Five and Dive, Episode 497: "So. Now vee may perhaps to begin. Yes?"

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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Welcome to episode four ninety seven for five and Died.
It is Tuesday, October seventh. I'm your host, Very cold Stein,
joined as usual by Patrick Dubutte and Jeffrey pattern Astro.
Shall we get right into the banter so we can
get into the show. What do we have?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Just go ahead? You have your shared experiences, revel in them? Fine,
what's new in Hades two?

Speaker 3 (00:52):
No, I wasn't good at New Hades too, But if
you want to talking about Hades two, I actually I.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Haven't played in a couple I did not play at
all yesterday, at least I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
I'm getting pretty consistent at beating Chronos now, but the
Overworld has been I've.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Still only done it the once. Jeff has surpassed me.
I started before him, but he's easily surpassed me. So
I had put it down for a few days, and
then I didn't and then I played a little, and
then I didn't play Estra.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Well, I will say I'm a little I don't know
if annoyed is the right word. I've been using the
mostly to get through this story stuff. I've been using
the black Coat pretty exclusively at this point, and like
in Hades won their weapons I preferred, but like I
was pretty good at all them outside of the rail gun.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
The gun, yeah, I know, like the real gun is
like if you're like speed running, it's like super highly
technical player. It's like the best, but it's like the
final unlockable weapon. I didn't find it particularly better than
the stuff I was already using. The black Coat just
seems like I guess the kids say opie or whatever
to me, yes because of the overpowered for people who

(02:04):
don't yes, yes, yeah read so I can just like
attach scorch to my Special and just spam the Omega
Special with it.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
I have. I have not unlocked that one yet, So.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Do what you have to do to do it. It's
something on the overworld.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
It just it just I need a material that I
didn't I don't have all over whatever, right, as Jeff
can tell as he shares details in our group chat.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
And I'm just like, wait, what.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Like the frogs there every time you respond?

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I just never noticed it. Never notice it.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well if you don't go back, I mean, I guess
it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Like pop up as a thing to interact with. HM.
I literally every single time I die or whatever, I
just immediately start going the opposite direction from So yeah,
that was news to me. All right, did you enjoy that, Patrick?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
That Yeah? Sure, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Do you have any banter you'd like to.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I spent my weekend on a train reading reading a
lesser Raymond Chandler novel, which means.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
A great like was it raining? That seems like the
perfect Patrick weekend?

Speaker 2 (03:17):
That was a tunnel? No, no, the weather was nice,
but yeah, no, everybody everybody should, but especially all writers
I believe, should read one Raymond Chandler novel or one
you know, adjacent me, maybe Richard Bradigan if you need
somebody else, but like maybe especially Richard Bradigan doing Raymond Chandler,
which is always fun. You need one of those books

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every year to be like, Okay, this is what pros
can be, and I could probably be working a little
harder to get my pros to be like this. Hannt's
good Ham, it's better at plot. Chandler's better writing.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Sure, I love it. I love the Patricks Like, yeah,
in your free time, remind yourself that you could work.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Harder, it could be better.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, you know, is that is that where you're owed
to perfection for perfectionism came from Patrick.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
It was just ter influenced.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, all right, let's get into the show. We're just
gonna go through.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Each of the The every series is through two games
as we speak, and we'll go through those and play
a game. So we'll start with the Dodgers and Philadelphia
in that is a normal bullpen.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Move on, find a new slant. Yeah, we're talking about
here at this point. It is definitely the Dodgers, but
doesn't include the Phillies bullpen.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
I said this, I think I said this in the preview,
like if you just look at it on paper, that
the Dodgers bullpen isn't that much worse than the Phillies fullpen,
especially if you have Sasaki and she in there, and
that's kind of played out more or less.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
I feel like, yeah, I mean, am I am I
redeemed at all from saying Shean could be a skeleton
key for this bullpen. But the problem is it's Sasaki.
Is he did he pitched? He actually pitched well, he
pitched two innings. I honestly thought he'd maybe would go
three and.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, gone three. I mean I get it. Well, there's
two things there, right, If Lake Trinon is on this roster.
Dave Roberts is going to use Blake Trynon. That's just
way it is. But also you, because Blake Trynon is
on this roster, and Blake Trynon can be very good
when he's right, you want to try to get him
in a situation that's a little bit lower leverage, and

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like three runs up in the ninth is I think
a fair place to use it if you don't want
to use Tasaki two out of three days, or stretch
she into three innings, or in case you want to
be able to hold him back for game three. Uh,
it very quickly stopped being a little leverage. It is
like because in the game so they claim.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
To have fixed his arm or adjusted his arm slot
or whatever, and he looked notably better in the Red series. Yeah,
he also, so I I was at this we're talking
him game two.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
We've skipped him one for now, but we're talking him too.
I was at this.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Game so yeah, oh yeah, yeah, they say you were
slightly more delayed on responding to my g chats about it, probably, yes.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Yes, So I was on the third base side, so
I couldn't see a lot of his location.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Sure, I did go back and watch the ninth and
and when I got you get a.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Great you get a great view of Freddie Freeman in
the bottom of a knife.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Though oh my god, yeah, yes it was.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
It's indelible because I was also having a heart attack
as it happened.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
But you know, trying to obviously struggled. He was really bad, but.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
He did not make a bad pitch for like the
double I think was like off the plate, like it's
where want.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
I was surprised that. Now I think there was some
some execution.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
So JT.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Realmudo hits a double. It was a high fastball. It's
probably where he wanted. JT did good job of hitting it.
But but my thought was in so this is the
difference between trying and throwing ninety five and Blake Tron
and throwing ninety seven, which he doesn't do anymore.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Really, but he's not throwing his slide. I think he's missing.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Something on his slider, and he's not throwing that sweeper.
It's not as effective. He wasn't able to that was
a two strike count that he should be throwing a
sweeper off the edge and getting real Mudo to chase,
and instead he's throwing high fastballs. And you can go
back to his one two three inning against Seattle at
the end of the season, where he was getting strikeouts

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on high fastballs, and I think he mostly.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Did the same thing in the Red Series. I don't
recall it perfectly, but.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
There's definitely more sink on his sinker the way it
used to be. With whatever they've done recently, it looks
like a better pitch, but he's throwing either the high
four seamer or like a ninety four to ninety five
mile perower cutter or whatever.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
And it's just not the same. He needs that slider
to be the guy. He and Dave Roberts unfailingly. I
think you're right on the analysis of what Roberts is
trying to do.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
He's he's unfailing in his belief that he just if
I believe hard enough, these.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Guys will execute. And as I was driving home with
my dad, he goes, do you think.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Dave Roberts will learn something? And I said, no, when
has he learned anything? His entire ethos is belief right well,
And he also thinks, if if I can just keep
giving these guys the opportunity they.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
It will win out right, but like these are games
that matter that should have been Roki Sasaki in the
ninth innay right, all of the ninth inning. He did
eventually have to come in after. You know, Vesia is
not right either.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
He's still on ninety one ninety two for the most
part and not convincingly getting guys out. So yeah, so
we're talking about the bullpen. But where do you want
to do you want to talk? Should we talk about
game one? Should we talk about the rest of game two?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
The words some interesting managerial decisions outside of the bullpen here?

Speaker 2 (09:15):
I mean, you know, it's happened since the last time
we podcast. We should at least, you know, do a
quick okay, right.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Honestly to ask, I think he's working on some sort
of baseline of atonement, like it only what he did
this in Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well, Cincinnati he dropped. He had the good first game
and then he dropped the ball in the second game.
I don't remember if he redeemed himself in that one.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
But then yeah, he he just stopped running. He was
running hard for him after a J. T Romudo base
hit to the gap in game one, uh and with
men On I should know, and he just pulled up

(10:01):
just decided now I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get it.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
It wasn't clear to anybody else but him. Yeah, uh
Andy pie has eventually got to the ball. Realm ended
up with a triple that was maybe should have been
a single.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, Harrison probably shouldn't be a triple, but it was.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
It was a triple, and runs came in and then
Real scored on a sack fly, so it was consequential
that it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Even if it was a double that it ended up
being consequential. And then he uh he got a chance
to hit against Matt Strom. So again there is some
managerial decision making that I think you can credit Dave
Roberts for a little bit here in that he has
He normally likes to hit Freddy Freeman third, an alternate

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left right left with Otani, Betts and Freeman, and then
adjusts who's the cleanup hitter, But in this series, as
he did towards the end of this season, he hit
Ti Oscar Hernandez third and Freeman fourth to essentially force
anyone who wanted to bring a lefty specialist in against
Otani to have to go through Bets and Ti Oscar

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before getting to Freddy. You have to pay the toll,
right they call I think he called it the TI
oscar tax. Right.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Well, look, strom Strom's a good crossover guy, like he can.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
I think he had better numbers against right I think
I heard that, but I might be wrong, but the
Oskar is much better against lefties. Yes, is the flip
side of that.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
And it's kind of like it's it's a little bit
like your sim or your strat things like what do
you roll.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Do you roll the pitcher card who's good against either
or do you roll the hit or card where he's
really good against lefties? And he hit a ball, then
I have to tell you off the bat, I thought,
I don't know about canna porn, but I thought easy flyout. Yeah,
and and Bader just kept drifting and drifting.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
At no point did I think it was a home
run until it was over the fence.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
This was a three I did a bad job saying this.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
This is a three run homer because Christopher Sanchez, who
had had the Dodgers locked up all game, finally cracked
in this in the in the well, he cracked in
the sixth inn key Aarvandis had a double to bring
in two runs with two outs, and then the runners

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came on for Taoscar in the seventh with Straw, you.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Know, with Robertson started Robertson right.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
It was Robertson, yes, and then Strong came in to
relieve Robertson, yeah, and and got uh what got o, Tommy?
And Uh?

Speaker 4 (12:48):
I don't have the summary in front of me, but
there were two on for the home run, so that flipped.
It was five to three. The Dodgers went to Tyler
glassnow in relief. I mean, this is the all starter bullpen, right, Yeah,
it's a good play to go to Glass down here.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Obviously not normally a reliever, but not throwing for five.
He didn't pitch it all in the prior series and
wasn't going to throw.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Until regular He still gets regular rest after this, so
he got two thirds.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Watched a couple guys.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
You know, I guess there are all Dodgers relievers in
some in spirit.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Right.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Vessia came in, gott to pop out again, not particularly
too mincing in my opinion, but gotta gotta fly ball
out to uh.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
The basis loaded for Edmundo Sosa, and I thought he
got it. I don't know if you got if you
watched it at the time, he got off the barrel
of the bat, and.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
That is that, I guess, is the saving grace. And
then Sasaki came in for the ninth and looked very good.
Gave up a double to Max Coupler, but but continued
to look really good as a reliever.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
That was game one. Yeah, game two, uh Lozardo versus Snell.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Nothing happened for six months his pictures.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
I mean he did get the platonic ideal of a
Blake Snell se uh six innings, one hit, four walks,
and nine strikeouts.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Baby, I mean that game unadulterated Snell there for Blake snells.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
My MLB at bat push notification described this as a
matchup between two electric lefties, and fine, I would call
Hayes wizardo electric. That's fair like nothing like just look
at Blake Snell's face. There's no electricity there, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Said, Yeah, that's true, he's tied the man's.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
I said this on on Blue Sky, But like it
was the perfect Blake Snell game in that you'd have
to admit it was a great start.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yes, but you'd have to admit yes, Like you would
never just freely hand that out. This is like the
pressed you would say it was a great This.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Is like the inverse of the Sam Miller world without stats,
like who's the best? You would never say Blake Snell
is the best pitcher in baseball?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Like ever, No, but you're right, well, you wouldn't have
to because he'd be out of work.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
So the Dodgers did trouble Lozardo in the first inning.
Five batters, got a couple guys on some hardket balls.
After that, seventeen in a row. Yeah, put down. This
was the anniversary of Royal Halliday's playoff no hitter. Blake
Snell took a no hitter into the fifth inn. I
think maybe the fourth. It was just a shutdown pitching.

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I mean, Lozardo looked fantastic as far as I could tell.
Dodgers seemed to be wrong footed consistently as they were
with Sanchez the night before, until they weren't they They
brought Lozardo back out for the seventh, which I thought
was honestly pretty reasonable. He had gotten It was his
third time through the order, but he had gotten through.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
The US had a day off. They use a lot
of their penn in game one.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, and and he had gotten through Otwani and Betts,
I believe, Yeah, and was starting with Oscar Ti.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Oscar atoned and hit a single. Freddy Freeman hooked a
double down the die. I wouldn't well.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
So he also had a double taken away in the
first basically from from Castianis, which I couldn't tell if
that was a Castos kind of misplay into a nice
play or or just a nice plays in the game,
partially because it was a lefty, but also Bader tweaked
his growing Game one, so did he Marsh I guess.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Was really in the game because of that. But yeah,
he hooked a single I guess into right that just
took a long time to get to I couldn't really and.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Then threw it to first, which I really didn't understand.
He threw to a cutoff guy like straight down the line,
which I would have thought with Toos went first to.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Third, and I think that would have happened regardless. But
the play is across the diamonds right where you would
also head off anyone running to.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Second, especially notoriously like bad Ankle Freddy Fraemon.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Right, but head.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
And he knows, he knows who's playing right field.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
I mean, Castanos arm isn't awful, right.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
It isn't, but he does tend to not move great
or I'll.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Come into play later, certainly.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
I mean there's a lot of similarities between Taoscar and Casoe.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
One of them just like, I mean, have a great season,
but one of them did hit better this year.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yes, no, I right, one of them said, I'm just
saying in terms of style player. So Freddy gets to second,
it's it's too two runners on no out. They that's
when they pulled the plug on Lozardo. They bring in
Oryan kirkeran for uh to turn around Tommy Edmund which

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makes sense, yep, and he he got him.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
He struck him out, struck him out.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Okay, yeah, and and fairly convincingly. He then I should
pull up the summary here.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
He because because this was he started losing his own
right did he walk?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Well this is the problem like the Philly fin is
kind of like the Dodgers fan like, not having Alvarado
always makes a difference here.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
But oh so key k right, this was this was
the play. So this this was a big play. H
key Hernaniz comes up after Tommy Edmonds strikes out, so second, third,
one out. He breaks his bat on a number two.
I don't. I don't know what they call it, kind

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of the triangle between pitchers short and third. The Oscar
breaks late, which I will tell you the Dodgers, like
you know my father and the Dodgers play were saying
like he had loafed on a comeback or to.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
Lozardo earlier in the game that she botched and then
recorded the out because the Oscar wasn't running. And again,
I guess this is the theory of atonement.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
And the play, but I don't. They did not have
the contact playoff, which.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Is not fast and also.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Well, yeah, it lost problems.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
The contact works fine as long as there isn't a
play at the place right.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Trey Turner read this pretty quickly from from my advantage.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
I had a great view of this play.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
Ti Oscar realizes it's getting past the picture and runs,
and I don't think that's a bad choice.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
He is very slow.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
To make a play.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, trade Turner got to the ball quick, got the
ball out quick.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
The throw beat Ti Oscar by I mean, I don't know,
eight feet, Like he's not close.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
I'm notoriously bad at judging distances, so I apologize if
that's really wrong. He it is not close. The problem
is it is to the first base side of home
plate this throw, and so real Mudo has to catch it,
stretch a little bit of a stretch to catch it
maybe or reach, I should say, then sweep it all
the way back across the Oscar closes that gap, slides,

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keeps his foot down.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
It is a bang bang play. Umpire calls him safe.
It was hell, it was reviewed.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
You have to I think you have to review it,
even if it is pretty clear it was confirmed on review.
So not just stands. Uh he You know if a
better throw gets him by.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
A mile, right, yeah, you make him make a play,
You make him make you make him make the transfer,
you make him make the throw right, it's not right.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
And and look, Freddy was running to third behind. If
you get the out, it's it's two outs.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
But you have a man on third still, it doesn't
really change the situation too too much.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
But this so that's one nothing they score.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
They say they scored three runs after this.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
They just months he walks uh pottes pops out with
the basis loaded, and then Will Smith, who would pinch
hit earlier in the game for Ben work that they
keep doing this. I guess the conservatives hands it's a
little weird to not have him start. The decision here
is you want Will Smith in the end game more
than you want him facing a lefty. I yes, but

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you would think you would want if you care about
the platoon, which Dave tends to care about, you would
think you want Smith in against against the left hand,
which you were guaranteed with with the lefty starter and Lazari.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
But the endgame scenario works out. He pulls a double.
I mean he pulls a single to Uh to left.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Freeman scored, Enrique scored, and then they bring in Strom
again to face Otani.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Otani gets a single. He looked really bad to that
point in the series. Wraps a single through through the infield.
Its ground ball.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
That's for nothing.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
I will say. A buddy of mine sends me a
text before the game if he wants to bet the game,
and he shows me the lines and the daughters were
like a slight favorite, which surprised me a little bit,
I guess given the given the pitching match ups. Maybe,
but like I don't you figure that the Phillies would
empty out their pen here to Windy more aggressive and

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or a slight favorite. But I think the run line
the plus one point five is like plus one forty.
It's like it was. It was they were a significant
underdog there dog there. So I told him like, yeah,
I don't like, I don't I'm not a gambler, right,
but like you've got a lizardo like blow up baked
in there with the laying the run, and he does

(23:17):
that sometimes. So he held He told me he ends
up betting that he sent the message in the going
to the top of the ninth. He's like, I just
cashed out. No, yeah, he's like, I'm not. We cashed
out his trying and came in at for one. So
he took the whatever. I don't know, it's a little bit.
It was actually like pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
It was they were minus one and that half they
were laying.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
The daughters were laying a run.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, so they had so that would be minus one. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
So as soon as like trying and made a great call,
I made a great call. Yeah no, no, he made
a great call. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah. I do want to I do want to know,
like the thing on Lazari, Like we we mentioned this
obviously he has the blow up starts, but uh mich
boum and had this in his in his recap and
I hadn't realized the extent to this. But he allowed
eighty runs this year, yeah, Lozardo, which means that.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
It isn't like half of them in like four starts though, so.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
It's something like that. It is it is a single
inning he had, Yeah, he had. He had a twelve
run outing where he allowed eight and one in he
had he had a twelve run He had twenty runs
over those two starts where he was tipping pitches. Yeah,
that's a quarter of his runs in two starts.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
And look they all count, right, you can't they all count.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
I'm not trying to say it, but you're talking about
the rest of the year. I mean, so there is
a blow up baked in there or possible possibility.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
But he had another season basically sure, but the almost
the whole season he was utterly fantastic.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
But this, yeah, I don't know. I mean, do you have.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Any thoughts on the on the way Thompson went with
the bullpen? He brings in you on Doran for the
second time this series trailing, I was I was maybe
a little surprised to see Dern Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
I mean the reputation of the Dodgers' bullpen does precede
them to someone and.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Not even that it said. I just thought, you know,
you could use another believer to.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Keep you have all these days off. You might as
well just use to run like I get it from
that level, you don't want to use I don't know
who else would it be in that spot? It would
be like else is in this bullpen?

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Robertson again, I guess again.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, he's old, he's like older like and didn't have
like a regular season, but.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah he had.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
They had already used center Banks, right kind of the
other good relievers?

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah here uh and the end a nice inning. Durran
came up a hit and a walk, but ultimately no damage,
so they go to the bottom of the ninth Bard
enough or sorry it was four and one, I skipped.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
She want a play by play for every series or
just the one that involved the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
She didn't, went to winnings and gave up.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yes, I would like to thank the people that listen
to this podcast twice a week are watching these games.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
But well, I mean, what do you want to It's
a lot, It's a lot of games just like.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Let's skip me, right, let's skip it.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
We can go to like like like break Trindon, didn't
it great? And then Freddy Freeman had to make a
play that almost killed Craig.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, yeah, Bessie didn't pitch well.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Sasaki came in, he gets uh, Trey Turner would The
only thing I was going to go to was the
wheel play.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Sure, yeah, fair enough, yes, with man on second and
no outs, right, the second lot of fucking bunting in
these playoffs, like man like Mike Schill and obviously you know,
like you know Patmer, he is an old college coach, like.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Playing so if there's a man on yeah, like it
does feel and like how did this happened?

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Like some of them have been low scoring game ironic
is pecurely low scoring playoffs.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
The ironic thing is that the series where you would
think you'd see the most bunning would be Mariners Tigers.
It's been three to two and twenty innings and there's
been one butt. Yeah, and it was successful. It was
a drag butt of all things. Yeah, weird.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
So the Phillies get uh too. On second and third
with no out, Bryson Stock comes up. The Dodgers go
to ah go to Vessia. Yeah, who has bad splits
against lefties?

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Nick Castanos is on second after.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
His used to like Jack Dryer there or something that.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yes, at this point, I mean he's gone a lot
lately and at no point, as he looked.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Convincing, I would say I would have gone to Dryer.
I could go to Kershaw. I mean it would be terrible.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
I sent you that we need to have it happen
at this I won't have I don't think. Yeah, it's
going to be like Clayton Kersher trying to get the
safe against like Caleb Durban in the next round. I mean,
Craig is going to lose his mind.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
The thing is he's I mean, like you could tell
me he's one of the top three or four arms
in this bullpen.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
That's damn Clayton.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
I would hope. So for it is Clayton Kershaw. Yeah,
it's like I know, it's like the damn I know
it's yeah, it's like, you know, the shootest Clayton Kershaw.
But yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
I mean the real answer is I would have gone
to Susaki when this inning started.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Sure, I mean, I assume they want you to stay away.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
From he's done in the in the he went the
last game in the Diamondbacks series a day off, and then.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Again, I assume they wanted to stay away from him
if they could.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
I think they. I think they did. But what I
don't understand in that.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Rationale is if you want to if you're going to
end up with a day where you stay away from
Sasak after an off day, and I understand you don't
want to go to three times in five days, right,
he's not been a reliever. I totally understand that. Do
it with a to nothing lead in the series.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
That's what I would If you say he's off limits
or we don't want to go to him, do it
with the to nothing lead in the series. That's all
I'm saying, I think, to me, that's my counterpoint to that.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
It's still Dave Roberts Bullpen Management taking up a half
hour of the show.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Sorry, it's fine, so, but this fund I think is
an interesting I don't know. I don't know that I
feel it's a bad decision.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Thompson said they wanted to play for the tide. I
don't know that that's a great rationale.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
It lower see, it lowers your run expectancy for the inning,
but I assume it a chance of scoring exactly one run.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, and then it he was I think the ninth hitter.
So you had Turner, you had no I guess he wasn't.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
I'm looking he was leading off, wasn't He hasn't been
leading on?

Speaker 4 (30:21):
So you had a couple of batters in between. I apologize.
So they do they the first pitch above the zone?
I mean, again, not convincing.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
I noticed this the Dodgers runner wheel play, which you
don't see a ton uh and and Fabian and I
had an article in the Athletic. They don't practice it.
They had done it once before this season, also successfully.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Somehow, you know, Mookie Batch is not a shortstop really
either having but like not a play, he is a
lot like practice making before second.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
This isn't like in his in his mental rolodex or Yeah.
Dave Roberts apparently had come out to the mound uh
for this and said, you guys figure it out, which
is just.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
A perfect it is it is?

Speaker 1 (31:20):
I I mentioned this, I said this was in Fabion's article,
and I had mentioned this on Blue Sky and I
woke up to this to Andrew Merns of our second
Oh no, I'm sorry, James Smith, friend of the friend
of the side. I mixed my my Yankee my Yankee
fan friends here, but James Smith saying I thought you
were like paraphrasing, but he literally said, you guys figure
it out. Yeah, that's managing, baby. That's like some real

(31:43):
social moment. I walk out to say something and it's
you guys do it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Also, I'll get blamed if it's it goes wrong.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
But Mookie apparently suggested.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
This, that's some real like Carlo Ancelotti ship where it's
just like I have these great players, he'll figure it out.
I don't need to do tactics. Yeah, exactly exactly the
man management.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I did say to my dad and said, Dick Roberts
is not tactically. These are not tactical decisions. These are vibes. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
This, So Mookie suggests this that they go with it,
misses the first pitch and they.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Show it right. Yeah, because you have to.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
You can't.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
I guess if you're the Phillies, you're like like the
wheel play like works about as often as the contact play.
So it's like, okay, well you don't get the thing
is if you get the bunt down properly, it doesn't
matter if they're running the wheel play.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Like yes and no, this was not an awful bunt, right,
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
What it means is you can't bunt to the You
can't just get away with bunting to the third basement, right,
which is one of the first They both yeah, yeh yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
At least the first basement would have to throw against,
you know, like.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Like Keith Hernandez like famously.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
So it's interesting, you say at Patrick and I agree,
But if you read the comments from either Thompson.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Or Scott, I think it was Stott was basically I
was told not to go to the first base because
they have a clearer too. It's weird because Freddy has
to turn right. He throws righty. It's not an you
do have to adjust your like do what kind.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Of again, like as the situation to where it's a
tag play, right, so like you have a tag play,
like if the throw.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
You have to lead the shortstop.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
You have to lead the shortstops to throw tails because
your body's traveling towards the plate right.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Throwing from first is is harder to be clear.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
I think it's again one of like Keith Hernandez's most
famous defensive plays, is doing and crashing and doing exactly this.
It's one of the public first space foot of all time.
And Freddie Freeman is a good first base defender. He's
also much older than Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
They apparently the one time they ran this in the
in the regular season, it was Freddie who fielded it
and they did execute it. The Phillies are not basing
it on it right, but they.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Apparently they don't really care that this play is on tape. Right.
This isn't like you.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
They told Stott to go third ye And what I
thought the interesting thing is when you run the wheel play,
because second and Short are sprinting full speed, especially Short
is trying to beat the runner to the bag. He's
sprinting full speed, and the and the two corners are crashing.
The middle of the infield is wide open.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Right, so you want a butcher boy or slap it
back exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
And I thought this is he's a contact guy.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Has said that he's really focusing on like pulling the
ball in the air. Now I know he should still
be able to do that.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Think as bad as he was against lefties overall, I
think his strikeout rate was seventeen percent or something like that.
Like it's he still puts the ball in.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Play, right, there's like a The other thing is like
there's a decent chance.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
So if he did a Butcher Boys swing, I bet
he could.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Also if you just played this straight up, there's a
decent chance that, like Bessia throws a shitty sinker that
he rolls over on to second base and you advanced
the runner anyway, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Well it's probably not a sinker, but yes, I don't
think he throws a thick but yeah, but there's a
lot of opportunity for.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
VESSI ya where if he just pulls a ball in
the air to right field, right and you get a
sack fly.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Out of it, like well, right, well that.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Sorry, you advanced runner on a flat it's not a second,
right Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
So but he bunts, he buns. I don't think it's
a bad bunt, but months he was on it in
a in a second, obviously crashing him very hard. He
fielded it, planted, turned, he gathered himself. It felt like
he took a second I watched the replay. He really didn't.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, cras point of view, Yeah, he fired.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
A perfect throw to Bets.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
I mean he he did not have a guy there
and threw it exactly where it needed to be. That's
I mean, there's also every chance, as you.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Said, this left field.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Yeah, even if it's a good throw, right, I mean,
the movie's moving.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
It's not an easy play. That's does its a nice
takeout slide, not on purpose, everybody.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
He took yeah, I mean like control of his body
doing things like that.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
But the other part of this, as we pointed out
on the defense, is Castanos is slow. He did not
get a great jump on this much to know it's coming. Obviously,
he did not get a great jump.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
You can also take a huge lead if you have
the shortstops crashing with you. You can just fellow.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Held behind him.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
But there was no And like like that's is going
to be given a foot race anyway.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
But that's is not fast either.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
He isn't, but he's still gonna be. So I think
this play is like endemic of my overall thoughts on
this series, which is just like the Dodgers are a
little bit better, Like they've done they're just a little
bit better hit them in five.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Yeah, right, And I said, look, I think these are
very evenly matched teams.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
They've been close. Yeah, they've been close games, Dodgers ads. Look,
they got the big punch in the in the ta
Oscar Homer. They stole that game. That felt like a
stolen game.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
And this felt like a game that that the Phillies
really almost stole because the the and and the the
killer part of that choice of of the wheel play
of the bunt is that Harrison. They they pinch hit
Harrison Bader, who can't run but ropes a single.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, he would have scored anyway probably ye yeah, maybe.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Maybe not, but he would have.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
It would have been first and third, and instead it's
just the guy I first with and out Yeah, and
uh you know then Kefler uh Kefler made an out
right and they ended up they but whatever, I'm not
going to play by play. Freddie made a nice play
going to second on a on a ground that that

(37:56):
was a nice defensive play. And then society gets the
grounder that that ready. I mean, I don't what did
Tommy and what happened on that throw?

Speaker 1 (38:04):
He like threw it with t Rex arms or something.
I don't know. That was bizarre. Anyway, it ends up
being to nothing.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
It doesn't feel like to nothing, right we what we
have here in our rundown is can.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
The Phillies come back? So I think even as they are,
it's hard.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
I was gonna I was gonna say no. I was like,
absolutely no when I put it in, because we do this
every year. Right, if we try to do after the
two games, it's if you're up to not thinking the
team come back if it's one one who has the advantage.
I was no all the way into that ninth inning.
I'm like, it's just like, but so the problem for
the Phillies is they are throwing Aaron Nola in the
next game.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, why are they doing that?

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Well? I think it's going to be a short outing.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
I want at one time, it could be even shorter.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
It could be even shorter. It's the problem, right, Like
I would like on some level my assumption I would
start rangersures with the idea that if things are going well,
I will throw Rangers Suarez for three or four innings
and then Nola. If things are close, I will throw
rangerss for three or four innings and then empty my

(39:07):
bullpen and deal with Game four. I think you start
Aaron Nola in that park and you're down three nothing early,
I think you can probably pack it up right.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
So look, he's he was not bad towards the end
of the season. I think the my guess at the rationale,
I don't know if Thompson has spoken to this or not,
is that he'll go one time through the Dodgers will
have to face, well, we'll have to put in or
he wants them to choose between putting in.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Monsey h and and uh, why am I blaking on
another left in the platoon whatever they're they're lefty platoon hitters,
and then or starting the writings and letting Nola face
ritings right, And then they'll go to Suarez and they'll
have to choose between taking either taking Monsey out or

(39:59):
they'll have in the at bats with the right he's in, right,
I don't I don't know that that's that hard a
choice either way for the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
You know, months he can take a while. I think
the crazy part of this ringer Suarez is one of
the better playoff pitchers right now.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
I don't know how like, I think he's just better
than Nola.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Period.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
It's also just better than Nola.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
I'm just saying, like and like, ultimately it doesn't matter,
Like they got young Moto going, he's looked very good. Yeah,
like day like like the Dodgers I think are just
the better team, right, Like it's that's come down to
and like, if this goes the way we think it's
going to go, we can do the Phillies post mortem
end of the week. But like, what what do they do?

(40:40):
I live in saying this for two years, Like what
do they do next? Right?

Speaker 4 (40:44):
I just I do want to say Ringer Suarez in
the playoffs has a one four three career.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Right, yeah, Like I'm very Surb'm tries he didn't start
game two. Frankly, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yes, agreed, I think there was something about Lozardo is.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Better at home, yeah, and that the Mariners use that
to some success. I suppose fair enough, that is actually
a better way.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Style of the style of pitching for Luis Castillo. That
makes like you he's gonna give up some hard hit
balls you want in in uh mobile now right?

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah he's so he walks guys now too, So you
want to try to limit the like three run homer,
right exactly.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
I understood that this this felt weirder to me. So
can the Phillies come back? Look, I think they can.
They're they're a good team, and the Dodgers can absolutely.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Implode, right, that is I just I think down to
nothing against Yamamoto is a tall ass. And then you're
following it up with with Glass.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Now he's very good, but you get to go to
Sanchez on radio arrest and that can absolutely they can
absolutely push it back to you.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
And then and then who knows, I don't know. It's
just very weird. I know they like kind of want
the division going away and things like that. And then look, look,
losing Wheeler is a huge blows that we're seeing, massive, massive.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Blow despite how good the rest of the staff is.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Like it's still like Jack Wheeler is like Zach Wheeler
two times in a five game series, you would take
your chances against anybody like Sanchaz Zack Wheeler.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
The Phillies are clearly favorite.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
And like Sanchez pitched great this year. He threw a
lot of innings, but like he has these kind of
like five inning starts in him against better lineups, right,
Like that's.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Just yeah, and again, I'll go to something Michael Bowman
posted on Blue Sky yesterday, which is Sanchos kind of
played with his food with the bottom of the lineup.
He wasted some bullets down there.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Like he was convincingly good, I just like he had
them absolutely locked up.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
But he also wasted some bullets down there. And that
was after the first inning. Lozardo just dispatched these guys.
It was not I mean, he did not mess around
at all, and that and I think that came back
on on Sanchez later in the game. We didn't talk
about Otani at all. Obviously he had the bad second inning. Yeah,

(43:10):
all right, that'll be the Was that long enough for
the segment?

Speaker 3 (43:15):
I apologize every time Craig's work, as we do every
Dodger's playoff series. Craig is working through some, working through some.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
I apologize.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
He kept under fifty minutes, so it's a legitimate therapy session.
I guess, fair enough.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
We can go to our second segment waiving the right
to counsel. I missed.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
I mean, I listened to this game on the radio,
but I did not get to see this game driving
home for Game two.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Game one was over very quickly.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Yes, yes, it started each game has started off well
for the Cup.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yet yes, even better second time in the first.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah, yeah, I don't go ahead, So we I think
do we all picked the Cubs?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yes? We shared it.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yeah, I think some of this this twofold, right, like
not that the Cubs looked great against the Padres, but
you've just seen the Cubs win more recently, and the
Brewers kind of just played out the string once they
established a huge division lead, and you know, sometimes those
teams can't turn it back on when the playoffs come.

(44:25):
But there's not been an issue for the Brewers.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
But the other thing is that like Game one was
the Brewers winning the way that we talked about the
Brewers winning, right, it was literally like there were there was.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
A random like Nico Horner. There was something there too
that like, yeah, there were.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Four doubles by the Brewers, there was one double by
the Cubs. And and you know then the home runs,
Like the Cubs out homered the Brewers three to nothing
in the first game, right, and they also scored three runs.
They were also home runs, and it was like, okay, well,
the is the Brewers inverting the rule of playoffs? And
then Game two the Brewers went out and hit.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Right, if the Brewers are also going to hit three
run homers, it might just win the World Series, right,
also going to hit three run homers?

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Yeah, yeah, they also you know, uh Jackson Surio looked
like he might be hurt in game one.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
He was fine.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Yeah, he was also looking he might be hurt in
game two, but we'll say, oh really, yeah, he doesn't
look great.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, he came out of the game.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, and they hit home run well, yeah, I know
he did. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
And in Trio and and Veruvon and William Petres are
all capable of thinking.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Right, those are the guys that, like you would say,
you wouldn't expect them all to hit the home runs
in the same game. Right, It is like, I we've
we talked about it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I think you might actually against which is fair enough. Right.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
The Cubs did their best to make the Brewers look
like opponents of the Cubs.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
And there was like, I do think we're like what
fifteen months removed from like Man and Monago might be
the steal compared to Yamamoto and it has not.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
This year.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
He was fine, and then the thinger started happening.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Never wrong just early. I mean, like it's a little
bit like that.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Right, I mean, this is a good picture, but.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
It's a good picture.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
But this is a I don't want to say it's
a fatal flaw, but it is a really damaging flaw.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Right that he gave up more home runs and fewer
innings this year, and he gave up a lot of
home runs last year. He gave up twenty set. I
don't have it in front of me, but I think
I've looked at his page enough.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
I believe it's twenty seven last year and thirty one
this year, and in fewer thirty, fewer.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Innings, a lot of home runs. It is.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Also struck out like almost sixty bat ors to were
this year, which yep, that's the other problem.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
I mean, like thera is like a run higher.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Right, Well those are probably connected, yeah, no, so is
the FIP.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
The other part here is they decided to start Matthew
Boyd in Game one on three days rest after a
very He had a short game, one ye outing against
the Padres fifty four pitches. I think, yeah, that really backfired.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, Colin Ray, By the way.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
The other option was Colin rad who.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Got ten outs after him had already I mean, he
had already won the game.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
The two best pitchers in the series for the Cubs
have been Colin Rayan and Aaron Savali. Right pitching, and
you know.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
The garbage garbage, Yeah, and like Boyd is not the
like I know, it's a short start, like Matt Boyd
given his lengthy injury, Like that's not the guy I'd
roll back on short rest necessary and.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Like especially given how tired he already looked, right.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Like I just later in the year. You don't want
to start. I get you don't want to start, like
Javier Asad in that game, but like you have enough
long relievers with Savali and ray and Soroka too if
you want to use there.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah, when he when he gives up five hits.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
And no, no, but like you have options to to backfellow.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yeah, but in the game.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
I mean again, this is a situation where like they
had Kate Horton, that would make a huge difference, right.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Right, Well, if you have Kate I Horton, you're starting
I Managa in probably game one because it would have
gone or well, I guess if they played three games,
you're starting jameson title right because everyone would have been
pushed back one. I don't it was not an enviable
spot to have to choose a game one starter between
Colin Ray, Javier Assad and Boyd on three days rest.

(48:28):
I think, look, hindsight, it's obviously this. I don't know
that I thought it was that wrong a choice. You know,
I was writing up Colin Ray before they announced this,
and it's like, it's not a good matchup with the Brewers.
I mean, I don't know that I take so much issue.
It obviously went horribly wrong. But then we talked about
the Horner error very briefly, but he came up six

(48:52):
runs in the first two earned because that was a.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Brutal error for Mankay, that error. I Joshian had a
great set of stats on on the Padres series with
the Cubs and how they hit however many balls up
the middle, I think forty something balls up the middle.
The expected average on those was whatever, and it was
just the Cubs defense was suffocating.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
And then you have this, the floodgates open because Horner,
it's supposed to be the you know, a key to
that defense makes it and that look, that's playoff baseball.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
And you said this like this is what the Brewers do.
Like maybe it's maybe.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Something they take advantage, right, maybe some of.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
It is just like ran like I don't know if
it's a skill, but like you see them do it
and you make contact over and over again, like you
put the pressure on, especially after the air, it's just
pressure pressure pressure.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah. Well, and I think I don't know that the
error is creditable to the Brewers. And this wasn't even
like I don't think it was like.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
It's just what happened after right, Like that I.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Think is the skill. They do not let up ever, They.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Never like they don't blood in the water when that happens.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Yes, yes, I think that's exactly what they do. And
they like if you yeah, I mean just everything is exploited.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Because they know they get a lead. They're road at
touch with McGill. Looks good, he looks healthy, looks good.
They are just going to suffocate you with their pet
too well.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
And so I think the thing you know, you might
we talk about Colin Ray. I think, look, it's unpalatable
for a lot of reasons.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
But the answer was, like Colin Ray one time throw
in a bullpen game, right, which is essentially what the
Breweries did in game two.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Yeah, like Ashby didn't pitch well. No, Like I think
that they may even got a lot. I understand why
they did Ashby in front of Priest. That does affect
you with the lefties at the top of that lineup,
Like that does make sense to me, But like it
didn't work right, like Ashby is they didn't use Priest.
I know they didn't have us again, but like that
was the idea I think was Ashby and then Priest.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I thought it was just a straight bullpen game. Yeah,
and I don't know that that's it. I mean, again,
the Cubs bullpen is.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Not and again the Brewers es actually can do with
the extra day off and the Brewers pen being what
it is, like they can get and like they have
a lot of guys that can throw.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Multiple Mizarowski took the quote unquote bulk roll.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
It was three.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
It was can it be electric and questionable at the
same time.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yeah, this is like, well, electricity is questionable, Like it's
kind of scary.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
It's like this is like a nikolay Tesla experiment.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
I did. I was listening on the way home, and
the Brewers announcer at one point goes, he took something
off there one hundred point four and he's like, I
know that sounds sarcastic. Jim did.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
Yeah, he kept he said every pitch before that, it
was like every pitch is harder than the last one.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
And it started at one of three.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Yeah, and he was like, and he took something off
because he needed to land something in the zone.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
He goes, I know that sounds glib, but I'm serious.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
No, it's like again, uh, he's the he's the carnival thrower,
as Jarrett likes to call it.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Yeah, I mean, but this is it also very Snellion
in a lot of ways, Like here.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Like Snell is like Snell doesn't give in Mislerowski just
doesn't know where it's gone.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
No, no, I know.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
But the final line, right yeah, yeah, get two walks
for strikeouts.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
It's like that's just the mini Snell out in. Yes, yeah,
I mean I don't Miguel came in got two. He
was only asked for two outs after it came when
I did a small updown and then you know, I
thought it was interesting. They still went to Rebay in
the in.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
The again that day off either side when the game
going to Chicago.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah, right, So I don't know what else there is
to say. Can can the Cubs come back?

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I think they'd Yeah, they're cooked.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
I mean the Brewers are designed not to lose three
in a row, right, the hits will fall like the
same reason we were like, oh, I don't know if
this is gonna work for five games, it will absolutely
work once in three games?

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Right? Well, and I kept saying, I assume I don't
even remember. I think I picked the Cubs.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
We all picked the Cubs.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
The Cubs great, perfect, but I think it's it's I
kept looking at the pitching behind, you know, I think
looking at Cosy Kantana.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Yes, but I also thought whatever.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
So then I also thought the Cubs would win one
of these games, and I think they had their opportunity.
I mean, they went up three nothing in this game,
and just I I probably underrated how bad the Chicago
rotation was relative to right, like, is Imanaga that much

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better than if I'm playing that game? And is it really?

Speaker 3 (53:40):
And look, I don't like the Brewers lineup is not amazing,
but it's better than the Padres lineup probably.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's tempting to say, you know,
I'd like to see them against either the Phillies or
or the Dodger staff.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
But they wrecked the Dodgers staff in July, so.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
And you're probably going to get that opportunity.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
So yeah, yeah, But the Dodgers starters have been significantly
I mean this, they they're now not every single start
in the playoffs they've struck out.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Starters have struck out nine or more.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
I mean against the Brewers. Maybe they want the Brewers don't.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
Oh, I don't think they'll strike out that many. But
it's a different Yeah, I don't know that you're getting
your clean looks off the same way, you know what
I mean, Like the now style of pitching versus the
Brewers style of hitting is going to be something to
behold if it happens.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Now the Brewers. It should be noted every single playoff
game they have played so far, they've struck out at
least eleven They not the starters, yeah, just the staff.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Yeah, I mean that might be.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
The Cubs strike out a lot.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
The Cubs strike out a lot, and they're doing a
lot this series. They're hitting as a team, they're hitting
one fifty six six four bats.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
So oh, I have no yeat. I mean again, if
you're going to run a playoff game, I mean a
bullpen game.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
You're gonna throw. Yeah, you're gonna throw ashby Mizarowski, Miguel
and Uribay.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
You get a little strike out eleven with Tintana starting, well,
can I guess he might not start again?

Speaker 1 (55:13):
I guess that's the difference here. They can go to Priester.
Now not exactly a strikeout argust, but yeah, can the
Cubs come back? I think they're Patrick? Did you you're yeah? Great?
Shall we take a break?

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Break, We'll come back with the a Welcome back to

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episode four hundred and ninety seven of five and Dive.
We are on segment three, ahead by a century of runs.
I guess is that a reference? I should not, No,
but I like it. Okay.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
It's the Tragically hip.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Yeah, it's like one of the more popular.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Is of.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
The Canadian the End of Our Time.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Yes, and their biggest hit that got.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
MTD Canadian Band of our Time really Tragically.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
They finished like three five. I guess it's been five
years or something. Yeah, yeah, but yes, like yeah, post
post rush, I would say this is the biggest Canadian band.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Okay, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Yeah, it's good band. I like them.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Yeah, I am not judging you. This is about people
judging me.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Look, I live very close to the Canadian border, so
like the music just tends to like waft over the
line sometimes. So yeah, a lot in high school and college.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Okay, yeah, no, I mean I accept that. I just
didn't know. This is like me learning about the frog
in eighties two and I just didn't know. The Yankees
have lost twice and given up a lot of runs.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
They sure have.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Yes, uh, Now I was gonna say. I wanted to
say Toronto has scored eleven in both these games. They didn't.
It was ten yeah, ten uh? And uh thirteen thirteen yes, yeah,
and the look the ten was like a closer game
for five ye ye, And then it was a blowout.

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Kevin Gossman continued to look very very good. And then
in game two, I mean this was this was over.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
So it was a blowout that then got closer but
was never also never really in doubt.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Yeah, I don't know, I mean, I don't know what
what what's there?

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Say?

Speaker 4 (57:55):
You know, look, Max Freed had a bad start. I
think the thing that we talked about was and I
was pretty adamant. I did not think they would go
to Treya Savage in either of the first two games.
They did, and it was very clearly the right move.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yes, not quite the performance of a rookie in the
AL playoffs because Cam Schlitzler exists. But eleven five and
a third yeah, well Schlitler.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
I know.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
But like they were also up ten runs, So like
you threw a no hittering a no hitter when they
pulled them.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Sure, you thrown a lot of pitches. Yes, is an
incredible performance. They did not see that splitter.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
I just I was talking about this with Jared. We
have to talk about where rank Trey is Savage on
the off season list because he's still comfortable. Is that
switter the best pitch in baseball right now?

Speaker 1 (58:49):
I think it was on that night.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Well, I think like it's I.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Think it is not pick it up.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
You can throw it in the zone too, and just
the chase pitch. Maybe you maybe because everything he has
with arms side, you get some familiarity with it.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Well, literally, the Inky's just faced a bunch of splitters.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
I know it's a different kind of split though, way
it isn't.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Different kind that you like it was like the pitching
machine warm.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Yeah, well the pitching machine was the whole story, right,
because they didn't have They couldn't take their trageic machine
up to cann't get it through customs or whatever.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Oh is that right?

Speaker 3 (59:23):
They didn't have their tragic Yes, traject I guess it
was a tragic they didn't have trajector. That's like again,
like I don't know if you can really, I'm sure
it held. You'll copy Y Savage's arm angle. It's such
a wind delivery.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
But yeah, I mean I was gonna say, what is
it about his splitter that is that is different?

Speaker 3 (59:45):
It's dead, like it's dead over the top, coming off
like an eighteen six.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Fastball, Like yeah, it's just part of it.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
However, Like I'm sure the tunneling too has got to
be insane.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Yeah yeah, so, I mean, yeah he did he the
Yankees could do nothing. Uh, there's there's been a lot
of attention on Aaron Judge obviously what he crosses in
the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
He's hitting in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah right, it's all singles. Yeah, you know, I sit there,
but I still sit there and think, like Aaron Judge
is not the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
No, I mean, so the Yankees fans influencer poster Chris
right now, it's like it's funny that we do this
every year. Like, up until a week ago, Yankees fans
in the last six weeks absolutely an abject horror at
the thought that cal Rally might win the MVP of

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Aaron Judge. And now a week into the playoffs, it's
like he can't get it done.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I meant in a lot of singles too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Right, yeah, like it was an important one, it was
a big.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Double and like, I get it. This is the this
is the Yankees fan conundrum. When nothing short of the
World Series title is acceptable, the stuff gets magnified. World
Series they were last year. Yes, Aaron Judge famously dropped
a ball and as I recall, yeah yeah, and like
also struck out a bunch and takes spots like they
had both. I mean, the game was the game one

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of the series they had Basically he struck out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
I am, I am, yeah, I think that's right. I am.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
He hasn't like, he hasn't been good in the playoffs.
That's the thing we can say.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Fact yes, and I'm sympathetic to watching him come up
in a in a big spot and watching him swing
over another yep, another fastball or whatever, I'm sorry, another
breaking ball below the zone, right, been getting him? That
was the book last playoffs. It was you know, I
and from.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
The face and what I face, better pitching and more
you're more aggressively matched up against because it's the playoffs
and because you're Judge.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Feeling because of all of this, right, I mean, you
know shoo Tani struck out, Well, that's a single. He
was not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Obviously you lose like ten one in thirteen to seven.
It's not just Aaron Judge, right, it's specically not even
really the offense.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
I mean, look MAT's free blew up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
And look at that's something Yankees fans have gone on
to Max Freed in the playoffs is not good. He
is the opposite of Rangers for us. Yeah, and he's pitched,
you know, because he was in Atlanta. He's pitched a
fair bit in the playoffs, and he has a five VRI.
You know this is again these are facts. Do they
matter going forward?

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Do they?

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
You know, cast aspersions on the contract he was offered specifically. No,
But again, when it's World Series or bust, this stuff
gets magnified.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
It does you know. Also apparently Ale Kirk in the
playoffs is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Very Yeah, Dalton bar Show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Dalton Varshow. I mean that I still don't fully understand
what's happening to Dalton Varshow this season.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
He's hitting home runs.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
He's hidden and only home runs.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Yeah, you know, but look, we can talk about You're
right about Max Freek. He's got a five to three.
He also went out and shoved against Boss.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
He did.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Yeah, It's never like could we could do this with
Kershaw and Verlander too, right, Like they they have a
lot of good starts in with and Verlander kind of
washed that reputation by the end of his career, but
like even Kershaw, there's like I watched Kershaw absolutely carve
up some of the best game four of the nlds
in twenty fifteen. I got to just absolutely carved them up. Yeah,

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he's had great starts in the playoffs too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
And the part of Freed's problem is that he is,
you know, outside of the postseason, the most consistent starting
pitcher in baseball when he pitches like he is like
a seventy ninety are minus every single year.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Yep. And he like he missed more bats this year too,
but he's not really a strikeout guy. And like the
Jays can hit home runs.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Yeah, I because it came up.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
I have to say, like the twenty seventeen Game one
World Series start against the Astros, we're the best inning team.
Seven innings, three hits, one run, eleven strike up.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Yeah, and Astros may have had something else going for
them in that serious But.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
I'm withholding comment on that. I'm just saying, like, you're right,
even when and look again, Kirkshaw's playoff reputation is deserved
in a lot of ways, and and so his freeze, but.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
They also can. It's I'm just saying it. I guess
I was saying, it's not a given right, right, he can.
He can come out and shove in the playoffs. It's
not like I don't believe these are meant I don't know.
I struggle to believe that these are like mental.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Limitations.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
If you are mentally affected by this kind of pressure,
you don't in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Yeah, that's right, that's how I That's how I see it, and.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
And so that's how I see with Judge too. Right,
It's it's to me, it's all the same. The Peyton
Manning discourse disease. Oh, he can't do it, he can't
do it well. And then he did it twice.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Yeah, uh so what happened? I don't know. I mean,
like you know, it just doesn't seem I don't know.
They're limited opportunities. Obviously Judge and Frieda both had their chances.
But yep, I mean, I guess how much credit are
you do you assigned to or how much blame do

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you assign to the Yankees compared to credit to the
Blue Jays.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Look, I think again, they had the same record this year.
The Yankees have some very obvious flaws that I think
have been exploited in this series. And look, the Jays
offense is capable of doing this, especially against lefties, and
they've just they did. Like I mentioned this on Blue Sky.

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But like Lad's had a I think the Lad's gonna
end up like a forty five win player for his
career or something like even like way above the median
for the best prospect in baseball. But it's going to
feel maybe a little disappointing. But when he is on.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
I was gonna say, when he's on a heater, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Is that Grand Slam was just you know, I mean,
no one has pissed on a pitch more than Vladimir
Carrero pissed on that pitch in the history of baseball probably,
I mean outside of maybe pooholes against Brattle Lynch.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it is incandescent when he is
when he is hot, and and he's seeing it right now. Yeah,
the whole lineup is kind of Ernie clement Is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Yeah, Yankee fans. Yankees fans think they're cheating.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Sounds fine, right, they saw something that was like, oh,
they have a hotel.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Yeah, they like we've had the man in white thing
for a decade. I will just point out I've been
made aware that the Yankees wrote a strongly worded letter
to Major League Baseball about this situation. Google Yankees letter
to MLB to find out more.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
You know, the the only other thing I was going
to say here is the other part of this is, uh,
you know John Carlott, Jon Carlos standing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
The two hits in this game after it didn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Yeah, but again, this is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
The hasn't really been and he's been the guy with
the playoff reputation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
And this is the flaws in the lineup, right, like
and there's particularly I think vulnerable. They're vulnerable to lefties.
You know, their lefties are going to be vulnerable to
god'smanny A Savage because the splits, Yeah, the split the
pitch not right. Yeah, And you know this is a

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ninety one win team that got out played for win
team ninety four. Really well, good for them that. Like, again,
there are two evenly matched teams that you know that
the Toronto just beat them up at All Man's.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
There's there's a lot of obviously the Dodgers didn't beat
up the Phillies, but there's a lot of like these
are pretty even teams and it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Kind of yeah, you know this sounds gone yep. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
And one of them has Traded.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
U well, one of them Trader Savage and the other
one has Louis Heel.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
And then we talked about game one and it was
gonna be Lewis Heel and how Toronto really kind of
had to have that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
And they didn't and they did, although not against Louise Hill,
who got away with it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Yeah, I mean they pulled him very quickly, which is
I think I think you have to do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
But like he didn't even walk anything, like one walk
or something like it was it was encouraging is a
strong word whatever, but he.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Gave up four heads and two runs two home runs, Yeah, yeah,
and Guerrero had the home run in the in the
first and then Kirk got one of his two. I
mean yeah. The other part is like, look, if if
Alejandra Kirk and Dalton bar Show are gonna and Ernie
Clement are going to hit home runs, there's a little
bit of the and I've seen this kind of take.

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There's like a Brewer's vibe to the to the Blue Jays,
like if those guys are going to hit homers, you're
you're ship Ifez is hitting home runs and it's not
you're in deep ship.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Well, like we since the beginning of the season, right
like we're doing the Jay's preview, a lot of this
ones like what did they get from Alejandro Kirk this year?
Because he does length in that lineup beyond I'm glad
and Springer had Finger had like one of the Yeah,
the best season of his career. Yeah, great comeback here,

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which I think, but but in some ways even less
predictable than Alejandro Kirk, like bouncing back.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Ten Yankees come back.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Man, Look they have Rodon and are going the next
two games?

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Yeah, game five will be a problem, but like it would.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
Be do the off days work that Freed can come
back or no, I don't I got.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
I think it'll be Freed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
And I'll be on regular rest. I think they have
a better chance than the two matchups we've already talked about.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
I don't do't Bieber versus and and Schlitler is I
don't know who it's good.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
I don't know either. Frankly, I don't know. I think
they have a better chance, but like there's something other
vibe of this Yankees team that just feels it's a
little sour. It's a little sour. Yeah, look, they can
go back home and absolutely tee off on Beaber. I
would it would not surprise me. And once you do that,

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like Chiler, like they I think they can get it
back to Toronto. But I don't know. It just doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
It doesn't feel helpful to say, like can they yes?
Will they? Very unlikely? I think everyone knows that, right,
Like two games, it's two games deficit, and in a
game in a best of five series, right, you only
need to them three. So so it's all it's all obvious,
but this isn't lined up super great for them.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
I guess the benefit to your point is is Shane
Bieber doesn't have Ante splitter Y. Yeah, you know, maybe
maybe if they can get away from that, I don't know. Look,
they can absolutely win Game four if they get there,
because I don't know who to run of starts honestly, right,

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and then you get to Game five and it's Freed
versus Gosman, and as good as Gosman is, he has.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Yeah he has those starts too.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
I think they're better set up than the Phillies. You know,
I think the Phillies are a better team, honestly, but
like they you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Know, the j is really through their the J's through
their two Haymakers, and it worked for them certainly. And
now it's like, I think they're obviously huge favorites the
rest of the way. But I do think the Yankees,
if I if a team I was with, they would
get to a Game five. Out of these three, I
think it's the Yankees have the best chance. So now
watch the Cubs do it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
But which is a good A good opportunity? I can
give you the pakodads of of this. The Yankees have
a fifteen percent chance to win the series.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
That is, that is they're going home, which I think
matters here too.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
That is not the best because I forgot Pakota really
either doesn't like Milwaukee or or maybe both.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
The The Phillies have.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
A nine point eight percent chance, and the Cubs per Pakkota,
which again I don't think is for I don't think
this is right, but have a twenty point two percent.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
That seems high.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
It seems real high.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Seems real high.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
That also might be I have to look, we might
have Kintana still as the Game three starter, and that's
that's probably impacting things a little bit here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
So I think the Blue Jays will start Eric Law
in Game four, and he did not look great when
he didn't look great?

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Are you joking? I can't tell, no, I mean I
guess that's right. I guess Bassett and Barrios are not.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
On the Yeah, they're both so yeah, Yuriel hasn't pitched yet,
so then I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Think it would be they probably do something.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
They probably lower lower. You could use your savage there
too for an inning or two. If you're not gonna
use the game five.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
Uh, well, you do a combination of Lower and Rodriguez, right,
and get them to commit to a platoon and then
flip it like that's something.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Yeah, the Yankees are obviously heavily platooned, right.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
Right, So you do or again you make them make
a decision one way or the other, which, honestly, that's
not a that's not a bad setup for Toronto.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
That works out fairly. Well. All right, let's go to
our fourth segment route for the home team. Patrick, you
were at these games, you want to take This is
a one one split, not how you would think.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
No, No, not at all, although you know in a
way offensively, yes, fair enough, the games didn't couldn't if.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
You couldn't get enough of the Guardians Tigers. Here are
the Tigers, Mariners.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Tigers brought it with them, and we got Montero in
game one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Gonna say, high leverage kider Montero.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Yep, everybody ran out of pictures. Yeah, it was so
basically Game one. Like I'll do the shorter version of
Craig's recap and say that in game one, No, no,
I'm just s George Kirby pitched Carry Carpenter and in
Game two, Luis Castillo did not in the crucial third time.

(01:14:43):
And in the first game, Carry Carpenter hit a tow
run home run. In the second game, Carry Carpenter did
not hit, and the marriage.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
One to that point, I saw this in I think
he mentioned the same thing, right Carry Carpenter.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
It was it was the very clearly the biggest moment,
and everyone in the stadium knew it. So Aaron Carpenter
was getting booed like like he in that same game.
Was very funny.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
So the thing about this is and and look, I
think the way Joe wrote it was kind of like,
we don't really know that much about Dan Wilson, the managers,
and we don't know anything about him as a playoff.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Manager, Like is he gonna learn from anything? And so
you could you could argue he.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Learned here, he learned something.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Okay, you could also argue that there's a big gap
between George Kirby and Louise Castillo and that if it's
Logan Gilbert, he might let him do it again, because
Logan Gilbert and George Kirby are a lot closer to
each other than George Kirby and Louis Castillo are.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
They certainly in later in game two did let Matt
Brash right hand or face the entire left handed core
of the Detroit Tigers when Caleb Ferguson was just sitting
there on the and the end of the bullp and
their other left hander. So obviously it's not you know, like,
I don't think Wilson's well, the Marriers don't platow as

(01:16:08):
much and their riggers do. The Diggers really do, and
the Mariners have never really had to offensively. They don't
like they do it some left but their bullpen has
never been so strong all year that they're like, well,
let's pick from our many options, let's go with the lefty.
And I don't I don't think Wilson like is just
as geared towards doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
And I feel like Matt Brash is the eighth inning guy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Right guy is more important than the left hander, I
think in terms of Wilson's mental hierarchy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
And Brash has the stop that's capable of rowing lefties,
but like it's also kind of a platoony repertoire.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Right And it did work in Game two, like they did.
They did get Carpenter out in the eighth as well.
It wasn't as you know, it was a little scarier
because because Brash is like, you know, he blew the
save obviously in the sense that he sort of blew
the safe. Josh Naylor kind of blew the safe. But

(01:17:10):
but yeah, like Brash has not looked overly sharp and
Brush will never know it's gonna say it is he
throws pitches in a way that no one should be
expect him to aim.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
That was like thing like he was a fairly divisive
prospect internally when we were doing it. I just never like,
he's this and it's kind of what I figured he
would be. And it's fine, even good, you could argue,
but yeah, he's It's like there's a little bit of
like a Ryan Kirkering here where it's like the stuff
is like it should be better than it is, but

(01:17:48):
it's like thirty command instead of forty command.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
You keep waiting for him to get that extra graat command.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
The stuff should be the stuff is the.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Stuff the outcomes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
But yeah, So so Game one, uh, basically you had
you had the Carboner home run, you had the Mariners.
Basically the Marine layer is back. The Mariners hit a
lot of long fly balls that died about.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, they don't even have.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
And and who I think Julio had them and like
back to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Back yes, yeah, and like their biggest threat I think
was in the eighth between Yeah, and and you know
it just the Tigers bullpen in Game one was incredible.
It was like, what like the finest performance by seven

(01:18:45):
dudes in one game that I think I've seen in
a long time. They threw like eighty percent strikes. I
mean the Mariners were swinging it so many first pitches
and hitting so many flyballs, and you couldn't blame them
because all their only choice was to do that or
then do that in with no one count and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
There was Patrick We need to know the costs of
Raphael Montero.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Did did arrive. Yeah, and you know he was the
only reliever who didn't have it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
I wrote, like it's wild to like, having essentially spent
my entire prospect writing career we had Rafael Montero around.
It's like twenty eleven was like his I recall was
a year he like blitzed three levels in the Mets system.
Like it's it's like not nothing surprised manymore so she

(01:19:37):
would like like the fact that he's still you know what,
thirty four an hour or whatever, pitching as a believer
in the majors. I guess it's not it's not a
particularly surprising outcome, but man, the path he's gotten there to,
like pitching leverage innings for the Tigers in twenty twenty
five in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Uh, Raphael Montero, by the way, you know, has earned
in his lifetime, like a lot of money. Fifty million dollars. Yeah,
after twenty one million dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Astros paid and he was like, you know, he signed
for it, signed for like one hundred and fifty k
over eight TI recall these are the kind of things
I remember. But yeah, man, so yeah, so that was
a game more frospect than Jacob de Grom when they
both came up the same week.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Yep, I you know, it made the joke about it
going eighteen, and so it went eleven. It felt like eighteen.
It was a long game. It was a long It
was three hours and twenty minutes, but it was a long,
three hour long.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
Yeah, it was the Tigers eventually twenty twenty minutes of
a three to two game.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Yes, yes, the Tigers finally broke through the eleventh when
they basically it was the Mariners ran out of relievers
because they have they have an incredible bullpen for five guys,
and then you hit they hit pitcher number six and uh,
well and they.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Got two innings out of Andre's nuns, who I think
had gone more than one inning once all year.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Yeah. Uh. And then it was basically a walk, a
pass ball and uh and then a ground ball like
that barely snuck under a glove and that was it.
And it was like you watch it and you're like, well,
why doesn't that happen ten times a game? And it
didn't just and for maybe for some teams it does.

(01:21:12):
In this case, it happened. It took you know, eleven
innings for one team to do it once, and that
was that was the difference.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
And the game was Kyder Montero hold out. I do
want to add one thing. On Game one, Detroit struck
out sixteen times.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Yes, yeah, I just yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
It's kind of staggering to win a game. I know
there were there were two extra dans, but staggering to
win a game in which you strike out sixteen times
out of out of what thirty three outs?

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Right? Yep?

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Anyway, go ahead games yeah, they could.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
They should have been funny. They should have been popping
those up, you know, three hundred fifty feet deep into
the year, that's right the field instead. So Game two,
essentially the Mariners used five relievers, and therefore they won
because they used their five They basically just had their
five good pictures pitch and each of them took an
inning or an inning and a third and mowed the
Tigers down. The only the only time the Tigers threatened

(01:22:07):
was in the eighth win Brash was pitching, and that
was essentially because Josh Naylor, Oh boy, I mean it
was not a soft hit ground ball the first but
Josh Naylor, Josh Naylor will by the end of the
series have one of the worst rounds of a postseason.

(01:22:27):
Uh he has. Uh, let's see, he is over eight
with a walk and uh and he has he had
a large error that almost lost the game. And then
he will be Uh he's gone. Now he's not. He
did not travel with the team.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
His his is giving birth.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
His wife is giving birth. That that is. But but
you know he's leaving on a personal reason. They actually
they'll probably I think they're going to give the announcement. Uh,
probably right now actually while we're recording this about what's
what's actually going on. But they've been kind of cagy
about explaining what it was because you could just say,
you know, like everyone knows his wife's giving birth, and
it could just say his wife's giving birth. But it's
a personal manner. But whatever it is, like, it's fine,

(01:23:12):
just just a rough time for Josh Naylor, who who
has not looked good and is uh has the the
worst champion Championship win percentage on the Mariners for this series.
But the them survived it and then and then you know,
it's very funny that in the bottom of the eighth

(01:23:33):
as an answer after the Tigers did all that bullshit
in Game one, uh Raley hit a double and then
Julio hit a double and that was it. That's all.
That's all it really takes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
We should not we haven't actually mentioned this yet. They
did win the Trek schoogl start, yeah, yeah, and he
pitched Gray to give up two solo home rudes and.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Rhey, Polanco hit two center cut pitches, yeah, the worst
of pitches.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Scoobal does occasionally like his command isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Like everyone bit yeah, except for except for Blake.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
I was gonna say, did you see the Michael that
was crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
It's usually not again, it's usually not Jorge Polongo, Like
if Randy rose Arena had done.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
It, he did it twice.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Yeah, maybe don't throw that pitch again, Terrek.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
They were doing the pitches.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
One was was a really bad slider and you're like, okay,
Like he sped up.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
On the it's still ninety two.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
So he stoped up but not that much and he
caught it out front and just hammered a slider to
the left center.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Fine.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
The second one was a fast ball.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
The second one was ninety nine. It was a sinker
and he just tap tued it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
Or alongo maybe side.

Speaker 4 (01:24:53):
From the right side. He hit twenty one of his
twenty six on or something like that. He hit five
homers this year from the right side in one game
of Eric's Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
Uh yeah, that's all you need to win that game.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
So yeah, So the the Mariners and Tigers will head
back to Detroit today. They'll be playing in two hours
from when we were finished this recording, and it'll be uh,
it'll be Logan Gilbert finally their best pitcher. We'll finally
pitch in the third game of the series, and he'll
face Jack Flarity. They're gonna they went Mize Flaherty in

(01:25:34):
the in the Guardian series, and now they're gonna do
Clarity Mice. I'm not sure if they're just giving Mice
the extra time because he's little.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
Yeah, he's a little more not that Jack Flarerity. Isn't
Jack Clarity as well?

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Yeah? So you know, ordinarily you're like, who has the
advantage here in the dock? And ordinarily you would think, well,
you know, the Tigers just need to get to Game five, right,
Like that's the point, Like the pressure is on the
Mariners to win both of these games. They don't have
to beat School, but of course they just Beato.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
So it's a nice trick. I don't know if you
want to try it twice.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
So yeah, four times, because they beat him twice in
the regular season. Uh, I think the Mariners have to.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
I mean they're the better they're the better team, right,
they have a deeper rotation that they're going to get to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Part of that is Logan Gilbert gets to pitch instead.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
Of right, they get to throw because of the they
get to throw Gilberts.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
I don't know what four brings. I guess Brian wou
didn't make.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
The is it I think because I think Kirby will
be able.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
To extra because the Kirby because yeah, they got Gilbert
and they could win these next two games with Gilbert
and Kirby against Clarity and Mines very easily. I think
I think it goes five. I think the Tigers go
home and get one of these. Again, it's two, righty's,
so they get the if.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
You if you think it goes five, who has the advantage.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Yeah, I mean I I picked the Tigers in five,
said I didn't think I'm sticking with that. Yeah. Again,
there was definitely some Tigers fuckery in these two games too,
so yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Yeah, it's funny that it's funny you picked A and
five and we picked Seattle in four and those are
the two outcomes.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Uh, I think the Mariners will will win the next
two games. I think that's the most likely by plurality.
I think that's the most likely outcome.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
Yeah, I mean the Tigers. There's a lot of Tigers
Guardian's energy to the Tigers right now.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
I don't care like Jack Flaherty could throw like six
shutout against this marriage. I know, it's a good Mariners lineup,
but also, like I think I said that in the chat,
like the good Mariner's line up, Like dominic can Zone
is in the game right now, what's happening?

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
I don't know, domine dominic Can Zone is like a
one thirty oh ps plus and nobody has ever seen
him get a hit.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
Yeah, I mean the other part is to your to
your point about this, So like Josh Nayler has been
really bad and it's funny though it feels like obviously
it's been bad in the field and not to play,
but like Josh Naylor is a big.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
Reason why the Mariners are here, yea, like he was
that was the perfect pick up for the regular See,
it just hasn't ye Like, it feels like Mariners fans
are like not really sorry to.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
See you go, pal, but it's.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
Like maybe you should be like like is this now
bearrying Luke Raley?

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Like so like if you like, you know, like, what
are they going to bring like the twenty twenty six
version of like Mike Ford next year if they don't
have Naylor?

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Like, well, yeah, I agree, that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Really is not the answer obviously after having you know,
a fine twenty twenty four really is not it will Yeah,
I don't know. I mean, these can's owned the first basement.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
You pretty good guys, are Afielder is anything?

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Yeah? They got some Yeah, I don't know they do.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
You guys are gonna this is not related to this series.
I should have brought this up in the Cup series.

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
But there was like a little bit of breaking news
that I saw via Chris Towers, like a screenshot of
Jesse Rogers.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Did you see this about Kyle?

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
This is I apologize everyone is completely not related to
the series.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
But otherwise we're moving.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
On Sound the Horn.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
This is a quick round.

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
But Jesse Rodgers posts about Michael Bush against lefties and
why they played Justin Turner just for the first that
whatever right. Someone replied to him and said, Jesse, I
have to think they're not signing Tucker right, and he
said no, they were never going to anyone that said
different was wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
Well, congratulations trading a lot of stuff for Kyle Tucker
and going out in the l the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
That is a wild look I have. I don't Jesse Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
Is plugged and they've told him that. I don't think
he is making it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
That's a wild thing to say to someone that's a
that's a story you write about for ESPN dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
Is it not a thing?

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
It's a To put that in a reply, that's crazy.
I'm not trying to dig Jesse, it's just that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
And he just tweeted it out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
Yeah, well I just had not heard it so assuredly.
I mean, it's not it's.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
Tucker had a weird season, I don't know season.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
He was also very crucial to them during significantly got hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Yeah, he was like having the Kyle Tucker years, right,
Like I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Well, and now maybe the Kyle Tucker year means being
getting hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
I don't know, but like I know they have outfields,
like we're just like they didn't want to play Casey
and al Contra. Are they just gonna Are they gonna
like they're just.

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
Gonna do which is I don't know that that's even
necessarily wrong, but like it's very confused you're making it might.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
Be wrong, but look, I like Kyle Tucker is Kyle
Tucker Like yeah, uh okay, they're going to spend the
four hundred and fifty million they would have given Kyle
Tucker elsewhere so well, and that I.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
Mean that's that's the beauty of having Owen, Casey and
Kevin on contract.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
Yea, and spend it all on some Rickett senatorial run somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
All right, that was your your quicker around the horn.
Let's go to the game. It's a lightning round. It's
been a while, but let's do it. Let's see who
win first. Last time.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
I have gone first last couple of.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Times, so Craig will go first this time.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
So I love watching Craig's face during this.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Okay, So, Craig, there are ten questions. Answer them as
quickly as you can responsibly do. So are you ready? Yeah?
One award did Tommy ag win in his fifth major
league season.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Off to a good start?

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
Jeff can't hear me? I don't know. I don't know
who that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Is Tommy ag guts? Fine?

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
Uh? What award did he win in his what season? Fifties?
You know, I'm gonna say Rookie of the Year. It's
gonna be weird, and I think you're doing a weird thing,
and I think it's gonna be Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
So, right about, how much does Major League Baseball, as
an estimated spend on game used baseballs during a season.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Oh wow, I have no idea. That is a hell
of a question. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Temm me ag by the way I had twenty five
or over a twelve years.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
Okay, I think I heard the name, but like, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
Any Jeff will know him because he is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
I mean, like I they make the balls. I don't know.
I don't know ten million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Okay, I have no idea that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
Could be like that could be so so small.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
And so who who is the last picture to throw
a complete game shutout in the postseason?

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
Oh, that's a great question. The last complete and shutout.
I I don't know. I'm trying. I'll try and be responsible.
This doesn't feel right, but I'll just say error school.
I mean, I'm sure it's gonna be someone much bigger
than that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Who is the only player since Reggie Jackson to win
two World Series MVP Awards or a seer? Who is
the Deputy Commissioner of Baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Danna Halla?

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
What is the official beer of Major League Baseball?

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
Oh? I think it's that's what's the official beer? I'm
gonna say botherwiseer Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Major League Baseball is currently hiring an investigator to join
the league's Department of Investigations. What do you believe the
annual salary of the position is.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
It's not a range.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
They don't there's a range, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna
You're gonna shoot for the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Okay. Eighty thousand dollars?

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Okay? What is the most walks ever given up in
a one hitter?

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Ever?

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Ever?

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Boy? I don't know? Seven?

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Okay? Uh? Who was the first person to have their
name included in a video baseball game?

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Can I? Can I phone a friend? Can I call
Mark first? The first baseball player ever to name have.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Their name on the in the title, in the title,
in the title, just not advertising it in the title
of theme.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
That's a great question. I don't know. I don't know.
Cal ripten.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
And on eBay. On eBay, there's currently one unsold three
by five index card bearing the autograph of Nibil Chris
Man with shipping. How much would it cost to put
down the starting bed?

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
I don't know what shipping costs. If if the actual
price was ninety cents or something like that, WIT's shipping
two dollars and thirty cents?

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
All right, thank you very much. Jeff, that's that's a
good round. I think it terribly, but that's a good round.
All right, good questions? All right, we don't know how
many points Craig cast because it will depend on how
much closer you are on some of these times, and
I can't give you that information yet. But we'll start
with with question number one. What award did Tommy ag

(01:35:34):
Win in his fifth Major League season Rookie of the
Year about how much does Major League Baseball spend? Estimated
on game used baseballs in the season.

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
Six hundred and seventy five.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Was the last picture to throw a complete game shutout
in the postseason game?

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
Oh, that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
They're all good. On's Jeff.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
M H.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
Dallas Kichel, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Who's the only player since Reggie Jackson to win two
World Series MVP awards?

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
M H.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
It's also a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
They're all good.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
They're all good. Madison Bumgarner, who is the Deputy Commissioner
of Baseball? Oh, come on, I have no idea pass
all right?

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
What is the official Major League or what is the
official beer of Major League Baseball?

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
Also a good one. Mmm, let's go with Miller Lite.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Uh MLB is currently hiring an investigator to join the
league's Department of Investigations. What is the annual salary of
the position?

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
One hundred and seventy five dollars?

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
What is the most walks ever given up in a
one hitter?

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
A one hitter, A one hitter? I just want to number.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Yep, whoever's closest wins?

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Uh nine?

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
Oh that reside? Oh no, just for the yes.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Who was the first person to have their name included
in the title of a baseball video game?

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
Tony LaRussa.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
And lastly on eBay, there is currently one unsold three
x five index card bearing the autograph of Nibiel chris Man.
With shipping how much would it cost?

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
They always get you on shipping?

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Well, factor into the how much would it cost to
put down the starting bid? It currently has no bids.
One bid will probably win it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
Okay, good good information for me after this podcast. Seven
dollars and eighty five cents.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
All right, amazingly we have we've kind of talk. No,
just four to four. Well done on both of them,
both of you. Good John. Four is a pretty high
number for the lighting run, especially when.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
Even though there were a lot of ones that one
of us had to get a point.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
To get all right, what award to Tommy ag Win
his fifth major league season? It was, in fact the
Rookie of the Year for me. Yeah. He had a
total of let's see, I think it was seventy eight
played appearances in his first four seasons, three with Cleveland
and one with the White Sox. He then went to

(01:38:50):
the All Star Game, win Rookie of the Year gold Glove,
and was eighth in the MVP vote in his first
full major league season. About how much does Major League
Baseball spin on game used baseballs and it's season? The
estimate I saw was around ten million. Oh, there's no
way one million base balls they estimate.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
Are used, and there's ten bucks a piece.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Just for what it's worth. Jeff, I guessed ten million, Yes, honestly.

Speaker 4 (01:39:17):
My other thought my other guests was going to be
like three hundred and fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
Yeah, So, like I was completely.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
All around, I was worried about how how accurate this
estimate is. But I do feel pretty comfortable saying Craig's
close around this. Yeah, that's probably who was the last
picture to throw a complete game shot out of the
world in the postseason. It was Madison bung grounder in
twenty sixteen the wildcard round. When the wildcard round, I.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
Don't want to know that because it was against the Mets.
I thought Jeff Kaiko threw one in the wildcard round too,
didn't he against the Yankees. I feel like it might
have been earlier. It might have been like twenty fifteen,
who was.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
The only player since Reggie Jackson to win two World
Series MVP Awards. That would be Corey Seeger twenty twenty,
the Daughters playing twenty three of the Rangers. The de
Commissioner of Baseball is, in fact Dan Hallum.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
I thought, you know, I almost said Hallem, but like
I just I don't know why I didn't just say it,
because I could have said anything.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
But you could have said anything.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Yeah, I would won, and I didn't get anything else right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
The rest of the way pretty much. Yeah, with the
official Major League Baseball beer is Corona.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
Oh. I almost said Corona because I'd like see a
lot of their ads, but I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
Ye, there's there's like slightly more ads for Corona than
other beers, and that's the only way you would know. Yeah.
The investigator Living Mosque guys Jeff Jeff gets his baseball revenge.
Because the investigator that MLB is hiring is being paid
between one hundred and fifteen one hundred and seventy thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
I thought they'd be cheap as hell. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
No, none on that kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
Sit, not for people in suits.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Yeah no, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
The most walks ever given up in a one hitter,
the answer is thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
Yeah, I almost thirteen walks.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Let's see, what did you guess, Jeff?

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
I guess nine.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
Yeah, thirteen is the the record ever. That was in
July sixth nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:41:02):
I wish I had known it was closed. I probably
would have guessed higher than seven if it was.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Wins maybe so uh, peak Peach Chiner pitched eight innings,
give up one hit, thirteen walks, one strikeout, six runs,
and got the win because we we do not I
don't have they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
Come ont Oh it was nineteen eighteen.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
Sorry, it was definitely gonna be like the teens in
their twenties. I knew that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
Yeah, so uh the modern Major League record, modern being
the Sam Miller definition would be Randy Johnson, July seventeen,
ninety one.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
Yeap, especially it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Yeah, you had a line of four innings, half the innings,
half the batters faced.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
Lake snow wishes.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
Although Rainy only struck out four that day through one
hundred and three pitches, forty eight strikes.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
More shikes than I would have expected that seven.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
Strikes and swinging is the incredible part of the Brew
is very disciplined. Yeah, and the Mariners didn't had goan
up to lose that game because Bill Wegman through a
complete game and only lost the shutout because he gave
up an underd and run. So there you go. The
first player, the first person have their name in the
title of a baseball video game would be Earl Weaver.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
Ol.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
Yeah, Ripkins was like ninety I think.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
I knew it was way too late, but I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
The the sponsorship of baseball games started happening, you know,
basically like a year or two later, and finally on eBay,
thedil Chris matt autographed. There are a few autograph things
on there, but I felt like this was the purest
the index car. I like, the index card is the
the because like it's an index card, you can't get Yeah,

(01:43:09):
it's not a ball. The ball obviously it is worth
ten bucks by itself. Right, the index card is not
worth anything, so like the value of it is just
the sheer signature. The price is eight dollars plus a
dollar fifty shipping, so nine fifty. So Jeff gets that
too much.

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
I went, I went really low, well because I bought
I bought a card for you, Patrick, and I think
it was like legitimately to two bucks or three bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Ye. Like to ship a card is to put it
in an envelope, like you're not shipping, should not be
a dollar for that, it's putting it in an envelope.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
No, well, so, so theoretically it depends on how to
be saved pandmal. Sometimes it's a panadomalo to be safe.
Sometimes people will just take like cut a cereal box
and tape some cardboard around the card to make sure
it doesn't get damaged. It really basically depends on how
much you want to deal with a a buyer complaining

(01:44:02):
ah huh, right, So you put five dollars on there,
and you wrap it up and bubble it, and then
you're like, well, I may not get as much money
for this, but at least I'll never have to think
about this again. Whereas the buyer wants to be like,
you know, with a lot of cards, You're just like,
I will take the eighty percent chance that this card
actually shows up, you know, to get to spend a
dollar on it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
So yeah, I mean, what is one of those little
plastic sleeves cost?

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Oh, the like the hard sleeves, like a quarter?

Speaker 4 (01:44:29):
Yeah right, So but my thought is that an envelope
and you're saving on shipping and.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
Collectors are insane.

Speaker 4 (01:44:37):
The position is incredible. I'm just saying where I'm coming from. Yeah,
I know, right, is that I didn't think shipping. I also,
I have to be honest. I said, I thought the
value of the signature itself was going to be ninety cents,
and apparently it's eight dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
So well, I mean it's eight dollars to somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:44:52):
You, oh, it's Jeff worth more than me. I'm trying
to put myself in the in the position of a
normal person.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
Yeah, other things currently for sale.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
That was actually buying by five index cards with Abula
Chasmt's picture.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
That's ninety cents.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Yeah, that was actually the cheapest thing you could buy
from the bil A baseball is fifty dollars. Your best offer,
I think the best offer is going to win on
that one.

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
Look, the bill is free right now. We didn't at
the moment. You can get the man he.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
Was, walk up to him with a fake contract and
get him designed.

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
We didn't cover it around the horn, but no buil
Chasmt has declared free agencies.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
You can get a signed eight by ten glossy for
eighteen dollars. Uh. He's in the Phillies.

Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
Must see like a spring training photo that probably Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
You can tell the era because he's doing the see
through pants.

Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
Oh man, no we can't.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
Yeah, no they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
I don't think they weren't.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
I guess they were kind of still see through this year.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
Yeah, they didn't fix them this year. Yeah, only the jerseys.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
And he has signed the photo near the pants like
he's really bringing attention to it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
Sure, man, I got it, Yeah, yeah, I had.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
I just I cannot believe how dumb the story we
had the little letters on the jersey what how stupid
Jesus so ridiculous. I can't believe that was a season
long thing last year.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
That's absolutely insane, as as somebody who's had to live
with the Mariners curning for years, like.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
It was nice that the rest of you had to
suffer along with me about Jersey complaints for a little while.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
Fair enough, you do that by hand, right, we do something.
It's very weird, very weird. All right, Well, thank you
for the game, Patrick. It was good. They were all
good ones.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
So that thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:46:41):
Thank you you guys for coasting this episode, and thank
you to our listeners for tuning into another episode of
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You can get in touch with the show at five
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Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
We'll be in that feed. Thank you again. We'll see
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