Five and Dive, Episode 489: It is 5 A.M. and you are listening to Craig rant about Los Angeles

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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Welcome to episode for eighty nine of five and five.
It is Monday, September eighth. I'm your host, Great Cold Steam,
joined as usual by Patrick Dubuque and Jeffrey patron Ostro.
How was your weekend? Guys? Do we have any banter
to a movie chat coming up?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
There? I went to I went to a baseball game,
as did Yes, I went to I went to the
baseball game with a kid, my kid specifically. I have
not been to the I have now been to the
new Stadium. I had not been to the New Bees Stadium.
It's a thirty five minute drive down a lot of
like industrial west side highways that they put in to

(01:09):
connect all the subdivisions to something resembling Salt Lake City.
The Citium itself is very nice. It was just built
this year. It should be there's and this is not
like a Ryan Smith project, but I find a lot
of the teams here are really into like monochromatic color schemes.
Like there's like a little like charcoal and white hell

(01:31):
vedica font all over the stadium. Okay, like one of those.
And obviously the Utah Hockey Club had a very like
monochromatic look and the Jazz have done it at various
times too. If you heard about this game, and you
might have, it's because the Salt Lake Bees had to
use a position player to try to get a save.
I did not see that, because the kid did not
get through the whole game.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
I was with you on position player to do something
to get a save.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, well they used It was a bullpen game. They
used four chers for two innings and then through a
position player. My understanding is because of all the roster
moves the Angels have made. I don't know why the
Angels are making all these roster moves. It seems they're
not like the quietest desperation.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
I don't even notice.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I did not even see if he got the safe.
I mean, we wouldn't make it through these I said.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Wait, hold on, four pictures for two innings each.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
You're saying they could have thrown one of them for three.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
I suppose I shouldn't. How many people are in their bullpen.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I don't know. I did not like I was not going.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
No, but I'm just generally speaking. Yes, there's like thirteen
pictures on the staff.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
And you would assume if you don't have five relievers,
then you might not do a bullpen game.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, right, exactly, you have to have a bullpen.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
To the record, Yomr Sanchez gave up five runs in
the top of the nine, so you didn't get it done.
He did not get it done. Now, I don't know, Scott,
I do not know what Angel's pitching situation is at
the Triple A level right now. I'm just quality again.
We've we actually watched very little of the game because

(03:09):
we were mostly there to get dippin' dots in a
hat and meet the bee. The bee has a house now,
so you don't have to like track the bee down
you have to. It is not it's just a little house.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
It's like they could have done a little more work.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, so we got our annual picture with the bee.
We got dippin' dots in a hat. Next time, I
think I'll just sit on the burn with her. There's
bark in the park day, so she got to sit
on the burn and the dogs. I'm going to watch
a little more of the game and that in sense.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
But if the bee's coming out of a house, I
feel like it should also have like a really disappointed
fifty five year old man. Maybe it's that could be yeah,
like just a instead of a house. Maybe it's just
a two by four block. It's a mason bee, just
like somebody drilled in a bunch of holes and.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
This is helping my card, Like I don't know if
it's like a Utah thing or what. They have a
bunch of consent. We walked around the stadium looking for
the bee until they revealed the b would be in
his house in the third inning for picture, so we
just walked over to his house. They have a mini
golf course too, which we didn't do. Probably could have
been well dragged a little more time at the stadium
out of that, and she wasn't in the moment where
golf course it looks like it's six or seven, like

(04:18):
it's pretty big. So my impression from the stadium, like
they put it like downtown daybreak. It's not really downtown.
They're still building downtown because it's a giant housing development,
but it's like a movie theater there. I thought it
was gonna get a pretty small lot the actual stadium,
like it's three fifty down the lines and four to
twenty to center, which it has to be because the
ball travels about as big as I think Smith's was

(04:41):
give her take, but there's like a lot of like stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, well sure, I'm just saying like I don't. I mean,
I don't know what it costs to go to a
game there.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
But like I was twelve dollars for obstructing abuse. I mean,
I guess we set in for one inning.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Sure, I mean I guess twelve bucks. Then you play
some mini golf whatever. But like I don't. I was
watching a game and uh my on TV and my
son said something. He said something about at P and
C Park they have you know, they have something there
for kids, right, like a kid's attraction.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I don't know if the ride or slides or whatever playground.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Well, no, I don't. I mean like a lot of
them minorly parks. But like he was like, can we
go to a game in Pittsburgh? And I was like,
because you want to go on like the ride or
the slide or whatever. And I was like, we can
just go on a ride. Yeah. He was like, no,
why would I pay to go to a Pirates game
and then go on a ride? Like I don't get

(05:41):
me wrong, I want to go to the park anyway,
So like that's not the problem. But like it. Just
the order of operations here is a little confusing to me.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
She wanted to go to the B's game primarily to
meet the bee.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Like when I go to like you have to go that,
you have to go piece.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Mini golf other places, right, yeah, right, I went to
the mini golf is free as far as I can
tell you.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I was going to ask no, that's like, yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's more than twelve bucks to do minigolf.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
It also would make sense that they charged you for.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
It, Yeah, would.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, I mean I guess I don't then I would
be mad though.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
But anyway, one of like one of the concessions, so
they have a little like it's very rare. They have
like the usual stuff obviously on the other dirty soda place.
I didn't get dirty soda this time. But they have
like a little supermarket sponsored by Smith's, which is one
of the supermarkets where you can just like go in
and get like candy or chips or soda or whatever,

(06:39):
like just like grabbing a supermarket. It's a supermarket, yeah,
more like a convenience or really right, not super it's
a market. The market. I don't know if they like
little sandwiches or something. I didn't look that closely. You
have to swipe your card to get your credit card
to get in, and they put a ten dollars balance
on it immediately because there's it's.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Not even based on what you spent. I mean you're
spending ten years ten bucks.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, but like it so there's like it's like all
there's no, it's like all kiosk, like self.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Oh yeah, sure, it's automate's like.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Very it's very weird.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
I don't know, Like, yeah, they do that.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
They do at the airport, but it's usually a dollar.
It automatically charges you a dollar you go, But.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
It's just weird. At a baseball stadium, I feel like.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, well I should everything is coming for everything.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, I know, like not that I want to interact
with people, but like also it feels like.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well, if you don't, dehumanization is for you.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
You you say that, but like, yeah, I went. So
I went to the Orioles game yesterday, Orioles Dodgers, and
like I went through the one of the food places
and like it's just you don't interact with anyone at
any point basically, and it's I I don't actually care
for it. Like you just pick up like your tenders
or your hot dog from a thing that.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
And then there's one way for the whopper to come out.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah yeah, and then there's one person who like either
does it for you or tells you how to like
add your totals up on a big touch screen. And
it's it's this increasing that we're way off topic here,
but like, yeah, well I remember, uh. I think, like
Sarah Jong talked about this in a in a New

(08:18):
York Times op ed like ten years ago at this point,
but like we've gone from like everything is just increasingly
pushed down the line to the individual, right, like no
one you're responsible Now I have to check myself out
at a baseball game, for like with food, you obviously
there's self checkouts everywhere and grocery stores or whatever. But
you know, she kind of went down the line of

(08:39):
like corporate responsibility in terms of like it used to
be you go to the store and you ask her
stuff and they'd pull it off the shelf, and if
something fell and broke or something like that, that was
on them. But now if something goes wrong, it's on
you because they make you do everything, and it's like
I don't know, I don't get into all that, but it.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Is I just don't want to get like I don't need.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
To check myself out, Like I don't need to do
self checkout for chicken tenders at a baseball game. Just
let me interact with Sorry, Like I guess the good
vibes generally at the game, like you talk to people,
you get a thing going on, but instead it's yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
And I was like, like obous, we're catering towards like
you know, concierge rich people. They have like full suites
at that's all, Like say what we've talked about this before.
I sit behind home plate and like when little sweets
are like the cordon off areas like a hundred bucks
a take it. But yeah, it's like we're this is
like a premium experience. But also it feels like a

(09:35):
New Jersey rest stop is also not like there's like
a there's like a dissonance there.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
I my wife, being an extreme introvert, welcome to most
of this stuff. Like I get it. I you know,
I I get not wanting to talk to people, but
I still also still want to be a person and sometimes,
you know, I kind of forget that I am a
person when like I am just a part of a
formula that spits out, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
A cheese steak. Oh.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
So from from my experience this weekend, I just I
didn't go to a game. I know everyone else did.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
It's cool.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
It's cool that you guys get to do it.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I was talking, we didn't do a podcast. It wasn't
This wasn't intentional. We're not you're not excluded from like
the podcast outing.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
I am, but like not inadvertently. But I went to
talk to the friends and I'm trying to formulate an
idea for something and I don't think it works, but
I'm still trying to. I'm kind of working workshopping in
my head and we'll do it in front of everyone
right now. I was thinking of basically an anti book group. So,
you know, my friends, being smart, literate people, they had

(10:42):
book groups for a while and they had the usual
experience that happens with the book group is that you know,
personalities take over and certain types of books get read
and then you know, everything goes to hell. I was
thinking about, what if you had a book group or
a media group where the intention was not to share
experiences that you know in broaden enrich you, but instead

(11:02):
to specifically pick things that one person in each group
will hate and then make them do it, and then
you all sit around and talk about the experience of
having being subjected to this thing.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I mean, this is just this podcast is christ you
have to talk about the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
I was about to say, it's this podcast and Jeff
doing titles for segments.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Or Patrick having to talk about pre arm extensions.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Fair enough, But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
I was just I'm trying to think about the what
about it. It's basically subjecting things to people that they
wouldn't want but and then trying and then like going
through Like is this like.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
The kindest gentle fear factory?

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Are you just describing exposure therapy?

Speaker 3 (11:47):
I could be. I don't know either, Pig.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
It's just like like for me, I would have to
just do like spiders, you know.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
And this is to a certain extent, this is the Rockies, right,
this is the entire year last year with me and
the Rockies. Uh, but just on a on a scale
of just being like a type of like it's basically
being assaulted by something that you don't really have the defenses,
like like you just don't yeah, the white blood cells

(12:14):
to fight this off, and so you're just, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Are you just trying to like create a timeline of
someone having like Stockholm syndrome essentially.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Not have the medichlorians for this.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
I will keep thinking about it, but I don't know.
I like the idea.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
All right, shall we uh get to my bit of
exposure therapy? I suppose sure?

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Since yours is actually yours is named banter.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yours is just a segment. It's just part of it, Jeffrey,
your first segment title.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
We are all, in some way or another, going to
receive it someday to die, explain Screarerider blues by coughing.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Okay, this is about the Dodgers. Our subhead is much
more relatable to me. Let's talk about the most annoying
ninety one win team ever. That's our projection.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
I don't know if that's I don't know, I just
feel that's what it feels like. It's literally on our
s what it feels like to me.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Ninety point seven projected wins. Let's talk about it?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Always good? Is it good when you're projected for a
number of wins? Total that they light rock radio station.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
It's it's I guess better when the second place team
is below that, Yeah, they're still projector for first.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
I guess ninety point seven is more like college radio, right,
It's like.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, yeah, probably you got to get into the ninety
one s.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Let's talk about it. What do you I mean? I
I don't know. I'm sure people want to rant or whatever.
I honestly I find them depressing, Like it's I find that.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
You paid, you paid to watch them play. You saw
a win, which is rare.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
I did my I went with my dad and my son,
who's a you know, it was a very cliche three
generational baseball outing.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Kept learning some new words. When Michael confordo grounds and
do a double play, one of.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
The words is not it's not my My my dad
did repeatedly just kept saying ship throughout the day, not
related to the not related to the ball game, even
necessarily just you know, conversation, and then he'd be like oh,
and then it would happen again, like four minutes later.
Yeah this look, this was a good game. I mean,

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if we want to talk about just like personal experience,
like show hey, o Tani hitting two home runs, Looky
Betts hitting another, Like I will be able to talk
about this with my child in the future. Is even
Clayton Kershaw, I know he's a problematic fave, is like
far too kind at this point, but whatever, eight strikeout game, like,
you know, future Hall of Famer except for the one

(14:54):
commenter and yeah, I mean like it's a very cool game.
In the end, I did say, I like getting to
see Michael Confordo hit into a double play was basically
equal to show Heyo Tony hitting two homers. It's just
too great to you know, performing what they do.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
I do want to note they still went two for
ten with runners in scoring positions.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, they hit three. I mean they hit three home
runs and they and scored five runs. All of the
homers were so low. They scored a run because Alex Jackson,
who is just the Orioles, Ben Hurtfitt, both these neither
of these teams have catchers, just threw a ball away
after Ben Urtvett was at the plate execute or didn't

(15:39):
execute a safety squeeze and he pulled back. It was
a ball. Miguel Rojas was caught and Jackson just threw
it away, So that was that was no, no, it
was they described if you watch the well I don't
know where you watch a highlight, but they were like,
it's a safety squeeze. And then Miguel Rojas was going

(16:00):
to make sure he could make it and I was like,
well these aren't yeah, no, and then Mookie Betts hit
a ball. I thought it was a second homer, to
be honest, it was. It hit off the wall the
left field cutout in Waltimore or whatever reduced Baltimore and
got a single out of it because shoe Otani just
didn't run. Uh so that and that was they someone

(16:25):
was on third so they got to run out of that.
That was it. I mean still, you know, it felt
like it was happening again. Kershaw gave up a couple
of runs towards the end of his outing and then
Edgardo Enriquez came in and gave up a hit on
one oh one to Alex Jackson, and I felt like, well,
this is a poor omen. Yeah, but no, I don't
know what do we want to talk about?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
That's that's so just talked about the no hitter.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Just want to throw out a couple of numbers because
they're fun. In these series against the Orioles, the Dodgers
went five for twenty nine with runners in scoring position.
Improvement from the priority against the Pirates was four for
twenty two, so almost exactly the same. Yeah, okay, great,
nine for fifty one were basically a sub one to
eighty average yeaps.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
The Mets did this for three months, so like, I'm
not gonna be that sympathetic.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
No no, no, I yeah no, I don't think that sympathetic.
I just think it's funny. Yeah yeah, But also doing
it against the Pirates and Orioles pitching staff. I mean, sure,
Paul Skin's fine, but like everyone else, come on.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Like there was like a Ditrich Ends game in here.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
There was. It was a Dean Kremer game that was
yeah yeah, by the way, Dean Kremer held them hitless
for three innings, right, and then seamlessly transformed into.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yoshinobu Yamamoto went eight and two thirds of very good
but no hit baseball, but also, just like the strikeout
of Alex Jackson to start the ninth inning, he threw
a ninety three mile per hour splitter that looked like
it had Dustin May style run armside run on it,
uh Jackson Holiday got him for a home run in

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to break up the no hitter in the shutout. It
was then three to one, and it was just an
absolute meltdown from trying In and Tanner Scott. I mean, look,
I'll say this, like my dad driving up was like,
so tell me, like, you know, what do you think
the front office and Dave Roberts are doing? And I'm
like apoplectic immediately because I don't fucking know, right, Like

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you go to the Yamamoto game, right, trying comes in,
struggles badly. They were kind of like getting someone up.
But how is the choice, Tanner Scott, because who had
just gone just well in the previous game. I don't care.
It just sunk cost. I don't care. How How can

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the choice no? Hold on? Because constantly hold on, hold on.
He gave, he gives up. He's been bad all year.
They're literally publicly saying he throws to the same spots
all the time. He gave up a walk off home
run to Samuel Bassaio, who, despite Mike keep saying, I
keep saying, I think he looks pretty good. Pretty bad,

(19:20):
has been pretty bad. Sure, and your choice to enter
a bases loaded game up one is Tanner Scott, by
the way, to face Emmanuel rivera who's not that good
but can hit lefties sometimes. How is like my dad

(19:41):
is as a just a you know, a more standard fan,
trying to say, like he's trying to say, like, what's
the rationalization for this? And I can't fucking come up
with one other than they don't care.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
The people, the people, the people that wanted to rank
be very disappointed.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, well okay, but I'm just saying so they they
don't care. That's a rationalization.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Okay, it's not. I mean some of it they don't care, probably,
but like this is something as a fan of the
most annoying eighty seven win team this year, like.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
They're also not that good as part of well, it's
not even that.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
They're not that good, but like something you have to
understand as a Dodgers fan and now as a Mets
fan who are trying to be Dodgers East, right, It's
like it's not that they don't care, it's that they
do not overreact or react at all to this kind
of information. If you I'm sure if you plug Canner
Scott into a stuff model. The Mets are doing this
with Ryan Stanek right now, probably Ryan Hellsley to to extent,

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like they're just gonna tell you like he's got like
it's a reliever, he's had a bad forty innings. Like, yeah,
it's not necessarily predictive, and.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
I understand that, but you also have to put them
in a situation like they're people, right, Like he keeps
coming into the same situation.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Like who's there is not on the team anymore, but he.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Keeps coming into the same situation and doing the same thing.
That's that's not good process at some point. And and yes,
like take the long view, he's a reliever, get him
back on track. They did this with Craig kimberrel and
it's one thing, in my opinion, to do it with
a nine game lead. It's another to do it with
a two game lead, as you continue to with a

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with a four game loss streak, going right with a
with a no hitter that was on the that was
that had been happening, right, there's context to all of this,
And yes, this is what we talk about with Pakoda
and all these things you say, like it has a
better long view. It doesn't overreact to this stuff. And
I agree with that. But also, like I watched Michael

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Confordo play. I watched, but it's.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
I like Conforto also like you can just get off
Michael Confordo. Now it's fine.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
There's like, well you can not pitch Tanner Scott in
a one run game with the I'm not saying you
never pitched, Sure, what's that? Who is it?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Who else was available?

Speaker 1 (22:02):
You just Michael Kopek, Yeah, I mean they It's like
Jack Dryer had got Jack Dryer who closed out yesterday's
game had gone too in a row. But you could
push someone three in a row. It's not impossible.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
It's time you here to do it right, like you're
in you might.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Want to win a game. I don't know. Like the
Pirates are a game behind, and the reason that they don't,
I'm not saying you're wrong, by the way, but the
reason that they don't is because they don't care. I mean,
and some look there's they are now four back of
the Phillies right for the second five. I don't know
that they care between first wild card and second wild

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or you know, a wild card.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
They want the home games obviously, but like beyond that,
and that they.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Maybe they they don't seem to. What's the evidence that
they wanted? Is my question? And this look, my broader
point here, which I'm not doing a good job of making,
is I think this sucks. I've said this for years
and years. I'm agular season guy. I love the regular season.
I want the division title and they don't. It's nice.

(23:07):
I don't think they don't care at all, but the
level of not caring is significant, and possibly to the
point of like over fifty percent. Right of whether they
don't care whether they win the division or have the
first wild card, it's it's mostly irrelevant to that, right.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
But you can't blame him too much because neither is
the league. Right, But I can't but no reward, I don't.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Know you're supposed to there. I can a little bit
right like.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
This is this is I mean, and I get what
you're saying about.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Go back to and said, you know how we talk
about front office behavior in terms of treating you know,
how you treat players. Incentives aren't mandates. I can blame
them a little bit. They should give a shit because
on principle they should give a shit. The point is
to win you might not get you might not be
optimally incentivized for that. The point is a little bit.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
And that's what they've said, right, Like, if they win
the division and go out in the first round, they're
going to consider it a failed season and if they
hang a flag for it.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yes, they have said that, and I think that's like, like,
I don toxic way of thinking.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
But like, but again, I don't know if using Tanner
Scott they're not using Kenner Scott, there is meaningfully different
in their World Series odds, right, like, or they're they're
getting something for the playoffs out of it, like they
got to get there with their three top three pittures healthy,
which it seems like they're going to.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
I mean, look, they don't seem to care very much
about chasing down the Phillies. They have a series with
them coming up. But like, but I would argue they should,
you don't. I mean you need to. Again, I know
there's a whole thing about rest versus rust, but when
you don't have to play a series, you can't lose it.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, you know, and I.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Just I don't, you know a lot of this stuff
is with this team. My dad was like, what can
the front off kind of do and I was, it's
all baked in right, like you're done, Like you can't
add guys. They they don't have anyone. I mean, like
I know people talk about Ryan Ward or whatever, but
like that's there's no difference there, like whatever, throw right

(25:18):
now or whatever. Yeah, no, I right right, He's not
an option. What they can do is take healthy. Yeah,
they can get Tommy Edmund back. They can get they
they just they finally played hays on Kim. They can
get Max Munsey back.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
They could use Hunterducier right now.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Well yeah, I mean, honestly, the difference between him and
I don't, I.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Don't know is horrible. But I assume Rushing and Smith
will be ready for the playoffs or like.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
What do you because I watch that rushing.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Oh he was in agony. Yeah, you didn't put pressure
on when he left the field, they had to carry
him off. He said.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
It wasn't whenever whenever a guy is on the ground
and they're just covering their eyes because they just don't
want to be there. They don't want to be in
the space where they are.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Much like it looks really bad the shat too, but
it seems like he's going.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
To be did you which, by the way, did you
see the just a brief moment of levity here? Did
you see the clip going around of the umpire, the
little league umpire who got hit in the nuts three
times in the same game, And it's like a random
little league not like uh talking about not wanting to
be there.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
So the thing with Tamer Scott is that they can
still if they want to, which they clearly don't care,
but if they want to, they can just say this
is really luck. You know, dra Tamor Scott to seventy
eight this year. It's better than his career average.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
It's and they're they're not looking simply a dra but
I'm sure if you plug him into whatever.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
But again, he's a person too, right, this is what
Craig kimber This is the Craig Kimberl season. And look
again that I think you do that. And eventually they
went and didn't blue kimberrel on the playoff roster. They're
not going to have that luxury with with Tanner Scott.
And look, Dave Roberts has a thing where he likes

(27:07):
to put people who struggled right back in. He likes
to go back to them and build confidence.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
And he has done that.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
He's done that forty times.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
I do think it's very funny that the leaders in
bloun says we also it's so annoying, but like it's
actually hard to find the leadership blown saves.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's always like the seventh inning dog.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Well, in this case it's the Dodgers closer in the
Mets closer.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Look, has he has blown that many saves?

Speaker 3 (27:32):
It's well, no, sorry, it's not.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well, yeah, yeah, I believe that.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
The former closer that became yeah set up. The thing is,
we know, we know there are preferences with like or
like little things you can do to massage guys to
get into the right moment, right, like they pull guys
they clinton Hershaw was at like, I don't know, seventy

(27:56):
five eighty pitches. I didn't see it, maybe eighty pitches
when they pulled him because he started it was a
third time through when he had started to go. But
like they could have tried to eke him through the
sixth inning. But they pull him repeatedly these days because
it's like a build on the last thing exit without
the jumps. He's like thirty.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Six, right, Well, he's like.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
But you bring in someone like Tanner Scott if you
want him to get back on the horse. You bring
them in with a clean inning. Sure not the bases loaded,
the game on the line.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I have a suggestion. We've noted that they can't the
prompts can't really do anything because it's the can.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Cut Michael Conforto. It might fix the pitching. We don't know.
They haven't tried it.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Well that you obviously can't make a move now for
the playoff roster, but you can at another reliever. And
I think they should bring in Heath Hembrey.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
I know Dave would go to him an official situation,
that's true, you need another option. I mean, I just
I don't know this. This is not that good a
team ultimately, And I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
I look, look they've they've had a lot of injuries,
right like they always have a lot of They have
a lot of injuries. But you also have you know,
Mookie Bets isn't there to you know, he's a subs sure,
but yeah, it turns out if you lose twenty pounds
because of a horrible illness in March, it might have
long term delitorious effects on your ability to be a
premium athlete. But yeah, they are. They are, and like

(29:30):
they always have injuries, right, And there are a lot
of teams where if this level of underperformance injury happens too,
they'd be like the Braves, right. I think they're probably
a similar and like they're probably gonna win the division.
It's not a lock, but they're probably Padres look like
they're a mess too.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
But yeah, it's very funny. Of the twelve playoff teams,
three have had winning records over the last ten games.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, yeah, I mean so this kind of goes into
my other thing on this, which is I said, for
a long time, I kept thinking the Dodgers are still
the best team. I still think they have the highest ceiling,
but I don't know that that matters when like they're
pretty clearly not going to get to that. And and
I also want to go back to, like, I really
the regular season matters to me, and this is this

(30:13):
is just a disenchanting way to go through baseball, and
like we can talk about how it doesn't matter to them,
and I keep saying that repeatedly, but like they signed
Blake Snell, they acquired and extended Tyler Glass. Now they
made all these moves. These are moves that matter for
the regular season too. Presumably they can't. Like there's there's
some level like there were a lot of expectations around

(30:35):
this team. People thought they were ruining baseball, and and
a lot of that was in regards to the regular season.
It wasn't eken, you know, or or limp into the
playoffs and then get hot. That's that's any team.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Can.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
You they Well, they are a little bit, right, I
mean like this kind of approach of like I think
you can you can simultaneously keep the long term in mind.
I do understand there are games when it's like you
could go for the kill and push someone for a
third day and and in May and June, and you

(31:11):
don't do that because it's a long season, right I can.
I can internalize that and understand it even.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
In the moment you have you have Matt Sour and
I like, but they're like maybe like they they're able
to get enough turn guys that they don't get punished
for it, right.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Right, Well, and also like, okay, you lose your Matt
Sour game, Okay, so it goes right, you did a
bullpen game when I would have liked you to go
to a starter or whatever. Fine, whatever we can.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
To lose sixty games a year or whatever.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Anyways, Absolutely, I do think it's different going to the
Tanner Scott we've had all season. In the ninth inning
of a game, you're winning with the bases loaded.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's a bad loss. You had eight and two thirds
of no hit hittings.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
It is a shift, it's a and like for your
fifth straight loss, by the way, to a team that
has been that has given up on the season in June.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
I mean they've actually played pretty well.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
They played okay because their talent base is fine. But
you know, you lost to Alex Jackson. You know, it's bad,
It's really bad, and it's a bad experience as a fan, Yeah,
it is. And I apologize the guy the people who
don't want to hear, you know, rants about the Dodgers.

(32:32):
But I think this applies. This applies to the Mets.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
So my point is, like I dose all, you're the Mets,
and Mets fans are going apoplectic for crashing out about
Drew Gilbert this week, who's played like one fifth of
his professional games in course so far. But like, I
do think it's different. For the Dodgers because they but
the Mets have those expectation games, right, you go out
and sign Juan Soto, bring back Pete Alonzo, and look,

(32:55):
they weren't I don't think division favorites in the same
way the Dodgers were because of existence of the Phillies
and the Braves, right, and they were twenty one games
over five hundred only a couple of months ago. I had.
You know, you don't expect a good team to have
a two to fourteen stretch like they did. You know,
that's that's rare. But I think you for Mets fans specifically,

(33:19):
this is for Dodgers, who are you know, again, the
expectation is they're going to win the World Series every
year or try to like Mets fans have made met
The Mets have made the playoffs in back to back
years twice in my lifetime, and one of those was
like the Wildcard game in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, and look, I do also want to say I
do appreciate that, like the like as a Dodgers fan,
like you're just you become Yankee's brand, right, Like it's
and and that's not healthy for anyone. But like my
issue is not that they won't win the World Series.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Right, Yankee fans. I've been doing this all year until
the last like two weeks.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
But I'm just saying, like I do understand that, like
this is first world problems.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
I guess it.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
I totally get that, but I also want to be
clear that, like you said, like the expectation is to
win the World Series every year, and that's when they
set for themselves. But also, like we know the models
say it's like twenty percent, right, Like that's a huge,
huge amount entering the season. I'm not expecting a World
Series every year. I did expect a team with this

(34:21):
talent to win the division and and moderately handily. Right,
So like on that front, it's it is a huge disappointment, right,
I mean, like Ben, this is injuries, but like running
out Ben Kit and.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Robbery, nobody has three catchers. It's the thing, right, Like
I know, like they've.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
No I know it's injuries, but like I don't know, man,
Like they rested Andy Pius yesterday, so it was key
Key Hernandez in center field and and Alex call and
Michael Conforto that was the outfield.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, And I get the thing with comfort like it's
they can just leave them off the playoff roster. The
match might end up doing this.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
But I don't. I mean someone someone was bringing this
up to me. Are if they have him now and
they batted him clean up? By the way, what what rationale?
How do you get to confordo not on the playoff roster?
I can kind of do it kind.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Of who's healthy, right like that that's part of it.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
But you have to basically get to we're carrying justin
Dean for his defense?

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Well that you carry, you carry the n you carry
that someone that that allows you to move pas to
a corner and late innings or something like that, right,
like you do things.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Well, you know, maybe you play Edmund and Center and
Pie is in the corner of the whole time. Right,
That's that's the argument. Look, I would do.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
That, okay, and Center like he's fine, he's.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Actually gotten pretty decent thing. No, but I think Edmond's
probably better. He's like he's a little faster, I mean,
has been pretty bad for a little bit now, not
defensively but offensively. I just look the other part of
this that I wanted to get to, and you guys
talked about it a little bit earlier was and Patrick
brought up with the runners in scoring position. Is like,

(36:08):
this is just a regular team that like when they
look really good when they hit with runners in scoring position,
and they look pretty bad when they don't. And they
look really good when the bullpen's looking good, and they
look pretty bad when they don't. And that's the same
as every other team, well most of them.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
I mean, you're still capable of winning a two for
ten when you have three home runs right.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
From Otani and Bets. That's that's fair, right, No, I
but I'm just saying like it also only worked because
the bullpen moderately held up, right, I mean they should
have won the Yama Moto that they also lost the
game that they got eight and two third no hit
innings out. Yeah, So like there's they are not every

(36:45):
other team. I don't mean it like that, but I
just mean, like their problems are every other team's prob.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
They're losing a bunch of different kinds of games they
would have only lost like one or two.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Of last year. That's a good way. Yeah. Yeah, I apologize.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
To our list of an actual Dodger segment. You're allowed
to talk about the Dodgers during the No.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
It's not what we're talking about him. I just I'm not.
I don't know, I'm not. I don't want to use
the podcast this therapy, like I that's not my point,
Like I don't. This isn't about me and my feelings.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
I isn't like I do feel like the more empisodes
we did, was you doing therapy about Dave Roberts Bullpen
management in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
That's that's true. I was hoping I had like progressed
now a little bit.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
We only become more ourselves, Craig.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
I was also I was also hoping Dave Roberts I'd
progress a little bit, all right, Jeff, take us to segment.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Two, segment too. It's not even that hard to read.
I got some news to tell you. Oh oh about
some wild wild.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Card and the explanation.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
I get this one.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, it's a wild wildlife for the Talking Heads. Off there,
I think underrated. Nineteen eighty five album True Story is
the soundtrack to David Burns first and only feature.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Film, Yeah the Talking Heads. It was a single, ridiculblind spot. No, No,
it's it's me, it's not it's not you, or yeah, whatever.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I didn't get it until you said, oh oh, and
then I'm like, okay, yeah, I got the cadence all right.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Uh. The Mariners put up eighteen runs yesterday and generally
just took Atlanta out behind the woodshed.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
They did some good old run differential correction they did.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
It was like the first like fifty Indians this series.
I had them on fraud watch. But then they scored
outscored them twenty six to two after that, so they also, uh,
they're still on bud watch by the way.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Tons of tons of runs with runners or hits with
runners in scoring position, right, yeah, I mean just like
they did a lot of it even without.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
They also hit a lot of home they hit, they
at to put people in scoring position, and then they
continued to hit while they were in scoring right exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
That's one of those thing that's always interesting me, like
if you leave a lot of runners on base, like
that actually correlates with winning because oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Like well again long term, in the moment.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
In the feeling right about it, yeah, are you Scar
might get the fifty home runs this year very quietly.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
He certainly took a little break, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Is that forty five?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Now?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I think there is two home runs yesterday, I think so.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, and the Mariners retained a one and a half
game lead over the Rangers. The Rangers continue to win enough.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, they took two or three from this week. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, they lost a Hunter Brown Jacob de gram duel. Yeah,
but otherwise what's up? Sure? Yeah right, yeah, it happens
otherwise they won the other two games. Yeah, I mean,
I don't know, we've we've talked about the al wild
guard I think the last couple of pods. Yeah, that's remotely.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Guardians are now involved much to our and a.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Half back because they took over the race spot.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
They took over the race spot right right.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
The race are now four back. The Royals remained two back.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, just again, this is this is also true in
the NL to an extent. At the Mets have a
little bit better, a little bit bigger cushion than the Mariners.
Like it does feel like all these teams just kind
of trade places between four games over and four games
under and can't really put a run together.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
But I think I'm sorry, are you included? Like the
Diamondbacks are somehow now four and a half back over there,
I mean they're now exactly five hundred.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Like yeah, and the Giants obviously went on that run
and then lost two horrible games in a row to
the Cardinals. You know, as bad as that Dodger's loss was,
I think the Giants loss on Saturday when they.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Were Yeah, but the Giants don't matter.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
And they don't. But like they were making, you're making
a run, you're playing the Cardinals, and then your closer
comes in and does not record an out while blowing
up two run lead. It's a bad loss.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
It's a bad loss.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
And then they kind of carried it over into the
game yesterday. They got they get a little comeback, got close,
but couldn't couldn't get there. And like the Mets of
open we'll talk all about the end of the Mets, you know,
lost two to three to the Reds, who are also
i think as well, a very difficult schedule.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
The Reds needed to sweep that because like two of
three is great and this is a little similar to
the Rangers in the sense and the Rangers are obviously closer,
and so it's not quite as ness.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Rangers, I think play the Mariners too before the end
of the season, is that they done already they're done.
They're done.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
The Royals play the Mariners for three games, but that
but like the Rangers are only four back of the division, right,
so like you know that they could have had designs
if they swept these things where you win two of three.
Two of three is good, but it's also one game.
You got one game better.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
You need to like actually have the.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Opportunity to get three games better. And look, I'm not
trying to again like sometimes Hunter.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Was the last game of the series too, right, Like
they won the first two and lost of third.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Right, how for for the Rangers, Yeah, middle game, but.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Maybe I don't know what their schedules of the groom's
lined up to go Friday against the Mats, but I
don't nobody.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
I'm looking at it right now. No, the Rangers won yesterday,
so it was the middle Saturday. They beat They beat
from Bervaldez, Sean Armstrong somehow up to seven.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Six, I guess, always a good thing. We don't hear
about it, Fraanbervaldez start this time around.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
We did. It is the subject of a Vox Square banner.
But yeah, because Dylan Moore has just absolutely Alexandrew wrote this,
but Dylan Moore just runs wild on fromber Valdez. It's
just time to imper She made sure to note Dylan
Moore does not get on base, yeah enough for this
to be to be like truly relevant. But like when

(42:43):
he's on base, he steals against Valdez, which is is
kind of interesting. Yeah. You know, I was asked by
by one of our listeners, Jewels, over the weekend, like
what I thought about the AOA, And I kind of think,
I think the Mariners You're gonna end up with the

(43:04):
best record from your point out, from this point out,
but like it's it's too many. It was three and
a half when.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
That's the thing, right, like you two and a half.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Now it's a lot. It's a lot to make up and.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Something you don't realize, like even if these teams, even
if the Astros play five hundred the rest of the way,
Like it's just just it's hard.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
It's hard to over that. Yeah. Yeah, And so I said,
I think the Mariners have the best record from that
point forward, but that it's very very run over to Well,
I shouldn't remember the problem with the streas Patrick is
the schedule guy.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
I'm the schedule guy, and I'm kind of like the
problem with the strength of schedule is that you when
most places that do this, they do it by overall
agg record, which means, if you play the Rockies, yeah,
you have a week strength of schedule, even if you're
only you can only win those three games three times,
right right. I think the rest of the schedule out
other than those things, they're pretty equal.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Okay, so, but I also I kind of think the
Mariners are the better team is I guess like.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
They also can't get out of their own doesn't.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Mean they're good, No, one's kind like I think they're
I do think they're kind of they're they're the better team.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Cannot wait until they not like eight and eighty seven
wins again.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Not by two and a half, three and a half
games over three weeks.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, you know what I mean. I mean, look that
they could have just played five forty baseball this year,
they probably would have won the division.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
But well, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Like, I don't. I just hope it's not very likely.
But if we get somehow get like a Royals Astros
wild card round, like just the most or Guardians Astros,
like the Astros are kind of playing the role of
the Blue Jays this year. The Blue Jays are also
playing the role of the Blue Jays this year. They're
just like a better version of it.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
It's uh so basically doing the math. If the if
the Astros go five hundred the rest of the season,
the Mariners need to go twelve and seven to tie them.
Twelve sound that bad? I don't know, Yeah I am,
But twelve and seven just doesn't sound that bad until
you think about the fact that on one hundred and
sixty two game season, that's one hundred and two win pace. Yeah, yeah,

(45:20):
probably not. I mean, teams do go twelve and seven, right,
It's a lot easier to go twelve and seven than
one hundred and two and sixty.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
But yeah, probably not.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
And teams that aren't, like really one hundred and two
win teams go twelve and seven over games given.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Nine tiebreaker versus Houston is to be determined. They have
they have one series left, yes they do. It is five.
The series is five to five.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
All right, So whoever wins the series you get.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
You also get some you also get some paired outcomes there, right,
in terms of twelve going five hundred versus going twelve
and seven when you play each other three times out
of nineteen games, so.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Well, and the tidebreaker thing is really relevant. Yeah, if
you go to just talk.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
About how important, it's a bonus game basically.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Right well, I was just gonna say, like how important
it is to win three of three in these situations,
but in this it's not one game you gained, it's two.
It's pretty it's.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Pretty cool when when playoffs intending teams play each other
in September, they should consider doing that.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
I mean, I guess they don't know, but given that
like twelve teams make the playoffs, I feel like, you know, again,
we have some educated guesses.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
You know, Yeah, this isn't the White Sox, the the
Meritis and Astros seemed like they might be good.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
It was even a year, right, well, they they at.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Least they thought like it's very weird, Like I thought
they had scheduled more division games for the end of
the season, but they really, I mean, I guess thet you.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Know, thank god everything, Thank god. These teams played each
other like seven times in the span of ten games
in June. You know, every team seemed to do the
to Dynamo, the Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
And Padres, Giants and Dodgers still have seven left.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
I think, yes, I guess they did. They think the
Giants were like.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
I mean they're now they're not really, but.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
But I mean and that one you could see, sure, right,
that one, I understand. Right, you get the Orioles wrong five, Atlanta,
you get wrong five.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
But look, they're certainly a scenario with these four games
the Mets are playing with. The Phillies are bigger than
they are right this week.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, absolutely, I do want to just say, like, well
we're here. Just I know why I asked her, like,
but to take a step back given the state of
of kind of the Dodgers, I mean just again, losing
five of six to the Padres and to the Pirates
and and Orioles and and all this, like they were

(47:48):
primed to potentially have some separation and look a little
bit more like themselves. The starting pitching has been more healthy,
all the kind of all that kind of stuff, like
they're everyone's lom together, right, Like I think if I
wasn't going to pick the Dodgers, I would have been
leaning the Phillies. But Zach Wheelers out.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Turner, Now we don't know exactly how long?

Speaker 1 (48:07):
That's where do you go? Like, who do you? But
the Mets are basically the Dodgors, right, like in a
lot of ways in terms of like.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Well the Mets, Like, the Mets are an interesting one
because I have no idea who they start in the playoffs,
right the Dodgers, you know it's going to be yes Now,
Glass Now and Yamamoto if they're all healthy. Right, Well,
it's like or im, I don't how much lenything to
give you, but yeah you can.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Yeah, you're probably not demanding that much length anyway. Yeah,
doing doing Roberts a favor by not letting basically not
allowing him.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Dave Roberts, Well, if he one of their three best
starters right now, No, it's a fair pop.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Yama Moto is is going to start. Snell has looked
really good. I think I would take overass glassnow hasn't
looked that great.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
And he's got a glassnow Ken throw out of the
pen too like he has.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah. I also, I mean that's your your for series.
Like if you go into the next series, let's see
you lose it. Whatever you start last Glass four or
you start in game one or whatever, Like I think
that's fine, But I think, uh, I mean, I don't
Kleeen got fifteen whiffs yesterday. I don't know he's been
he's been one other better story maybe.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I mean they have a left he already with now, Like,
if you're playing the Mets, you might want to start
two lefties, right.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
If it's yeah, right. It might depend on that, but the.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Mets could generally start like McLean and Tong in these.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Yeah, I think you have to start McLean in one
of them.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah, I don't Tong, Well, you'll see with Tong and
Sproute will see the rest of the way kind of.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
I think those two are I think you have to
start in the clean.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yeah, I think McLean's We talked about this on Probably
Kids this week because Jared sent me a text. I
think at the beginning of McLain's last start, like because
he's still going to be prospectless eligible, like, what the
fuck do we do it.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Him?

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Shove him?

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yeah, Like, I don't know what else.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I don't. I don't think there's like a Robert gets
Alman situation.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
This.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
He's been a better prospect all along and this looks
pretty real. Like I agree, I mean nothing but Chandler
els who's to give up nine round? I don't really care.
The Bublic channel go up nine runs yesterday, But did
he really yeah, Brewers man, Yeah, of course, of course, yeah,
they might have to like so that's and look, I'm
just like.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
You feel the same way about the Blue Jays. Do
you feel good about the Tigers right now? Who are you? Who?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Brewers series? The Brewers.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
I think you have to take the Brewers. But the
Brewers have taken a bunch of injuries recently, like.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Not having Trevor McGill's like a big deal for that pen,
especially if they want to do like shorter starts in
the playoffs outside of parole. But I think they probably
want to do Like but who are there? Two and three?
Like Woodruff hasn't been great lately, Mizerowski is like a
lottery to like, any given star is like a lottery ticket,
Like Jose Kintana, right, who's been Like I look, I've

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watched Jose Katana pitch well in the playoffs, but I
don't want to bet my you know, a pivotabal game
on it. I think Logan Henderson still hurt.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Yeah, I believe he is.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, so like me, so it's kind of this.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Is kind of what I'm saying, right, Like, there's I
shouldn't have overlooked them. The Brewers are the best team, right.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
But also like it's usilly to say this, like after
they won however many games in a row they won,
like they haven't played as well since then, But like,
also those ones are bigd in so whatever, right.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Like sure, right, well, I guess that's the point. It's
like I was never really valuing them at that level.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
And I don't really believe in like but like speaking
at the right time. When you're playing like three and
five game series, right, it just doesn't too much shit
can happen, right.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
There's no separation between almost any of these these teams.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
I mean there is, Like the Brewers play the Padres
in the in a five game series, they're going to
be what fifty seven forty three favorites something like that,
Maybe not even that much.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
I also look, Jacob Miserski had a nice start against Pittsburgh.
Apparently that's possible to do new splash to the to
the Dodgers. Uh seven innings, eight strikeouts, two walks.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
But like, yeah, but he just flip a coin every
time he starts, Like.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
You look at the season on balance, and and I
know it looked rough for the five starts in the
All Star Game appearance, but what what you Jeff said,
and we talked about when he came up, was like,
he's got a four h nine era. He's walking four
for nine, Yeah, which is in a ton of four
for nine. Look, he's gonna be pretty good if he
walks four for nine. But but to your point, it's
a coin flip.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yeah, and he's gonna have far where he's goose and
walk six guys, right, and you don't want that to
happen in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
And and look, this isn't even walks related. But the
start against the Phillies, he went four and a third.
This isn't a bad start. It's not good, but it's
not horrible. It's not public Chandler four and a third,
three earned one strikeout or sorry, one walk, four strikeouts.
But you know you need length in these games too.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
I can hit one on one in the middle of
the zone if you got to come in, even Alex Jackson,
even Alex Jackson.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
But yeah, I don't know. I I think it's not
like I don't I don't know, I'm not worried about
Hosentana in the playoffs because I don't think that. But
it's it's Peralta, Priest, Woodruff and Misrawski. But but Quinn
Priester is both good and also he's a revelation and
a success and a third starter. Yeah right, And and

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you know that's great for the regular We've how many
years have we done with a bunch of third starters?
Is great in the regular season, and legitimately he's very
he's more than a third starter. But I was generalizing Quinn.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Priester, like we did this with Tobias Myers and the
Brewers last year, right, and they actually pitched pretty well
in the playoffs. But like, you don't so we know
how this is gonna go like three IRA it could
be five innings and two runs and you gotta fill
the other four innings and I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
And look, they have a great bullpen to do it.
It's worked pretty hard. They they're down McGill right now.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
And like Abnuary Rebay is good but had a six
y r a last year. Yeah he's like you know, yeah,
he's like you don't feel super confident when he comes
like he's got the stuff to It's like a little
bit of like the Jose Alvarado where he either has
it or he doesn't like.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
It's yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously a very good picture this year,
Like yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just think I don't.
I don't know who I feel like is the favorite.
I don't. I don't know that I feel that way
about Milwaukee. That's a feeling. It's I don't know, that's
the if. Maybe if I sat down and truly reasoned
it out, I would pick Milwaukee. I don't know, but
I don't know any every team I land on I

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feel that way, right, I don't know. Why don't we
take a break and we came back with the welcome

(55:21):
back to episode four eighty nine of five and dive.
We're on segment three when if you can lose, if
you must, but always cheat.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Words of wisdom from former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura. The
Blues talking about wresh like not.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Pob yes, yeah, no, I understand that both applies.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Yeah, and we are not talking about cheating.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
They're not talking about cheating.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
So this the Blue Jays played the Yankees in a
big series. They did the Yankees won two of three.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
They did.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
They had a nice comeback win yesterday. They had taken
the lead, gave it up, came right back, ended up winning.
Max Fried had a decent start beat Max Scherzer. John
Schneider had some things to say to you have quote.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
I do from the Hazel May on Twitter Hazel May
at the Hazel Man. They were relaying pitches. They're good
at it. Major League Baseball and knows the Yankees are
good when they have something. Maybe I'm the only one
that's going to say it publicly. We have to do
a better job of making sure we're not giving anything away.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Actually, you know, Will said it publicly. Cody Bellinger, Yeah,
like literally.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Just so yes, I saw this quote out of context
because somebody put in the discord. I like, are they
not are they putting signs? Because some pitchers still put
signs down right, like very few, but I think like
Chris Bassett puts a sign sound or something, doesn't use pitch.
They're not using pitch.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Calm.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Again, still perfectly legal to manually if you can hear
your second base and you can pick up the signs
and you're perfectly fined or it's perfectly written and unwritten rules.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
It would be very difficult not to make it legal.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Yes, but this was not that. This was I guess
with runners on bass. Max Cherser was tipping, which again
they were relaying, and John Snyder's upset about like, as
the kids say, this feels like a skill issue to me,
Like you could just not do that, like don't get

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your pitches.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
The intureser was like, yeah, I need to hold my
glove close in my face because basically that's right.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Yeah, yeah, he does, that's what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
And he was like, I tell yeah, yeah, I thought
i'd fix this. And yet now that I, upon reflection,
I was not doing the thing that I thought would
fix it, maybe I should start doing that.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Also, someone on the Blue Jays staff should be looking
at this and telling him in between anyone.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
From what I understand, like the Yankees were like gesticulating
wildly on basis that you would notice like obviously John
Snyder knew because he talked about it in the foots
game pres conference.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Well, and and they stepped out like like uh, Catcher
came out after that home run to be like, hey
man quit it.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Also after the home run, He's lucky Max didn't go
from Bervaldezmo.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
At least he did it privately. Uh yeah, like like
why not just step out one one pitch sooner?

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah? Yeah, they're gesticulating. I yeah, I don't know. I
this this like I said this to Jeff because I
didn't he was catching up on this before the podcast,
and I just no, one can just lose anymore. Like
everything has to be sour grapes or complaining about whatever

(58:40):
that was. I'm sorry you like blatantly fucked up. That's
on you, and Max seems to Max is seemingly fine
with it in that way. I need to do better, right,
that's that's kind of his.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
But to make it like the Apple ship, right, of course,
they like, that's what you're kind of alluding to. But
that is not this.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
That's you. You didn't do your job in this one.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
I'm sorry you're doing the Bill Belichick do your job right.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Bill Belichick is not doing his job from what I
could what I oh, I just I can't. Yeah, I
don't know. This is this follows by the way, I
don't think we should should completely like cut this out
of some context of the Yankees. Aaron Boone accusing Taylor

(59:38):
Trommel a court's bat, and and and again. Alex Alexander
Whitley brought this up in this same Box Square banner.
He said he noticed it earlier in the series, but
waited to bring it up until Tremmeel hit a double. Right.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
I mean you could be waiting a while, given how
Taylor Tremmell has been well, is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
That he was fine with him using what he thought
or I don't know if it was it. It wasn't
it like you're violated the color schemes whatever, right an
illegal bat? Right, And he was fine with that because
it was Taylor Tremmel, you know, is using an illegal bat?
You say, you go ahead until it inconveniences you. They

(01:00:24):
ever did, But like it is also this specter. The
Yankees were up eight to three.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Sure, if you think.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Team play the game, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
The team's batting out of order, you don't do it.
If they make it out you're doing they get a.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Hit right, right, And I'm not saying I don't that's
like part of correct yes, but also shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Sure it's all gamesmanship in a way, but this isn't
even games This isn't even gamesmanship. This is just complaining yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Right, right, and then this especially right, and I get
what Aaron Blue is doing, and he's doing it quote
unquote the correct way to do it, to take advantage
of whatever. But also if you are doing little technocratic
ship like that, I get to say, shut up, just
shut up. And also like if the yank I mean Yankees,
and then I have to defend the Yankees after ship

(01:01:15):
like that because Toronto fixed your ship. Yeah, just deal
with it. Take care. You don't get to complain about
this stuff. I'm sorry. Just go win the division. Stop
being as hell and go win the division.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
You're in the lead. Take care of business.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Let's go to around the horn that one I I
I know, speaking of the Mets and their starters. God
I Sena accepted a an assignment to a that was
an open question.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
I suppose it sounds like he's gonna throw a couple
of ten sessions. I'll give him one star.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
I mean, the thing with him is just his hamstring injury. Right,
It's just I don't know, I.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Don't he didn't go on the ile and he's not.
This isn't a rehab stant I you could argue that
this is yees still the hamstring, but it's mechanical.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Well no, I guess my point is he's been bad
since coming back from the hamstring.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
And I think the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
An injury.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
I think this is literally just we want to be
able to bring him back in ten days rather than fifteen,
because he said after his last start something he in
a way like everything, like, obviously you can find it's September,
you can find something to iel a pitcher for and
he seems to feel like he's not one hundred percent. Now,
whether that's mechanical, whether it's arm related, whether it's you know,
some cascade from the hamstring, I don't know. So yeah,

(01:02:38):
they're gonna But again, like he's a value. He's not
even a veteran. I mean he is a veteran, but
you know, I'm sure by the terms of his contract
that's agreed to accept you assignment he did. It's fine,
enjoy your salt potatoes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Or not.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
But that was the move I call it. Brandon's wrote
the third of the Tenacious Thrupple Craig.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
I liked I like my nickname for them better. But
which is that, John Ham, I.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Know it's not, but mine generation K two.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Yeah, So so the thing about Tenacious thrupple is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Is you have to hear in your head John Haymen even.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Saying it, Yeah, that is, that is one thing about it.
But he's about it to me is the only reason you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Would call them right there, like a two a.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Reference to tenacious d r and then it would be
tenacious three three. That's the joke. But he's now he's
three is already a million times better. Three is not bad.
It does It doesn't really have any context, Like what
is what does that have to do with this? Right?

(01:03:51):
Like but nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
They've already done the baby met stuff for baby and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
It worked so well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
They've built playing this year.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Okay, yeah, uh. The thing is tenacious three isn't even bad.
It's but like fine, it's fine. But now you say
tenacious thruttle Yeah, and like you've now made tenacious irrelevant? Right.

(01:04:22):
It doesn't make any It's just it. It boggles the mind.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Look, Mets fans are already doing weird slash fiic online
about all of these prospects, so you don't need to
encourage them, John Hayman. Anyway, Brandon's froate pitched alright, I
know he's funny. He did take a no hitter into
the sixth. He walked like four guys and give up
a run in the process.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
But yeah, there are a lot of walks and in
his start as well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yeah, he was a little uh shakier against the red
gap a couple of home runs. Like it's fine, like
Brandon's throat is. He was missing again. I was watching
on my phone while trying to crawl five year old
at the Salt Lake Bees game. So in the house
I did. It didn't take as much time as you
think it would. We stood in line for like three minutes.

(01:05:09):
She took a picture with the bee and then we left. Yeah,
I should play many golf. He was missing fastball. He
was pulling his fastball glove side. The breaking balls looked good.
He's been more of a four seam sweeper guy his
last few starts and triple A with some success. He
was also throwing ninety eight in triple A and was
not in his first outing. But again it was fine.

(01:05:33):
They scored one run off Hunter Green, so that was
the end of that story. But I assume he'll take
another turn because Koda Senka is going to be down
in uh in triple A for a bit. He'll go
against the Rangers, I think on Saturday or something like that.

(01:05:53):
We again not a probably a similar line up to
the Reds frankly at this point, depending on who's healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Yeah. Uh, you mentioned this earlier. But Trey Turner is
getting an MRI? Is he on the I L I
didn't see. I don't love that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Maybe they haven't. Maybe they will before Tight's game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
I don't know he is, he is, well, yeah, this
is podcast delayed time. He is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
He's at the doctors right now. He's reading a magazine.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Will know, you will know before we do, in the
sense that we will all know at the same time
after these voices are recorded. Uh, he missed six weeks
last time he had this. But you know, you never
know what a hamstring, what kind of grade it is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
He said after the game he felt grabbing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Well, that's not great.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
No, I did seem like, you know, your usual Ricky
Henderson ten day. Yeah, hamstring problem. So yeah, not good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
I mean, Turner's been great this year, kind of quietly
been great this year.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Yeah, he really defensive metrics love him now, which I
don't have it. I don't entirely, but.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Yeah, he's in the middle of a five and a
half wins season by our war hitting three oh five, No.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
And like the bathroom quite good. I just don't know
if he's like a plus eight short stop now or
whatever people are saying by people, I mean metrics made
by people.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Yeah, he I'm looking at the DRS has a plus two.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Yeah that's the right and uncredible I suppose.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
But yeah, obviously a big blow. Yeah again, I don't
know what to do. Yeah, they'll just play and look,
he's not that as far as it's especially against lefties.
He's not bad. But yeah, still you'd rather hit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Yeah, that lineup is without Turner all of a sudden.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Yeah, out pretty quick? More holes right, exactly exactly, h Jeffrey,
So your time to shine it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
I didn't get this guy, Patrick did this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
It's do your Garrett Hampson show.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
I guarantee garrettmson Iss gonna get DFA by the Cardinals. Yes,
I saw him Pinchron this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
So he might plan somewhere else to run and play
a bad I mean he he might land with the Phillies.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Yeah, it's impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Just the middle infield guy. He can't play shortstop really.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
But you again, you can play center. You play outfield too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
You can probably throw Stott there like if you need to.
I guess, I don't know, yeap.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
His spot went to Alec Burlson, who's had a great year,
like another quiet he's hitting two eighty six, three thirty seven,
four fifty one like his his numbers just.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Set like one twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Yeah. Yeah, just every year he seems to gain another
fifteen twenty points and and like he might just be good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Yeah, it is the Cardinals, so everybody has he's been
playing the majority first place this year, which is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Around around Wilson contraras suspensions and injuries.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
I sup, yeah, looking like yeah he can he can't
really face you know, get my day off against a
rity or something plan. I mean, look, he's fine as
a long side plot to him bad. It's cost control,
et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Uh. The White Sox have won seven of eight camps.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yeah, I don't yeh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Yeah, I just want to say I want to say
that that like we're real short on news right now.
We've gotten past we've gotten past the September call up states,
We've gotten past the roster.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
There's no roster.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
There's some injuries, but not gonna they're.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Not even very many injuries. Everyone pretty healthy this song.
So yeah, we're we're at the White Sox winning seven
of eight.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
I just carried Liketgomery has gone to junior caminera mode. Yes,
he has a two ninety nine OBP and has hit
eighteen home runs in two hundred and twelve plate appearances.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Yeah, he's playing a better shortstop than I expected to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
I mean, I will say this. You watch it, you
watch his home runs and you think, yep, that makes sense.
It's not those are gimmes. He's freaking I mean, the
lift in his swing is substantial. Also, he has fifty
nine strikeouts.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
In fifty strikeout rates. Bad, but it's not if you're
gonna hit for that kind of power.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
No, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
The actual, the actual probably his five doubles, twenty plate appearances,
an eighteen home Look, that's a triple. He does have
a triple.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
He can run.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
But yeah, that's you know, that's one of those words
like I don't look and he's not It isn't like
he tat parade is hitting like just an off home runs.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
That's what I'm saying. Yes, the swing and you're like, okay, yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
But like it's also this is a tough He also
doesn't hit the ball as hard as Junior Campanaro either.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Right, No, I was saying, like obp and whatever, I know,
I know what about friend of the podcast after I
he was he was late in listening, but he reminded
me Pee literally just Pete Crow. I'm strong. Is in
the middle of one of those sub three hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Yeah massive, I mean he's war seasons but max which
is very very good. Yeah, that's like seven raw power.
His full flyball rate is eighteen percent, so he's getting
just about all that seven pulled raw power or fly
ball seven raw power, Uh, thirty seven percent, chase thirty

(01:11:38):
eight percent with against secondaries.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
It's bad.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
But again, if you hit like it's it's fine. But
if you can hit the fast balls and his own
contact rate is fine. Look, is this a guy like
I don't think this is a you know I think
about PCA is he's just super super aggressive, Like he's swinging.
He chases forty percent of the time, but he swings
on his own eighty percent of the time. You know,
eventually you're gonna get exposed doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
What's very funny. But the White Sox, Like this is
weird that it's capable of happening anyway. But Colson Montgomery
has in basically a third of a season forty six RBI. Yes, Like,
how how have the White Sox supplied him? I mean,
I granted eighteen of them have been himself, but somehow eighth.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Saw something like their second half, you know, bust or
whatever is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Like not that case, the dra is walking in front
of him or something. Yeah, doing anything else?

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
A lot a lot of players are walking and not
doing anything else. Kyle te you know, has a three
D six obp.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Lenon Sosa not walking says that the only guy not
walking on this team. Everybody else, Yeah, Kyle, til you
mention Edgar carrow Is is also walking, been doing nothing else?
Well he hits.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
He hit six, Yeah, well, like and like he has
a little.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
He has four wins out of these two catchers.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
And then like he hasn't played a full season obviously Caros.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
But and that's that's that's reference for I don't know
what the framing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
They don't like. Caro is not a great defender, Okay,
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
No negative nine, So they're not going to get four
wins out of those not by our not by Baseball
Reference war But like, is this like getting that Robert
is a weird semi like Schrewdinger's box kind of way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Is it time to start kind of thinking like maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
So here here's the problem with that. I started putting
it together prospect lists for the annual specifically, and I
went over the White Sox won and like they fired
all their bullets. Smith and Smith and Schultz have gone,
and Schultz is like, Schultz can't get right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
He's out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Smith is walking the ballpark, and then like Breda Montgomery's fun.
I like what Caleb bonhamers on this season, but he's
ways away. Like they have a lot of names, but
they had a lot of names last year and they've
graduated that you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Did you did put a White Sox name. I did.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
He's like he's not going to pitch until like May
of next year from Tommy Jott. But look he's also
he's also a left handed starting pitching prospect, which they've.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
I'm trying to be a company man here to sure
we did the ten pack.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
I like that Larson, I really do, but like they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Twenty twenty six breakouts yeah, uh and Jeffrey opted to I.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Like Blake Larson throw a dart up Blake, I was
trying to like, I hate the dark throw, start throw.
I tried to move a dark throw from the second
one about I thought about landon Bitterack for the Dodgers,
but I just didn't feel it was gonna be faster
for me on Sunday night to write a paragraph about
break Blake Larson then landon Bitterck. So where we went.
But uh, yeah, I don't. The pitching is still a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Yeah, the pitching is a real and again Jonathan Cannon's
backed up, Yeah, significantly, it's here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Shane Smith hasn't had a great second half.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Like it would.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
It would feel so much more comforting if you had
any faith that they had anything to do with Adrian Houser.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
It does not look.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
I mean they've like maybe they did, but they do
like they do do like some pitching developmental stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
But I just also say they've had multiple pitching kind
of successes with Banister.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
They're not able to stretch out Crochet as a starter.
Fetti was obviously he did a lot of that in
the KBO, but they were able to maintain it, and
they've like gotten pop up guys here and there, but again,
it's just it's tough to find.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
I mean, Shane Smith is a win, but this it's
it's kind of like the whole thing with like this
guy's will win and he's a three, Like they get wins,
but they're four fives. Yeah, right, but that is the win, right.
They took a nobody, they took a rule five where
nobody and turn them into a fourthish starter. And that's
that is extremely not nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Right, that's fine, but like you can't then have both
your left handed first round pitching prospects.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
That's that's that's a big problem.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Right, And Canon's been one of the worst pictures in
baseball this year. Like, yeah, it seems it seems to
like there's magic. It does not seem like the magic,
uh is little magic?

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
What they're gonna win like fifty eight games this year? Yeah,
Like so that's progress, but like there's a ceiling here, right,
and I don't think it's like eighty five wins.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Right, No, Yeah, look, you can do it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
This is stuff again, this is stuff you can solve
with money. But they're not going to do that either.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
So yeah, that was a lot, a lot of time
on the webs We didn't even mention Mike Talkman. Should
have traded him, Yeah, maybe should have traded him. I
don't know Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
They got Alex call. He's been fine.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Yeah, no, he has been fine. That's uh. That takes
us to our game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Like I don't like it's a new game. As far
as I can tell, you're supplied before you, before you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Before you, before you get into it. I should have
noted this at the top, but the reader very nicely
said I haven't been begging people to subscribe, uh, and
and checked on the the health of the website. I
want to say two things on that front. One, I
probably should just always beg people to subscribe, please subscribe.

(01:17:50):
But the that was I was trying to do a drive.
Look the I updated this online, I hadn't on the podcast,
which is my fault. The drive. We we are still
up since we kind of started that drive. But it's
it's very small. It's one to two percent, which I
am very grateful for. It is I'm going to be
just very forthright. It is probably not enough to stave

(01:18:12):
off a price increase at some point in the future. Here,
I don't have details on when that is, I will
provide them when I have them. But that was what
I was trying to do. I was trying to keep
the price at forty five ninety five for an annual
sub It's probably not enough to do that. I also
want to be very clear that when we talk about
increasing the price, it is not that the site is

(01:18:33):
about to go under tomorrow and this is a last
stitch effort. This is planning ahead. The reason we're doing
that is planning ahead. So the site is fine, We're fine.
Tostitos are seven dollars bad. You get a year subscription
in Baseball Perspectives for forty six bucks right now.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
Pretty soon you'll have to get a subscription to get
to Stito's and you'll be paying for the studs. Yeah,
because that's how that's how the economy works.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Adobe.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Yeah, Yeah, it's called chip pass and but but yeah,
I appreciate it's very kind of you to ask Alec.
Thank you for for uh And I hope I'm I'm
saying that correctly. Please correct me if I'm not. But

(01:19:23):
all of that is to say like we're okay, and
all this is planning in advance and to make sure
and to you know to ensure that we remain okay.
But always always get a subscription by a gift subscription
for someone else. Tell your friends to get is that
coming soon? Is going? I mean soon? Soon is all relative,
but it will be. Yeah, we will do it in

(01:19:44):
November to December. It's usually right around Thanksgiving. Maybe it's
soon in the sense that time really just very quickly here,
especially we're all doing the book. So yes, so thank
you for asking. I'm sorry, I have him a good

(01:20:04):
about updated. I try, I really, I try not to
bug people, is the thing. But yeah, that's that's my pitch.
That's the update, and please continue pass.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
So the game's pretty simple. It's called ten Tens because
I made it up. Because if you submit a game,
feel free to name it if you want. I will
name it if you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
But I.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Will supply it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
He helpfully.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
So Alec Berry supplied the game. He helpefully created a
hidden spreadsheet. So I have categories here that I have
not looked at except to see that they're hidden, so
that I could play the game. And the way it's
going to work is we're going to give you a
category for a team, and you have to decide who
led the team in that category over the past quarter century.

(01:20:51):
It's twenty twenty five, so you're going to tell me
who had the most of the statistic for this team
between two thousand and twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Folks, like, this is gonna be ugly. Was on my part.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
I haven't played a game in like three months. The
rust is like, I'm more rust than man at this point.
So his scoring. He made a proposal for the scoring system,
and that is that the three whichever of the three
of us has the highest ranked one gets three points.
Whoever gets the second highest gets two, whoever gets the

(01:21:26):
third highest gets three. But you have to have gotten
somebody in the top taking to get any points.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Okay, that top ten really harmful to my ability to
gain points, but I understand it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
We're going to go through all ten and then I'm
going to open it up and find out what the
score was. Okay, So all right, so we're going to
start pirate's innings pitched. Who has thrown the most innings
as a Pirate in the last twenty five years?

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Oh my god, someone I surely don't remember on this team. Yeah,
I mean, like, like well, and and you know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
The funny thing for me is like you say pirates pitcher,
and I immediately think, oh, Matt Morris.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Not because I get that pirates. I think I thought
of Tom Gorcelani. Was he a pirate? Yeah? I thought
about yeah, and he didn't throw the most inning, But
I just thought like, oh, who's a Pirates pitcher? Oh man,
we're just shouting them out? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Yeah, I'll write them all down and we will.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
We will go through. Can we pick the same if
someone picks one, we can't. I feel like we.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Should do this. I feel like we should do this blind,
Like I don't no, fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
It because somebody has to be you know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
I mean when you go through us, we each pick
a name for each of the ten, then we reveal
them all at the end.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Yeah. Oh, like we're writing them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
You want to write them down?

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
Yeah, I have a pencil.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
I'm writing open out loud.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
But that the way, like if we picked.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
The same, we're all writing our own down. I think
that's that's that's not as good radio.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
It is not as good a radio. And you want
to edit more, Jeff than I.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Mean, we can go fairly quickly. Yeah, I'm not going.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Pirates, but a compiler. I already have picture. I already
have I am you know Jesus, I'm doing a nice
level swing on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
I don't think I have the most. I think I
might have the second most. I'm going for two.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
M h m hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
This game is going it's not going to go quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
It's not going to go better. Okay, I wrote one down.
I mean in the interest of not taking forever, all right, Jeff,
did you okay? Cool? Second one boy? Second one?

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Mariners put outs put out put outs.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
So does this count catchers for strikeouts?

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
I think it's only.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
OK.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
But it's it's a challenging one. I'm gonna show my
ass here. The first basement doesn't first baseman does get us.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Does get credit.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
That's what I thought, And.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Then I was like, does know, here's here's a fun
one who lasted more than three four years. Yeah, they don't.
They don't tend to do that very much.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
I got mine, but like they have such an advantage.
I know they do.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
They do.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Yeah, but I I couldn't tell you. I could. I
couldn't tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
We each get one.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Well, you know I would say I'm annoyed that this
is mine, but it's no be more annoyed by his. Actually,
maybe not, Maybe you just know I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
I do a lot of Mets sporkle class, so it's
possible I'll be able to pull something there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
But first base, I truly I don't even know. Oh no,
mum m craig.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Just write a name. I did write a name, okay,
thinking well, you can think what we do the next one.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
The next one Mets batters hit by pitch, so the
Met Yeah you're battery batter the gut, hit by the
by the most pitches.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
Yeah, yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Uh Dodgers home runs.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Oh come on, I mean you probably can figure I honestly,
like off the top I had, you can probably figure
that out too. Probably they got a lot of weird
big big one season guys.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
It's like there for a while. But also like.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
You have e raced my name like three times?

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Lauren? Yeah, okay, yeah, I wrote her name. I don't.
I honestly don't feel that great about it neither.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Why all right? Next one?

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Blue Jays stolen bases.

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
Mm hmm, ok.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Do you wow? Like those two thousands.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Did you run a name? I have not. No, No,
I was still filling in my last one. Let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Jay's stolen bases. That's all.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
That's all. I really don't like I'm drawing big time blanks.
I think my guy's nineties.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
I'm pretty sure the nineties. This is the problem for
this game is that two thousands are very, very very
cut off for me. Eighty eight to ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Like the first thing that came out was like Devon White,
like he did not playing this jury. You know what
I think he did?

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Ye, I'm going to write a name down just because
I feel like remembering a guy I don't think. I
don't think he even ran very much.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
All right. The next one Cardinals errors.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Yeah, oh god, can I just it's not going to
be him because of how errors are awarded, But like,
I just feel like, because of the gift, it should
be Marcelo Zuna Cardinals errors. I have no idea whether

(01:28:49):
that's going to be correct or not. Whether all right,
I got one, okay, all right, Next one, Brewers pitching walks.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
It was what the most batters as.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
A brewer, okay, pitching off for them? Maybe nobody nobody
pitched it I know, I'm just gonna nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
I'm putting a name down. Those awful, awful upsets me
that I wrote this name.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
All right, next one Rockies Saves.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Wow, Okay, all right, I feel like I got a
name I feel decent about.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Okay, I should remember who like the good Rockies closer was,
you'd think, but I have.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
I had one name come to mind immediately, and I
just I'm going with it, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Orioles strikeout pictures. There is picturing Orioles pitching strikeouts.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
Brian Bergerson. I'm doing this is I'm going to go
back into hibernation after this game. I'm just not going
to play another game.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
It's not good.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
I'm just going quickly. So we have I'm not spending
a lot of time on it, but.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
I feel like it's not going to help you thousands.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
It rarely does chucked. But that's a personal that's a
skill issue. That's good fact. Okay, I got them and
Leslie Cubs home runs mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
I just thought of a bad, dumb answer that actually
could be correct for it for Cubs. Yeah, I'm not
going to say it because I have a feeling it's
in the top ten, but you give me a second.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
I want to go with, and I decide if I
want to change my answer to.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
I honestly don't know which one had more, so I'm
just gonna stick with my first instinct.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Yeah, hold on, I had to cross I had to
cross mine out. I'm struggling, Okay, all right, I wrote
something down. I don't feel good about it, but never okay,
all right.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
So we're all ready yeah, okay, al right, Pittsburgh Pirates
innings pitched. Let's see.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
I'm just gonna hide them all let's see, and I
won't look at them unhired rows. It didn't work. Hit
an unhide unhide rows. Okay, Oh shoot, all right, I said,
Mitch Keller.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
It's not even a bad pick.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
It isn't that bad a pick.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Apparently.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
All right, what do you guys have?

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
I had Friendless Coleriano, al right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
Seventh, Garrett Cole, Garrett Cole's fifth. I win this one.
Mitch Keller is third the answer. I should have gotten this.
I don't know why I shouldn't have got it, but
I see it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
And Paul Mahome, oh remember, because I did.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
I did, And it's just like the lefty.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
Yeah, alright, So, uh, Craig gets two, Jeff gets one,
and I get three. All right, Next Mariners put outs, Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Go ahead, I did Adrian Beltray.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
Adrian Beltray is not on the list.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Yeah, I'm not surprised, but I just I don't know.
You did? Yeah? Good?

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Uh he is sixth.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
I did John Olerud and he is somehow first, Okay,
I honestly I thought yeah, and I thought about it,
but then I thought, I'm just not going to do
an outfielder, even though given the length, like, all right,
that's hit by pitch, Go ahead and say it. Starling Marte.
I did David Wright. Starling Marte is tied for tenth.

(01:33:11):
I'll take it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
Sorry, what did you get, Craig.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
Jeff McNeil is third, So you get you get the
three points?

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Number one?

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
Pete Alonzo.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
A lot too.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
I thought, I said, did right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
And I got true too.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Tricky right didn't play as much as you think.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Yeah, part of it is.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
Right on it, right is on right with seventh. Okay,
so I get two points, Craig gets one point, I get,
and Chef gets three points.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
Next Dodgers home runs, I said, Matt Camp. Uh, Matt
Camp is second, okay, I said, uh, I said, what
did they say? I said Adrian, No, I didn't, I said,
Adrian Gonzalez, who is not on there, zero points for me?

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
I said maximum next month he is first.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Nice. Yeah, good way to pulling out. This was in
the news. I'm so stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
I didn't even know that. I just thought it was
in the news there in.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
The little stretch between his his injuries. Yeah, he passed.
He passed his two hundredth home run as a Dodger
or whatever in past ten.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
All right, blue Jay is stolen bases. I went with
Jose Reyes, who is tied for seventh.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
I thought about didn't play there much.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
I remembered it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Guy, I haven't went Vernon Wells. I don't even know
if he ran.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Vernon Wells is third with.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
Speed. Guy, I don't know my mine is going to
be on the list, I said Shannon Stewart. I decided
to remember.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
He was the guy from the nineties. He stuck around.
He he had sixty five stolen basis. If he ties
for fifth, Craig gets two points, one point, I get,
Jeff get three, and I get one. So halfway through,
Jeff has twelve, I have nine. Yeah, Craig has seven. Yeah,
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
Moving on Cardinals Air, I punched this one. Edgar Rena
is first place I actually picked. Ah, okay, well short
stop there for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Not a great defender, but okay.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
Yeah, I'm gonna get no points. I couldn't. I just
said Nolan Gorman.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Gorman's not on there. No on Aaronado he is. Yeah,
I should have thought of that, all right, Next Brewers Walks.
I went with Jeff Soupan and hated myself for it
because I couldn't remember if he was one of those
guys who always walked people and got away with it
or didn't, and he did not, He's not on the list.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
I went with Manny Para.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
Oh, Manny Para is sixth.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
All right, how do you remember Manny park? Because it
was yeah, he picked up homes, but you remember Manny
he walked.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
I should have gone with but I feel like Para
walked more guys.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
All right, I'm gonna tell you this. I'm gonna go
with who I wrote down, even though I regret I
kind of didn't like Doug Davis walk a lot of guys.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
Doug Davis sure did I he I thought of two
he is third.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
It is not who I wrote down. I would like
to say Doug Davis because I thought of it. I
thought of it after like before now.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
But after changed it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
No want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
I know no one would have been.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
I'm trying to be honest. I'm gonna lose anyway. I
wrote Ben Sheets.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Ben Sheets is fourth, So you still uh yeah, No.
I I thought Doug Davis, and I thought Dave Bush,
and I forgot that Doug Davis lasted longer than Dave
and I thought Doug Davis had been Dave Bush's career.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Okay, So I thought of Doug Davis and then I
said I don't and then I thought of Dave Bush.
Because you number always together? Yeah, who is number one?

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Number one is EO Vonni Greyar.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
I sure just pick.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
Sure Breddy Pearl's a second.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Yeah that also.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
He works like three and a half for an eye,
but he just pitches constantly.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
There's a lot of innings. Also, no hits, right like yeah, yeah, all.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
Right, Rocky saves.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
All right, this one I felt decent about. I.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
I three putted this one.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Bryan in Flentis is first.

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
Good job, Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
I picked J. J. Putts. Did he even pitch for
the Rockies.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
No, he did not zero. I finally catch up a
little bit and said that I get second. I picked
Daniel Bard because I knew he got turned out to
be fourth.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
I really overthought that way, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
So at this point, just like back to back, he did, Yeah,
you're right, something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Again, I don't with two categories left, uh, it's Craig thirteen,
me fourteen, and Jeff is at seventeen. Step one still
in it. Oriole strikeouts.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
I don't feel good about what I went with.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
I feel like he's on the list.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
But I went with Eric. Eric is fourth, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
I want with Chris Tillman.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
Chris Tillman, so did I, and he is first. Wow,
so you got last game? You are? Do I get
one for that? You get?

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
You get one one back?

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Ye all right?

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
And last thing, making sure how it works Cubs home
runs I went with.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
I also went with I went with Aramis Ramirez.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
Aramis Ramirez the second and that would be enough to
win it for you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
So is first? Yeah, oh by only three home runs?

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
Okay, aramis is very.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
I thought about where Derek was Derek Lee on there,
because that was the other one I thought about Derek Lee.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
That's a good era of Cubs. I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
I couldn't the one was there a little bit longer.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
The one I laughed about actually is the third Sammy so.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Oh yeah, so too.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
And then I thought a lot of nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Yeah he did didn't have a sixty home run season
in two thousands.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
I think he did one or two. Yeah, yeah, uh
so Jack, you win. Congratulations, twenty two points for you,
twenty for me, seventeen for Craig. We all show honestly
not I.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
Know that wasn't like zeros, but like I'm a little annoyed.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
I just didn't go with Jomani Gayardo, but I really
got him feel on my oats on many para.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
So yeah, the game of for you, Like Chris Tillman,
I'm like I felt gentleman.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
I felt good, but like it felt like I was
forgetting some Oriioles picture from the two thousands and there, which.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Is it's also a good that I like immediately came
up with Brad Bergerson but couldn't think of Chris Tillman.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Yeah, credit credit to Alec. There were there was a
good ratio of like obvious answers, like Pete Alnzo for
by pitch with none of us Scott and you know,
Anthony Rizzo for home runs, which makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
And then Brian was actually obvious that if you remember
Fantasy in two thousand and six, that was important to
me at the time. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
Yeah, So congratulations, good job.

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
Thank you Alec. That was good. It was a good game.
Hopefully we played it in a in a suitable hopefully
the blind.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
Congratulations to Jeff who now has to edit.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
I mean, I don't I don't know if Jeff is
editing that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
I don't know if anyone's listening to these words right now.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
We're getting we're getting into this season. Thank you for
the game, Alex. Thank you to you both for cost,
and thank you to our listeners for joining us on
a another episode of five and Dive brought to you
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to be over, your time is now.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
It's always season.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
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