Can You Nabilieve It? (Yes, you can)

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to episode four eighty four of five and Dive.
It is Monday, August eighteenth. I am your host, Great Goldstein,
joined as usual by Patrick Dubuke and Jeffrey pattern Nostro.
Johnathan Howard is your weekend? Don't all speak at once? Well,
I was saving it.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm going to be on a boat in two hours,
so you'll be mentioned starting off. Yeah, imagine, imagine being
on the water instead of being on land. Think of
the thrill that ever provide. I will we will travel
it speeds of upwards at thirty miles per hour. Okay,
how many knots is that? I have no idea. I
don't know if we're going to be on the lee
weird side of the wombor side. But no, it'll be fun.

(00:52):
This is my one year at my annual get away
to my wife's family's house.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
And so what kind of boat we talk? Are we
talking like a little schooner, like a yacht?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
It is, it's definitely a yacht. He's got a super yacht.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Little outboard is outboard inboard cadamaran.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
It's a sloop.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Boats here. Yeah, we're we're the beautiful boaters. Yeah, there's
an that's that's that's the important party. Some wakeboarding.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah no, I tried wakeboarding once. I could not stand up.
I failed. Uh, dark time in my history, my only bit.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
I have a little bit of banter where I'm going
to sound like an extremely old man, and for that
I want people to understand I recognize that. But as
I mentioned on the last spot, I was going to
see a movie this weekend or likely to.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
We managed to do that. I saw The Naked Gun. Yeah, boot,
I guess. I don't know what you call it. Is
it sequel? I don't. I don't know reboot.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
I think probably remake.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
It's like it's technically a sequel. Isn't he his son
or somebody? Yeah, it's not. That's why I wasn't sure.
Yeah it was. You know, it was fine. I enjoyed it.
It's very silly, very you know.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
It is a garage of stupid jokes, and that's you
know what, you know what you're getting.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
My complaint is not about the movie. It is about
walking into the movie theater and seeing that a large
popcorn and a large drink cost what do you I mean?

Speaker 3 (02:26):
I didn't I thought about I was running late to
my movies.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Actually, he did not. I did not partake to this.
I want to know you.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Actually like buy it ahead of time in their app,
which I didn't do. But I didn't get an app.
But like I'm gonna, I didn't get it, so I didn't.
I didn't even look, so I don't have like a
I'm flying blind here. I' gonna say twenty two dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Oh, I'm going to take the over on that easily.
Think honestly, it's under that still eighteen dollars worn and
the drink popcorn and one drink. Oh wow, man, Well
that's that's cheaper than the word is out here.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Okay, I was going to get like a hurricane eight
plus tax.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
What is I like? Are movie theaters airports?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Now they're not making money on like the movies anymore.
So they've always been essentially in the food and beverage business.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Sure that it is. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Popcorn is one of the cheapest things to get, and
it's a fountain drink.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
They cost some no money. Yeah, to have the margins
on eighteen dollars for one drink and a popcorn have
to be absolutely bananous. Yeah, but you're discounting the vibes like,
you go to the movie and this are fornsic. It's like,
you know you're gonna go to a baseball game and
not gas on the vibes.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Every body I went to that it's harsh in my vibes.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
So we welcome to twenty twenty five. That's literally a
complaint that I have.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
I mean, I went to the grocery show this weekend
and a regular bag of toastedos with seven dollars and
twenty five cents. Yeah, so, how cheap is that popcorn? Actually, well,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Know, it's theos have at least I have a little
hef to them, right, like the the bag of chips.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
And the funny thing is, I went, I'm like, I'm
not paying seven. I needed tortilla chips, so I like
snacking on tortilla chips. Who doesn't. I'm like, I'm not
paink Like usually I'll just get tostedos if they're on
sale whatever, and I know they're more expensive than the
other I'm a dip guy, like a little CaCO.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, okay, I.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Like humus baby, But anyway, I just walked down for
the ale on. They had other tortilla chips for like
half as much. But then I looked I happened to
look at it. I'm like, oh, who makes these? It's
really just Freedo Lay who also own tostedos.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
They go, you got they don't. They don't.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
I don't know if they're made in the same fact,
they taste, their texture is different. They're good. I don't
mind them. They're a little bit thicker than the regular tostitos.
But like, what is your point of that? Like, how
is it just the bran just branding? Right?

Speaker 2 (05:00):
No, well you gotta this is you're you're looking at
the sweet level jefs now like you.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
They got to pay the they got to pay the
sponsorship for the festival, right right.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
And and what it's gonna be just these plembing lines
from game night. I don't know how this could be
profitable for the Freedo La company, Yeah, corporation or whatever
what you gotta do. At some point it will be
a status symbol. You'll have the actual bag. Yeah, it
will be just like it's.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Carry around a bottle of Pappy van Winkle bourbon. I
just carry around the empty bottle. They carry on the
empty Friedo's bag.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yep, there you go.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
What it'll be like we talk about it was like
your a full can of coke or whatever. It's better
if you have a full uh Cistito's bag. Be telling
that at like the swap meet in uh in twenty years.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
All right, I'm just going to tell you I'm looking
at a thirty two ounce bag of whole grain popping
porn the kernels.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Okay, yeah, two eight Okay, I mean you can the
margins are excellent. You could be getting that.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
That's like how much that's that's about right, It's what
I'm sure they I'm sure it's cheaper for them because
they buy it in bulk. You want your food costs
to be like twenty to thirty percent, right, I.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Don't know a restaurant.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, I've watched Bar Rescue.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
You're farther than I am. Yeah, shut it down. My
parents owned My parents owned the subway when I was fourteen.
That's the extent of mind. Actually, you're much closer. Say
what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (06:30):
That was before they had to bring in the deli
slice or the slice to eat fresh.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Okay, so you're saying ten bucks for the for the popcorn,
and it's eight dollars for a a but the whole
point of this is the package deal. There's supposed to
be a discount on that.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Oh you want the combo price, Yes.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
The combo was made dollars. Yeah, they don't. Actually, they
weren't actually made the combos. They don't actually make the
combos cheaper than buying them separately anymore. That's another thing.
They see your expectations. You want, you want the convenience
of having your popcorn anisode. At the same time, you
should pay a little war for that convenience. Anyway, I

(07:10):
know this is a trend for for decades now. I'm aware.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I know the ticket was eighteen dollars also, which is
insane to me, but I know it's just what it is.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
I understand for a popular new release that you're yeah,
I had accepted that.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
I thought this is what it costs. Fine, I just
I was like, when did the movie theater become airport pricing?

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I think it's been a while, Like, really, it's.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Been a while.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, this is my third movie in five years.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah. What I will say, Craig is at least you
spent that money on a good movie, as opposed to
Jurassic Park Rebirth, which is what I spent my movie money,
but I might have had as much as much fun.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
How are they still making movies?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Like, I don't know, is it is it?

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Are they doing the same thing as is like Spider
Man for a while when they literally just had to
make one five years to retain.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
In order to keep it. No, I think I think
the electual property they took a legitimate swing at this. Okay,
like they were they were they were like, you know,
and this is as close to like a normal B
movie as movies get. Now, this is what we get
instead of you know.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Like Roger Forman like me, like even Naked Gun is right,
like it's like a middle brow, middle budget comedy, like
they don't Yeah, that's what of those Apparently they're making
another scary movie. They're rebooting that.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I like I thought Naked Gun was was enjoyable, but
what it didn't like But.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Like that's fine though, do just to be like a
lot of the movies that.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I'll tell you in another fit of old man uh peak.
I think my favorite part was that it was like
just under ninety minutes.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yes again that you they do? You know, he's like
ninety to one hundred and ten minute whatever movies. Yeah, yeah,
I was so excited, was just so happy. When I
saw kish Churst, I was clouded. Like the Janis film's
logo came up. Yeah that was really takes me back.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah yeah, I got that one too, and I was like, yeah,
all right, shall we get to the show?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
I saw my Banta Oh god, yeah, it'll be short.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I know.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
I watched a fair amount of baseball this week because
were just kind of around the house and I look again,
I'm just gonna make me sound like an old man.
I got every commercial break, every commercial break, I would
get the same Carls Junior case Oberger ad with like
Alex Earl and I like with Alex with an. I

(09:39):
I had no idea who this is.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Okay, all right, my wife brought that name up to
me this weekend, and I.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Had was she also watching Did she also hear the
Carls Junior ad?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
No? She was bringing up some sort of podcast drama
between or something with this person and the woman from
Call Her Daddy.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Sure, Like I don't know, I don't know chat which
just have people younger than me and they're like, oh,
she's from TikTok And she was like getting ready videos. Yeah, okay,
so that's what I This also means nothing to me,
but right.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well, and I also I want to to defend my
wife's honor. Briefly, Uh, my wife thought she was a
former co host of Call Her. My wife did not
know who she was.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
It was just if if there's drama available to uh
take in as a third party, I will, I will
hear about it.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
You're a big normal gossip listener, is that? Ah?

Speaker 2 (10:32):
I have not. Actually I don't. I subscribe, but I
don't listen to podcasts. I'm sorry to report. I don't
know anywhere. I don't do anything, and so I don't
have podcasts to listen to to. Uh.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
I mean I used to listen to them more than
I started, you know, editing six of them. So yeah,
less a less appealing.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
I never know, Like first until this weekend, no, I
had like in like Paris Hilton show up at the
end of the ad too, which fine whatever, And like
at first it was confusing because they're like I'm only
paying attention and they're both just kind of blonde women
that looks like like that's the same person, am I
like just not paying attention to this, but I will
say to the to the credit of the advertisers, I guess,
or whoever bought the huge block on MLB TV. I'm like, man,

(11:15):
I kind of want a Caso burger from Carls Junior.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
I mean, look again, there's one, not you and I
apparently are extremely pro ca So yeah, you're not gonna it.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Feels like like I look about and pepper Jack cheese.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
I mean, fine, that's fine, and Caso can be a
little have a little spice to it. I don't think,
you know, obviously pepper Jack.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
They also have a burger that just says like jalapeno
poppers on it, which I might get that instead, Like
I'm not I guess, I guess. I guess advertising works.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Show just make a thing that I like, Like, oh,
you're combining things I already like, right the same.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, Like, I don't know if that's your advertising didn't
get me, it's just you.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
You catered to my needs.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
I mean you showed it to me once during every
commercial break of the Brewers Reds game. Basically, but yeah, all.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Right, let's get to the Let's get to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Our first segment A serious or serious series not a singular.
We're going to discuss several here. We're gonna start with
the Dodgers and the Padres. The Dodgers stopped sucking.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
For three games.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
I don't know, I mean they still two of the
three were tense, I would say, and and even the
one that they won six nothing they really benefited from
Jackson Merrill just clanking one right off his glove. But
the Dodgers swept the Padres. They have a two game
lead in the NL West. The Padre so I they

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entered with a one game deficit.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
So three game series. I don't know. I mean, I
don't know that this was a statement series. I mean
I guess it was you win three.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Games against even for the deficit, but like the statement
is just like you know, there's only forty games left
in the season, three of them against their direct rival.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
But they're about to play again. Yeah, of course, yeah,
they get The Dodgers are going to Colorado.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
For four games. They always love to play hot Rockies,
by the.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Way, Yeah, yeah, and ruining everything and then going into
San Diego directly after that. So that's good because you play,
you play incourse and then you get your course hangover
straight to your division rival so or division rival this
year anyway.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, I don't know what else to say. You know,
Blake Snow looked very good.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, I think that's the thing to take away.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
From it, right right, having Snow and Glass now back.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Looking Glass now was okay. Yeah, five innings, two runs again,
it's yeah, well it's one of those things where he
looks really good for four Indians and then one inning
just he gave up I think single runs across his
last two winnings.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
But it looked like it was starting to go pretty fast. Uh,
Snell looked had.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
A at a kind of a laborious first and.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Then yeah, but it was it wasn't like he wasn't
striking out as many guys as normal. It wasn't like
the nor the stand up Snell and and honestly the
first game Clinton Kershaw looked phenomenal. I don't know what
to do with that. I don't know that that's particularly meaningful.
I mean, he like it's phenomenal for him now right, like.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
He like like the better version of like late stage
Greg Maddox. I think at this point, yeah, but he's like,
I mean, I guess if you had just for run environment, Narra,
it's not the same, but he like just feels he
can not giving the same length that Maddox was giving
you then, but Adds wasn't giving you the Maddox.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
And look they are. You know, I thought it was interesting.
I thought they might have put him back out there.
He went six inning, I.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Think seventy fancy rich Hill, if you want to go
with Fancy rich Hill.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Seventy four seventy five pitches. So there was room to
take them back out for the seventh, as I posted,
like sending back out nothing bad has ever happened in
the seventh.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, but they didn't. And you know, I think the
big thing with these guys, and especially if they're getting
six innings, even just out of these guys, is it's
a big deal for the bullpen, which has been incredibly overworked. Yeah,
they I mean to that point, the Dodgers blew a

(15:34):
four nothing lead on Sunday over the course of the
game and then used five pitchers to get twelve outs.
I think over the last you know, the last four
innings of the game, and you know, it's it's tense
every time someone goes out there. It sounds like Kopek
and Tanner, Scott, and Kirby Yates are all either about

(16:00):
to or on rehab assignments, so you know, maybe that helps,
maybe it doesn't. I don't know. They haven't been that good.
So I feel like being a doughter stand in twenty
twenty five is like always having something coming in the mail. Yeah,
well right, someone's always on a rehab, but it's also
something that's been delayed or like if you have to
return something to get.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
No, you're just like checking in and it's like FedEx
a senate to Tennessee for something.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of why going to Oklahoma City.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah, that you don't hear anything for two days and
then it just shows up on your doorstep.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah. Speaking of which, rayther Way Roki Sasaki picture rehab
in Oklahoma City was bad.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Topped out at ninety five. I think threw a sinker
and a slider. I guess he was starting a slider already,
but maybe a different I don't know. So, yeah, there's
always something. I think it's usually defective. I think it
is time I have not done this, but maybe it's
like ordering from Timu. I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
I think it is time to stop thinking about Rokie
Sasaki for about six months. Oh yeah, yeah, I just
mentioned No, I know, I mean like everyone, not just you.
I think everyone should just go ahead and just let
give him till February. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Well, I mean it's probably I have I suspect it's
probably gonna be like twenty twenty seven. I think at
some point he just had surgery in here. Probably.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
The other the other part of this is this series,
to be clear, is right after we said Michael King
is back and Patrick was talking of Dylan Cease in
the last last podcast, Michael King wasn't able to start.
That was the he was supposed to start against Kershaw.
They had to essentially do. I guess it wasn't quite

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a bullpen game. It was a you know, an opener situation.
But Randy Vasquez pitched in his place. That's not usually
what you want. He wasn't awful or anything, but.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
So he's Randy Vasquez. Yeah, he got away.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
With some stuff he did, is ready Vasquez.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
And then Dylan.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Ce just really again not helped by Jackson Merrill out
out in the center field, but all the same, like
struggled fairly significantly.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
And uh yeah, so I don't know. I I I
feel like I did a lot of recapping and talking
where are you guys on this series? What did it?

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I feel it changes things? I mean games left. Yes,
it changed spots in the standings, but.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
It's swung the divisional odds given the amount of time
left in the season.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
But yeah, I should have I should have tracked our
one day changes to see what it was I did see. Uh,
someone just just recently posts the swing on of fanografts
kind of like because they have the daily yea changes
over time. But it's uh, yeah, I mean it was

(18:56):
relatively significant, especially for for where we are in the season.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah, like they needed, like, you know, you want to
stop some of the Padre's momentum here too, like if
they take two out of three and your two back
and then you have to go there the next weekend.
They're also I don't think it's meaningful in like a
true talent level, right, but like at this point you
don't really care about that. You just got to win

(19:20):
the games. And I think we all think they're better
to the Padres anyway, So.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, they're They're also going to get a chance to
prove it in October, like this is, this is I
think this was a good chance to treat this as
a preview, like you're just going to see these teams again.
It is encouraging for the times.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
It's hard because we've spent how long talking about, like
as a sector of this industry, talking about how October
doesn't actually prove what people want it to prove, so like.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
To say they're going to prove it in October.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
It's a short series, I it doesn't, you know again,
like the Padres probably should have beaten the Dodgers last October,
and they were, in my opinion, at least as good.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
And like, I don't the Dodgers ended up winning. I
don't know that proved anything, you know what I mean. Well,
now we've made it so that September doesn't mean anything either,
and neither dis August, and neither just July. I mean,
that's just how it works now, and no, nothing gets
to mean anything anymore. Enjoy your baseball. It's fine, it's entertaining.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Pay eighteen dollars for a popcorning, but way more than
that in the stadium.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah yeah, elsewhere your two teams played, Yeah, yep, they
sure did.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
It's like a Mets Mariners is another weird that really
shouldn't happen. Also, I know it's a little league game,
but it's still very weird to have it one like Sunday,
which is like baseball lineup right, Like they're both to
playoff contenders and they have stars. They have like notable
stars on them, tend to home run champion, home run leader.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
They are both over ninety to make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, yeah, sure, I mean again, it doesn't feel like
that as a Mets fan, but they are. Indeed, Mariner
has at least been on a fairly like I don't
really a hot streak, but they've.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
There are four games up on the on the next,
whereas the Mets are game and a half, where the
Maritors have lost two series.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Now yes they have, and one of them to the Orioles.
It's not ideal, but like again, they're they're probably fine.
Probably like the match needed these games more than the
Mariners did, especially after blowing the Friday game in a
very recent Metsian fashion, and look they they got them.
They did enough, right, So that's is our first two

(21:46):
game winning streak of the month MRI today. So probably
now which is it will come out right three every
finish I probably will. Yeah, Nolan McLean.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Look he did.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
He looked about as as good as you could have hoped,
right like, he didn't really have the arm side command
of the breaking balls against lefties, but you know he
the you know, the Mariners also outside of rally don't
really have the lefties to punish him for that, So.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
That, I mean, that's about as good as you can
hope for from a from a pressure packed yes rookie.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Right like, he's like, hey, go be the stopper after
we've lost three games in a row in horrible fashion.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah right there at there's a lot on him. I
mean I was.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
And look he got like he got some breaks here
and there, but yeah he did. He pitched well, like
he looks like he's you know, got me. He sounds
like he's been in the rotation the rest of the
way more or less.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
So, uh can I Patrick, I know that's on me. No, no, no,
hold on, no moving I'm not moving on from the
Mariners yet. This is unfair to ask you because you're not.
I should have asked you ahead of time for you
to But like, what what is wrong with George? That's
a good question. I did not see his game yesterday.

(23:05):
I recorded it and then did not get a chance more.
He's throwing all year, right, I mean it's got like
a four something e er like it's just yeah. I
think what's going on is that he has gone from
throwing good strikes to bad strikes. There's a lot of
middle middle stuff now as opposed to missing. And you've
reached a point where you these control pictures, right you

(23:29):
you go, okay, good, he's throwing strikes and he's getting
away with it. Uh, and you kind of like every
every single one of that, I feel like there's reaches
a point where you're like, well, I wish he'd throw
a few less strikes. Yeah, it's okay, I.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Will say so. So his line against the Bats four
and two thirds, twelve hits, seven earned, yeah, three.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Walks, yeah, and the twelve hits is the big thing, right,
Like he just like.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
He's he's normally been one of the I mean you
go back his last two seasons, he had a sub
one walks per nine and then one point one and
this series at two point three, right, which is two
point three is absolutely fine. Yeah, it's just not George Kirby.
It's it's it's weird and like the four starts prior

(24:13):
to the Mets game, including in the Baltimore series, he
went Baltimore, went seven, Indians, struck out seven, walk no
one right three. It's he had given up four runs
in his last four starts total. Granted some of that
was the White Sox and Angels, but regardless, he had
been on a pretty good run. But this just like
he's got a four to two are right, This is
just not George Kirby.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
And it's not really that he's giving up more hits.
It's that it's the hits are worse. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
I like he got off to a very bad start
this season too, and then he missed time and came
out and seemed like, you know, maybe he was pitching
hurt a little bit.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
The Mets just they hit his fastball right like they were,
they were on it. The lineup's been better recently. It's
not a bad lineup when everybody's healthy and wow, which
really hasn't been the case for most of the season.
But yeah, I don't know what is wrong with George
Kirby person.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, my my indication, my instinct is that this is
just you know, it's not as years the average TV's up.
You know, I take an half. Uh, it hasn't really
translated into the slugging as much as I would have thought. Actually,
it's three eighty as supposed to three ninety four last year.
So some of this feels like sequencing. Yeah, but yeah,

(25:31):
he doesn't. It just it doesn't. He it's especially because
he started off, you know, he got hurt and he
came back, and it just never hasn't felt right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Okay, And now Patrick, now we can transit. I don't
know if this is some thoughts about the Mariners and
the and the and the Mets in terms of going forward.
I honestly we didn't do it for a third topic,
but maybe maybe next week. You you mentioned in a
recent pod Patrick, like it's time to look at at
strength of schedule, Like you should just do a rundown

(26:08):
of the strength of schedule at some point for the
for the like relevant parties, because I think it would
be a good kind of reference point and level set
to to see like what people have going forward. Well,
and especially if we do it next week, then the
Mariners will look real good, because right now they're in
the middle of their the kind of their hardest strench

(26:28):
left after the Mets. They they faced the Phillies now
for the next three games, and I think for them
after that it gets it's pretty easy. So yeah, yeah, okay,
and our last bit on the serious series of Jays
and Rangers going in opposite directions.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, Jase took two or three. I've obviously been scoring
a ton of runs recently. Damn, look like they're going
to be maybe the one seed, maybe get at least
get a buy they are in. They're currently one seed.
I know that Tigers are there thereabouts, but like, yeah,
it's just very funny to me, Like we'ven't talked about
the Matons and say, to god the division lead that

(27:10):
they're just literally and even at the deadline, like what
they traded for a reliever, like they just ran it
back and it worked.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, I mean they're getting like they ran it back
into work. I guess that's true.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Like, you know they were good before last year, right,
Like I mean they weren't. They were, I mean they
were they were about this good. Yeah, bobaet is now
having the Bobashet season like they're getting.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, I mean, I guess that's true. They're just getting good.
Alejandro Kirk good, George Springer again, Springer has been hurt,
it'll be back, but he's having an incredible season. Yeah
that that like that that not in line even with
his decent performances of of you know, the recent past,
Addison Barger. I mean, like their line up added three

(28:00):
and a half bats.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
It's true, and I guess some of its divisions worse
around them too, with the Orioles.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
And somehow not you know, none of that is Anthony
sent on there, but like right, I mean Dalton varshow has.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Been Dalton Varshaw thirteen home runs in thirty seven games. Yeah,
like he's been hurt constantly, but yes, slugging six hundred
when he's when he's healthy. Vlad is just repeating, you know,
he's got a nine essentially a nine hundred ops. This
is and they are.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Extremely good with themanas they're extremely good defensively, especially on
the infield.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Miles Straw, multi multi home run hitting Miles Straw. Yeah,
I don't even know what to do with it, but
like they he's been a valuable player for them this year.
Like credit that looks like.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Patrick's Tyler Heineman Tyler still has a nine hundred ops
in forty seven games. Is he's two wins by is
not even counting his defense. This is this is our war.
Two wins in forty seven games. I mean, they're so
they're catching. Their production has been incredible, You're right, I mean,
but this is all These are all guys who were there.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, and the pitching has been fine, and then they're
gonna they're gonna get Shane Bieber, I mean, well, the
pitching has been fine and Eric Lower Lower Yeah, it's
been vintage Shane Bieber. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
I mean they're top three starters Brios, Godsman, and Bassett
like one O five, one eleven and one hundred r pluses,
so they're not been like yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
But also one hundred and thirty eight one hundred forty.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
It's a lot of average innings. And right their pen
has been I mean it's a Blue Jays pen. I
don't know how confident I feel about it.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Ritt large No, Hoffman has like a four to two
e r A. But he's all and like, look I
watched him walk five, yeah, five home runs of an
inning or whatever, but like it's most that four E
RA has been he's been like lockdown or meltdown, and
honestly that's not the worst quality, right, having a reliever. Uh,

(30:03):
he's he's just like and it's also been like a
week where he's completely melted down, and otherwise he's been
pretty good.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yariol Rodriguez has taken to like a They're not even
strictly using him as to say he's a fireman, right,
I mean multi ning sometimes they have. Obviously we talked
about Brendan little before. Brandon Fisher has been really good
for them.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
They nick Sandline has been good since they traded for
him too.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, yeah, I just like, uh, the only time we
will talk about Chris Bassett on the podcast because he's
the least interesting pitture in baseball. Leads the league and
hits aloud, and I feel like of the negative of
the bad things of the bad black Inche like leading
Your leading the league and hits aloud means that you
are pitching enough to have the chance to lead.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
You really don't want to be you ideally don't really
leading the league and hits aloud and have one point
four horme run per.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Nine but sure, and not even a great walk rate. Yeah,
I mean again, like his whip is one three three four,
Like it's the it's that's not that's a lot of
that's a lot of traffic. When you're on a good
team and you're like, I'm going to give you the
technical quality start of six innings and three run.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah, but some of this again, I go back to
the defense, right, like they are often playing they've played Miles.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Straw in a corner sometimes.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Now, which is both a problem and also like that
if that's your defense, like, yeah, that's he there's a
lot of traffic. And look he has a four two
e R. Also it's not like he's been great, but
that's a five VR on other teams.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, like that, it really is. Their Their defense is
extremely strong.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Also, Typhrance, since the trade through fifty one four, he.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Was hitting five hundred or like when the Dodgers series
came up. Yeah, I mean, meanwhile, the Rangers, I don't,
I have not, I did not keep trying.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
No, they're under five hundred now they yeah, outrighted John Gray.
They're just sort of the worm turned pretty quickly there.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah. Sure, Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
When you have a bunch of these teams that are
a little bit over five hundred, they're not particularly good.
Some of them are gonna you know, the Guardians touch
State above five hundred.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
The Guardians reeled off a bunch of wins and then
dropped three straight to the Yankees. Yeah, the Royals are
seven and three in their life. They're ahead of Texas.
Now there are two games over five hundred, and.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Like, I don't know, like Texas is just going to
be in the chase spot right where they're.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Ye, yeah, I think so. All right, shall we move on?

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Sue Patrick mentioned the Mariners are going to face the
Phillies and in the tough part of their schedule, but
they won't have to face Zach Wheeler, who is going
this is sorry, Wheeler in the sky keeps on turning.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I apologize. I out that one.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
By the way, he has a blood clot near his shoulder.
He's gonna miss an extended period of time. Seems like
a very likely the rest of the season. I don't
have they talked about whether the postseason.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
And they just probably said the end of the regular season.
They're kind of leaving it. But like this is not
something that yeah, I mean, I guess it depends, but
this is.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
It also strikes me as a guy who said, like,
I'm going to retire to in three years to spend
more time with my family, and he's announcing that three
years in advance might not push this on a competitive level,
Like he seems like.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
You know, he's not going to risk I mean he's
a willer.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Is I say that with with I don't know, maybe not.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Admiring again that this is not a particularly common injury,
So no, we've seen it before though, No, and like
but there's not like a clear no, you don't know
what fairly individualized.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
They also said like near the shoulder, but not in
the arm, which makes me think it's like higher up
color bone. Yeah, like neck, would they be a little yeah, yeah,
but I don't know about Yeah. I mean it sucked
like Wheeler was going to have a shot at the
Soy Young this year because he was skeen struggling a
little bit. Yeah, and one right, he still has that

(34:26):
one one.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, which is insane.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
And for the Phillies, like, you know, a lot of
this is they a lot of their model for what
they do right is based on having Zach Wheeler in
the playoffs, right, Like they're they're built for those for
a series, and now you had to like and like
not that Cris Sanchez isn't good and Rangerswarz hasn't pitched.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Well, But none of them are Zach Wheeler.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Right, and you're putting a lot more pressure on and
none of them will go as deep as Zach Wheeler, right,
Like they're like not that they're five and dive guys.
But and then Aaronola came back. He have six runs,
which is not yeah either in like winning but in
like what felt like three batters. Yeah, which it's that's
like a that's like how Aaron Nola does it when
he when it goes, it goes.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
You know, Andrew Painters taking a step back this year,
but they may just have to go to Andrew Painter.
You know Howwon Walker's obviously can slide into that rotation
and it's pitched okay, But.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
You do like.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Anything gonnappen in the playoffs, right, They're probably still gonna
win that division, they may or may not gonna buy,
but you know it's gonna be tough for them without
Zach Wheeler. I feel like, you know, they avoided like
I know, Johann Durand got carted off but it's fine,
so they avoided the injuries scared they could come back
off his foot. It's yeah, it's the Phillies, like it's

(35:56):
I mean, it's still the Phillies, right, It's just gonna
be the Phillies. It's been what it's been for the
last few years. But it's been Zach Wheeler at the
front of that rotation.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, I mean he covers for a multitudeercents, right like
that is. I will say I looked up on our
recovery dashboard blood clot Going back to twenty seventeen, there
have been four injuries. Well it lists five, but one
of them is Scott Ober twice, so I don't think.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
I don't know if we're counting that forty four days
originally for Ober.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
His happened August seventeenth, twenty nineteen, so that's essentially the
end of the season.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
End of the season.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
And then two other pictures. Jared's Familia was one of them,
one hundred.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
And six days.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
I vaguely remember that.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Right arm, and then harder Caps had one.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I guess they said in his torso he missed nineteen
nineteen day oh was the end of the season. Season yep,
But yeah, it's it's a long term, long term mature.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah. I put a pictures in the talk about Aaron
Nola and it's great radio. But there is a a
game day feed, you know, the pitch by pitch thing
that I just I love it. Who is the batter
for this? The batter? The batter is Paul to John
and run with runners on first and second. Aaron Nola
throws four pitches, two cutters, a knuckle curve, and a

(37:20):
fourteen fastball with a you know, like seventy nine miles
per hour on the knuckle curve, ninety three on the
four scene, which was like maybe as hard as throwing
fastball the day. Three different, three different types of pitches,
three different velocities, all four of them to the exact
same spot. Like the ball it was off. Yeah, I
assume off, just off the screen. I have a fower

(37:43):
precisely in the same spot eleven inches outside the strikes
like credibles. Cutter is eighty seven eighty six. Yeah, that's
so that's maybe he's a guy.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
No, but that's like Clayton Gershaw throwing his slider and
fastball at the same speed.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, that's not good. I mean, like his fastball was
ninety three. But also your cutter shouldn't be seven miles
per hour off your fastball. Yeah, so that doesn't seem good.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Uh so, I mean I guess Jeff, we know how
Jeff feels about that.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Yeah, I mean the mention Philly still play six games left.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
It's a fine game gap. I mean, look, they have
they have a lot of cushion. It is hilarious that
the Phillies are getting the good Taiwan Walker this year.
It is, Yeah, you just don't. We're not early. I'll
tell you that they.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Usually you get the good one early. And the yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
He is, he is very much stepped up.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
He's stepped up to the tune of not striking out
more than four batters in a game.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Sure, sure three. You know he's better Chris Bassett, you know. Yeah. No,
Like the thing is that like the phil if they
you know, in the playoffs, it's still Sanchez Lozardo, Suarez
Walker right, like you don't need I know.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
I mean, if you're facing the Mets in the three
verses six, it's great because it's all lefties and they
can't hit lefties. But like other teams can hit lefties,
it's not you.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Know you're if you lose Wheeler, like obviously you know
it's a huge problem. But like Nola nor Payters should
be in starting a playoff game at this point.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Right, Like, I mean, Nola's going to do? You think
Noah's I think they're gonna start Nola. I think over Walker, I.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Think I honestly think you're talking about Game two starter
Aaron Nola just.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Because yeah, six weeks of watching Aaron Nola do this
before we have to Yeah, I think, yeah, but he
just came up.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
I mean, he hasn't been good for he hasn't been
good for a while. It hasn't been like Game two
starter level for a while. Now, yeah, what's up on
that contract?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
I'm not denying that, but I.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Mean I know Dave Dombrowski doesn't care what's left on
that contract.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
He threw just shy of two hundreds of three and
a half e r A baseball last year.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
And he's Aaron he was he got cy Young votes
last year.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
I guess he did it. Never it feels like you
never think.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
He's Aaron Nola on the Phillies. I think your your
status on you know, his status.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
I get what you're saying and homes it would be.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
A home start instead of a road start or whatever,
presuming they're there they're hosting, which I assume they will be.
I think you're talking about game two starters. No one
work with that. I guess, boy, it'll be funny. I
think you have to start Sanchez game one this yeah, right, yeah,
well yeah, one of the best pictures in baseball, Like.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
He I know, but a lot of the a lot
of I mean, look, a lot of these guys are
gonna pitch anyway, and so a lot of times teams are.
There's a lot of difference to to like club meaningfulness
or whatever, which.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Which didn't matter when it was Wheeler and it was
you know, not that hard a choice, right, correct, No,
it didn't matter at all. I mean, no, it's like clubhouse. Uh.
I don't want to say politics or whatever.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
But like you know, it was a big deal back
when the Dodgers like would start Walker Bueller in the
game over Clayton Kershaw. They were not close at the time, right,
like it was it should absolutely unmerit have been Bueller,
but like it meant, there's like a significance to it.
I apologize for bringing up the Dodgers in but it's

(41:48):
just a you know, the point being that like these things,
they might not matter to us, but it matters in internally.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah. But yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Is it possible everything can feel bad for everybody except yeah,
I mean it kind of Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Is the one feeling good in Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Toronto
and Colorado.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah, all right, do we have any ema else on
the Phillies.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
No.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I I think they'll be fine. Like, I think they'll
still win the Ana least, I think they'll still have
they like it. It's it is about as bad a
blow as you can get to lose Wheeler, right, like
but but like it's not like he is their only starter,
Like there are you know, I feel like there are

(42:43):
teams that would be more devastated because of the lack
of depth than the Phillies are. That's it. It's a
it's a big blow. Yeah, all right, our third subject
before we take a break. I can't believe this is
its own subject.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
I know, but it wasn't original. I couldn't they give
a third one. So guess what?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Guess what?

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Guess what got pulled Mary Mary Chris.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Mott to the pot, not only added to the Diamondbacks
recently or to the ORG, but promoted and Jeffrey.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
He was phenomenal, Like I like, I saw the Diamondbacks
picked him up as on minor league deal, which fine. Uh,
then I saw you sent me a tea chatel I
was recording yesterday about him getting uh called up. I'm like,
oh great, And then I checked in later like he started,
he's just starting today in course, like okay, and then

(43:39):
he pitched, well, yeah, my benings, five strikeouts, one run,
almost like you should have been in the majors for like,
and lest we forget, lest we forget he was just
in the Philly system. Wish they had him back now
game two starter and not Bill Christmas.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Now now the ratings are through the fucking version. Yeah uh.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
And like if if you're wondering if he did something different,
he did not. He threw his change up forty two
percent of the time with the fifty nine bread he
got one swinging strike on any other pitch he throw. Yeah,
but you don't need no, he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Everything else is just setting up, yeah to change it.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
It's great. He should keep doing this first of the
year and like you might, they just might start him
the rest of the year because I didn't like for.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
A team that just needs in him. Absolutely, it's good.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
It keeps him. Obviously he's gonna pitch for Columbia in
the World Baseball Classic next year, but like, give me
a showcase for one more how am I like, huh?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
How old is?

Speaker 3 (44:40):
He's like thirty?

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I think, okay, he's got more than one night.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
I mean, he's got to keep pitching like this. It's
like he's one of those guys where he has like
we had that one bad year what two years ago
for the Padres and then basically has not been able
to get regular a major league time since then. He's
also like I know, I know we've talked like over
the years, like Nobulo christ As like the bullpen guy

(45:07):
you just have, yes, But like the problem is they
just option or dfa that guy. Like that's how teams
treat it right now. They don't keep them around because they.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Know, I know, but like he is kind of rubber
armed like he is, but they still want those guys
of your But like you can because it's all change ups,
like you can just like it's fine and whether you're
getting blown out or you're blowing someone out, like just
throw them out there. It's fine. But the point, I yeah,
you're right, they do. Just DFA those guys. But it's

(45:38):
bizarre to me that, like like.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
The Dodgers through Edgardo and Rica's two innings and their
six nothing win. I'm sorry again, Yeah, but like, oh, you're.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Hundred to one hundred and three in in your mop
up role, like that doesn't make any goddamn sense. I
don't know. It's I'm trying to look up, like.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
He's got bullets to fire. Look, the build Chrismon is not.
He's using a sling shot. He's not firing bullets, right,
Like it's okay.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Who's a spot in the lineup? Did you take it?
It was a gallons? He took gallons? No, No, it
would be discal fan that he.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Was probably hurt. Yeah, but like they're going to have
Gallon's going to be a free agent. They already traded
Meryl Kelly. They don't and they have upper miner skies
they can they really want, but like maybe not Miil
Christmas just starts for the Diamondbacks next year. It's just
it's very funny always like he's never I know, he's
never a planet.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I don't think that's right.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Like that's the it's part of it.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
It's just very funny. The Diamondbacks have only had eight
Picture Star games and like two of them are Burns
and uh and Kelly.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
We got to be better than like two of the
a's starters right now, right?

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, well everybody, yeah, uh oh, one thing
we do we do need to go back because we
talked about a Little League game.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
I mean, oh but Rob Manford made some comments in
passing by the way. Oh yeah, that's what that was.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yesh, Yeah, that's where that that came from. Uh.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
He mentioned that if the league expands the they could
look to geographically realign, which is not I mean, we've
run articles on this. People have been talking about this
for a while, but like, I don't know, it's it's notable.
I suppose when the commissioner says.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
It, yeah, like he's not I mean he I think
his plan is to start expansion.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
He doesn't want to be here.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
You don't want to be here. When he's got to
start it, it's going to take six years after the CBA, right,
so probably twenty thirty two. And I know his termline
runs to twenty thirty. But you know he's going to
want to get the teams in the stadiums and the
money specifically all in well, he's still there, right, and
then somebody else can deal with the expansion draft or whatever.
But yeah, I mean, the fact that he's talking about

(48:00):
this on Sunday Night Baseball probably tells you it's and look,
they're gonna I suspect they're going to give some stuff
away in the next DBA and I don't think they'll
lose games, but they might at which point. Yeah, you
want five billion dollars split thirty ways as a cash infusion,
So the east way to do that is to two
and a half billion dollar expansion fees.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Especially when television revenues are gonna Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
I mean they also talked about they actually put them
on the spot there to see if it's Obviously, ESPN
and MLB are negotiating again, but it sounds like their
main plan is to just keep selling off like I know,
they have midweek games already on MLB network and ESPN,
but actually sell them off as exclusives right to ESPN
and other streaming services. They're just gonna piece meal it

(48:45):
like everything else. And try to you know, that Wednesday
Twins Tigers game is going to be not that long
since a getaway day probably, but like that, you know
that when that Wednesday night, I don't know, UHT or
whatever Padres Diamondbacks is just going to be on you
know Peacock. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Some of what I feel like I've read ESPN talking
about what they want is potentially to be part of
the solution for some of these teams that don't have networks.
So like they but ESPN wants is uh, Twins fans,
guess what you you sign up to ESPN and you
get all the Twins.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Games, spending a hundred million dollars a year on ww
A now so or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
But you know what I mean, Like, I uh, I
think that's I think that's where some of these whether
it's ESPN or Apple.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
And I guess they've also talked about like actually straight up, yeah,
straight up buying like the MLB. They want to be
the streamer apparatus, the stream area right.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
For for all of that. So yeah, I don't know,
we'll see. All right, let's take a break. Welcome back
with the rest of the show.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Welcome back to episode four hundred and eighty four of
five and dive if we're on segment four going around
the horn speaking of wrestling, Jeffrey.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
You sent this to the chat. Yeah, met with crickets
because neither Patrick or I know.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Well, yeah, go ahead. So there's obviously been a lot
of I mean less so now because.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yankees, the Yanks have won seven to ten.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Yeah, thank I mean, which is again good but if
not great, it's fun.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
That's seven is pretty good.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
No, it is, Yeah, but they obviously Aaron bons went
on the hot seat because Aaron Bon's always on the
hot seat. Yes, an earlier, earlier, last week, whatever, Friday
before the game. It's from Chris Kershner on Twitter. Before
the game, Brian Cashman defended the job Aaron Boone has
done in the team's accountability. I'm not an advocate of
becoming Randy Macho man Savage or John Cena from w

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w A, I mean Mandy Mocho Manham whatever and providing
a power drive to finish off the victim.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
He was from WWF, wasn't he Like.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Yeah, technically true.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah, so those guys deploy a power drive.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Power drive is not a real move. Uh, But also
like if you're gonna mention like John Cena is a
modern famous person, right, Like you know he's a wrestler,
but he's also like acted in movies and TV shows
and things like that. So like name checking him is fine,
and not knowing what his actual finisher is is also fine.
I feel like like you would know, but how do

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you name check?

Speaker 2 (51:41):
I don't. All I know about John is the you
don't see.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
His finisher is the attitude adjustment. It's like a Fireman
scary slam.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
That clarifies.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Yeah, I don't expect Bran Cashman to know that. But
like if you're name checking Randy macho Man Savage and correctly,
what's his nickname? Actually it's the macho Man Randy Savage.
But whatever, we'll give him credit for it.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
No one says that, Now do you not know like
like a top rob Is that the connection here?

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Yes, okay, he played in the Cardinals minor League.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
That's what I thought, but like.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Not knowing he has like the elbow drop from the
top rope and like a top rope, and I'm not
going to provide I'm not going to do the top
rope elbow drop or the elbow drop off the top
or whatever to finish off the victim like makes more,
it does, it gives you an image, right then? What
the whatever you think the power drive is.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Sounds like me trying to ask about a warranty on
a car. Yeah, what's the power drive on that?

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
What what Brian Cashman is saying is that he is
not going to snap into the metaphorical slim gym.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Yeah, but also like I don't in context right like
like I guess he's like, I'm not going to pile
on Like obviously you're not going to publicly sometimes something
bad as your manager until the day you fire him,
and even the day you fire him, you're going to
be like, thank you for us if we wish you

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the best in your future endeavors, which is also w
w a thing to say, but which I think he
meant pile drive, Yes, although neither of those wrestlers used
a pile driver as they're finisher.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Sure, it is very funny to because you think you
think you guys.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Are guys that used sounds like a middle reliever to
run Absolutely, yeah, I think driver.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
But yeah, I think it's very funny for for Brian
Cashman to say, Hey, you think you guys are mad
at Aaron Boone. You should hear what people are talking
about in the inside of the organization. And yet I
don't know, man, Like, it's hard to be a manager.
It's hard to do a job where nobody has a
way to find any successes you have and but can

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very easily pinpoint out all your failures. Aaron Boone has
done very little, too, uh to create any kind of
successes for pro Aaron Boone people, Like, I'm assuming there
are pro Aaron Boone.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
I mean, they did make the World Series last year.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
They did, but like, how many people are crediting Aaron Boone?

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Right, yeah, I mean that's the thing, right, And that's
also like the table stakes for a lot of Yankees
fans any right, like you did the bare minimum? Congratulations
or whatever?

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Right now? It was sorry, go ahead, No, I'm just
I just feel like every time Brian Cashman defends Aaron Boone,
Aaron Boon's like, stop stop doing that.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
I mean, Cashman himself is also sort of not immune
to criticism at this.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Point, neither and every time Aaron every time Brian Cashman
compliments Aaron Boone, it is redirection, right, I want to interrupt.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I'm not going to call this breaking news, but we
did get We've already received Jim Bowden's proposed realignment.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Okay, do you do you want me to run through there? Oh?

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Sure, I think there's a part that I'm already enjoying.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
But we'll start with There's Eastern Conference is what he
going with? So East?

Speaker 1 (55:02):
The East in the Eastern Conference is the Red Sox, Mets,
Yankees and Phillies.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, that's a lot of misery. And what is that's?

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Yea, the North is the Reds, Guardians, Tigers and Blue Jays.
It's just recreating a week's central something.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Well, the mid.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Atlantic, the Orioles, Pirates, Nationals, and expansion.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Charlotte Charlotte going with time? Okay that.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Oh no, Nashville comes up in a second.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
I'm sorry, Well, because that was the thing I was
really enjoying as part of this. Also, I'm gonna like
mid Atlantic is we're just in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is the
mid Atlantic?

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Now?

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
It's not really close to to that body of water.
Southeast Braves, Marlins, Nashville and Rays.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Look it's three Rivers Stadium. Those rivers flow into the Atlantic. Right,
like they touch it is. Patrick, I had to edit
out of your piece recently. It is not Three Rivers
Stadium anyway. You know, it's Pittsburgh the River. It is
on a river.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
It is not one of the vers I assume.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Then we go over to the Western Conference and start
with the Midwest, which is famously extremely West. Yeah, Cubs,
White Sox, Brewers, and Twins. Sure, the Southwest, Astros, Royals, Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
And Rangers.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Missouri is not in the Southwest. I'm sorry, Well, I understand.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Like Texas is barely in the Southwest itself. Texas is Texas.
That's Texas. That's its own thing. I'm sorry. The Pacific Coast.
This is a good starter. At the Pacific Coast Rockies. Yeah, Athletic,
Mariners and Giants. This is really good because it's like
when Haymon said, uh, Chris Bryant was really liked the

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Rockies because it was close to Las Vegas or whatever Vegas.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Pacific Coast Athletics are going to be supposedly.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Going to be in Las Vegas, which is I know
they are in the Pacific Coast League, but like, yeah,
the pitch like this, and then the West, the Diamondbacks, Angels, Dodgers,
and Padres.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
There's multiple teams are closer to the Pacific Coast than
tams in the Pacific coast.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yes, correct, I a lot to have a Pacific Coast
and the west.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Yes, I feel like being west of the Pacific coast. Correct,
You know implies you can't go any further You can't
go any further west because these.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Coastal cities on the of the Pacific.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Did I miss the Mariners in there?

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Mariners are in the Pacific coast tostly?

Speaker 3 (57:54):
No found fair enough?

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah. What I will say is that it is an
exercise and utility to try and do this right. Yeah,
it's just going to be, which is why I'm sorry,
which is why you just shouldn't like it's it's like trade.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
It's it's like like school like hockey thing. Name them,
do them roughly geographically, and then name them after famous players,
right right? Yes?

Speaker 1 (58:17):
The only yes they should be named after. The other
thing is I I kind of liked the idea. I
forget who I first saw propose it, but I liked
the idea of having like the Florida.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Teams plus Houston and Texas because it's just the Gulf Coast.
It's it's not that bad a flight, right, honestly, and
like they are kind of weird fits everywhere else. I
kind of that's the one thing I kind of don't remember.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Put the two Florida teams with Nashville and Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
If you have, then it can make a lot of sense.
The other thing is that with expanding to thirty two
teams gives you the opportunity to give eight and like,
four teams is not a division.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Right, The.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Teams is a clumb it's not. You don't get to,
you know, dignify four teams with the concept of a division.
I'm sorry, wow, really really harsh to Yeah, L West
for a long time. No, Ale West, Al West for
a long time. Yeah, the Als, the fourteen AL West,

(59:19):
but the sixteen an Central. Yeah, it was. It was
very weird our greatest minds. Okay, sorry for that interruption.
We'll get back to around the Horn. Samuel Pasaio called
up Jeffrey.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Yeah, Dylan Bieber's too for the Orioles. We're not going
to like get We're going to call up apparently well yeah,
you know, he was on the top. He might end
up making the one on one now, but uh visioh
like probably should have been up when they needed a

(59:52):
BAP early in the season, more than a month at
I know he's been banged up.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
During the Jacob stallings. Eah, he was he was called up.
He was called up what nine hours after the the deadline?
The deadline for what what we've essentially back figured out
like the back into the like he.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Can't discovery rookie eligibility. They can is not going to
call every day. It's a very good hitter.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
So I do just want to read the intro sentence
from Tim Jackson's So we ran a call upon this
from Ben Stanner. I want to read this intro sentence
from Tim Jackson's Fantasy Impact on This, which is recently
at a free program through my local library about wolf dogs.
I learned that hunters sit right outside the invisible border
of Yellowstone National Park and pick off wolves for trophy hunting,

(01:00:45):
using the technicality for their personal game. Anyway, the Orioles
have called Asaiah hours nine hours after.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
We combined this with a quote from Jordan Westburg yes weekend. Look,
if we want to force the front off as his hand,
or force things that happen in this organization. We've got
to prove that we're able to play winning baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
So excited to bail.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
On real chicken and the egg here, but bail.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Like as a Seattle mayors stand. You've got to love
it when you're when your players are just so philosophically
opposed to their own bosses.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Yeah, I mean, look too, not that I want to
give the Mariners too much credit, but to their credit,
like after like they paid cal Rally right after cal
Rally basically said I wish we had some of those
guys rangers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
For three straight seasons.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they could have decided he was
a problem, like they probably will with Jordan Westburgh, and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
They'll ship him to ship him to Pittsburgh or something
place where here's what louisine is really like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
It won't be Pittsburgh. It'll be like Houston or something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
But yeah, it'll be some team on the on the
downswing where he'll spend the rest of his contract, you know,
on some sort of ninety lost team.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Yeah. I mean, they're not going to extend Jordan Weshburg,
so that'll be the first.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
So but I also had a home run robbed in
his debut, yes against Houston, Bubba Chandler not called up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
I mean, they're just like not going to do this,
and then they're gonna wait until somehow gonna wait until June.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Yeah, I don't think so, but like this stuff has
backed up a little bit. But also like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Sure, but also maybe he's you know, like I I
go back to like Francisco lindoor way back, like everyone
thought break camp potentially and blah blah blah, and he
had a really good spring I think, and the cold
and was like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Not even bad, but like maybe lackluster, I guess, and
then like came up and was great because they're good
players who are like this. I guarantee you Bubba Chandler
knows what the fuck is going on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, he's been quoted, I believe, so like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
What you know, you're just you're asking for a Jordan
Westburg quote from him soon, right or or whoever it
is that that you know, Like I don't know, I
don't even know if they'll wait until till June or
or if they're gonna try and do some sort of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Want him on tract.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Yeah they might. IM sure, you want them up for
like PPI incentives next year so like, might as well
just have him up now to make some starts and
start trying to make like secondary adjustments against major league hitters. Yeah,
you would think I would.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I would think so. I would think so. Uh. You
mentioned John Gray earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
They cut they got to os, they outright at him.
He's gonna be yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I mean, I don't want to say like it's never
gone right for him. He signed a fifty four million
dollar contract before this at least, but man, just it's
gone right from exactly once.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Well timed, I suppose, but the the number of injuries,
both just handed arm injuries from pitching and also like
he gets like hit with comebackers and brings something and
what I just bad bad block.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Uh. Marcella Meyer done for the season with wrist surgery.
The Red Sox still will not call up Christian Campbell.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
They will not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
They continue to be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
It's all either going to sign Nate Low ye yeah,
and to replace Abraham Toro I guess which honest, not
replace him per se, but like try, yeah, try some stuff.
Like I don't know how long you think Abraham.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Working and I know that Nate Low has n't been great,
but you know you could do something with him potentially yeah.
Uh and and honestly it's like maybe you just try
and catch the ty France hot streak, right, who knows?
Like I don't think anyone suddenly thinks ty France is
spectacular now, but like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
You hope there's a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Now you put him in that park and hope that
you know, and look.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
They they even proved a number of hitters, right, so
like it's not out of the question. Uh. Now we
have here the catch of the decade question mark, and
I don't know what it is referred the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Oh yeah, no, is the is the headline on MLB
dot com this morning? Is it really the very impressively
very nice?

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
I mean, just catch the ball, just like you slid
you were there, Just catch am I think.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
The Adalis Garcia one where he just caught it in
his hand recently that's prompted.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Uh did you guys see that one? Sam Miller posted,
Like the thing about athletes is like they just have
insanely large hands. Yes, did you see the Garcia? I
did not see the Garcia catch of course, at least.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
As good if we're if we're going to do that,
but like it is very when you say bare handed catch,
what I immediately think it was Kevin Mitchell, which we
are still seeing highlights of, you know, thirty years later.
Kevin Mitchell could have just caught it with his glove
and didn't because he misplayed it and ran past the
ball and then had to reach back. And that is
like the lead catch in its entirety, that catch that

(01:06:04):
I have not checked that ball has one catch probability.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Right, it might not be that high, but like, but.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
He overran it and then kind of fell and kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Like you know, like he overslit it. I guess more
than and and look, it's an impressive it's impressive to
stay with it and make the catch. Don't get me wrong, but.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Yes, there is an There is a part of that
catch which is really impressive, and other parts of that
catch which were very right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
This isn't like was it who was it in the
Super Bowl against the Falcons?

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Was it like the oh Antonio Freeman?

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
No, the Patriots. The Patriots guy that caught like got
hit and like bobbled it up and kept it from
hitting the ground. Like it's impressive to do when you
literally have like you know, a safe, like a safety
had trucked right and he still made that catch. Great,
that's an incredible catch that there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Yeah, did I sent you the videos to see at
last Garcia? I mean, look, look, having the wherewithal as
you're sliding to have the ball roll in between your
legs and then essentially catch it between your knees slash calves.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Or whatever is extreme. I'm not trying to knock junkingly.
It's a phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
I don't want to be like the football this term
that the enemy of football. Like usually when players try
to like stop like there was a you bring him
a high goal against England where you're like a forty
yard overhead kick and like one of the England players
was a friendly. One of the England players tried to
keep it from going in the net, Like no, just
let it go in, don't don't stop it. It's like
one of the most impressives. Like I don't want to

(01:07:42):
be like an enemy of baseball and say it wasn't
like impressive, but also like also just catch the ball, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Sure, but also it was impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
It is just it's impressive, but it's not the catch
of the decade.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
We all deserve credit for miraculously fixing our own mistakes. Sure,
in life we all knock things off counters and catch
them before we hit the ground, and we feel normally
proud of ourselves. Yes, despite the fag without without feeling
the shame of knocking the thing off the counter. That
part disappears instantly and all you're left was the net

(01:08:17):
positive tears.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Nice save save, Yeah, save Save of the decade.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
I don't know, but there's no like import It's a
Giants season, so it doesn't like whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
I don't know. Lastly, I did not know Victor Robliss
was on the path to return. Yes, but he might
not be.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
It's gonna be delayed, Gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Delayed unless they call him up. So that's what I
was gonna ask. It is a Major League rehab assignment.
Will MLB be in charge of this suspension? Is the Pacific?
I would think it would be the p CL. It's
where when I did look up when Delman Young did this,
the International League suspended him. But he was also not
a man your in that Victor Roblace threw a bat

(01:09:05):
at a pitcher. Basically, yes, he's he is rehabbing an injury.
He's been hit by pitches. I think four times in
the last five games in that game. The third time
in that game, and that pitch it's in the middle
of him. It is trying every time, like when you
do CPR and they're like, don't break off the zyphoid

(01:09:26):
process over that little chip. That thing is in the
Bonnaby rib cage. I was like, oh, that is what
he's trying to do. He is trying to put the
ball directly into that spot in the center of his
chest and it's like that. It was the Aaron Nola
pitch directly hit by pitches. Yeah, I get what he's mad.
You still don't have to You can't throw that. You

(01:09:46):
can't throw that. We don't I did not see, Like,
I don't know if there's replaces. I did not see
how accurately the bat throw was.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
I didn't get that. I can't picture. More than anything else,
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Yeah, still, it doesn't justify it. I was just curious.
I watched the video, but now was it. Did he
fling it underhand? No, it was like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
It's like sidearm.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
I think, okay, yeah, yeah, I mean it was never going.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
To go that far, like he just kind of whips
it like you can't do You can't do that. No,
you cannot do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
That unless you're Roger Clemens. Apparently you can't. You can't
throw back at someone. No. I am interested to see
who levies the suspension. Now. My my instinct is that
the Mariners would not challenge this. Yeah, do that with

(01:10:36):
like a POT.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
When the Minor League Baseball tested for I don't know
if they still do test for POT, someone would get
a suspension. Sometimes Major League teams would like just promote
if they were.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
You can put him on the forty man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Right, put him on the forty man and then they
didn't have to. It circumvented that essentially, But I don't
I think MLB would be pretty pissed if Seattle circumvented
a you know, maybe depending on how long. I mean,
how long is this suspension going to be? Delman Young

(01:11:09):
was fifty games.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
I don't think it'll be fifty fifty like Young through it.
I got the umpire and hit him, so I think that,
But I think it'll be the rest of it. No, maybe,
I guess. I guess the PCL season goes later, but
I like two weeks something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
I think probably fifteen to twenty something like that. But
I don't that's tough.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
That's tough for the Mariners presumably use his bat, I mean, or.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
You know, just depth wise. Yeah, sure, I understand Dominic
Canzone continues to hit, but just as an option with
his glove and even uh, all right, well we'll see.
Well we'll keep track of that a little bit that
brings us toward game. All right, So we're doing AKU.
You all know it, you all love it. It's everybody's favorite,
seventh favorite podcast. Now, now you say this is pee,

(01:11:54):
but is it actually pee because in the last couple
you've just included some neighbor Look I have I'm a man,
I have whims, but in this case, no, it is
all p all right. So for those of you if
it's your first podcast, welcome and what we do. I
had list off a bunch of nicknames, and Craig and
Jeff have to figure out which player it applies to.

(01:12:17):
I have checked a few of these nicknames apply to
more than one player. None of them are of players
that you would ever possibly think of, so we should
be pretty safe on this one, all right. So we're
gonna start with.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
And also, the nicknames are not the actual player names.
Are our last names start with page, Yes, because I
will screw that up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
I will guess someone with like an age immediately. So
our first one is crazy horse.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
Jesus, Yeah, I've heard them before.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
You should both know this one. Yeah. Uh not not
wild horse. No crazy horse.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
I know that, and is it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
I believe no wild horse horse. That's why I asked. Also,
I think this one was translated from the Spanish to
give you a slight handy look. I know that it's
not It's not like NHLPA. It's all help at one
point for.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Do not remember that in the nickname at all?

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
I don't know what at all? I don't remember that
well obviously all right. Number two cakes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Cakes cakes, cake like cake.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Plural cakes, multiple cakes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Multiple cake. That's said the word guy cakes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
I'm less surprised if you guys don't get this one.
Oh okay, I was gonna say, is this the modern era?
Is it? Someone was? I tried to stick mostly to Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
This could go like a number of ways.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Obviously good cakes, but it is. It is one of
the main ways in which a player gets a nickname.
In this case, cakes, I'm gonna give him an nckey.
It's Jim Palmer. Uh, Jim Palmer was called cakes because
he no, because he just ate lots of pancakes whenever
he started a pitching starting.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Oh I remember that started. But also yeah, it's not
kinda why pancakes?

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Then it's too long, too long? Got the same one syllable.
Next one, Cobra Parker. I got Craig first on that
which holy ship? All right? Too nothing? Next one Italian.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Breakfast any Passpontina?

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Oh yeah, nice, all right, this one you won't get,
but I love it. Uh. It is American Idol. I
d l e. The American Idol.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
What what a It's a great nickname, What.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
A cool nickname. So it's gotta be relatively, be relatively
not in that reason American I's been on the air
for like twenty years now. Yeah sure, but yeah, I
mean something. I mean, you're in the two thousands. You're
in the two thousands. I mean that's reason to me.
Oh man, I'm sure it's someone who just took like

(01:15:28):
it feels to me like a Steve Traxel situation, like
a like a picture who just there's two ways. That
was one way, this is the other way. Well, I
don't answer the answer is Carl Pavano M who spent
a lot of time on thee Oh okay, yeah, sure,
all right, next one the big Maple. Oh, James Jackson. Yeah, yep, Craig,

(01:15:51):
it's the point number six. Where's the number seven? We're
on number seven already a laser show, Dustin Pedroia, I'm
gonna call that one. It's time right, all right? So
four to two Craig has a leave uh La Tormenta.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
That's before the torment nexus.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
This is a this is a good nickname. I like
this thinking I've never heard it personally, but it's a
good heard it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
But I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
I feel like the Spanish nicknames I feel like should
be more commonly used because they're cool, but they don't
because they're Spanish, and I think that's the shame. I agree.
I don't know. It is Jeremy Pania.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
That's where I've seen it. Yeah, I know, I know
I saw it before, but I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Sorry, it feels more like a reliever nickname number nine,
Captain Underpants hunter Pants. Correct, we just had it was?
That was collins name? Yeah? Yeah, there we go and
the last one freight train. I went and confirmed this one.

(01:17:12):
It's very funny to me that this player's nickname freight train,
freight train. I cannot believe that neither of you immediately
thought of the name. David Peralta. Yeah, yeah, apparently a

(01:17:33):
broadcaster just said that you ran like a freight train
and okay, yeah, okay, sure, yeah. So congratulations to Greg,
who wins this one handily five to two. I want
to as always, you know, there's there are nicknames that
you couldn't possibly know, but I do find a music.
We'll go over a couple of them. Charlie Pabor. I'm

(01:17:54):
gonna have to write an article about this guy because
this is fascinating. Charlie Pabor pitched in the eighteen seventies
and his nickname is the old woman in the red cap.
No one knows why.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Did he pitch for, like the reds or something, the legs,
red stackings whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
He did not and apparently this is a French Revolution
thing where women in the French Revolution would wear red caps,
which I assume they sowed themselves when they were telling
which people to murder. Let's see, so not murder because
it's you know, government sanchise. Whatever he pitched for, well,

(01:18:37):
he pitched for a lot of places because he was
pretty bad. But he also is and this is what
I'm gonnaend up writing about. He He was the manager
for a team in eighteen seventy five in the Union Association,
in the Brooklyn Athletics, the jumm Sorry, I just looked

(01:18:57):
up their headshots on back facebal reference. It's very funny.
One of them looks like an actual like Lione art
drawing like you'd see in the New York Times. But
the team went to The team went to and forty two,
and he as the manager, went to and forty the
one of the least successful managerial states of all time.

(01:19:17):
We don't know why he was the man the old
woman in the red cap, but he was the other one.
Martin Perez, Martin Peres. Martin Perez has tooting names. His
tooting names are eld el dig Guanare and El de
las Matas, which will both translate literally to the Man
of Guinare and the Man of Las Mantas. His nickname

(01:19:42):
is just literally the guy from here, like we can't
think of another description and anything else to add. No,
he's just he's from that place. He's just that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
It's good because he's also been from so many places,
like he can't well for a man with no roots,
it's nice for him to have roots, right, he's this
nickname is an answer to the question, who is that guy?

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Oh, he's that guy from over there. Yeah, it's not.
It's also you. On some level, it's impressive to be
from two places.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Now, it's possible this one places within another place here
recon one like it could be a city within a
regent or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
But also like that, there's no there's no one else,
No one's vying where that. You can't you know if
there were guy. Yeah, we have to look at the
Notable people section on Wikipedia to see whom Martin perez
Is is fighting with for that title. Apparently you won it.
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
I also, again no not breaking news, but I am
gonna mention this just before the pod ends. I don't
know if you saw, but Mark Burley pitched for the
Savannah Bananas or in a Savannah Bananas game.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
I feel like that's happening more and more. Yeah, it
is his review at the end, or a quote that
I'm pulling from here. This is uh, I won't be
able to wipe my ass with my arm for a
week and a half, said I said, Burley barely. I
can't talk Burley forty six, recovering with a can of

(01:21:15):
a cold can of course light in the dugout after
the game. All I'm gonna say to that is, UH,
use toilet paper, not your arm please. All right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
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