Five and Dive, Episode 495: A Fortuitous Monday

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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Welcome to episode four ninety five of five and Dive.
It is Monday, September twenty nine. I'm your host, krit Olson,
joined as usual by Patrick Dubuke and Jeffrey patron Nostro.
This is a well timed podcast, I suppose, given that
we normally record Mondays. But it is the interregnum between

(00:53):
the Uh. It's probably used wrong. I apologize, but and
I apologize for the cough. It is the time between
the end of the regular season and the beginning of
the postseason.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Which is always a Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well whatever, Jeffy, today the playoffs. The playoffs mess with
our podcast schedule. They do.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Today's the day to more in the baseball that was
robbed from us, the game one sixty threes, that multiple
one sixty three we should have today.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
But I'm not watching another match baseball game if.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
It didn't work last year when we had games on money, true,
so you know this year it works. Okay, we'll take it.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Uh. I don't know what do we have for banter?
How was your weekend? I was and am still sick,
as everyone can tell I am.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
I'm pretty far into hades two now.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay. I have also played a fair bit of Hades two.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
It's very good, very well reviewed. I like it a lot.
I think part of the problem is I had kind
of just gotten to the point with Hades one where
I'm like, I don't need to play this anymore, and
then Hades two came out. Yeah, so it's been a
lot of the same thing. Yeah, and it feels deeper

(02:18):
and slower than Hades one, which normally I would like,
but I was kind of getting a little burned out
on Hades one. I'm going to continue to keep playing
it though, because I'm really enjoying it, but it's kind
of like, when do we get to the fireworks Factory?
A little bit I'm at that point would help. It
would help I could beat Scilly and the Sirens.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
But I think it's been about a year and a half,
so I'm in a good spot for you.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I was late to Actually I waited until it was
like ten dollars on the on the switch, I'm like,
I should finally play this, and then I played it.
I'm like, oh, I played a lot of games that
ripped this off apparently.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, well, I will not be playing it until the
book is done, so yeah, another three months before I
consider it, and.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I don't know, I can do like a couple of
runs and then before bad and stuff and just put
it down and.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
To yeah, I think it's it's very good. I skill
is not a problem for me. It's it's the next one.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Okay, that's spoiler.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Well oh you haven't got Okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
I haven't done that. I haven't done that. I've only
done that. I'm just a.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Little a little advice to you and any of the listeners.
Focus on the drummer first.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Just okay, yeah, I've only gotten to it. I've only
done like twenty five runs. I've only gotten a couple
of times. But it's funny. When I started playing, I'm like, oh,
there's all these new boons and stuff, and you take
skill trees. I can try out. Let me do it.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
That's the same thing it is.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
But I like forgot to like the first like half
dozen rounds, I just didn't add damage. I kept dying.
So I'm trying all these weird boons that have just like, oh,
your attack does thirty percent more, I should do that
so I can.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Do that one thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Patrick, Well, should
we just get into the show. I suppose Well, I
was going to say also the well, we'll get to
it our first segment. It's a cruel, cruel summer. I'm
sorry to start here, Jeffrey.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
It's where you start, It's where you start, the start.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
The Mets are eliminated despite Cincinnati losing, the Mets could
not do their part, which really just sums up. I
don't know how much of the last part of the season.
Three months, two months, three months, and boy, I gotta
tell you that Alonso opt out hit. It was very quickness.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
He was ready for that question. He did not want
to think about it.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
I feel like, oh, he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
He's not thinking about things a lot.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
He was ready to He his agent had him well
drilled for that question being asked in the post game. Yeah,
they've also said there will be some coaching changes, but
not oh Andy Martino has reported it will be some
coaching changes, but not Colors. Mendoso will be retained. Stern
speaks in like three hours where we might get more details.

(05:12):
Not Look, this was an annoying season. I forgot about
it almost as soon as it was over, and I'd
like to continue to do that, except I'm writing the
Mets essay for the annual so that's where I am.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well, yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Sorry for that, but I volunteered for it in May.
I asked for it in May when it was I'm
going to be a different topic. I don't know what
the topic was going to be, but whatever, I'll figure
out something.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
I think there's a certain like the Mets are a
certain type of fregettable where it's like, first of all,
you want to but also they weren't bad enough for
any particular thing.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Right, and it wasn't as sharp a collapse as the
Tigers of the Astros either. They were just bad for
three months. Yeah, and they just kind of never kicked
it into year enough even though they came that they've
played won the last day of the season. They so
would have made it, And I think the narrative would
be slightly different even if they got, you know, swucked
by the Dodgers. I think because like playoffs are their

(06:09):
playoffs non playoffs. I know we talked about like what
actually division and buys, but making the playoffs versus not
making the playoffs is a pretty big divider.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah. I also think like, obviously the playoffs can cover
for some since and how things go in the last
but do you feel much better about this Mets season
if they win the last game and get into the
sixth seeds, like, that's still an incredibly disappointing it is season.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
You can also write, but you can also you know,
wish cast on them making a run, whether they do
or not.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Of course, again I'm saying it covers for some, but
like the regular season, for what it was to me,
just in isolation, is that just like they shouldn't, they
shouldn't we shouldn't be talking about them.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
For they win. Right if they win eighty seven games
and are regular disappointing, I think the conversation is different too.
And look, a lot of this was sequencing. A lot
of this was picture injuries, a lot of this was
just weirdness. There's some tactical stuff as well. But you know,
it's it's funny because we were going to do a

(07:23):
topic later like who is the team that missed out?
Like who should be most encouraged by? It's actually the Mets,
but no one's gonna say the Mets.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, okay, so I thought I looked at that, and
I thought about that. Yeah, and so the thing is,
like I would not be encouraged by I was going
to ask us, ask you guys, like what do we
mean by that? Right, Because the question is like I
would not be encouraged by their season. I would not
be be feeling good or encouraged.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
But there's nothing.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Like regular season the state of their franchise.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Sure, but like there's nothing here where you can look
and say, Lindor's probably past his peak now, right, but
he was still like a five six win player, and
I think we'll continue to probably be a five to
six win player released the next couple of seasons. You know,
the disappointing one Soto season, he hit like forty three
home runs and drove it over one hundred and like

(08:19):
like sixty percent better, fifty sixty percent better than league average.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
He was.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
He had a one sixty ops plus this year, which
I think is right around it's a.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Little above the average. But yeah, yeah, yeah, Nimo is
trending badly. You don't love that Alonso had like a
nice bounce back season. But it's also a free agent.
So you have the three young pitchers that look like
they're going to be serious rotation considerations for next year. Mcleyon, look,

(08:49):
Jared and I have talked about it, and we haven't
had a formal one on one call yet. McLean's the
best pitching prospect of baseball, or, as Jared put it,
the best prospect eligible pitcher right because he's been up
for forty nine innings. But you know he's passed up
a Chandler, he's past I mean, Andrew Painter is going
in the wrong direction. But he's passed a lot of
the guys. You know, he's probably better than Totally or

(09:10):
Connelly early, he's probably better than he's passed Hong, who
was ahead of him at the midseason list. So you
got that right, he looks like the top of the
rotation starter. You know, you've got like, look, Brett Batty
and Francisco Alvarez had in some ways encouraging seasons. And
Alvarez is still a lot younger than you think he is.
He's only twenty three, and they have you know, center

(09:32):
field was a black hole. Well they have a top
twenty prospect that can play center field that fent time
in Triple A this year. So you look at all that,
it is encouraging for the twenty twenty sixth season. Obviously,
there's there's got to be some moves made, especially with
the pitching staff, and you know, they got to figure
out first base in DH. But right, there's not it's

(09:56):
hard to separate out the underperformance this year such as
it was, and a lot of it was sequencing. I mean,
even if they get good sequencing, it's still I'm still
underperformance baked in there.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
They're probably an upper eighties win team when you hook
and be a load to mid nineties win team, and
a lot of that. Every pitcher got hurt or pitched
awful when they were healthy in the second half, like
you know, David Peterson and Manaiah Though, who was also
hurt before that. But you know, I like, I don't
think you're going to pencil them into the division favorite

(10:29):
next year, but they're gonna put with a fairly normal opon.
They're gonna get protected for a playoff spot again next year.
And if they get even like average luck and sequencing, though,
I'll maybe back that's not any way satisfying after watching,
as I put it, wasting another year of your life
watching the Mets.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, I mean, so Steve Cohen made a post.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
He did, Uh, It's it's fine, it's fine. It's like
very much like this was several PRP people looked at
this before it was sure no, but asking Roc about
like medical questions.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
But he says, we'll do a post mortem to figure out,
you know, the reasons the team didn't perform, and blah
blah blah. And I think I can sum it up
with a post from drill that is accidentally fire as
an entire air fifteen magazine into my foot and leg
with one hundred percent accuracy rate. All right, that's fine,
here's what I think happened. One out of eighty two.

(11:27):
That's the METS. I'm sorry like that they shot. They
shot themselves in the leg and foot, and then it's like, okay,
we're going to figure out what happened.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Well, don't do that again.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Don't do that again. I yeah, I mean we talked
about this and and I think we got a we
got an email over from a listener and I appreciate
the the they wrote in and they were very nice
and appreciate the pod. And look, we always I say
the email address at the end of every pod because
we want to hear from people. And you know, they

(12:01):
said that we kind of focused on I guess maybe
like the process stuff more than the actual results. And
like kind of the wonder and frustration of the actual result,
and and we skipped that part a little bit and
go to to like is this real? Is it not real?
And that's not what everyone's in it for.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Like there's I'm sorry, there's no there's no wonder in
the Cleveland Guardians. But just well, look, one hundred and
sixty two games is both a lot of games and
also not a lot of games in a way from
like an analytical point of view. And there's like there's
like mini seasons, right because you can look at the
Mets second half and they played like the White Sox.

(12:40):
You know, they played like the no good teams this year.
They played like the Brewers for half a season and
the White Sox for the other half. Right, And yeah,
I mean that again, there's not a lot of no like, look,
I'm going to enjoy every George Valera hit in these playoffs.
I didn't even mentioned it.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I mean with respect to the Guardians, I was gonna
kind of talk about the Mets, and right, like we're
talking about we've moved to the to the to the
point where it's like we're talking about how well they're
set up and and kind of the processes here behind
and it and to your point, like it is just
in a lot of ways pitching injuries and runners in
scoring position.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Variance that was repeated in the fray Consistcord a little
bit too much this year was a load bearing Griffin Canning.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah. Well, and again it is these injuries which you
can't really predict. Its injury variance. It's health variance, right.
And then it's also, like you said, situational hitting variants,
and and that is so as you said, wholly unsatisfying. It. Yes,
it will not make you feel better, but if I'm

(13:50):
trying to I'm not trying to bypass that frustration and
that the fury that everyone anyone.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
A lot of people are calling up w f A
and today and calling them gutless chokers.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
M hm, right, I understand. I guess I'm just saying, like,
this is not the wonderment wonderment aspect of that, but
it's the flip side of that. But I'm not trying
to ignore that by saying it's it's just variance, and
it should you know, who knows, but it probably should
even out a little bit. But it just is, right, right,
that's probably the case.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
This is the macro version of like Spencer Torkhlsen's career, right,
like somebody has to be the unluckiest hitter in baseball. Yeah,
and Torkleson fixed some tweaks some things this year, right,
and the Mets are going to tweak some things. They
should tweak a lot of the same things that Spencer
Torkleson tweak, trying to pull the ball in the air more.
But we'll see what happens with the coaching. But look,

(14:42):
you can take the satisfaction that if they decided gains
by Xueva, the mess would be in the playoffs right now,
Hang the banner, Hang the banner.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Well, you don't get to hang an actual banner though
you'd have to get you basically.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Be a virtual banner. They already did a chat GPT
day at a city fields, so great, get your NFT,
you know, first fifteen thousand fans, get an NFT of
you know, x WOBAD twenty twenty five XHOBA Champions beautiful.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah elsewhere. The Astros were eliminated on game one sixty one,
which a number of people I'm sure will find beautiful.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Uh yeah, I don't need less to say. I mean
they just got really hurt.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, it's like, yeah, they obviously went forward to the deadline,
they took on the Korea contract, and he ended up playing.
He was very good for the first bit of the
post trade deadline, but ended up like fine, but now
you have the rest of the Carlos Korea contract and
you still have you sack prayers dh.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, I mean, look, he ended up at one seventeen
ops plus, right, I think that's better than fine. It's
also probably not enough of enough to jump. If he
does that, it's probably a little bit underwater, right.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Probably they probably need to trade PRAI I mean probably, well, yeah,
you just can't have both those guys on the roster
and one of them you can't trade.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I mean they might trade Jeremy Panya and playing charts
off you want to get really weird.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
I think they should probably trade his prades.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Probably, yeah, but Jeremy Panya is the guy does not extend.
I mean they I think they both have what two
years of control left now.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
But yeah, I mean I think this Astra season, though,
really just comes down to pitching. They had, you know,
they had from er Valdez and one hundred round the
one hundred and eighty five plus innings, and then they
had a slew of I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
It's just everyone else, yeah, blue Bah just the first.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Name, right, Jason, Alexander and Colton Gordon. Yeah, and just
you know, as many first names as you can think of,
Brandon Walter, why not, let's super more in the mix.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Walter and Gordon both first names of very particular vintage. Yeah,
to be last names.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Colton and Brandon too for first names. Anyway, Yeah, it's
this was really about the pitching. But the thing is,
like they've they've done this, they used to survive.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
That and and I mean they almost did.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
They almost did. Yeah, but again and like the most
this Yeah, and with no great teams.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Just Angels and the A's the last week of the
season too, and just they shot the entire ar fifteen.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
But yeah, you know that Christian Walker, like yeah, he
seems like he just wasn't getting old and then he
yeah at thirty four, just yah, rough season, I don't know,
do you do.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
You hitch you at thirty four? Sometimes I don't.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Even remember.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
That part hit see you what a forty Patricks?

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah, I don't remember that one either.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Right about where the hangover started getting worse.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
I yeah, I don't know what I mean, what else?
And a lot of this was just, you know, not
that it's rare that Jordan Alvarez is hurt, but forty
eight games is less than you you might even expect
from him.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Look, right, I missed time parade as miss time.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Right, this was a very injured team. Their training staff
said it would be fine early on, but then it
turned out.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, to be fair to Christian Walker, after the break,
he hit two fifty three twelve forty eighty eight like
there might still something be in the tank. He did
come back pretty well in the second half.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
It wasn't enough for the Astros because they still had
Jason Alexander pitching four days in a row under different names.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
But yeah, I don't know what else I can say.
It's really just injuries. But also I don't I don't
know are we looking forward? Do we care to look forward?
About the Astros right now?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
They have an interesting off season, I think, Okay, I
just like I don't know exactly what they're good like.
Unlike the Mets, they do not have a ton of
internal options.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Right, Yeah, it it really feels and you know, you
can speak more of this than I can, Jeff, But
it really feels like ever since the the scandal draft penalties,
then they their farm system took a hit, and I
feel like I have not heard anything from their farm system.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
So they've had a like they're yeah, I mean like
Blue Like they've gotten guys like Blue Baugh, right, Colton Gordon,
like Hunter Brown was drafted before that, right, I think,
but like was developed under Like. They still do some
stuff like Miguel Yola is probably their best fidging prospect
and he's interesting. He also walked like six for nine
in triplet this year. But yeah, there is going to

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be a you know, a knock on there's going to
be a knock on effect to delayed thing your system
for that. But they also so tard. They do weird.
They've started targeting, especially since Chris Gross left to go
to the match a couple of years ago. They've targeted
like like twenty tens Phillies type bats like really tools

(20:15):
the high upside can't really hit, guys who haven't really
hit and who else would be far pretty far away anyway.
Mostly preps like Bryce Matthews came up and didn't really
hit enough, and he was like they're big and he's
like the college version of that guy. I think he

(20:36):
was the first I think this was their first first
round pick the year they had a first round pick
maybe forgetting the exact timing on that. And look, they're
going to have to go and like spend and like
it's not they haven't willing to do it, right, they
just took on the Corea deal they signed Christian Walker,
But like, are they going to bring back from Berveldes, right,
because that's right, that is a load bearing from Berveldes

(20:59):
for that in that rotation right now, and they don't
they go.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
It's a scary proposition too, to potentially bring him. He's
going to get a big deal.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
He's I'm very like he's going to get I think
probably something in the Robbie Ray Kevin Gosman range at least, right,
Like it's going to be five and nine figures, I would, yeah, yeah,
something like that.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
But that's that can be justifiably scary. Yeah, he he
obviously compiles a lot of innings and that's valuable. He's
going to be thirty two, yeah next year.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
It's really easy to see him being a third starter
pretty quick, right, strikeouts go and suddenly you're just you're
contact with which.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
I mean even is fine if it's like it's five
years at twenty three million a year, but they need
him to be better than that.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, well and.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Like the man very clearly through a fastball and as well, Yeah,
I don't, like there are other aspects and I don't
want to make too much of one incident. But you know,
they also came, didn't They say he was like already
working with the intimated things, which might not be fair
sure to go off of, but also like I don't
have anything else to go off of, and he threw

(22:09):
a fastball at his catcher's chest basically, So yeah, I
don't it's a little it's maybe a scary investment potentially.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
But like, do you have like none of the other
you know, if you pivot to Dylan Ceese, is that
any less?

Speaker 1 (22:25):
No?

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, like the pitching market is what it is. Yeah,
they don't have the trade pieces to really go out
and get I don't even know even like a Mitch
Keller level arm. So it's you know, it's not impossible
that like Spencer Raghetty and aj Blueba are viable major
LEA starters next year, but also how much you want

(22:48):
to bet on that.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Well, I don't know how much you want to bet
on it, but I look, a lot of people really
liked Arraghetty coming into this year, and and what decent reason,
you know, if he's healthy. I think that's not the
worst thing to roll the dice on. But you need more, yeah,
than than just that too. I I even think blue

(23:10):
Ball could be a fine fourth fifth starter. I don't
think that's that's something that's exactly like, you know, sneeze
at but right they yeah, I mean like they got
nothing from Ronald Blanco this year, They've got they got,
you know, less than that from in terms of Indians,
from Christian Javier. It's just a number of guys that

(23:31):
it doesn't seem like you're gonna be able to rely
on for full seasons, even if you know, under the
best of circumstances. Anyway, I yeah, I don't know. It's
it's I don't want to say it's bleaked, but it's
it's potentially bleak.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's weird, it remains weird, like I don't you know,
did you? Is this a new level of performance for
Jeremy Pinyah?

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Right?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
If it is. That's good. You know, eastak Paradis was
their second best hitter bio ps plus this year, and
they might have to trade they'd have to trade them,
but they might trade them.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
You know what what are you getting from Cam Smith
and you and your Diaz and Christian Walker next year?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Right? And those are those are open questions? Yeah, I mean,
like it really could go repeats of twenty twenty five
or or it could be significantly better.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
I mean that's you know, Jake Myers and.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Can Jake Myers be a league averagehitry gay?

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yeah, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
I have my doubts, yess.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
But like they need to like, you know, this is
you talk about the Mets and they're like, do you
brandon them out of the Astros? Does that work out
for small field or Yeah? I mean I know, maybe
they want to get Yeah, maybe ask when they want
to get rid of I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Can we can we get Cooper Hammel to a new team?
The real question?

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
In other news, the Braves not only we mentioned they
signed Charlie Moore, Yeah, but they gave him the Hey listen,
if you're Atlanta, Yeah, yes, absolutely do this for the guy.
I mean for the guy for the fans, for all
the forty plus year olds out there who need a guy,
you know, making a start for them. It was nice

(25:17):
they brought his family out on the field when they
took him out. Why not?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
I don't we had nothing else on?

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah, no, no, I thought it was I thought it
was just funny enough to including the notes. Yeah, we've
done it.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
The Giants. Speaking of funny enough and just enough, the
Giants finished at eighty one and eighty one, of.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Course they did.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, they're not at a zero run that frenchow, which
would have been fun. The Royals did have a shot
at finishing with the eighty one eighty one exactly zero runs,
but they went and screwed up and won.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah. But no notes on the Giants, well one, well
so no, no, I was just saying, no, like, no
notes sound like, yeah, they did the job right. I
don't have a note on their season. But speaking of jobs,
it says you're Bob Melvin fired. I saw last night
he was saying he was expecting to talk to someone
and didn't know the status. I guess I had not

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seen this morning, just kiding okay.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Oh yeah, there it is literally literally just yeah, now
in my app notification train.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Okay, sure, I mean that's fine. I don't really have
I don't take issue with that.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
I guess I'm not sure if.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
You listen to this podcast, you definitely don't listen to
this podcast. Give Eric schaub as a call. I think
he could be a good manager. The San Francisco Giants
and the Rockies.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
I think at some point we said if they.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Lose out like they could threaten they They didn't quite
do it, but they finished with one hundred nineteen losses
a minus four hundred and twenty four run differential. I saw,
you know, are Mario Delgado Henzor posting about this? They said,
you know, he noticed noted excuse me that the when

(27:10):
Lost record wasn't going to show it, but that the
Rocky this the twenty twenty five Rockies might be the word.
I don't know if you say the worst of all time,
but like right right there, right, I mean like they
I don't know, would you would you say, like they're
worse than the twenty twenty four White Sox. I think

(27:30):
run defferential makes it makes a case.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, I do think and one of my one of
my pet theories is that teams are worse than they
used to be when it comes to this stuff because
they have stopped trying as much at this stuff that
they used to. I think that in low leverage between
position players pitching and uh and you know, like managers

(27:56):
managing workloads and lifting people more, I think than they
used to. I feel like teams really just once they
hit five or six runs down, let off the gas more,
which is causing some of this. Also probably, yes, they
are the worst team ever. Like there they got to
that six run definit by the second if at like

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every other game.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I gotta tell you, he did not have many position
players pitching.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
That's also true. Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
So they got an inning from Austin Nola and anything
from Kyle Farmer, an inning from Alan Trejoe and I'm
I'm just eye volume their brough page, but I think
that's it interesting. Jacob stongs I'm sorry, Jacob, two innings
from Jacob Stocks. So they had five position player innings. Hmm.

(28:56):
So in support of the yeah, I guess not never mind, No,
I'm not try I'm not. You're right, I think in general,
but they they don't do it. I mean as This
is another confounding aspect of the Rockies is that they
did it with actual pictures and and as Mario notes,
like this is them trying. They're not trying to tank,

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They're just bad.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
I would be curious if you I don't know if
we could pull this information. Maybe we can get Robert
to do it. But I would be curious to see
how much time the Rockies spent with even a chance
to win throughout their entire Like how many innings did
the Rockies even have like a win percentage out of above,

(29:45):
Like you know, oh.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I'm sure, I'm sure you could pull it.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
It would be fascinating how to figure out the percentage
of Rockies baseball being played in which they were even
within three runs because it felt like they were just
down instantly every year game. Yeah, no more than the
White Tux the White like bad teams usually just don't
have any relievers because they've taken anybody with any kind

(30:09):
of possible talent and made them starter. And usually what
happens does you give up three runs in the first
four winnings, so it's not a good start, and then
the bullpen, the terrible bullpen, just keep bleeding. Whereas the Rockies,
like their starters were so bad that it felt like
they just crashed out instantly.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it was just so much. Antonio
senz a Tela.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, you know, I got news for you about the
twenty twenty six Rockies.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, well the Rockies so thirtieth ranked by starting pitching
dra and thirtieth rank by so they did. I think
also Darc the other part of this, like Mario.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Mario had this thread and he just notes the Rockies
average four and a half runs per game at course Field. Yeah,
league average was four point four five across across baseball
at Corus Field. They were a league average baseball team.
And then when they played away they averaged two point

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eight runs per.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Game, Like I did. I when you started saying that
sentence only goes to me like mid to high threes.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
I should have asked you. I should have.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I would have like point seven. That's honestly, like we
stopped paying attention to the Rockies because they can't clear
they weren't going to break the record at one point
like August, and because I think there's just fatigue for
terrible baseball after the White Sox season last year too. Yeah,

(31:42):
but like this was truly terrible baseball. This was like
one of the conservatively is one of the five worst
seasons in baseball history.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yes, yeah, I mean, as Marius says, not even the
depths of the dead ball era. Yeah, sniffed anything under
three point three runs to the road.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Putting team that like folded mid season.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
In the ages. Yeah, yeah, this is this is.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Because they played all of them.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, this is a rendifferential not a you're past the
rendifferential teams that moved after the season and straight into disbanded.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Patrick, to your pointing about how often they were blown
out kind of Mario notes, they got outscored by eight
plus runs in fourteen of one hundred and sixty.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, and they only lost by a one run like
twenty times. So they were they were blown out very
nearly as many times they lost to by a single run.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
It is legitimately, I mean, like under six hundred runs.
This team scored well, playing half their games, and course,
like it boggles the mind, it really does. Like it is.
It's it is hard to fathom the depths of this

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this Rockies team. And you know, as we we talked about,
you know, you mentioned the twenty twenty six Rockies, like
the help is not coming.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
No, it was.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
It was partial. I mean, like this is we've They
called up yan Keel Fernandez, they called up Jordan's Beck,
they I don't have pictures to call up.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
And Jordan back finished the ninety four ohps floss.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
So I just want to note Colorado had the worst offense,
the worst starting pitching, the worst reliefing pitching, the worst
defense in baseball, and uh finished eighteenth in base running.
So they were they only had on yeah, only negative
point one runs in running.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Oh they were still negative.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
They're still negative, all right, all right. I just I
just think it's very funny that the Rockies as soon
as they as soon as they clinched not losing one
hundred and twenty, they just lost out after that. Yeah,
just straight up like okay, no one's looking, let's just
we'll just leave.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I will say. Kyle Freeland started his career twenty eight
to eight team. He has now sixty five and ninety
mm hm.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
A chance to another.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, he's got a best egg. He might hit that
vesting option for twenty twenty seven too. Yeah, he's had
throw one hundred and seventy innings next year he threw U.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Threw one hundred and sixty.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, it's possible.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
He's only probably.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
The other part of it is like, like, you know,
the Pirates would just bench him or cut him.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah, at that threshold, the Rockies will let him. Yeah,
the Rockies will let him.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
They won't.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
They might want him to do it, yeah, the reliever.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, they also might be like, look, you don't want
to be here anymore. You probably would prefer to go
somewhere else for a five million, But you can't turn
down seven, Like, you can't turn it down. It's too much,
it's too much. We want you here, stay here, all right.
Let's go to our second segment, the a All wild
Card preview. You are forgiven if you feel like the

(35:08):
regular season is still happening. Given the potential for three
straight afternoon games between the Guardians, good week afternoon game
between the Guardians and Tigers, it feels right, doesn't it.
Detroit Cleveland. Cleveland will host. As we discussed, we're gonna

(35:29):
do our standard here. The Guardians will win, if the
Tigers will win. If we'll start with the home team,
the Guardians will win. If I'll start with you Patrick.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
All right, well, yeah, I picked the obvious one. Uh,
Cleveland starting pitching was insane in September, and basically they
they need Gavin, they need Ace, Gavin, Williams, they need uh,
they need everybody. Yeah, Parker, Joey can Joey Kit. Yeah,
we don't We don't know who's starting Game three. Was

(36:00):
that const us a little bit of heartburn last night sitting.
They do have options. They're going to start Williams in
Game one and by the and game two. In Game three,
they could do Cantillo, they could do Messic, they could
do uh.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
CHACONI not Logan Allen. No, they could do anyone but
Logan Allen.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
I think they should use can't you because Canio is
left handed and right that gets my so is right, Yes,
but Canto strikes This is in the preview.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yes, he strikes people out. He had seven consecutive starts
of two earned runs or fewer to close out the season,
five of those coming after he was called back up
from Triple A. Yeah, he's he's been really good towards
the end of the season and and I think it's
kind of a cool turnaround for a guy. I mentioned this.
He just he could not find the strike zone. In

(36:50):
his his last playoff appearance, it would be it would
be cool if he got to pitch and and didn't
do the same thing against the Yankees. He walked like
four guys and a third of an inning or something like.
I don't remember exactly.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Some of those might come if they need to use
Parker Mesk for three innings in Game two or something. Behind.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Yeah, the bullpen is not quite as good as last year.
I don't know that it could be, but it's still
very good. I guess I'll just jump in. The Guardians
will win if I said if it comes down to
the bullpens, because the Tigers also not quite as good
as last year, and and by not quite I mean
not remotely. I think if this somehow comes down to
the bullpens, that is really where Cleveland shines in comparison

(37:33):
to to the Tigers. It's kind of as simple as that. So, Jeff,
what's yours?

Speaker 3 (37:38):
I said?

Speaker 2 (37:39):
If someone on the Guardian that they walk off on
run in the thirteenth inning of Game three, otherwise this
series might never end.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
It's it's really giving. Guardians raised playoff. Yes in a
lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
And like the Tigers are as they also haven't played
better than that recently, so they haven't. I know, lot
of it has been the bullpen and not the lineup, but.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah, I mean this is like the move the stoppable
force versus lovable object essentially in terms of of the
Tiger's bullpen versus the Guardians lineup. And and look, I
know I've dumped on the Guardians line up a lot.
And I know, like Bo Naylor had had a really
nice close to this to the season.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
George Valeria is probably going to start these first two games.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Oh he will. He also was like on fire, he
was good.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Not No, that's my point is that he might start
these first two games.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, so the Tigers will win if I'll start. Because
I just mentioned Bo Naylor. Can they contain bon Naylor
like that's and and substitute George Valera or I don't
know whoever else you want? Was it Jonathan Rodriguez home run? Sure?
C J Kyphis, something the player you want? But can

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they contain whichever guy that is who isn't Jose Ramirez
or Kyle Manzara, Right, Like Jose Ramirez should not get
a pitch more than on the edge of the strikes
up This whole series.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, I said for mine, uh, the that they can't
waste hare school. I mean, part of this thing is
that it's kind of a greazy. It's kind of amazing
that the Tigers had the month they had. You're not
you're not supposed to be able to have that month
when you have the best pitcher in the American League
on your team. Like theoretically you should be winning everything.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
But their bullpen, their bullpen made made a lot of
hay in the inning or two he gets.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
He he lost his last two starts. He gave up
one run and lost boat and they they lost both
of them.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
So like he gave up like three runs and no
ball left the infield or something.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
And well that that was that again it was into Yeah,
so you said he gave up one run, but he
gave one run because he threw the ball between his legs.
For no, he gave up three runs that game. But yeah,
I mean, yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
You just you need to They need to win Game
one and then basically put Cleveland on the back foot
and just at that point, you just need to win
one of those in baseball happens.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Right, I think that's right, Which takes us to Jefferies.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, they so they are starting Williams and Bibi in
the first two games, So the lefties need to do
their jobs basically, you know, Riley Green, Zach McKinstry, Kerry Carpenter,
Kerry Carpenter, like they they're gonna have to hit and
like man, Riley Green strike out in one times this year,
not the most.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
I love that you got Zach McKinstry in there ahead
of Kerry Carpenter.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
I mean that's the order they were listed on the
baseball I know.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
I just.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
You know, you can throw like Glaber's in a batt
left handed too, and they're just like, not clear, he's
not switch What do I think he's a switch hitter?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Cole Keith right, Like col Keith has a pretty big
that's so they have guys that can hit, right. He say, look,
baby's a good pitcher, not having a particularly good season.
Gavin Williams is having a good season, but walking the
ballpark like they can get to these rights and I
think if they do, you know, they can put it
out of reach before the bullpen gets it.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, and again I think you can you can say
this of any game and we talked about it with
the Mets and everything before, but like for the Tigers, like,
can you get a hit with runners in scoring position?
Because I think you're going to get runners in scoring position?
Your point about about Williams walking out, you're gonna get
a walk in a hit. Can you get the second hit? Right?

(41:37):
I think even with Biby right, Like Bibby had a
four to two e er. I think he's better than that.
I think is in general, but he was gettable this year.
So when you get a guy on second base, can
you bring him in, whether it's I guess, whether it's
a hit, whether it's if you get a leadoff double,
can you manufacture the run? Cause I think if you

(41:58):
can do that, you have to feel good as Detroit.
Obviously they haven't, they've played terribly, But you're going to
have the opportunities. I think we're going to talk about
some scenes where it's like you might not get I
don't know if Cleveland will get the opportunity against Trek
Scooble right. I do feel confident Detroit will have those
chances at some point against Williams. That'll take us to

(42:24):
Boston and you're another divisional matchup the Yankees will win
if Jeffrey I'll start with.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
You, Aaron Judges does not turn every Yankees fan into
your own from Manhattan. How many tweets I get sent
from people complaining about Aaron Judges' playoff performance? Is the
bell weather for this series? I feel like it's not
like a super deep lineup at the moment, Like I

(42:54):
think it's fine, it's fine, but like, isn't it isn't?

Speaker 1 (42:57):
I mean, so look if you if you look at it,
are you say at the moment? But like, what's what's wrong?
At at the moment? They they they were the number
one d r C plus team in baseball.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
It's like it's like Jose Capillero and Ryan McMahon and
Austin Well.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Well, they're doing a lot of platoon Well they are,
sure Ben Ben Rice has allowed them. Look his ability
to to to squad play, Yeah, uh has allowed them
to platoon gold, Schmith and Wells in a pretty effective way.
And Jazz had a really nice year. I don't think
that I think this is a pretty good line up.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
It's pretty good, but I think they're they're not as
well set against lefties. Sure, like you know, it doesn't
look as great when Goldman's in there. No offense to
gold who's had a perfectly fine year in the sense
that this is what you would hope for thirty seven,
but like they're gonna have a hard time against Crochet.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Everyone does.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Sure, yeah, everyone does, but they're particularly poorly suited to
match it.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, and and well, I think Epstein noted this in
the in our preview, but is struck him out ten
out of thirteen times struck Judge out, I'm sorry, ten
out of thirteen times. Two of the other times were
home runs. So it's like, which are you getting right,
because that's gonna matter a lot.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
And for me to build off of. Jeff, Like, one
of the reasons why everyone gets so upset about Judge's
playoff performance is because they desperately need it because no
one else is hitting right. And this year, I think
they are better equipped to if Judge goes over for
they don't score one run necessarily, whereas I, yeah, like
last year that was pretty much guaranteed.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
I think a lot of what we're talking about about
boils down to and this is not what I said,
but boils down to John Carlow Stampon, right, He's the
other right hander in this lineup that you feel remotely
good about because you know, the guys who have helped
this team alongside Judge become the number one d RC

(44:55):
plus team are Stanton. But then after that it is
Bell and who's lefty, Grisham who's lefty, Jazz who's lefty,
right Wells and rights who are lefty. So to your
point about left handers, I think this comes down to,
you know, do you get the strikeouts or do you
get a home run at a jog Off Korchet and

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then what do you get out of John Carlos Stanton
this game? But I think the other you know what
I said, for the Yankees will win if good Carlos
Rodin shows up. And I think the big advantage the
Yankees have in this series is Carlos Rodon in Game
two against whoever the Red Sox star. I don't know

(45:36):
if they've set there, whether it's Gilito or Bo, it
doesn't matter. The good version of Carlos Rodin blows those
guys out of the water, and then you get all
those lefties in the mix against either of those two
guys in terms of the lineup, and I think that's
interest so I think it really Game two is gonna
be like, if they can squeak out Game one, they're

(45:57):
massively favored. You know, I do think you can derisively
talk about like Will Warren and Cam Schlitzler in game three,
but that's this is not much of a difference between
those guys.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
I mean Schuler, I mean they should start Schlitzler over
war you know, well, I seem just pitch also potentially,
but like, yeah, Schlitzler versus BeO is probably not a
big gap.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
And that's my That's goes in what I said for
the Red Sox winning is they need to get Yeah,
they need to get another good sound like, look, Giliito
and May are very capable of having good starts, but
they need to get one of them to get another
other start because even if they win, and look, the
Freedom rode on neutralizes some of the Boston lefties. So

(46:44):
I still think, Man, I haven't looked at the betting
lines or anything, and Crochet does give up Homers now
and again, but I would think that it's pretty I'd
be pretty close to it, pick them even in Yankee
Stadium for for game one. But yeah, Boston, even if
Austin can sneak that. And I think that Ken, I
think these teams are actually pretty evenly matched. They got

(47:08):
to find another starting pitching performance in there. Yeah, you know,
if if it were me, they're not going to do it.
I would start Connelly early in one of these games.
I think you'll see a lot of them, but I would.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah, again, they're not going to do it.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
He's thrown. This isn't like a Nolan McLain situation where
they don't have like they have two. I mean, Gilido's
a veteran bo isn't really but he's an established starter
having a season with an era that starts with a three.
You're going to pitch him over the guy with twenty
major beginnings.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, and I know Peyton Tolly had the rough Yeah,
they you know, ultimately seven games in sixteen innings. But yeah,
I would really be tempted to put a lefty in
there because of what we're talking about. I agree with
you on that, And I don't know, I'm sure that's

(48:02):
a tougher clubhouse thing to navigate and beyo, are are
you just have.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Committed to having a quick cook with them in the playoffs,
which should anyway, frankly.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
So yeah, yeah, that's true. Patrick, You and I have
similar kind of things, just different guys, different guys. But no, yeah,
so okay, I'm start I have the socks well, and
if Alex Bregman goes off right this lineup is again
we talked about, Saidan Rafaela when they were on their

(48:37):
their ten game win streak.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
He was hitting.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
He's not really hitting right now. This lineup has a
bunch of average guys. Will your brave again a big
part of this lineup, and obviously I'm a believer in him,
but you're gonna face two lefties right off the bat.
He's not gonna play, so it has to be someone
right handed that does the damage. And I just think,
I said, if Alex Bregman goes off, he has the

(49:00):
ability to take over a series, right he can do that?
Will he? I don't know, but I think for them
to win, he's gonna have to do it or commonly close.
You went with a different name, but it's the same idea.
It's a right hand to come out.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Yeah, and this this time of year, I kind of
hate because I've heard enough time managing nine people's you
know abilities in my head, and now you got to
do twelve because suddenly all and and the Red Song
and we just talked about the Yankees with with gold Schmidt,
like for the Red Sox, it's equally true and yet
more important because you're instead of instead of talking about

(49:35):
your gold mits, uh and you know, and say who
else is some of the Yankees that they swap in? Yeah, well,
instead of that, instead of talking about guys who are
like good hitters, it's more like, you know, uh, we're
talking about Nate Eaton and Nick so Gard.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
And and my pad, Nathaniel.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Lowe, Nathaniel Lowe, Rob Refsnyder who is came having a
week but like this is.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
He does hit left handed, pitching right left, and he's.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Going to absolutely need to because it's they're going to
face a ton of it.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
The Yankees version of this is is honestly on Ed
Razzario right or as chic No, but is you know
I'm saying that's the ref Snider. Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
To start, I've watched swinging against breaking balls outside the
own enough to feel like Geric krushe might be a
bad man hanging for him, but.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
My team is deadline acquisitioned him twice. I understand. I
watched it a lot too. Yeah, okay, so that's our way.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
By the way, Rob ref Schneider against lefties this year
three O two, three ninety nine, five sixty, it's better
than he's just your Don Alvarez against he is basically yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
And I also love how much Patrick loves Roberts. I'm
so glad you got to pick him for this.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Should he should? Honestly, he should hit clean up? Just
hit him clean up.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Well, they have been, really I do.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
I do? I want to ask, do we want the
way that we do will win if we tend to
focus maybe on some margins or specific advantages. So do
we want to talk about any of the obvious parts
of these Garrett Crochet? Basically we did. We didn't talk
that much about Garrett Crochet in the series.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
They should chrif Snyder's hit clean up fifteen times this season?

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Sure, just to let you know, we also, I should
not you should do the Pakoda projections for the serious mowork.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Oh yeah, we have those.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yeah, I know we have those. I just forgot to
put them in there.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Should probably share them on the box.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Yes, okay, we can. So let's well we've been we're
on the Red Sox and Yankees. Well, we'll just hit
that really quickly. If this is Patrick is gonna he's
literally scratching his head right now. Guys, the Yankees are
favorite seventy two and a half percent.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Wild Like usually it's like, I don't think any team
in a three game series should be favored.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Yeah, okay, yeah, but I agree with you, Jeff, Actually
I agree. I was. I was a little surprised.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
I also, I think it's just it's it's the d
r C plus, which has its flaws, right, and you
take a season long figure and apply it to a
short series and whatever.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
And it it knows that Garrett Crochet is pitching, and
and we adjust the lineup for who's in it. But
it is what it is. Aaron Judge counts for a lot,
as it turns out. And I also think it's Carlos
rod in that second game is a big factor of it.
So the Guardians, uh you, the Guardians and Tigers are

(52:47):
the Guardians are favored in a question.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Home field don't.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
And that's that's gonna come down to home field this one.
The home field is what any point swing right the
way that the way that we factor it, which it
might be fair, might not be, but that's how it is.
If this were Detroit, they'd probably be favored by a
couple percentage points. Uh.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
The Yankees are favored in literally every game, even th
when the Garrett Crochet starts, whereas the Detroit Cleveland series
is uh, this is more even more. Hew, you'd expect
the Detroit's favorite of wing game one in Cleveland's favorite
win the other two.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
So yeah, I do I struggle with them being favored
against Garrett for all the research we talked about, but
it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
So before we move on, Okay, the last thing we
should probably do, because I think we do this every
other time as well, what do you what's your.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Predictions?

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Right?

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Yeah, because it's a podcast podcast.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
It was guys. Yeah, I have to apologize to the listeners.
I'm I'm on four hours of sleep. It was a
long and I've been sick, so it's a long We
apologize for this. But yeah, let's do our projection, our predictions.
I can go first. I'll give you guys a little
bit of time. I will start with the Guardians. Since
we just talked about that being the Guardians Tigers series,

(54:05):
that'd being a coin flip. I'm gonna take the Tigers,
and you know what, I'm gonna take the Tigers in two.
I don't think it's dominant. I think this is a
coin flip series. I think that's fine. But you got
Trek Scooble in game one, and I just I think
body's been hittable. It wouldn't shock and no result here

(54:26):
shocks me. But that's what I'm going.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Okay, I'll take the I'll take the Tigers and three.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Tres in three.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Yeah, yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I just don't think those corn of runs. Like, I
know their bullpen hasn't been good, but like the bullpen
hasn't been good, but it's games.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
I look at that bullpen, I'm like, yeah, most of
these guys are fine with honestly, Like, yes, they had
a bad month, but that's what bullpens do. Suh.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
As far as Boston and New York, Boston and New York, uh,
I'm gonna say New York in three.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Okay, I'm gonna say I think I think gets a game.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I think Krisha gets a game, and then it's New York.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
I'm gonna say Boston in three. I have a weird
feeling about this series, sure you.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
And Patrick, Yeah, I'm going to Yankee sweep. I think
the offense is just too good. I think. I also,
you know, there's if they if they aren't ahead, like
if you if they don't get to Chapman. I think
the rest of the Reds bullpen, you know, it's not bad.
But I think the Yankees offense is just so good
that Yeah, I don't think it's I don't think it's
gonna be very easy for Boston to bridge started to

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close her without giving up a few runs.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
All right, well that will actually do it? Or our
al Wild's Card preview, Why don't we take a break.
Let's take a break and we'll come back with the
preview and the rest of the show. HM. Welcome back

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to episode four hundred and ninety five of five and five.
We are on our third segment. It's the n A
Wild Card series preview. We are on Cincinnati and Los Angeles.
The Reds did it as much reversing into a playoff
spots as a team could possibly do, except for maybe

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the Tigers.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
The Brewers did not care about that game at.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
All, except for maybe the Tigers, who really got just
an incredible bit of help from the Astros before really
crashing out. But we'll go with our format here. The
Reds will win if Patrick, you, you and Jeff had
basically the same thing, and so I'll let you guys

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speak to that.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yeah, I mean, the only the only place where the
Reds have even like not not the advantage, but like
the only place where you can see enough.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Argue.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Hunter Green is the best picture in this series, starting
picture in this series, but it's also not It's closer
than most Hunter Green starts would be.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
So yeah, I mean, you look at the pitching, and
I've seen a lot of people say, and I agree,
like you you don't, you don't really as far as
six seeds that backs into the playoff spot and whatever
to have to face Hunter Green, Nick Lidolo and Andrew
Abbott is pretty rough if you're the three seed, if

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you're the Dodgers here that being said, as much as
being made about those three names, like you look at
our our chart on our review and Blake Snell, Yoshinobi
Young and Moto excuse me and Shootanu have an advantage
in D minus in every single matchup.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Isn't actually love them especially not Aboit.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Especially not Abbot, and that's fine. Like I I whatever
I think, but I think you can. I think on
any numbers you can look at Shohotani and prefer him
to Interet right, no matter which ones you use.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I also think like throwing two lefties here against Pahes
and Taoscar and Betts and had been getting a bat
from the right side does make a.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Definitely think it does.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
But you also to whatever extent you can neutralize Freeman
and Munsi and uh and right. I think Lodolo, especially.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Sunday for some reason, and has had some arm issues recently, So.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Yeah, yeah, you certainly know or no with him. I
think the interesting and look, some of this comes down
to park But like you look at the home run
percentage for for all of these guys, and it's three
point six for Green, three point four percent for Lodolo
and j just shy of three for Abbot, and Snell
is at one point too, Yamamoto is at two and

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Otani's at one point six, And that's that's gonna be
a big thing with the lineups these two teams are
facing too, right, is that you would expect obviously.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
They're gonna have that they're gonna have three two games
if they're gonna win.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
And yeah, and can this lineup score three run against
these pitchers?

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Right?

Speaker 1 (59:37):
This is by by d r C plus. Uh. The
Red's lineup is ninety one. That's twenty ninth in the league.
We know who's thirtieth. It's the Rockies. We did that.
But they are also against lefties. They're twenty fifth in
the league against righty's their twenty ninth. There's no split
where they look okay.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
In this strutch where they actually, like you know, did
pretty well against the Brewers and the Cubs, like they
were winning a lot of like three one games yep.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
And to the other end of that is they have
used as bullpen so heavily in the last two weeks,
Like I don't know what Tony santon On and Graham
Ashcraft have left at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Yeah, yeah, and they have.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
They have Chase Burns they can use out of the pen,
and this uh reason they have Nick Martinez and Martine
has been used heavily too, But I don't know they
have left in the tank.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
To just to say something other than the starters for
my the Reds will win if I said if the
Dodgers bullpen does what it's been doing, right, I mean,
this is this is I said this about the Tiger's
bullpen and the Guardians lineup. There's a version of that here, right,
the Dodgers bullpen versus the Reds lineup, which which ones
incompetencies will win out? And and look I can see that.

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We know Ellie de la Cruz can hit, right, Ellie
Dee Lacruz can take over a series if he you know,
if it happens, that's not unheard of. Noel Vie Marte
can hit. There are some hitters in this lineup, and
this bullpen has been pretty bad, and it wouldn't shock
me if if that happens. But things really favor Ls here.

(01:01:14):
And even in the Red's strength, the Dodgers are I think,
just as good, if not better, in terms of those starters.
So that takes us to the Dodgers will win if
I think, you know, look we can't I said if
the bats show up at all. Again, this is if
if the Dodgers' strength can match the red strength in

(01:01:36):
terms of their their lineup versus the Reds pitching, I
think it's pretty much over. I don't know if that
will happen. But I think that's the case. Jeff. You
took the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Line right, like, I think they're gonna have you. And
then they're showing they haven't been final, like they're gonna
have some four to one leads to protect. If they
can just do that, which they haven't been able to
do I have, they'll be fine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
And and Patrick, your your answer here is is the pithy.
I mean, it sums up what we're saying here, but
go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Yeah, it's just literally any other sequence events happens. They
just basically can't go zero for zero for X and
runner since scoringiation right, and even then they might still
win because they could just hit four. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
this is this is the one that's just a mismatch.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Yeah. And so speaking of your your seventy two, I know, Jeff,
you have not seen the productions. Would you like to
guess what this one is?

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
I guess they're higher than seventy two from the way
you've yes push pulled me here, Yeah, seventy eight.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Eighty mean look sure, right, No, it's like both I
said this to Patrick and Hinney in the chat yesterday,
and I was like, boy, that feels really high for
any three game series. But at the same time, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Which it's one.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Of those things where it's like, yeah, what it feels
like it's the odds are high for to for the
Dodgers to win eighty percent of the time, and I'm like,
what are the odds that the Reds could be win
two out of three? It's the same question, But then
suddenly it because a lot easier going.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
It starts making all when you put it like that,
which takes us to our predictions. We all said Dodgers
in two, can't even give them a Hunter green game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I mean they might open like I'm not gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
We're not gonna sure anything else on this series before
we go to Chicago and the patres all right, San
Diego will be visiting Chicago. The Cubs will win if
I can start us off here, I said they're starting
pitching shows up. It hasn't a ton of late.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
I mean this has a fractured rib.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Yeah, that's tough. Uh showed it Inmanaga. As you know,
the home run bugaboo is substantial and uh, Matt Boyd
a tremendous signing, really really good first half of the
season has has come back to earth here a bit
in the second half. Again, like, if these guys can

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can show up at all five to six innings, I
think this lineup can hit Padres pitching. I don't know
if they will, but I think they can. But I
know if the pitching doesn't show up, it's I don't.

(01:04:28):
I don't know if this lineup can can win like
seven to five games repeatedly. Right, it's not that they
can't score seven runs or whatever, but I don't. I
think that's a lot to ask repeatedly. I think that
the Padres have a pitching advantage. So if these Cubs
starters can show up, that's that's the best path to

(01:04:49):
a win to me for for this team.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Jeffrey so I said that this is this isn't a
bad lineup, but it's got a lot of like okay hitters.
They need a couple of them to be better than that.
This week. I feel like you need, you know, Dansby, Swanson,
Nico Horner, just by a Steros to like hit like

(01:05:13):
I think you'll get what you get Corombush and Suzuki.
I guess pc Hay falls into this category too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
I mean he is the kind of X factor thing
if we.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Were doing but he's going to be like he can
get to like a p against this bullpen as a
Padre bullpen is a possibly going to be in jail.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Yeah, I agree. But it's also like it's a little
bit like the the I don't know, I didn't do
strap but like the strap cards, right, like which one
which one do you do you roll the picture card
or do you roll the hit or card? Because like
he can hit a home run?

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Yeah, who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
It could be a little bit like the uh, the
Judge Crochet thing where it's like ten strikeouts but two homers.
You know, if you get the home run, that's all
that matters something.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
And like they did just like sequencing purposes right because
they have some good hitters, but the bottom of that
lineup you can you can pitch to it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Yeah yeah, I I yeah. The Cubs are what they're
They're a hard team to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
They're so bland like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially with Horton nowt it's I think, uh,
like there we talk about about basically how home runs
are more reliable in the playoffs because you don't need
to strink three singles because it's hard to hit three
singles against you know, postseason pitching, there's kind of the
in between, which is the single in the double. And
I feel like the Cubs have that kind of offense.

(01:06:41):
Like basically, I think if they the Patters are a
good team, it's striking batters out and the pottery. The
clubs are pretty good at not striking out in general. Uh,
it's gonna be even more so with the bullpen. I think,
you know, once you get to the bullpen, it gets
very hard to get those three hits in a row
against the potteris can can they if they can avoid

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striking out too much and like just getting letting Babbitt
do some of the work so they can have a
guy on first sometimes, I think that's gonna be big
for them.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Yep, I think that makes sense. So that takes us
to the Padres. Uh, the Padres will win. F I
said they can get the leads to the bullpen, that's obvious,
but like they really just have to get to like
the sixth with a lead, and I think they'll feel
pretty good because the bullpen, as we know, is very loaded.

(01:07:33):
The question to me is whether they're gonna hit enough
to get those leads right to those guys, can you
and and look, I know he's been really good this season,
but like Nick Povetta, is your game one start? There is? Yeah,
you know, I don't know if they know what they're
gonna get out of Michael kan at this point. You know,
if we get to a game through or Dylan cees,
I don't know if you're gonna get Dylan ce start

(01:07:54):
to start. So the question is can you get the
lead into the sixth inning? And I think if you do,
you feel great if you're standing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Here, and mine's basically tidy worse because yeah, it's the
same thing. Basically the weak point of Chicago's team right
now is the starting pitching, and h in Minauga is
starting to give up home runs like we thought he
would back the beginning of twenty twenty four. Boys obviously
like throwing more innings than like he could possibly dream
of last year. You know, your third Janison time is

(01:08:23):
certainly a picture.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Yeah, I mean it's Horton definitely out what that is. Yeah,
I'm just making sure sometimes I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Colin Ray that's a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
That's also to this they because he is their best picture.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Yeah. Yeah, so I think that there is the window
there for them to get that lead. Now, yes, the
Pottery's pitchers have to actually like not just give it
right back than the other half of the inning. But
I think that's where the Pottery's have their shot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Yeah, yeah, I think you know, the other part of
this is as good as there's bullpen is and and
I think our season long numbers understate it because you know,
Mason Miller wasn't there the whole season, but the Cubs
bullpen had a ninety four dry minus, you know for
their relievers.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
I mean the Bryan Presley got a lot of attention.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yeah yeah, and and look he's not here. You know,
Palencia has been really really good, uh for the majority
of the season. I don't know, to your point, I
think it comes down to the starters. I think the
funny part about it is, and again this is one
of those things where the seasonal rankings don't take into
account the current iteration of these kid Horton's not here,

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et cetera. But both of these teams dry minuses for
starters were one oh five. Yeah, it's below average starters overall.
But again, the Padres don't have to They're not gonna
they obviously traded away a couple guys to the Royals
at the deadline, like they get to lop all that off,
and and Chicago like does but also doesn't because the

(01:10:03):
front three for San Diego are just significantly better than
you know, we don't have to see Randy Vasquez basically
or Stephen Kolek and those guys. So that'll bring us
to the odds. Jeff, do you want to guess this
one or it's not. It's not. The Padres are actually

(01:10:24):
favored fifty point four, and I get Look, the Cubs
not being favored, I think comes down to, as we mentioned,
we don't have Kate Horton in these projections, and also
that drops them significantly, and then they get a little
bit of benefit from the home field advantage on that
which takes us to predictions. I honestly don't know time.

(01:10:49):
This is such a toss up to me. Let's say
the three games, someone in three. Yeah, I'll go Cubs,
But I don't feel terrible. I don't feel great about it.
I think if Loriieana where Lorenna were in the lineup
by the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Date of.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Like, I want to pick the Padres and three I
think they'll just hit enough home runs too. I'm just
man Mike Schult in a three game playoff series. Yeah,
I'm gonna stay with Padres and three because I think
the pen is good enough, but I don't feel great
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
I'm I'm also taking the Padres in three. Yeah, to
your point, you mentioned the home runs. Brian Grasnik wrote
or preview and noted this they they were third worst
in the majors and home.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Not a great park, right, like like again, well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
They'll be in yeah, perhaps better. You never you never
know which one of the winds blowing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
But cold windy night. Yeah, I guess these aren't going
to be at night because it's Padres against Cups.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Do you do have me faltering, Jeff because of the
mic Shechell thing like they are going to sacrifice spun
so much?

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Yeah, they are. Like Council doesn't have a great and
to work with. I mean plenty it is back. He's
coming off an injury, which would worry me, but yeah,
I mean, councils just you know, he's got a lot
of reps in this situation. Like I don't think he
did it notably good or bad job this year? Right,
the Cups just kind of are what they are.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
But you said the bullpen's not deep, but like Brad
Keller had a two point oh seven yard bar at
age thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Yeah, wait six' four, yeah confident.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Forty nine and two Thirds indians of two point one
seven Rball.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Yeah four strikeouts per walk.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
ALMOST i just wonder, like how like maybe she'll we'll
get to the bullpen quickly When Michael king starts, Right
LIKE i. Don't that would just be the one thing
that worries me a little. Bit BUT i think the
Pot rays are better suited for playoff, baseball even in Even.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
It's the REASON i picked them is the starting pitcher. Advantage,
yeah but the sult council has me. UNEASY i gotta tell,
you it really. Does All, right that wraps up our
Our wildcard. Preview we'll go to our fourth, Segment Silver Linings. Scorebook,

(01:13:17):
PATRICK i believe this is Your, yeah thank?

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
You how can you say?

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
This?

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Yeah so, YEAH i was just thinking about this BECAUSE
i was starting around the horn AND, i, oh there's
nothing for an around the. Horn SO i was just,
like what we've been there's There's we started off the
podcast with some, negativity. Right we talked about a lot of,
disappointments a lot of a lot of teams falling. Short.
Uh SO i was, like what what are some like
under the radar like causes for, Optimism like are there

(01:13:45):
any teams or any any storylines that, like even though
it didn't end well because we're going to talk about
playoff teams for the next, month is there is there
something from the season that we can, go, well you know,
this this might not be bad going in next. Year
SO i asked us each to take a team and
talk about why you might be feeling better about them

(01:14:05):
than you thought you. MIGHT i, Went i'll go, first
SINCE i picked the. TOPIC i went with The Kansas City,
royals AND i this is not based on their. Farm
this is not based on like their general direction. Necessarily
it's more just like it would have been so easy
for The royals who were like one hundred lost team

(01:14:26):
and who were projected to be one hundred lost team
last year and like came out of nowhere and had
that great, Season like they could have just, disappeared. Right
this happened so many times AND i don't, KNOW i
DON'T i imagine Most royal fans weren't thrilled by an
eighty two in. Year they were certainly in it for
most of the. Year but man like just showing back

(01:14:47):
up the second season and having being pertinent still and
being a decent club and that pinching, staff, like, yes
they're gonna have to make some you, know, changes but
it's it's a good bitching, staff Cool. Ringgan you, know
they're gonna Have boobitch And gregan's And cameron AND i
Think waka is still go around one more, year.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
That's a good. Core, now the other half of it
is that the offense can't possibly be this bad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Again, well there's always More Adam frasier's out.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
There there were, again they didn't do it. Again but
Like Michael garcia, was you, know had basically, Forward, yeah
a big step. Forward pascentino started off slow but turned
out to be pretty, well pretty. Good it's just like
That kagleon will hit at some, point, right like the

(01:15:43):
just hit, LIKE i mean like hit like. Once like
he will at one point get a, hit which he
did not do this. Year tragic that he went over
two hundred and thirty, two but you, know that's that's what.
Happens it's. BASEBALL i just THINK i feel like one
of these years they're gonna, look they're gonna Have.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
They're gonna get the Good Adam frazier.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
Season they didn't get the good.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Animal they're to you what The Blue jays are to.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Me, YEAH i think. SO i don't think, quite not
quite on the same, scale BUT i think that they
could have a league average offense at some, point just
by accident and with that pitching. Staff the league average
offense is probably eighty five ory six, wins, right but
mostly just, Like i'm just glad they're around. STILL i

(01:16:32):
was tired of The royals being a, joke and they're
not a joke. Anymore and good good for.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
That, yeah AND i look, like you, Know bobby What
junior had another really nice.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Season, yeah it didn't hit as many home, runs which
that park is GONNA i think very but overall, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Yeah so this was the SECONDMENT i said, before, like
how do we want to find this? Right and and
so If i'm strictly looking at the twenty twenty five
season and what might feel good and maybe siphoning in
a little bit of the future in twenty twenty, SIX

(01:17:09):
i said The marlins question, MARK i, look we talked
about we thought This marlins team might be the worst in, baseball,
yeah ahead of the, season and they they finished extremely
not the worst in, baseball, Yep right like, this they
walk out of this season With sandy El kantra looking, better,

(01:17:33):
right he found his form towards the end of the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Season is he going to be on the Six?

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
MARLINS i don't, know but they could get something for
him that early this season didn't seem necessarily, possible and
he pitched a, lot, Right so, like if you're acquiring,
him you can head into next year with you, know, thinking,
okay he at least has some innings to build off.
Of Yuri perez looked really, Good Edward cabrera took a

(01:18:03):
significant step forward after. That it's it's, harder, Right, LIKE
i don't think you can count On Kyle stowers to
junk this kind of. Thing BUT i guess the other
part of The marlin stuff That i'm looking at is
And i'm not SAYING i buy all of, this BUT
i think if you want to feel, good silver, linings,

(01:18:26):
right if that's what you're you're. Chasing After Jacob marcy
came up and hit, Again i'm not buying, this but,
okay but He, okay you, Know Augustine ramirez had some.
FLASHES i know he ended the season below a league average,
ops but he had some seven hundred ops as a.

(01:18:48):
Catcher it's not the worst. Thing, okay he caught, poorly
but he. Caught jeff did a air. Quotes there were
a number of guys in the mind who took steps
for or recovered, Right marcy being one of, Them, Snelling
Robbie snelling being. ANOTHER u there were just in, general

(01:19:13):
there was a lot more positivity around the, guys and
it was was maser. Better i'm trying to remember.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
A little a little. Bit, okay so they're, frisky, right
but man that it's a lot of like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
You can also put to Like Max smeyer went way, Back, yes,
right like they're. There i'm not saying it's, all But
i'm trying to figure out teams that didn't make the
playoffs that have something to feel good. About, WELL i
don't know who do you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
LIKE i just don't know what that team's gonna look
like next.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Year, no me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Neither but you have to feel better right. NOW i
think you have to feel better about the way things
went Under Peter bendix than the significant number of years. Prior,
right if you're hanging on to these, things.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
They made the playoffs twice in significant years. Prior BUT i,
KNOW i, KNOW i know what don't feel?

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Real but like, YEAH i also and, look they were
outscored by almost ninety runs this. Year i'm not saying
it was a good, season BUT i honestly a lot
of this in my head is just, like, MAN i
never Thought Edward cabrera was gonna put it, together and
he did for like a full. SEASON i don't know

(01:20:24):
that's something to hang my hat. ON I, like, AGAIN
i looked At Saint, louis but, like do you really
is there silver lining THAT i don't?

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Know i'm in backed up the same, problem, Right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
LIKE i thought about The diamondbacks. TOO i don't know is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Free agents now and, YEAH i don't know they might
trade Kateel, Marte like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Right, yeah it just, felt uh it felt weird to. Me,
YEAH i thought about The diamonds. Too but, Anyway, jeff
who'd you go?

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
With like this is hard because like all the there's
twelve playoff, teams so like all the teams that don't
make the, playoffs, yeah probably had something and it's it's
hard to find and teams on the rise either like
The White sox were what twenty games better this year
than last, year but also like and they're gonna be.

(01:21:08):
Good SO i ended up going with The. Athletics, LIKE
i think you can look at The athletics getting what
they got out Of Nick kurtz And Jacob wilson this,
year AND i don't Think heurts is gonna be this
good going. Forward there's contact issues, there but he might
be a high eight hundreds ops guy instead of one

(01:21:29):
thousand ops. Guy that's quite. Good you, know you combine
them With brooker And Soda. Stroman Shaye langeleiers looks like
a Decent major leaguer, now like he's actually improved defensively
behind the plate some, Too and you can kind of like, say, like,
okay it's THE Ao. West it's a weird. Ballpark they

(01:21:51):
might be a little frisky next. Year the problem, IS
i don't know where the fuck the pitching's coming. From
Like Luis morales was all right down the stretch and
you'll put him in the, rotation BUT i don't really
know if he's a starter long. Term the rest of
their rotation was not. Good they Traded Mason miller Is

(01:22:12):
Sean newcom'm going to do this again as a sub TWO.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
E R A y let us do.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
IT i Know i'm. Done, yes the answer is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Yes he's Great Sean Newk i'm going to close for
the next. Year, Seana i'm going to start for them next.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Year he maybe started for him this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Year, uh but, YEAH i can see like a frisky.
Team and you, know they better get used to that.
STADIUM i don't know if they're going to build that
one In.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Vegas, boy just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Know there's a huge he just announced a huge hotel
and dining complex around the. STADIUM i don't know if
you know. This no one's going To vegas. Anymore and
they won't say how much the project is costing or
where the financing coming.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
From also in the news is that The athletics announced
that they are going to Wear sacramento weretive for the
Old journeys. Jerseys but someone makes me more upset than.
That they didn't do it at.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
All it's like a a but it's not a city Connect.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
No it's it's almost.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Connect it's it's BUT i guess something like what happened touching.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
This or they sold Some sacramento merchant like not like,
jerseys but Like sacramento AGE t shirts or, whatever and
they sold enough of them they, realized, oh we should
just sell jerseys for the people that go to our.
Games sacramento might want to buy A sacramento.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
People there's a.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Bond wasn't there an article just recently about how like
they've just completely screwed Over. Sacramento, yes, yeah also like just,
yeah they they like they they're not selling seats, basically
like you can buy The burm seats and they will
just usher you into like the lower bowl because they

(01:23:59):
wanted a look more crowded ON. Tv and what boy
that that is just a. Guy, YEAH i don't it's
really you're not wrong on the hitting and the silver
lining is, there but it's hard.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
To the vibes are. Terrible i'm just saying, that, like, yeah,
no you're. Right there seems to be some like organizational.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Steps so, YEAH i also think even if you go
to the, pitch you, know gauge.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Jump, yeah that's why he might be up at some
point next year. Too, YEAH i mean he's still a,
pitcher so.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
The right it'll be bad In. SACRAMENTO i, understand But
i'm just gonna you, know all, right that takes us.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
To our, game that takes us our. Game we're going
to do leader wards SORTS i have. Given i'm going
to give you each five categories and there are that
you're gonna have to try and name the the top
five players in each. Category you get five points for
the number, one one point for the number.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Five. YEAH i really hate, This, PATRICK i, know it
just is a process showing my ass over and over over. Again.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
Yeah uh, yeah that's. Great uh these ARE i would,
say not obscure. Categories that's.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Worse, honestly, Ability.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
I'm fully aware it's. WORSE i just wanted to, Say,
okay all, Right, jeff you're, First, craig go ahead and
take your haphones, off all, Right first, Category, jeff rookie home.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Runs how many guesses DO i?

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
Get you have five? Guesses five?

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Guesses, okay five, names five? Names, okay rookie home, Runs Drake,
Baldwin Isaac. Collins that's where the rookies this. YEAR i

(01:25:47):
should know who the rookies were this year BECAUSE i
rank all the guys that are going to be rookies
the year, before so you would think this would a
little quicker than it. IS i Guess Sin RAMIREZ i
wasn't rookie, Eligible Carson williams didn't play enof mm, Hmm

(01:26:08):
Roman Anthony, yankees those guys technically rookie, Eligible rice. Wasn't
should probably just and another. Rookie it's Uh Kyle.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
Teel, Okay uh rookie picture, strikeouts.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Rookie picture strikeouts at hest some sing a. Theme, uh
let's go with pictures that were up. Long jacob Is
zerowski h Want hirston waldrip.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Mm.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Hmmm uh.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
REALIZED i should have Put James wood for rookie home runs,
now but UH i. Won't just would that be.

Speaker 6 (01:27:17):
Mm.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
HMMM i THINK i Think Chace burns probably pitched En.
OFF i Think nolan McClain probably pitched. Enough that's, three,
Uh Louise morales probably. Missing So i'm missing something like
random rookie that pitched way too much this year That
i'm not even thinking about for.

Speaker 7 (01:27:37):
This Kate horton, okay uh r B i overall our, rookies,
overall we're done with the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
ROOKIES i greatly Schreber Alonso judge, rally so don't got
over one, hundred but that's good enough for top. Five

(01:28:14):
it's gonna be at least one weird, one right that,
diverse let's say.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Diverse, okay strikeouts per nine fifty plus.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Innings, okay so that includes your relievers if they, pitched
Uh Mason, Miller Edwin. DIAZ i don't want to guess any.
STARTERS i, yes you will, Guess Missy rassie it's per.

(01:29:02):
Nine there's gonna be some annoying the laver THAT i
don't guess You're. Plentia and Then i'll just Say Garat,
crochet why?

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Not? Okay and finally Wins.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Christ, pitt your Winds lord.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Mm, Hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Max, Freed Trek, Scooble Brian Wu picture wins they got,

(01:29:56):
Hurt Logan, WEB i don't think you won that many.
Games What i'm gonna, Say Logan Web, Yamamoto.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
Okay all, right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Have fun with this, One.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
CRAIG i won't welcome Back. Greg all, right so you have.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
Had smiling in such a shitty. Way this is every.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Time every time we get to this, Part i'm, like,
Man i'm so GLAD i have to play the.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Games, Okay so So i'm sorry you're gonna tell me
How jeff.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Did thirty three? Points remember you get? Fine basically he averaged,
uh there's fifteen possible points around and he averaged six point.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Six, Okay i'm gonna tell. You i'm gonna make a.
Prediction since we've been making. Predictions, Yeah i'm gonna. Take
i'm gonna Guess i'm gonna end up on eighteen.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Points eighteen, points all, Right well that's my that's my
outlook for. ME i will TAKE i will take the
over on that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Crag all.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Right first, category rookie home.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Runs that's not a sucking, anything that's not and that's
rookie Home Nick.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
KURTZ i didn't even Get.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
KURTS i talked about five.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
Points that's the first. ONE i don't even know who
the rookies, Are Patrick, Uh, OKAY.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
I should know who the rookies, are AS i, Said
AND i didn't Get Nick.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Cush you. SHOULD I i should. Too but it's been
a weird rookie LIKE i don't. REMEMBER i really am
struggling to remember rookie. Options this is just, honestly the
GUYS i remember at this, Point Drake, baldwin, okay AND
i picked. Three you're, saying, Right Jesus, Craig, OKAY i apologize.

(01:31:56):
EVERYONE i really like five rookies who hit home. Runs,
boy hold, On i'm look at the standings here just
to remember WHO.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
I probably should have done. That who was just going
through teams in my? HEAD i never hit The athletics. Son,
yeah and like it stopped.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
BECAUSE i just talked about right before roman.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
Anthe was like all on. Base uh oh, No jesus
who had rookie? Hitters, patrick who had rookie?

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Hitters rowing?

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
GRADE i really.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
This is this is, Ridiculous, okay uh, now and And
i'm shaming myself. Here oh you know, what didn't even
hit a lot of home, Runs Isaac. Collins whatever they're doing,
it we're. Naming we're naming. Rookies none of The cubs
rookies played. Enough oh you know, what, Fine Matt, Shaw,

(01:33:01):
okay what AM i? On four three? Four?

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Four?

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:33:07):
Cardinals Uh, NO i.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
DON'T i don't, KNOW i, honest LIKE i. DON'T i
don't Even, UH i don't even have a fifth. Whatever Caleb,
DURBAN i don't.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Care all, Right uh you're gonna hear this some more
rookie pitching Strikeouts Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Christ just, volume just, number.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Just number of. Strikeouts you're up seven to six right,
now by the, way.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Great well that's, All Nick. KURTZ i got one one
other guy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
And jeff did so.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
Rookie, Strikeouts. Jesus all the Guys i'm thinking of were
called up in the second half.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
Did.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
Happen so it's LIKE I i don't remember who was
just like a rookie in the? Rotation uh, WHAT i? Fine,
Whatever nolan MCLAN i don't. Know, Yeah Jacob mazerowski not,

(01:34:29):
bad but that is, good and, uh you know what
we have to. Do, Five i'll Do Chase. Burns he
didn't pitch very, much but he struck out a lot of.
Guys this is gone and this is. Miserable uh, no,

(01:34:53):
YEAH i don't think he pitched. ENOUGH i just think
he make abel or, something you know, what just on pure. Volume, Noah, cameron.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
JUST i REALIZED i. FORGOT i know he didn't strike
out a lot of, guys, Though but.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
CAN i CAN i ask If Joey cantillo is rookie.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
ELIGIBLE i don't even know. That AND i wrote The
guardians Of this last. YEAR i don't think he.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
Is let's See, Uh cantino pitched thirty eight point two
innings in twenty twenty. Four SO i don't Think.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
I'll just say he's just. Eligible i'll just say him so, what?

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Okay all?

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
Right after two rounds it's seven to, six not neither
a single.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
ONE i didn't do well on that, either, because, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
You, guys because it's just gonna be some.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Good it's gonna be Some there's Some nats guy that
they called Like Brad, Lord Brad. Lord It's Brad lord on.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
It we we talked about multiple of the rookie home
run hitters during the. Podcast today we only. Hot we
only talked about one of the rookies, Striking so that
was the hardest. Category, NEXT, rbi we're not talking about.
Rookies we're just talking STRAIGHT. Rbi, god not.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
THAT i, know, RIGHT, rbi, MAN i, legitimately you know.
What Aaron, Judge, okay just kidding. Me you know. What
i'm also gonna, Say John Carlos stanton had a good.
Year Aaron judge hit in front of? Him why? Not Cal?

(01:36:22):
Raleigh home runs count probably probably not, enough but home
runs count mm. Hmm show hit, yeah, whatever show he tony.

Speaker 8 (01:36:40):
AND i don't know What i've done for, right M,
H i will do a wild card and, say, Ah Michael.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
Bush, Okay jeff is up nineteen to. Eleven there we,
Go there we. GO i don't KNOW idol strikeouts per
nine fifty plus innings, pitched so mostly, Believers. Jesus we
relievers strike out a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
Batters, Yeah Mason miller struck out like fifty percent his last,
Month So i'm gonna, Say Mason, MILLER i don't know
if he threw it. Up you said how many fifty?

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
Innings, yeah fifty, Pleasant so if they were a full time,
reliever then they Probably.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
I'm going to assume he got. There, Yeah Jeremiah, estrata,
okay just Naming padres Apparently Edwin. DIAZ i don't, know,

(01:37:51):
certainly no one on The dodgers that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:53):
Much what.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
This.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
Chapman it's a good, one a good. One AND i
don't know that some of these guys are really. Good
But i'm, like don't strike out LIKE i want to,
say Like yann but like he doesn't strike out guys.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Like Guess Casey. LEGOMINA i will, say.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
WHAT i don't, know is it glaciers still miss and
that's probably not What i'll, say Like Griffin jack's or.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
Something, okay, uh it's thirty currently it is twenty seven
to twenty two In jeff's. Lee So, craig the little
ground back up. There you got a very, team all,
right last one you need, uh you need eleven to?
Tie it is picture wins.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
The. FACE i, MEAN i have no.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Idea, YEAH i didn't need.

Speaker 1 (01:38:59):
IT i, LEGITIMATELY i mean this IS. RB i don't
look at. It.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
REB i actually knew.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
Who are some pictures who pitched for some teams that
won a?

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Lot, yeah that's WHAT i.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
Did none of it seems won a.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
Lot that is part of the problem that he is
part of the.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Problem, okay, Sure Christopher sanchez is a good picture on
a good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
TEAM i don't think he won that many.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
Games, well he probably. Didn't the other part, is LIKE
i Know Yoshinobu yamamoto got no run, support, right so
LIKE i. DON'T i don't think he's up. There SO
i like The, Mariners Brian, WU i, Said Brian Brian,

(01:39:45):
Wu well you said, it So i'm not gaining any.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Ground that's The.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
Blue. Jays did The Blue jays have like winging pictures.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
That that was my. CONUNDRUM i Know bassett went a lot,
early but then he was.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
Bad he was. Bad, yeah and then they like Like Eric,
lower isn't it better not Be Eric.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
FLOWER i don't think it's going.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
That look, Face Garrett Christian Garrik, Krushe i'm gonna, Say.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
Okay you got two more guesses and you got six
points to get all, Right Terrek, Scuoble, okay and you've
been eliminated.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
With gas, perfect it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
Matter all, Right we'll name somebody name name?

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
Why all?

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
Right, fine, why? Alright, congratulations, congratulations you win thirty three
to twenty. Seven uh for rookie home runs the from
five to, one it Is Nick kurtz with thirty, Five
Augustin ramirez with twenty, One colson Monk emery also with twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
One, oh that's mad about, that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
Okay Drake baldwin with, Nineteen carlos And arvayez with. Fifteen, okay, sure, sure,
YEAH i don't.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
Feel bad about missing. That i'm mad About i'm a
little annoyed About, ramirez WHO i just didn't talk. ABOUT
i mentioned, HIM i mentioned, him AND i completely forgot about.
Him But cales To, montgomery that's that's.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
Frustrated rookie. Strikeouts Will warren leads. With whatever we talked
about it also pitching all, Year Jack lighter one hundred
forty eight rookie was.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
Eligible, yeah THAT i did not.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
Know Shane smith one hundred and thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
Seven, Yeah Sean, burke.

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
WHICH i would not whatever opening and my personal Nemesis
Chad patrick undred twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
Five strike hats Like Chad, patrick, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
YEP, Rbi Kyle. Schuber this is Where jeff cleaned. Up
he got thirteen fifteen on this. Category Kyle. SCHWARBER i
thought About.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
Schwarber they keep.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
You alonzo finished, second SO i Knew shark.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
A.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
Dumbness, yeah Cal, rowley are you Hinne A suarez? For
And Aaron judge?

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
Fifth, okay, well BUT i strike you don't feel? THAT i,
mean so the thing is, LIKE i don't feel that
bad BECAUSE i thought about. SHORT i really did think About,
schwarbur BUT i, THOUGHT i don't know he leads. Off
it's a little of the. Show otani AND i just said.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
What strikeouts for Names miller, First Cole reagan's fourteen point.
One he managed to through fifteen this, year kind of.
Impressive Edwin, Diaz, Griffin Jack's. Jeremiahestrada well that was that
was the second best round of, anybody, okay and then
Finally pitcher wins, A Max freed with nineteen And Carlos

(01:42:26):
rodan tied for second, too, okay Fastball Freddy, peralta, uh
and Then Brian woo And Jesus lizardo type for fifth
with one for one.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
Point you, KNOW I I i thought About milwaukee and
then Just Freddy peralta's, name just in IF.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
I feel like he doesn't like, pitch like he tends
to get, games but, yeah don't tend to get.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
Wins the thing, is IF i HAD i, LOOKED i
looked At, milwaukee AND i was not looking at the,
roster And i'm like, who you, KNOW i was, like
Not Jose, cantana Not, masowski not. Whoever AND i just
never got To Freddy, peralta which is, insane BUT i.
Didn't OTHERWISE i would have picked him on a team
that one a. Lot you, know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
Before this year paraltis high And winds was.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
Twelve, sure but like they were good that you know.
Whatever to your, point like you, said pick a good
team and a guy the, pitches and like he does
he does, so all. Right Congratulations, jeff well, Done thank
you for the, Game, patrick thank you both for, coasting
and thank you to our listeners for tuning into another
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(01:43:50):
cover Of Dancing queen By. ABBA i. Listened it's very.
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