Five and Dive, Episode 490: Wake Us Up When September Ends

In Episode 490, Patrick, Jeffrey, and Craig chat about Balatro Completionist++ strategies, and then discuss five mostly baseball topics.
 
1. Ooh-woo-wee, the Wild Card is calling: Yeah, we have to discuss what remains of the playoff races. The Mets are making it more interesting, but it's not that interesting.  
2. What Else To Watch: Can we interest you in some hard ground balls? No, how about leaderboard sorting?
3. Early Exits: Some injuries that might effect the last two weeks of regular season baseball and beyond.
4. Around the Horn: Front office news and team ownership news.
5. Who have been the most replaceable players this year?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Welcome to episode four ninety of five and five. It
is Thursday, and if you don't know the date, that
means you forgot. I'm your host, Craig Goldstein, joined as
usual by Jeffrey pattern Nostro and Patrick dubuqu Jeffrey didn't
like my intro.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
No, well whatever, I just literally did forget which day
it was, so, well, well now you remember, Yeah, don't
do that.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Patrick, Okay, who's got banter?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Not me? Not me driving the other driving my kids
to various schools, sometimes my own, sometimes sometimes there, sometimes
the others.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
It's yeah, I am at a ninety five percent in
completionist plus plus in Bilantra. That's mine. That's finally, I
finally gold stick or the dumb jack hit the road
jack card.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Oh yeah, I hit that card. I hit a bump
in that game, and I think I'm ready to let
it go. I can do most of the stakes before
gold and the gold Steak ones. It's to me, it's
just not fun.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
It is it isn't It isn't. There's like a limited
number of actual combinations of jokers that work for that,
Like I do it on anaglyft deck just for complettionist reasons, right,
because you hit like the seven double tag negative card
or something to try to collect jokers. I'm at the

(02:00):
point now where that doesn't even necessarily hit the jokers.
I need. I need, like I need like a couple
of random comments, which is annoying, but then like some
of the uh like steel and Stone specific uncommon jokers
too that are annoying to get.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
I just find that at the higher levels you just
constantly just restarting.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Fun.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
There's like a joke on the bilatro reddit channel, which
I do follow for like fun seeds and stuff like that,
that uh you know what what blind like what boss? Uh?
Blind eliminates most players, and usually it's like the plant

(02:46):
or something like that, or like violet vessel and they
took it's actually small blinds. People just restart if they
don't get the first hand in uh one hand the
first Yeah, the seven bucks yond gold stick.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
I mean I played it, I beat a couple of
things and then I put it put it down. I
don't think I've like charged my switch in months, so you.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Know, I lately it's like a like again, I'm forty
three and I like I can't just sit down and
play one hundred hour charepgs anymore, so I play things
I can play quickly. I just started playing the game
Boy Advanced Warrior ware. Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's like

(03:31):
annoying but also great, like you can play it for
like a half hour under standing it.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Speaking speaking of your referencing that you're a parent, I
do want to thank the commenter on on iTunes who
gave us a rating and review this week. I do
check it occasionally. I know I asked for for it
occasionally at the end of the podcast, so thank you
for doing that. We really enjoyed your comment and we'll
work on the on the talking over each other. But

(03:58):
with Jeff and I, it's tough.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well he meant he's from Jersey. I would just like
to point out that I've done a podcast with Jared
Sailer for nine years, who's also from Jersey. So if
I don't talk over him, I don't get any get
to say anything at various points.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
But I'll stop, I'll let you go. I'm from My
family is from New York, New Jersey, but I I've
got a little Maryland to me. Anyway, we can get
into the show. Our first segment, I'm not I'm not
going to sing it. I know the rest. Okay, ooh ooh,
the wild card is calling. I got I know that one.
Thank you. The Mariners survived thirteen innings against the Saint

(04:35):
Louis CARDINALSS this morning.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Because he's staying out for the thirteen innings.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Of the Yeah, they are going. They remained one and
a half up on the Rangers, who swept Milwaukee.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
I wouldn't worry for any Milwaukee fans. They're very They're
doing just fine. But the Mariners, it was what Leo
rebas right, Yes, bench runner run in a walk off
home run. Yeah, uh, that was I watched the extra
innings of that game. Riley O'Brien loaded the bases with

(05:14):
no outs h in part because Seattle tried to give
him an out, but he tried to get the run
at third and had no chance. He then got an
out at home and then got an out at a
home to first double play. I mean, it was like you, like,
whoever wrote this, I'm guessing Patrick wrote survive thirteen. I

(05:34):
did not thought I clearly I can't read.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
I mean, the Cardinals also had bases loaded now it's
in the second Yeah, yeah, absolutely, these two teams are Yeah,
survive is is one.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
But like it was really like both both teams were
holding a knife to their own throat, right like it.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Like no one, no one was the impressor here ambulance.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yes for me, combined, you know, because we're doing runners
in scoring position combined, the two teams five for thirty seven.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
That's not good, es, that's like two games of Los
Angeles Dodgers baseball right there.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, apparently not against the Rockies, but but anywhere else,
anywhere else, that's correct. I'd also know Jeff brought them
up in this in this instance, not sure.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
So.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
So the Mariners stand in front. I guess I don't
know what are we.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
I'm kind of happening. It's the last three weeks of
the season. Talking about the playoffs race.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, but the Mariners have also won five in a row. Yeah,
well that's will. The Rangers have one four in a row.
They are one game back of Houston.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yes, they all play each other closet.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Round the Astros. Just they could be tied to the Astros.
You know, got to Jeff hoffin.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Onely doable thing. Yeah, it drove down the stretch here.
I think it's interesting. You know, we noted our playoff odds.
I had just pulled up the standings on ESPN. The
This isn't the divisional odds, but the playoff odds. The
Mariners are higher than the Astros, despite the Astros having
the game a game lead. So it's it's not you know,

(07:18):
it's not just a quirk of Pokoda.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
No, but Pakoda's believed in it for a very long time.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Well sure, but yeah, I mean Pokoda still has Seattle
finishing at eighty eight, wins Houston at eighty seven, Texas
at eighty four.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, it Pakota thinks Texas is a seventy five win team.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
And given with the lineup, again, given the right you
were looking into and mat true Blood wrote about Michael Hillman, Yeah, right, Like,
given what we're seeing here, well, and Michael Hillman, that's unreasonable.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Michael Hillman's the star compared to the other Like, yeah,
I'm the third of that lineup, Alejandro Souna. You've got
who else been hitting more? Dylan Moore sometimes?

Speaker 1 (08:03):
You know, is Donovan Solano?

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Uh, Dusty Harris hitting for them at this point?

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Uh? No, not do.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Whatever not.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Dustin Harris, Yeah, no, he's around, He even around.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah yeah, I uh oh Sam Sam Haggerty, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
So the multiple Mariners cats, yes, Haggarty.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Uh, that's I think that's why I said Solano, because
I tell is it's like, why don't they build the
entire team out of Mariners second basement? Because you shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Second basement is the funniest part, because the Mariners can't
second Also rowdy tellers, right, I think you're also rowdy?

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Uh, yeah, I don't. Did you know? This is news
to me. I'm just looking at their team. Did you
know Billy McKinney took to play two in two games
for this team this year twenty twenty five?

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Sure I didn't, but sure, like yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Uh, you know the least number of games he's played,
you know since in his entire career, since the COVID year,
which he also played two games. Every year he has
found away on a roster.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
I need to get Garrett Hampton involved as all I know.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
They very much did.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
He might be.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
He's available, I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
And he's been. He did he play in Seattle at
any point? He did? Right? I feels like he should
have probably needs to stop in Seattle and get cut
and then go. I don't. I don't know what else
to say about about this.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
There's nothing to talk about in September, like nothing, especially
this September.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
We have a podcast. I know.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
It's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Craig uh yeah, the the The It was not a
fun game to watch for multiple reasons. I had to.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
I had to listen because it was it was the
last game on of the day.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
To it feels the too many bunts.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
There's a lot of bunting. Maybe just I'm watching are
watching the Padres, the Padres and the Brewers. It seems
like they bought a lot the Diamondbacks to.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Prick digging up some.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I'm probably I'd probably write an article about this.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
I'm hoping that, Like I know, it's left on left,
but they bunted with Jackson Merrill instead of Ryan O'Hearn
left on left.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
We should talk about we should talk about the Padres
a little bit. I mean they're involved in the wild
Cards discussion. They fit into this. They were playing the Reds. Uh.
They lost to the Reds. They lost two of three.
I don't, I don't.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Actually I think today I think they lost two or three.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, no, they did well. They did lose two or three.
It was just not sure if they played today and
the game that the Padres won, they came back against
the Reds.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Begin a series with the Rockies today.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I think that's right. You're right, So it was. It
was a three game series they lost to Andrew Abbott
when Indians.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
As I said, as I said in the probably you
could discord just what long time listeners of the Pod
want relying on Nick Pavetta to shut down a team
in a playoff race, which he did. Frankly, Yeah, I
was gonna say.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
It wasn't the bats that really carried them. It was
a two to one, two to one game. The late
the lateening relievers had pitched in us Emilia. Pagan had
had pitched in the prior two games for Cincinnati. So
Antonio santi On or sorry Tony santi On, close this

(11:33):
one out. You mentioning Meryl made me made me think
of this. But like Merrill got one out to the
center field warning track with a runner on. Yeah, I
mean this that was a tight series. That was actually
good September baseball all told. But the Reds are now

(11:54):
what two back.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
And I have the tiebreaker. The Giants dont right, right,
So it's the Mets call one and.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
A half if you want the Mets have I'm sure
you've talked about Yes, this is quite a bit. I
don't know if you want to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
At the lost five straight, they can't score runs anymore.
After Eric Chaves was taking victory laps on Instagram. So
that's where we are.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
I'm sorry, can you run that last part by me again?

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Well, like Mets fans were getting into Eric Chavas because
the team can't they've had for like two weeks, and
he started like clapping back on Instagram. And now they're
not hitting again.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
So Jan Soto continues to steal bases he does.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
He's got his thirty thirty season, teeny turning towards forty forty.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Now I was gonna say it could easily get there.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
It could. Yeah, they're outside of their three kids. Like
every Clay Homes and shan Ma Andya start as a disaster,
but they're gonna have to keep starting play homes in
shrom Andyah because they've and petersonism good recently either, and
they get Jacob after hiss aletto today they get Jacob
de Gram at home on Friday.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
So one of my favorite things about the one sort
of thing, Yes, the thirty thirty thing is, you know, incredible,
he's only six back of the leader. Uh those heres
is leading baseball and stolen bases with thirty seven, like
the still in bases are way up, but not on
an individual level.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, someone I think maybe Ben Clemens wrote about this
at Fangrafts. Fangrafts definitely covered it that like it is,
it's it is dispersed significantly. But it's also interesting to
me that like the guys that busted out in that regard,
like Ellie de la Cruz has he hasn't stopped running.
But you know, there was a time people thought he

(13:43):
was gonna go ninety one hundred stolen basis. He's still
sixty seven last year to your point, thirty five this yeah,
or thirty four I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Thirty four it. Yeah, And like the fastest guys in
baseball are there, they're like everyone's still being a little
too conservative. It feels like Corpord Carrol's twenty six for
thirty two. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
I did see someone else and I don't remember who,
posting about this yesterday but like Soda would be, is
I guess the slowest person to have a either a
thirty stolen based season or a thirty thirty season or
something like that, Like he's in the fifteenth percentile on
sprint speed. Yeah, obviously I don't know before that, like
what you know, how you would necessarily measure the slowest

(14:27):
person to get thirty stolen bases, but like it is
a little bit jarring.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Well, they're the Metsa basically giving credit to Antoine Richards
in their first base coach, they're doing a lot of
like running or hopping lead. They've gotten pretty good at
timing the picture.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Because they had like the Vulpe lead the sort of
like that.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
But I mean they're taking like full walking leads and
just going like Lindor and Sodo, especially so that they
had gone like something close to three months. I think
that getting through not by a catcher at any point
in time in athletes.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, that did that end?

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Finally, Yeah, the tribe Now, I think in the Red
series there's somebody out at third.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Because Alexandra Whitley mentioned that it had been since.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Like yeah, look, they'll get picked off, and they have
gotten picked off some but they're still stealing, and it's
starting to not be quite They're still I think, having
enough success to keep doing it, but they haven't. Teams
are starting to catch on a little bit.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I mean, so doas thirty one for thirty four? Yeah,
like he not only does he those one of the
most technically too. Yeah, I know they're picked off stealing.
I don't think he's been thrown out by a catcher
all year. Maybe once, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
I don't know. So, I mean, obviously you describe what's
wrong with the Mets, like is it?

Speaker 3 (15:48):
I mean, look, I said that, like I have generally
not been worried because the only I do not think
the Reds and Giants are going to make a real
run here, So it has to be the Mets collapsing,
and well here we are check back on Monday.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I mean, the worrisome thing about being chased by the
Giants is that it's all on you. Like the Giants
are gonna finish.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
With Yeah, They're going to finish like yeah, yeah, and
you you it's.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Your job to get about that number. And if you don't,
they they're not gonna They're not gonna fall apart for you,
because they're going.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
To beat them.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Should also note, just in the context of this, I
believe Cincinnati is getting Chase Burns back Friday. I think, yeah, So,
I mean that's a big they can always they could.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Use Who's gonna say they can always pitch like that's.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
They will pitch this year. Yeah, but it's a big deal.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
The Mets just played Threads and won the first game
of that series and lost the next two. You know,
they could have probably buried that they want to out
of three, but right, I just want to.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Know before we move on. I just want to note
that that pitch up, that pitching matchup in tonight's Padre's
Rockies game is incredible. Randy Vasquez now.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Randy Vasquez somehow in Colorado, though it would have been
better in Colerado.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
The tragic thing is that two of the three bit
pitchers who are worse than Randy Vasquez in terms of
WARP this year are Rockies. Of course, in Antonio's Cencintel
is not starting anymore and her mom Marquez. Instead, he
is getting mccaid brown mcaid brown.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah. That so I was gonna guess once you brought
it up, Like you guys, check got this pitching matchup.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
It's Brown, three starts, twelve point five four six strikeouts.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
I did for some reasour for some reason, I ten
packed him, like right before you got called up.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
I don't yes, you did.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
I don't remember why other than we needed a ten
pack and I just the Rockies are a fairly early list,
I guess, and he had like superficially good numbers. So
I ten packed it. And I literally said, like, they've
got to call up and he's gonna be bad. And
they immediately called him up and he's been bad.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
He has a thirteen percent walk right. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Uh, it's like every third round college picture they've taken
for a decade. He was taken in the third round.
But around there I've seen I don't see these guys
anymore than living Hartford, but I've seen McKay Brown.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
He was taken in the third round.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
There you go, every third Carl Kaufman Ian Rollison was
earlier than that. But yes, first supplemental for something. So
is this that?

Speaker 1 (18:31):
That's our that's our Wildcard will.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Be back on Monday with more Wildcard and another Wildcard
themed song lyric.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, well, I guess the only other yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Nothing else.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Cleveland, I don't know, not yet.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Okay, I'm reserving the right to care about Cleveland, but
Texas do it until I have to.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, okay, we have Texas at a.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Y Yeah, fair enough, okay, fair enough? All right. That
takes us to our second segment, what else to watch?
These are non playoff storyline because it just doesn't want
to talk about the playoffs, even though.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
That's what we just talked about, the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Well we did, but he doesn't. You didn't want to do.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
We give a better second topic. Not right now, anything happening.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
We've already started the podcast, so now little late for
that non playoff storylines. For the last two weeks, we
each picked one who would like to go first.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I'll go first, go ahead, Patrick.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
So there are not many statistical like leader you know,
chases if you if you go on I went on
Baseball Reference and we clicked on the leader tab and
it's just all Judge, right, and Judge.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
The award bases are boring to I mean, I guess
Rally versus Jidge. But we've been litigating that for two
months now, right right.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
And yeah, but but Judge leads it's frankly, like not
close enough.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
It's not. Yeah, even closer.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Than every other race.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Probably it is closer than every other race. Judge leads
and categories you didn't know existed. It only exists on
Baseball References leader page. Like, it's just it is hard
to find things. So I'm gonna talk about Junior Camenaro, who.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
They should put height in there. That's not fair.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, it is twenty nine ground grounded the double plays,
I don't First of all, let's take a moment. Grounded
double plays not it's not just grounding, and we need
to just call the double plays. Like, first of all,
you can you can hit a liner that hits a
glove and it starts a double play. That's also a
double play, Like those are the counts, So that I think, So,

(20:40):
I think I'm pretty sure it does. It's a double Yeah,
hitting a double play is much better. Yeah, that said so.
Junior Camanara is twenty nine of them. And Michael Bamman
wrote about this a couple of months ago for Panagraphs,
and nothing has changed. He is just he is continuing
a pace on his well.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Created in a lab to do this.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yes, yeah, every he's a right handed hitter. It is
not particularly fast. He's not super slow.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
But like, no, but he's not fast, and it's futty.
He will be all so hard.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yes, and he hits the ball very hard on the ground.
And again like is ground ball rate, Like, it's not
the it's not YONDI DZ prime ground ball rate, but
it's enough. And also he's hitting in the middle of
the walk that much, right, he doesn't walk very much.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
It's a lot of content, right, a lot.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Of balls in play. He plays on a team where
there's guys on first and second a lot because he's
hitting in a rays offense that doesn't really hit a
ton of home runs and so you know, and does
walk a fair amount. So like all the rest of
all the piece of the recipe. There he is leading.
He's going to win this year's face. The question is
can he become the modern leader. So if we are

(21:52):
defining modern baseball through the Sam Miller definition of nineteen
eighty eight, when we have pitch counts, uh, he has
three to go in the last sixteen games. The current
Tide leaders for all time modern grounded double plays hitting
a double plays is Ben Grieve In two thousand and
Miguel to have it in two thousand and eight, and
also Billy Butler, who makes a lot of sense. Billy

(22:16):
Butler also feels like the exact person to be ahead
of this. If you go back before the beginning of
modern baseball the mid eighties, Jim Rice Man, Jim Rice, Yeah,
I did not realize this. If you go back to
when I was born, Jim Rice has four of the
top fifteen seasons all time, and they're the four years

(22:37):
in a row nineteen eighty two, nineteen eighty three, nineteen
eighty four, nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Maybe that's what the pitchers were scared of.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, yeah, he like he dominates this leader board, and
like I feel like when.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Maybe they were scared they would be mocked for not
getting him to hit into a double bly, right, that
was the fear.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I think Jim Rice has to love Albert Pooles because
I feel like Albert pool Hal's at the end of
his career, like when he started racking up for the
career number, because he was a better hitter and therefore
had more chances to do it, Pools like kind of
took away. I think we should be talking about. Jim
Rice is the king of this category, and yet somehow
it's become Pools and it's unfair. Well it's not, it's

(23:18):
not somehow I watched The Man Yeah, well, yeah, fair
enough run.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
I mean credit to him, he toughed it out, but
it looked like he it looked like he had just
emerged from method acting the scene from die Hard where
he just walks across the glass and then had to
be told to run to first base.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
All I'm saying is that Pool hosts also once had
twenty nine a season, ironically with still what the Cardinals saying.
It was his final year in the Cardinals. So Jim,
you know, Jim Rice has done four seasons that are
greater than Albert Pool has ever did. So anyway, that's
my point. Let's see if you can watch Junior Caminaro
ground into double places. But that's that's a way to

(23:58):
spend your September. That's extremely compelling for sure. Patrick, Sorry, Jeffrey.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
So I went with Joey Dell chased for forty home runs.
I'm gonna change it on the fly. I know the
agen we are allowed to do that, but we're not
changing alms. Second topic, I think, just like watching the
there's so much young pitching right now. Like you mentioned
Chase Burn's coming back sort of pinkie interest. Bubba Chandler
is starting now. You know, you have Peyton totally and

(24:26):
didn't go well, didn't go well, but he is starting now,
Peyton totally and Connolly early in the Red Sox. It's
actually he started technically like teams in playoff races. Maybe
I'm kind of it's fine.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
You're not talking about the playoff contracts of it.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
I mean for the Mets, it's definitely the context of
it because they need no one with clean Jonas home
Brandon sprote All to pitch well.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
But yeah, I mean all these teams do.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
But I guess my point is, like ja get Missy around.
Bubba Chandler is not about Buba Chandler is just out here, yeah,
having fun or something. Paul Skemes is pitching less now
they have an endings Coount. I don't know if he
even counts was a young pitcher still, I mean he is,
but he's he's no longer so young that the Pirates
won't consider trading him, So I guess he's not a
young pitcher anymore. So you got that, You've got all

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that to look forward to. I think I just named
just about everyone.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I'm looking at the teams
and I can't think of anyone else. And it is
surprising to me, maybe not to hold him for the
next year, but that they don't. Oh well, who's the
a's guy. I'm blanking on Morales? He had some nice starts. Yeah,
but like, how how few kind of also rans are

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are displaying their their wares for next season?

Speaker 3 (25:41):
They don't have anything?

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Like right right? That'll take me take us to mine,
which is I'm actually stealing this. I I was blanking
out on what to do. I'm stealing this is Uh.
A friend of my father in laws has been kind
of emailing me every so often throughout the year. Uh.

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And we are looking at a real possibility that no
starting pitcher. I believe it was one last year.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Who did this and Logan web Maybe both of them
got to two hundred.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Noel got to two hundred, but Mike Marshall's relief record
is twoh eight two eight and a third. Yeah, and
I think we're looking at a real possibility that nobody,
nobody actually gets there.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
This is why you need to have Nobila chiz Mat
up for a full season. He can make a run
on it.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, this is this is a little bit. You know.
Obviously close listeners will remember I really wanted Ryan Yarborough
to get a one hundred inning relief season. I don't
know if you I don't know if you want to
see this fall or want to see it. You know,
want to see one guy each past the threshold here,
but two hundred eight innings from a starter, it's pretty tight.

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I think the leaders like one eighty five right now
out uh, Turk Schooble. Maybe I'm looking. I'm waiting for
a leaderboard to load, but yeah, it's it's uh, it's
very much in play that we're not going to five.
Okay with Schoobl's got to be close. Google's one hundred

(27:19):
and eighty yeah, oh okay, and he's pitches tonight.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
So what's Christopher Sanchez? Uphause I saw he had the highest.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Third one hundred and eighty two.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
He's close as well.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Web is one hundred and eighty four.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
So so you got four guys they got to get
twenty three innings, and it's September eleventh.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Sanchez just three starch so I guess he probably only
has three starts left. Yeah, and I assume they'll ramp
him down the last week of the season too.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
I mean, Schooble could do it. But again, I don't
think they're going to push.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Him, Webb. They're gonna I'm just going to go out
there and pitch anyway.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
But yeah, we pushing you need like the other the
other thing that he's mentioned, and I'll I think this
one is just you don't have to watch for it
because it's not going to happen. But Rover Cleveland, Alexander
had a single season record of sixteen complete games complete
game shoutouts. I'm sorry, that is the record. The entire
league has ten.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, yeah, not complete games. They only have five shoutouts.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Oh, I'm sorry to complete games, right, So I don't
we're not getting there, No, I don't think. Yeah, Bob
Gibson had thirteen in nineteen sixty eight and I were like,
we're just I think we're gonna end on ten. Maybe
maybe you get a virtuoso web performance and give us

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a shot at at the innings play, but I don't
know that's that's something to watch for sure. Can anyone
do that?

Speaker 2 (28:46):
You know?

Speaker 1 (28:47):
It's spread across four pitchers. I guess to entertain you
on on any given night.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
So that's what I got what to watch a sortable leaderboard.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Well, what else are you watching? I mean I don't know, yeah, uh,
I do want to know. We we haven't. We're not
doing what to watch and it's not on a thing.
But if you know Mets Philly's Astros Blue Jays series
today today, those are those are what i'd be watching today.

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All right, let's go to our third topic. Early exits.
A lot of late season injuries. Uh, these could be
season ending. It's just because there's not that much season left,
although some of them are are pretty significant anyway, Sean
Murphy would have taken up a chunk of a season anyway. Yeah,
he started the year on the I L. He's gonna

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end the year on the I L.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Apparently did you see then? Was it specifically atops with
the quote from Atlanta? We're just like, yeah, he's had
this for three years and he just told.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Us as a torn right, Yeah, he had you have
a hip labor.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
He's had hip pain for like three years and they
just bob, Well, he keeps missing time. I think you
think they would have discovered this at some point.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Well, you also think, like many situations, he was going
he was missing three months of a season. Yeah, anyway,
you might just bring it up. He's gonna be out.
It's a four month recovery timetable, so he should be
ready for next year. They have Drake Baldwin. I don't
know how to take care. They'll rotate these guys and.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Will be He was pretty good when he first well
not when he first came back, but at times when.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
He was no he Yeah, he came off and hit
for power. But he's down to under two hundred on
the season.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, probably because this hip hurts.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, there's probably a reason for that. Uh, Drake Baldwin
just seven to eighty ops on the season, like.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
He's I guess if you want an interesting award race,
it's like an OL Rookie of the Year. But it's
also like Drake Baldwin and Isaac Collins.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
So yeah, yeah, Kyle Tucker landed on the I l
UH is not his the previous injury.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
It's just a hamstring, just a.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Hamstring, but that's enough to land him there. I thought
it was interesting they opted to call up Moses By
Asteros and not Owen Casey. Yes he is still I mean,
like so that makes sense to me to some degree.
She can play center field obviously, don't they have Pete

(31:29):
Armstrong if they want to Writy Armstrong struggle Crow Armstrong
and struggled against lefties. So if they wanted to write
a who can really play center field, el Connor makes
some sense in terms of roster construction. But if you're
putting Tucker on the eye, l one would think.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
I mean, I guess if you have that, you're just
gonna d H by Asteros.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Also, I think it's a calf injury half not a hamstring. Okay. Uh.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Kevin o'contra has gotten seven plate appearances.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
And yeah, they're not doing it. That's at least I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, I mean, I guess they guess to play happens
Suzuki and then DH by Asteros if that's the that
seems to be.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Also just go ahead.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, Carson Kelly has a six forty oh ps since
the break.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, right, that's a good point. He's turned into Carson.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Ysteris hasn't hit either, but he's also like played very
intermittently so.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Well. And they also I guess it's just confusing because
they also have they continue to roster Justin Turner and
now Carlos Santana. Yeah, I mean the I guess the
complicated the complicating part of this is that none of
these guys have hit. Yeah, in case he has a
seven ops plus, it's not it's twenty five plate appearances.

(32:45):
It's not much. But none of these guys have hit, right,
So none of them are really the the obvious solution.
But I do think like they keep just going to
someone else.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah, and you kind of let them yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, yeah. Uh, it's obviously a big blow. It does
seem like he could potentially be bad.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
For the playoffs, right, yeah, I would think now, yeah,
Boba shut.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Is out. Jeffery, you were talking about this the other day.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
What this one is?

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Knee bruise, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
It was one of those backdated ones.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
He Dalton, Dalton rushing himself.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
No, he like he was sliding into home and that
was just knee on knee with the catcher.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Basically, it didn't look good.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
It did not look good.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
That's when you're not gonna win.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
But then and also that Will Smith fell off, his
knee looked like you know he was going to be
you know, Dalton able to walk or Dalton rushing. Yeah. Sorry,
it didn't look like he would be able to walk
for years.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
No, it didn't.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Baseball players are incredible, but he is on the l
Is that one's going to be?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, they got they got Ben Rotfrett hit picking up
two hits against Rockies pitching. Uh, yeah, I don't. I
mean they are gonna go with Uh, I don't know
what I guess Ernie Clement, Yeah, I think that's the plan,
is to le.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Probably the fact that they let this play out and
backdated it me and so it's maybe not like super serious,
but also it looked bad.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
So we'll say, yeah, the Jays are I have this
later around the horn, but we can just get out
of the way now. They they might be getting Anthony
Santander back. He's starting a rehab assignment. Whether that's good
or bad, Whether that's good or bad. Uh, you know,
We'll let you decide for yourself. But he is starting

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to rehab assignment.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
In a today, go ahead, I looked at the standings's
see what the J's are. I know there are couple
of games ahead. How howe the Jays played two more
games or two fewer games than the Red Sox. There's
like nineteen games left in the season.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, there doesn't seem to be a lot of time
that I don't that's a good question. And I don't know.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
They're making up at some point. I don't know. Oh,
they playing a dome.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Uh, let's see, they have three against so they finish
against the Astros today, then three against the Orioles, four
against the Raise.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, they have, they have, they have, they have?

Speaker 1 (35:23):
What is this? They have? So four against the Race,
three against the Royals, three against the Red Sox and then.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
The Rays three against the Race. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
I guess I just don't have off days of the
twenty they have one inside of two and they play today.
All right, That's how it is, yeap.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Speaking of the Astros, Louis Garcia came back and then
had to go and abbreviated starting elbows sotness left in
the second inning, I think, which probably contributed to the
Astros losing that game. Their their bullpend pretty pretty burnt
out there. Their bullpen is in pretty rough shape all told. Obviously,

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just a bummer and LuSE Carci is a fun pitcher
to watch when he's healthy, he's just hasn't been healthy.
And lastly, the Phillies have lost the third part of
the left side of their infield, Alec Bohm.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
This is more just a running out of guy situation.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
It's not affecting them because like auto camp and right right.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Auto camp is just it's left older inflammation.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, they founded, they said he'd be back in the minimum,
so be back for the end of the season.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, A lot of this does just kind of seem
like we're managing anyway. Yeah, and like we're just gonna
give the guy a a again. If you have inflammation
and it's it's impacting and he's not hitting for power right,
he's slugging under four hundred of flight and and all
all that kind of stuff, Like just try and get
him right before the playoffs. I'm that note.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
I'm sorry, sorry before we before we move on one. Yeah,
you talked about the Astros bull I just want to
remind every when that Craig Camperl is pitching it. That's
part of why they lost six six innings so far
for the Astros nowhere in runs because he is giving
up other people's ear druns uh walking inning currently. Uh

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he has a whip of let's see where is his whip,
because it's got to be hilarious ends for most of
these kind with the astros, Yeah, that's like to go great.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
I guess Joe Nathan retired when he's still good, but
like most of these guys just sort of yeah, but
it's been been a few years.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
At least the company says you have to get cut
I know.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, And that's the thing is like he's having the
least Smith end of his career except Lee Smith just
went from team to team to be their closer and
then succeed in that role.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Kelly Johnson was about Kelly Kenley Jansen thing, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
We really need to figure out language to separate the
Kenley Janssen career path from the Craig Kimbrel.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Right, like Joaquin Storyo like a ratcheted down on leverage
but was still like fine, Right, he was just a.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Fine He was like kimber also down leverage. Yeah, we
just need we need terms for this for these This is.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Uh emails anywhere investing one. Maybe this is Craig Kimbrel.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Timberl units, the pioneer units in Kimberle units. Email Russell
it's one of his ruffles.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
We should we should pick them up.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah. On that note, let's take a break and we'll
come back with the rest of the show. Yeah, welcome

(39:00):
back to episode four hundred and ninety of five and five.
We are on segment four. We're going around the horn,
and we've got some hot news added to the rundown.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
I saw this like five minutes ago, so I put it.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Go ahead, Jeff, I think it will sound best coming.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
From the Orioles have promoted Michael Lias president of Baseball Operations,
and we'll begin a GM search this off season.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Better at promoting Michaelas than they are at promoting prospects.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yes, this is the other thing. Michael Lias thinks thans
every minute thinking about how can I get promoted to
President of Baseball Operations. Look, I this is doesn't actually
mean anything generally speaking. What it probably means is they
want to promote someone internally to GM to keep them
taking a GM job elsewhere. Maybe my blood.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Maybe we'll do some more of the boring work. Yeah,
so that Michael Oas can be can ascend.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Michael Oas can spend even more time thinking about how
to fit.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
The Orioles ducing like an organization that absolutely do not
want to give permission to another team to interview their employees.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah. You also noted that there's a the National GM.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah, we had some news on that, Carter Hawkens from
the Cubs. Josh Burns.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
I feel like his name always comes up in these
like more than you drop a lot.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
But it's it's getting to the point where like it's
almost like when that when the Red Sox were in
on a guy, where.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
It's like become the many act of GM candidates.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Right, yes, that's it, that's it. It's like, oh sure, yeah,
interview Josh burn Why not, Uh there was another name
in there.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
From uh the right, mean.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, right from from it. It's kind of like a
lot of Arizona connections, which would make sense if Mike
Rizzo was still involved, but isn't.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Else they're all kinds of vaguely like THEO Tree guys too,
sort of not Josh.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Burns, Oh yeah, yeah right now, yes, but yeah, there's some.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
There's over I mean, there's just a lot of Theotree
guys at this point too.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
So yeah, a Roldist Chapman surrendered his first hit since
July twenty third.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've meant to pull this up because
I saw the headline and was like that that can't be.
I mean, it felt right in the sense that it
feels like it's like August right now, like yeah, and
then you start thinking.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Of that, and it's also like, it's probably not as many.
I think it's gonna be a lot of innings, but
it's also probably not as many innings as you think.
This is sort of like when Meri Petit did like
the hidden perfect game over like half season or whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Let's see it is we go back. It is his
last seventeen games fourteen and two thirds innings, walked for,
struck out, twenty one no hits, so you know, more
than a more than a full games worth a no hitter, right, Yeah,

(42:08):
it's pretty wild. It is pretty wild.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Twenty one strikeouts and fourteen is no.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Hits, no hits. Let's see his hits. His hits for
nine on the season is now down to three point seven.
I don't think that's the record, Like the record is
three point four, so I don't think he's gonna get there.
Which Kirbyate's set was it last week last year? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, not doing it this year. No, I did, Like
we were just talking about Kenley Jansen, but like, aroldis
Chapman also doing better than Kimberrell on that particular track?

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah? No, yeah, yeah, his best year since like basically
his first All Star year in twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Like, but also it's just been good enough and I'm
not trying to devenerate, but like he was good enough
last year. Last year he struck out ninety eight and
sixty one two thirds.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Well, the big thing for Chapman is that he cut
his walks in more than half. Right, He's.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Guys, did we talk about the Connor Wong story on Monday?
I don't even remember. I don't think like they just
apparently he just always throws fastball directly down the middle.
But then PitchCom he could call for an inside fastball
and he's like, oh, you want me to you want
me to throw it to a specific spot. Yeah, you don't.

(43:26):
Like it feels like not a real like a fake
story to me, but also like whatever, sometimes this happens.
It's like Todd Bradley doesn't read scouting reports. Excuse me, Yeah,
that was saying he'd never read a scouting report in
the race, he went to the Twins, maybe you just
throw it, just let it eat, throw your stuff. But

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it's the Rays like they have them, like I know,
I'm sure they say to him. Hey, I don't know,
like I'm sure, Like maybe he's part of like a
pitching that's the meetings, the pre series meeting or whatever.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
You would think has been worse with the Twins than
he was.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yeah, maybe it's too much information.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
I don't know, head empty through all.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Uh elsewhere Anthony Rizzo has called it a career. He
heard us on our game.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
I think, I don't know. I don't have particularly strong
fail this one way or the other. But he hasn't
played all season and it's September. Yeah, I guess it's
like the game will tell you when you're not like
when you're done.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
But well except it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
That's the problem. They will not tell you when you're
but the game doesn't tell you, and so you you
you don't. You know, you get in a spring training,
you don't make a team, and then you're just kind
of wait.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
For a call.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
And it used to be like you'd get a call
in May sometimes.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Or maybe in September because rosters expand, and now you
just don't get a call, and then at a certain
point you just have to be like, Okay, well I'm
not going to answer the phone now, I'm not going
to wait by the phone. Like it is weird. I
don't like it. I don't like these like not for
the player's decisions. I just don't like.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Has Adam Lynde officially retired yet?

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I don't know. Is Adam Lynn in you know, Taiwan
right now? Who knows? And that's the other thing is
like players just go other places, right, you know, and
they don't have to do this, They don't have to retire.
Like I don't know. I just feel like there should
be something more formal, maybe a more struggle.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
I think they're I think they're doing something for him
in Chicago and that's why this is Yeah, yeah, so
sure he did.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
He sounded to retire, yeah, you know, and and sure
you know, the Cubs aren't kind of having the kind
of year where they can just stop. It's fine, but
like I just feel like there should be it gets
we should have an oscars thing where we have once
a year, we just we remember all of them at

(45:59):
once and we spend some time and say, okay, these
are the guys we lost this year, because otherwise people do.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Fall sometimes accidentally a bagodas on it.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, it's true. What is the baseball equivalent of that?
Just like during a game, uh, you know, paulmid looks
up and finds out he's really retired. Yeah, just standing
on the field at the time.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
It's gonna be like Carlos Santana, Like, I remember Carlos
Santana's on the Cubs. But and I has played the
whole season.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Well he wasn't on the season on the Cubs the
whole season, No.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
But I mean he's been around ye oh, yes, yeah,
he was like Cleveland's major free agent signing.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yes, which is so revealing in so many ways.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Speaking, which did Justin Turner did he finally get No,
he's still on the team, So Justin Turner is the
real answer. The guy who Carlos replaced.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Is again I should know that he's Yeah, and there's
the who. Like somewhere.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
In other news, Mackenzie Poor returns tonight. I will note
whoever put the rundown together, perhaps rudely did not also
note that Ryan Weathers returns tonight against Mackenzie Gore. Yeah,
which I just I just noticed it as I was
looking at the matchup. Weathers has been out yet. I

(47:24):
don't know if people remember the circumstances under which he
went to the IL, but he had like an issue
warming up and then got hit in the head with
a throwback to second or a throw down to second
in the same game, and then and then landed on
the IL and has been been there since. I believe
that was in June. So honestly, it's just you're not

(47:48):
going to listen to this tonight in all likelihood, but uh,
six forty game tonight if you want none, if you
wanted something to watch not related to the playoffs, Mackenzie Gore,
Verus Ryan weather is not the worst you.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Can do its lineups.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Sorry, go ahead, Patrick.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Sorry, it's just maybe the most not related to the
playoffs something to be that's.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Only because the Rockies are playing the Patricks.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
We also have Xander Bogart's starting baseball activities. If you
haven't made an attention to the season, you might think
that's not necessarily that impactful. But he'd been pretty good,
uh in the second half before.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Also, they were starting Mason McCoy last night.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Again, Yeah, well they traded Brandon Lockridge, so that's where
they are.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Seven but also zero short steps.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
The Red Sox h called up Connelly early. Jeffrey mentioned
that in his what Else to watch, especially eleven strikeouts,
was it tied the record or like at least record
at least tied tied one and that that's right, yes,

(49:02):
uh not, I mean, like, you know, we ran the
call up for him. Some of this was facing the A's.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
It was they do swing and miss breaking ball, the
curveball especially look really good.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yeah, and and but the write up was really his
change up is his best secondary.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Or no it is, but he was throwing, uh, the
sinker a little bit more to left on left. They
have a lot of lefties, so he was probably throwing the.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Right. Let's room for the change up, right, But.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Yeah, but like he was rarely living in the zone
and get it by guys more than I think he will. Again,
not the A's of a bad lineup, they don't. But
and like he pitched in and out of some trouble too,
But some of that is his.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
I mean, his fastball has those traits right that.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
That Yeah, it's like a very like if you like
it's if you watch him, it's just like a very
like three quarters ish slot with a very like high
above the body arc and the fastball doesn't have a
ton of carry like it comes from. It comes from
a low enough height and a flat enough angle that
it's not a it's not a zero, especially when he's
throwing ninety five. But he was like down like ninety
two ninety four at times too, So you know, he's

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been a guy that's just added velocity your over years
since he was drafted as like a high eighties college
left and it was out of the University of Virginia,
which is a school that you can often coach him
up after they get out of there, and they've certainly
done that.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
They have. I mean, it'll be an interesting but.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Like I totally didn't pitch great, it's a fun It's
I want like a comparison point like you has like
Early in Tong versus McLain and or sorry, totally in
Tong it's McLain and Early. It's like Early's definitely got
the feel for spin that totally doesn't. He doesn't have

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the fastball traits that totally does. So see I mean,
I think and I mentioned this on the call, they're
just going to roll with Cruchet, Gielito and Beyo in
the playoffs. But you know, Croche and Bayo in the
playoffs against a good lineup, you might want to bring
in a lefty for the biddle innings if they get
in trouble and early could be that guy.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Mm hmm. It's also just like if you're watching the
Red Sox all season and you were taking in a
lot of Walker Buehler start and then.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
He goes he's fun, like he it's just he was
going after guys. He was having some fun out there. Yeah,
I can't realize.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, well, like he's fun and and as you mentioned,
like totally is fun and like this is there you're in.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
You're in a race, and like they're in a vision race.
They run down they're only two backs.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Of the Blue Jays exactly. I mean, it's a fun time.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Back in the lost column because they played two more games.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
But whatever, they're they're three back. Yeah they're three back, okay, uh,
but but it is four back in the lost column. Yeah,
correct on that. But yeah, it's fun and this is
a good honestly, like you don't really want to watch
Lucasti Alito, but he's pitched like he's pitched Well, no,
I know, but I go back to Sydney Bergman's Uh,
he's like watching a C plus student argue his way

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to an eye like it's it. It's not aesthetically pleasing.
He's been fine. I'm not saying the results are bad,
but like, yeah, it's and obviously crochet. It's a lot
of a lot of fun lefties in that irritation raised
ownership is Oh, actually, you know, let me go skip
real quick. I just wanted to note, speaking of fun lefties,

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Chris Sale has made a couple of starts off the
aisl and is.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Just yeah, it's a real shame we've lost so much
of his season because like I really feel like a
full year of Chris Sale doing this would have just
cemented Cy Young and also cemented the Hall of Fame
in case would just like we'd be done, we'd be
done with the Is Chris Sale good enough?

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Yeah? Yeah, And yeah, he's still through one hundred and
seven innings, which is like for how much time he missed,
because he's just been chucking five innings. Yesterday against the Cubs,
he did a lot of three earned runs, so not
like the prettiest, but nine strikeouts, one walk, like.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Well, in like that might be the most the biggest,
best summary of Crystal's season. It's just getting babbit to death,
Like you.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Say that, and it's a two five e R. It's
not her should be lower since coming off the IL,
and these are all playoff teams, you can you can
take a second on that, but since coming off the IL.
On August thirtieth, Billy six innings, nine strikeouts, one walk, Seattle.

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This is where Jeff is probably rolling his eyes, but
they are playoffs.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Not a bad lineup nowadays.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Six and two thirds, four hits, nine strikeouts, zero walks.
And then yesterday five five innings against the Cubs, three earned,
nine strikeouts, one walk, just filthy stuff.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
If he could do this for another season, he's probably
a Hall of Famer, right, probably he might. I think
he is too, But I think he needs, like really
get to sixty war one hundred and fifty wins. It
gets a little bit easier.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
To Yeah, he should have should he should have been
able to do it? This here it's too bad.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, yeah. Last thing, the Ray's ownership transfer appears to
be ready to happen. Yeah, yeah, but it's all going
to happen after the season.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
But it's no, it's there's a lot of it's like
there's a lot of paperwork to sign, a.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Lot of paperwork. It's supposed to the tando. We're supposed
to happen this month. Oh okay, it could be now,
could be today. What's interesting, in so much as an
ownership group change is interesting is that Stirnberg is not
leaving entirely. He gets I love this idea that he gets.
He gets to keep ten percent and he just kind
of gets like it's like, you know, he's going to
go off.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
To the will pon my pert time of the match.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Yeah, yeah, Well this is I mean, it's very uh
you know, m Court owns fifty percent of the parking lot.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Like you can't fully but this isn't but this isn't permanent.
Stirmberg will get will divest eventually. He's just not going
to invest all right now. I'm wondering it's just because
they don't know who they want to sell that ten
percent to have the money maybe to get like that's
the other thing is that they did bring.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
That might be more valuable when they have a new stadium, like.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
They did bring in an extra uh person to join
the ownership group.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Which suggest they might not have the money to buy out.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Rick Workman is the man who's joining the ownership group.
What's what this is like? More than anything else, this is.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Can I just interject real quick, I apologize Rick Workman
for a guy buying into a baseball team. Is the
JP sportsman of baseball flyers.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Like, it's very Kajima, that is what I would say.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
So anyway, I.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
He's he was also supposed to be basically one of
the cornerstones of Orlando's expansion group, and so apparently they
found out through the news that they're one of their
main guys is actually just going to buy the part
of the other team.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Listen, it's awkward to have those conversations.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Sometimes you just don't So Orlando's Orlando's expansion dreams maybe
dead at this point because that was that was a
big load. So if you were looking forward to Orlando baseball.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
I don't think they're going to put up their team.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
And when was the last time looking forward to Orlando?

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Oranobsequentially, in a sentence.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Orlando Baseball would be it'd be the senior leagues.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
I was gonna say maybe Orlando Hudson.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
My kid wants to wear Disney World, so I guess
there's there's somebody looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Didnt that one in the Let's go to the Let's
go to our game. I put this together at nine fifteen,
probably the game of a nine fifteen. It's called absolute Values.
I think we've done something like this before. I don't remember,
but it's almost the end of the season. There's been
a lot of players playing baseball. Some of them have

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not move the needle one way or the other for
their teams. So I'm going to give you five players
from a team, and you pick the one closest to
replacement levels zero point zero Baseball Reference war. It could
be negative, it could be positive. It's just closest to
and you want the lowest score after the six rounds,
I picked six teams, I think. Okay, so the first

(57:22):
one the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. Okay, your options.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Are logo, Okay, you're just gonna read them.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
I'm just gonna read them. Logan, it's only five. You
can hold five. Reliably informed people can hold five things
in their head at.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
One time, I can't, I can ride.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Then sure, Logan on Hoppy, Joan Mancata, Jorge Solaire, Travis Darnaut,
and Christian Moore.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
All right, now we're using reference war for this, yes, okay,
because without it, logo is not Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Happy darn it. Well you did two catchers, oh happy
darn more, Solaire and Moncada. Who are we just calling
them out?

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Craig first, we'll just alternate. Craig go first. You can
pick the same one, but you have five options, so.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Sure, sure I am. I'm gonna go with o'hapi.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Okay, I'm gonna go with Slay all right, after one round.
Craig is an elite because Logan on Hoppy was negative
zero point one and jorye Celaire was negative zero point five.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yeah, I mean not far?

Speaker 2 (58:40):
No, fine, Well where were the others? Had to be
like plus one or something.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Zero point nine from Mankada, so he has tripled his
total from last year or whatever in seventy three games. Uh,
Travis Darnaut was zero point four and or sorry, negative
zero point four, and Christian Moore was negative zero point two.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
So I had the second word guests.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
All right, all right, the next one the Minnesota Twins.
Okoy Ty France, Carlos Korea, Trevor Larnac, Willie Castro, and
Cody Clemens. Oh it Korea as a twin obviously.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yes, well I was gonna ask that in France too.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Right, France as a twin.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Yes, I'm gonna go with Larnac, Craig, Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Clem. Clemons has been pretty decent. He was.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
I don't know if he has been. I feel like
there were there was lots of Clements talk back in
like June.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
But he I think he doesn't like play that much.
I think like decent enough, I guess for the for
these purposes.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
I mean, I didn't dick him, so.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
I don't know if he's giving information to Craig or not.
But you say he hasn't played that much. He has
three hundred and twenty four plate appearances this year.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Okay, fair, I think I think he might be the
best of the names that you've listed in terms of
war for the Twins. I think you know what I'm
gonna go with. I think Larnak is a good guest.
I think, just for the sake of variety, I'm gonna
go with Korea.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Okay, Craig expands his lead because coach Korea is zero
point one and Trevor Larnak is zero point three. Cody
Clements and ty Frantz are both zero point six, both
have ops plus's nineger below at this point, and Willie
Castro is the best hitter but only zero point four
war because he plays defense badly on a bunch of spots. Well,
he plays a bunch of spots he shouldn't play. Yes,

(01:00:36):
I just want I guess I should write this down
so I can actually keep track of what is happening here.
Our next one Colorado Rockies.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Mm hmmmmm.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
No, none of them are well, no, I mean, but
it's it's all relative, baby, Yeah, a Tyro, Estrada, Brenton Doyle,
Brian Ritter, Warming, Bernabelle in Orlando Arcia.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
And I have to go first here, you have to
go first.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
I think Bernabil has been pretty good where I keep
seeing highlights where he was doing good things and maybe
he's fallen off. Uh, this this hurts and I could
just put myself in a hole here, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Think I'm gonna go with the Orlando Arcia. I don't
know what I'm gonna go with. Uh, I'm gonna go
with Brenton Doyle. I feel like I think he was low,
but I think he's had kind of a he's been
hitting better well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Patrick has taken over the lead. Aran Doyle is negative
zero point two and Orlando Arcia is negative zero point nine. Wow,
what do I see as a forty six ops plus
this year?

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
I have not tracked it. I just kind of thought
maybe and like, yeah, I don't know. I said, I
don't know what I'm doing when I said that, So
I had been looking at Doyle, I thought about Doria.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
But warming Bernabelle is your positive zero point three?

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Yeah, tyro Strada negative zero point four. Kyle Farmer negative
zero point nine. Oh no, I said, Ryan Ritter positive
zero point four. I gotta pick. There's like seventeen guys
I could have picked here, So yeah, I didn't give
you Kyle Carros. But yeah, it's currently uh one to
one point one, okay? Going with halfway through the Milwaukee Brewers,

(01:02:42):
oh m joy or Tease, Jake Bowers, Blake Perkins, Andrew Monasterio,
Garrett Mitchell. It could be any of these.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
I mean, my Stereo is such there's so much pull
to that name, like how could Monastery be anything but
zero point zero war but he I'm sure he is.
I feel like we have not heard about Jake Bowers
very much, and I think that means he's at zero.
So I'm gonna say Bowers.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
I'm just gonna play it safe. And Mitchell has barely played.
I know he's pretty bad when he played, but I
think like his defense is usually okay, so I'm thinking
that maybe balances it out a little bit. But I
know it's like a seventy seventy something ops plus I
think when he played. But I think I think just
on playing time, I'm going to go with Mitchell.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
This could hurt, so.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Craig goes back into the league. Mitchell is exactly zero
point zero. As you had two bolls. I oppretended to say, okay,
zero point three, so you didn't lose that much. Patrick
Joyo t zero point five. If you want to know
how Andrew Mountasterio can be far away from replacement level,
he's a one twenty four ops plus one hundred zero

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point eight.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Yep. Good for him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
That takes us to the New York Yankees.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Makes I'm not gonna be all bad teams. Jason Dominguez,
Ryan McMahon, DJ Lemayhew, Oswaldo Cabrera and Oswald Piazza. You
have both the Oswald does Oswald Francis yew.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
I do feel any I don't feel like any of
these guys are anywhere. Uh, all right, Craig your first,
Craig goes first.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Oh, I'm first on the stay apologize boy, that is tough. Yeah,
uh I oh man, I'm gonna go with Oswald Cabrera.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Okay, it's so it's Waldo.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Yes, I'm gonna go with Jason Mingez okay. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
They both were point four war so no movement either way.
Oswald Piazza was closer negative zero point two, d J
LA Mayhew zero point seven. Also really yeah, that's all five?

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
No you McMahon, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Mcman on one point one despite a ninety seven oh yes,
positive one point one, positive one point one and forty defense.
And so going into the final.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Round, it is h what's the point three separated?

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Craig is at one point five and Patrick is at
one point seven, so point.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Two you can decide to pick no pressure, Yeah, no, No,
I've been trying to pick would you rather?

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Would you rather?

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Craig pick first, so that I'm forced to pick something.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
I just I won't pick the same thing as you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Okay, right, the Baltimore Orioles, Kobe Mayo, Ryan Mountcastle, Dylan Carlson,
Tyler O'Neill.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Uh, I'm really glad I don't have to pick first.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Mountcastle could be either negative one or positive one, but
it feels like he can't be zero. Dylan Carlson feels
like he could be negative one or negative point nine.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Not to give you information, but I don't think he's
played enough. That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Well, you know everybody can play that. Dylan Carlson can
get there in a hurry. I also thought, yeah, I'm
gonna I'm I'm gonna lose on this, but I'm gonna
go with Tyler and Neil.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Okay, I actually think that's not a bad choice. He's
been he hit a bunch of homers, then he's stunk,
and then he's been hurt. So like it's kind of uh,
I you know, Carlson is tempting because because he hasn't
played that much. Cowser also hurt for a while. It

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hasn't been that good though. I don't know what. I
don't know what d r S thinks of his defense. Uh,
you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna say play it safe,
but I don't really know. I am gonna go with Carlson.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
All right. Congratulations to Patrick.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
No, I think I would have picked Onill. That was
That's what I was trying to let you go.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Nil O'Neill is exactly zero point zero war. Yeah, yeah,
Carlson again, twenty three plate appearances negative zero point six war.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Okay, that's not playing that much, and twenty three play appearances.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
That's that's so much, Joelan Carlson.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Carlson, you could have tied Ryan mount Kestle zero point two,
okay and Colton Kowser zero point nine.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Okay. See, I was waiting Kowser, which was further off.
So I feel fine with my decision. No, I know
I could have gone first, Patrick, but like, it's fine.
I would have gone first in more of them than whatever.
All right, Well, congratulations Patrick, It was good, Jeff, I
like that one ye. All right, thank you for the game,
Thank you both for hosting this episode, and thank you

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Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
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Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
How would can be answering the girl