Five and Dive, Episode 486: A Podcast that Should Have Had a Meeting

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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Welcome to episode four eighty six of five and dive
in his Monday, August twenty fifth, I am your host
Krek while Stein joined as usual by Patrick Dabuk and
Jeffrey Pattern in ostro, and before we get to banter,
people might notice we had a different intro song we have.
It's gonna be a different interstitial and post pod. So

(00:50):
I don't know. Outro that's what That's what the professional
people call it. So I'm that is courtesy of a
listener of the podcast, a reader of Baseball Perspectives, Andy Matthews.
If you like it, I liked it. I reached out
to Andy and bugged him for this.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
The song is called I Can't wait for this stupid
fucking day to be over. Uh, something I think we
can all identify with. You know, I identified with the song.
I really dug it, and I reached out to Andy
and he was gracious enough to allow us to use
the song for the pod. If you like what you heard,
check out Andy Matthews music. That's on blue skybsky dot social. Yeah.

(01:33):
So we're gonna have the info in terms of credit
and stuff in the show notes, so please check it out. Uh,
and I'm I'm deeply grateful to Andy for being so
willing to let us use it. So I don't know
we can we can go over anything else on that.
If people have questions, obviously, feel free to reach out.

(01:54):
I'm excited to have you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, thank you for your attention to this matter.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
At the end of this, yeah, we do have I
have some music. We'll stick with a musical theme. I
thought about putting this in around the horn, but I'm
going to mention it here. Junior Camenaro, who's having a
very good season on Pace for over forty home runs,
has changed his walk up music to a to a

(02:22):
Drake song in honor of his impending child, A baby girl.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Boy. Is that a set of words I wasn't so
ready to have in that particular order.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
So he changed. I think it's called the songs called
like Nicola or something, And I'm not super familiar with Drake,
so of your but I guess somewhere around two minutes
to just like repeat the choruses like baby girl or something. Now,
when I hear the the the words Drake and baby girl,
that is not where I die in the fair. I

(02:56):
go I go somewhere else with that.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, well, if it's almost as if there was a
very popular song that would.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
We know that we can tell Camenaro is not hiding
another child. He is very very forthcoming with the child,
the baby girl that he has coming.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
So yeah, I did want to. I did want to
follow up. I wasn't quite done with the I shouldn't
have done. Thank you for attention to this matter because
I didn't want to do for Andy. Yeah, well, again,
I'm very appreciated.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
We're very well prepared for this because you have to
be five seconds before we started recording. Are we using
the new music? I'm like, yeah, well, I.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Wanted to make sure we were. I wanted to get
to some of the stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
I thought better if you had three days to prep
what you were going to say it to be any
of the show.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Again, I was not aware we were using it until anyway,
it would have.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Been we're going to use this for the next one
and not one.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I don't want to. I don't need to do this
on the pod, but I guess we are. Sometimes it
helps to confirm things with people instead of just assuming
because I don't know if you've heard this about assuming,
but it can go wrong. There's a whole saying built
around anyway. What I was trying to say was if
you like what you hear to our listeners. Andy does

(04:16):
have a new single coming out at the end of September.
It is a folk rock cover of ABBA's Dancing Queen,
So look forward to that, keep an eye out for that.
Thank you again to Andy, No, thank you to Jeff
and his communication. But yeah, what, Patrick, do you have
any banter you would like to get to.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
I slept on the floor last night. Oh my god,
all right, so one of my kids came downstairs and
fell asleep on the couch while I was working, and
you know, I know which one, and yeah, you know
which one, but then you also know which is the
other one also came downstairs and fell asleep on the
other couch. So I worked late last night. It was

(04:58):
like one o'clock before I was finished. But by the
time I was finished, both children are having separate nightmares.
Both came downstairs and slept on different couches. We have
two couches in that room, which is you know, perhaps
one more couch than ordinarily you might find in the
failure room. For me, maybe some people. But also the

(05:18):
problem is we did not have three couches and my kids,
both my kids were like, no, I want you to stay,
and I was like and no, no, look, look, no. Look.
The thing is that if they'd done this at eleven,
I would have said no, And if they did this
at twelve, I would have said no. But at one
I was like, you know what, who cares?

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
I was so tired that I was like, you know
what that means? I don't have to walk upstairs. So
I just kind of like laid on the floor and
I'm fine.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
I don't know, I'm fine.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Now I am going camping in like three days, so
you know, this is just just prep. Yeah, this is
just prep toughing myself up for the camping. But yeah,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
I also, if they came down and fell asleep on
the couch, how are they asking you.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Because they won't because they kept waking up because they
kept having nightmares even after the nightmare.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
That you want to stop haunting your children, they then
they won't have nightmares.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
I that is an entirely separate issue which requires its own,
like full section of a pod.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Spending your days devising plans to haunt your children at
night and terrify them.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I don't understand horror as a basic concept.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I don't find kids around night of Rosemary's Baby.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
When you say as a concept, do you mean like
you don't understand anybody?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Don't mean like media. I don't understand why anybody. I
don't understand why anybody makes it. I don't understand why
anybody like.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Subject?

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Is it a thrill?

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I don't. I don't know. I I can't. I'm with you.
I've long said like, oh, I don't watch scary movies,
and people be like why, and I'm like, well, they
scare me. Yeah, I don't enjoy being scared.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I have aged past even reading synopsis of horror movies
on Wikipedia because I like not because I get scared
from them, but like, I just don't feel I don't
get any reward out of them. I just don't. I
don't get it. Anyway, we don't have to talk about
it here. I'm just I'm fine. I'm I might be
a little like ten percent enough, but I'm the.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Smoothest intro to a podcast of all time. People are saying,
should we go to our round.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Running this week?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Well, I clearly have an excuse, I don't know what
you agree, So all right, Craig, Yeah, let's talk about
some baseball.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
We'll go to our first segment. It's called Better Luck Tomorrow.
I know everyone's immediately gone to Justin Lynn's first film.
I know I did. I didn't get informed of that
before the podcast or anything pre communicated. Jeff wanted to
run down some teams who aren't in it this year.
I mean, there, I guess peripher early in it this year,

(08:01):
but uh, with a little luck, with a little uh
less misfortune, might be in it next year. Is that
a fair sure?

Speaker 3 (08:10):
This is like I know we're doing like the atop
team autopsies and things. This is not sure and the
body is not cold here yet.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
But yes, we have not done any of these. I'll
just it's honestly, this year has broken down in a
weird way that like it's uncomfortable to do.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
And I tried to, like we've talked a fair bit
about like the Rangers and the Twins, so I didn't
feel the need to include them. Really mm hmm, So
I'm trying to teams we haven't talked about.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
It, so right, so we have here, we have four teams.
I guess we could just go in order. Well, do
you want to start with the Giants?

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, I mean we can kind of the Giants and
the Diamondbacks. We can kind of combine the two. Sure,
they're kind of in like different spots or all. I mean, obviously,
the Diamondbacks just missed the playoffs last year and went
to the World Series the year before. Well, the Giants
are in transition, I guess, different kind of transition than time.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
The same team. This is like, this is I guess
they're not five hundred, they're five games under at this point, but.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
I meant they have the same record. But it's not like,
you know, yeah, this isn't like the Angels, who also
have about this record but are just going to inextricably
be the Angels, which is why they're.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah yeah, why talk about it?

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, like the Giants. So it's buster Posey's first season. Obviously,
I don't if you were going to review, Yeah, it's like, right,
what would you.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
They like?

Speaker 3 (09:32):
What has he really put his stamp on?

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Right?

Speaker 3 (09:35):
He signed Willia Damas, who was awful for the first
two months, but it has been.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
He's up to a one one ops plus.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, this is also like you know, a thirty year
old shortstop, and this might be the best. You know,
you would hoping this is going to be like right.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
For his age twenty nine season, you're certainly hoping for.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
More, right, but this stuff happens. He traded for or
Rafaeld Evers and Rafael Devers's contract probably more.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Who is more the.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Point who has like has not been again has not
been bad for them?

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Right, he's a really bad start.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
He also start, he's up to a sixteen, So yeah,
again it's it's that it's a seven forty six. Oh ps.
That park is a lot harder to hit in than Fenway,
especially for lefties, So yeah, it's and you're right, the

(10:34):
rest of this is just the Giants. This is the Giants.
This is Patrick Bailey, this.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Is we can also put Matt Chapman on Buster Posey's ledger.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Since yeah, he did supposedly negotiate the deal. So right,
and again, like Matt Chapman had the good first year
of that big contract extension, right, Like he's basically had
the Matt Chapman's It's not quite as good as last year,
but he's basically had the Matt Chapman season. He's some time.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yes, you know, like you.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Look like like Jung Hulee again, like okay, yeah, as
good as last year, not all star level, but has
been like fine at the plate at least. You know,
there's gonna be some turnover, right, like Mike just Stremski
they traded when we're Flores is a free agent at

(11:26):
the end of the year. You know, they brought in
some you know, stop gap guys like Dominic Smith, so
they're gonna turn over a fair bit, like you know,
La motte Wade obviously, like they've had some first base
is now settled because they have devors, you know, you
might You're probably gonna see Bryce Eldridge next year, so
they are going to have to move some guys around. Obviously,

(11:46):
they traded some relievers for prospect help and some of
your term prospect help like Drew Gilberts already up. But
I don't it's it's difficult to review because he hasn't.
I hated his draft, I guess I'll say that. But yea,
Robbie Ray is a free agent at the end of
the season too, is ay this was the last year
on that deal.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Uh, yes, there's he's.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Got more here, Okay, like Verlander, like they're gonna have
to replace the innings.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, I mean is certainly a negative.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, right, but like that's also not you know, it's
I don't know what the intention was for. Like Posey
didn't do the things where you come in and kind
of do the reset.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Right, yeah, or figure out what you have, right, he.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Didn't really do either. Like he aggressively went on the
free agency and trade market to bring into star level
players and a domins En Deavors, right, you know he
got I did get Devors to take his money, but
he took Devers money on and they have gotten you know,
they got maybe a typical Logan Web season all in all,

(12:57):
but they've got like a really good year from Robbie Ray.
I don't know that's going to happen again. Yeah, they've
gotten twenty two league average starts from Landed Group. I
don't know if that's going to happen again. They're yeah,
and they're not. They're probably not going to get the
Eric Miller and Randy Rodriguez seasons again. Eric Miller, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Mean, and and and look, I don't know, you know
how how you want to rate the return. But obviously
traded Camula devall. Does he get any credit for looking
at what this.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Team was ires right up until the Mets swept them,
is the thing? And I guess that that happens, right,
So it was.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Pivoted. I mean, like it's almost damning with grace because like, right,
I don't know, all year we kept saying.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
There's a lot of a you know, there's a team,
isn't it. But there's a lot of talk and like
you know, the anti analytics, I scaley, we're gonna go
find some We're gonna send our old skin out was
to find some baseball players. Kind of rhetoric that really
hasn't played out yet played out a little bit in
the draft, I guess, but that kind of stuff doesn't

(14:10):
show up until three or five years down the line, right,
And he dug over basically a five hundred team and
bade them around a five hundred tea, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
I mean, well a fair amount under at this point obviously.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
I guess the problem is, like there's a lot of
long term financial commitments now with Chapman a Dominus endeavors.
So like those are moves you all make if you
think the window is now, right, Yeah, And I.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Think you're I think the window is now because like
I mean, it is game. But like Logan, the other
part of the guy we haven't mentioned because he's just
continued he honestly has gotten better, is Logan Webb. He's
striking guys out now and he's entering his age twenty
nine season, and like the likelihood that he's just going

(14:57):
to keep going at this pace forever with this many
innans is.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Pretty much he's locked up through twenty twenty eight. So
they have, you know, and it's not a lot of
like again, they don't have to worry about giving him
a big money extension. So like he's locked in at
a fairly decent cost control probably I mean, very cheap
for what he's producing right now.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Obviously, Yeah, it jumps up starting next year.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
He's ready in this season.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Four, but it's it's very cheap for what he does.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, So it's not like stopping them from doing other things.
They're going to need to bring in more pitching and
like the top the top of the system, the upper
Miners is not great right now outside of Eldridge, So
I don't again, it takes like a year, right whenever
you take over a team, whether you're buster post here,
David Stearns or uh, you know it's me. You're coming

(15:51):
in from the outside. You're not you know, Chris Gets
or Chris Young.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I guess which he both was and wasn't. Is that's
the yeah, I guess.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
But they also has no executive experience, right for I know,
he's like on the board of directors or whatever, but
but it still like takes a year to like he's
familiar with the org, but it still takes a year
to kind of really get your people in and get
you know, this off season. I think the test like
does he go out and trade like Johnny Level and
Joshua Gonzales and like a win now trade for somebody

(16:20):
because they have low miners guys.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Right right right?

Speaker 3 (16:23):
So I don't, like, I don't I haven't seen. I don't.
I can't judge it because I haven't seen like the
posiness of it all yet.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I think we're talking about next year. I mean basically
it comes down to two things. One, Patrick Bailey has
a sixty four o ps plus. Yeah, he is still valuable,
and will he be valuable next year? Like we don't know.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
I mean, like he can't hit any worse right, like.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
You can't hit any worse well, and we're getting challenges,
We're getting challenges, and like what will well, that will
he will still be able to frame? Yes, yeah, like
he will be able to frame somewhat less, Like we
don't know how much he left yet, but like given
that is literally everything he is doing at this point,
Like that's a concern. The rest of the line is if.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
It just shaves off you know, ten rons, Yeah, that's
very valuable.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, that's half his runs. So the rest of the lineup,
like you know, assuming Eldrich comes up and Devors goes
to d H you know.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Or Evers plays first and Eldris goes to D whichever.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Was the case. You know, with Schmid is like fine.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
He's useful, he can play a bunch of He is
better than.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
I thought he would be at this point. Like he's
actually walking now. I don't know how it happened.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I mean he walked like in the mic like it
was very weird. Did not stock it all.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, it's very weird.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Like he wasn't one so but like he could take
a balk.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, this is this is I think that with Eldridge,
assuming they make something like they're probably gonna patch second base.
This is this is a wild card level offense. Like
I think this is a contending ish. Sure they will
with health, with health, with it's really going to come
down to the pitching, because they've got web Ray.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
And then maybe really here's here's another thing on on
Ray is that he leads the league and walks aloud.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
I mean, it's Robbie Ray.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Some well, some of that is a function. He's thrown
a lot of Indians and right.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's like it's like it's under a ten percent walk rate.
He's just pitched a lot, but.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
His FIP is like three nine. Yeah, sure, like we're
getting some overperformance here. But like so so I think
if you're looking at next year, sorry go ahead.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
No, it's just it's some guess Ray is probably going
to decline to a certain extent. But at some point
they need they have two and a half starters right now,
and uh, bird Song, wasn't that like one of they
need somebody They could of course they it's the Giants.
They could just sign more of Verlanders and maybe get one.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Right, Yeah, I don't know what their budget is. They
get signed on right, that's what they need to.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Do they're going to need to.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
It doesn't seem like imagine imagine catching a series with
you go to a series and you get Robbie Ray
and Dylan Ce's.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
It'd be pretty good. Yeah, I think that they'll I
think they'll be right next year. I don't know whether
they should be. I think it's fair to be like
where they did, were they really did? They deserve to
try and make this run.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
But it's like difficult to think because like it's very
difficult to look at this roster right and be like,
obviously they're going to get a full season endeavors in
their first first race was a black hole before he
came in. M h. You'll probably see Eldridge. I think
he'll be good when he comes up, but it might
look more like Tyler Soderstrom level good the first year. Right,

(19:52):
it's hard to see where like the steps forward are
coming from. And they're six hundred, five hundred in the analyst, right,
like it's in that division.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
It's and I'm the Angels in the National League.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
And they're not there yet yesterday.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
That feels really mean. But like the thing is like
the Angels like should be five hundred ish and are
often significantly below where the Giants have been five.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
I guess is the way.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, maybe this year's Angels, But like I to your
point in the pitching, like it's a lot of pitching
to backfill at this point. And I know, and obviously
like Randy Rodriguez has been great and Ryan Walker's is fine. Yeah,
that's just that's just the bullpen. But like there's several
rotation spots and then a fair amount of bullpen spots
need to be filled in too. And I know that's

(20:49):
not you don't have to play in your your entire
offseason around that, right, but it's you're gonna need to
find those guys too. I don't know, it just I
don't know. I'm looking at this and you're right, like
if you add Aldridge and a full year of Devors
and if Schmid could be around this, you know, like

(21:09):
even Hellia Ramos is not last year, but he's been fine. Right,
You're finding out more about jun Lee and it's fine.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
It's fine, right, Like they're paying This is a this
is not.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
It's not a bad line up depth wise, but there's
a very I guess you have to rely on Devors
to be the ceiling.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, they don't. Just likes can be that, but they don't.
And they're obviously warning signs and devors underlying data last
year years too. But again, it's like a tough part
to hit, right, Like there's a thirty Barry Bonds thirty
home run, it's not even a fun fact at this point. Uh,
So they have to find other ways to score runs.
But they also like offense isn't bad, right, it's not back.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
But if anyone gets hurt, Yeah, there's no one to
step in right Like that, that's the part to me
that makes it tough. Uh we spent a long time
on the Giants. You said we could group the d Backs.
We didn't, so so I don't know. Yeah, I mean,
let's talk about Arizona at this point.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
The Diamondbacks got a lot of pitching. They have a
lot of pitching. It feel like the obviously already traded
Kelly Gallen is going to be a free agent. But
Craig will do it. It's about time you've done it in
a while. Within a point point two five e r A.
What is Brandon Fott's current.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
I will tell you. I just I just pulled up
the Diamondbacks page. I didn't I saw his name, I
did not look at it.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
I did so, Yeah, I think it's higher than normal.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Four point seven.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Two wow, four point nine to five barely got it?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Oh say you.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Say it's higher than normal. He has a career five
point oh two r A okay, well, and he's forty
five million?

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Has he been five? The whole time I thought we
were like in the four point two five was like
our flat line.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
It was like he was bad at the end of
last year. So I went up to four point seven
to one in four. Okay, y, like four point two
five is the usual thought line.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I'm counting it. That's fine. No, you're like there, but itccounts. Yeah, yeah,
I'll take.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
His strikeout rate has gone from nine per nine to
seven per nine, which is not great. And yeah, yeah
he'll be here. Ryan Nelson has been quite good since. Yeah,
Eduardo Rodriguez is still around, but they're in a weird
spot too.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
More damage than than good.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Heraldo of her demo best short stopped and baseball as
we know is he still having good He still he's
actually he's like he's warmed up. Yeah, it's always it's
very funny because god, this this team bunks.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
As they dated. He's completely like, no one even paid.
I don't even hear about him anymore. And he's been better.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah prodemo in August three, fifty eight, four eighty five,
sixty eight were of the best hitters in baseball.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Good for him, yep, good for him. He's almost at
five war Yeah, unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
They might be Marte though, Yeah, so that's it. They
might have for place to tell Marte as well.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah yeah, I mean theoretically they'll replace something with him, right, like, yeah, yes, that's.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
They said they're cut.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
They said they're cutting salary. Yeah, so, I mean they
have already to It is that they've got a lot
of money coming up the books. It's not not making
that much, but it's like twenty million, I think fifteen twenty. Yeah.
I guess we're not even to the back end of
that contract yet.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
But yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
I did want to look up, like, has Jordans Lawler
been playing? No, there's playing Blaize Alexander.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
They're playing Blaize Alexander.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yes, Like, I don't understand how you trade Heno Suarez
and no, it's a lost season.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
And then they don't because he might actually be hurt again.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Oh is he okay?

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I think he might be hurt of that would that
would be but like, yeah, I mean they have had
opportunities to like that again. This is very much okay.
Also just seem to show you what they think about
a player. Don't think burn Lawler is a major league
starter right now?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
So tel March's contract extension started. Yeah, so they're treating him.
They're trading five years, yes, at which I mean it's
it's fifteen million in twenty twenty six, it's twelve in
twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, I mean they're going to get back just so
that relationship has soured there. So Lawler missed like two months,
but he's been back for a week or so. I
was suspect Joel see him Ineptember. Maybe, Yeah, he's not
anyways the majors, Yes, the September in the majors, Like.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
On the bench, I know, the bench. When the camera
pans passed, you'll spot in. Yeah weird.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, I don't know what I don't.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
So, but let's let's go back to the premise here.
How do you feel about this team for twenty twenty six?

Speaker 3 (26:24):
I think it might be worse than the Giants. I
don't like they should have enough. Like obviously Corbyn Carrel
is really good. I don't know again, like what are
you getting? You're getting a five win season from Geraldo
Perdomo and you're under five hundred, Like.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, I mean the pitching absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
The pitching is I don't know where it's coming from,
especially if they're not if they're not cutting peril, I
don't think they're adding a significant amount of payrol.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, I mean they are. They they got this year
and obviously Suarez isn't here anymore. But they got five
I'm just a reference for five wins from Perdmo, three
point three from Suarez, four point two thus far from
Corbyn Carrol, and another four from Titel Marte. Yeah, that's

(27:13):
an insane but that's.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's also like the total of their war for Yes,
that's everything, right.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, basically they traded Josh Naylor, who's like their only
other person.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, I didn't include him in the war because he's
at under one war for them, which seems really.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
The great defender. But no, but yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
That seemed low to me. But but yeah, I mean
they got they have a one point two win season
from Blaize Alexander in forty four games.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
You know, Gabriel Moreno was hurt again and like he
was good when he was playing, but yeah, man, he's
he just gets hurt against happened with the catchers.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Obviously, Peven Smith was fine with the bat but the
DH penalty kills his value, so to speak. But like
that's I mean, he.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Might end up playing some first base. They also for
Tyler Locklear, who has been bad.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
I was going to say since and it's exactly the
quality of of what he was doing in Seattle, which
is atrocious. Yeah, I don't know that you're wrong to
say worse than the Giants, but that feels so weird
this sun like to me, like I I think.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
The Giants will spend for players that will make them
better next year in a way I don't like. I
don't think it'll it's going to come home to roost
for San Francisco probably fairly soon.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, but I.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Don't like what is where is the where's the pitching
coming from? They look they really need to go back.
They really need to bring back now Bil Christmas, Like
I'm not even doing a bid here.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
There was I think there was an hour by the way,
that's just a huge hour for this podcast. Yeah, in
that uh bil Chrismot Wander, Suero and uh uh Erasmo
Ramirez were all on a roster and then they cut.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
And as far it was like the alternate.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah right, yeah, Patrick, both Patrick's guys. Yeah, brutal, brutal.
Uh Yeah. I don't know that I disagree. I mean,
so much is going to depend on what they actually do.
But to your point, Jeff, like Ken Kendrick will make
a move for Corbyn, Carroll or you know Has Has.

(29:31):
I don't like the guy, but he has spent for
Corbyn Carroll, he spent for Jordan Montgomery, he spent for
Eduardo Rodriguez. They didn't go well, right like, it didn't
pan out, But.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
I don't know that possibly because they didn't pan out.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Well right well.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
And he also he's done that before, right, he spent
for Zach Granky and then stop. Yeah, and I do
I do agree that it's possible he might just stop.
And you know, into I don't know that they have
the piece that I'm not as familiar with their system
as you are, but like, I don't think they they
don't do it without.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
In the liners right now, Like.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
I mean, maybe that's the argument for a catel Marte trade,
right if you can get a haul and fill you.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Get back like you know, if you tread, then you know,
if you trade him to the Mets for Jet Williams,
like a Jet Williams Brandon Sprout lead package, then yeah,
you put those guys right and.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Then you get you right, You've you've gotten another piece.
I guess Williams can play second, right. I don't think
they've talked about him in center too, but like, uh,
second and you get a picture, yeah, and you maybe
save some you save some money, right you know, like
maybe you throw that at a third piece, you get
three pieces for one and it's and also by the way,
you have like I presume they're gonna play Jordan Waller

(30:51):
at some.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Point, Well are they?

Speaker 1 (30:53):
I don't know, but I presume they will, right, So
like maybe, but I'm saying this is how you you
talk yourself into something on the shirt. But I don't know. Uh,
let's go to the Cardinals.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, Cardinals, man, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
I will say it. I feel like I've been high
on them. That's because of the floor that they've offered,
and I think they do have this floor.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
I think they're at their floor.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, so I guess the optimism to me would be
you are handing the reins to Hind Bloom and may
sure anyone in Boston is maybe going to roll their
eyes at that, But compared to what we've seen in
the last three years of the John Moselac, Mike gersh
led front office and I don't know Girsh stays or whatever,

(31:39):
but I think you have to view that as a
positive that you're that you're having, especially because he has
helped the farm system in his year year and change there.
I feel like we're going to say this a lot,
but like I don't know where the pitching is necessarily
have the some options, yeah, yeah, but but what michaelis

(32:04):
has done, right, Yeah, that's that's that's right, that's subtraction. Right.
They probably want to trade Sonny Gray.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
I wonder if Bloom's going to do more of a
full reset than.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
The Giant and get right. It's funny that Andree has
basically just become the new Miles Speakers, Like he had
a great start to the season and now he's back
to six strikeouts for nine.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
And he's probably just another bridge really bridge along later,
like he's kind of miscast as a starter. And again
they have a lot of a lot of like three
win players on this roster. But I don't know, like
where the star is coming from.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Right, Well, it's probably not Jordan Walker at this point.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
It's probably not he's been better to the game back up,
but probably not Jordan Walker this point.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, I was. I was very excited about Victor Scott,
who's been the enough passively to rack off a couple
of wins, but not good offensively.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
He's having the Jacob Young season. I don't know if
that's the complement of your derogatory.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
It's it's not to me.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
I think it's derogatory in this game. I think there's
a lot especially Jacob Young.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
But yeah, defense but yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Well no, but he's been worth essentially he's Patrick He's
got a seventy seven ops plus and been worth two wins. Yes,
it's good now when Jacob Young is literally the best
defender the last year was the best diventor baseball. Victor
Scott is good, Like, Yeah, there's Mason Win obviously not
having a.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Like me again, this is maybe a little less power.
He got off to a bad start himself and rest
some time. But I think this time that Mason win
is like again an above average gonna.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Be around three wins by the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, that's why I think it's like a three four
win defense first shortstop that can you know, bat at
the bottom of your order, but help you. Like he's
not a zero by any stretch of the imagination. Donovan
has kind of settled back after a really hot start,
has settled back into the Yeah Brendan Donovan season, and again,
nice player to have on your roster as your six
or seventh best regular. He's been their best regular.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, I mean what they need is a full a
full ish whatever a full season of von Herrera constitutes.
I don't know what that is because he's the catcher
and yeah, but in terms of their bat, like you're
you're upside with your bat in this lineup is William
contre Sorry everything, Wilson Contreras, excuse me? Who is hitting

(34:32):
enough to be a first baseman?

Speaker 3 (34:33):
But again, season right, so a three win season, right.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Part of that is the defensive adjustment, and I understand
I'm not trying to wave that off, but like the
bat is is there and then uh and then Herrera.
Those are those are the you know they can somehow
we're in what year? Are we in a the Nolan
Gorman experiment and we don't know. I mean, he's the

(34:58):
same thing.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
He's got a he's like one if you like looked
at his month by month's flips. They're all over the place.
They've got to be like you like the rolling thirty
game average and it's just like my e KG watching
the Wednesday playoff final basically.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
But but yeah, I mean, I just I.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Mean the answer is is JJ Weatherhill comes up and
win's Rookie of the Year next year. Okay, which he might.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
You mean that's the upside.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah, okay, you put him.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
And the other part, like a whole reset is they
can't really go to the stunts. They've got a lot
of guys that are ready or should be ready to
come up next year, right Like this has been a
little bit of a lost fair amount of a lost
year for Quinn Matthews.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Yeah, but it's back, Yeah of late.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
You're well, Ruby's always hurt, but you're gonna have to
stick him in the majors to fire the bullets that
he has at some point, right.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
I mean, I believe he's having so next year that
Tommy John's not. I didn't realize it, but I think
it's it's some sort of elbow surgery whatever. They're all
Tommy John, even if it's like a brace or whatever,
he's gonna miss. I would assume pretty much all he
wanted Tommy John surgery, literally Tommy John surgery kind of.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
But yeah, I I don't know. But hence right, yes,
But my point is like he's gonna have to come
up to the me. They're just gonna have to use
it because he doesn't stay on the field enough to
do the development part of it, right, like.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
And like they have like like McGreevey's looked all right,
it's not really Yeah, he's not really a guy you're
gonna want. That's the other thing, Like, I don't know,
it's very difficult to find the way like out of it.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Right, they don't have well, how many years has it
been since Mazelliac was like we need pitchers who can
strike batners out, like eighteen months? Yeah, well they haven't
had it yet. Sunny Gray is the only one, and like.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Libert Hohor was another guy who had like a great
first half and then it seems like they least kind
of figured him out again.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, when you don't have an outpitch, like, yeah, it's
kind of what happens. And like I think this is
again like this team. I think this is a team
that probably runs back and has a wild card in them,
but it feels like until they figure out that pitching thing,
it's just that's the ceiling. Yeah, Like we're talking about
a lot of teams that could be eighty seven wins
and that's yes.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
And look that might be like we're gonna talk about
the NL wildcard in a second and that might be enough.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah. And lastly, in this section, the race.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Yeah, I want to talk with the race because they
got new ownership. They have a new old stadium for
next year. It looks like they're gonna be they're putting
the roof panels on, so he's paying for it. I
don't know who?

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Oh is that is that? Right?

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah, they're back at the Trot. There was a picture
there's a picture of actual construction, unlike whatever's happening in Vegas.
And you look at this team and this is the
other team's kind of in they're always in transition because
they'll just make any trade at any moment. Like the
people you like, who are the guaranteed rays for like
next year? Well, I think, oh yeah, that's the obvious one.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Probably probably the pictures that are too hurt or unreliable
to trade.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
I think DA probably.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Carson Williams in the run now, probably there next year.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
I don't think I thought they might have traded Brandon
Low this year. This could easily be out.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
I mean has I assume they will pick up, but
they might pick it up just to trade. It's who's
options sorry Brandon Low?

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah, right know, But I think he's right. I think
they might trade. It is more not.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, And that's the thing is like shamee bos Like,
you can't trade him right now unless you just give
up like they did with with with Toash Bradley.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
You know we can go either way. You could either
trade because he's too good, you could trade him because
he's too bad, and the race can do either one.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, I mean I don't think you can count on
any of the pictures to necessarily be back like you
would think Drew Rasmussen. But like would they trade Drew
Drew Rasmussen in a heartbeat. They would if they got
the deal. Ryan Peppio probably back and he's still cheap,
so probably back.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
After that, they already traded Zach Lettel Bradley, so again
they got to replace these innings. That will not be
a problem for.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
The Griffin Jacks will probably be here next year given
given the trade, but and that he's not expensive yet.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
But Joe Boyle has made six starts for them and
has the most Joe Boyle.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Yeah, throwing it down in the middle has not helped
Joe Boyle throat strikes.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
They optioned him down yeah, uh, just recently.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
As a long reliever. They might want to try him
as more of a bulk guy or five and dive guy.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Well, he's listed in the starting rotation on roster resource.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Maybe they're going to the start. That's I've always liked
the n Seymour. But again, he's that kind of like
three point seven e r a bulk five inning starter,
which look they need.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, and look I know that they were in it
a fair amount of this year. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Sure, but they're they're always They're never.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
No, no, I'm not saying they're going to be bad,
but I don't believe absent, you know, another step forward
from Kevin Arrow, which I'm not rum. I like, I
don't know where it comes.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Walks a little more and doesn't around for twenty seven
double plays.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
But where where is? Where is the growth going to
come from?

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Right?

Speaker 1 (41:00):
He spent we spent the first half of this year,
maybe more talking about how they were insanely durable in
the rotation, right that they were getting these these innings
and starts from these guys and look that hasn't held,

(41:20):
which was I think it's like, but I don't think
you would predict it for next year either.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
No, you wouldn't. They were getting under six innings per
start when they were leading the league. That the rest
of the league has just come to the Rays basically there.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
But I'm just saying even but they were always kind
of pushing the forefront, and they were, you know, in
terms of going that direction. I just I don't know.
I looked at this team the whole year and thought,
no way, Like you're starting like you're playing Jake Mangum
and Chandler Simpson a lot. I'm sorry, but no. Tristan

(41:53):
Gray continues to have a roster spot consistently these guys
are not good enough. They're not They're not good enough,
and like, I don't know, I don't know how you
guys feel it is Jonathan Randa another one.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
For ops, probably not plus I think he's like a
next year.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
He's a good hitter. I'm not trying to knock him,
but that's there. I don't think where the offense is
going to come from.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Steve Bowman wrote an article about the race recently and
about where they stand, and I think one of the
points he made it was interesting to me is that
they just they haven't hit on a star, and like
they keep having these near stars. Diaz was almost a star.
Kevin Arrow at this point could be a star, but

(42:40):
right now he looks like, you know, an all star,
like a like Eva long Woria seems to be the
ceiling for the kind of player that they've been able
to below right he.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Which is face so that he was talking about like
face of the franchis, yes, which I you know, I
talked to him about before he wrote this, and I said, like, well,
they don't ever have that because they don't keep him.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
But like they also have not been able to develop
an untradable star, right, like which.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
You have to raise Yeah, I mean it.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Lift a boulder that's too heavy.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I mean like, yeah, it traded a star who turned
out to be unabatable. They haven't traded endeavors away just
for the sake.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Well, I mean the guy I kept saying to Steve
was David Price. Yeah, I mean they did right, Like
David Price could have been a lifelong right, and it
would have been he would.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Have been one of the end up getting from two
andy million.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
No, no, they weren't. Well. Also, like the the skeleton
in the closet, there is that it was Wander Fronco. Right,
they did that, and it like, yeah, you know, we
don't need to cover that ground, but that that is
the guy that they it seemed like they were going
to do this with and and but my point is,

(43:52):
and I'm not saying they should, I'm not saying they
were wrong to trade Price or whatever, but my point
is if they weren't the Rays, they could have made
David Price their Clayton Kershaw right or whatever. And I'm
sorry for bringing up a daughter, not the section, but
but you know, just the guy for life, and it
would have been maybe not so great towards the end

(44:16):
as they often are. But that's not he would have
been the face of the franchise for a very long time, right,
Like that would have been the thing. But they I
was kind of saying to him, like you, they don't
even usually drag it out that long, right, Like they
don't give guys five plus years. They tend to I'm

(44:38):
not obviously has been there for a while and all
of that, but like they tend to do three, three
and change, right, or the guys who get to five
years are Tyler Glass now who missed two and a
half of the five years because of it, They.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Give him a weird extension extension.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
And deal him when the when the money comes, right,
like right, So I don't I don't know. I'm sorry
if I interrupted, But.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Well, they's the same same race time, same race channel
the next year, probably.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, different players, like ye, I think I And look,
I don't mean this to sound derogatory. I think I
think they're in a bit of a downswing, which means they're.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Like Fringe getting setting harder to just do the rays
stuff and get away with it.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
That's true because.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Like all like the Orioles had their run where they
were doing. I mean I don't even know what I
mean when I say race stuff. I think you don't.
But like the efficiency development, edges, ops, edges, stuff like
that just by itself, right, right, you know, the Orioles
did this and they were better because they had their
their they developed Gunner Henderson, right, that's the that's the

(45:52):
difference really, and they clustered these guys coming up at
the same time the race haven't had.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
That the top of the organ picking at the top
of the draft.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
But they're always also moving pieces, even in the minors.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yeah, right, yeah, Patrick, Do you want anything else? All right?
I think we went long on that. Let's take a
break and we'll be back with that. Welcome back to

(46:40):
episode four hundred and eighty six of five and Dive.
We are on segment two. Ooh, baby, baby, it's a
wild card. Another that one. I didn't know. We didn't
have to clear that up before the show. Jeffrey, your
Mets and the rats, I don't we don't. Yeah for

(47:01):
one spot, is that what we're looking at?

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Here?

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Aus what we're looking at. I think the two n
West teams and the cubs have separated enough now.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
We just said goodbye to the next three teams in
the NL.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
So yes, yes, all of them are under five hundred
at this point, I believe. And yeah, the look, the
Mets took two out of three in Atlanta, which is
a place that gives them Audisa over the years. So
they have a game and a half lead. You know,
they picked up a game on the Reds.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Like the Big Series. We're not doing what to watch
but Big Series Dodgers, Reds, Dodgers.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Reds and Mets. Our Mets do play the Reds still
in September, so that's going to be That's a bit
they also want to watch. I I don't know what
we have in them today for playoff odds. I assume
it's around eighty percent for the Mets.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
But which them?

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Are we talking talking about us?

Speaker 2 (47:55):
The mat the Mets are.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
That feels high, but it does well the Reds. Pakota
is going the Reds have basically played as a five
hundred team.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Pakoda is going to see them.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
It's probably around a five hundred team.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
And this is your answer. Pakoda has the simmed wins
and losses are eighty seven and seventy five for the
Mets and eighty one and a half and eighty a
half does not like.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
The red starters.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
No, I get that to an extent. But even if
you think that's a little like, it feels more like
the Mets have to come back to the Reds and
the Rens will run down the Mets, which might happen
given the way the Mets are playing right now, but
it does feel like that to me. And look, the
Reds can do it. They have three games against the Mets.
They control their own destiny right in that way, as

(48:48):
much as you can say that anything thirty games out
from the end of the season. The Mets one advantage
that they have bullets to fire. They fired Nolan MacLean.
Sounds like they might fire jonahs Hong this week. So
you know, Carson Bench has been dealing with on the
eye out because he got hit in the tricep. But
if he's back and they decide, you know, they can't
don't want to play Cedric Mullins and center anymore.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
I think I think I saw Jarrett say this, but like,
why not They're firing. They're looking at firing a lot
of I know Bench is not, but firing and the
pitching bullets, Yeah, why not? Jet Williams And I mean
centerfield has been a problem it is.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
I don't Williams. I think they're playing Williams in center more.
I don't know if they actually see like I don't
know if they want him to come up and play a
major league center field down the stretch given his level
of experience or you know, Ben has been a center
fielder outfielder his whole amateur pro career. Such as it is,
so I think that does and I don't think they're
going to do that. Like there, they still won't play

(49:50):
Cedric Mullins and left over Tyrone Taylor even when they're
in the same game, which might have cost them the
game on Sunday. So that's just the Mendoza's gonna be
very veteran deferential. So I don't I don't know if
they want to give him Bene if he's not going
to play him every day, same with Williams, right like
I don't like Batty, like Bientos has been hotter lately.

(50:12):
Batty's settled in is kind of like a ten percent
better than league average hitter that you need to sit
against left good lefties. I don't know why Ronnie Maricio
is still on this team, but that's a separate issue,
and look, that would open up at bats for Williams,
I think because Williams is a much better right handed
hitter than Ronnie Mauricio is. Most people are that play

(50:34):
professional baseball and can play kind of similar positions with
some outfeel flex So but I think they're probably just
going to run out. They run out. Obviously, Alvarez looks
like he's gonna be out for probably the rest of
the season, so they've got the Luis Torrenz Hayden Singer
catching time. They did sign Ali Sanchez to a minor

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league deal, so you might see I'm thrilled. Look again,
I think they're probably a three to one to beat
the Reds out the rest of the way. But again,
like I say that like on its face and on paper,
but they still play each other three times, right, that's
gonna yeah, right, you're just gonna swing things. Oh, it's
gonna swing.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I again, I apologize for for grouping and the Dodgers,
but I just think there are a lot of similarities
between them and the Mets in terms of you look
at this team, and I mean the Mets to be clear,
and obviously you're down. Look, Alvarez had gotten his ops
plus on the season up till one twenty five before
the internet again, but but you take that out, but

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still you look Alonso's one forty, Lindor is one twenty six,
Nimo's one seventeen, Soto's one fifty two. Marte yeah, is
one thirty three. And I know it's not all full time, right,
I guess McNeil one thirty Yeah, right, this is a
good right lineup they've had. It's never all at once,
and it's like.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Never at once, and they've had bottom of the league
sequencing and performance with runers and squaing stition. Yeah, and
it's it's therefore there four wins below their base runs
or something. Yeah, they had those like four wins, you'd
be like, Okay, it's kind of been a disappointing season,
but they're.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
But they'd be so far clear of the Reds.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
They be clear of the Reds, and they'd be right
there with like this would be if there are four
games better they do, Yeah, the Phillies and too Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
I I I yeah, I just like it is. It's
one of those things where it's like they're they're good,
but they're not good.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
I say it is out there like every week now,
like this is not interesting to analyze, like it's very
It's just it's just bad. It's bad luck. And look
there's some bad here too, Like their hitting processes suck,
but yeah, we know that, Like they have hitters that
are good enough, like Alonzo and Sodo and Lindor too,

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that are either doing that hitting for like Soto has
always been this kind of hitter. It's probably even more
leaning more into it than he should be this year.
But Alonzo Lindora are good enough to just hit like
Mark Fiano's isn't It wasn't like yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
As far as the Reds go, I mean Patrick, you
said dra doesn't like they're they're they're pitching staff. Really
it's not just the starters. But right, it does love
Nick Ladolo. Well it doesn't three D.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Yeah, like you look at it and.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
It likes Hunter Green. It hasn't always is out of
ninety two. I know, he's just he just came back.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
But and look they traded for Ltel. This is like, yeah,
pound for pound, like Nick Martinez, they're generally putting out
a better starting pitcher at least, I don't know how
much you want to factor in true talent versus twenty
twenty five performance, then the match every day at this point,
especially if Shank and I continue to pitch like this.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yeah, so that's there.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Look, they have hitters.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Like Andrew Rabbit did just get roughed up. It is
just seven runs in his last start, and and look
he has been pitching over his head. He's the kind
of guy who went it's working. It's gonna look like
he's pitching over losing.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Chase Burns the rest of the season. I think actually,
like legitimately hurts them.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Well he he yeah, he got hurt right, Yeah? Yeah?
Is he out for the year?

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Sorry, I think it sounds like he is.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Yeah, I know there's not that much year left. That
is that is a real bummer. I do think that
hurts him. That's a ton of upside off.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Had fifty seven strikeouts in thirty four innings this year.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yeah, he I love he was.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
God, I'm gonna have to rank start to watch. Are
you serious? Am I going to have to rank him now?
This scene is He's not gonna be over on days
eight starts. It's gonna be close. I'm have to count
the days.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, at least he should be pretty easy to rank.
He's good, he's.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Really Yeah, I got it. I gotta find out what
the actual arm injury is. In that case, there's always
one of these guys.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
The question with the Reds, as we said all year,
is what's the line up going to give you? Yeah? Yeah,
I do. I will know. We just had John Trupen
not in the minor league update like south Stewart has
been on a absolute tear you say, yeah, but like Santiago.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
The balls, I don't really believe it, Like I think enough, Yeah,
I don't think he's like yeah, I guess you're right.
The upgrade there is worth it.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Yeah, Santiago is worse than league average offensively.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Chase Burns is over on days.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Congratulations graduations.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Yeah, I like to thank the I think that Sandy
Reds for waiting the extra however many days to put
him on the aisle.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
It's an interesting you know, they just cut Jake Fraley, Yeah,
because they've been playing Noel because the Cabrian his acquisition.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Meant they're playing who's been great for.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
That offensively even Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know he does
this for the last two months of the season sometimes
and pulls us back.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
In and Noelvi marte Is is hitting absolutely enough for
corner outfield and doesn't look good. Arm not gonna win awards,
but like, doesn't look bad. I don't do so what
from the Red side? What is this?

Speaker 3 (56:11):
So the one of the Reds problem is they have
I don't know if they still do, but they did
have the hardest schedule remaining strength of schedule left because
obviously there's they have the Dodgers this week. There's a
lot of games.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Second worst, but certainly only Arizona's out of them at
this point.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yeah, there's a lot of Yeah, it's so, it's I
can you know, it's Dodgers, Cardinals, Jay's, Mets, Padres, Athletics, Cardinals, Cubs, Pirates, Brewers,
and the Brewers will have that everything probably locked up
by the last week of the season, last weekend of
the season. But yeah, it's not an easy run.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
In right.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Elsewhere. Let's look at the American League changed.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Yeah, sure, somehow, somehow the Mariners, I feel like the
are the team chasing them seven to ten. But yeah, yeah,
it doesn't. It still feels like it's weird. It feels
exactly the same. Even the Royals have picked up four
games on the marriage last team.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Well, because the Royals were like six and a half
out somehow and now they're they're three, which is but
it's all the same three to the Mariners, like they
don't as long as it's three and they don't care.
The Red Sox and Yankees are the one and two
seeds in the wild card, Does it matter? This is

(57:40):
very much the Spider Man, yeah at himself, mean, like
they are, the Red Sox are half a game up,
they are one one run of run.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Differential words, they have the tie breakers, they've won the
season series now right, it's I don't there's some grists on.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
There's a lot of Yankees grists.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Going, yeah, they're always but facially about like having to
show up in this series against the Red Sox and
treating it like a playoff series and there's still thirty
games left, Like, look, you don't want to lose three
out of four at any point in time, let alone
to a team that you're in playoff contention with. They're
gonna make the playoffs. And yes, I do think there's

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value in having home field advantage there, but you know,
the Mariners, one of them could slip behind the Mariners
or the Mariage slip ahead of one of them. I
mean they may not even be playing each other, like
it's just like it it's go time. You gotta win
every game. I don't think there's anything more or less
to it as they're playing. I mean, there's added stuff
because of the rivalry, and you lost three out of

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four at home. I get that, But I think beyond that,
there isn't much to It's actually kind of an uninspiring
Pennett race. I guess we'll call it Pennant Chase or
six playoff teams. So the teams don't super seem to
care about the bye yet. I won't know, I guess
until last week of the season, right.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Well, And I think the way it's stratified right now,
like they just have. I think that this year we
have less competition for the second versus third spot than
we do for the fourth versus fifth slot, that absolutely
doesn't matter. I think next year that maybe isn't the case.
Like sure, it's just how it's shaken out.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
This year, right, Yeah, there's not. You know, some it
doesn't matter whatever system you use. I think there's some
years it's not going to be a particularly interesting playoff race.
That's just how it's gonna review decide to draw the
line is kind of arbitrary. It's not arbitrary. It's trying
to maximize TV revenue. But I don't think it's gonna
you know, if it was only five playoff teams, I mean,

(59:43):
I guess the AOL car would be slightly more interesting.
But yeah, that'd be about it. Yeah, we'll be I
guess the division. If you're still like the one game system,
the Dodgers and Pottery will be fighting for the division harder.
I think they'll still fight pretty hard.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Yeah, they've still both got interested the shot at the
bye right, unlike unlike.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
The other thing that they don't get a buy like
three versus for us completely aroundant because you're playing in
the same round of the same ye right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Well that's a little bit what I saw people saying
like that. Obviously, the Dodgers and Padres have a big
series this weekend and Padres one, two or three, Yeah,
and are tied for the division. But like it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Yeah, I mean it matters a little.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
But because they're both buying the cubs on I mean, like, yeah,
I don't like they're both be on the Phillies and
obviously the Brewers, but they're also both behind the cups,
so whichever one is just going into the you're not
even arguing about seeding for the I mean it is
seating for the playoffs, but not for the wild card.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
I don't know how much they care about the home play.
It's such a weird series, right, the three games at
one park, best of three, Like, obviously you'd rather be
at home for that for both, you know, competitive and
revenue reasons.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
But yeah, the revenue reasons seem more.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Important to a lot of these teams and also less
important me. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
And the last thing we have it was like, can
any other Ale team make a run?

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
And I mean like it's the Royals and no, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
The Rangers, but like now Semion is hurt and frankly,
I don't know if that's addition by subtraction, but I
don't think so. I think it's the Royal.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
We married the Rangers like a week and a half ago.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
And they're back to one game under five hundred whe
they've been all season field.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Yeah, they're exactly five, so they shall stay.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Yeah, I mean that's they'll probably lose their next game
and go back to one on. You can't always one obviously.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
I'm not going to say the Royals can't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
But just again, I think it's a situation where like
one of these teams, the Mariners or the Yankees, I
think most likely it's gonna have to come back to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Them rather than Yeah, I think I think that's.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Look, the Twins did that last year, right, So I
think it's it's possible.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
It is possible, but I think it right, it's going
to take help from another team.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Where there's twelve playoff teams every year, so that again
this is really kind of like back of the envelope math,
but one team within ninety percent or better playoff odds,
it is likely to not make it right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Right, all right, let's go to our third segment, play
it against sam The Orioles finally called up Samuel Basio
and then reached an agreement with him.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Amazingly, it just happened to reach an agreement several days.
I was like, very quick.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
After they procure you know, yeah, uh, Basio gets eight
years and sixty seven million up to eighty eight and
a half million. He's looked he's looked pretty good thus far.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Not sure if he's a catcher. Sure there's that there's
catcher playing time incentives in here, which is kind of
funny because he doesn't run out the lineup card like
there's nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
You can do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah, it's just give them whatever reason to take him up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Also I want to be clear, like I know that
the slash line is not great, but like I've seen
some of his he looks he looks like he fits
in right, Like that's kind of the vibe on I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Going see what this means Fradley Rushman. Then they're probably
not extending Ali Rushman, but they're probably not extending Adlie Rushman.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
So you'd like to extend players.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Maybe the Reruvenstein would like that. There's a way you
can do that. You you sit across the table and
you agree on a number.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
YEP.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
I did like that they like announced the whatever they
announced it, and I don't know exactly when it broke,
but they announced it in the stadium that day and
he got an ovation and came out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Like to that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
That was weird, very like I get, like, I get
fans know more about their team system, right, they've known
about it a lot of these fans about samuels Io
for a while. This stuff just gets covered even if
you're just consuming your local newspaper and regional sports network, right,

(01:04:04):
so they probably know about to Io for a while.
He's gotten talked about. I'm sure they do, like Indyane
segments on Down on the Farm with their sideline reporter
or whatever. But it is a little weird to me
to like, you don't know this guy yet, Like it's like,
it's not it's a little weird.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
I don't Yeah, I just think I've announced an extent.
You just came up. Like it's not like, oh, this
long time guy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
They've done this with Gunner, go ahead, announce it in
the stadium, gonna take a I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Even think, and not that. I yeah, it wouldn't be
wrong of them to do, but I still think that
would be like a little weird.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Yeah, I mean usually it's like he's gonna have a
I think it's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Weird to announce I don't know, to announce an extension,
I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
But they should bring out a folding table. Yeah, yeah,
and they can put on the jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
It's like they do it like one of those like
pro wrestling like contract signings in the ring, you just
bring out the yep. Yeah, like fights, Michael Liyas, I
had probably get on an ovation from the crowd as
well at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
So yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Like I think this is like any catching prospect that
may not be a catcher that has been up for
two days should take this contract. And it's not anti
labor to say that. Just like that sid this is
like twice as much as keeper Ruiz got guaranteed.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's entirely reasonable. Shall we go
to around the Horn?

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Segment four, uh more, goodbyes. Zach Wheeler. We talked about
had the blood clot ye thrombolysis. I don't know if
I'm saying that correctly. It's also by the way, I
saw a number of either headlines or subhets kind of
referring to it as surgery when I looked into it,

(01:05:58):
I'm not a I looked it up on that it's
there's medication that you do. He will have surgery. I
don't know if he has already though, because he has
he was diagnosed with thoracic outlet syndrome. There are different
versions of thoracic outlet syndrome. I guess mostly based on

(01:06:19):
the location of the the issue.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
This is not affecting a nerve right, the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Nerve thing right, So he's getting the Meryl Kelly version.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Yeah, he's being the Meryl Kelly very. It's still six
to eight months out, but you know, theoretically that means
he could be back at some point early next season.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Again, it's a thirty thirty six year old having significant
arm issues, so you never know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
But right, uh so, yeah, as far as you know,
I don't know. The history is generally not kind.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
But that's for the other version of TS, which is
more common pictures, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
I don't think it's great for.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Anyone, No, I mean it's that you don't really want
to have thrastic outlet syndrome. It's a Major League Baseball picture.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Now elsewhere, Frankie Montos has a somewhat.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Significant, somewhat significant U c L injury.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Yes, yeah, so that's not ideal.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
I mean, it isn't, but it also gets Frankie Montoss
off the roster without having to They're gonna pay that.
He's obviously got to twenty nine other.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Teams figure that out actually why yeah, fair enough? Yeah,
and then Evan Carter and you mentioned same and Evan
Carter also out with.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
The car he risked instead of back.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
He broke his wrist, semeon hurt his foot on a
foul ball off his own foot. I saw this. I
forget where so I apologize, but on the ail for
the second time. Yea since twenty seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Yeah, well he played some time in his career, first.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Time since twenty seventeen. Yeah. Yeah, one of the most
durable players in baseball. In happier news, Shane Bieber looked
very good. It was the Marlins.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
The ball didn't the ball in flight didn't know it
was the Marlins.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
So I mean, look the the Yes, nine strikeouts and
six innings looked really good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Yeap, velocity was up. It was encouraging.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Yeah, our national nightmare about Kyle Tucker might be over.
He had two home runs three. It wasn't it three
home runs three over the weekend, but I think two
in one game. I was I hesitated, I apologize, but
two in one game, three over the weekend. It seems
like he's, you know, found a little bit aloft. It's
funny how these things both appear instantly a month after

(01:08:48):
he got hurt and then disappeared instantly, you know, two
days after we talked about it, right, but the human
body is truly a miracle. Tell hit two home runs
of his own and set the mark for catchers.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
So it's it's it's primary. It's primary. It's such a
weird it's like primary catcher because all the all these guys,
at least the American League ones like pez DH right,
I'm now DH now. But it's just very it's like
most home runs. Is someone that say, primary catchers, very
like Fantasy League coded to me. But no, it's like
it's very impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Obviously, it is very impressive. I did find I hated
the whole debate about sal Perez back when it happened. Yeah,
and I'm hopeful that we're just not gonna do that
debate this time around. I mean, that's probably foolish to hope,
but like it doesn't I don't care. Yes, he spends
a lot. I guess that the more interesting thing here,

(01:09:44):
and we don't have to belabor it. But like there
isn't a l MVP race. Yeah, sure, between him and Judge.
But you know, like I I guess my view on
it is at least like they're both dh and a
fair amount. Now, so maybe we just don't have to
get into it, right, we can just call it a
wash and and so it's okay. Yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
By Baseball reference, which does not count framing, of course
judges way ahead for our war. Aaron judges way ahead
because of walks and and by fangrafts they're tied at
this point. They're both at seven point three war. So
there is there is a battle if you want there
to be, and if you don't want them to be,

(01:10:30):
you can look at one of the other sites and say, no,
it's it's Judge, and it probably will be Judge.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
But yeah, I think it probably will be Judge. But
we have the balance of the season and it's I
don't I mean, it's all spit and distance, right, I
think it's absolutely fair. We did have a take online
that framing shouldn't be counting because it's it's taking advantage
of a loophole in the rules. That was a new

(01:10:56):
one for me. Is where I'll leave that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Oh I've seen that one for years. Yeah, it's not
no one for me, sadly, but yeah, I understand people
have said it's like catchers should stop trying to frame.
I think that's the real The thing is that like
they should morally, It's just like when when you know
you're out and when you win on a bang bang play,
you should just you should be like, no, umpire.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
It's like they got to call the penalty on yourself, right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Exactly exactly, and catchers won't. They're they're evil people and
they don't deserve to forget any awards because they are duplicitous.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
All right, Oh, the last, the last thing. I wanted
to skip this. I'm not gonna sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
The Baseball Writers Association of America have started, uh or
or are starting next year a Reliever of the Year award.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
They've annexed the feat of the role AIDS company.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
I do want, Like, are we going to get like
the reliever can't win the CIX have their own award,
much like we get the picture can't win the MVP
because of their own I.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Mean they already don't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Hopefully the discourse already don't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Yeah, fair enough, Yeah, I mean that would be nice
if that's the one thing that comes out of this.
I'm okay with that being, you know, the reward. I
the only thing I find interesting about this is that well,
I mean I I say interesting, I'm sure that Craig
is already already having palpitations about it. We're going to
have to talk more about what middle believers versus closers versus.

(01:12:29):
I think that this award will to some degree help
kill the save a little more than it's.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Already dead, like a say, just going to be like
the nineteen eighty five win, or is it going to
be the twenty twenty five win? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Hopefully what comes out of this is that we start
thinking more about leverage and more about you know, the
stoppers who come in you know, your your you know
whatever example you want to use, your Garretts, you're you know, like,
hopefully that gets us to appreciate them more and maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Like d this during his peak, Andrew Miller was pretty
clearly right and baseball and didn't rack up saves, right, Yeah,
but I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Don't like was he he wasn't like ignored for Rolaids.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
I don't know, was he.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
I just don't give.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
I know you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
But also like I understand that that these people are like, oh, like,
relievers are throwing forty percent of the Indians blah blah blah.
And I'm not look, I'm not trying to shit on relievers.
They are throwing. But it's also it's just like randoms
are throwing a lot of It's not like the relievers are.
This isn't fucking Mike Marshall.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Yeah, your good relievers are throwing like sixty four innings.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
They're throwing this city. They're maybe even throwing less, yeah
than they used to. It's just filler. No offense to
the filler. But like, I'm thrilled you're getting a major
league salary in some service time. But but I don't know,
this just feels so misguided and I don't care, like
I don't whatever. But what I really don't want to
do is argue about who the reliever of the year was.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
I don't get wondering, but what do you?

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
What do you? Patrick's so happy, he's just smiling right now.
I don't want to have a verse verse about whether
Ryan is the fucking reliever of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
The top five relievers by w p A this year
are closers. Well sure, and yeah it's Taters Chapman and
Edwin Diaz. Uh, can you guess who the non closer
with the best w P A is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
I'm almost certainly, I almost certainly can't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Yeah, Adrian Morahan.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Yeah, I was just gonna say that I have noticed,
but that's kind of like, I guess that's what I want,
Like I can I did actually know think about like
ignoring dialogue or you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
For the record, yea, yeah, I didn't. I think on
like fangrass war dream morehone is number one, yeah for
for war like but like, yeah, I don't know, I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
I'm you know, I'm I I'm always happy to give
Like this will be the only chance adreamorehone has to
be talked about, And I'm fine with gived if this
is a lot of work to get Andrew Adrian mahone
some attention, but like it'll be good that he gets
some attention, right, Like I I don't mind I don't
mind awards discourse as much as you guys, because I

(01:15:29):
can just turn it off.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
There's also second on the team and wins behind Nick Pavetta, so.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
He would he would be celebrated in twenty twenty seven
and also nineteen eighty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Yeah, like the Roger McDowell like, yeah, yeah, fourteen win,
twenty saves season or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Yeah, all right, so now all right, yeah, this is
this is I despite staying up, I only did seven
of these. This is before and after, as you as
reminded the listeners. Basically, I'm going to give you a
clue that will give you two players, and you have
to figure out the players. One of them has the

(01:16:06):
same last name players. Yeah, all right, so we're just
gonna do buzzers on this. A royal who was once
ejected for using pine tar and a blue jay who
was once ejected for bouncing a helmet into an empire.
All right, that's the time, all right, one point each.

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I didn't actually.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Disappointed.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
It's so ready to like do like the Jeopardy jump
the buzzer with like George Brett cecil and then.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Yeah, I was I was like Brett, I don't know
where I was going to go with George Brett, and
then I I the fact that it wasn't ass pamphlets
threw me off.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
All right. A busted pitching prospect named the Little Unit,
and a busted pitching prospect who is doing pretty well
in Japan right now, a little little unit as a
and the little unit was six foot ten.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Six ten.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
I'm like, who's in? Who's is Michael's Michael in Japan?
Like I don't, I don't know who's over.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
I don't know whose picture of the Patrick's Patrick's mistake
is thinking we have any idea? Also apparently I don't
know who the who is it? Like Andrew Brackman, Like,
that's not like I'm trying to think of Sean Well, who's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
The big yell?

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Who was the who is the big gen? Now you
know what your team we're talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Yeah, I figured as a Mariner, but I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
I don't know a six time a Mariner team prospect.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Okay, the answer is Ryan Anderson Espinoza.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Okay, sure, all right, I don't remember Ryan Anderson.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
You don't remember Ryan? He was yeah before your time.
I guess a picture who's a down ballot ale Rookie
of the Year candidate this season? And a picture who
won one and finished second three times after the award
was introduced in his age thirty five seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
I feel like I might know the first, but I
don't know. Sorry, can you can you?

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
I really didn't think. I mean these two read it
down ballot, down ballot al rookie candidate, Rookie of the
Year candidate this year, okay, and the pitcher who finished
second or first four times after his age thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Five season, probably for the Rookie of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Sorry for yeah, oh he's a down ballot yah. Yeah,
did not get Rookie the Year four times after his
age three four season.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
But the first one is rookie.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Yes, okay, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
I don't want to say it because I don't want to.
I don't want to say I don't know. The second part,
good just gets the point. What was it Will Warren spawn?

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Okay, I was not well? Was Will warn that? Good? No?
But rookie I think Cameron Yeah, double first al rookie starters.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
The catcher with the fourth lowest strikeout rate this year
and the starter with the second Lewis strikeout rate since
nineteen nineteen ninety So this this catcher has the fourth
lowest strikeout rate in baseball.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
This year, and the star Slus close Wow, close, wow.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
It probably is Alejandro Kirk.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
I don't ah, okay, I guess, can I guess again?

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Go ahead, said Alejandro is a Kirk or whatever is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Well, you deserve that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
I have no idea what kirk. I don't know why
I went to kirk star this first.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
That many Kirks, not.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
That many Kirks. A hitter who played both right field
and safety and the hitter with the third best OPS
plus on the.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Colorado Rockies, Brian Jordan Beck.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
That is correct. A disappointing free agent addition by the
Houston Astros this season, and a disappointing free agent acquisition
by the Boston Red Sox this season.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Can you say it again?

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
A disappointing free agent for the Astros, disappointing free agent
for the Red Sox. Christian Walker viewer correct? All right,
and final one recipient of the Angel's biggest ever free
agent contract to a pitcher and the current holder of
the Cardinal's biggest free agent contract for a position player.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
One more time, right, or twice.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Recipient of the Angel's biggest free agent contract to a
pitcher and the current holder of the Cardinal's biggest free
agent contract to a position player. So the biggest ever
for the Angels for pictures but not a current not extensions,
and the current position player the Cardinals have signed a
free agent current. Yeah, so not Ornatuto because they did not.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Sign or right right? C. J.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Wilson contrares.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
That's correct.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
Nice like eighty million or something.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
All right, congratulations and Jeffrey, what's it five to do?

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Yeah? Running away? Absolutely well done, Jeffrey.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
Really Wilson has got more than man Holiday current on
the team.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Current, yes, current, all right, Thank you, Patrick in the game.
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