Five and Dive, Episode 492: The Kings of Sandy Leon

In Episode 492, Patrick, Jeffrey, and Craig chat about Iron Chef, and then discuss five mostly baseball topics. 

1. All I get from your victory is losses: The Giants and the Diamondbacks played an important baseball game, and we are all lesser for it. 
2. We'll Meet at the End of the Tour: The state of the playoff races with tenish games to go.
3. London Not Calling: Baseball is everywhere and nowhere, baby.
4. Around the Horn: Late-season comings and goings
5. It's game time, do you know where your Casey Legumina is?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Welcome to episode four ninety two of five and five.
It is Thursday, September eighteen. I'm your host, Great Christine,
turned as usual by Patrick Kbuk and Jeffrey pattern Nostro.
We have any banter before we get into the show,
I've got nothing in.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Like forty eight hours for many two hours, it happens,
But yeah, I do have summing. Oh good good.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
So you know, sometimes we have shared shared experiences in life,
and sometimes we have shared experiences where it's kind of
embarrassing that we're sharing them because like everybody else had
this experience like thirty years ago in this case, like
literally thirty years ago. But for the first time this week,
I watched an episode of Iron Chef. Wow. Okay, yeah,
I know what which the original?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I mean I watched it in college about thirty years.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, exactly exactly, and a lot of things fell into place.
I will say, like sometimes you watch sometimes you see
everything that came out of the thing before you see
the thing, right, Like you see bugs Bunny before you
see Grouch of marks, you see you see certain things
and like NXC, like a show that I loved in

(01:40):
college as well. That makes a lot more sense now.
But also just like the way that Iron the way
that they chose to dub Iron Chef, because we obviously
this is a dub version of the kind of that came
over on cable, and the way they decided to take
this concept and just turn into a sports show and
absolutely narrated as if it were an actual sporting event,

(02:04):
except without like rules or like quantifiable outcomes. It's it's
very strange to be like, these people are making a
meal and then they're just they're just treating it like
the third quarter of an NBA game, and then afterwards
they're just like this person wins and that's the end
of the show.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Like they have a sideline reporter too, like, yeah, that
was that's great.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
So so yeah, now I did you see one episode
or did you just saw one episode? It was it
was Liver did that's.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
A that's a wow.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
You can just jump in wherever it never It would
not be ideal, I think.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
But I would.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Which which chef did you get? Do you remember?

Speaker 3 (02:47):
It was the Chinese chef and it was a Korean.
It was the first Korean cook that they had on
the show. So I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
The guys. Yeah, hit Patrick, you have watched some more
until you get some Sicai, I don't.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Know if I do. I'm not like, I'm not I'm
I'm not a cook. My wife is an excellent hook.
So I'm a terrible cook, and so I like these shows.
It's better than Nailed It. Like, thank God, I'm not
watching Nailed It.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Like I mean, this is basically like cooking competition show
that has happened since.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I'm not telling you to watch for your cooking.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah right, right, Well, I don't find it particularly interesting.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
You get to watch people I don't know, but you
got to get like they like to do repeat judges
to They have like the one cranky judge on the
end who's like an actual food critic. I think that
shows up a lot.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Indible.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I would describe the judges in this case they were funny.
Uh yeah. They were all very delighted by the fact
that they obviously had none of them eaten in like
a week, because they were just like showing down on
this lever of being like, oh, this is the best
thing I've ever had. I'm like really, all right, okay, I.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Used to I used to know way more about the
show when I was watching it regularly in college. I
had a book like the Iron Chef Encyclopedia or whatever.
So I was really into it in college. But if
I recall, like Sekai was also like known for being
like a ladies man too, well, the show was on. Yeah,
I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, Sakai, I'm looking. By the way, I pulled up
the Wikipedia third third highest win percentage of the of
the seven Iron Chefs listed here.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
It's gotta go for five forty. That's all it matters.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Eighty two point four percent. Yeah, batch much higher, much higher.
All right, shall we go on to the show. All right,
our first segment. All I get from your victory is losses.
The Diamondbacks and Giants had themselves a game.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
They did.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
It featured our man Brandon fought it did. This is
what is the show. This is the show I told
everyone to watch. This is the game I told and
I did not watch it.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
I can't watch it, but I followed it on game
day in textabo that which is an interesting way to
do it, like it's a nineteen eighties adventure.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Point and click, an homage to a Guardian's raised playoff game. Yeah,
ten innings of hitless baseball before an explosion of five runs.
In the eleventh.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, well, the Giants did get a hit in the
there was ten innings over the last two games they
have not Oh sorry, yeah, I think they got a
hit in like the seventh against fot or something.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Right, Oh, that's right. And then and then also again
I said would be Maddox under one hundred pitchers through
his nine innings.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
For the tenth. I think his last two innings were
like eight pitches and nine pitches, Like they could have
just brought him out for the tenth.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Verlander continues to have a really nice what last six
weeks of the season at this point. Yeah, this is
obviously a crucial game, as Patrick the reason Patrick pointed
it out between these two teams.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Although it turned out to be as least crucial as
it could have been given how things stood on Monday.
Everyone is still back to exactly where they were before, right.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
And the Giants needed to win that game.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Now, Yeah, the Giants needed to win that game. The
Diamondbacks won the first two and seems like they might
be going somewhere. Everyone seems like they might be going
somewhere for about five minutes. And yeah, we have here
in our rundown is six playoff teams too many.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yes, this game should not be important for the million times. Yes,
specifically this game like that they played and the way
they played it, But in general this game should also
not be important.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
The Diamondbacks had their opportunity in this game. Corbyn Carroll
had a lead off tripleloading them one out. Sorry right,
They ended up loading the bases with one out, could
not convert. Jeff and I are both into familiar with that. Yeah,
watching that maneuver. Uh, yeah, this is uh. I don't know,

(07:07):
this is both. I can understand this being like a good,
good game in some sense, but it again, I go
back to the Guardians Racing, where it's like there are
pictures duels where no hits or no runs or whatever
can be compelling.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I don't the bottom of these two lineups is like.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
It's also just maybe it's just Brandon thought well's doing
it to you. Maybe it's not the pictures, duol you.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
He threw ninet out of ending that did not get
a the Ari under five. I know it's the end
of the five point oh two. He needed the he
needed the tenth. They had to give him the penth.
I think.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
A lot, yeah, and I feel like when we had
the the downturn in offense ten years ago, right the
Chris Carter year. Everyone was like, oh, these games are
all close, and I'm like, well, no, they're They're closer together.
The scores are closer together, but they're not any closer.
Because you know, when one like as you know, a
Seattle Mariners stand of the of the odds, a one

(08:04):
run game can feel like a ten run game.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I guess feels closer than an eight to six game.
I don't know, well, but does it it actually isn't
it should it shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
But well, like Patrick, you were at the eighteen innings
scoreless game, like that still felt much more compelling, I
guess to me anyway, maybe maybe not to you. I
guess I'm asking.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
I don't. I mean that was it was a fever dream?
Is what that game was? It you didn't have it
is really the bottom line of thing. Right, Like there
there were certain innings like yesterday where you could just
check out. It was like yeah and so yeah, yes.

(08:52):
In that Astros marriage game, like those lineups were deep
enough that you didn't feel like, okay, well there's you know,
we've got a hold of you get through three outs
and like, well, we better get through another three outs before.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
We can, and like, I know it's a ghettaway today,
but it's also like there's only eleven games left from
this year. Why is Tim? Why is Tim Tawa? You're
starting first, baseman.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
That's tough. That's a tough luck.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I mean I know you, I know you literally sold
it the deadline. You don't have part of that, Tim Tawa.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Lockier is hurt, right, I believe he is.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Isn't Pevin Smith hurt too?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Tamas hurt? Tamas started five of the nine games since
Lockleier went on the aisle. The other four would be Ildemorrow.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Vargus, who is also in this game but not playing first.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Uh yeah, no, neither of them. Neither of them good.
But Vargas is at least closer to the average.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Again, this is like you can create something compelling out
of you know, certain constructs, right Like this is this
is like fake important. It's important because of the structure
of the it's so league in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
It's external pressure, right like this is this is you've
created steaks, but you haven't created import.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Right, and you haven't created like there's there's these teams
aren't good enough to rise to the occasion either.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
It's part of the problem, right again, Look, you you
can you can have. I believe the Marlins and the
Marlins aren't bad enough really for me to be making this.
But I believe the Marlins and Rockies are playing each
other right now. Yeah, they can have some good they
can have.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
By the way, I picked, I picked your peades versus
Kyle Freelay. It wasn't close, but your press pitched well
of course.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
But like they can they could they It wasn't close,
but they could have a close game.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
They could.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yes, that doesn't make it. You know that that doesn't
create heft, right right, And like these teams are not
that bad, but they also.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Aren't right good.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
The quote that is the topic of this or the
the the subject of the title of this topic, whatever
you want to call it, comes from a bartal Brect
play and this idea like you're being forced to watch
this like this is well complete.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, it felt it felt very Gordon Lightfoot in sundown
or you know, I feel like I'm winning when I'm
losing again. Yeah, you know that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Look, I mean we are we are the losers. Somebody
a on this game.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
But yeah, I think the fifth wild Card, which I
still don't like. You know, I'm I were firmly entering
old man territory. I would love to go back to
the playoff baseball of my youth of four. But the
fifth wild Card and the one game playoff I think

(11:45):
largely did despite it being purely external and whatever. I
think really succeeded on this ground at least as much
as it failed. And and I'd consider that in a
wider contest context a success, right, Like there were extremely
memorable games, yeah, between teams that may or may not

(12:08):
have been and you.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Got great like like you had like the Great Youth,
even tho ones that weren't close, like you get like
memorable pitching from like you. Darvish had a very memorable
pitching performance for the Rangers. I think kitchl did too
for the Astros at one point.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
But you know, the A's the the Royal game, Royals
game was amazing that you know, the Dodgers when they
won six one hundred and six games and had to
playing that they got to walk off against the Cardinals, Like.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
There was the trank that Trent Grisham game too, was
that too? Is the one game.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
That that Yeah, you're saying the Trent Grisham error, Yeah,
in a lot, I think that was right. That was
twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah that.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Was the Nationals. Uh yeah, I mean, like I again,
I think, like you can't do when it work, this
is not it. This doesn't I don't think this work.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
This wasn't that. No, this must have been that. This
was earlier, this before the one game but the oh okay, no,
not the gris When I'm thinking of the Cardinals Braves
infield fly game where they had like the off the field, right,
I think that was it. I think it was like
game five of the divisional series.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Though, Yeah, I just it's it's not I mean, and
I think it's.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Like the whole Yeah, but like the whole idea of
the playoffs is right, right, We're not crowning. We're not
crowning the best team, right. I don't even know what
the best team is this year. But like the idea
of the playoffs is to create it is to create
import right. I've had this discussion a lot in my
Mets discord recently because, like you know, you're like the

(13:39):
regular season has been a slock and like and it's
been a slog in a.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Way where.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
I make fun of Mets fans a lot. For like,
viewing the Mets is like their hangout sitcom, so like
they really invested in their characters, like Brett Paty and
things like that. You know, one has a new haircut.
But like they retooled the sitcom this year, and like
it's not as it's not as fun anymore, right, But
they get in the playoffs, like that just gets raised sadly,

(14:12):
but I mean it does, right, But like I mean,
if they go out in two games, it's part of
the larger narrative. But if they make a run, like
I have this, I guess last.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Year all over again, Mets fans were.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
But they were actually like they were good after May
though too it's kind of been the reverse of it.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
And also they got to that and I'll see us
and I think they thought that was actually successful.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Right, And if they do it again, I think it
like maybe it won't be because they signed one Soto
and they've already done that, but it won't be like
it will erase some of the miserableness of the eighty
four and seventy eight season.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Or we welcome to being the Dodgers. Yeah, it's successful,
but it also doesn't you need you need.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Everyone needs more confidence than the Dodgers making a run
or a Mets right now. But yeah, I'm like, you know,
I guess I can. I can spoil this. I have
the Mets essay in the book this year, which I
asked for when they were good and Craig agreed to
give it to me during the Gavin Williams no hit
bid against the lot to Getaway Day when they were

(15:15):
not good. But I have an idea. But I like
my idea is I have two ideas. I have an
idea if they miss out or don't go very far,
and I have an idea if they go very far.
Because the playoffs really change the nature of you know,
especially for this team. They changed the nature of the experience.
It like like if if they get there, you know,

(15:35):
if Ryan Helsley is like a shut down reliever in
the playoffs, like, nobody's going to care that he looked
awful six.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Right, Yeah, it doesn't change the experience, but it change
it changes your memory of the experience, yes, right, It
like it doesn't actually erase this this these extended months
of misery. Yeah, but it makes you think, well, I'm
fine with what happened because of what happens later, right,

(16:07):
Whereas otherwise you just end up thinking, well, what did
I spend all that time for?

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Right, Like the Jorge Lopez glove throw from last year
or whatever in a different season would have been more momentous, right,
more remembered. It was, like it's a symbolic of like
the worst team money could buy kind of stuff with
like you know, Vince Coleman setting off firecrackers and Fret
Saberhagen spraying bleach at reporters and things like that. You

(16:35):
know that stuff, like the bad stuff gets warm, remember,
But like you know, you remember Grimace, you remember the well,
you know, remember the Alonzo home run, the Lindor home runs, Right,
that's what you remember from that season. You don't remember
the you don't even remember you know, Edwin Diaz, you
have a really big grand Slam to Corpy and Carroll
down the stretch there when they were still in it,
and that gets erased and obviously like Diez forgetting to

(16:56):
cover first base in Game one sixty one because they
came back and won. Any Way, like it really does
you know, change your memory, Like you can look back
to the Dodgers last year, right, like you were miserable
for a large chunk. You're miserval this year too.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Not as much as this year.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
But yeah, but they make it a better team better. Yeah,
but they were like again, it's like the most annoying
ninety eight win team possible, kind of jokes that we make.
But again, just like they won a World Series and
like they were they had like it's not even like
a fluky World Series, right, they won ninety something games
last year, right, they got to buy so the day

(17:34):
to day like baseball is always with you, Like I said,
you know, baseball being with you day to day can
be a threat. But again, like for the Diamondbacks, if
they make it, like you're not gonna remember this game,
right or the you know, the miserable first because if
you're if you if you make it and do well,
it's probably because like Zach Allen pitched well in the playoffs, right, yeah,
you're not going.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
To remember the Zach Allen season, which brings which brings
us to the last kind of it on this topic.
But I but I also want to tie it to
something else I saw. But well, we'll get to the
last bullet, which is speaking of threats, yes, which is
the baseball being so day to day and also uh
playoff pitcher Zach Gallen. The Divondbacks reshuffled their rotation to

(18:15):
set up Zach Gallen, which means Nobil Chrismon is going
to the bullpen.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
So I cannot watch this game, but I'm reliably in
one of my people that were watching it that there's
something online like, oh, Nobill is just happy to be
here what they said on the broadcast, which is like, yeah, fine,
I'm sure he is.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Like he's also been one of your better pictures.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
In Lee High Valley for the entire season. I bind
Lee High Valley and Phoenix is better. But like I
don't like, I get there's a longer track record for
all the pictures here, right, but like this is just
what Brandon fought is started that.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Much of a longer track record for like fat, I
mean the record is but not as good.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Right, No, I like right, Ryan Ryan Nelson, Yeah, and
Rodriguez been better recently. But yeah, I mean I cannot
construct And I know, like christ Matt's numbers are a
little soft, but they always they always will be right.
I really cannot construct an argument where he's not one
of their four best starters right now. And I get like,
there's their bullpen is not good, So being able to

(19:20):
move him to the pen as a multi inning guy
is not the worst idea in the world. And you're
not gonna do that with Ryan Nelson, who has the
most experienced doing another thought might be better in two
to maybe they extended him like they gave him like
not like they have an investment, right they picked up
no Bill Chris Matt like, I don't even think they
planned on using him.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
So the thing that I wanted to mention was, I
think it was Craig who I saw say this, but
like the idea that these like that this game matters
and that these like these teams that sell Arizona did
a pretty hard sell.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, they could use Meryl Kelly, right.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
And then in the playoffs are going to potentially be
in the playoffs is probably not good.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Well, I agree. I mean that the issue is that
the Diamondbacks made the right decision and the Mets played
like ship for six weeks, Like that's like that can happen.
They haven't, Right, It's about the Mets there's more about
the Twins last year too, right right, like that, and
like the Tigers did play well, and like the Diamondbacks

(20:25):
have not played. Like they're over five hundred I assume
since the deadline, but they're not going off. The Giants,
I mean have played played very well recently until they didn't.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah, there are four games over five hundred since the Brands,
which is basically the rate we would have expected the
Diamondbacks to play all year. Essentially, they're playing like an
eighty seven win team.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Or something, which and I like they traded Merrill Kelly,
but like you know, the they traded Naylor, but they
have some back guys got hurt like Locklear and Smith,
but they had some backfill at first, like.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
It's not now they're starting to tend to but now.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
They're starting Tim Tower right uh. And there's like Alec
Thomas too, like Jake McCarthy. Like again, the bottom of
these lineups are not good and they have like no bullpen,
like Andrew saw Frank is literally their closer. They have
to be like why did they have though, Yeah, Jeffrey
is the league leader in War.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yes, they do have the league leader in war by
reference War.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
For hitters straight up, the league leader.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
In war Oh, harolddo that short stop in the n L?

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, player in apparently well best hitter or position whatever whatever. Yeah,
I don't know if you. I'm sure were combined.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
But he's going to get like he's gonna get MVP
votes and should should.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Also didn't make the All Star Games.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Well, he's made a last year. It's fine. I was
on Chris Blessing's podcast last week and are you to
come up? We were talking about like guys that like
we just stick on the back end of a list
because we need guys for a back end of a list.
And I'm like, people don't understand, like the seventy five
to one hundred beth prospect in baseball or a not

(22:20):
actually particularly good prospects and be not that much better
than the one hundred and first tw one hundred and fiftieth,
And I used Paradomo's and the like. I felt great
about getting Paradomo on the back of that list, and
like Jared and I actually argued over it a little bit,
like what really.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Liked as a prospect? This is what I say, Like
I've turned into like not the last several years has
been like not buying.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Him, Like it's a good story. Like they had to
like send him on the like the developmental list after
it was in the majors, like, and he came back
and was like, you know, a nice player, right, Like
it was a little weird that they extended in but
like a two to three win shortstop that's within a
shout of a league average bat. But like I did
not see this coming.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
No, he was on three lists. Yeah, in a rouw. Yeah,
twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, ninety one, ninety and
ninety seven. Yeah, it's like that, but that is a
we like this guy for what he is kind of thing, right,
Like to Land in the nineties every year is like
there's something about this.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Guy we like, Yeah, look, you're a pitcher that we like.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Pretty good defender ye at the time.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Bad to ball skills, Like we'll get it on base.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Skills, and it's like I don't know about the power, right, well,
this when he slugs for seventy.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Right, like I thought he would be like twenty twenty
five Caleb Durban and he's like he was basically and
now he's like twenty twenty three Francisco Lindor.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, yeah, all right, let's let's take let's take it
to the next segment. Yeah, we'll meet at the end
of the tour the American League. Uh, we're going to
start in the AL West. Seattle finally lost the game
and it cost him Houston back in the AL West lead.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Are they tied and they have the tiebreaker? Is that
what it is?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
I think?

Speaker 3 (24:06):
No, the tiebreakers yet to be decided between the play
each other. Yeah, they haven't played each other yet. Houston's
half a game up, but did not play today.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Well where okay, sure by the ties by the time
you hear this podcast, the marriage is willing to be
tied again or a game back?

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, do we have any We just catching all.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
This is like another one where again they're going to
play each other, right, and these games are going to
be important for that reason, although both are probably going
to make the playoffs given the Rangers recent slide. I
mean it's not impossible because the Rangers I think, still
play the Mariners too, But.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
It just seems our four and a half back of
the wild card. But you know, the Mariners and Boston
are tied, so there's two spots kind.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Of right, like like, yeah, the Rangers had a bad week.
I mean, the Rangers got swept by the Astros, didn't
they have lost for you can't do that. That's not
funny at this point in the season. But like again,
these games are like artificially important because a both these
teams are going to make it. Neither of them is
going to get the buye. They may end up playing
each other again after it.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
You say that, but Detroit also lost, No, that's true. Yeah,
two back in Detroit and Houston is a game and
a half back in Detroit.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Houston is of getting a bye with that team.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Like, yes, it was very funny. Like I will say,
my only reflection on the Mariner's Royals geame is that
it's very funny that Adam Adam Fraser hit the go
ahead home run in the eighth inning.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
For which team I honestly don't know. I know he's
on the Royals because they always have to have but
I'm prett sure, but like it's plausible. It's like, you know,
Dylan Moore played for any of these teams, including the
Royals too. Absolutely, Yeah, I don't like the little rascals
are just running out a that's such a bad line

(25:58):
up now, like I know the match lost two of
three of them, but just like Wyatt Langford is the
only Wyatt Langford. Look, why like here's having a good
season in that lineup. Wyatt Langford feels like two thousand
and one Berry Bonds where it's just like, don't let
Wyatt Langford beat you. Anyone else on this team beat
you other than twenty twenty five Wyatt Langford.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Well and Michael Helmer.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Michael Helman.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yes, this is like four straight pot appearances for Michael Helman.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Cochy, Allen, Tyler Freeman.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
He he did not like he basically he went over
his last four. But otherwise like he's just been hitting
like he just he won't go away.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
He's gonna end Look, he's gonna end up on the
Brewers at some point.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I don't don't do that.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
It's gonna end up on the Brewers at some point.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, all right, can we let's go to Let's go
to the central we brought up Detroit. Cleveland has now
won ten of eleven six in a row right now,
they still have a negative twenty five run differential. I
want to point I've been I've been very light on
run differential talk this year. You have, but I want
to point that out. Two and a half back in

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the wild card only four and a half back. Four
and a half is a lot, but it's also like,
but somehow only four and a half back of Detroit.
A friend of the pod Uh game creator Colin wit Church,
messaged me yesterday and said, you're gonna have to talk
about Cleveland more So here more, this is more, here

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we are? What do we want?

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Is there a reason I say? I think it was Chris.
It was Chris Towers, who I like and I follow.
This guy was like posted this like Tanner bb Line.
It's like, how the heck did this happen? Like Tanner
Bikey is a good picture, Like he's gonna be a
good season, but he's like capable of doing this. He's
better A fan of Chris the better than Brandon Fodd.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
He's he's good, but I think he also has a
he's better than Brandon Fod. But yes, do you know
what Tanner Ivy's ra a this year?

Speaker 2 (28:01):
It's like four to eight or something.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
It's it's four point four four, right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well he just had a good start.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
He just had a good start. He's had a couple
of good stars, but like I think coming into this
season there was a lot more like half expectation. Yeah,
and than that Gavin Williams. He brought us Williams.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, this is the FAKEUS d r A. And like,
I like Gavin Williams too, this is a very fake
Yeah he walks, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Walks, yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
But we needed.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
What we needed is a right handed al lighter that
throws ninety seven. That's what the world needed.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Here's here's my problem with The Guardians is like after
Biby and Williams, and look, you're making a valid point
on Williams, but at least you're like, but it's Gavin Williams.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Right, there's probably some Yeah, probably not to this level,
but whatever.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Logan Allen, Yes, Slade Chaconi and Louis Ortiz.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, well notes been like, rightlogize, I apologize.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, I was just looking at the rest.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, I know. He's made a lot of starts, is it?
Ben Lively again has been.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Like Lively still on the I don't think Lively is
coming back this year. Yeah he did, he did two years.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Honestly, Joey, shame on me. It's Joey Cantillo and who
has made eleven starts and has a three two seven.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
He made eleven prospect lists, you know.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Like and you could see why.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Shout out to Joey Kintillo for having I've met this.
I wrote about this in a box four banner at
some point in the last couple of years. Eleven starts
in ten games finished. Yeah, he's double double double.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Edit the Hitsinori Takahashi season.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
I love it. I absolutely love it. Uh only eighty
five in means, so you know, some of these I
think our opener.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
I just that's actually like the Ryan Yarborough probably more.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Than Yeah it is. It is the Ryan y situation.
I think that's why I wrote.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
About Yeah, the guys like that. I mean, look, George
Valeria is up now and I like all the all
the all the stars I had to write about on
fifteen parties.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
He has come up five starts, A one eight four.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
He's pretty pretty good.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Like Perker Mestik was a funny one because like the
day they drafted him, everyone was like, oh, they're they're
fucking gonna do it again, and they didn't for a
couple of years with him, and then they did so.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
But but here's here's the thing and why I I
speaking of threats, Like Colin was like, you're gonna have
to talk about the Guardians, and I was like, don't
put that ship on me. Like this lineup. I know
this is always the case with Cleveland, but it is
truly Jose Ramirez and basically nobody else Stephen Kyle Mozardo.

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Kyle Monzardo has a one one has a ninety seven ops.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Pos never wrong, just early.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
There is not a single bench player who has a
Those are the only two guys Ramirez and Menzarto over
league average OPS.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Now Angel Martinez in there on.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Hell Martinez has a seventy five.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, and we get we get a Gabriel Arius check
while we're here.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
This is seventy eight.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
This is one of those articles that I never want
to write because like they're all it's just mean, Yeah,
you don't feel good writing them. But man, like there's
a certain classic team player where it's like you's like
you got four hundred plate appearances, Nolan Jones has gotten.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
They traded back for it to get Nolan Jones back
from the Rockies.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Did not work, and they has a ninety six. So
like you could construct a top four that is like.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
If you're including c J. Kyphis, like it's.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Not borderline palatable, is what I was gonna say. Okay, right,
like that's your top four. It just gets worse from there.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah, yeah, I will say, like, you know, as long
as we're naming everybody on the Garden Stiff Jacob Jonas,
Jacob Jenas, he.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Just doesn't he doesn't strike anyone else. Uh no, he
walks some guys, not that many.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
But is this where it's how bad? I just remember
is where Alex Cobb was? Was he in Detroit? U
Detroit pitching?

Speaker 1 (32:13):
But yeah, you're remembering last year when the Guardians traded
for him and he didn't pitch. Okay, rightly, you're really
ferretying out some stuff for our game there. Uh so
that's our that's our Cleveland talk. I can't buy it.
I cannot buy it. Seems to faked. The the lineup

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is garbage, like all respect to Jose Ramirez, but yeah,
it's a hell of a bullpen though.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Man, it's a good not as.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Good as last year.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
If like somehow the Guardians make it and the Manners
when we get Guardians Mariners.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Sim can I just sim I want to.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I mean it might be on before you wake up, Craig.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
The Rangers lost for.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
You know, it was a weird season for them. I
can get like the weird.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
All the injured guys got hurt, and Marcus Emion also
got hurt.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
And and so it's yeah, it's one of those situations
where it's like, well, there's so many injuries that you
can be like and then also like the when they
weren't hurt, a lot of those stars weren't playing well
enough for them to really make runs.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
So you're like like you look at like what did
they do another? You run it back right like probably
like there's no like you're not getting like maybe you
move on from atte least Garcia at this point and
hope like Evan Carter can stay healthy for a full season.
But also he wasn't amazing, you know, seeger, I assume

(33:57):
Siger is like going to and you would be to
be like one hundred and fifteen game five war player
until the injuries just catch up to him. You know,
Semion might be again, Semion plays enough and he plays
good enough at second and he'll hit enough that he's
not going to be a black hole, right, you know,
they got to figure out first base again. But I

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mean they have, they.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Have, like they have questions, right like you have to
Jonaheim is now a problem.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
They don't like this looks like he's going to be
an answer a third.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Their system is not Like it's Sebastian Walcott who's nineteen
and in double A and was I should probably go
back to double A again next year. I don't think
they're going to do that. But like, I don't think
he's really a twenty twenty six factor.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, unless there's like a big.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Because there's like a big not even a jump for
you've also got against skill consolidation.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Consolidation, Yeah that's yeah, you've got really ninetieth percent Tilish
outcomes on a lot.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Of Yeah, like his I'm gonna do this like I
hope he does.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Patrick Corman is a four tooth the area and you
have to be like you cannot You.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Got to replace the innings right.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Like yeah, uh the bullpen, Like there's a lot of
like Sean Armstrong, it's had a fantastic season.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, you look good, like you can think of Sean.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
I'm strong, Jacob Latz, these guys have a good season
and then they don't.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Probably not like Lats. Lats had some interesting stuff there.
I know he's a bit like he's a lefty. It's
a high iv B fastball in the mid nineties and
upper nineties. The breaking balls are okay. Like, I think
he's a useful arm but again not somebody like again
in the role where like a bunch of your rotation
pieces are hurt and you have to shuttle in between

(35:44):
the pennant spot starting. I think he's like, he's good
for that.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, I think I think you run it back. But
I think he can't just run it back. They're gonna
have They're gonna have to think at solutions.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
And again it's the aos. I'll probably just be there
again next year.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Anyway, They've they've spent obviously, they've they still spent. They
saw that they brought in Jack Peterson for for worse,
but they did. I don't know what the appetite is there.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
You know, you know, and they need they need to
go on and get Pilonso.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, it would certainly help.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah, boy, Jack Peterson has signed through next year.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
It's a mutual option, I believe, No.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Twenty seventh the mutual options.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Oh, I'm sorry, it's been okay since the terrible, terrible start, right.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
He's it's been like sevens.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
He has been a league average hitting d H.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
For the last a couple of months.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
So, but this is the running back situation right then,
Like you just hope he's better.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, I mean you're giving him eighteen million dollars either way.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, sorry I mis read that. Thank you for the correction.
Yeah it is. I also just want to know. It
is funny that we're like, yeah, they're done, and I
was kind of like, it's the same four and a
half back for Cleveland, and yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
They got to get two teams. I think that is
the difference.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah Cleveland, Yeah, Cleveland's only two and a half back.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Like no, no, no, I meant from the Division, therefore the Division. Yes, uh,
let's go to the National League. We talked about the
Diamondbacks losing. The Mets lost again.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Jeffrey, I don't.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Game and a half back Cincinnati to San Francisco too.
None of these these these teams are all just treading
water kind of.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Right, Like if the Mets can like get to eight
over five hundred and stay there, I think they will probably.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
This has all the vibes of like a basketball game
that was a blog. You know, the team like comes
back and they get it to like they can only
keep getting it to two possessions, but they can never
get it to one, and just like fades Like that's
what this this wild card has felt like the entire time.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
You just get Jordan Clarkson jacking threes up, down, seven,
two minutes to go. I'm so glad he's on the
Knicks now. It makes me very happy. Did you see
I send you the.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Photo to see some real posts I.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
See, send you the photo of him at Passion week
with yeah, like, yes, good vibes.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I like Jordan Clarkson near my favorite team, but not
on one of them in the orbit is cool. Yeah,
there's a there's a one of the billboards. I think
it's Miller Light. Yeah, it's Miller Time. There's like a
they had a bunch of Jordan Clarkson Miller Light billboards
up around here on I fifteen. I'm very disappointed they

(38:32):
never just did it's Jordan Clarkson and Miller Time. Yeah right,
they never did one of those. Very disappointing.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
It's right there for them, it was right there for
them shooting fish in a barrel. The last thing here
is we have the rock East Division.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
There's still there's still forty one wins. It's amazing. I
mean it's not that amazing.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
If they lose ten straight, they can tie the White Sox.
As you're saying, uh, second fewest walks in the modern
full season era. This is not a good team. No,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
It's funny because like because the White Sox happened last year. Yeah,
and like the Rockies were on a worst pace for
a large chunk of this season. I think, like July
August they played well enough that they got above it.
Like you just don't I think because it's the Rockies too,
Like you just don't really pay attention.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
I also like, this team on the road is just atrocious.
I know they've always like they just salvaged so much
with their home fields. Yeah, that this team on the
road is just an abomination. Patrick, I don't do you
have anything you want to contribute as a Rockies watcher

(39:49):
of twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Well, yeah, Bradley Woodram just wrote an article for the
site today in which he detailed all he kind of
great visualization summarization of the Rockies experience. But I think
we talk about, you know, the road splits, and we
talk about everything else. I think what we've really the
last year to come down on with the Rockies, the
challenge isn't Corese. The challenge is having to leave and

(40:11):
come back constantly, and the amount of the mount that
messes with you both as a hitter as a pitcher.
For your pitches to not move the same way they
do they did last week, and for the pitch is
coming at you to not move the same way they
did last week. I don't know what you do with that.
The humidor fixed the home run things. There's no humid
or for making the pitches behave the same way they

(40:34):
do it every other park in baseball, and it actually
is it does feel like a permanent disadvantage for them
over the rest of the league. And like when I
started writing about the last year, it was like, hah,
this is funny, and now it's just kind of sad
like it. And the Rockies are, you know, admittedly working
very hard to make it feel that's sad like. They
don't they are.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
If Cores is their biggest enemy, they are their second
on worst. Yeah, But it.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Like you do, like it is really like stripping everything
else away, and like any kind of talent or any
kind of excitement has really just laid the problem bare.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
They've gotten Like the thing is they're gonna win forty three,
forty four games. Whatever they've gotten good outcomes from like
Hunter Goodman and Jordan Beck like like again, these things
like outside of Ezekiel Tovar, who's pretty much and he
missed a large trunk of the season and it's just
a Exequiel Tovar like they always do this. They got

(41:34):
the one good Nolan Jones season, they got the one
good Brenton Doyle season. This might be the one good
Hunter Goodman season. Like it doesn't feel like they can
sustain anything.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
They got the second good Mickey Moniac's.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
They're the second good. It's not even that good if
you look at that.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
It's not even that but it's like the offense is
someone I think I think it was Connor Farrell who
writes Fast Wore Banner for us and as a Rocky
span like no, I made a joke about them extending
someone look near the deadline or whatever, and he and
he corrected it to Mickey moniact like it just feels
like they're gonna they're gonna go all in on Mickey moniact.

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I did want to point out you mentioned the Bradley's
article Patrick, the the visual he had for I think
it was Yoshinobu Yamamoto.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yes, that one was very dramatic.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Really good showing like how.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
It showed all his pitches movements and then all of
his pit pitches movements in chorus where it's just like
and it just doesn't.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Can't wait for the Salt Lake City Stadium.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Uh yeah, it's uh.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Do they just need to build like a pressurized dome?
Is that what it like?

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah? Maybe we just need like once once the once
the air is unbreathable everywhere and everybody's within domes, then
then Course will finally be free. They can just kind
of like ratchet up the dial a little bit and
everybody will be the same.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
He's just being in humidity.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
He turns all the pitches in Course purple, and you
just see how much more centralized they are in terms
of movement spread Like it they compared to all his pitches,
they're almost all just at the minimal edges of movement.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
I told I don't know I told the story on
this podcast Run for All Your Kids. But I was
talking to a scout about about the Rockies and the
Rockies coverage and sort of debating, like what do you do.
Do you want like a crazy velocity four seam ride
guy and just take your chances with home runs versus

(43:39):
miss bats or do you want the guy that like
just throws shitty sinkers. And they picked the shitty sinker guy.
They picked the shitty ist sinker guys. It's part of
the problem. But and like he's like, I think you
just got to pick the sinker guys and try to
outscore them basically, No.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
And they aren't trying to score them. That is part
of right they are. They have terrible offenses.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
We're a great draft and development organization, per Dick Monfort.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yeah. I still the thing is so first of all
that he actually thought that, of course, is not actually
that like the humidor does work courses give up the
tenth most runs, And part of that is that the
Rockies play there, right, Yes, so they're not hitting home runs.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
But I mean it's still a huge outfield.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
But it's the huge outfield, right, yes, And the Rockies
have never really accentuated, like they've stopped accentuating defense. They
they had Wan Pierre, and like Wampierre wasn't a terrible idea.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I mean, Brenton Doyle is are very good defensive.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Field Yeah, he is a very good defensive center fielder.
He came like this year. He's not hitting, but like
having an out having three outfielders like they used to.
They used to three hundred three center fielder. Yeah, and
usually hopefully guy who hit an empty two ninety. You
rather have a guy who didn't, who wasn't empty. But
the defielders terrible idea.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
They have these guys in the miners, but they can't
teach him to hit two ninety exactly.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Well that's what they care about. Only one, like we
don't care about yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
There's a Vladimir Verstio who's in a different or I
think he's on the Diamondbacks.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Org.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Now who's the other one. He's a red prospect. They
of course they traded for res prospect that I saw
in Hartford for like four years straight. Like they just
have the like these guys.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, basically, the the the ultimate paradox, of course, is
that the pitches don't move and so you can't strike
anyone out. But also strikeouts are more valuable there than
anywhere else. Also, the Rockies still be in the game. Yeah,
I still think I would take the high rise basketball.
I think you the strikeout is so valuable in course

(45:46):
that the trade off is worth it, especially since home
runs aren't that right accentuated.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Sorry, we're doing five, five, Antonio Senza tell.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Us, yeah, six, actually ten, because you need you need to,
you need to have two of them for every start.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
All right, why don't we take a break and we'll
come back with the rest of the show. Welcome back

(46:32):
to episode four hundred and ninety two of five and five.
We're on segment three. London not Calling. I saw this
last night from MLB trade rumors. MLB is canceling the
London series for twenty twenty six, and the reason is
dumber than I thought. Yeah, like I thought, oh, surely

(46:53):
there's a good reason for this. I mean, there's like
a semi valid reason.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
They were plainly by the reason that we all knew about.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Right, But this is like all it's like valid, okay,
so let me get let me get to the reason.
The reason is they don't think there's enough time to
convert west Ham's Stadium from the soccer pitch or whatever
to a baseball stadium by the time they can do it,
and they can't push it back because Fox is going

(47:23):
to be broadcasting the World Cup. But this was all known.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yes, yeah, it's dumb.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
I know.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
The premiere prevent is a lot longer now because of
the way they've had to move the calendar around for chance.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
They just said, did not give them a home game.
Well yes at that at that time, So wes M
is playing.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Through are there are there like two old people in
Brighton that make the soccer schedule every year. They do
it by computer.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Through May twenty four the series was scheduled for June
thirteenth and fourteenth. Uh. Again, they couldn't delay the series
because of the Fox. Fox doesn't care about it relative
to the World Cup, which is the correct decision. But
again this was like extremely preventable. I just it's absolutely

(48:14):
baffling that this is what happened. So this was supposed
to be They were going to.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Send them to QP, send them to Loftist Road, them
to QPR.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Yeah, I guess I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Probably cannot fit a baseball field inside loftist.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Because another stadium that could accommodate this.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
There's not going to be a ton is a thing.
It's gonna be like Wembley, which I'm sure Wembley's booked
for like the cups and stuff, the Cup final.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
But you know what was also booked. Yes, like I
don't understand.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Uh well, the reason why they don't is because the
research I did you know looking this stuff up, Apparently
it's just hard to make these things profitable, even though they're.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Oh, I'm sure it is, yeah, I'm sure it's.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Yeah, there was. I did not know this. Did you
guys know that there was supposed to be a Paris
series this year?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
I vaguely knew that.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
No, they were. They they were trying to, but they
couldn't find a promoter, They couldn't find anyone to help
pay for it, and so they just kind of like
quietly just kind of cast it off. There was all
they need.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
They have the money to pay for it. It's like
a market they don't want.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
They don't want you want to. They want someone else
to lose, someone else should lose money.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yes, there were supposed to be games in San Juan
this year and theoretically next year, although.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Neither of those have an actual baseball stadium already. You
can play it and you don't need to cover.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Uh. They just won't do it, apparently, but they still
negotiate them into the CBA.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Sure they want the option if if, if the situation changes.
I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
They also don't know if they're going to play in
Mexico City next year, even though they also have a
stadium to play there and have done it in the past.
There is a They did build a two game series
between the Potteries and Diamondbacks with off days on both sides,
to theoretically go down there on April twenty fifth and
twenty SI. What will be funny is that we'll find
out on April twenty fifth, because.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
The last time they were in Mexico City, I was like,
oh oh.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah, yeah, no lead up, no build up or whatsoever.
Maybe maybe all over Mexico City everyone like they'd known
for months, but up here we did not get any
not a lot of promotion yet.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
For what's strictly speaking of promotional event, correct, exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
All right, let's go to Around the Horn, our fourth segment.
We're going to do out an in to start your
don Alvarez has a significant ankle sprain after stepping on
home plate. Right, it's not quite as bad as who
was it?

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Kend Morales, But.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Honestly, I'm going to give props to to Joe Espada
on this one. He basically said, you're just gonna have
to wait and find out I'm not. He was like,
I'm not giving you days.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Months, I'll tell you when it goes from significant to
extremely significant.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
But if you're him at this point, would you do
anything else?

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Like?

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Why why would you say something? It's just been because
I don't remember the exact the exact quote.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
But yeah, I'm trying to find it. I can't find it.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah, I'm flying. I'm flying blind here too. Folks like.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah, uh, but but again I don't blame him on
this the way the trading, why would you The thing
is the training staff probably gave him one and he
was probably like, no, like, I'm not, I'm not reporting that,
You're just it was just basically, you're gonna have to
sit and wait. But that's that's significant. Was as far

(51:41):
as he was going to go elsewhere. Uh, Kyle Tucker
flow flu oo excuse me, flew to Florida to get
additional treatment on his calf. The Cubs secured a playoff spot. Yeah,
well he's out, so hopefully he'll be ready to by then.
I don't know, Yeah, obviously it might just it might

(52:04):
not just be Houston, but the injuries have been lingering
with him a little bit. Ah, right, Tyler Molly is
coming back. This is in Uh, he is coming back Friday.
But as we noted the Rangers, you know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
They needed last week.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Yeah, Dalton Rushing is back. You you have in here.
Not a moment too soon. But Ben Vert is just hit.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
I don't know what to tell you that they should
just keep rolling with Ben Murtratt at this point. The
pitching staff has been incredible.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Uh, he has a one. Maybe can can they bring
us Can they bring in Rushing when the when the
bullpen comes in, Yeah, that might be the answer.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
At this point.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Actually, don't put in the paper. Don't put in the
paper that Craig is down bad.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
God, he's he's hitting two ninety with the Dodgers. He
has nine hits in twelve games. He had six hits
in twenty six Schames with the.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Race Future Future Rockies. Three.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
That's that's so real, but also not three hundred. But
future Rocky is extremely correct. Hilda Lucas Giolino hits an
Innings pitched threshold, so his fourteen million dollar club option
becomes a nineteen million dollar mutual option, and honestly he
might just.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
I think he can beat that.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Yeah, I think he can.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
He certainly could beat one year.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
I guess they get qualifying off for him because he
didn't because he was a trade guy when he hit
free agency, so he hasn't gotten the QO before hmm,
which I guess would complicate things slightly. I feel like
there's something they can work something out and do another
two year like one one and one one or two
year deal. Yeah, I feel like they can probably.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Uh, and the Rays are doing some fall some fall cleaning.
Team presidents Matt Silverman and Brian auld are stepping aside
with the sale.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I had not seen this, yeah, yesterday all this supposed
to basically stick around, but only in a role where
he serves uh Sternberg in his minority, you know, silent
as a friend, you have a job. Yeah, he's rushing
messages back and forth between Sternberg, like the like the satellite.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
He's uh, it's just a relay. Yeah, he's uh. I
mean maybe Sternberg just wants him to piss off the council.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Maybe just more great.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Job, just for fun.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Basically I don't have anything else.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yeah, that'll take us to the game.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Yep. Okay, So this is from readers submitted from reader
d L. Thank you dal for for doing this. Uh.
It is essentially a baseball equivalent of a popular NBA
game called Who He Played For?

Speaker 1 (54:56):
And So NBA on c n T once again, I
am I am apparently Charles Barklay. Not good, not a
good reflection on me.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
That's fine.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
What we're going to do, I think that.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
There's any thoughts on san Antonio Craig.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
We have fifteen names. I think what we're gonna do
is just have well we're gonna run this simultaneously, and
whoever says the name first wins. If you say the
wrong name, you were out, and then the other person
can just take their time, all right, So to begin
with Austin wins?

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Not is it what Reds?

Speaker 3 (55:35):
No, they had him earlier. They kind of okay, he is.
He is the Reds best hitter on the year.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
But okay, well, I appreciate. I'm if I'm going to
pick a team that he at least played for, I
feel yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Yeah, no, that's fine. He played most of.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
It where wins. Why would I know this?

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Why would you know this?

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Why would I know this? I know he's not on
the Angels, So that eliminade's like one like place where
you theoretically no, no, because the Marlins did the weird
trade flip with the Fortees. I don't think he's there.
Why I was unding this much time in Austin wins for?
I don't know where he plays. You have twenty nine teams?

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Oh right, yeah?

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Kansas City Royals, all right?

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Is the Sacramento Athletics after after a two two ops
plus with the rest? Yeah, he has an.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
I thought they had William mc kaiver back amp Langlares.
Are they carrying three catchers?

Speaker 3 (56:41):
They could be three carr uh and yes they are? Okay. Next,
Carl Edwards.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Junior in the majors.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Yes, he's in the majors like currently right now, currently,
right now he is. He was called up a few
days ago.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
He played for few was like the Angels, I will
go with the Angels, all right?

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Nope. The last team I knew he was with was
the Nationals, but I haven't known. Did they have just
brought him back on it? He was just there. Sure,
I'll go with the Nationals.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Carl Everwards Junior has three innings pitch with the Texas Rangers.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yeah, the met Series. Yeah, I don't think you pitched.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
But all right, next one? And is this Cabrera?

Speaker 2 (57:29):
He just came into a game and I saw it
the game. Was I watching that he came in and
pitched Cubs?

Speaker 3 (57:40):
No?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
That was aunt, Like you pitched for the Cubs this year?

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Boy, That's what's what kills me. These are good? These
are good Patrick. I like what kills me is like
I know he went from Saint Louis to Toronto last year,
and like, I like, it's not anything the Mats to It.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Is shocking how Hennessarra has gone from a reliever to
one of those guys so quickly.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I'm going to say he has been on this team.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
He actually has been on four teams this year?

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Has he?

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yes? Were the Cub Cubs or one of them? Weren't they?

Speaker 1 (58:23):
You know what this is? This is a bad guess,
but I'm just gonna say it. I'm gonna say the Brewers.
They've they've had a lot of injuries.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Maybe is the Twins?

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Twins?

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Yeah, they don't even exist after the next one. Raphael Montero.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Detroit Tigers.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Point I got him at the trade that line. I
remember your your your Gary? Excuse me, Gary?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Is he not on the Orioles?

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Orioles is correct. I want to thank you. Thought you
just a hurt earlier.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
I needed it.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
I thought I thought somebody would ever thinking next? Uh
Ron Marinaccio Padres. Correct. I think it's very funny that
the Padres next Cole Sulcer.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
This also the Twins.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
No good, guess so the last team I remember the Marlins.
He has never played for the Twins.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Mm hmmm, although it could. There's two sorcerers, right, maybe
I'm you're thinking of the other I am.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Are you thinking of stands?

Speaker 3 (59:38):
No? No, there's a boat, there was a bowl. There
was a bow sulcer who pitched in trade. I knew
there were two sorcers.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Bo Sorcer.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Come on, I didn't I knew there were two. That's
all I'm saying. All Right, Craig, Okay, I'm sorry, Uh
just Marlin's sure whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
It is the Raise. Next Miguel Castro, Yeah, Miguel if
Hennis Sisca Barra. Just cast has been this guy for
a while. Yeah, he has a seven fifty r A
and six innings Diamondbacks last year. Good club, very close.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Seattle Mariners.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Uh no, not that also a good guess, but no,
it is the Chicago White Sox.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Okay, had no idea, no idea, Jose or Katy. He
and the majors.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
He is in the majors. Twins, Nope, yeah, Tigers, Tigers,
is correct.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
The Tigers picked him up there still there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
He has pitched two innings. They have not gone well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Now, all right, so we're too Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Next, Alexis d as Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
I read the TA where he did this, and I
don't remember what team he went to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
I don't either, two point two Sacramento.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Nope, Marlins.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
It is the Atlanta Braves.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Braves, that's so they pick up everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
They pick up everybody. Three three, three runs and two innings.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
I'm so mad at myself.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Louis Fasquez, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Even I don't know who that is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
I feel like I know who that is, but.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Louis Fasquez, Yeah, No, Is that a picture.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Can you know? I was thinking of somebody else. We're
gonna skip Louise fasct Okay you shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
You should come down prospect at one point, I.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Think he was and he is now in Baltimore. Sure,
no chance, And though he's now an infielder. So who
knows next? Sandy Leone?

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Oh he just hit a home yes for who?

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Who?

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Nationals?

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Oh? Who was it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Now in the Nationals?

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Have how far?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Oh? That's right?

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Oh I just saw this at a home run.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
I have no idea for who is it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
No, that doesn't seem right. Shit who?

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Okay mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
I'm so mad right now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Eight plate appearances his first, he didn't play, he didn't
make the majors last year. I'm so mad right now
it is it was his first home run, says twenty
twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
I'm gonna get this wrong, but I yeah, as I'm
just also, is it the raise.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
See Atlanta brace said the Braves. Damn it all right?
Second and last one, I'm still tied it too. Casey Legumina,
like come on, like like I know who that is?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yeah, but like, on principle, why would I be keeping track?

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Forty seven and two thirds innings pitch this year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
I have not paid the major in the majors, who
have I not paid attention to it all? Forty forty
seven innings.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
They haven't been great, no, I would imagine, oh really,
but they've apparently been necessary. The White Sox nop.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
That was my guess. I'm going to go to guess
at first, So eliminate the White Sox.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
I'm so mad about Sandy leon You guys, I can't
even tell you it can't be the Pirates because I
would have noticed that. Casey, I can I just well, bigger,
I'll fill some time. I saw Demetrius Bell post about
Sandy Leone, and so I thought to myself it was
but I didn't But but so I thought Braves, and

(01:04:11):
then I thought maybe it was a Braves opponent, and
then I could not think of who they had played recently.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
So I'm going to go with thee.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
It is the Seattle Mariners.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Okay, I thought it was just he's just a Mariner.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
All right. Still tied it to last one. Jake Fraley
Brave Braves is correct the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Third time, third time on the Braves, just in this game.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Yeah, if I had just guessed the race for everyone,
I guess I would.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Have yep, you would, well you would if you guessed
Atlanta for everyone, you would have tied or well you
would have maybe one, because I wouldn't have gone. Jake Frayley,
Uh yeah, he has an identical ops plus with the Braves.
Sure in twenty four play, here is ninety three ninety
three the most Jake Frailey ops bus. So congratulations, Craig.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Thank you again.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
I feel like you won like four, You've.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Done a pretty good run.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Not in a row, definitely not. I think I did
okay but lost on something.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Yeah, I know I noted this in the five, and
I have discard channel that Greggs. Craig's generally done better.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
I think of the last where's brighton Brighton?

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Next we posted the stats. I feel like your winning
percentage has improved.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Yeah, there's like aviation.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
You have steaks. Now it's false important.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
I was gonna say it's external external stakes of.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
The internal pressure.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Yeah, you're like you're you're like a checker at Target.
You know now that you now that your job's on
the line, now that there's evidence of your failure, Now
that's just plain motivation. It's all it's good business sense.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Yeah, thank you so, I guess. Thank you to Brighton
on that one. Thank you, Thank you to DL for
the game ye, thank you to Pat for running it
and for you both, to you both for hosting this episode.
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Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
Is kiala stuff h