Five and Dive, Episode 496: Ooh baby, baby, it was a Wild Card

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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Welcome to episode four ninety six of Five and Dive
this Friday, October third. I'm your host, Craig Bold, soon
joined as usual by Patrick Ute and Jeffrey patron Nostro.
And we've had a playoff series in the book. The
wild Card round is over. We are going to talk
about what we got right, what we got wrong.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I guess do it again.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Then we're going to do it again.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Then we're going to talk about the weird number of
manager spots opening open already, and we'll play a game.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
That's that's how this show is going to go.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
But before we do any of that, we have some
you know, well, I'll ask you guys if you have
any banter.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I don't know why. Four hundred and ninety six episodes
in you're explaining the show to people.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Here's how to start.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
How we do it is that halfway through the Alds previews,
I stop and we talk about my kid's speech for
all student Buddy vice president.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Welcome, Welcome to five and Dive one oh one. Here's yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
No, I went to My kid is running for vice
president their school. He's been there for like three weeks
and it's decided that he's going to try and win
a popularity contest. Sure he did great, But what I
will say is that there were twenty five speeches yea,

(01:54):
each of them each in theoretically ninety seconds long and
probably before the stuttering in the in the pauses and
realizing that they'd never spoken in front of a crowd before.
Each of those speeches were probably ninety seconds long. It
was interminable. And the worst part is that I kept
waiting for just one kid to do the say anything

(02:16):
thing and just shout, you know, san dimas high school
football rules, And because that I would have cheered for that.
I would have cheered for the just the the soccer
football players.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Why did you attend? This isn't that's what I was.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
I don't remember any.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Like public I don't like debates.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
For basically the reason I attended. The reason I intended
is because my kid asked me to, because I said
it was okay, and so I'm like, yeah, you know,
I'll show my support, and you know I'm gott to
pick them up anyway after school so I can be well,
theoretically half an hour early, more like an hour early.
But it was fine. We'll find out if we'll find

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out to be one today. He probably won't because, like
I said, nobody knows it.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Jeff Any, It's it's playoff baseball time. I have a
lot of prospect lists to write, so let's do a uh,
let's do a Hades two check out.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
So we're talking.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, I got some good advice from Jonathan Bernhardt last
night that I think has opened up for me. Yeah. Well,
he played like the early access and everything, so he's
he's well in on it. Yeah. I was like getting
I don't know, I was getting to hes Festus and
Cosmic Ray heavy I think, okay, and it was like

(03:33):
a little too fiddly. So he's just like, yeah, just
just use Hestia.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
I told you. I know I wanted to be good,
but I don't think. I don't think it's.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
That goods is a new areas. It's fine. You can
just damage load.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
And like exactly, yeah, yes, you get a little fire
and ice.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
It's very weird that like Demeter after being it's Demeter,
I think also, but uh, being terrible In the first.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Listen, I've been saying Kyphus because that's what someone said
it was. And then I listened to Tom Hamilton on
the radio while I'm driving around and he's just saying
kayfus the entire goddamn time.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Ok So, now.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
What it's ka faith sounds. I So look, I'm not
gonna get her. I'm not going to get any of
these Greek pronunciations.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah okay.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
First of all, I learn about most of them via
British people, and I know they invented the language, but
they're fucking it up left and right. Yeah okay, so
like I can't I can't claim to know one way.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Or I've watched too many British cooking shows, so I
like say, weird pronunciations, I don't call them like aubergines.
But I mean also, like the all the voice actors
are British for exact, British.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Act have no chance, but we have no chance.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Making like I say, making hes Festus like super Liverpool
was a very funny choice. I mean, I know it's
like an industry city, so it makes sense that. But
it's like like I'm listening to Rigo Star like the
Green Lights area.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
So have you have you defeated Kronos yet?

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I have not. I got very close. As we know.
The second form is we're giving spoilers, but whatever, like
everyone knows the plot.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
I'm sorry, Like.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
You're gonna do it fifteen million times everyone, I'm sorry
twenty five years later.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Every single but it's just Haites. Also, like it's just.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
A same well it is I do enjoy like from
runs like twenty to forty. I'm like, oh, this is
the same game, and it's taking for and I started
opening it started opening up a little more for me.
I think I went through with Haites one too, but yeah, no,
like the second I got to like the end of
the second form and just like, oh, this is just

(05:45):
like okay, I need it completely. I was not prepared
for this basically like, oh, it's going while I've got
a good build, like I'm hitting him with the I've
got like fireball with like the circle cast circle plus
scorch in it, and I'm just running around and hitting
them and it's like, oh no, you just die now,
like and like okay, I have to actually.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Like it definitely took me at least two.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Like just and I'm pretty I'm very consistent. I'm very
consistent at getting to him at this point. I was
I was again some of the area effects stuff in
the morning fields was like just killing my debt defiances
before I got to the final phase. But like I

(06:28):
got to him with like my full death defiances and
I was fine, Like I was like cruising, I used
I lost one like early in the second phase. It's fine.
And then like I got him down to like half life,
and I just like, no, he's just absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
I definitely died twice very quickly when I did not
realize I had to Like he does that first.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Move and you have to go to the circle.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, And I was like, well, how do I do
this is nine hundred damage whatever, How the hell am
I supposed to You just have to survive it with it.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
It is very much like and then I was like
the old j JRPG boss that like hits you for
nine nine ninety nine damage. Yeah, at the end of
the game, I was for that. I am like, this
is it does have like some persona SHIMMIGAMMI tense I
like JRPG level grinding to it, which I'm actually enjoying.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
But I do it.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
I can do it in small doses. I can't do
like an hot meat. I'm going to spend hundreds of
hours on this game, but I can't do like a
hundred hour RPG anymore, so I will just spend hundreds
of hours on this game like I did on Bilantro
and say the Spire and Haiti's one for that matter.
I don't know them more one hundred hours in Haities
one yet, but I might be. I just think prospect List,
we'll be on time this year. It's fine.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
I just think it's very funny that while you guys
are playing that, I got a docking station for my
Steam deck yesterday weird one and plugged into the TV
and the first thing that my kid wanted to play
was Gone Home, the twenty fifteen walking simulator yep, where
you wander around a house doing nothing except like listening
to audio locks.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Very very different world, exactly like you, Frankly, but I
suppose a child of yours.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
No, yeah, he's really into it. He's very much into
the ooh, I'm get to be in somebody else's house.
That also I like a well, but also like I
want to. I want to. It's very much they secrets
no second charge, yeah, fair enough, but also like it's spooky,

(08:24):
but nothing actually bad happens and they can't die, so
like perfect.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Now, Yeah, is it is?

Speaker 3 (08:30):
You?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
You also like playing the simulator where you just put
things away, right?

Speaker 4 (08:35):
I mean, you know I'm packing this fun. I don't
play game people don't like to do in real powera
washing game.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
The powera washing game.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, that one, I at least somewhat understands.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
You got to get him on a Kentucky read zero next.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
So I tried it. I didn't I didn't bring him up.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
To the table to appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
The game is a little too poor Hayley spoorhaes for me.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, all right, well, speaking of of death death shots
or whatever, I don't know, defying shore.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Let's talk about the wildcard round.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
We had three elimination double elimination games yesterday.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Our first segment is just the wild card round recap.
We'll start with the one series that didn't require a
double elimination game, the Dodgers and the Reds. Uh.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
We all predicted Dodgers and two. It was Dodgers and two.
They tried their best, The bullpen tried their best to
make this at least moderately interesting, and they did moderately
interesting and uh, but not interesting enough. So I guess
I don't know what do you want to talk about
this series?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
It's yeah, I guess like they very much like don't
play the games on paper, but this series was just
played on paper.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, I mean the Dodgers using fifty nine pitches in
the eighth inning of Game one. Three pitchers. This is
specifically why they came up with the three batter minimum.
It was like we were getting three to five pitchers
in an inning. Uh, the Dodgers did it anyway. Yeah,
I did think it was funny that they were like, wow,
fifty nine pitches, like this is the most since I

(10:14):
don't know, I saw some thing.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's you know, in how some Rockies game decades whatever.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Literally last year, Brent Honeywell threw fifty pitches in one
inning in a game against the Yankees in the World Series.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
But fifty nine is a lot.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
It is.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Uh, the credit to the Cincinnati Reds for only scoring
three runs.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, they got a lot of runners on I mean.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Not like on some level. I mean, obviously I'm annoyed
that this team gone in the playoffs over the Mets,
but also it's just like, okay, like this is mostly
on the Mets, the Reds, the Reds.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
You could like this too.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
I mean, I feel like the Mets would have been
like at least maybe a little more stated to getting
to the bullpen and maybe like Nola McLean pitchers better
than Hunter Green. But like, yes, the Dodgers might just
be good again.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, well so I think they are.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
I think the bullpen is still extremely questionable. Roki Sasaki
looked very good a third time. I don't know at
what point you just start believing that he could you know,
he can be good in this role.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Obviously, relievers blow up all the.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Time, anyway, I don't I think that's the only reliever
you could say, like trying to look they they sat
on the broadcast that they fixed something with his arm slot.
You know who knows. He looked better. Didn't look great, I.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Would say, got to get through three weeks, right, Dave.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Dave Roberts went back for more trying and at two
twelve in the morning for one batter in the second game.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
But he also needed the bullpen for thirteen outs.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Like totally they were harrowing out though generally speaking, I
mean like this this that I mean looks bad.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean, yeah, I'm like again, it was it was
a sweep. It was pretty clear Galamoto pitched out of
some trouble that could have maybe change.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Also wasn't really his fault, like he wasn't they were
infield hits, they were you know, there were some errors
out in the outfield where there Hernandez had some issues
to Oscar Hernandez, like he gave up you know, Yama
Motor gave up two runs in the first inning of
Game two. That's a ball I don't know that I've

(12:22):
ever It's it's exaggerating to say I've never seen a
ball dropped like that, but like that is one of
the easiest balls you'll ever see dropped. Took Hernanda's just
clanked and so gave up the two runs there. But
like I mean, he he could have gone deeper into
the game if he wasn't forced to throw extra pitches
that and potentially and I do think with this Dodger seat,

(12:46):
you're just going to see them the starters go six
seven plus every time.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
It was like the like at this point, you know,
the third time to the order penalty is a is
a guideline, right and the idea that you can bring
in a reliever that's going to be better than your
pitcher after a hundred. Might you have to have the
ver Yeah, have the right.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
For the Reds. I mean, zach ly tell game too.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
I guess they didn't have much of a choice because
Lodolo was banged up but threw on Sunday and he
pitched in this game and he was dealing with a
little bit of an injury.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, he's been hurt.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
I that's a fascinating choice to me. That's a it's
a choice that's almost like, well, we made the playoffs,
so like whatever, we're probably not going to win anyway.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I guess they had to ride their pen very very
hard to get yeah, even get there, right, So yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, And and the reality is, you know, we've talked
about it going they're in any three win team and
the Dodgers lineup has seemed to coalesce, and you know,
the only only thing to line up is question you know,
is u is questionable with this line of excuse me,
is whether Will Smith will come back?

Speaker 3 (14:06):
And that's just gonna make things harder.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Although out out, you know, working around the the intermitten
sacrifice bunts, Yeah, did okay at.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
A couple of hits.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's just one of those series where like the Reds
are frisky. That's a good way the Reds. They're frisky, right,
it's a good way to put it. They're starting pitching there. Yeah,
but like you get you get your ace on the mound.
He throws a hundred on the inside black and then
they shown just actually obliterates it to the poles id
just like okay, like we've ramped up the difficulty level now,

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like it's you're now in You're now in a soul's game.
Like if if.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Te Oscar Hernandez is going to hit two homers in
one game, then they get a basis loaded double in
the next game. Yeah, you know you're very unlikely to
win now that the bullmen will try and help you.
But that's gonna be tough if they're gonna get those
hits with runners on bass and and they're gonna get
five homers in game one on which they.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Got I mean, like for all the most the most
annoying ninety one win team of all time or whatever
they ended up winning, because ninety three are you end sure,
Like you look at it and it's like now that
Bets is hitting, it's still a Twani and Bets and
Freemen and you know, they especially and officially going into

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the Philly Series with ta Oscar and Paez and Edmonds
specifically for the lefties, and then all the starting like
the they did it right this year. They got there
with all their starting pitching healthy. They have Otani, they
have Glass now they right.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
The only thing is Will Smith, the only well Smith, Yeah,
which could could Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
The Dodgers have entered the playoffs like significantly more healthy
than the Phillies, right, Like it's it's wild to say
that well wheel.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Phillis well Wheeler.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Sure, uh so let's go on to our next National
League series.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
The Cubs, we should say, like answer next for the rest.
I'm they're going to probably do this again next year
without the starting pitching health that they got this year.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah yeah, well see they didn't.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Even have like amazing starting pitching health. But they're probably
not gonna have this level of starting pitching health again.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, I'm excited for a full year of Chase Burns.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Sure, Red louder is healthy again.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Theoretically, Oh okay, theoretically I'd be excited for a year
two of Spencer Steer and acclaim. I'm just gonna hit
like this because they're just they'll just keep waiting forever
for them to come back and hit more.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
South Stewart might be in this category soon. Your cat's
driving a little issue back.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah, cats are funny. I apologize everyone one of them
is a gremlin. I can't help it.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
They're gonna win any three games again, probably next year.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah, I guess you're gonna get a lot of south Stewart.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, just fine, Like he's fine.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Sure, I got a lot of Jay Bruce. I'm sorry,
not Jae Bruce. That's just a red stay. That's Tommy
Joseph like older. He looks he looks like he's twenty
nine or thirty, and he's twenty. They kept being like
he's twenty two, that's it, in twenty two or twenty one,
and I was like, wow, this guy.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's like he's like fancy ty Wiggington.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Sure, yeah, sure, they're gonna have to figure out how
to replace mcgillian dow har which is a sentence.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Which is a wild sag. They could bring to absolutely
resign Migulanda Har. Actually that's like bat gone up. Yeah,
well sure, well they figure out.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
You got to find the next miguelean Har.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Well, and are they gonna. Is Hayes a free agent? Yes,
so they're gonna they got an.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
He's an option, doesn't he that countrack goes forever?

Speaker 3 (17:38):
No, no, no, yes, I meant they.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Might bring Austin Hayes back right, like he's guys, like
they will spend like to that level, Like they would
just give out the Drimer Candelario deal to these two guys.
So they're still paying Drammer Candelario.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
They really they really should not give the Jay or
Candelaria to deal to these two guys, but they might,
but they might.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Like Miguel and Andahar, it's probably fine now that he's
like healthy, right, like.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah, but he's like a platoon side DH, so like yeah,
I mean like you have to be able to produce.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Those I mean you have to.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yes, Well, well, the other part is if like go
in and and mid season acquire another platoon side DH,
if that's what your failing is, because that's not expensive.
They just did it.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's I mean, they probably will not be in a
position to buy next year.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
You should not be signing. Well okay, but if you're
not going to be in a position to buy, then
don't sign the free agent platoon side DH. That's that's
part of what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean this is
I think it's not the pitching health. Even to me,
that's that's the concern. It's like, I don't know that
you're getting this year out of Andrew Abbott again.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
And I don't know that. I'm not saying that I
think he's bad. I'm not, but like, I don't think
he'll be this.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Good again next year.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
But maybe you get Chase Burton's and and maybe some
Rent Louder to offset that.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
I don't know. Now, can we go to the.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
So the Cubs dispatched the padres in three, with a
little help from their friend behind home plate. There was
some contentiousness as the umpires left the field d For
those who don't know, Xander Bogarts was called out in
the top of the ninth inning out of ball that
was pretty clearly below the zone. It was definitely below

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the zone, hovering on the screen. I think you all
know how I feel about that. It was below basically,
and so JJ Cooper had an article at Baseball America.
If you had gone and checked like the immediate stat
cast strike zone, it would have showed you it was
on the black on the corner that uses a generic

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strike zone for every batter. Xander Bogart's strike zone it
was very clearly below the zone. He laid it out
very well. I would recommend it if you're interested. Patrick,
you predicted this one correctly. Three, So congratulations.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
I think we both we were both like Mike Schult
definitely had some influence. Yes, it's unclear if Jackson Merrill
was bunting for himself or not, but so right, what.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I said was, I think I said the Padres in three,
and then you brought up the fact that it was
like Mike Shilton Craig Counsel, and I was like, boy,
do I feel bad about that.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
I guess I'll stick with it.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
But yeah, I was just like, I don't it's a
little weird to me that Padres just didn't hit more
home runs. I know, it's not like a great they
do not hit home they were Yes, they're hitting coach
makes Eric Chavez look like heaven long. But but they
have guys that can hit home runs, right like Nanny Machado,

(20:54):
Vanillo tatist Jackson Merrill. Like the big thing with Jackson
Merrill was like, is he gonna left the ball as
a prospect that he started lifting the ball like a
weird year he did. He was hurt too.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
I know we should acknowledge that, like Peco Park plays
a part.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
In these guys not hitting as many home runs as
you think, certainly, and they were playing these in regulars,
so you could have you could have anticipated some home
runs and the game that they won, yeah, they got
a big one from Manny Machadom. I was a little
surprised that how a few runs were scored in this
series in jail.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, I mean, like the party have a very good
bullpen and they yes to it liberally, yes, and.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Which was probably the right move, like the.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Mic shilt, like capital managing move to me, And I'm
not saying it was wrong, but it was very much managing,
which which was uh, loading the.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Bases with Dylan Cees what at three and.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Two thirds innings something like that to bring in Adrian
mora Hoane to face eat Crow Armstrong. Now, I'm not
saying that's a bad move. Pekro Armstrong can't hit left
and Adrian Morahane was the best non closer reliever in baseball.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
And his particular like fastball, breaking ball combo is gonna
get PCA fits.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yes, so I'm not saying it's a bad move, but
that is some capital M managing.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
And it's like, I don't know, this is I think
we've discussed this before. None of these feel like playoff
series will come on to one. That really didn't feel
like the playoff series in a minute, but like I
don't like it feels like the playoffs start now, right,
and like these teams were both I think justifiable playoff

(22:39):
teams like the Reds weren't maybe the Guardians, But I
don't know this divisions. I don't get the Central, man,
I do like I feel like Jeff Passen has been
vindicated for that, like week one tweet about the AL Central,
but he got that the entire division was under five
hundred and then like the teams got hot and he
got yelled at by Ale Central fan.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
De Troy had the best record in baseball.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, and then the AL Central ended up like the
AL Central. But yeah, I don't I know. This was
on like network TV, but it was like overlapping with
a lot of more interesting games, so I did not
watch much of it.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah, I didn't watch much of that. This is I've
been focusing on the American League because I've been writing
more of the previous for American League, and so this
was kind of my like with four games overlapping. Yeah,
unless you're you know, I just needed and needed an
hour off. Yeah, this is my.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Hour off, So I find to take an hour off
when Jamison Tyan is in there.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
It's like, I don't think it's the worst series and
I think it's worst team.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
It's just and it didn't feel like a regular season
series in the way the Guardians Tigers did, but just
was kind of there.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
It is.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
It is a shame that that strikeout call.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, it was even potentially consequential because the Padres did
get a bunch of runners on Yeah in that game.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Ultimately, sure, and like a lot in the swing, a
lot of them swing up three game series or a
little and a little bit. A swing of three games
is more of the point.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
I don't want to dismiss the you know, the any
Padres man who feels disgruntled, because I think they're valid.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
It's a it was a bad call, it will be fitting.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
You don't want to you don't want to challenge, You
don't want to even if you were the second best
team in the series, which I think they were. You
don't want to go out that way, right, Like.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
It's it's a bat, it's gonna leave a sour.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Taste, right, And I understand it, I do, But I
am going to say this. You scored no runs off
Jamison ty On and and that is the bigger problem.
It doesn't mean the other one is not a problem.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
It is. And you're justified in being angry about that,
I think.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
But you put your situation where a borderline call like
that can.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
That's that's and again I'm not saying it doesn't wash
away the umpire error, but that is the bigger problem here.
And and it was the problem of of this team
doesn't hit.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
For enough power.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, and you have to you have to be able
to hit the ball out against Tyn. You have to.
He's going to give you those opportunities.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
And they did.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
And look, the Cubs bullpen has found its form really
especially late in the season. They are using Daniel Palencia
as a fireman and it's very effective.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Oh, you can do that when you have Brad Keller ready,
Brad Keller.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
And Andrew Kittridge.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Like we've talked, we've talked a fair bit about Andrew Kittridge.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Because bad for the Orioles for whatever.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
But he's just their closer and opener now, and that's fine,
you No, it's it's so so I guess, I don't know.
Do we have anything else, particularly in this series.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
I I don't.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
It was like a very I know, it was like.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
I don't think there's much to nitpick here. The guys
just didn't perform offensively the.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Way they needed to I and.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
They got the home runs off Imanaga.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
This is one of those where it's just like the
team that homers more wins x percent of the time
and the Cub's.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Home Yeah, I think, who, I'm sorry, you know, it's
just it's so much baseball. I apologize. But the Cubs
got back to back homers in the first Yeah, in
the first game off of Paveta. Pavetta, thank you so.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Like the big thing with Pavet that that is maybe
the biggest nnagerial mistake to me in this was just
not pulling him earlier in the sense that you have
this bullpen.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
He learned the lesson for Game two, right, he did
it with.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Cease, But but you have Pavetta, who was pitching very well.
But one of the reasons he had a great year,
as we talked about on the hitter side, was pet
Co Park. Right, this is the guy who gives up
a lot of fly and it is Nick Povetta, and
he was pitching in Wrigley instead of instead of Petco
And I think you know these those are those are

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balls that are not home runs in Peco.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Park that that they hit.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
But they got back to back homers and and that
sunk them in Game one and ultimately left them vulnerable
to the stuff that happened.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
In Game three.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
I think they had every opportunity to walk out of
there with a two game suite the way that game
was going, in the way that their bullpen operates, and
and they left him in a little bit too long.
That's also hindsight. It's easy to say when he's given
up for me to say when he's given up two
home runs, But it was fairly deep in the game
for how good that bullpen is.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
One of the problems with this this round not failing
at the playoffs. Ser this is a three game series,
so you don't have you don't have the do or
die wildcard game anymore, and you don't really get to
sort of fit with the ebb and flow of even
a five game series.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's just it's in between, it's and
it's it's a weird it's it's a weird vibe.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I will also say that that Mason Miller threw one
of the most perfect pitches I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
I like that. That What I don't remember even.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
How fast it was one four point five?

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Was that the one at the top of the zone though.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
That was no, that was the one that was outside black.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Okay, that okay?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
That and it just it like it was magnetic to
the glove right there.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
It was.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
There's a believable it's one of the This was an
old football ramble thing. They were talking about the sixty
six World Cup, which was the first one on TV
in England really because in England too, and about Yusebio,
who's his very famous Portuguese player, you know, one of
the greatest strikers of all time. But he scored this
penalty kick where they're like he hit it so hard,

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like the camera didn't even have time to track it,
like from the spot, like it was just in the
back of the net. Before the camera could pay. Yeah,
that's what it felt like with Mason Miller. It was
just like that fastball. It is just like the ball
just like appears there. Yeah, it's like a It's like
a penny and tell her like magic bullet.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
This is what ya. This is what Batters thought about
Walter Johnson when he was throwing seventy nine miles an hour. Yeah, anyway,
what's next for the Padres?

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Who knows? Yeah, I don't know if the Padres not
what's next for the Padres yet?

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yeah, I don't think they do.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Is a J Preller back? Are they going to spend money?

Speaker 4 (29:23):
And you know they're going to reassign any of those starters.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Are they? They they're like locked in too, Darbish and
Bogart and Machado And.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I feel like this is a good time to advertise
the people that for the twenty twenty six Baseball Perspectives Annual,
we have assigned.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
David Roth.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
And I've specifically asked him I will he can do
what he wants.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
I want very but I did.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I said to him, I'm I'm assigning this to you
in the hopes that you will dig into aj Preller
and just the prellerness of.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Well again is gonna? Are they're going to be there?
Is he gonna?

Speaker 1 (30:01):
I don't know, But that's just like how do you
talk about the Padres without it being about a j Preller.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
At this point, I don't know what the family is
gonna do moving forward again. They're they're locked in to
a lot of long term money and a lot of
contracts that are not gonna like the Bogers contract already
even aging Well, Machado's again was good this year and
I think will continue to be pretty good, but there's
a lot of out years on that deal still to come.

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In Darbish the same way. I think he's only a
couple of years left now on Darbish, but he's approaching
forty and you know, King and cease. You can give
him the qualifying offer and take two more prep pictures
that sound like characters from Saltburn but.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
You know what the next the next cruise school craft
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
But like I don't, and then you can trade them
for a reliever at the deadline next year, Like you
can do that again and probably be so.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Darbish is under contract through twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
This is I thought it was twenty twenty seven. Okay,
uh yeah, I mean yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Like Muscrow will be back presumably.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Sure. So the other thing is like they have no
like this is a lot of free agent. There's been
a lot of Randy, a lot of Randy vesqueaz again
next year because they have no pitching. Like they traded
they traded Brandon net and they traded at a Mazer
and they traded uh Robbie Snelling right all this like

(31:30):
back all these backfield guys and spellings even a little
bit better than that. But like, yeah, I don't know where.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
They're major even yeah they're major.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I mean the Padres list is fairly early on. And
this is probably the worst system I've had to write
up in ten years at bpay And I said that
about three different angels system.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
This is the major free agents are arise and cease.
Jose Glasias is a free agent that shouldn't be major,
but he played played a.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Fair bit and you can they do actually have like
an infielder, Yeah, they have an infielder somewhere, right.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
They did trade Brandon Lockridge. Nestor Quartes is a free agent.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Sure, yeah, I don't know what it's gonna look like.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
La excuse me.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Ramon Loreano and Ryan O'Hearn are free agents, so they're
gonna have to re You know, this is gonna They
did this pretty well at the deadline, but they're gonna
have to do it going into the year. They also
have like balloon payments on Pavetta. I spent all off
season saying I thought he was gonna get traded. Pavetta

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jumps from two and a half million to twenty twenty
point five million.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Uh, and then it drops from there. But it's weird.
Uh and and uh. Michael King right has the.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Same Kings a free agent, the Kings of free agent.
They have the weird mutual. They have a weird mutual
to move money around. Basically, that's not going to get
picked up.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Right, I apologize. I knew there was an option and
then it was a mutual option. Okay, So right, that's
the other that's the other major free agent. By the way,
then Michael Okay, So I don't know if they can
tolerate spending twenty and a half million dollars on Nick Livetta.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, I mean you can. You can move Mason Millard
to the rotation.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
And but then you have to replace him, he well.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
They have relievers, but yes, no, yeah, yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
So yeah, I don't think anyone knows. I think that.
I guess I would say it's a step back. I
I can't. I really struggle to believe they're going to
be able to to I think the Diamondbacks are in
a better position.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
It's they got to replace a lot of Diamondbacks have
to replaced a lot of pitching too.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
But yeah, sure, sure, let's go over to the Al.
The Yankees held out over Boston in three games. We
got the double elimination game yesterday started by two rookies,
neither more than fifteen uh starts in the majors.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Was it really felt like the most ESPN game again
could be Well, yeah, a lot of that right.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Choice, the right choice for both those teams to start
those pictures.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yes, oh absolutely well.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
And look, the the Red Sox were helped out a
little bit in the sense that Giolito was unavailable. But
we talked about this going in. I think Jeff you
pointed it out that Conn only early. You know, going
to a second lefty was definitely the right move against
this Yankees lineup. But I ended up getting this right.

(34:51):
I didn't remember that I said that this at all. Honestly,
I didn't remember the number or the team, So huge,
huge win for me.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
What I said, I said Boston, you said BOT three
and I said Yankees, And.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
I had a weird feeling like.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
I think you're you're directionally right, Patrick, I.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Think I think like I feel like Boston should have
won the series.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Uh, they they they probably should have won, or they
definitely have their opportunities in camp.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
I feel like we should talk about Cam Schlitzler's Sure,
I'm annoyed, because I'm not really annoyed, but the Yankees
usually do this in double A so we can catch it.
But they did it like this year and then called
them up immediately the six mile an hour velocity.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Very annoyed, and I thought, honestly the best. Yeah, this
was the This was the game you guys talked about.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
You think I should drop a list in the middle
of the wildcard round.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
This this was the game you guys talked about the
Padres series being like the hour you miss or whatever.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
This this was dinner and bedtime for me. So I
missed a lot of this series.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
And also like I've had baseball on all day so
my wife needs to watch a show that's not baseball
kind of thing. So I would watch this on my
phone these three games whatever. But I did see some
of this game yesterday and I love I honestly, Like, look,
I have a lot of issues with Aaron Boone. I
don't know that he should continue to be the manager
one way or the other. But I liked when he

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came when Schlitzler finished the seventh inning in the ninety
something pitch range, and they caught him saying, you know,
they were able to read his lips that he shout.
He was shouting down to someone out in the in
the dugout, He's going back out there.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
If you watch the bullpen in Game one.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Watched the bullpen. No, it's it's some of it's the bullpen.
It's also he was just that good. Yea, he was
that good.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
They they mentioned, you know, Carl Rabbits said like he
had them locked up, like he they had nothing, And
I look, I know we've done all the research about
the guy dealing, and I'm not saying he was dealing.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
I'm saying these guys didn't have a prayer. Yeah, they
had nothing.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
On its man this it's it's funny to like my
takeaway from this series. And I know, I know they
started to lefties first years, like they really needed Roman
Anthony for this series because they just needed another bat
they could take a good at bat, right, like yep, the.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Work account potentially do damage.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yes, absolutely, and they just didn't. They just the lineup
was too and like Res Schneider and Romean Gonzalez like
even they all got hit, like they all got hits
against the lefties, like they weren't zero, so they were
in there.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
But just.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Like it's a very weird team because very weird lineup
right now, because it's like I think I said about
the Cubs, right, like with some of their average hitters
need to be a little bit better than that, and
that's basically what happened. And he's like their above average
hitters just looked very average.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah yeah, I mean they had you know, they were
in they never had the leading game two, right, but
they had opportunities they had.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I think it was it was when they bunted with
Rafaela was three to three, right.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Yeah, and look like Rafaella hit I off the bat.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
I thought he tied the game off Bednar in that
and it was one of those ones that's like I
don't know, the expected BA was like six sixty and whatever.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Uh, he didn't quite get all of it. But like
you know, they they had their chances, the chances. Trevor
Story had a couple of hits in that game. Three rbi.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
I mean, when if Trevor you tell me Trevor Story
has three RBI in the game.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Like I'm assuming the Red Sox one.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
I mean, Duran had a bad series. They couldn't get
to their good lefties as much. And again it's just
a little bit short, right, like it low is good
for them, but yes, it's just not ideal.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
In both teams. There were there were literally nine extra
base hits in the three games, and there were thirty
five singles.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, yeah, in the Yankee Stadium Yankee Stadium.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Well, and Patrick mentioned I think early on, but like
Whitlock or maybe this was before the pot I don't apologize,
but like Whitlock was out there for forty a lot
of pitch.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Pitches and like he's pitching to a lefty and they
have left.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, yeah, you've got a good change out so you
can cross him over. But like at that point.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
Yeah, like Aaron Boom was the better manager in this series.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, and I know, like the middle, like the Red
Sox Bullpen hasn't been bad, right, Like Justin Slayton is
a perfectly fine reliever, but like Justin Slayton coming in
a big spot in the playoffs, you're kind of like, yeah, right, look.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Like he's and he's not bad, but some and sometimes
look sometimes it just happens.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
On the field, you know. The other.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
I also feel like the Red Sox, I don't want
to say they got gifted Game one with how Garrett
groshe performed.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
He was that Garrett. That's what you get and and
credit down. So you know, again, these it's been interesting
to see again, Like Shitler, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Everyone, Sitler, it was gonna it was gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Schlittler went eight, Garrett Crochet went one hundred and seventeen pitches.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yo Yoshimoto went one hundred and thirteen. Yeah, pitches. I
think something like that. Yeah, but but I I just think, like.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
I don't know, not playing jazz or and stubbing him
in as a defensive yeah, when he wasn't gonna come
up the rest of the game, like they got some
gifts there, and then the other part of it was
like the game winning we should talking about that. The
game winning run was scored on a single ye, but

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it's a jazz on that. But also that's just such
a kind of a quirk of the stadium. I don't
fall eaten in right for not playing that perfectly, Like,
you know, he doesn't play all his home games there.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
I think even even if he.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
It's really weird that Abray wasn't in at that point.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
That's a little weird to me because even is not
a bad outfield.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
No, he's got a better arm. Yeah, and like they
they had already used tin Hill. I think, so you're
not even worried about them. It's just, yeah, they said
Corey had some very weird managing and again this gets
exacerbated in a three game series, but with without like
a shut down bullpen. But it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
So what's next for the Red Sox?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Interesting question, Like, I think they're gonna be pretty good
next year. Yeah, like they've got some stuff to figure out.
They're probably gonna trade Jared Duran finally said get like
they should bring back Bregman. They got to figure out
first base. But you got a full season has a.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Figure out, I mean, is gonna get.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Some then WI Sports Group has money. You're buying another
team in Spain, I think buy. But you know you
got a full season of Roman Anthony. They got to
figure out what's going on with They.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Don't really aside from Bregnant. Yeah, they don't really have major.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Free agents Gelido, but like they gotta replace the innings,
they can do it.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Yeah, yeah, I know he had a he had a
conditional option, right, did he?

Speaker 2 (42:47):
I think it.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Becomes mutual with one hundred and forty.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yes, I thought I thought I saw.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
That he Yeah, he did so Gilio.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
But they you know, they called up these young arms
late in the year. They're gonna I think they're gonna
You're we're gonna see Peyton Toley and we're gonna see
Connelly early, right, like we're gonna see them. Maybe it's
not straight. They should probably reaccrue some depth. Yes, they
have Patrick sand I mean maybe Sandival's just a new Gilido, right,
I don't know. Easy to forget about him, certainly, But

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they really don't have a ton of you know, it's
ref Snyder, it's Justin Wilson outside of Bregman and Gilido,
and again, I think you can replace Gilio a.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Fairly easily into I mean, there are quality on the market,
right you can go sign like Michael King is probably
better than that, but you can go there.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, But like it's the kind of guy that's like,
you know, there are some injuries. He's flash it. You know,
he wasn't great down the stretch.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
I mean, especially if you're there.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
They've been willing to throw again, Juliado got nineteen million
this year. Like they've been willing to throw some money
at these guys. I think I think it's it's Patrick Sandoval.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I really do it might be. I think they're gonna
be pretty good. I think the Alias is gonna be
weard again next year. Yeah, they like they need Like
maybe Roan Anthony is just that guy. Maybe he is
the star right, like he was trending in that direction
before his injury. Get him and Bregman back. I think
you're in pretty good shape for next year. I don't

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think that especially.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Look, I know it's easy to forget because he took
himself off the net, but Christian Campbell is going to
be there.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
You know these guys should be.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
I mean, Meyer got hurt again, but he should be
and wasn't great in the majors, but he's going to
be around you.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
I think the Alias to be a five way time
for eighty six wins.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah again, I could see this.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
I could see myself projecting the the or predicting that
the Red Sox will win this division there.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah, I mean the Yankees probably, but probably him, But I.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Could see myself getting there.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
Judge will be thirty four.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
You don't know what you're getting, Aaron Judges reaching the
levels of of that, like Lebron is is, yeah, already
thirty five whatever it is, like, we only have so
many more years left of this.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Spar well, except it's just that, you know, Lebron didn't
have a mic trout, just sitting there going, oh he's
also thirty four?

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, uh all right, anything else on this or we'll
go to Jeffrey's beloved Al Central. Let's go to the
Al Central. The Tigers dispatched the Guardians too strong a verb. Yeah,
I'm sorry, the Tigers withstood. The Tigers tumbled out of

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this series.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
With Tigers, I don't know, they're still here.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
They're still here. Okay, Patrick and Jeff got this one right.
In three.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I said in two I was too optimistic. I just
wanted less Guardians in my life. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
I just think it's wild any team won too in
this series. I think they should have just kept playing
until this Eline gave up went home.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Eric's school was Trek Scuoble. He was, yeah, probably, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I think Jeff had said something about during these game
once about Crische, like as they were happening, and I
was like, yes, Scooble though, but Schooble did it against
the Guardians against the Yankees, so I think you got to.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Give that one to Crche. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Scooble was incredible except for fielding balls back to him.
We just got to stop him from doing that, I guess. Otherwise, uh,
you know, Casey Mize was fine. I thought maybe, like
you know, An was doing a little managing here too.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, they don't like but this is not last year's Bullbend, right,
Like Brent Herder hasn't been great and he's kind of
been like their bridge guy for these kind of.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Tyler Holten gave him two and a third, which was great,
but then you're like you're left with you can only
go to Kyle Finnigan so much. Right, You're left with
with with Melton in late innings because you went to Right. Well,
because you went you took my he's out so early.
I look, I know it is what it is, but

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they I think they took minds out facing the ninth
ninth hitter. Yeah, something, I might be mixing it up
with Game three, but I don't know. Felt it felt
like Hinch was doing bullpen chaos and he doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
We talked about how eighteen I think I was like
eighteen percent of Terry School's walks this year out of
Austin Hedges. Yeah, it's I mean whatever. Georgia Learra got
some happy about that podcast.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Anthony Masterson said, yeah, I mean, look, if Brian Rochio
is going to hit home runs, like, I don't know,
bon Naylor hit a big home run.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
He did, they stopped bonnailor enough though, like just like that,
we should know. They called they did call chase the
water for this series.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's this was the big thing. Yeah,
well look you will you will find everyone. Everyone who
was there was saying that the sun was brutal.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
The wind was was rough.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
There were a lot of questionable Like I I know
Jose Ramirez caught a pop fly later in foul territory.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
It was not a guarantee. There were some misses here.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Or near missus, and they started chased the louder in
center field, which he hadn't played in I don't know,
I don't forever.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
He had not played much this year to be.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah, sure he didn't play much any year.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
No, but I'm saying he was played recently.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
He was a center fielder before like the five foot injuries.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
He was also very clearly their best option there.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yes, and see I don't know if he's actually but
if you don't want to move Kwan out of left
because that's where he plays and that's where he's comfortable, fine,
and like he's he hasn't graded out great this year
defensively compared to the past years, George Vilaria has played
more center field and Chase the latter has.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't think that's much. I
don't know. Maybe you're maybe that's a push to me, but.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Like I think the experience there, Like I don't think
Valaire is a great center fielder, but and the injuries.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
But I guess my bigger point is I think they
had to play the lotter one way or the other.
If you want to say you want to prefer Valera,
I guess fine. I think that's six and one, But
you have to play. I think you had to play
the latter. And he had some nice at bats here,
and he worked a very he came back from O
two and it worked a very nice walk. He had

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a hit in Game three. I don't know he also.
I thought one of the plays of Game two was
Zach McKinstry taking a run off the board. Is a
very close play. I understand that, but Dylan Dangler had
not crossed the play. Zach mckinstrey was going first to which, look,

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the Tigers do this, this is what they I think
they had the most first to thirds in baseball this year,
the most extra bases on you know, base running. And
they also ran into a lot of outs because that's
that's what they do. That's fine. The Rays did this
a couple of years ago.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
That's it happens. But with two outs on a single,
with the.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Bases loaded, they were not gonna get Dylan Dingler and
and I saw some people saying the play here is
to draw the throw so the run scores. Well, you
drew the throw and the run didn't score. You know,
if you're gonna do that, then you have to get
hung up or whatever. If it's gonna be close, you
have to be willing to say the run has to

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score and it didn't.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
And look, I know, I'm I'm understanding of people who
say the call in the field was safe.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I'm pretty sure, and they overturned it on replay. I
don't know that it was enough to overturn.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
It was not clear to me. It was a very
close play. I just don't think you can risk that. Yeah,
I don't think you can take the run off the board.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
McKinstry beat the throw like the run like this is
one of those rare he goes straight to the back.
He just yeah, he didn't. He slid with his right
hand and his right hand just missed. He just missed
the bag with his hand. It was weird, just weird
watching it because he was and.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
He got tagged in the face, you know, injury insult.
I guess, but and that's and I guess the part
of why I'm bringing this up is that that throw
was from Delauna, right, Yeah, so you know it worked
out a little bit there. I know he dropped the
ball in the first inning.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
But yeah, it was it was a rough matter.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
But yeah, I I thought that was just that was
a tough one.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
And then you know, it was a little bit of
a reverse in Game three where the Tigers just poured
it on late. It was a tight game through most
of it. They poured on four in the in the seventh,
Cleveland got two back, but.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Only so much to be done.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Joey can Cantillo. Also, I've been saying Cantillo, but the
broadcast all said Cantillo, I apologize, had a resurfacing of
his wildness. Three walks in two and two thirds. I
just couldn't find the strike zone for parts of it.
So I don't know anything else we want to talk

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about in this series? No, no, okay, what's next?

Speaker 2 (52:27):
For what's next for the Guardians exactly this?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Yeah, I mean, that's just gonna be more of the same, right,
this is what they do.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
Jose Ramers will be thirty four. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
You may get more chased a lot, or we may
get the same amount of chased a lot.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Yeah, yeah, no guarantee there.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Leane Thomas is a free agent that doesn't matter. Jacob
Junas is a free agent that should shouldn't matter, but well, somehow,
Austin Hedges is a free agent.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Nolan Jones is not a free agent. There's a club
option on John means David Fry will be back? Will
he theoretically.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Next year? Is Shane Bieber? Yeah, I don't know who
that is yet.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Yeah, I mean, do you feel better if you're you
gotta you got? I know it wasn't There's still a
lot of walks, but you've got a breakout year from
Gavin Williams. Basically, he looked he shoved in Game one,
you know he kept them in it against Google, Uh, Slade,
Chacony or Seconey.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
I guess I don't.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
I don't know how anyone in Cleveland is pronounced apparently.
I apologize. I believe it brought Tom Hamilton. I believe
was saying Seconey was good in the second half of Like,
do you feel better about the rotation heading into next year?

Speaker 4 (53:58):
I mean, Ben, I believe it back.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
That's just Jeff is just rolling his eyes. I don't
know if that's an argument for again.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
I was about Ben Lively.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
No, I'm asking if you feel better about the rotation.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
I mean, I think Byby will be better next year.
I think, like, yeah, I think Willia will be worse
next year because okay, yeah, they think Parker Massik might
be all right, So I think like they're gonna have pitching.
They always have pitching. I assume will eventually find out
what's going on with Emanuel.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Class but yeah, yeah, I would expect something or we
might not.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
We might not, they might just yeah, it might just
very long investigation and they often are.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Yeah, I would say. The biggest thing to me is
like Stephen Quan was slightly below average this year, a
really bad second half. I don't know how they do it.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
And I know they did it without with that bad
second half, but I really don't know how it would
do it again over a longer sample.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
It was not going to be well above average.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
That's what you get when you when you get a
team that wins twenty games of the month in September
to win and you're like, well, that won't happen again.
You know, how could this you needed this last time?
How are we gonna do it that it next time?
They might not need it next time, but probably they
probably would be in a position where they still need
to make a run like this. And I don't know,
we'll get tough the Rors, but every team is capable

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of months like Cleveland had. Yeah, it's just hard to
imagine them in the future dance.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Well, and the other part is, and I know we
said it repeatedly during and look, yeah, I don't want
to upset the person who said we didn't kind of
appreciate the majesty of it, but like it shouldn't have
mattered if Detroit could have been even mildly competent, and
they couldn't until this series.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
I guess, right, Uh, why don't.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
We take a break a good show? Guys, it was
a good show.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
We'll take a break after the recap and we'll come
back with our previews. Welcome back to episode four ninety

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six of five and dive. We are moving on to
our previews now. We'll start with the al New York
and Toronto with a divisional matchup. They ended up tied
the regular season except for the tiebreaker, but I'm not
ever going to get used to those, so I apologize.
We'll do our normal our normal deal, the Yankees will

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win if Patrick, I'm going to start with.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
You, Yeah, well, you know I went with the easy
ones because I went first. If they could get to
Toronto starters. Toronto starters are obviously the weakest part of
their team, and you know it's going to really come
down to I think I don't know if I don't
think the rotation has been announced yet, right, so the
Blue Jays can wait until Saturday morning to say anything,

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So they probably know, but they haven't told us. Uh,
will they go with the Savage twice? Is the question?

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Right?

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Because it feels like he is maybe they're his picture
right now? Like at this point, it's.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Yeah, I mean we've talked about this. I think he
has I think he has the most upside.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
Yes, he has the most likely to be the number
one picture on this team, and I kind of feel
like they need to gamble on that.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
I think, Yeah, I don't disagree.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Kevin Gosman has been very good, Yeah, perfectly, and I
keep forgetting Yeah, and like there's I think there's upside
in Shane Bieber too.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
It's just cooled off a little in September. But but
you know, this is the Toronto's we've reached the point where,
you know, other than Detroit. Uh, these are all good teams,
right There's they're.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Good, You're a bad team, Toronto's good.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Yeah, Trump's good. You're you're You're the weaknesses of these
good teams are that they are average. And this is
an average rotation. But the Yankees have the best offense
in baseball when they're not hitting thirty singles in thirty
five base heads. Uh. So that's pretty much where I
think it goes.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah, I think the thing about the yeah, I don't know.
I think they're definitely just gonna go Gosman Bieber. I
think the question is whether they're gonna go with Sures
or or your Savage.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
I oh, I think they gotta go the Savage.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
I agree, I think they have to. I just think
that's I don't think we're gonna see you Savage twice,
I don't. I just think it's gonna be hard. Like you,
you traded a nice prospect for Shane Bieber specifically for
this purpose, and Kevin Gosman has been your number one
pitcher for you know, this is his last year of

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the contract, so either four or five years, I don't know.
These Okay, so four years, right, and he's and he's
also earned it this year. Like you can't say it's
not on the performance, right I.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
I I do. I mean, and even look even the
Yankee obviously Yankees a better I guess, better starters.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
But like you know, Schlitler, you kind of just slot
your high upside rookie in that third spot. I feel
like I just feel like that's what teams do at
this point. Uh, Jeff, why don't you why don't you
go next year?

Speaker 3 (59:27):
The Yankees will win.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
If I think at this plays like I know, I
think that they finished with what the same exact record.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
The same exactly yeah, significantly different run differential if.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
You, Yeah, I think the Yankees are just a little
like it has to play has to play out on paper, right,
think the Yanks are just a little bit better everywhere,
especially with Bobachett not available for this series. So if
it just plays out that way, I think they'll win.
Like as long as like there's no real surprises. I
guess maybe it's a better way to put it.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Yeah, I mean, what one way to look at it?

Speaker 1 (59:59):
If you user run differential, the Yankees were three games
better than their ninety four and sixty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
At ninety seven and sixty five, the Blue Jays were
five games worse with a PITHAG of eighty nine and
seventy three.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
You could argue the Ja's lineup is a little bit deeper,
but again without Bashet, that's a little bit less true.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
It's hard arguing they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Really have the stars at the top or even like
the power like a lot of They have a lot
of guys that can hit home runs. Yankees just feel
like they can hit a few more. That comes down
to it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Yeah, I just I'll pull this from our series preview,
which I do think people should check out. We've done
a lot of work on the graphics and tables on
this to prep you with like easy reference points. So
just for what it's worth, the Yankees were twelve in
the majors with a ninety eight d R a minus.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
That's slightly above average.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
The J's were twenty second with a one h two,
slightly below average D minus. The J's were a very
good hitting team, third in the majors at the RC
plus one ten. The Yankees were the best at one fourteen.
The Yankees also were by far the best hitting right
handers the blue Jays have four right handers. Yeah, so

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I think that's that's a pretty big disadvantage. The blue
Jays were the best at hitting lefties.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Yankees obviously will throw a couple lefties here. So my my,
I kind of struggled with the Yankees will win if
I was last at the doc. I think you guys
are both right on this. I said, if Jeff Hoffman
has an implosion, Jeff Hoffman has.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Been really good or really bad, and one game can
make yep such a difference in this and if he,
if he implodes, that's I feel like that could be
the series.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
This is like where again, the Yankee is just a
little bit better, Like David Bennar is just a little
less likely to implode than Jeff Hoffman. He might implode,
like he's very capable of imploding, but he's a little
less likely to implode than Jeff Hoffens well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
And they also, I look, all these guys are capable
of imploding.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
And I don't I mean any reliever, yes, but even
just this year, yes, Bednar, Yes, Devin Williams like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Luke Ever had won in the wildcard round.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Right exactly, h you know, but do I also feel
that way about Sir Anthony do Mingez and yari El Rodriguez,
probably even a little more, right, like just a touch more.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
So we'll see, we'll see the blue Jays will win.
If Patrick, I'm gonna go back to you because it
it you. You kind of did a tandem thing here.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
Yeah, uh so if you know exactly, we already talked
about it. But you know, for the Toronto Blue Jays,
their rotation, you know, double double colon s at style
Yankees and Yankees and Bullpen right, and it's the Yankees.
I think a big part of it is that it's quantity,

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right you you if you can get to Duval, if
you can get to Mark Lighter Junior, like yes, Weaver
blew up this, you know game, but like, if you can.
Aaron Boone was using his big main guys a lot
in this first series, and you know Bennar, I think
did he use Bennar all three games? It was if not,

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he definitely used in the first two.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Yes, he closed out, Yes he closed out the third game.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Right, so you know he's been heavy on those guys
like he can't keep you. It's a fine game. It's
a weird series. Spacing wise, but eventually they're gonna get tired.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
The good news is that Bennar has never worn down.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
He's never had l effects of overuse. Uh yeah, no,
I think that makes a lot of sense. I said,
they can dance between the rain drafts, which is basically
like their starters are not shut down. You know, as
good as a season Gossman had. It's gonna be. Guys
are gonna get on base. Can they get the double play?
Obviously he can do it. He's got a great splitter,

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he's got a great sinking fastball. He can get round balls.
Can they get out of those runners on base situation?

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
That's that's the question to me. And I think they're
going to give up hits.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
The Yankees are going to have runners on if if
Toronto can limit and mitigate that damage, they have a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
They have a really good offense they have.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
They have the kind of offense you know, Jeff, you
mentioned their power. Dalton Varshow is just like out here
slugging six hundred this year, and I don't you know, Look,
can they run into one and win games as long
as they can? If they can limit the Yankees to
a couple of runs, they can win these games. I
just don't know how many of these games end up

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seven to six kind of situations. Uh and and they
might need them to be seven to six because I
don't know. I guess I just see more potential outcomes
where the Yankees starters can can quiet the Blue Jays
lineups than vice versa.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
But Jeff, we'll go to you. The Blue Jays will
win if.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Tray Savage is a little bit better than Cam Schlilller.
I think again, you got to flip one game, right,
so they have the ability to throw your Savage multiple times.
I don't know if they're going to. They're sure they're
probably going to pitch once because he just pitched yesterday.
So they need they need, Like if I were to
bet on any starting pitcher on the Jay, is just

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like shutting down the Yankees for five or six innings.
It's your Savage, and they might need him to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Who's starting Game one for the Yankees?

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Let me see if they have announced that yet. I
don't know if they have.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
I don't think they have.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
I think our preview use Louis Heel.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
I would assume it's Heel.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
So I mean, look, they the Blue Jays have a
chance right off the bat right here, right, Not that
Louis Hill can't be good, but he also walked thirteen
and a half percent this year without the.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Sights that usually help one sixty seven, it's very limited.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
But you know they have a chance right there. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
So if let's say they win game one and it's
Freed against the Savage in Game two at home, like he.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Needs to beim Cam Schlitzer from yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Basically, and I think that's what it's gonna like he
can throw too in five then, right, or I guess
it'll probably be Gousman with the one and five. It
would probably be be available for Game five on regular
rest because they have two days.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Off, right, But then you're gonna have right then the
the Yankees will not go back to heel almost certainly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
They will go to Freed on yep, on regular.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Like if it gets the five, then it's all bets
are off anyway, so.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Right right, Yeah, I mean I think that's they.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
I think the thing is like we say the Blue
Jays will win if and I don't know that it
makes a difference, but they kind of have to win
the Louis Heel game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Sure, right, I think. Yeah, so that takes us to predictions.
I'll let you guys go first.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
I can mind doesn't really make sense, and I'll justify
it later. But why don't you go first? Patrick, I
took Yankees in four. I just think the power will
show up. I don't know, I don't I know, judge
postseason narrative and all that tired stuff. But this team
can hit, and they're not gonna just hit three home

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runs in three games.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Yep, Jeff.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
Also, the Blue Jays have a lot of right hated pictures.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
It's all the right. Yeah, I agree with that for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
I think it's Yanks in five. I don't like. I
think this is a very close series. I just I
don't like. I don't think the Jays Penn is quite
good enough to hold any leagues they get, and like
they're gonna do a lot of moving part stuff, but like,
you really need Bobbashadowy hitting third in this lineup, so
you're not mucking around with David Schneider and Addison Barser

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and whoever else. Ernie, Ernieklement, I mean erdy clements Gon
play their way is the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
But yeah, so look, I think the Yankees are the better. Yeah,
but Toronto.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Yeah, it's in Toronto. Yeah, we're just gonna keep going.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
We're just gonna keep going. They won the division.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
It's been going on as long as the show has
at this point, I don't know if it's a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
Is it a bit?

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
I don't know if it's a it's been a bit
at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Yeah, I don't know. I've lost I've lost sense of
where I am. Yeah, within this Toronto and four, why not,
let's go, Let's go, let's go, Jason, Okay, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
I don't have that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
I think I think the righty's allowing the Yankees to
play all their lefties.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
I think that's their better lineup. I think that's a
real tough ask. But you know what, maybe it's just
their year. I don't have a good justification. I'm just
I'm going with my heart on this one. Okay, let's
go to our second series, a series close to Patrick's heart.
The Tigers are going to visit the Mariner. I know

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Patrick was disappointed not to get the Guardians.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
I mean, it would have been nice, it would.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Have been nice. Let's go. The Tigers will win if again,
I didn't know how much. We were going to cover
the prior series. So I said, they don't run into
outs at third base, that run take runs off the board.
They are a very aggressive base running team. I don't know. Look,
you guys, you guys took up. You know, Patrick, you
can you can speak.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
About that very yeah, you know. I'm I filled this
talk out at like one thirty in the morning, and
I was like, you know what, I'm gonna take the chock.
I'm gonna school gets two starts because of how this
you know television, uh and uh. Because of that, like
basically they can win those two games. And so you

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just need to bat it one more. I don't know
who you do it against, because Luis Castillo, I guess yeah,
you just have to hope you get him, you get
ten hits off him in six innings or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Although who is the who is the Tigers the starter?

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
Well, it probably is gonna be kind of Martera.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
That's a tougher.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
I mean, yeah, you can bab at Luis Castillo, but
like it's kinder Montero.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
He'll start stretch.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
I mean fine, Sawyer Gibson mung is still abilible.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
It also like it pains me to say, but like,
Seattle has a very solid lineup. I don't you know, Yes,
he's been okay, but this is this is somehow, Yeah,
a deep Seattle lineup.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
It is somehow, Jeffrey, the Tigers will win if Lefty
show up this time, you will not hear the sentence
Dylan Dingler Homers to make it to one late in
a deciding game once again, I think, so, yeah, again,
you need Kerry Carpenter, you need Riley Green, you need

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the same thing on Zach mcinn'street in meadows, like.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
You know, as with the Blue Jays, the Mariner's pitching
staff also extremely right handed, which is a point in.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Finger, Yeah, it's a point. I just don't think there's
nothing of a point.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Well, this is where I struggled to find something for
The Tigers will win if because they're not as good.
I mean, like, even if you grant them schoobls two starts,
I still think they're behind right, and that's that's just
a tough spot to be. It's not that they can't,
but that's a tough spot to be. The Mariners will
win if I can lead off here, I just said

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the bats don't go silent. This is good, This is again,
this is against all odds, kind of a deep Mariner's lineup.
If they can show up at all, I think they
win this. I think they have the ability to steal
a schooble start.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
I don't. I won't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
I think you can grant the Tigers those starts, but
I'm not going to. I mean, the guy almost lost
to the Guardians in a second street.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
You know, how do starle against either? But I don't
know Gilbert or Kirby starting the first game of this series.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
And yeah, Patrick, do you have a eat on that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
But either it's not like a huge.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
It's not a huge advantage given the lineup difference to Yeah,
and the marriage don't really platoon at all.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
No, no, it was whether it was whether.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
Gilbert or Kirby was Oh no, it no idea. And honestly,
when I when I filled it out, I was like, oh,
I you know they have decided yet I looked at
the projections identical. I mean the there is like three
hundreds of a point difference between Yeah. So I was like,
I'm not going to feel bad. I pick Kirby because
Kirby just had the slightly better last couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Yeah, I was gonna say close to.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
The but that's it. That's the only difference.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
So that's I think that that's if they don't go again.
They don't even have to. I don't think they have
to be loud. I think they just have to not
be silent, and the Mariners can can walk away with
this series, Patrick, your Mariners.

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
Will, Yeah, I picked them in four. I think the
Mariners get like I think they lose the school will
start in doo't gate to the second school start.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
This might might interpretation and Jeffrey, it's the same thing.
It's the same idea.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Yeah, they gotta again, They're gonna outside the right. It's
a lot of kider Montero and Casey Myias and Jack Flaherty, Right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Which takes us to predictions. Patrick and I agree to
Seattle in four. I honestly like to your point, Patrick,
if they get the first Schoobol start, this could be
Seattle in three.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
I think this is going to be a tough series
for Detroit. I think Seattle is a is a very
good team. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Jeffrey Felt felt differently, It's not about the last statement,
but about the prediction.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
This is, uh your Blue Jays.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Is this your Blue It is in a way like
there's always one team that just kind of funcks their
way to the championships. And I just have a I
have a weird feeling about I said this, like with
the I just have a weird feeling about this Tiger's team.
And look, tex Google can win a series by himself,
like you know, I just think like he can't hit.

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Though he can't, but I think I'm looking forward to
another conversation after this series about whether or not they're
going to extend him because only has one year left.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
Yeah, yeah, I mean this this lineup is better than
previous Tigers lineups, like Dingler being a competent hitter.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Oh, I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
I didn't go McKinstry being decent, Riley Green like there's
there's it's, it's all. It's at least seventy And if
hobby or bias is just gonna hit now you know which.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Yeah, I don't know that that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
I don't know if it's true. Pitchers might throw a
pitch out of the zone, they might consider trying it. Yeah,
you know, I the Tigers. I didn't go through this
at the top. Like I did the other series. The
Tigers had a ninety seven d r A minus that's
actually quite good, seventh in the league.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
The Seattle's better third in the league. They had a
ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
The Tigers had a ninety nine DRC plus, again just
a hair under league average, but it was fifteenth. It
was league average.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
In ranking. The Mariners again top six offense one oh
five DRC plus six in in the league. So that's
your basic breakdown there. Uh and again, even if you
want to go to relievers, the Mariners had the second
best reliever relief corep in terms of dr A minus
Tigers nineteenth. So, uh, there you have it. We'll go

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to the NL.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
We'll start with the Dodgers and Phillies. I'm just gonna
say off the top, I think these are the two
best teams in the playoffs. I think you can you
can work the Mariners in there, you can potentially work
the Yankees in there. But I think these are the
two best teams in the playoffs. So I think this
will be a really fun series. We'll start with the Dodgers.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
The Dodgers will win. If I said, if the starters
go six plus, I think they have to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
I think, as well, we'll get to it. But I
think they will. But you can't see a lot of
this bullpen.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Yeah you can't.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
He just can't.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
I mean, look Emmett Shean came in and went in
and talk about it. He came in in the in
the second game of the series and looked horrible. Yeah,
I think he can fix that. But I thought he's
like that. He might, I said. I think, I said,
he might have been the skeleton key to this playoff
run because he can go multiple innings.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
We didn't see justin Rubleski. Maybe he can save them.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Maybe Blake Trining's better now I don't think is just
that guy. Maybe Roki Ssaki is just the closer Now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
I don't know. Will Clayton Kershall be on this roster
and pitching in leverage moments terrifying?

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
But maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
But if the starters go six seven innings and they
only and they need three guys to get three outs
and then Roki Sasaki, maybe they can do that. The
flip side is I think Patrick said this in our
in a in a either in our chat or or
somewhere in slack or whatever. But but the Phillies are

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not going to leave all those runners on that the
Red Sox did. And that's that's the scary part, right,
I mean, like they made it close enough against the
Reds and and the Phillies won't. The Phillies are going
to do damage where where the Reds weren't able to.
So I think the starters have to go six Patrick.

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The Dodgers will win if yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
On the same logic. I mean, they will have to
go to the bullpen eventually, right, and so will Roberts
be creative about it. The time for sticking, the time
for giving, you know, building up Tanner. Scott's confidence is
over right, you know he just like that was the thing,
that category that characterized that last month of the season

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of just him trying to push through and get trying
and Scott to just find their you know, find their
happy place or whatever it took for them to be
good again. They're done. Like it's it's time to do
what they did to Kimberl and just go, Okay, you guys,
I can't trust you at all anymore. And that means
for Bleski, that means Kershaw, that means guys, maybe maybe

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going towards a model where you're just trying to get
two innings out of these guys instead of one and
trying to patch it over that way so you can
get to Sasaki in the ninth and just get there
whoever you can.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
Yeah, Jeffrey, the Daughters will win.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
If twenty twenty four playoff Tommy Edmund shows up. This
is more just like again, this is I just didn't
want to say the right E's are going to have
to hit, but the righties are going to have to hit.
You're going to see and it doesn't happen to specifically Edmund, right,
it could be as Taoskar. Yeah, they got to keep
doing what they were doing in the in the Red

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series because like, look, do I think Shoheo Tani and
Freddi Freeman can get Theirs against the Delice lefties? Yes,
but those are pretty good lefties.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
They're they're they're very good lefties. Yeah, And just to
give kind of the reset at the top, the Phillies
had by far, by far the best dor A minus
and baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
They don't they don't have Zach Wheeler.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
They don't have Zach Wheeler. But it was eighty five. Yeah,
their starting pitchers were seventy seven it's just disgusting.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
The Dodgers were very solid ninety three overall second third
in baseball. Their starting pitchers were a ninety second in baseball.
They were thirteen points worse.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
And they had to use a lot of like Matt
sour where the thing is sour.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
But yeah, and look, the rotation is healthy and it's
been very good down the stretch. Dodgers one ten t
r C plus third in all of baseball, the Phillies
one oh four eighth in.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
All of baseball. They've been better since Harrison Vader has.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Come over, and just I don't know if he's going
to continue to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
I don't know either, but he's been It's been meaningful.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Right, I think I do think we saw this last
year in the match series, like you can pitch this
Phillies lineup, like it's still good, but you can pitch
you can.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
I I do think it's better with with Beader there,
Tray Turner obviously healthy now has had a had a
much better year overall. I think you know, Bryces and
Scott had a crazy good second half.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
He did the ball now imagine that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Yeah, yeah, and and look but there are there are
spots you can if you can look, Blake Snell is
going to be able to pitch to to some of
these too, Nick Cassanos instead of Max Kefler or whatever
that's he's They're probably fine with that. And Mundo Sosa
pretty good off the bench as a as a you know,
against a lefty kind of thing. I do think one

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interesting kind of just roster thing is show they've anounced
Shoyotani is gonna be the first first pitcher for game one.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Game two, they have Tyler Glastow is not pitched. It's
gonna be a while obviously.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Even if he pitches on in game two on Monday,
Blake Snell will also be on six days rest on Monday.
That's an interesting choice. I don't know that it matters
in terms of game five. Otani will come back in
game five on six days rest, but it's an interesting
choice to see whether you want to go Blake snelling

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game two or what you want to do, because if
you bump last now, there's then another off day, then
Yamamoto's ready. I think you have to throw Yamamoto when
he's ready. How long do you want to hold out
on Tyler klass now, right? I think that's an interesting
kind of decision that they have to make. We don't
know what they're gonna do the Phillies. The Phillies will win.
If I was last to this doc, I don't know

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how strongly I have conviction in this, but I said,
if they avoid a major defensive yah. And the reason
I said this is you go back to our reset
in our series and you look at DRP. They're minus
twelve and a half. They were twenty fifth in Baseball
in defense, you know, in defense by our metrics. Again,

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Harrison Bader. Help Brandon marsh in a corner versus with
data in center, even though he's not elite in center anymore,
but he's even being average too, slightly above and getting
Marsh in a corner is a big win. They get
less Nick Castaianos, all of that kind of stuff. The

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Dodgers weren't great. They were at minus point five on
the season. I also think they are in better shape
defensively then they've been, mostly because they're not playing Michael Pinfordo.
They subm in. I don't know if Justin Dean will
be on this roster, but they've subbed in Justin Dean
in the Cincinnati series. They can sub in Alex Call

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if they need to. I just think, you know, we'll
see again.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Alex Baum has been not as bad as he's been
previously defensively, but there are still a number of defensive
question marks on this team.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
Well, Will Smith might not be there. That's that's your
biggest one, right, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Well, I was talking about the Phillies. But Will Smith, Yeah, right,
Will Smith.

Speaker 4 (01:23:10):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
That's the other part in terms of of what got
the Dodgers to a negative DRP is Will Smith's framing
is a big part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
That's a great point. I don't know what his situation
will be.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
I also think he kind of whatever he takes away defensively,
getting another big right handed bat in the lineup is
probably a benefit for the Dodgers too, so like I
think that's probably a somewhat even trade off.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
But but yeah, we'll see. You know, Tree Turner had
another had a nice defensive season.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Actually, I feel like somewhat surprisingly, you're not supposed to
get better as you age, especially at shortstop, but but
he had a nice bounce back here.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
We'll see. I think this is going to be a
very even series.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
And if there's a big defensive gaff in a game
or two, like Taosters in the game two of the
Sinci series. I don't know if whoever commits it is
going to be able to recover in that game, And
obviously that means a lot patrick the Phillies.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
Will win if yeah, well, this is again on the
same logic of the bullpen. Do you want to get
to the bullpen? So obviously they want to work. We
want to work long favorable counts. You want to get yourself,
you know, get those starters, like we have an actual
chance for old fashioned pitch count watching, you know, getting
getting the starter out right rather than started lifting themselves

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out because of their time through penalty. But also because
the Phillies you know, like get those favorable counts so
you have better hitting chances, right, Like they're not. This
is I don't feel like the Phillies are a team
that can succeed. I mean, I've looked at the numbers,
but it doesn't seem like a two strike team, right.
Schwarber can head a home run any account, But like
you're Alec Bohms and you're your thirty four year old JT.

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Real Mudos need the help of knowing it's a fastball coming,
rather than you know, trying to trying to hit one
of any of these Dodgers pitchers out pitches.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
Yep, Jeffrey.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
If the daughter's bullpen is actually this bad, like I
you can't, they might be like you can't, just you cannot.
In the playoffs, just throw up a five spot in
the seventh inning to your opponents and they're capable.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
Of doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
It helps if you had ten runs.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
It does. But I think you know, again, these are
two fairly evenly matched teams. They're two very good teams,
and you're trying to swing a game one way or
the other, yep. And that may involve just you know,
Tanner Scott getting his tipch.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
Lit not seeing Tanner Scott was the second best part of.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Who are you least looking forward to watching out of
the pen in this series?

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Greg Man, There are so many, so many options.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Is it Alex Vessia throwing ninety two?

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
Don't?

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
It's honestly like the fact of the matter is he's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Because of the.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
Scott Scott. Yeah, I'm sorry, I can't. I can't even
get creative with it. It's just Tanner Scotta. It also
might be Blake Trenton for the seventh consecutive game. I
don't know. Maybe, well, we'll see when we get there.
That brings us to our predictions. We all agreed. Yeah, uh,

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Dodgers in five from all of us, do we want
to speak to Look, this could really go.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
It could it could.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
It would not surprise me if the Phillies won in three,
four or five.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Like, I whatever, the I don't know if it'll actually
be five game. I think the Dodgers are just rounding
into form at the right time, right sure, And they
have the starting pitching depth where like it doesn't matter
they're not perfectly lined up because they have Sho Tani
in game one, right, Like winning in two helps to
because the would have used him in game three and
they would have started Glass now game one. But again

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they have four, like they have.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
The tragedy, the tragedy of starting Tyler Glass now like
this is the year.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
They have more starting pitching depth in the Phillies, which
is funny, right, Like Nola hasn't been great, and like
is Taiwan Walker starting one of these games?

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
No? I assume it would be Nola, but I also
assume they're going to start.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Yeah, they don't have to day off after game one, right, yeah, okay, right,
I think in our they do so have to start
Aaron Nola, No, no, not not they might not have
to Lizardo. Yeah yeah, right, yeah, yeah, I'm worrying me
a little bit, but like probably better chasing me up.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Yeah. I mean, like Lizardo could come out and get rocked,
and he could also throw seven Indians twelve strikeouts in
a walk and it wouldn't neither.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
He could throw a three good innings that Rob Thompson's like,
all right, you're out of there, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
I think the other thing about this, you know, the
Phillies bullpen is good, but it's it's spoor deep. Yeah,
it's spoor.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Deep because they're miss Sine Jose Alvarado for the player
off and you know it is it's Yandron, Yeah, Matt Strom,
Ryan Kirk Green and Tanner Banks and David Robertson.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Is in this mix.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
But let's say that's the other thing, right, Like, obviously
the Dodgers' bullpen has just been a disaster for Mons,
but again, on paper, it's better than the Phillies bullpen.
They get it together.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
If you so the problem with using d r A.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Is d r A thinks Tanner Scott had a great year, right,
you know, like that is and yeah, that that's a
problem with it. But if you get past David Robertson
on this depth chart, yeah it's Luke Trevino and Tim Mason.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
You shouldn't have to, like Sanchez goes.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Is Walker Bueller going to be in the I don't know,
but like that's well, you say you shouldn't have to,
but again, if you want to, sometimes these guys are aggressive.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
I wonder this could.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Also just be the old school baseball fans dream series
and that neither of their managers want to pull these
starters aggressively. You know, no one wants to be Mike
Chill even though no one has that bullpen. But they
also have much better starters. So yeah, hard hard to say.
Let's go to our last series, another divisional matchup. We

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get the Cubs at the Brewers. The Cubs will win
if Patrick.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
This to me feels like and we haven't had any
of these series yet, I feel like this is just
going to be a Haymaker series. If the Milwaukee Brewers
are going to win, I don't I have a hard
time getting Like I filled out the preview or for
last night, like loaded up the teams and I was like, oh,
we've got Jose Kintana, number number three starter.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
That terrified me. I didn't I didn't know that was
the case, to be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
Well, in maybe, Chad Patrick, if that would makes you
feel better, I don't know. If it makes me feel better, yeah,
I don't know. But it's after Quinn Priester started starting
the game two.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Rookie top five strikeout pitcher Chad Patrick.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Well, but also like.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
I'm not trying to dump on on the guy, but like,
this is why I hated the All Star Game than
for Jacob. He went to the All Star Game and
they don't even trust him over Hosick.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Well, I got to say, as a Mets fan, I
felt great they decided to work him in as a
fireman in the second to last game the season, bringing
when the bases loaded. That that made me feel great.
But yeah, like, yeah, I don't. Look, man, I've never
thought he was that good.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
No, I know, But I'm not trying to dump on him.
But it's like, doesn't this tell you what the team
thinks right now? Too? And it doesn't mean he won't
be good in the future or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:30:51):
But I just, yeah, I think I think the I
think the Cubs will score four or five runs a
game in this series, and that means the milwaukeepers need
to score five or six runs a game, and they can.
They have done that. They need a lot of what
they do to make that work. And to be fair,

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the Cubs pitching, like, I don't think this is a
lotsided series because the Cub pitching also is very capable.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Yeah, and just to give you that reset here, the
Cubs pitching was bang on league average one hundred for
dr minus.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
The Brewers were sixth, but ninety six. It's not that
big a gap.

Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
And the Cubs are starting Culin Ray and that's that's
a problem or Hobvier Asade, but probably Colin Ray.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
The Cubs DRC plus one ten tied for third in
the league. The Brewers ninety.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Nine just lea average fifteen in the league. So you know,
this is can the Cubs line up out do the
Brewers pitching, And the fact that the Brewers pitching is
you know, it was six, but you're not getting some
of the guys. You're not getting Brandon woodruff out there. Right,
you're getting Jose and you're getting the priest.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Wasn't bad, but yeah, how great do you feel about that?

Speaker 4 (01:32:11):
Zachers really would for this, And I know that the
Cubs are down Horton as well, But.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
It also feels like if if Milwaukee can't win Freddy
Peralta versus Colin right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, uh, Jeffrey, if Matt Arnold's ship
doesn't work in the playoffs, I don't know if you can.
I don't know if you can do what they do
in the playoffs normally. And I think they got here
bases versus based on I should say, very good sequencing,

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and like it's tougher to sequence in the playoffs. It's tougher,
like because all of a sudden you get a guy
thrown out at third base, like you said in the
trying to stretch yep, verst the third and a tight game, right,
like I think strategy Champ, you've seen more bunting for
the Brewers will bunt. They see a lot like Isaac
Collins up there bunting, sow Frey like up there bunting.

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They do have a college coach as their manager, so uh,
Like it's tough, right because then Michael Bush can hit
a three run homer and like not they don't have
guys that can hit homers. They do, I mean it's
Contrara Centurio mostly, but yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
Yeah, I mean I've been saying this since they're they're
win streak, But like, if Caleb Durban is going to
hit a home run, yeah, if Isaac Collins is going
to hit.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
A home run, this team is going to be really
really formidable. I don't know if they will. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
They certainly can against Colin Ray, yeah, certainly should be
able to against Jameson Tyne when his turn comes up.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Ni Managa is can be Society him.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
And will let up some home runs for sure. Right,
So that's that's a yeah for the.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
For they do, like especially against this Cub's pen that
strikes out a lot of guys. They make a lot
of contact.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
Yep, yep. I I said the Cubs will win if
gets his hits, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Think, well, I'm just saying if you think that, I mean,
I know what I would pick for my prediction.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
Well, no, I said, if he gets his hits, then.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
I don't think he's going to is what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
Okay, I just but he was crucial in in the
Cubs winning Game three. He was he was also crucial
in the Cubs losing Game two, right like, this is
this is a question. They also again I go back
to that kind of Mike Shult move about bringing in
Adrian morejone. They forced him into a decision. They forced

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Counsel into a decision that he did not take PCA
out and he really probably should have.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
Right, Yeah, it's it's gonna be tough. The defense is
so good, right like they have outfielders.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
But also yeah, no, they're worse with him out of
the game.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
But they also if if he's up in a crucial
situation where the Brewers bring in a lefty, you know,
and they have them, they can bring it. They can
bring in Aaron Ashby early and get an up down
out of him. They can probably get an updout out
of Jared Canaan. So they have these options, and they

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could put him into they could put Counsel into a
box on on PCI. Now he wasn't willing to take
him out in the fourth inning in in this series,
I think he might have to be willing to do
it in in the in the NLDS. I do because
I don't know that PCA is going to hit left

(01:35:36):
these and he's obviously been expanding against everyone. But if
he gets the hit, I think those hits, I think
the Cubs are going to be really hard to beat.
That's basically all I'm saying. It's not really trenchant insight.
But if he if he hits, they're a really hard
team to be Ah, So that takes just to the Brewers.
The Brewers will win. If I'll start with Jeffrey the

(01:36:00):
time I have been throwing a Patrick First.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
Yeah, Trevor McGill is healthy. It looked you look pretty good.
And Sunday the one getting pitch and back and just
lengthening that ballpen a little bit so they don't have
to throw hose Kintana six seven innings, right, they can
get Freddy Perrault out of five and dive if they
need to. They can kind of do a little bit
of Padre's light here. M Pat McGill like just allows

(01:36:22):
him to move everyone, like, push everyone back, push everyone down,
and youth ashby as a fireman and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
Yep, Patrick, Yeah, So uh, threwers have home field avtage obviously,
and in this case it might actually be advantageous because
the Cubs play in Chicago on the eighth and ninth
of October. The weather this weekend in Chicago is eighty
eight degrees and by the time those two games start,

(01:36:50):
it's going to be sixty five and sixty six, and
that could be a factor because basically Milwaukee needs home
runs to not be able to happen. You know, if
you're if you're still trying to get those six five
and suddenly you know the ball's not flying out of
the parklike it hasn't been in most of these series,
then it's a lot more believable that Milwaukee gets to

(01:37:10):
six than the Cubs. This lineup singling their way to five.
I think mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
I had to. I really struggled on this one. It's
not because I don't think the that Milwaukee can win.
It's just so I'm going with they pull off bullpen chaos,
which is really just a kind of a corollary to
what Jeff said with mcgil in tow But I don't
think they're gonna be able to stick with any of
these any of the non paralta starters all that deep

(01:37:43):
into the game. I mean, could you get six innings
from Quinn Priester. I guess so.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
But I think we're gonna need to see kind of
multi inning appearances from Aaron Ashby, from maybe from Kanegg
from Jacob Misarowski. Right, he's gonna have to come out
of the bullpen and throw. Uh, We're gonna see Abner
Uribe and Trevor McGill to close things out. I think
they have a twenty twenty four tigers Ish bullpen in

(01:38:09):
terms of the numbers of number of guys who can
throw multiple Indians. They have a bunch, you know, they
have their lefties and their righty's. I mean, maybe we'll
see Chad Patrick for multiple Innians. Maybe we'll see Tobias
Myers for multiple Innians.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
For these pockets, right, Like, that's what what aj Hinch
and Detroit were doing last year, finding pockets of guys
to use this against. And if they can pull that off,
they can win this. Yeah, which shakes us to our predictions.
I don't. I don't even have one. I don't know.
This is hard, This is hard for me to choose.

(01:38:43):
I I don't. I can go back and forth. It's
I guess I'm gonna go the Cubs. I guess, I'll,
I will. You both picked the Cubs also, I will.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
I guess I'm gonna say Cubs in four because I
think two pre Freddy Pearolta starts if we get to
five Freddy Pearlton.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
Might give give them Milwaukee an advantage.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
So I'm gonna agree with Patrick and say Cubs in four.
I just think this lineup is really good for sure, Patrick, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
I loaded, you know again, loading the previews. Pakoda really
favors the Cubs. I think it is sixty forty in
favor of the Cubs, which that's with two Paralta starts.
I I again, I don't understand the Brewers, and I
will accept that that is probably a weakness on my part.
But it's just so much easier to visualize the Cubs

(01:39:34):
scoring their five runs. And so I'm just gonna go
with the Cubs in four.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Yeah, I realized you just said this. I didn't do
the Pakoda odds for any of these series. I'm so
good at hosting a podcast, you guys, I'm so good
at it. So I'm gonna go back real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Dodgers, I thought you were going to do that at
the end of the AI and then just never did it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
Well, I should have said something. I should probably be
in the dock, you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Wow, fair enough, everyone's very tired.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Craig.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
It's my fault. It is absolutely my fault. I can
put it in the doc too. I just said, it's
not that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
The Dodgers are favored over the Phillies fifty six percent
to forty four percent, as Patrick mentioned, sixty forty in
favor of the Cubs. I'll go back to the Mariners
are heavily favored at sixty nine percent to thirty one
over Detroit, and the the Blue Jays are not favored.
I'm sorry. The Yankees are favored fifty three percent to

(01:40:34):
forty seven percent. So I think I think we gave
you a sense of that, even if we didn't throw
the numbers out there. So, yeah, Jeffery, you have the
Cubs in five.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Yeah, I think this is gonna be like it should
be tight. This should be it should be tight. But
like I feel like it's gonna be tight and just
not interesting. It's just gonna be Cubs Padres again with
and again. I feel like the Brewers bullpen is like
Padre's light and are they going to it, Like it's
a little better offense than the Padres, But just I
don't know, man, this has been a weird season. I'm

(01:41:06):
not like I'm not looking forward to like I should
be looking forward to these series more than I am.
And two of them are Tigers Mariners and Cubs Ruers.
And again, like they earned it. They absolutely earned it
all of these teams. I mean, the Tiger's kind of
backed in, but like it's I don't know what is baseball?

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Sure, I'm with you on I think it's just really
hard for me to know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
I want to keep saying, like the Cubs have the
advantage on hitting, and then Milwaukee has an advantage against
the but.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
But when he shambles, when has doubting the Brewer has
ever gone wrong for baseball perspectives.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
But I also like the Cubs have a better lineup,
but the Ruers line up against like Colin Ray and
Jamison doesn't feel bad to me. If I'm if I'm
Awaukee fan, I would feel pretty good about that, And
I would actually feel good about it against.

Speaker 3 (01:42:06):
Schoda Managa too. You know, like this is not this
is a very beatable Cubs rotation. So I don't know. Somehow,
Matthew Boyd, who flagged badly in the second half, is
like the guy I feel absolutely the best about as

(01:42:26):
a Cubs starter. So I don't know. I don't know.
Let's take a break, a second break. You're getting a
second break, everybody, and we'll be back with the rest
of the rest of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
Welcome back to episode four hundred ninety six of five
and five, our fourth segment. Mister X managers, there is
a lot going on often. I said this to Patrick
and Ginny yesterday, But did teams used to hold this ship?

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
I think I get this during the playoffs, like they waited.

Speaker 4 (01:43:21):
To hire people.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
There used to be like more of a break between Well,
they're definitely the season and the start of the playoffs,
so you had more days like you if you were blackout,
Like some of these came out. A lot of these
came out on Monday, but a lot of them didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
All right, let's let me run it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Run it down here.

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
I'm just gonna run all of them down.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
We're an hour and forty five minutes in.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
So it's the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
Maybe lock in Brian Snicker retires, Yes, Tony Manzolino is
was the interim he's.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Still doing he's still interviewing.

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
Yeah, right, they might hire.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
Someone's mister interim manager, right.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
Bill Schmidt is as as general manager h. Warren Schaeffer
still the inner manager. The Rockies have said they will
hire from outside the organization.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
Who have the names overlinked that Levine and Adam McKay
both used to work for the Rockies, so technically outside
the organization, but they and one of them is Dayton Moore,
who is spiritually.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
God, I mean literally spiritually yes, well, yeah, the Angels.
Uh Ron Washington was he They already said he was
not coming back this season, but there are help well
there were health so I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
He said he said it wasn't health related.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
Oh okay, so he's fired. Ray Montgomery also was the.

Speaker 4 (01:44:50):
Like the fill in manager because he wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
Sure Rocball Delli was fired. Bob Melvin was fired or
just fired because they extended him yes this season and
then fired him, which is also true of Paul Deli.
I believe Bruce Bocci was mutually part of ways might
work for in the front office.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
Maybe the Giants have also offered him a front office position.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
Yeah, and then the Giant the Giants. The Mets had
a big coaching perge, Carlos Montoza not fired.

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
Yes, everyone else.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
Basically basically st the assistant pitching coach in the first
base coach.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
Okay, now what do we want to talk about, man?

Speaker 4 (01:45:34):
I mean, I don't know. I guess. First of all,
I think the first question is, like, did all these
guys deserve it in the sense that any manager deserves it, right?

Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
I mean, so you've got like the inner like I know,
the Orioles were better under Mansolina.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
They weren't really though, yeah they were, but the Orioles
still they really felt like the team that gets better
after they've got knocked out, and then they were just
still kind of like below five hundred, right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
I mean the specifically with the Nats and the Rockies,
you've got a situation where there's a new GM that's
going to want to pick this guy and has a
clean shot to pick it. I think if Bill Schmidt
stayed there, Warren Shaffer will get that job, and Shaffer's
while with the.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
Organization psychologies, Miguel Cairo is not.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
So I think those gms are going to want to
pick their guy. It sounds like Texas is just going
to hire a Skip Schumacher. You know, he's been in
reserve there now for a year or so. I don't
know what the Giants are going to do, Like boc
was like the obvious hot rumor off the back of it,
But it doesn't sound like it's going to manage.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
No. They yeah, especially came out and said we welcome
him in the organization.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
But I have no idea. I have no idea whatter
post he is going to do here.

Speaker 4 (01:46:49):
So y.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Beyond that, like I mean, the Angels are just the
Angels are just going to do this again with a
different man, maybe Eric Chavez. I guess it could be
Albert Pooholes probably, that's what it sounds like.

Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
He's already morenos preferred, and I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
Know is already paying him?

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
So right, I was gonna say, is he preferred for
that reason or because he's Albert Pooholes.

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
Or maybe a little both something else. Yeah, I don't
I don't know what the Braves are going to do here.
I don't know what the Twins are going to do here.
I guess like it's Baldelli, the one that maybe it
was done unfairly, but he's been there while he's the

(01:47:35):
most unfair.

Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
But also they've underperformed, and I can't really blame them.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
The ownership's talking about short term pain a lot recently.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
I don't I don't think Baldelli is a bad manager.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
I don't think it's unfair to him if that makes
you know what I mean? Like it is it is
both fair given the way things have gone. I don't
think that's entirely his fault, and I also don't think
he is This is.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
The time when you fire your manager.

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
Yeah, that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
Run, it's it's probably time for a different voice in
the room. It might be sure for them, specifically a
cheaper voice.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
You say it's a different voice, that might literally be
Toby garden Higher.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
So is it really what?

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
What's the Triple A manager? I'm pretty sure I don't
even know who?

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
I mean, I know because of his name.

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
Yeah, like what, like.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
Whom's does Toby garden Higher?

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
You know what I mean? Well, I mean he'll be
shocked to learn he played in the Twins organization from
two thousand and five to twenty eleven, topping out Triple
A Craig.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
Okay, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Yeah, I believe he's currently their Triple A manager.

Speaker 4 (01:48:45):
You were not going to remember who managed the twenty
twenty six Minnesota Twins. Oh yeah, like is a black
hole from which no information could He's.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Been the Saint Paul manager since twenty twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:48:56):
Yeah, I mean, I guess the thing is, like you're saying, like, well, Rock,
do you think he'll get get hired this There are
a lot of open.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
It sounds like the Orioles might be targeting Ryan Flaherty,
who's like the hot managerial candidate in the cycle.

Speaker 4 (01:49:08):
Like Schumacher courses in Texas.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
Yeah, I mean I've already said shot diff bald Delli
went to San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (01:49:14):
Or I was gonna say, he kind of fits San
Francisco to me.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
He does, like, I don't know, could be the Nats.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
Yeah, I could see that he's worked under ownership like
that before.

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
Sure, Sure, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
I think he feels like the most likely of the
names we're talking about to get a new job.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
Yeah, I don't know. I struggle to see the other
options here. Yeah, which takes us to our game.

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
Patrick, all right, so what we're gonna do on this one?
This is called the twenty twenty five Taylor Trammel Trammell
Taylor Trammell Award contenders. This was a reader submitted gift
gained by Kurt Otins, So thank you Kurt. There are
and you know Kurt sent this four days ago. We didn't.

(01:50:04):
It came in like right after the last episode podcast. Yeah,
and so for days have changed a lot in terms
of who is eligible for this award. But the idea
here is that, yeah, in the sense that three four
teams have been.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
Eliminated, who can get.

Speaker 4 (01:50:19):
So check yourself back in time to players who could
have been eligible for Taylor Tamil. I think three of
the players on this list, maybe four of them are
still eligible more than half.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
Like you said, it's just like who would have.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
Yeah, So you're I'm going to give you a player
and you just have to tell me which two postseason
count eligible teams they played for this year. So we're
gonna go win the booth for this one. It should
be real quick. It's just nine players, so Jeff, you
can go first. All right, So, Jeff, which two teams
did Walker Bueller play for this year?

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
Red Sox and Phillies.

Speaker 4 (01:50:58):
Okay, Dustin May.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
Red Sox and Dodgers, Carlos Santana. Uh, Guardians, I can
see swimming on this out. Uh yeah, where there I
should Guardians, Guardians and Mariners?

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Find out Will Wagner. Will Wagner is eligible for this.
I guess he is, isn't he. Jason Padres, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:51:29):
You under a skill miss Oh god, hard and hurry
didn't I was like, oh, this seems kind of little,
maybe too easy for using like that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
I couldn't tell you one TV played for this.

Speaker 4 (01:51:43):
I guess, well, I can tell you played for nine
games total.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
Oh my god, this feels like God, it feels like
Jason Mariners. Someone can say Jason Mariners.

Speaker 4 (01:51:58):
Jose Ringan.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:52:03):
This is the final exam of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
The Reds, Reds, Reds. Did he get to an even
get into a game with the Dodgers? Did he Reds
and Dodgers?

Speaker 4 (01:52:19):
Okay? Uh? Michael Fohmer.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Christ again, I don't know if I can name one
team Michael Fohmer played for this year, Like, who just
played Cubs? Cubs? She definitely was on the Cubs.

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
And then.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
Hmmm, god, it's not the Padres. Padres don't like every
labor but it's not the Padres. Yeah, I think it's
like Cubs in Red Sox. I think it's Cubs in
Red Sox.

Speaker 4 (01:53:03):
Okay, Buddy Kennedy.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Angels, Legend also Diamondbacks. Either of those teams made the
playoffs this year. Okay, uh man Cheels like Red Sox
and Red so I don't think it was the Red

(01:53:29):
Sox and Guardians. Feels like the Guardians could have picked
him up. Red Sox and Guardians, why not? All right?

Speaker 4 (01:53:33):
And lastly, Carlos Hernandez.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
Which Carlos Hernandez the Royals, the one the one that
not like the one that throws hard. Let me throwing
aspect from like twenty nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
Yeah, there is only one Carlos Hernandez in baseball, right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
The picture he is the is the foremer the picture. Okay,
I just didn't I didn't know, no, no, fair, fair.

Speaker 4 (01:53:58):
I think that's enough of a hint. The former Royal
the only time I could think of him.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
Yeah, I just I know he played for Atlanta too,
who obviously didn't make the and then I kind of
lost track of him after that, if I'm honest, But
he does throw hard, So I'm gonna say Reds and Tigers.

Speaker 4 (01:54:15):
Okay, Craig is not there. We go. You guys are
never looking at the camera, and yet he still knows
to put the headlts on it. It's some sort of
radio magic that I've never understood.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
The difficulty curve on this one is fun, right, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:54:29):
So Greg, the way it's gonna work, just telling you
the scoring Jeff got four correct out of nine, and
he got half of one. So we're gonna use the
four is the scoring system, and then the halves as
the tie breakers. So, Craig, which teams did Walker Buehler

(01:54:49):
play for this year?

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
The Phillies and the Red Sox.

Speaker 4 (01:54:54):
Dustin May, the Red Sox and the Dodgers, Carlos Santana,
Carlos Santana, Cleveland?

Speaker 3 (01:55:05):
And where did he go?

Speaker 4 (01:55:11):
This is? This is where it?

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Yeah, And I allowed to look at him.

Speaker 4 (01:55:15):
I apologized. If you've got two halves, got two halves
that game?

Speaker 3 (01:55:19):
So does that mean he's at five or what? You know?
Tiebreakers are?

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
I know you love half points and games.

Speaker 4 (01:55:30):
I want whoever gets five right? Yes, somebody got four
right and got two halves. That's the that's the reason.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
Four and three halves right?

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
Oh? He played for the Cups.

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
Okay, Will Wagner, okay, Blue Jays and Padres you endress Gomez, Yeah, Dodgers.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
I believe he played for the Dodgers. I guess was
he with the Yankees to start the I'll say Yankees.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
Congratulations five for five?

Speaker 3 (01:56:04):
Yeah, I know he showed up for the Dodgers.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
I mean that's yeah, wow, leg he was on a
lot of teams, generally impressive performance. Let's finish it off,
jose your.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
Oh, Blue Jays, he was on a lot of teams.
Detroit and Detroit and Toronto was Toronto and not this year?

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
Fuck well, I.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
Didn't pitch the Dodgers.

Speaker 4 (01:56:27):
Toronto is this year?

Speaker 3 (01:56:28):
Detroit was not?

Speaker 4 (01:56:29):
This year was last year? He Dodgers. So yeah, so
he just Blue Jays sort.

Speaker 3 (01:56:36):
Died by the sword, I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:56:38):
Michael Fulmer, whoa yeah, excuse for we'll put a pin
in Fulmer. We'll get back to him.

Speaker 3 (01:56:46):
But go ahead and say, no, idea, I don't know that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:51):
I don't because he pitched in one game for one
of these teams, in two games to the other.

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
Did you, Jeff, did you get either of these? No?

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
He did not, I did not.

Speaker 4 (01:56:59):
You didn't pay Oh no, wait no, he no, you did?

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
You got to have one? Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna say
I'm gonna say Toronto. These are pure guests. I want
to be clear.

Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
I deserve no credit for any of And if I
happened to stumble upon you already won man, And I'm
gonna say, no, the Sure, the Cubs, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:57:23):
Know Cubs are correct, Buddy Kennedy, I do the.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
Cubs, Oh, Buddy, silent them in the off season.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
I think, Buddy, Buddy Kenny. The Dodgers, the Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (01:57:33):
Yeah, yeah, this is a little unfair.

Speaker 3 (01:57:38):
The Dodgers, and I think Toronto again. This is Captain's
the Cavin b Show.

Speaker 4 (01:57:44):
Groute Carlos Hernandez the former the former Royal Royals picture. Okay, okay,
I don't really know. To be clear, her name is
twenty five games for isn't it league team? Uh? No?
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:58:03):
He gave it away that it's not two National League teams?

Speaker 4 (01:58:06):
Yeah, thanks, I'm already white.

Speaker 3 (01:58:09):
Let's say yeah, yeah, well, Jeff, I got to run
up the score.

Speaker 4 (01:58:14):
Five games, twenty five games.

Speaker 3 (01:58:15):
I'm going to see X.

Speaker 2 (01:58:16):
Computers are watching Detroit and.

Speaker 3 (01:58:23):
Philly.

Speaker 4 (01:58:25):
You did it?

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
Really?

Speaker 3 (01:58:27):
So?

Speaker 4 (01:58:27):
Seven? Correct? And two halves. You did not get any
of them completely wrong. The sos Yankees, Dodgers, you know
the first one. Urania was Toronto and Dodgers, Mike uh Skip, Falmer, Kennedy, Phillies,
Blue Jays and Dodgers, Carlos Hernandez, Phillies, Guardians and Tigers.

(01:58:48):
Has pitched for Fomer, has pitched for the Red Sox
and Cobs, but might still win it because he is
currently eligible for the postseason roster for the Seattle Mariners.
He sign a mid league deal with them back in
like August and has been talked about potentially being the
ald S roster. Wow, there you go. He pitched very
well into coma.

Speaker 1 (01:59:08):
Except here's here's a question that I assume the answer
is just yes, But like do you if you if
you get added to if Michael Folmer gets added to
the Alds roster and the Maritters go on to win,
but he doesn't appear in the ALGs roster, and then
don't put him on the other rosters just as.

Speaker 4 (01:59:25):
It just he just he doesn't ever appear in a game,
but he.

Speaker 3 (01:59:28):
Was on a roster, He was on a roster in
the playoffs. Does he get a ring a ring on
the answers.

Speaker 4 (01:59:35):
Yes, I don't know. If he doesn't appear in.

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
A game ever for the team, that's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:59:44):
Yeah, dode Do the the Phantom players get rings? I
don't know. I don't, particularly with it being only in
the postseason, it's a it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:59:56):
I don't know. I mean they can afford it, they
should give it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:59):
Well that's kind of I kind of think they are
pretty liberal. Who gets rings?

Speaker 2 (02:00:04):
I assume did? I guess uh atdlbertal Mondsey to get
at it bat and then what worlds? Matt Reynolds did
not though, so maybe I don't know if the Mets
and one if Matt Reynolds would have gotten one.

Speaker 4 (02:00:15):
Good question.

Speaker 3 (02:00:16):
Well, like I I know, I had a buddy who
worked and obviously he doesn't get like the I had
a body who worked for for the the Wizards. Okay,
but they're part of Monumental and when the Capitals won
the Stanley Cup, he got as a Monumental employee, he got.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
One of the lower tier rings, but it's still a
championship ring. But he worked for the Wizards.

Speaker 3 (02:00:42):
In in like web development kind of stuff like digital stuff, okay,
and he got a ring from the Capitals, so I
kind of obviously it can go team by team, but
like I kind of think they get pretty Yeah, we won,
so it's what you know. That's but that's that's my question.
Good game. I like that guy.

Speaker 1 (02:01:04):
I loved the idea when it came in. Thank you, Kurt,
Thank you to our our listeners who have been sending
us games.

Speaker 4 (02:01:11):
It helps, It's very helpful.

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
I'm also going to tell our listeners this both both
my co hosts Haytan for suggesting this at all, but
I think for our five hundredth episode, we should.

Speaker 3 (02:01:22):
Just do all games. Oh boy. Yeah. But I also
know Patrick especially does doesn't want to create all those.

Speaker 2 (02:01:32):
He's soliciting listeners right now because if you're still listening
two hours and three minutes into the show, you're probably
the kind of person that would make a game for it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:39):
Yeah, well that's exactly it. The thing is, if if
you want that, I think it would be fun. I
think it would be a good idea. Except for that,
it's also during.

Speaker 2 (02:01:46):
The Yeah, there's that part of it.

Speaker 4 (02:01:49):
There's that part of it, extra one for it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:51):
Yeah, we do like a bonus one, I guess.

Speaker 3 (02:01:54):
Nevertheless, I think it would be a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (02:01:58):
Again, none of us, none of us have We have
so much free time right now.

Speaker 1 (02:02:02):
Right exactly if you want us to do that, because yes,
we're all doing Jeff is doing lists and also plays
a big part in the annual.

Speaker 3 (02:02:08):
And also took on an essay this year.

Speaker 2 (02:02:10):
I did, Patrick and I are just like the playoffs
are happening, Yeah, just.

Speaker 3 (02:02:14):
The playoffs, all of it. If you want us to
do that, I think it would be fun. But we
really don't have bandwidth. We use at least a few games,
at least a few, if not all of them. So
if you've got an idea what we.

Speaker 4 (02:02:29):
Can do is I should just have you replay old
games and see.

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
Honestly, yeah, would I would I get any of the
nicknames correct anymore?

Speaker 3 (02:02:39):
Second time, I'm going.

Speaker 4 (02:02:40):
To tell you I like the final exam idea for
see what have you?

Speaker 3 (02:02:46):
What have you learned?

Speaker 2 (02:02:46):
This question exam lightning round. It's just questions from previous games.

Speaker 4 (02:02:53):
Who is your who is your player to pick for
every team? In this year's previews? Oh god, oh my god,
I remember Tyler hy That's the only one I've read.

Speaker 3 (02:03:06):
Yeah, No, I was gonna say yeah, I don't. I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:03:10):
I did get some feedback on on the I think
you're you're. The nicknames have gotten significantly harder.

Speaker 4 (02:03:16):
Right, I feel like they just like, I don't know
if this is the worst or we are so much worse. No,
I think I think what's going on is that I
feel like there's an alphabetical bias here, like where people's
last names, like, there's just more people.

Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
We got to get to, like the rs s's and
the t's and.

Speaker 4 (02:03:33):
Yeah, well well we'll start to come back.

Speaker 3 (02:03:35):
We'll see. You might need to throw us some gimmes
and in there.

Speaker 4 (02:03:38):
I feel like they're just haven in that many.

Speaker 1 (02:03:40):
Fair enough, all right, Well, thank you both for co
hosting this episode. Thank you Kurt again for the game.
Thank you to our listeners for tuning in to another
episode of five and Dive brought to you by the
Baseball Perspectives podcast Network. You can get in touch with
the show at five and Dive at Baseball Perspectives dot com.

Speaker 3 (02:03:57):
We are wherever you get your podcasts. Search for Baseball
Perspective podcast Network and will be in that feed. Thank
you again.

Speaker 1 (02:04:04):
We will see you next week whenever the series allow
us the best operatic sense

Speaker 3 (02:04:31):
Can

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