Five and Dive, Episode 498: Nathan Lukes for You

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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Welcome to episode four ninety eight of five and dive
in is Friday, October tenth. I'm your host, Craig Goldstein,
joined as usual by Patrick Debut and Jeffrey pattern Nostro.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Just on a banter item. I wanted to I meant
to say this last time because I.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Went to Game two in the Phillies Dodgers series and
I just wanted to reiterate my love for the fans
in Philly. I know they they get a they have
a reputation, but I think they're really good at at
giving people the business without it being like over the
I know they do go over the line.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I'm not saying that doesn't happen wonderful today, but okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Sure, no, no, I look that's fans everywhere, are all right.
I understand that, but like the in game experience of
they'll heckle, but it's not, at least in my experience
over the line. This has happened every time I've gone there,
especially in the playoff games. I say this, I loved.
I walked in and as we're walking in, my dad

(01:29):
and I someone goes, we got we got domestic terrorists here,
but like there was nothing behind you know what I mean,
Like it was it's almost.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Loving, like it's it's in its hatred.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
You know, it's is the product of a lot of practice.
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Agreed, agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
But I'm just saying, like I think giving people the
business is an art and these are artists.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
There was a the person the row in front of us,
a Dodgers fan. She wouldn't sit down in the second
and you know, everyone stood the first inning, so no
one cares, but she was the only person in the
whole section standing directly in my view of home plate whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
And they're just relentless there. There's Dodgers fans, you know,
they're like, it's Dodgers fans.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
It's not even a And then like.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
It starts off like like a gentle prod. Another person
had like tapped her and said could you sit down?
She refused, and then it just they just went in it.
They're they're beautiful people, is all I'm trying to say.
I love I love the experience. I think they're great.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
You know, again there's there's aggression, but it's I think
it's all within the bounce.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I love it. Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Anyway, that's my banter. I just wanted to love letter
to the people of Philadelphia. I suppose easy for me
to say today, but do you guys have any We'll
get to that.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Do you have any banter?

Speaker 3 (02:54):
I am, it's October now, I did it this week.
She did a phil lash too. I am drinking hot
coffee now.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Oh there's much thing.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
I won't drink anymore ice coffee. I am from New England,
but the hot.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I'll never join you. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, I was going to say, is it wearing flannel
because you're were I didn't remember the last show, but
you got a little You have a little flannel.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
I may have warm flannel then too.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
It's like it's also not as cold and Maryland as
it is in Utah. I'm guessing.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Well, it's October and April are usually like this. It's
like forty three degrees when I leave the house in
seventy degrees by eleven am.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was in the forties this morning,
so I get.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, my kid's getting into flannel.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
So there's a lot of layers. I mean, you're from
Seattle and its culture. It's the culture.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah, all right, any any banter, Patrick or I just
want to I just want to note that I'm very
confused this morning to be listening to a Korean country song.
I was not expecting that, and it's pretty good, and
so yeah, very weird, Like is this something that like
everybody knows about that, I'm unaware you no one knows

(04:03):
about that.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
We know foreign music, No, just I.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Knew who they were, so I just I you know.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
We edit until late. I was working until you know,
one in the morning, and like sometimes at a certain
point in the morning, the music just kind of goes.
You know. What used to be promising about the algorithm
is that like you would just get taken somewhere, and
like in this case, yeah, it was just like, okay,
this music I am Yeah exactly, it felt like it. Yeah. Yeah,

(04:39):
so there was some baseball.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
There's sure was.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
We can get right into it. Our first segment. Throw
me into the Delaware and leave me at the down
at the bottom there. Excuse me, Uh, this is the
Dodgers Phillies series. We'll go over game three and four,
not in detail. I was gonna say, Jeff, why don't
you take command of this just to save everybody.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
I don't want to fall into it. I heard the
feedback in the real time and after I understand and
I do apologize to everybody. So I'm gonna I'm gonna
make sure it's not a problem.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
What Craig's trying to say is that the better team lost.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Maybe maybe, but but we could.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Go trying to say as the Dodgers badly needed Tanner
Scott for this series. No, uh so Game three in
l A. I honestly it was going to be a sweep,
especially when Aaron Nola was starting. I mean Aaronola not
pitch particularly long.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
And then I think I had said one time through
potentially and he went eight batters.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
And then Rangers Suarez, who could have I supposed to
started the game, came in and shoved the rest of the.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Way because that's what Ranger Swors does.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
In the playoffs specifically, we talked about this like he's
one of the best playoffs.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
He deserves more credit for this.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
I think it's part just like the Phillies haven't won anything.
I guess like like he doesn't have like the signature
does he had, Like a signature.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Isn't well and a lot of it has been.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Five innings five I'm not trying to say, but it's
not no, for sure, It's I'm not taking anything away
from him on that. I I think I said last
pot like he's one of the best playoff pitchers going.
It's just that, like it's not like there's that indelible
like here he is in the eighth inning, just completely
shutting them down kind of kind of thing. It's not

(06:33):
Zach Wheeler somehow, even though he's.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Not Cam Schlitzler.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yes, somehow, well, I guess we'll get to that, but
it's not Cam Schlittler, you know what I mean though,
Like there isn't that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
It's like Baseball Patrick like the last complete game shut
out with Madison Bumguarter in the twenty sixteen Wild Card,
which I have probably blacked out of my memory for
obvious reasons. But like these like signature pitching performances are
much rarer, I guess just because they don't like pitchers.

(07:09):
Starters just don't go that deep anymore. Actually, especially the
last five years. Maybe like you go back to the
you know, you can find like you Darvish starts and
you find got it's still going. It's like seven eight innings,
I think before twenty twenty or so, Wheeler.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
I think, yeah, speaking of which, like, I don't think
it helps Suarez this case. That Wheeler is right there.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Probably should have gone eight against the match last year.
It might have actually so looking at game one, but.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah, I mean I go ahead, Patrick, looking at championship
win percent at one of my favorite stats that doesn't
really need anything, but it's fun. Suarez has a twenty
two percent for his career, which is you know, over
four seasons, he's been in the playoffs four times, which
is good, it's very good.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
It is right around where Kelly Jansen is for his
entire career. It is right around where David Robertson is somehow, Yeah,
you would think David Robinson would have a negative one,
but no, he's actually been pretty active for his entire career.
He's also been to the playoffs like fourteen times.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Right, I mean that situational too, right, Like right, unie,
Like he starts one game seven of a c S
and wins, right, that moves at all?

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Right?

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Right?

Speaker 4 (08:17):
So yeah, so so Suarez is twenty two, Wheeler has
thirty one percent. So it's just like.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yea, just like when you pitch, if you're pitching down
to one versus you know, three, three, or they're pitching
the first game of the series or whatever.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, I just looked up. I looked up both of
their postseason game game longs, and Wheeler has not thrown
in today. He's turned seven.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
He's turned seven three separate times, but you know that's yeah,
and he's turned six a bunch. Suarez has never thrown
more than five and a third. Five and a third
against Arizona in the.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
World Series, he was very good. I'm sorry, and I'll see. Yes,
obviously he was very good. But even yes yesterday because
he came in after Nola or not yesterday, this series
he threw five.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
It's just consistently, I don't always know why they're taking
him out, right.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
I mean, I guess it's he's not like a Max effort.
He isn't. But I think you get to that point
in the game and like do you want to hand
it over? I mean they handed like yesterday handed over
to Johan Duran for they.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Were they were warming up Duran.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah, for the eighth in just like the way it
is like and again like yeah, think, but I don't
Madison Madison Bumgarner was eleven years ago.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Now, like I know, I know that's the game.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
But also like we know Ranger Suarez can throw six in,
like we know that about him.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
But I think in that spot you'd rather have Johan
Durant just because for the next three batters, the next
six batters, Like that's why. That's why Johann Durant is
your clothes, right, That's why he's your lover guy, Like
that's that is the job description of the playoffs. I mean,
like the signature, one of the signatures starting pitching moments

(10:09):
in the last half decade in the playoffs is Blake's
now getting pulled early, right, Like, yeah, that's kind of
what playoff baseball is now. Ye baseball is also Clayton
Karshaw getting shelled, apparently because that also.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Happened the tradition as old as time.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
I think, whatever, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, I said before this series, like, oh, make him
the closes or whatever.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Obviously it's rookies to socket. Yeah that's funny.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I don't think it's I said this online, but I
thought going to him in the seventh was darkly funny.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, just his Apparently the issue is the eighthan this year,
but yeah, it's a new a new wrinkle on an
old tune, but for him, obviously it's it was darkly funny,
and he was awful in the seventh and got out
of it thanks to hard hit balls too outfielders to
send them back out to the eighth at the time

(11:07):
was legitimate lunacy. It was a three to one game. Well,
at least want to make the Phillies use used to
ran for two innings because you're probably laying a game
the next night or afternoon as it was.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
And as nobody seemed to know that, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
No, we can get them, it doesn't matter, I mean,
and then the Phillies absolutely just I mean, he detonated.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Right, They just just destroyed him. And some of this
was sin eating in a way intended, non intended.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
But it turns out Tanner Scott was not available. Not
that Tanner Scott helps the situation, but like Kershaw, did
not have it. Sometimes you don't have it, and he
didn't have it, and there was no way he should
have seen a second inning except Tanner Scott wasn't in
the building.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, he had an abscess in.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
A lower body comedy.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
I don't even know if it's an extremity, it's just
a lower body. Yeah, exactly exactly, so he was not
even in the building. They had other pictures, I suppose,
but I think I think this was basically a punt in.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
A lot of phases.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Is theoretically around, right, I thought that point.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
No, that was the next day and they said he
had used They had used him in like a simulated
they were throwing some simulated you know, I don't practice
or simulated innings or whatever. So he had like grown
on Tuesday on what day is it?

Speaker 1 (12:56):
On Wednesday, So he wouldn't have been even if they
could have added him to the roster, they couldn't have
used him, which is also I believe why they didn't
use him in game four. I don't think he was recovered.
He he basically pitched on Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Very weird, very dumb, I mean, insane.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yes, thank you. Also, presumably you have like a bunch
of pictures, Yeah, laying around the decline should be around, right,
like any.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Maybe the taxi squad. Right, yeah, we're gonna throw all
our pictures on the taxi.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Someone who's not even on the taxi squad.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
You're in LA. I'm sure some of them are around.
I'm just saying, like that's bananas to me. That feels
I don't know, that's insane anyway. So he wasn't available,
so so I think he just ate ship and he
ate a lot of ship.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
And go on.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah I did. There was some victory lapping of this.
And again I don't mind it per se of Kershaw,
of Kershaw getting shut this.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Is what look before he stuck every foot his own
and others in his mouth to about stupid. And that's
the nicest way of putting it. Yeah, with with with
his comments and with his actions, this is people love
to do this.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
With sure, even it's like I just don't think like
JT reil Mudo of all people homering off him is
a great victory for leftism or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Right, Yeah, I mean, look, there's here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, look, there's value in just not doing what Kershaw did.
But also like you know, like it's not.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well and the thing is like it's I think it's
fine if we don't know some things about certain people.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
We know a lot about the Phillies. Yeah, we did
the most unvaccinated team in the world. Yes, so whatever,
But I think I am understanding that you take your
wins where you can get.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Them, sure, and like I don't like something.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
You know, you he's exploded. We don't. I guess we
don't know what JT.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Realmuto thinks of of Pride Days, right he do we
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
He wore like a Jesus one sure, like.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Like okay, but regards but regardless, like we explicitly know.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yes, I'm just saying, like it's fine, like in the
moment as a fan, ye playing that team that doesn't
like Clayton Kershaw, that's fine. I'm just saying this is
not some great like you know, there's.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
A little bit of hypocrisy there and also always is
a little bit, and it's okay, it's fine, and that
this is a game for a great pitching matchup that
played out as a great pitching matchup both Christopher Sanchez
and Tyler Glass.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Now it's great. Uh traded Zeros is still not having
a great like it feels like he should. Like it's
been up and down, I guess, but.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
He had the he had the really bad out in
against Cincinnati. Right in Cincinnati, he was fine. He gave
up a run, but Andy Pyees played that one into
a triple and then run I thought he was fine
in this one he played it was his own fault.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, but real Nudo flared one for a single.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
They got a double play ball that he screwed up
and and he didn't know where the bag was.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
He missed the throw. Throw goes in the dugout run
around second, and Nick Casianos has two hits in the
series and they're both massively important doubles. Uh. As it
turns out, the question to me was should they have
gone to seat him? Here? You have Tyler Glass now
at eighty three pitches.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Right, so, but at the time I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
He threw the pen too in this series already, Like
I get you a little more there, like she and
on its face should be fine, but.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
It's the Dodgers bullpen. I know, well, I would have
it absent the crampy and I would have thrown.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
They get it back on a basis loaded walk because
God just can't hit with runners and scoring position. As
we know then rookie soety.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Managers cannot help but walk the bases loaded into.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, right, I mean, I mean, like I I still
think you pitched the bets there instead of Otani, but
you do put yourself in a situation where if you walk.
I know Tani's been terrible this series, but I mean.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Why why do you have your Yeah to your point,
like they brought him in.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
I know, I think you like, I think you like
your chances of him throwing a hundred past bets and
Otani like.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I I think it's it. Well, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
And Otani had homerd off of Doran when he was
a Twintani.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Runs well, and you set up a force at every base,
so like you take out some weird ground balls that
he beats out and things like that.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
You know what else they set up?

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, yeah, I know, so so.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, I mean it often you don't expect the like
he does. And he did it at Wells. The Oscar
helped him out.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
This isn't like Jose Alvarado or Ryan Kirkering or Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
But.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Christopher Sanchez was at ninety five pitches. I think it's
fine to pull he had. He allowed these base runners
in the and it's fine. I think you could have
made an argument that who was coming it was it
was it was Andy Pajes, right, who has been the
worst hitter in the postseason thus far. I think he
has one hit, Yeah, the entire postseason, and then to the.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Point he's pimping his medium death flyouts now so correct.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
And then Otani, who Sanchez had on the wrong foot, I.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Mean just absolutely in jail. Yeah, I think he can
make an argument that he should have pitched to those
guys and then and then bring Doran in to your point,
it's the playoffs that doesn't have I also think it's
defensible to pull him. He's at ninety five pitches and just.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Kidding Jo ready right, like it's not Yeah, I think
it's defensible.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
And the walk, I don't know. I don't think I
would have done it, but I think again, I think
it's absolutely defensible. I don't think you expect him to
watch and and the thing is too that Mookie.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
He ground out that a bat.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yes, that was a really impressive walk as far as
they go. And then Doran did not throw strikes to
ta Oscar and Oscar.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I look the the Phillies pen like Doronto Lozardo were
like going right to Lizardo for multiple names there in between.
But I'm surprised they had to go strong for two.
But he has pitched a fair bit in this series.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
He did but Zar was unbelievable, man. And it was
replay of game game two.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
And they got a couple of guys on and they
went to Kirkering and I guess at it, but like.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
I don't know if I got it.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah, I mean at the moment.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
I thought I was, I know they got those those hits,
but I think you gotta convince you know they.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Were not flares but like a like a flyiner single
and then whatever, and I.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Just and like Kirkering is way more likely. Like I mean,
I guess Lizardo can cork a while pitch there too,
but like King and again they worked a walk and
well then we all know in fent after that.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Again a nice a nice walk for I guess did
did uh? He came face right? Yeah, I guess that
was the.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, I mean, I guess they wanted, they didn't want
they want. I mean, it's like, I know k K
is a lot better against lefties, but like it's Jesus Wizardo,
Like I'm with you, Like Kirkering could easily cement mix
or a slider in there that or sweeper that like
TK just dumps into left center and it's over.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, I don't know Lozardo consists he didn't do it
every batter, but like was just throwing a slider down
the middle. Yeah, to open every at bat, I mean
he and this is true of Sanchez too, they were
oh two. Yeah, it felt like every at bat. I
think Sanchez was. This is unpulling from the broadcast, so
it might not have been a final number, but.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
He was O two on at least eight batters. Yeah,
that's a lot.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
He had thrown at one point twenty two of twenty
four first pitch strikes. Christopher Sanchez was just unbelievable this series.
The starting pitching in general, Yeah, very good. But then yeah,
I mean, as you're saying, that's.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
A pitch bat Like, he gets a pitch to a
hit and he hits it right back at the pitcher
broken bat. Yeah, I know, he broke the bat. It
was like not he broke the bats. I guess it
was a good pitch in the end, but like it
had a lot of plate.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Sure, it had a lot of plate. He did not
do much with.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
It, like Kirkering knocks it down and.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Then it was like in and out of his glove.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, it was such a weird play and he had
like we've all seen the picture at this point with
like in like just the situation, right, I don't even
remember who's on third at this point. It was Sung
Kim Kim right, very.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
He forgot to step on the plate.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
He well, he did go back, yeh.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
But he like basically he missed the plate because Real
kind of blocked the plate. Yeah, took him into it
right now on accident.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Like I also think he was doing like a big
like he was taking a big last step.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
It just fell that much short.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yeah, I'm just saying there was a.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
He's very fast, he's obviously got a secondary lead. He's
going on contact.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, it's two outs.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Right, but there's like no situation where the play at
home is gonna be better than the play at first.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
No, you would think I've seen differing takes. Do you
guys think if if the throw is acting.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
He's out? No, really, I think it's I think it's close.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
It's close, but like real Mudo is not expecting literally
the first I can get it, Like.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah, it's the Will the Will Craig play right from
from was the Hobby. It is essentially the same thing.
It's literally forgetting the rule that if you throw the
first or touch the bag with the ball, you know,
holding the ball, then then the the inning's dead. Except

(23:34):
the Craig play took like an hour and a half, yes,
and this play took half of a second, but essentially
it was the exact same result.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Do you think, what's up?

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Do you think he just forgot how many outs there were?

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Maybe I think it might have just been panic.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing where you don't even register, Oh,
I have it.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
He can't see to the left, see how far the
runner is. I could imagine.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I could also imagine in it's its home is the
closest play, Yeah, right, so it's like I could imagine
he was planning to turn and throw to first as
the ball hit his glove, and then once it squirted out,
it was like pick it up and throw it is
what his brain said, right, like just get it out
of your hands. And that could I could see.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
That with either two outs or not two outs, But like, man,
I don't I don't know if anyone, if you guys
saw the Matt gel piece, Like you know, he went
and sat in the dugout after like even after the
like around an hour after the game had ended, Schwerber
came and sat with him, like, I just I feel

(24:44):
for kirkering Man that that.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Is Ah, there's that. It's getting great. The photographer there's
just a shot of them celebrating behind him with his
hands on his knees, like yeah, yeah, I'm like that
have to play off baseball on some level, right, Like
it's of course eight heroes and goats. That's the the
nature of it. And you do you sort of like
short series and try to apply narratives to them. In

(25:07):
the narrative, I mean, like the last play of the series, right,
that's the.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
It's the it's the first. I think I saw this
as it's the series to end on on an error.
Jason Stark updated something this morning.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
He said, like, I guess one ended on a rutendo
door throwing error, but they recorded it was on the second,
the back end of a double play, and it wasn't
like a yeah whatever, I think you know this series.
I know it was three to one, and I agree
with you. I thought it was going to be a sweep.

(25:45):
I just thought Yamamoto was gonna shot and he didn't.
And uh but also by the way, we didn't. That's
that Schwarber home run was I mean, Jesus unbelievable, but
this this was an extremely tight series in which the
scores reflect outside of Game three. But also I thought

(26:08):
these I still think these teams are teams are evenly matched.
And if the Phillies could throw home yeah they win games.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
They might.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
I guess you don't know how game two works out,
but that was the would have been a huge out
in Game two if Trey Turner could throw to the
right side of home plate, the correct side of home plate,
I should say, and and this play here. That's two games,
you know, and that's the series.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
So we do the what's next thing. This feels like
the most important one of any team. We do all
what is next for the Phillies, because.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
How could you possibly say real Mudo Schwarber.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Casteanos obviously maybe not the biggest.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Loss at this point, but another year he just might not,
does he?

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Oh geez, I thought it was z is a free agent.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah, they're as a Sun cost I think at this point,
But yeah, I mean they and then everybody else is
thirty six. Yes they're not.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
But the Wheeler had like thoracic allte syndrome.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Max Kepler is a free agent again. Again not the biggest.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
It's hard to imagine Middleton doing what John Henry did
and just yanking out the cord.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
No, but I think they are pretty much hitting the
ceiling of what they can spand I mean he's already
taken on minority ownership, Like they have two hundred and
forty million committed already for next year. I assume they're
going to bring back Shwarber. I assume they're gonna bring.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
I have oh I see in the tax in the tax.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
I assume they're gona ring actualber. I ssume they're going
to get a picture. But that might be pretty much
close to what I don't think they're gonna sign Kyle Tucker.
Probably should sign Kyle Tucker. Yeah, yeah, I'm I mean
I say this every year. I'm I'm not pessimistic.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Per S is going to be in this fourth year
of our Yeah, like some of these guys are getting expensive.
Alclahlm is going to be in his third year of
our Yeah he'll be there, But.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah he might. I mean they might try to move
on from Bom too.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
They might, but that you have to fill it.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Right like Eighten Miller's not And that's the real problem.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Right, Well, that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Feels like none of the Phillies prospects are ready yet
and they should be, right, I mean it feels like
they should.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
So the issue is, and they've had this like five
year run now four year on whatever you want to
call it. It's five year on, it's twenty one. Yeah,
every time Dave Jombowski does this, and he's done this

(28:56):
for three teams now right, they still like they haven't
gotten the underpinnings right, right, And he hasn't even done
super aggressive trade stuff right, Like he hasn't traded Painter,
he hasn't traded Millery, hasn't.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Knows the trades.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Yeah, I mean it's true, but like it's they traded
Henry Mendez, who might be like a one on one
like a breakout guy for Harrison Bader, like he does this,
but Edward like, yeah, they have guys they trade tight too, Yeah,
they like And it's not even that he makes the

(29:33):
trades that he makes, which is like they don't have
the players behind it around it, like they just never
does it and I don't. This is another problem you
can solve with money to an extent. So it's going
to be a crash when it happens, I think, yeah, maybe,
but again, you never know, like it's the you never

(29:58):
actually by the time you see it coming has already happened, right,
like what happened the last the Ruben Tomorrow, Right, they
just won eighty four games one year and then crash
after that.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
But I think what really hurts is there should be
one more year.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, And the problem is Zach Wheeler's well, we don't
know what you're going to get out of Zach Wheeler.
Who's going to take up I don't generally care about
the money here. He's getting forty two million dollars and
he deserves it, but he's not going to be there
for at least part of it.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. He might. It's it's
really tough to say.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
That's I you're out for a while with cos.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
It's it's the less bad tos so. But like I
will see, I'm guessing he won't have like a normal spring,
but I I don't think I'll miss a ton of time.
But again, you don't know until.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
We'll see, I guess. But you know, the other part
of it was you got twenty seven and a half
million to Aaron Nola. Yes, and you don't know what
you're going to get from him.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
I mean that kind of now is the thing.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
That's seventy million dollars up significant question marks.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
I would say, Look, they have Sanchez at a significantly
undermarket Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, if you want to throw a Sanchez in there
for three and a half million, it helps.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Right, Yeah, And like Harper's still very good. Yeah, but
he's just very good.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
He's also not expensive for what for what he is.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
But these all add up. They're going to give short
we're probably twenty five thirty million a year on a
short term deal. They're going to bring in a picture
of that's, if you know, not gonna be a lot
less than that. I think even if it's just bringing
back Ranger Suarez, he's going to get a significant race.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Well, so that's that's an interesting question. Do they have
to bring back a picture or can they skate and
try and pick one up mid season.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
I don't guess, but you know, I guess.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
I'm just saying Wheelers out. So yeah, I don't know.
But you have Sanchez, you have Painter. I know you
don't know what you have with him.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
I know, I like I think if they thought Painter
was ready, he would have been up at some point
in there.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
I guess, I don't know. I just think there are
a lot of teams that do. Okay, it might not
be the dominant Phillies, right, but like.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
But they weren't really the dominant Phillies this year either.
I know they won, they won the division. They did
win the division, but I don't think this might not
be a.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Division winning teams.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
But you can structure it so that like you're taking
a step back while remaining competitive and saving some powder, right, like,
find out what you have in Painter.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Find out I.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Don't know, I guess like you're saving for what because
you're going to reload the year after when Wheelers a
year older and Booms are free agent.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Well but if for nothing, but if you commit the
money now for the essentially the same thing, because they're
not going to be I don't do you see a
scenario where they're as good next year as they are
this year?

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah? I mean it's tough.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, that's all, that's all I'm saying, right.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Like, I that's not usually the way aging curves work, right,
Oh sure? And like I don't even know if you
get like I think Christie Sanchez is a very good pitcher.
Do you get twohundred innings of two point five y
area out of him? Again?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Like, maybe not that, but a guy that up and
down to maybe if this year he was he was
a firm number one, But I think you could say
a soft number one, and then you do have another
year of Lozardo.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
So you know, then if that's the Phillies. Uh, do
we feel better about the Dodgers than we did a
week ago, asked Craig.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, we well, yes, in the in the sense so
I think.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
They're going to play a team worse than the Phillies
in the next round.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Well, yeah, so I said this, I think these are
the two best teams YEA left in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Honestly, I still feel that way. I don't think the
margins are massive. Sure, again, we've talked all year about
how they aren't dominant games. You know they'll get the
I think Roki Sasaki changes a lot for the Dodgers,
and we didn't even talk about this.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
He threw three innings.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yeah, I mean he can do like he started.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Obviously he was a starter, but he had been throwing
one inning stints and he came out and he was
very efficient, which I think his first inning was seven
or eight pitches.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
But that was that was everything. That was the game.
I mean, in a game where everything was the game.
Is nothing separated these guys, right, but that was to
have pulled Glass now, and again, understanding of cramps at
eighty three pitches, you intentionally invoke the Dodgers' bullpen, right.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
And and then only get an inning out of Shehan.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Well, like, here's the thing. If you knew the game
was going eleven innings, and you knew that Sanchaz and Glass,
now they both pitched into the seventh right, what happened?
I think? Sorry that again they both pitched into the
seventh class.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Now, no class did not come out.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
He did not come out. So they both pitched six
or and you knew it was going to go eleven
and you knew if you and I told you that, like, oh,
they're going to get Deron and Lozardo for like eleven
outs of that, you're going to think the police have.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
A huge advantage there, Yes, and then and then is
the one right the equalizers nine outs from Sasaki? Yeah,
I mean so yes, I think we I think you
have to feel better about La because even just one
reliable bullpen arm makes that big deal. And he flashed

(35:37):
it at the end of the season. But you didn't know.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
We've now got a bigger sample in the playoffs than
we have in I mean, he threw four and a
third that that series alone, and then some in the
Cincinnati series. I think you, I don't know how much
you can trust any reliever, but he's thrown a hundred.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
He hit one hundred and one right last.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
The floor has been raised at least, which the Dodgers badly.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Do you trust anyone else in that blackpen?

Speaker 3 (36:07):
No?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Maybe maybe maybe shean.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
A little bit, you know, I mean, I for it was.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
It was nerve wracking. I hear you, But I think
that's I don't The other part is, I think you
could find a lot to be worried about in the
fact that they didn't hit at all these I.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Mean, it's a lot of good lefties right Like it's
like it's a very it's actually a pretty And I
said this when we did the preview, right like the
right's we're going to need to show up and taoscar
did and Edmund did enough. But yeah, they're going to
have a much friendlier pitching matchup in the next series
either way. Yeah, and the lefty, if they know if

(36:51):
they end up facing the Cubs, like the lefty they're
going to face gives up home runs constantly.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
So that it's into the air. All right, Okay, yeah,
let's go. Let's go to our second segment and singing fun,
fun Fun.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
I tried to give you a Canadian band you might recognize.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
I don't know that one.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
It's par Naked Ladies from Brian Wilson.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Oh from Brian. Okay, yes I do. Yeah, it would
have been really bad if I was wearing my shirt.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
I didn't place the song, but thank you. Uh well,
the Yankees delayed their demise for a game. In Game three,
their bullpen finally showed up.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah, the Jay's bullpen did not well in a way
it did. Yeah, there was a lot of Mason flul
Hardy in this series. It really was like too much
Mason flul Hardy. Probably. I know they won in four,
but like we do like the Mason flu Hardy index
for how the Blue Jays are doing. He's fine, Like

(37:55):
I don't want to be like, he's a perfectly fine
left ear leader. But like, that's a lot of Mason Filhardy.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Kim Schlitzler showed up again. I'm not quite the same,
but I'd be pitched well six and a third yep.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Eight hits allowed, but he pitched this was not I
mean no walks again, two strikeouts though, two strikeouts, four
runs only two earned.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, I mean this this was Oh, I'm sorry, I'm
on the wrong day.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Boy was I Game three was Rodan got shelled and
then they.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Got yeah right right. It looked like a serring.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Judge finally had his true Yankee moment.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
I'm off. I thought I went back enough days. I
apologize everyone.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, from yawned on the field, there's a lot of
a lot of good talk radio Chris from this one.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
You know, this was the game we had just recorded
and kind of said like, oh, Judge is only hitting singles.
And then he hit one home run and it was
like his ops was thirteen hundred and I was like, oh, okay,
well I guess that that talking point kind of went
out the window relatively quickly, and thank goodness, Like, I'm
but you know, I.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Mean I could I don't. I don't enjoy it as
a talking point. I do enjoy Yankees fans freaking out
about it sometimes, like it's this again, I said something
I'll like, I spend six weeks being like, you can't
I can't do a bronx accent, but imagine I'm doing
a bronx at set like cow rally. Who's that?

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Like?

Speaker 3 (39:25):
There is like.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Just I just personally find that, Like I don't even.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Drink Seattle coffee like whatever.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
I I just find that the the the when the
Yankees lose and Judge is hitting well, it is funnier
than when the judge is not hitting well.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
I don't know, Yeah, I mean I think this this
so this game obviously they win you as as you said,
the bullpen shows.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Up cruised of all this series, right that ar pitched
yeah so much? He really did.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Uh this is you know Varlin gave up runs here,
Biaber gave up runs.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
They pulled him two and two thirds. I thought I.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Thought that was right, Like this is always like this
was when we said the best chance to get it back,
Like I don't like Bieber. Bieber is at a weird
spot in his career where he's still capable of being good,
but he's he's like now you know instantly if it's
going to be good.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, fair enough. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
The ironic thing is that like pulling Bieber knowing the
game four was a bullpaying game.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah yeah, right, well, and that's the used Darriel Rodriguez
and an even a third down.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
That understand why. I guess Bassett is hurt, but like,
why wasn't Barrios just on this roster?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
You have a.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Apparently also hurt. Oh okay, yeah unspecified, Yeah you know,
but yes, he is hurt as well.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
I guess you're actually out of starting pitch.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
They actually somehow ran out of.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, man, and they used like Glower obviously, yeah, but
not much. Not probably shouldn't have. Like they probably use
him about the right they used him the right amount.
Mason Fuhardy too much.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
But yeah, they did not use lower in this game, Yeah,
which I would if. Yeah, I guess I don't know.
You needed him for the next game, but they didn't.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
These they threw him for like an inning and the
third Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yeah, well, and so we can go, we can go
to the next game where that was Schlitler, who again
was like good yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
But.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
It was we didn't yeah, not good enough, because it
needed to be perfect.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
And it was a parade of relievers. Not a single
one of these guys through even two innings. Yep, right,
Varlins came out. It's just I'm not used to Varlin
throwing ninety.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Nine Yeah, I know he does it, but it's just.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
Like, yeahs through seven pitches.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, well again he threw an inning and the third
the day before. So uh, this this series was and
you know again, Judge was two for four with a
walk this game.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Like he continued to do it. This was stant. No
one else really showed. No one else really showed. Ben
Rice a little bit.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Ryan McMahon got on the board with a home run
that got his ops.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
In the series. But like this was.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Gold barely played, so I'm not really counting to mingos.
But didn't have won a bat right hit a double?

Speaker 2 (42:30):
So he did so maybe the triple? Did he hit
a triple? No double? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:38):
I mean no, no one around Judge did enough. And look,
this is this is the risk you run. When Trent
Grisham was one of your better players this year, he disappeared.
Not a shot at him, but he's a very streaky guy.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
And he was a lot of that is his April
and may Right is doing not that he was. He
was fine, but like he was, but he wasn't.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
Yeah, and Austin Wells traded o BP for power this
year and then didn't hit hit.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
But you know, Jazz Jazz didn't show series.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Stanton, who's supposed to be the playoff guy wasn't wasn't
this And look they ran into a buzz Vlad was hot.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yes, Blad hit over five hundred.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Better than bad, was very good. But they also got
beat by Nathan Luke and Erniekle, which hit over six hundred,
like like that happens in the playoffs. Yankees had this
with Chad Curtis, like this this like it just tastes somebody,
just when they're two fairly evenly matched teams. It takes
one guy getting on a heater yep, three guys getting

(43:40):
on a heater.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
So yes, So while it's fun, you know, you know
what's next for New York. What's fun. It's always fun
to watch the gnashing of teeth. But this team is fine. Like,
I don't I.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Think next year it's it is it is to Patrick's point,
I share the same, Well, but we kind of do
this every year and.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Then last year. We always forget. It's like you you
have this week and then you like wake up from
a dream and completely forget, and then you just start
and spring and there They're going to be projected to
win ninety five games agach year, and they probably will.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah, they'll Garrett call back at some point, probably fairly
early in the season. But you also don't know, you.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Don't know what you'll get. This is because it is
that his second No, I think it's just it's just
his first.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Okay, so Max Freed probably won't give up seven runs
every single game next year.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
It'll probably go back to normal. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Then Rodn will probably be some version of this Carlos Roddan,
and its legitimately good.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
It's gonna be a nice rotation.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yeah, but they've like they haven't really solved center field
or third base or first base. I guess Ben Rice
might just be their first basement now, which fine, you
know you have the bullpaid question at shortstop. Yankees fans
are are now all in on trading for zach Netto,
which is very funny to me. They should if they can.
I don't think they can, but you know there are

(45:03):
some they're the same holes in this lineup. And look,
Aaron Judge is a year older. Yeah, Cody Bellinger is
one of their better hitters. He's going to opt out.
Trank Grisham was one of their better hitters. He's a
free agent. I don't know, if no, probably maybe they
might bring probably Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Do you think this Bellinger gets a real contract?

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Is he going to be this even this good next year?
He's not really a center fielder anymore. It isn't super
illy Yankees either. You can just play him at first base,
but then you've got the good left fielding Wells or
not Austin Wells.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
Ben Rice Bellinger is a good left fielder, and he's
wasted at first base. He was always wasted at first
So yeah, maybe it's not a perfect fit for them,
But you know they're gonna, like they probably could just
guess they should probably sign Kyle Talker.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
They should also probably die in Kyle Tucker.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Except they might.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah, it's like they probably should, right, Like they need
a legitimate I mean it's.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
They need to just watch the Cats in the background
waiting for it.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Sorry, sorry my cats.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
They need a legitimate second banana. And I like I
say that, like they didn't. Just do you know, they
weren't that different without one Soda than than with them.
But I think like this, well.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
They did the one so an aggregate thing, and then
now they don't they have.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
To depond with all the aggregates leaving you have.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
To do it again. You have to do it in
the next fifteen years, right.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Like that, that's what you have to constantly do it again.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
And well unless you sign one Soda.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Well yeah, but the problem is like the back like
they were supposed to have some potential backfills in in
like the Mingos, and I just it doesn't seem like
it's maybe we're bailing too early, but I don't it
doesn't seem like it's.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Like I don't think it's going to be a star,
Like I think he might just be an average regular
the heads with some power and maybe it's more of
a d H than a corner outfielder.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
It might just be it might just be a Verdi.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Yeah, yeah, it's a different kind of I mean that's the.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
And and they have to what are they gonna do
about short I know you mentioned the neo thing, but like,
what are they gonna do about shortstop? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
If you can do anything a lot.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
I feel like every.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Single Yankee fan wants to move on from Aaron Boone
and Anthony Volpe. And guess who's gonna be in the
in the dugout.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
For Jeremy Paynea. I guess that's the Bobby, Like you
have the pieces to go get Jeremy Paynea on two years,
I probably do it.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I guess you.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Get them the way back the other way too.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
It's a it's a little bit of it.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
And and I think Patrick's wright that like they're just
gonna be back and be fine, but.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
They're like they're gonna be like, you know, they might
have to play in a wildcard round again, right, like
they're not.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Maybe, I don't know. The East is gonna be weird
as hell.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
It's gonna be weird as help.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
I mean, like, but you know they did sign. Do
you throw money at it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:09):
You sign?

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Figure out something when Anthony Bulb and sign.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Like he's already got the haircuts, you know, but then
you don't the chet playing shorts stop either. It's the
thing like a team that signs but set gives him
real money to be playing.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
A second.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Okay, yeah, play jazz at short that'll be fine.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
Did we learn anything about the Blue Jays other than
the fact that you can't beat or any Clement.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, I mean like Mason Flew Hardy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
So the funny thing about the Jay is I think
what we learned is they are still the same fucking
Blue Jays they've been for the last five years. They
just want a playoff series this time. Oh no, I think,
like it feels like it's the same, Like the bullpen's
still not quite good enough, like they have like I

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don't know if the set's ready for.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
The next Learn something about Trey you Savage?

Speaker 3 (49:03):
We did, I guess, well him.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
The pitching looks a lot better when it's Savage there.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
One of the one other guy with Gossman, because you
have two guys for a series, and yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
You know, and and look there their third start. You know, Biaber,
that's fine. If he's your third starter, You're fine, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Yeah, Like you can you can have with him if
you have you right, and you can have a quick
cook with Bieber, if you can get some length out
of Gossman and the Savage, which I mean, they could
have kept your Savage in, but they were you know,
up ten one or ten nothings, so yeah, whatever.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah, I mean, look this this is in a lot
of ways the same Blue Jays team, and we're also
gonna look they they continue to buy time for Bob
to get back, and that lineup can be really rough
if he's for other teams.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
If you're playing Andrea's Amenez at shortstop, and like you
gotta make room. Yeah, I know you have to, but like,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Look, if ernicele is gonna hit six hundred, the Blue
Jays better win. Like that is that is and like
Kirk had some massive.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Runs on show, hit like three home runs or something.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
All series, except for he was over for the last game,
but you know he brought his ops down to just
shy of fifteen hundred.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah. Look, if if those guys are gonna hit, this
is a fort.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
It's always like we they've just never this is this,
I don't know, it is the same Jay's team, but
they're actually like hitting the high end. Yeah, outcomes in
like the short term, I guess right like that they
have a lot.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Of functional pieces right now.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
And I know you you make noise about Nathan Lucas
and whatever, and he can hit a little bit and
he's a nice corner out.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
For the You don't really do.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Those things to tighten up a game, you know what
I mean. No, you don't want.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Him taking big at bats, but it's okay so far.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
No you don't. But like they are able to do
those things that kind of clamp down. They can.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
They can do a little bit of those stuffocate like
they can put out an insanely good defensive team.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
They can and look Nathan like of Lok of the
guys at the bottom of a lineup in the playoffs,
like Nathan Luke's isn't the worst one, Like he's not
the easiest down right.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yeah. Well, and again, like we knew going into this season,
like they had all these they had the Allan Roodens
and then.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
They traded Spencer Horwitz, but they had the Will Wagner's
they dumped, they traded all the three of them, and
then they found Lucas and he's been he's been good.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
You know, for for his role. He's been what they
needed him to be. You know, this this is a
good team. This is the they won ninety four games.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
This is.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Gives them an added dimension.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Is there's a little bit of Brewers to all this
like they have.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
People have been saying this a lot.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
I've heard that the bullpen and the Brewers have.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
But no, no they don't.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
But they have a little more thump in the lineup
than the Brewers there too.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
But I will also tell you this, I think if
you were one during something, just in terms of what
we learned between two to oh and and winning the
series three one, they won those first two games purely
on on I shouldn't say purely, but like they they
blew out the other team.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
They scored a ton of runs. It was I think
you can say you learned. You don't know if you
can do it again, but you learned something that they
want a closer game.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
That was a complete bullpen game for them, right.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
That's that's There's got to be a takeaway there for
for us and in watching them.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Their bullpen is a little tuckered out now going.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Into the next they get a break, they do so
the other team that they face be tuckered out. You
mean yeah, yeah, which does not bring us to our
next section.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Should we take a break? Yeah, we'll take a break
and come back.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Welcome back to episode four hundred and ninety eight of
five and five, we're on our third segment Chicago med
that one.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
I get Jeffrey. I see the commercials on Yeah, I
do too.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Well, this is still a serious serious is hard to discuss.
It is.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
The basically, Yeah, the funny thing.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
The funny thing is we're struggling about this, and the
ironic thing is that, like in this series is defined
by literally starting out well and then not having anything afterwards.
The first inning of this conversation really should be the
most important one. Yeah, everything, every single game has been
decided by whoever just scores a bunch in the first
inning and then then.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Well sometimes both people.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
The Cubs.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
The Cubs up and Game four, I believe had only
scored in the first inning, and they'd scored a lot.
I mean what I loved about Game three. I think
I said this online, but like they had hit a
lead off home run and then lost. They had hit
a three run homer in the first inning and lost, and.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Then in in game Game three, they did they did
both of those. Yeah, like or sorry, they hit a
lead off homer and scored three runs in the first ada,
and they ended up scoring four.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
And they needed it, right. That was it.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
The rest of the game I don't This is a
crazy first first inning team. They also scored in the
first inning with another three run homer Game four. I
mean that I don't know. I don't know where to start.
Do you want to just talk about both the games
that once?

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Yeah, I mean there's not I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Thinking about the.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Brewers is that when they don't sequence their head so
they don't hit. It's like Game four, they just got
three hit by Matthew Boyden and four leavers, and it's
the four relievers with the Cubs where it's like, okay,
these like the Maritors. The Cubs have four or five guys.
They got four or five guys, and when those four
or five guys.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Pitch, you're probably you're probably not getting three singles in
a walk against Brad Keller right right here, Look.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
There's going to be a walk.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
They do like they have hit more extra base hits
in this series. They always hit some home runs too,
But yeah, it is they're not going to win for
three on four solo home runs probably, although they do.
Face showed him Anaga in Game five, so they might.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
I mean, you've seen a lot of Daniel Palencia.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
I know, Jackson Cherio tagged him with a home run,
but otherwise he's been really good and and Council has
been deploying him aggressively early.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Yep. They for me, like we're also coming in and
laying an egg in game four kind of swings the
series a little bit. But because you're gonatart Jackimsrowski in
game five apparently, so.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
It's just gonna be he's definitely I don't know if
he's gonna start him there.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
They're definitely he's listed as the starter right now.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Is he listed?

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (56:18):
I mean he may as well, but I could see
a sUAS thing where it's just like an opener and
then four innings, but they're yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
I mean I think for him, I might just let
him do his normal routine and go as deep as
he can and then go one time.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yet you're probably talking like somewhere between eight and twelve batters.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Yeah, and like it's again point there because anything could happen.
Yeah with him, you know, if he's dialed in, he
can go through shut out real quick. But yeah, I
don't I guess I said Cubs and five originally, and
then I said there's no way that Cubs can win
the series on Tuesday or very unlikely. But I guess Pakoda,

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you know, had.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
Them as it's a combination of loves the Cubs and
just doesn't love.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
The Rupers and like you've kind of seen it with
the like they need to. I think they're going to
have trouble. I know they give it a three run
homer and answered back immediately in one game, but I
think they have trouble coming from behind. I know that. Yeah,
I know that really hasn't been an issue for them
during their always it's been impossible to kill, right, But

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it just it feels like with that Cubs pen, you know,
maybe they they burnt them out enough at this point, but.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
I mean their pen is they're they're essentially going into
a glorified pen game.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
And look, I don't think is going to be in
there that long. Yeah, but you could see a Monaga.
You might get five innings at a Monoga, like it's possible.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
No, but I'm saying Milwaukee, like Milwaukee, McGill not for much.
But he wasn't good either. You know, he got an
out and gave up a hit and a walk. It
wasn't great. They used Ashby for an inning and effect
Gasser just went to which probably doesn't hurt them. It's
not he's not like they're a bullpen guy, but like
he is a longer guy.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
So they used Patrick yesterday. He'll be available.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Helps that too, Yeah it.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Does, but I don't know. Yeah, maybe all these guys
are available.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
But it's a this would be what three games for
Ashby in the series because he opened the one.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
There is the familiarity.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Ashby's pitched three.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Oh okay, so if he pitches today is the fourth.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Yeah, it's just a lot of the same guys, right, Like,
I don't know, it's funny.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Because they've they've they've thrown a lot of guys. Like
everybody's got to work. But this is it's.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Hard for me.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
You know, I said the Cubs in four and but
I didn't feel good about it. I didn't feel good
about the I don't feel good about Showaga. Every time
I feel like, oh, I can feel you know, there
are a lot of reasons to to feel okay for
the Cubs. Again, this is this is a glorified bullpen game.
I think they have the deeper lineup, YadA, YadA, YadA,
and then it's like, oh, they're pitching show to Monaga
and they're boys. Also pretty yeah, they're pitching show.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
They're pitching in Monaga, and they're gonna pitch Rey or
they're gonna Pitchvali. You're not gonna.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
That's not that doesn't gonna have to get to.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
The sixth inning and get to those other four guys
regardless of whether they're tired or not. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Yeah, that's the other part is is.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Michael Soroko will pitch or some form of michaelk will
I think I might be with every Cubs fan. No no, no, no, no, no,
no no.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
No, Michael Croka shouldn't pitch.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
I mean like Plancia went did an up down, he
went in and then a third in in game uh four.
But the other part of it is outside of him,
and again he's been used a lot. Pamerance not a
multiinating guy anymore. Keller not really a multiinating guy. Caleb
Fielbart definitely not a multienating guy. So of of the good.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Relievers they have, it's like, it's really plenty that you
can push, and they already pushed him.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Yeah, I mean it's game five, they're just gonna push them.
Ah that button.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's right. But it's it's when
does the war.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Yeah, shure boy that it does feel like the Dodgers
are just gonna stomp on one of these wait for
them to just yeah everything, everything's coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Yeah, and just speaking.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Just wait till South hits the ball five hundred feet
off break trya.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Or also, by the way, just the Dodgers doing that
with like trying and warming up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
I mean, yeah, it had to be.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
It had to be or else it was Game five
happening for sure. Do I mean, do we want to
make a prediction ahead of this?

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
I don't like predicting single games.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I think honestly, I don't know. Man, the Cubs should
have an advantage.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
They might, Milwaukee. You can have it both ways.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
You gotta middle my. I think on one level, I
think the Cubs have the advantage because I think they
can actually get length out of their starter. The problem
their starter might also give up a bunch of home
runs in the first three innings.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
So yeah, honestly, I'm I'm legitimately excited for this. This game,
I think, uh, I I forget what it's called now.
Miller Miller Park is going to be absolutely raucous. Yeah,
it's I'm excited for the environment.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
The comforting many Cubs fans are going to be there
kind of Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I mean it's gonna right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Well, it's it's again like they're close to their rivals,
like I think it's just.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Gonna be they're doing you have to have, like you
can't have an Illinois mailing address or something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
I don't know. And it wasn't that Arizona that did.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
That or Yankee.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
The Yankees just did it for the Yankee the Red
Sox series.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Oh did they? San Diego did that for the Dodgers
series last year? Which brings us to our last segment
before the game. Welcome to Splitsville. Population you. It looked
like the Mariners were on their way. Three nothing lead.
Bryce Miller looked good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
I'm not I'm often wrong about things that man. The
Tigers fucker is strong in this series just enough.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Well or in game four far more than Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Yeah, I don't know. I guess we can go back
to Game three Seattle. I mean, look, Logan Gilbert Yep
did what he needed to do six seven strikeouts, no walks.
He looked great.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Caleb Ferguson, I think I warned you offline Patrick not
not necessarily made for the moment. I mean, yeah, he's
been fine, I know, but but he gave up some runs.
But it didn't it didn't matter. The Mariners bats had
showed up, cal Rawley showed up. Jamie Crawford has been

(01:02:52):
good this series. They got to Jack Flaherty, they got
to Brennan Hannafy. It look if the Tigers starter is
gonna go three innings. This this bullpen, it's not last
year's bullpen, right, That's that's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
The difference here. I don't really have anything else to
say about game there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
I don't know if you I mean it was last
year's bullpen in Game four? Yeah, try. Troy Melton has
just you know, like this, like he he has a
six point one four ERA for the postseason and he
has a one. It's because he's one hundred and eight yeah, right,
one in seven innings in the in the division series. Well, yes, yes,

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to the to the Troit bullpen. But they also like
Holton recording out Bolton yeah and again went to but
gave up a run. This to me was more about
the Mariners. Well, it's it's about the mayor's bullpen. And
also the fact that the Tigers between the last two
games went seven for thirteen with runners in the scoring position.
They this was like, either, if you want to be charitable,

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this was an incredible hitting. There were a ton of doubles.
They were all those cheap herald like twenty twenty two
hurled of everything down the line, everything, Like there was
one that was like they couldn't review it, but it
was a ground ball over the base bag and it's like, okay,

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that landed pretty foreign foul territory for where Okay, whatever,
it's not reviewable. It was fine the Tigers just like
it was a nine three game. There was not one
play or anything that was it. Also is to your
point about the double. So first of all, I mean,
Riley Green did get a home run. It's nice to
see Riley Green show up in this series.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
At least once. But it's like he hit a.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Dylan Dingler hit a home run, a double, and it's like, okay,
Spencer Trocleson hit a double, It's okay, Jamai Jones hit
a double, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
That feels bad.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
When sel Perez hit a double, that feels less good,
less than good, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
And also the Mariners struck out three batters.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Hey, why are they throwing strikes to hobby bias?

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Three strike is
not gonna get done.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
I keep thinking about your post, Patrick of it seems
you're throwing a strike to hobby bias.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Do you need help? Can I help you?

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
Yeah? I did not expect that joke to be that
pertinent for that long. So yeah, we were hitting the
game five uh.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
With Scooble against Kirby like this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
To do is pitch is beat Terrek Scooble for a
fourth time this season this season.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
It's a simple like NFL playoff vibes when you beat
the team in your division twice but then have to
beat them a third time.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
To play them in the playoffs. This is gonna be like, hm,
it's really you know, the Mariner's bullpen being what it
was yesterday, it's the end of the day before. It's really.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
It really didn't want to go back and face Trek School.
It takes a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
We're untethered in time, guys, it's just gonna happen. We're
going to say yesterday and we mean yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Besides that, though I did want to, like I was
expecting it to be George Kirby four.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
I was. I was too, and the same I woke up,
I woke up on yesterday morning. I was trying to
make my kids breakfast. I was so I was like,
I wasn't in tears, but I was emotional how website
I was to have to rewrite that section yesterday morning.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
But also was that like shouldn't they have I know,
it's like, okay, now you have Kirby.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
You could have had him for the first Like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
The miller wasn't that bad as you said, Patrick.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Three strikeouts for the whole didn't It was like the kill.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
You go for the kill. And now like you look,
you're gonna start Kirby in this game, and that's great
if you pitch as well. If if he gives up
a run in the first and let's two guys on
in the second, what do you do?

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Yeah, Now you've got to be like, yeah, maybe you
have to, but like it puts you in a maybe
in game four, you let him work work out of it, right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
Yeah, Emerson Hancock.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yeah, it's only the only picture that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
Is capable of giving length in this both in this bullpen,
like this bullpen is not designed. It's never all year
was not designed.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
And boy is that a threat?

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Yeah, it's is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Boy, it's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
This this game is going to be miserable. I'm going
to go to the stadium, s us and it's going
to be just it's going to be a one one
game into the tenth.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
It's gonna be Dodgers Philly's game four. I mean that
was that was I meant to say this before, but like,
you know that the same they have a.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Face your mother, only your mother could love like that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Philly's game yesterday was that was a game only the
winner could love like that was not that was horrible.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Like there are people in the discord being like, maybe
we should have the ghost Runner in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
No, no, no, But also but I understand yeah, yeah,
I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Yeah, And this feels like you're right, it's worse as
a game five.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
I'm not trying to one up. I'm just saying like that,
it's gonna be like you know, the fans of the
team who wins, usually they're gonna go back, they're gonna
watch highlights, they want to re that was There was
nothing there, right, yeah, there's nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
I also think like we always talked about how like
Milwaukee is going to be up in jazz and be
a great atmosphere. I'm curious that Seattle is like this
is what is it going to be like?

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
You know, I don't know. Everyone was very excited at
the first tense.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
It's gonna be tense. It'll be tense.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Yeah. All I can think.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Of is that the is it Jordan Freeman the tweet
that's like from from the Braves that's double aheader last year,
which was everyone in that stadium wants.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
To kill themselves. This is what baseball is all about.
That's the vibe in Seattle.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's gonna be there's gonna be one
bad call. Yeah, it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
It's gonna be palpable.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
I'm not looking forward to this.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Also, speaking of bad calls, like I understand where Philly's
fans are on that. Mark Wegner Sancho.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Struck him out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
It's a great pitch.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
It was a it was the perfect pitch. Wegner apologized
to him after the end, I mean, what else can
you do? You missed the call?

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
But look a lot of stuff happened after that, right,
Like it's not Yeah, no, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
But like that run came around no more that any
and oh man, all I'm saying is I understand like that,
I understand the fury on that, and obviously obviously that's
something they could have challenged next time next year. But also,
like he was calling a tight zone, there were a
number of what I thought were strikes called balls. That

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was a perfect that was a crucial dot.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
It was a dot. It was a crucial pitch. I mean,
hm hmmm. So yeah, I'm looking forward to another one
of those.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
Yeah, all right, let's so let's play.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
We're not You're not.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Either. I want all right, my prediction is that I
will suffer.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Look, this is another complete toss up to me. I'm
gonna say Mariners.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
I just just I say Tigers in five. They got
Google going and I'm sticking with the Tigers. Fuckery.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
I said, win like seven.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
It won't be a close, it won't be like a
low scard.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Is not Jeff is not hedging I respect, I'm not respected.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
I cannot I cannot imagine this sentence.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Well, Patrick, guess someone that's sat through a few of
these games in the last couple of years, and they're
not fun No, I recommend if you can just take
your kid to soccer practice for that. You can't you
take your kid to soccer practice for the first six innings.
That worked well for me in the long series last year.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
No, I'll be in the box. I'll just you like
I my kid. The ironic thing is that my kid
will be literally across the street. Yeah, because we were
supposed to go to a soccer game that night, and
he'll be having a great time. It'll be the bus meme. Yes,
him rooting for a soccer team while I'm just sitting

(01:11:32):
there watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Well, he will be enjoying himself by the lake and
you will be at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
That's right. Yeah, all right, So we're gonna play a game.
It is before and after. You remember the rules for
this one. We are going to give you a pair
of clues, and then you need to tell me the
first name the last name of the first player, which
is also the first in.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
The last place.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
Yeah, yeah, all right, it's the jeopardy. There are only
seven of them. This will be quick. A two thousand
and five rookie who took forever to get the called
in the majors, and a two thousand and five rookie
who led the league in stolen bases?

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Two thousand five rookies rookies two thousand and five?

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Sorry, twenty twenty five? Did I say to the oka
A twenty twenty five rookiek forever to get to the
call in the majors? And a twenty twenty five rookie
who led the league in stolen bases?

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Okay? Should know who led the league in stolen bases?

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Should you?

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Uh? Y man? Are there any other clues? Do you
want to give him a hint?

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
It was famously took a long time getting called up,
to the point where his teammates apologized to him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Oh oh, oh, yeah, I remember that, But is it
that wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Oh bye Chandler Simpson?

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Oh nice? Did Simpson really leave Williams?

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
I was stuck on Jacob Wilson.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
I was on the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Orioles for some reason. I don't I don't know. Yeah,
well done, Jeff, I.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Mean you said, famously took a long time, Like what
twenty nine year old rookie? It was called?

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
That's where I was going to Yeah? Yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
A utility guy who went from one Los Angeles team
to the other and the an outfielder who led the
Al l A team in plate appearances.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Chris Taylor Ward good.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Yeah, yeah, of course got stuck on Joe Adell. But yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
An active pitcher who won a cy Young with the
Blue Jays, and a retired outfielder who were in forty
War mostly as.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
A cardinal, Robbie Ray Langford.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Correct. Nice, a rookie love Oh, I love.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Remembering Ray lang Ray Langford, great, great player, great player,
he feels like them exactly, the most forty War player ever.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
To Yeah, a rookie A's outfielders struggled with injuries and
a veteran Yankees pitcher who struggled and struggled with injuries.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
H okay, why don't I know that?

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Can you?

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Can you say it again?

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
A rookie A's outfielder who struggled with injuries and the
veteran veteran Yankees pitcher who struggled with injuries.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
H uh, Denzel clerk Schmidt.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Nice? Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
I don't think clerk Schmid is a badgriand but fine
now or something. I've been doing this.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
Yep, all right, Jeff's up three to one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
I just kept thinking about Lawrence Butler. And was rookie
is not a rookie and it wasn't Yeah, it wasn't him.
I knew it wasn't him, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
One of the pictures the Pottery's got for Wan Soto
and the Hall of Famer who invented the hit and
run and affected to the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Players League, Michael king Kelly.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Correct, Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
I honestly did not know that about King Kelly. But
I was just immediately locked into Michael King.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Right, that's fine. I was locked under Randy Basquez.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
So we all have.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
Yeah, the active leader in saves with four and seventy
six and a Marlin starter with exactly one John.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Yeah, bild are spelled differently for the record, Yes they are,
but the same. Yeah, yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
And the last one, the only picture to start to
combined no hitters and a Detroit Tiger with three All
star birts and the cover of an LB the show.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Wow, is it? Are Are either of them current?

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
They're both current? Oh they're both current. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
Don't you combine no hitters? I should know that, like
that should be but not this year. No, there were
no hitters this year.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Famous, right, So yeah, well even combined yah, okay, no
no hitters this year? Okay, fine? And then a Detroit
Tiger who has three All Star appearances in a cover
of MLB the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Show, Christian Javier bias.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
It is correct, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
I could not think of well, Jeff, I could not.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
I was stuck on Hovier bias, and in my head
I was just going stan Vier bias.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
That doesn't that's not right.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
I thought about using stan Abvier, and I thought Craig
will complain if I.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Used to the thing is, I don't know anything about
stan Javier except I was just trying to think of Javier, like,
Who's I forgot about Christian?

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
I guess he was, I knew he was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
I felt very confident. Was Hoavier bias? And I could
not get Christian here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Well it makes sense. It'll be the Astros that I
actually can bind. No hitters too.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, well done. Uh well done, Patrick.
Thank you for the game.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
I will again reissue if you want us to do
an all game one. You're running out of.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Time games, please please please help us out.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
I cannot imagine, especially if the Mariners win today and
I end up at the park three times next week.
If we have episode five hundred lined up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
I will die, well, we might. I will see if
I don't do it that way, we can't do it.
But I thought it would be fun.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
It would be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
I want to, You want to, but you also would
welcome to October. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Thank you guys for hosting this episode. Thank you to
our listeners for joining us on another episode of five
and Dive brought to you by the Baseball Perspectives podcast Network.
You can get in touch with the show at five
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We are wherever you get your podcasts. Search for Baseball
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you again. If you've been waiting for the pod to
be over your times, then I can't vacancy. Wall can

(01:18:16):
fat

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Fucking how can answer

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