Five and Dive, Episode 499: You Gotta Put Down The Ducky

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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Welcome to episode four ninety nine of five and Nive.
It is Monday, October thirteenth. I am your host, Krit Goldstein,
joined as usual by Patrick Dubuke and Jeffrey pattern Nostro.
Who's got banter?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, you know, sometimes if you're a semi famous internet
sort of personality, you might get asked, I haven't, but
you might. How do you deal with postseason baseball? How
do you deal with the stress, the air, the intensity
of having your team like play games that matter? And
my answer to you is, uh, go to your son's

(01:11):
friend's birthday party at Dave and Busters at one o'clock
in the afternoon before the game starts, and then become
utterly desensitized to the external world and all its vagaries.
I it was like, that's it's a challenging place. We've
all been there, We've all dealt with it. This was
a weird situation where basically, you know, they they had

(01:33):
the food first, which already thrown thrown off. That's first
food first, and then they just walk in restaurant, I know,
and they give us the cards and you know, they
have the kids go out and they're like, oh, we
have one extra card. You know, why don't we pass
it around the parents? And I'm like sure, So I
take it first, and you know, play a few games

(01:54):
of Papa shot, you know, do the baseball thing where
I hurt my arm really really fast where you just
try and throw a balls hard you can, uh, And
then I go find another parent hand it off, and
I'm going to like find my kid at this point,
and of course my kid is found the crane machine
where you get those rubber ducks.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, my kid and he loves those. So many rubber ducks.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Ten ten rubber ducks already in possession before I.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Even show up.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
It's so you don't win.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
But like they did not know this one the claw
was rubber tipped. They don't.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
They want to get rid of those rubber They're.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Paying like a dollar fifty for a sweep.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
More than that.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
The ducks are like tens not.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
I don't take my kid to these places.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I don't have birthday parties, man, like you.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
It's a little fancier than you and me.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
There was another we want to like a mini golf
thing that had like one of these, like so we
do pastorserves. When you walk in, there's food, but it's
not it's not straight into the.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, so I screw up and and Felix uh basically
plays this this duck machine thing until he runs out
of money, and I was like, oh, I didn't know
you could run out of him. First of all, I
didn't know he'd be able to play that thing, because
usually they don't let you play that thing. If you
get one of the cards that just lets you play
for ninety minutes or whatever, they don't let you get
the stuff there.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
But they did. They're not doing limit cards, they're all money. No,
they did.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
They usually do time cards on these birthday things, and
this one didn't.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
But I've had to do money, our money money.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
So so they didn't tell us how much money there
was or anything like that. So I'm like, oh, I
guess I'll have to refill the card because like there's
still an hour left a birthday party. So I put
I go over to the kiosk, and of course the
smallest denomination based thirty bucks, and like, all right, well
this is now an investment. So we do it because
I've got to keep them happy for the other thing.
And then he just starts playing Minecraft with his friends

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and they play for a while and then like I
find out way, wait.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
A minute, hold on, wait a minute. Minecraft, Yeah, arcade game, Yeah,
there is, of course, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
It is just it's just like basically the twenty twenty
five equivalent of the teenage Muting Drills are great arcade
game from our childhood. It's just a beat them up anyway.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well that's actually, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's fine, perfectly fine, perfectly acceptable way to sit in
an arcade.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Whatever, Simpsons versus the World guy.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
But yeah, also also next link.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, so, so the thing is that we find out
that the cards are unlimited for the arcade games, just
not for anything that you would win tickets in. But
it's confusing because some of the games you play can
get you tickets, and those ones you don't get to play,
but the arcade get like a racing game or something
where you don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
So they don't want people to double play. They don't
want a double dip.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
It's very confusing. So like ski Ball is a ticket game,
so that one you only have so many shots at,
but like you could play you know, Daytona as much
as you want. Like very weird, very weird system. Fast
forward to three three point thirty Uh, the party ends
at three. We've already had the conflict over how he's
gonna spend his tickets that he shouldn't have had, and

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then like his car doesn't stop working, and so I
find him and he is with the boy from the
birthday party, and they're in an ax throwing thing, so
you throw so they have extra way, and they have
gone feral. They're just hucking axes over and over. They're

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trying to grab the axes back as quickly as they
can't say they can throw them harder. And then the
boys parents aren't there. I'm sure they're cleaning up after
the party or whatever, but like the party was supposed
to have ended half an hour ago, and they're just
like they've stopped understanding English and they're just hucking axes
and there's sounds and lights and I'm starting to lose it,

(05:51):
like I'm never gonna leave here.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
There will be no I can't tell him we have
to leave.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
He's getting free arcade games.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
And how many situations I'm never going to leave?

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Transition from that to just like hearing everybody clap your
hands over and over again for the next six hours.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
How many situations, Patrick, have you had, I'm never going
to leave. In the last few days here.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh had I finally had to prime away with his
twelve rubber ducks that I had like lodged in my pockets.
Plus should have started throwing those you throwing, you're throwing
rubber ducks. Came home, it had exactly one beer, and
then immediately watched baseball and I was like, that baseball game,
sure happened. I accepted everything that happened in it, and

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I was like, I was unperturbed by the entire experience.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
We'll get to it, we get it.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
We will.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Jeffrey, do you have me neither?

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Let's get the timer for banter has run out.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yes, with you?

Speaker 2 (06:56):
It was worth it.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Our first segment free solo. We're going to recap all
thettle bit here. We've got a little recap and and
ongoing action. It's a it's a little bit of a
weird spot, but this is how the playoffs work. I
don't know. I know the schedule obviously, but like it
still kind of shocked me that both these game fives
happened and then it's just two days until the next game,

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Like it felt so fast.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
It could be yeah, yeah, it could be the opposite
in the next round, because it's it's like I'd love
the way to see the championship series is scheduled. There
could be a full week between the final game if
they both if both teams got swept, there's a full week.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
I don't want to have to consider what the site
looks like if Okay, so we're in free solo, we're recapping.
This is Chicago and Milwaukee Game five. Uh every run
scored on solo home runs? Is that right? For four
solo home runs? Uh? Three?

Speaker 2 (07:57):
I don't see. Uh no, it's forced. Its cubs and the.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Right Suzuki had a very nice series, continued to hit
home runs. I guess he didn't quite come through when
the with guys on so much outside of the three
run homer, but uh yeah, they they got on the
board first, right, and then Wilson Contraras signed it up
before terrang and whoever else hit hit home runs? Yeah, uh,

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Misarowski got the bulk innings here. They both both teams
went with a bullpen game.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
I don't know, this is sure a game that happened. Yeah,
how many games do you want to say? Well, I
mean you would think like after the Seattle Detroit came five,
which we'll of course get to. You don't know why
we're doing these disorder but whatever together, Uh, I think

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they just used up all the ten in baseball.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Despite it being a game that was close, it didn't
feel very tense. I I thought that after I think
it was Suzuki lined out which off the bat. I
thought it was a gapper yeah, and was going to
score a run, but Jackson Curio was positioned very well
and ran it down despite his hamstring issue. Outside of

(09:27):
that line drive with men on, it just felt like
there was never really any threat after that.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Well, this is exactly the least esthetically pleasing kind of
baseball game, I think the solo home run game, because
no tension. Yeah, no tension, you just don't. Scoring happens,
but there's no sense of when it will happen, and
there's no sense that we'll contn It's like every Mariners,
just no momentum, no kind of like rising action. Just

(09:58):
like right.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
It's also like close enough you can't turn off because
as soon as somebody like walks or hits the bloop,
the tie runs up right right.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
It's just very unsatisfying, I would say as a style
of Baseball.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, I agree. I think I would say that the
Dodgers Phillies Game four was very similar. I mean, obviously
it was a low scoring game as well, but like
it didn't feel like it was. It was tense for me,
but because I'm a fan, right Like if if you're
a fan, it's tense because everything matters. But as a
neutral observer, it was kind of like nothing, nothing's actually happening.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, and when you do happen, you're most of the
time it's happening in retrospect. Oh that just happened, right,
that's about to happen.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
So both teams went and I was happy with what
we were able to do with our preview on this
thanks to to Mario uh Mario's idea and Steven Sutton
Brown's execution. But we got Johnny Hoole staff on both
on both teams. We did the the graphics that we
had for every pitcher on every team or on both
teams on on the the like the stuff, the stuff

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pro charts and everything like that. As I, as I
mentioned Misraski, the bulk guy here probably the stand out
obviously there were the home runs, but the standout performance
here he's had. He had two nice multi inning outings.
This is a useful guy to have in terms of
archetype in the in this type of playoffs.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Like he's very like, you don't know what you're This
is like Patrick and I discussed to read Josh Naylor
before you came on, Craig, but like he's very useful,
but you literally don't know, like what's gonna happen next
time you bring him in. Like there's no like progression

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here where it's like, oh, he's like he's settling in,
he's figured it out. He's just gonna keep.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Doing resetting every single time. You're starting from scratch every
single time. Yep. But he did, I mean strung together
two nice multi Indian outing make up. But it's and
and it's crucial. It was Game five, obviously it's crucial.

(12:14):
But the way Milwaukee has to navigate this and we'll
get to the next series. They're low on pitching right now.
They need.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
They literally exactly the guy they need.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
I don't know, do we have anything else we want
to talk about. There's there's very little to say about.
You know, I saw some takes that Craig Council made
some missteps with how you know, Drew Pomerance started this game, uh,
and and gave a run. It was it was a
weird choice to give to go with a lefty.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
They don't have a ton of lefties that have that
line up either, right, Like, you're.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Right, well and you give right you're gonna see those
two who have been very good this playoffs and Tatrero's
got him immediately. Uh So I guess that's a misstep.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I don't know, No, I guess the real problem is
that he doesn't give them five more innings afterwards to
show that that was the only way.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
That he could get.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Drew Bromer and should have gone six innings. That's that's
the answer. We just learned that.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
So like, I don't know, I don't know. I didn't
see really you know, he went to Valencia in a
in a jam early and got out of it. That
was a nice move, yet constantly throughout the series.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
So yeah, what it comes down to, Yeah, they were
a team like they Yeah, they got out homeward, which
is not It's gonna be very difficult for them to
beat Milwaukee while getting out home right.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Right, I was gonna say if Milwaukee out homer zoo,
You're you're losing in most situations.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Well, they didn't even have Sek and Sing on their
side because like basically three guys next to each other,
like there were three guys that hit and everybody like
get six outs.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, he went to Colin Ray after you know, Ray
gave him about what you would have thought, and Andrew
Vaughn got him for a homer.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Look, they gave up I don't think from the Cubs
point of view, like tactically anything went wrong. Like they
they threw a bullpen game with Colin Ray and Bulk
and gave up three runs.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yep, right, and then you just you have to score, right.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
I don't know he can break hink Greg there were
no real like outside of the Palencia, there's no real
and like you can argue Pomerans upon and try to
use him in a spot where you know he's going
to face more lefties. But you know they're very like
the Brewers are very heavily platoon. They could have used
their righty bats against Pomerans. If you like they're lefties,
they they'll pinch hip for pretty much all their lefties

(14:50):
freight like so yel yells, yeah, yeah, and you just
sometimes you just like no, you you had time.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
To reckon they game and otherwise they threw pameran steel bar,
Kittridge and Keller. That's and and Palencia. That's their boat.
That's their whole bod. I mean, like there's nothing else.
I don't really see what else. Maybe there's some sequencing.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
I think they changed these in these two five game series.
Was one team had Jorge Polanco and one didn't. Basically,
if you want to reduce the narrative down to then.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
It's it's, well, that's a different series, I know.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
But I'm saying one team got the guy that just
like constantly got the big hit, and like the Cubs didn't.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, and you know, yeah, I mean the Cubs, sorry,
the Brewers. Chad Patrick was came up very big in
uh because there was a point where they were threatening
on Ashby. The Ashby allowed a hit and uh it
was a hit by Pitt maybe the.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Two guys on yeah, very often.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
And and Chad Patrick came in and shut him down. Frankly,
you know, three strikeouts and two thirds they got difference.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Without Chad Patrick. I will never forget that now burned
into my fucking brain.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
At least this, at least this series, he actually pitched
like it right.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Here again, this is a like the way it ended up. Right,
we got four of the top five teams. You could
argue the Dodgers really are one of the two or
three best teams left, right, but for the top five
seeds basically m and yeah, like the Brewers are just
a little bit better. They were a little bit better

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than the Cubs all year. And the Cubs didn't have
Kate Horton, right, that happens in a five game series,
and had gone.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
And Milwaukee was down, obviously they're.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Not, right, And if we had gone the other way,
we said, well, we would have said, oh, well, you know,
Freddy PEARLTA didn't pitch well for.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Them, right, Yeah, the Cubs feel like it's retrospective. But
the Cubs have such losing the second round energy should
tell them to this team. Yeah, no, I know what
you mean, right, Yeah, I mean you look at you're
gonna look at this rotation and think, well, you know, of.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Course, yeah, like they don't have the arms for a
five game series with.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, it's kind of neither. I mean, Milwaukee's means they did,
but in a lot of ways they didn't either, but
they just had a deeper bullpen and we're to do that.
And yeah, I mean again, like you said they were
better all year. I did we say, I probably said
comes in four. But I think the fact that they

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went to five was not surprising to anyone.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Like I don't think, like the Brewers are not gonna
overwhelm you either, is the other thing? Right, Like they don't.
I don't know that they have the you know, the
J's against the Yankees kind of games in them.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, you know they can they can score.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
The run, right, but like again, it's not it's very
difficult to do what they do for like four straight games, right,
like they're gonna have the score runs or they give
up too many runs or right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
You have a note in here that I, oh, sorry.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Sorry, the Brewers went I'm going I'm just going through
the series. But for the last three game into the series,
the Brewers went two for sixteen with runners in the
scoring position. That is the antithesis of how the Brewers work.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Like that's why I went, well, right, that's why I
got to five, number one.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
But they didn't have to hit with runners in scoring
position at all.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, right, well, when you hit the solo home runs,
which again' it's just the guys who did it are
maybe the guys you might expect, especially the second half.
Terraang really did hit. He didn't hit most of the series.
But Patrick, you have a note in our rundown here
that I'm assuming is because you started shipping me spreadsheets,

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including the top three agent ones that we're gonna have
to work on. Would you like to read this because
I don't want to. It makes me feel bad.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
And I haven't looked at the rest of the list.
So there are years where this would be the case,
and there are years that this would not be the case.
But is Brad Keller a top twenty five free agent
this winter's reflexively no? Is he the Robert Stevenson, because
Robert Stevenson is the one I always think of, because
Robert Stevenson was like, oh, this guy didn't get to
save and also is clearly right now a top ten

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reliever in baseball and also very much could not be
by the time you're reading this. And Stevenson wasn't not
really his own fault. He just got hurt and spent
like a year and a half of the il but
like it was, he was just like clearly the most
talented reliever of the class. And that's gonna be Brad
Keller right like he was incredible.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
I mean, very out but.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
So so the difference I kept where you're going and
and directionally I understand it. The difference to me is
that Robert Stevenson struck out sixty batters in thirty eight
in the third innings, yea, and Brad Keller struck out
seventy five and sixty nine.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
And do I need to get Dan to get Barton
to email you about team shifted?

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Awake me?

Speaker 3 (19:57):
No, that's like, that's what Brad Keller does. That's the
it's contact suppression. Even I know that it's all.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
That's fine, I'm saying, but if you.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
If that doesn't get paid him.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
He was.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
He had the saying he had the baseball perspectives pitch
of the day more often than the word days.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Okay, I would like every day. You know, if you
want to talk about contact suppression, what was Brad Keller's
hits per nine last year? This year five point eight?
What was Robert Stevenson's in Tampa when when he surgeons
happened four point two.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Well, he strikes out a lot of guys, so there's
fewer balls and play to become hits, which I know
is part of that.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
That's what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
And all we're saying is that Robert Stevenson was a
really good signing that didn't work out.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Because yeah, it was good. I just want to say that.
It must be really nice on October thirteenth to be like,
I have to write one list this offseason and I
don't want to deal with it right now.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Oh yeah, we don't have other lists to consider, Jeffrey,
it's not like we're editing the listener.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
You're my copy is Christine and Craig. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
He's pretty good. I'm not gonna deny that, but trust me,
I we each have lots I have to think about
way the book.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Then, is Brad Keller a top twenty five but Padre's
list coming out, buddy, Well.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
That'll be nice. Just put brad Keller on it.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
No one will notice.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, fine, I will say this. I also, I was
prepared to be like Brad Keller's like thirty five because
everyone in the cup, Yeah he's thirty five. He's not.
He's twenty nine, right.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
He's basically already retired once and he's twenty nine years old.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Also, it's entirely possible the padres tign Brad Keller.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, oh absolutely.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
But we do have a breaking news on that Mike
Scheldt has retired. Wait what Yeah, Mike shechld is retired.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
They didn't. They just didn't bunch enough for him and
he got dust bread yet another sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Uh wow. I wasn't expecting that it was either another managerial.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Open, another managerial open.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
All right, all of that leads us to what's next
for the Chicago Cubs.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Not signing Kyle Tucker not signing. I've been very clear
about that.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
It's like both not bleak but feels bleak. It shouldn't
be bleak.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Right, No, there's no reason it should be.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
But I mean they should sign Kyle Tucker.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well okay, yes, I agree, they're not going.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
To no, and it does kind of like So they
made this trade we talked about the time, right, so
they traded that was a great They traded their first
round pick camp Smith, who, like I know, like he
went right to the majors and wasn't great. But wasn't awful,
and it wasn't awful, but ends up pretty bad, pretty

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pretty rough season.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Look, I don't think like the shine is gone.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
I don't, right, And look they have him for another
five years going forward to right, I don't.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
I don't think you say like the light has dimmed
on on this future or anything like that. It was
a rough year.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
It was a rough season. Uh, Estoc Parades was very
good for the Astros, although hurt for a chunk of
the season when they could have used him, but otherwise
had the Estoc prede season and has more control pass
that and like Hayden Wesnetski, who was interesting at the
time and can't say anything right hurt Yes for one
year of Kyle Tucker and they went out in the

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second round of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
I struggled to obviously, what you said is is just facts, right,
that's facts.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
We're gonna re address this when we talk about Derek
Scoobel and then what's expert Detroit segment. But like, if
you're gonna make this one year move, like, look, the
Yankees did this for Wan Soto, right, they made the
World Series and they made a good faith effort to
sign him like they went after.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Him the business a part like you're you're roping in
the postseason results and I'm not saying they don't matter,
but I really struggle with emphasizing them. The Cubs went
out in the second round. And I'm not going to
say I had nothing to do with Kyle Tucker. He
went over four in the last game, certainly.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
But it's an all in move.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
When you do that, it isn't it isn't all in move.
And I don't know that they did the other all
in the right parts of parts of that, but that's
the process component. They went out in the second round,
and that is obviously a disappointment, and it factors into
how you view the success of the move. I'm not
saying it's not a factor. I just for me, it's
less of it. Like he was pretty good and I

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know the injury calf, and I know he had the
part where he wasn't hitting for any power and all that,
and I understand and maybe that's just Kyle Tucker now
because maybe I don't know, like I don't.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Know what's the actual plan for Chicago. We're talking like.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
That right to make it back to the second round.
I mean this is how this is how they feel
like this is the the photo, except unspoken and just
more militantly activated, like they've just they seem like the really.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
More money to do it though, I saw something that
always just enough. Yeah, the Mariners and the Blue Jays
have basically continued to run back the same underachieving team
and they finally just both overachieved in the same year.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Well, I was you bring up the Blue Jays. I
there's a little there's a there's a fair amount of
Blue Jays vibes.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
That's not bad.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, because Ian to twenty twenty six, specifically Ian Hap
is in his final year, Saya Suzuki is in his
final year, Jamison t is in his final year. Not
saying that's a big loss necessarily, but I feel the
innings he pa, Nico Horner is in his final year.
That's a lot of your team, yep. And you have

(25:44):
like once Owen Casey and Kevin Alcantra, and you know,
like their farm is gonna you tell me. But once
those guys graduate.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, I mean they have guys, but they're like some
guys in a bo's still the most they'll get still back.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
He's four seven, So this is you know that's going
to be expensive.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
You've got to extend some of these guys, right, like.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
I would think, so they don't have to.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
They don't have to, Like Nico Horner feels like he
just just should be a cub forever. Yeah, yeah, yes,
but like you've also gotten to the point where you're
paying market rates for Nico Horner because it only has
one year left. And I don't know if you want
to do that for like a second basement going into
his thirties, Like that's not that's not a profile. That
age is great. He's not a guy that really has
a carrying tool either. Yeah, I mean it's a lot

(26:41):
of fifty five. He's a better defender than that, but
it's like not power, but it's like a lot of
fifty five pick that gets a lot out of it.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
So the other part is like you you need to
re sign or sign guys because you're going to have
Casey and Pika Armstrong and Biasteros and al Contra, like
those guys are going to be relatively cheap.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
We also don't know if any of them are good,
no for sure, But I'm just saying to right, But
I'm just saying, like.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
If they are going to be good, which they need
to be for the Cubs to be.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Good, they are going to be cheap.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
They're going to be cheap, and that's when you have
to augment, Like you can't wait until they're expensive, because
I mean, this might be their plan. You wait until.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
They're that's what they sign and that's what they did
last time. That is the well and that's the process. Yeah,
but you got to win a World Series in there, right,
Like that's the difference. But the other thing too is
you know, if you're making space for al Kantara and Casey,
like where are you actually upgrading next year? You know

(27:41):
Bush is still pre RB. I'm pretty sure you know
they're catching situations pretty settled even if you whether you
want to move by Asteros in there or not.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
No, think you do given them person Kelly hit for
like sure four months.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Like look you can add I think they should add
another good starting picture that they should add. Don't see
Sir Michael King or fromber Beldas. Yeah, it would make
a big difference.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
He needs pitch right, you need someone alongside or ideally
in front of Kate Horton.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Right and in front like whatever you're getting back from
Justin Steele, We don't know, which is probably.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Not even even when Steele was their top and I
like Steel quite a bit, right, he was probably more
of like a strong free than anything else.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Sure you get him Managa there too, and you round
that on like that's if.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
All of a sudden, that looks like a nice rotation.
If you can get and you've.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Got some death with like Asad and Ray. So is
Ray a free agent tigno one year deal? They probably
sign him for one?

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, he uh, there's a club option.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Club option. They'll probably pick that up just to have him.
You got Ben Brown to like don't have almost certain right,
they don't have pitching that if they add one more
starter and like again, you're they add one more starter.
Kate Horton's for real, Justin Steele comes back healthy. You're
still doing a lot of ifs.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
But but you have sounds like.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah, like options they do like but like Tucker, I
don't want to do like the Mic Friends, so when
Kyle Tucker is Kyle Tucker. But like the whole point
of getting Kyle Tucker. We talked about this, and they
have a lot of like two to three win players
and Tucker was going to be the star that you
could rotate around, and like that happened for half a
season before he got hurt and then he wasn't great
when he came back. But there's not really another guy

(29:16):
like that out there on the market.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, I mean it was still just on reference for
a four and a half win season in one hundred
and thirty six games.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Right, that's very good.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Like when we're talking about a disappointing season from Kyle Tucker,
it's a one forty three ops plus.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
And look, he's gonna want He came out, he had
the Boris core hat on, like he like that. He
did the Garrett Cole speech in the locker room after
the game. But like, well they just I know, but
they like they have the money, the money that they
didn't have the money.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, but like I get your point. They have the
money even within the context of their they're projected payroll
right now, including all those guys they said are going
to be free agents in twenty twenty seven. By the way,
is uh uh, Well with the CBT, it's two forty four. Yeah,

(30:12):
that's over the thresh it's right around.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
But the other thing is like a lot of that
money is going to be coming on, and if the
outfield are good, you can let Sazuki walk right as
a older corner bat and plug an outcultra. You know,
PCA is going to be cheap for a while. I
don't know what PCA is going forward, but he's probably
the thresholder I apologize.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
The threshold is two forty four. They're at one seven.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Oh yeah, they got played one seven. The only people
they're paying us once they're in Managa, right like that
are on long term deals. Well, I guess six if you.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
If you're counting what fifteen million or not? Yeah, it
is corner in Monaga. Boyd is at eighteen million.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Oh right, they got another young Boyd, which is fine.
Like I thought about, I forgot about Matt Boyd. It'll
be easy to do.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
I don't think he's gonna be a game. Titland's at
eighteen million. Suzukim Hapfer at nineteen, and then you can.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Just spend forty million a year on Kyle Talker and
other million things are coming off the books anyway, and
then you.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Can also, by the way, trade for a pitcher right
with without yeah, yeah, almost certainly right right.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
They're not going to do any of that.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
They're not gonna do.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
They might, they might win, but when they win this
year eighty eight eighty nine games, they might win that
again and get a while catch.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
So that's what's next for the Cubs. What's next? What's
next on our agenda are the Mariners and Patrick surviving.
That is our second segment. I had a nice time,
did you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I think?

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
The Cubs won ninety two games. Yeah, they've won that many.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Like I feel like I'm under a spinning every team
by like three games, like any of them were that good.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
The last series doesn't count.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I mean it didn't put the marriage.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
They just the Cubs also got swept by the Reds
like the last.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Week of the year. Yeah, oh no, I I I
had a good time, like I. The thing is that
like losing the way to comes. You were at the
eighteen inning game too, Yes, I was at the eighteen
getting inning game two. The thing is that, like a
certain point with that game, losing the way the Cubs
lose is like everyone's like, oh, the brutal lose that

(32:26):
fifteen game, And sure, I guess that all losses are brutal,
But like this was funny at a certain point, it's
like it'll be fun either way.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah, And so I was like, yeah, I'm fine with this,
this is okay, it's fun.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
I enjoy his emotional torturist experience.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
I mean it's his default setting. Or I will tell
you as a neutral observer.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, it wasn't not.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Fun for me. I'm sure, Pat.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
So I'll tell you my experience. I went to a
concert Friday. Was it Friday night or Saturday night? Friday night?
It's Friday night.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yes, he kept getting your shit. This game is still going.
I've been to a full Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
So I went to the the there's a brewery around
the corner. I went there. I met up with one
of the guys from the band that I was seeing.
I'm like, come meet me in the back bar because
they have the baseball game on there. So I watched
a few innings of that and walked over. I think
we probably walked over. It was before Leo revis tied it,
so probably like the six or seventh inning. Watched the

(33:29):
opening act for a little bit, talk with them some more.
It's like going to extras. When they go on, they
play a full hour and like fifteen minute set, and
I'm like, I'm checking on my phone occasionally. I'm trying
not to be rude about it, but I'm just keeping
an eye on it. I'm curious. And he wanted like,
who you get out? And he's like it's still going.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
I'm like, yeah, it's still going.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
So I go.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
I buy a vinyl. The band's Bombara by the way.
Check them out. They're quite good. The vinyl drive home,
it's like fifteen minutes from the menu, give or take? Uh,
I put, I put some I wanted to eat something.
I made something to eat, heat it up leftovers. Finally,
I'm like, should I put this game on? It's like
the fourteenth inning. I'll put it on for a little bit.

(34:09):
That's a couple of innings of it. That was my
That was my experience with this game.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, my my my kid was at the women's soccer
game across the street, like literally across the star and
two hours after and it.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Will say the best part is I was in the
brewery bathroom peeing when Kerry Carpenter hit the home run.
I tried to do it during the pitching change and
he threw it like I didn't get back out in time. Yeah,
I missed like the only thing that happened in the game.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, so I yeah, I just kept seeing you know.
There was some discussion about like how good the game was.
Adam Amin, who was doing the broadcast, was saying, this
was a great game, blah blah, and I just it
was a tense game.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, there were lots of chances.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
There were lots of chances that went nowhere, but there
was tension to it. This was, to me, by no
means a great game. So I guess it's like what
no one wants to like, no one wants to watch
this game again? Yeah right, and not just because it
took a long time, but like even what were the highlights?

(35:15):
And I want to buy the I expand this back
to the obviously we've just had the extra inning game
from the Dodgers Phillies. Game four also not a good game.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
It's not like it didn't feel like it matters. It mattered.
It didn't feel it also didn't feel like the pictures
were making pitches to get out of the tense situations.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Well except for you, like not in the second half,
like school like it. Yeah, like I wrote everycap, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
There's a certain level of extraining game where it feels
like the first game ended in a tie and a
new game started.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, and like people.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Literally forgot that School and Grey were pitching in that
game by the end of the game, and School struck out,
you know, thirteen matters and was just incredible, Like he
was was the best, and we.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Forgot about him by the time the game was over,
which I don't. That's kind of the point to me,
is like it didn't. It didn't like Burnish the first
part of the game, which which probably was great, right,
Like that's a playoff game. He came out and shoved
and and uh, George Carley was.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Good, you know, Like I will say, like at least
in the Dodgers Phillies game, like Sasaki coming in and
throwing three innings Lozardo like on his theoretically thrown it
when it's like that's at least like something you can
think and think your teeth into, right in a way
that you really also But.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
It also felt a lot so much like offensive ineptitude.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Right, this is like for me, this is the polar
opposite of that Astros Dodgers game. Right, it was a
game six or Game five. It's like the one that
was just like and that was one where it's like
just offensive Haymaker after offensive haymaker and like like it
even like they were getting like Kenny Jansen was trying,
but just like didn't have like it wasn't like it

(36:59):
was just like it felt like a heavyweight fight right
in a way that this didn't.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
This this felt and again there were unlike the Dodgers
Phillies would there were really just no opportunities. There was
suffocation basically by by the opposing picture opportunities here and
then they just just like prat falls well.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Just you know, hitting into double plays. Yet you had
the home the out at home at home, Uh, you
had you had like basically killed.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
One rally by base by calling it for ball four
strike and then kill that one.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Like those things just happened. They just always seemed to
happen as soon as the second runner going on, Okay,
things will fall apart. And sometimes I did feel ineptitude.
Sometimes I did feel luck, and it's just kind of
like but it was like.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
I don't but like I don't think we believe right
and like clutch or like stuff like that, but this
this felt like nobody's rising to the moment.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Right, I mean you also kind of Montero and Jack
Flaherty pitch yes, right.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Like, hey, kider Montero, everybody job, thank you?

Speaker 2 (38:05):
He did, he didn't, Jack Flarity, Yeah, nobody had well
almost certain like.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Sasaki, but like Edward Bizardo three means it and had
pitched every game that series. I think I couldn't believe that.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
But again, like you also feel like the hitter should
be getting to gast Edward Bizardo, Ja Montero.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Everybody looked tired, and I think there's a certain point
of ineptitude where if it's because everyone looks worn out,
you go, Okay, this is the ninth round of a
heavyweight boxing match, where it's like, like, how are these
guys still standing up?

Speaker 1 (38:45):
The other part is neither of these teams feel like heavyweights.
That's part of it is that he doesn't like this
was the third game in the series that ended three
to two, Like it just it felt more like here
are are flaws than here are our strengths in a
lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Well, the Mariners would go on to score three more runs. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, that's fine. I don't I don't want
to defend anything like it was. I think it was
a funny game.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
No, and the thing, look I had I had a
great time on social media. Actually, like it was very enjoyable.
I'm not saying, but but like, I don't think it
was great.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
It was.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
It was fun. The stakes made it meaningful. But like, otherwise,
if this happened.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
In July, probably.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Everyone would have gone home right like it just this
would not have been.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Like, well, this was another There was a lot of
people like being like, we need the ghost Runner. Yeah, no,
and I don't agree.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Well, I'm so I'm so like morally opposed to the
ghost Runner, but I I and I really like my
issue is that it just continues to bail out Bullpen
yeah management, Yeah, like the fact that like no one
carries you know, the crazy part to me, it's it's
less crazy, you're you're especially Jeffery is gonna roull his eyes.

(40:09):
But like the crazy part to me is the Mariners
just never went to Emerson Hancock. Yeah, and I know
he's Emerson Hancock. I know that I'm going to go
to him in game one, But the Tigers went to
Kyder Montero.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Right, Like this is to be fair, had a better
season than he did.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
No, I'm not, but like he is your break why
is he there? He is your break glass in case
of emergency?

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Guy?

Speaker 1 (40:33):
And you went fifteen. I means in game five and
used you started the game with George Kirby, you use
Louis Castillo and.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Hancock.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Oh no, absolutely, but again like what is that? And
then we'll get to it. But like then we don't
see Emerson Hancock in game one.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
The next time, I thought I had typed out Welcome
to the Emerson Hancock game tweet like post, I had
it typed out, and I went, now, I'll get Bryce
one more inning before I post this.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
They're not going to do it to Dave the drafts forever.
So what's next for Detroit? We let's talk about you
just want to Patrick, I want to let you talk
about Leo revs for No, we don't.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
I don't need to talk about it. I look in
the summer, I remember I went to the Tacoma Rainiers
game and Leo Rebos was here and I was there,
and it's not this is not a you know, this
is not one of those Kevin McGonagall like what is
this man doing with these children.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Kind of things but I was looking at this, I'm like,
this guy is better than people who are in the
majors right now for the Mariners like this, this just
I thought you could give give one of the you know,
Leo Rebos, who is good, Yeah, who's good.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
He's like, you know, Revos is switch hitter, a switch
hitter who is He's better than Wade.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Leablanc I words fiting words, way LeBlanc.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
The power of way LeBlanc is the power to be
deceptively averaged. I guess that's what Leo.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
But you went and so like I went and saw
way LeBlanc and Triple A and I'm like, oh, this
is like better than it should Yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
The triple this is better than Triple A, right, I
guess that's the sense sensory euvas is a three fifty OBP.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Guy, and like like that might be it, but that's
good enough.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
That's sure.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
That's actual switch hitter who can play.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
In you know, Kansas City Royals are like what the
fuck is that?

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, and you can you do that?

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Positions one of them second base.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
So yeah, so just like it was, it was very
heartwarming for me.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Like Adam Frazier, but he gets on bass.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
And they and they had to do the double switch,
the double substitution to get it in because they put
in canzone and then they turned, you know, and they
did it like yes, and of course it was Leyvas's
bad side, right, but.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
The advantage it wasn't bad enough, all right? So what
what is next for Detroit, Jeffrey, You are not extending? Yeah?
Are they not? Like that's.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
All the quotes that Scott Harris has given. It's been
very much. It's like, I hope he wins the cy
Young again this year. Okay, but what about next year? Scott?
It's now like kind of next year for you guys.
So those votes have already been cast. So they play
in the AL Central. That's their one big advantage. And

(43:31):
you look at this team, right, so next year you'll
probably see Kevin McGonagall at some point, very likely. I
think you'll see one or more of Max Clark, Tyrone
Lorenzo and Josey Brussanio. These are these are like all
top fifty prospects. I Mena Loronzo might not be, but
they're all like really good prospects.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
They also have like Dylan Bindler, so like they might
not well, I guess Lorenzo might not be a catcher.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
But neither neither him or Brusandia are probably but you know,
and they have torque obviously, But like you can work
these guys into the first base, DH Max, I sure
going to continue to play. Oh, by the way, I meant,
actually I did have banter. Just for the record, Craig,
how do you pronounce Kerry and Barry?

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Oh? No, no, no, no, no, no, all right, we've
done this. Someone someone even replied to my post and
was like, I remember your rant about about this one
the broadcast. I say, Kerry Carpenter, yeah, and Barry Bonds.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
I mean those are different they Kerry, yeah, Barry. I
didn't say carry, I said Kerry.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
I just you know, all this does this makes me
think about when I taught you know, there are different letters,
you guys, they are There are different letters.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Lots of English English English, Yes.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
A lot of a lot of words with different letters
that at the same time. Yes, I will say that,
like I think this is wrong of me, But like
when I was in my early twenties, I moved to
Korea for a year and I taught English to children,
and in that time there were other.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Teachers at the school.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
But I was always the one who got selected to
read out things because I am from Seattle and therefore
have no accent and had the most vanilla way of
speaking English. And I took from away from that that
my way of saying things not not correct.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
But like the international standard.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
The international standard, like yeah, like not not good, but
it's what's the most accepted.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
You specifically talk about the very the ways that people
from the Pacific Northwest don't like. Oh no, it's bad.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I don't like it, okay, but it's the way it is,
except apparently just you have this thing that my ears cannot.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Hear you say and Laurel, Right, they sound.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Exactly the same, sound like the craig when you say it.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, when you say it, they sound the same, you think, okay,
when you say the word.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Man, right, yeah, But there's the R.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
The R is the complicating factor anyway, like this is
this is no.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Different because well, I mean this is literally where the
distinction comes from. In the dialect stuff with merry, I
say merry, but there's an R.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
The R overtakes the vowel. You're just going straight. Actually
it doesn't maybe for you, yes, for me as as
the arbiter of all language. Yes, for me, the R
takes over. Anyway, this is this is exactly like when
my wife cooks something and she asked me to take
a sip of it and go, oh, this tastes good.
And then she like changes a little bit and says,
what about now, And I'm like, oh, this tastes good

(46:47):
because it tastes the same.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
I can't tell the difference. They're fine, they don't.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
It doesn't anyway if the Tigers play carry Carpenter.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
In the core see, but well, hold on, I just
want to say one thing on this. Yeah, because you
look it's fine. I also want to be clear to
everyone like I do it because I think it's annoying
to people. I don't like it's it's not I do
think it. But also there's no one right way to
do it, so I recognize that. But like you say,

(47:19):
you said Harry Carpenter, right, yeah, okay, But I had
people sending me stuff that's like I say, you're not
going to hear the difference. But for the people that had,
they say, like I say, berry, like they sent me
a phonetic spelling of it right where it was like
berry which is what I say, like blueberry, I don't

(47:40):
say blueberry. I say blueberry, and but they were like
I say Berry. No one says Berry bonds. Everyone says Berry,
which is fine. That's how it's I know you guys
can't hear the difference. I apologize, but like that part
drove me crazy because no one says I understand people
say Carrie like Carrie. I know, I know that, and

(48:00):
I accept that. But if there are people out there
saying Berry bonds, I'm gonna lose my mind. That's it.
That's the end of I say, go ahead, Okayry.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
If the Tigers play Kerry Carpenter and the outfield more
next year, they might have room for person or Lorenzo
at DH. I mean, Clark's not an obvious fit either.
Bill Parker Meadows is not always healthy. Look again, they
might need to make a consolidation, trade themselves for a picture.
But it's just hard for me to see. Like I mean,

(48:33):
not that every team needs krek'scooble the front of their rotation,
the Tigers really need him. Like that's like, that's the
difference between being kind of an al central contender and
being a team that can go deep in the playoffs. Yeah, they're,
they're and like, I get it right, he's going to
be thirty. He's got he's got eight years on this

(48:54):
new UCL now and he's already at flexure tend and
surgery as a pro. Like it's it's probably gonna go bad,
but he's gonna like he's gonna beat the coal number.
He should beat the coal number. Yes, and the Tigers should.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Just pay him. Yeah. I think they have the room.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
They absolutely especially have the room. They've only got what
they got one more year on Bias or two.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
I also, I don't have it in front of it.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
There's like no other real long term money here.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
No, no, there's not. They have They have Jack Flaherty
next year for ten million, which is honestly fine. Yeah,
or what you're they have Bias for two two more.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Again it's not And the only other.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Long term deal is Keith Cole Cole excuse me? Yeah,
uh Colt Keith who is you know not topping out
at five point three and he's not there yet.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Yeah yeah, So like and again they're going to continue
like some of these guys will start, like Riley Green
will start getting expensive, but not he's still gonna be ARB, Like,
it's not that much. You're gonna have McGonagall up on
a pre ARB deal. You're gonna have Torque. I think
as Tork might be UR one now, but you're gonna

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still have a lot of these pre ARB guys.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Tork is uh going to be ARB one?

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yeah? This coming like you can just pay r like
you simply can't replace Trek school. That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Like this is one obviously, you guys know how I
felt about one Sodo Scoobl's not Soto and that he's
not twenty five. Right, he's a picture with arm and
he's a picture with with really extensive yeah, health history,
I mean like an injury history, I should say.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
But these might have been the too healthiest seasons of
his career, right, you can't.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Now they were also, I know that's incredible. Yeah, this
I don't know. I just to me if what's the
point what's the point of sports? If?

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Well, depends on who you ask, I know, I know,
but but it.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Is it's one of those existential things to write.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
The Mets like Mets beat slash fans are kind of
doing those Alzo now, but like, and I know the
Tigers haven't won anything either, But like the Tigers' success
the last two years was like they have overperformed in
a way that Mets probably underperformed with p Alonzo there,

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and Scooba is like the flashpoint for that, you know everything,
he's homegrown. He's an ace. Like you just pay that guy, yeah,
and deal with the consequences down the road.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Right, His consequences are your consequences.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
It's also just like there's there's no way it can
be worse than the end of the the Migul Cabrera. Sure, right,
like you've you've survived it, you've you've navigated it before, and.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Then you have a beloved figure in your history. Now, yeah,
it comes out to throw first pitches and you know, like.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
That part of it I think is underrated, right, Right,
If you trade Schoogle to the Yankees for George Lombard
Junior and Dax Kilby and Carlos Lagrange or whatever, it's
one year, that's the problem, right, Like nobody actually pays
to be one expensive year to come up back to back.
Cie Young's like this was the problem with Soto, but

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that's way teams are going to value it. He's not
going to sign an extension because he's a Boris client, right, Like,
I mean, if he's going to sign an extension, it's
going to be like Strasburg, you're out where it's like
you're paying him the market rate. Now, they should just
probably do that if you're the team trading for him
or the Tigers. But yeah, I don't know what they
do around that, because like, obviously they had a very

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bad finish to the season, but they also got a
fair amount of Like the got first half Hobby bay As,
they got the Spencer Tarkles, some breakout, they got a
great lead season Jones, they got late season Jami Jones,
they got season. They got a very good and fully
healthy Casey My season. They got a pretty good and

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fully healthy, fully healthy Jack Flaherty season. Like, I don't
know that you can bet on those going forward. I'm
pretty sure you can bet on Terrek school.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah, until he gets hurt and you know, you deal
with it. Then these guys, I don't know, Like it's
also the injury stuff.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
If he doesn't get hurt over the life of this deal,
he's going into the Hall of Fame as a Detroit Tiger, right.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Yeah, it's right, it's Chris Sale, Like Chris Sale could
have been any one of a number of teams Hall
of Famer forever, and all those teams bet against him.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
And also by the way he got hurt, he didn't
get hurt, and he still.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Got hurt and he came back.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
That's what I was gonna say, is like it used
to be second Timmy John especially was like, you know,
you might come back, but you're not going to be
the same, you know, show your Tani's throwing ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, not peak de gram, but
he's thirty seven. You wouldn't expect them to be right,
He's still a very good picture.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah, he's still very good picture.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Right. If you get that kind of Yeah, if you
get that kind of quality post assuming another injury, but
post that injury for Schoogle, you're fine. Yeah. All right,
let's take a break and we'll come back in preview
the ongoing and soon to start series. Welcome back to

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episode four hundred and ninety nine of five and Dive.
We're on our third segment. We're doing our NLCS preview.
This one is a proper preview has yet to start.
I don't know that the I don't know. I don't
know where to start in one. So so.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
That that works out, what's that you know?

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yeah, so that the Dodgers had some pitching sequence decisions
to make here, it seemed very likely that Blake Snell
was going to start game one.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
He is.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
The choice that they had to make then was whether
they want to throw show Hey Otani or Yoshiobu Yamamoto
in game two and in game six because neither of
them start on five days rest. They also want, probably
as as would last series, there's a factor of they
like to get Otani a day off after he pitches.

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He's performed relatively poorly offensively games after he pitches. With
that in mind, I thought they were gonna go with
Otani game two and game six and save Yamamoto for
I guess game four because the game three starter can
come back for game seven four days rest, but can't

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do that.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
I think I get why you're saying all this. Yamoto
is a better picture right now, you throw them twice,
so right.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
And that's what they did. That's what they decided. I
don't know that the gap between Yamamoto and Otani is
very significant right now.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
I don't think it's that significant. But I just think
the guy that's pitched all season has been that. Like, like,
I just I'm the better picture.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
I don't disagree.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
And I think you also put yourself in a situation
where if you win the first three games, you can
kind of play it by year after that, right, sure,
and try to line up like stuff. You can save
Otani for game five and to give him the day
off and you start.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Oh you do the Dave Roberts punk consparious.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Yeah, so you can. You can start to play with
your food a little bit, right.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Justin Robleski is here because Tanner Scott has a has
an abscess.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Yeah, I mean you give yourself options, right, Like, I
don't think they're gonna win the first three games of
this series, but no, they might. They're the better pitcher
in all three. And then I think they're the better
team right now.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
So I think so too. Well, we'll get to that.
But I also think, like Milwaukee just doesn't go.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
What sure, Milwaukee hitters against the Dodgers bullpen is gonna
be a fascinating matchup.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah, sorry, Craig designed.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
To torture those guys like in a laboratory. Oh absolutely,
And Caleb Durbin against Justin Robles.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Ye, against the starters. Yeah, yeah, so they they are.
We don't know when Otani will pitch. I'm assuming it
will be Game four because of the Game three seven situation.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Yeah, which, and look game seven is not like toany
can give you an inning. It gives you an inning, right, Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
How it works with him as a Really has that
been clarified by the league at all?

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Because of the d H thing?

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I don't, right, Their whole rule is built around I believe,
starting right, So I don't know that maybe he can close, right,
but maybe you could use him as the closer in
that situation.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
You think it's something that they would have.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
They might have answered it, but it's not public. I
have not.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Well, I mean, if if he's dhing and he comes
in to pitch, you give up the d H spot.
But he's just the pitcher, correct, But but the point
if somebody comes in that spot comes up. Okay what
you mean?

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Yeah, That's what I'm saying my understanding of the rule
as written. And look, they might clarify this and he
can do it whenever. I don't know. I mean it
literally is so it is, but my my understanding of
the rule is that it is he remains in the
game after he leaves as but again, like they might

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have said, oh, we really meant whenever, I don't know.
I'm sure it can be a scandal for the of
course for the League of the Dodgers. So we'll see, Uh,
this is going to be a much better matchup, should be,
I should say, a much better matchup for Dodgers hitters

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then felt design to absolutely I mean abuse anybody, but
also especially Tony, especially the lefties.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Like Quinn Priester is going to look like he's throwing
beach balls out there compared to It's a good picture.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
We we will know, as as has everybody. The Milwaukee
went six and oh versus the Dodgers this year. It's
my view that doesn't really it's not I don't know
that seasonal series ever matter, but it feels especially not
representative of how either team is now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
I mean, in eighty eight when they beat the Mets
in the NLCS or whatever, the Mets have gone like
eleven and three against or ten and three against them
that year or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Yeah, I mean I imagine if you ran correlations, it
just doesn't matter very very much. But also like the
Dodgers didn't have Monthsy the Otani was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Going to in how many of those games were started
by like Matt Soer, Like I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Don't think, I don't think then, But like Asparius was
in relief in the you know whatever. I guess he
could still be, but he's been off the roster for
the significan period of time at this point. You know,
they didn't have Roki Sasaki. There were a number of
things going on with the Dodgers, and I think partimilarly
the the Brewers were healthy and they're not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Holy Brewers and one against the Mats in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Right there you go, speaking of Milwaukee not being fully healthy. Uh,
Brandon Woodruff is not back for this series, unfortunately, Jackson Curio.
I guess we'll see. He keeps playing with the hamstring
the way it is that I know people and and
Daniel Epstein pointed this out in our preview, but you know,

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people highlighted he didn't get a ball that I'm sure
was a very high percentage catch probability or whatever off
of the b of Carson Kelly in game in Game five,
I think he was positioned really really deep. Yeah, so
some of it was the position, some of it was
probably he couldn't move run like he wants to. Yeah,

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and Christian Yelich still has a you know, his back is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Yeah, they don't get better.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Yeah, right, we're all familiar with here poorly, it's it's
flaring up a little bit. He's gonna play through it what.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
You do in the NLCS, right, Like, yeah, so I
don't do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
We want to do. I don't know what else you
guys want to bring up here? Do we want to do?
The will win if? Here? We we did not break
it down, but we can just kind of just like
we're not each going to offer something, but I don't know,
feel free to throw something out there and we can
talk around. I mean, will win if.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Yeah, I mean we made our predictions, and I can
definitely see why I put mine, which is that the
Dodgers will blow blow two games, okay, sure, and like
they're they're probably a team that wins in five, but
will win in seven is my feeling. And it's going
to be like the Brewers will and it will be
like the double in two singles.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Right, I'm gonna say the Brewers will win if these
if there are a lot of five three games in here, like,
those are the kind of games they need to win.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah, they need I can see Brewers just having crooked
innings in the seventh right, specifically this year, specifically, Yeah,
three one deficits becoming five three leads feels right to me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Yeah, I mean, look if if if the Dodgers are
getting limited to three.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Runs, yeah, it's tough for them. They picked their starting
pitch has a very.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Good shot of winning. I think the Dodgers need to
score more, right, I mean maybe this is the Dodgers
will win if if the Dodgers will win if they
score more than three, you know, they got to score
more than three runs, and they probably should given the matchups, right,
I mean, Freddy Peralta, he had a rough start, but
he's Freddy Peralta. But they need to be.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
That pen has been was used very heavily in the
Cup Series two.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Well, and that's kind of where I was. I was going,
was like, if if the Brewers pen doesn't show wear
and tear, yeah, they're in I mean they're very much
in this. You know. Matt true Blood wrote our our
series preview, the Dodgers I'll throw out there are very

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heavily favored. Well just Pakota has them at seventy eight percent,
which feels like a lot given that Milwaukee again went
six and oh homefield has home Field. I you know,
one thing I noted, and I mentioned this online, is
Milwaukee has a worse d R minus as a team

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and a worse DRC plus. Pakota's gonna that. I was, like,
the recipe for Pakoda predicting did.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
What they did for one hundred and sixty two games
was mostly drive Craig Nutts. But there it's this is
this they have at least in the last couple of series.
The Phillies in the Reds looked like the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Yeah, and like it's a Dodge that is that is Look,
this is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
The Dodgers will win if they're the Dodgers, basically is
what I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Yeah, look, I think they're the better team. Yeah, no,
shade to Milwaukee. They should. This was a team I
thought was gonna win one hundred and six games. I
think they look relatively close to that team that team
right now. And as much as the bullpen is a
problem and bullpens are extremely important in October, the way

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the schedule works also lets you cover a lot of
that up.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
And they now have starters that can go deep into
games right now. Class Now and Snell don't always go
deep into games, but didn't. Yeah they can. They can,
Like you know, Snow could come out and just throw
six shutout innings tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
That's what he's done. I mean, I know he gave
up some runs, but he's gone six innings and nine
strikeouts in these playoffs starts. It's hard.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
This is this is also actually legitimately hard to hit
three singles off Blakes Now. Now you might walk legitimately like, yeah,
well this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
This lineup versus Blake Snow is going to be really fascinating. Yeah,
because neither of them given right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
And and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
You know, I don't think I think the Phillies lineup
is more talented overall, more like like a Chase Well
Trey Turner. Also Lake Snow just threw him three straight
change ups and he never like, he didn't move up
in the box. He didn't say I'm just gonna spit
on it like he he just did the same thing

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three times that that I don't think that happens versus Milwaukee.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Hitter to be honest, curio will expand they have sometimes
that will expand. But like and they do strike out
some like it's not fifteen Royals but or this Blue Jays.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Or the But.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Again, I just think, you know, it's who's pitching game
one from Milwauk Camp By.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
The way, is it technically PVD, but I think it's
Queenn priest Am.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
I think they're gonna go ka. I think it's gonna
be Priester, then uh Pa, then Ashby, and then I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Would say it's there. They're gonna throw a bullpen.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Yeah right, I mean they have to actually have four starters.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
They don't have four starters, which is weird.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
I mean they did technically the technically have four starters.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Lots of starters, but they have Chad Patrick and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Then yeah, they have starters.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
They have start again you can. The thing is like
a bullpen game won't necessarily wipe out their good relievers
or they have a lot of good relievers, right, that's
the part.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
But like, and they can use Patrick or Misiowski for length,
right and then not use well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
And the bullpen game is going to be Miserowski, Like
you say Ashby because he'll probably start. But but it's
gonna be Miserowski and you can throw Miserowski one time
through even ten to twelve batters whatever, and then you
can throw Chad pat for six to nine batters, and
then you can throw to buy. You're that's a game.
You got a game, and you didn't. You can rest

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rebay and and McGill and whatever. They have those options. Yeah.
I said Dodgers and six. Uh, Jeffrey, you said Dodgers
of five. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
I just I feel like Milwaukee's kind of had to
spend a few too many bullets. It's a lost round
and I just I think the Dodgers are getting hot
at the right time, and I just think it's it's
just the starting pitching is just deeper here, and I
think it's gonna excert itself enough.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Yeah. I mean, again, this is if if there are
a few ways to frame it, but if the Dodgers
starters don't go deep, yeah, it's gonna that looks really
good for walk It is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
And I thought the Dodgers can't wint to Slugfest. They can,
but the Milwaukee bullpen is very hard.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
To come back. Yeah, it's hard to come back on
those guys. It is, is there anything we didn't get to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
I said seven. Ultimately, like I can see Milwaukee in this,
I can, Yeah, I consume, But yeah, I do think
the Dodgers will just eventually just smother.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
H and I do. The one other thing is with
Churio's injury, is it means Blake Perkins is basically starting
all the time as opposed to a platoon bat, although
they did they started Brandon Lockridge against jameson Tyan. I
don't I don't know how that'll work out, but it
means you can't platoon Perkins. So he's gonna like he'll

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be in the lineup today against Snell. It matters like
they the Dodgers only have Blake Snell in terms of
start lefty starters, but that that is one impact. It
basically sidelines Isaac Collins, who absolutely wrecked the Dodgers in
the regular season series but had kind of been falling
out of favor. Yeah late in the season. Anyway. Uh,

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that gets us to our a LCS preview feels wrong,
tape delayed. Let's talk. Let's just talk about Game one.
Bryce Miller, Yeah, YEA started this game started with a
George Springer homer first. The two men getting on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
And I thought, okay, well it didn't technically start with it.
It started with basically cal Rawley getting thrown out of
the plate on the so the replay came out and
did he get he got thrown? I I it was
one of those plays Wilson did not challenge and he

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did not use another challenge all game. Uh, but I,
to me, it looked like the sort of play where
I thought he was safe and I thought it would
never get overturned.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
It was never gonna get overturned. And if they had
called him safe, they were not going to overturn.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
It was too close, It was too close, but he
was probably safe. It was very hard to tell. He
easily puts yeah, so so yeah. Then first pitch and
not the worst first pitch in the world. Like Bryce
Miller has had fastball location problems all year, and like

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he's just not like this, this is this, this is
just the dude who was never healthy and it just
does not feel like Bryce Miller had it all year
and he could not locate his fastball and he needs
to because that's like he has seven pitches.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
He also has one pitch.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
If the fastball does not work, nothing else in his
arsenal works and he got he got it on the
outside edge.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
It was a little up, but it was not up up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
It was, you know, still below median on the strike zone,
and Springer just pounds it first, just right away, and
it's just like, okay, this is how this game is
going to go. And game did not go that way, right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
That's that's this. I mean, if you look at the
the game day location thing, it is on the black.
Yeah it's it's middle up, but it's on the black. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
I mean he was just decided he was going to
swig at the first pitch fastball, no.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Matter what it was, and yep, and he hit it
like it was middle middle and it looked disastrous.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
And then that the end.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
The Blue Jays got on base twice more the entire.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
But they got on the next two guys got yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Sorry, after that inning, they got on on base twice more, and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
And I felt like, oh, like Bryce Miller is in
for it. Yeah, I mean the stadium was absolutely rocking,
and they just yeah, yeah, it didn't convert. And then
it was and it was also like it was Nathan
it was Nathan Luke's Lucas and he worked like what

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was like nine pitch at bat something like that that
he and they ended up walking on and it just
felt like Bryce Bryce Miller is in hell.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Yeah, Emerson Hancock was like, you know, like just he
was mentally already prepared.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
I undersold Nathan Lucas, I'm sorry. It was a twelve pitchwaha.
And it's just like first pitch Homer, twelve pitch walk
like it just yeah, it seemed like he was in
for it. He was just gonna have to wear one.
It was just gonna be like, Okay, Seattle just came

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off this high. Yep, You're just gonna have to regroup. Yeah, yeah,
they were happened the disadvantage in this one anyway, And
yeah yeah, and this is not what happened. The Mariners
scored three runs, as they're required to do to win.
Cal Rowley got him back on the got him on

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the board with a solo home run, and then Jorge
p and then that's their recipe.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Clutch had in the postseason for the Mariners. And yeah, yeah,
and and and the bullpen looked excellent like it was.
It was legitimately confusing for Matt Brash to only come
in and pitch the three batters any reliever anything like,
I feel like more Mariners relievers have faced five or
six batters than they faced three batters in this postseason.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Well, I mean crucially, spire didn't collapse. Yeah, right, which
after the Tigers series that that was a victory in
and of itself, right, Brash looks good and then you
know always looks good. So uh yeah, it just it.

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Uh it's they sucked the air out of out of
the stadium and and the Blue Jay is just like
you said, like they just never really threatened.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
Again, I've had a lot of the same vibe as
is a Game five at the Brewers Cubs. Yeah, yeah,
but there's no real and their steaks. It's the first
game of the ALCS. There's no real tension, right because.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Yeah, the Toronto at no point felt like they had to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Come back and the right and they had to hit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Yeah, so right, but that out of the way. We'll
go to our preview here. Bobachette could not make it back.
Uh barely. You could hit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Baschett was at a point where he could hit but
not field. And they didn't want to uh use a
roster spot on somebody who couldn't. It was only basically
for pinch hitting. Give it, they already not. But he
basically could not run much either. No, he was not
running full speed.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
He was not able to like I mean he like
look when that happened, it looked like he sucked up
his knee very badly.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
No, for sure. Yeah, well the only reason I asked
is that like with Lucas now, yeah, taken out of
this game and and not like they they could put
it might push them into putting Springer out in the app.
The other part is you're not going to just DH
Bhet because Springer has been very good there and obviously

(01:16:09):
has an injury history, and you don't want to push him.
He's in it. You know, he's in his thirties, all
of this kind of stuff that you don't You might
not risk that. But if Lucas can't play right and
he's not going to play today, I don't think. Yeah,
maybe you make a move and say we you know,
we'll take a DH Bashett and push George Springer. I mean,

(01:16:31):
it's desperate, but it's the it's the alcs hell.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Without like knowing exactly what kind of shape, it's hard
to It.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Is also Nathan Lucas and like he's been great. But
you know this is this is who theoretically should be
your fourth outfielder.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
It's a yes, but he's a he's a really good fit.
If he were able to play, he should play.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Yeah, right, I don't know what compromise basically.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
I mean, like it's a it's a little I didn't
look up his season. I know he had a decent season,
but like a little like you're talking about Leo Revas
right like he is like he fits, he's an on
you know, I guess he wasn't that big of an
on bass guy. He normally is an on bass guy, right,
Like when he's going good, he should be. But yeah,
I don't know. Uh So Toronto is a little bit

(01:17:24):
short handed here. They lose a platoon bat. Basically they're
gonna have to play you know, David Schneider or something.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Yeah, it's against yeah, on the wrong side, because you know,
the Mariners have only right handed Pittrick and Gabe Smeyer.
It's very weird after Detroit series where that was a
humongous problem for the Mariners, that this is now a
humongous problem for the Toronto Blue Jays. That the Mariners
have only right handers.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Yeah, although again, like you said, it's is it humongous,
like it's a he's kind of fourth outfield ery, Like
David Schneider could just hit three homes.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
He could who knows, that's what he does what he
does sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Or he'll strike out a lot. I don't know. It
doesn't feel like there's much in between on on the
other side. Uh, the Mariners added Bryan wu back.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Yep, it sounds like he will. They wanted to go
game four, game five.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
You know how healthy I mean, how healthy is Ryan?

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Can I think that they're gunning for four or five
innings from Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
Okay, and again you can play this by year. Right
now that you've won game one and have you have
a little a little bit little have a little bit
of a pillow. It might disappear after tonight, but heard
this afternoon, that's been a whole thing too.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
David Schneider, by the way, no real distinguishing flip tune spits.
He's I'm I'm overrating the problem there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
He's fine, well, well he's fine, but it's it's again,
it's one of those strat things where it's like but
but the righty gets to face rights and they're better
against Writing's right. The picture gets to be have their
advance as opposed to Maybe it's no difference to Schneider,
but yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
The Maritors being a slider heavy team that probably does
have some effects as well.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
You talk about the fifteen all sliders, Yes, well, why
I throw it straight?

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Honestly, it's like, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't know.
I'm not a scientist, but it feels like a pitch
that Ben's is just instinctively harder to hit than a
pitch that doesn't bend.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
I would just throw the bitch more.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
One of the guys who throws a lot of color strategy,
one of the guys who threw a.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
Lot of them, Logan Gilbert. Also a lot of splitters
will be starting game two.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Yeah, this is interesting. I assume everyone in the world
assumed that Castillo would pitch because he pitched before Gilbert
in the Division Series and also threw fewer pitches in
the Division Series.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
In game five, and it's is it closer to his
It's it's more closer to being on rotation for him
because he threw Game two. Yes, so yes, Alds.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Right, he would be online extended. I mean he's pitching
in five, but he'll be on extended rest, right, But.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
It's going to be Gilbert.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
I mean, I assume the better picture. Well I'm I'm
sure they're still doing the Castillo home road thing too here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Yeah, that's also a factor.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
I assume that's part of it. I also assume then
you get low and Gilbert back for the game six.
If you need him, they might not push him. This
might be five and five is shinnings mm hm. And
and going back to the bullpen because again you did
you actually got out without.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Using you can and is through like ten pitches or whatever,
like right, suddenly that bullpen doesn't seem nearly as tired
as it used to.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
It's well that and that's the interesting thing. Like they
they all got used a lot in that series though,
Like that's my question is like when do they start
to show it and if they start to show it, like.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Like this is like you can't catch up on sleep
on the weekend if you haven't been sleeping for all week, right,
Like it's this that you can get some of it back,
but there's still going to be right and when there's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
The adrenaline run out. It didn't run out. Yes, I
don't think it's going to I thought it was, but
it didn't. Yeah. And and the question is, you know,
maybe it doesn't, but it feels like it at some
point it will. I I don't know what the Blue
Jays are going to do. Speaking of games for Max,

(01:21:23):
Scherzer is added to the roster. Chris Bassett was added
to the roster.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Sound like Schurzer was more like they specifically said sures
are going to factor in the game four. Yeah, which
I have a factor and means start or factor and
means like might be.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
An inning like Eric.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Uh, but that's I think it's going to be more
likely to be used in their Colin Ray.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Like fill in kind of role.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
Got a pitch behind Mason flue Hardy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
Yeah, well, also makes sense to use him in Seattle, frankly,
the same way that Seattle's treating Ristio so in terms
of his flagball tendencies that that doesn't make some sense,
all right, So we can go to predictions. And also,
you know these teams will win if you guys picked

(01:22:10):
the same thing. Yeah, I originally they already won a game.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
I feeling was Toronto and six, and then they lost
the Kevin Gosman Brycemeller game.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
And also, by the way, we pass this, but Gosman pitched,
well he did you, I mean, he was fine. But yeah,
they run on the.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
They still lost the game though, and they don't use
Kevin Gosman.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
No, I'm just saying, yeah, that was more a recap than.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
Look, I think Seattle it's look a Seattle wins tonight
was a savage against.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Jobert.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Like there savage has on the short like that, and
it's one one going back to Seattle, like maybe the
Gale stipped back a little bit. But yeah, I'm going
with the available information.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
That I have.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
I think these are pretty pretty even. I think that
the Maryor's pitching gives them the slat in the bullpen.
Like I think that the Mariner's tired bullpen is better
than the blue Jays rested bullpen. Yes, so between those
two things, I think Toronto's offense is better. Certainly has
been playing better this postseason. I think that, you know,

(01:23:18):
between the two of them, I think the Mariners have
a few more advantages than the Blue Jays at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Plus, I think, especially with with Gossman, I think going in,
I felt it was very even losing. Losing Gosman versus
Brice Milware is uh is a blow. However, I will
be going with the Blue Jays and seven because it's
the bit. Why would I am? It worked last time? Yeah,

(01:23:45):
I thought I thought the Yankees were the better team.
I think I said I would normally pick the Yankees,
and I'm picking the Blue Jays. Why wouldn't I pick
the Blue Jacks? Sure, I think, yeah, Look this that
was a big game for Seattle. I think if we
had recorded before this, we would have said the Mariners
will win if they can steal game one. Sure, well
they stole game one. Pakoda? Is this is this after

(01:24:10):
game one?

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
This is after game one?

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Yeah? I think I think before game one. I think
Pakoda was fifty five for the Mariners. That sounds right,
That sounds right. It is after game one, Pakoda sev Yeah, yeah,
I mean, yeah, that sounds right. Before about the fact,
how do you feel about the fact that the Mariners,

(01:24:31):
with a game in the bank, still not Pakoda's less
confident in them the Dodgers versus more confident.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Than the Dodgers or less confident in Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
One of the two. It's a little bit of both, right,
I mean all right, well, so that's do we have
anything else for this series?

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
That takes us to our game?

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Sorry, hold on, hold on, Patrick, I do want to know.
I put out a call last time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
We've received couple emails on games, and one of them
I didn't I try not to look. It looks like
there have been multiple games in one of Thanks thanks
to one of you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
All right, So I've not tried not to look. I
just have been so busy I didn't look. So thank
you for everyone who is in line. Yeah, we might
be in line for an Audimes episode.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Thank you for everyone who's provided. Thank you in advance
for everyone who will be guilted by the sentence into providing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
Do what you can.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
I don't care how good they are. I just need games,
all right. So this is we're back to AKA. But
this is a special Halloween version of AKA. My wife
and I should have brought up this post. My wife
showed me a joke post that she saw where it
was like basically all of the knockoff Chinese versions of

(01:25:52):
costumes with the serial numbers filed off so that they
didn't have to pay any royalties to the actual subjects
of the costume. So they'll take every they'll take Spider
Man and they'll call him insect Boy or something. Yeah, okay,
so they don't have to pay Marvel for the pseudo
rights to Spider Man in this.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Yeah, it could be either one probably insect insect based.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Yeah, there's got to be a bee, right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Oh yeah, I think there is a bee. Teen Titans go, like,
watch character be more more insects superheroes than sports teams
when you think about it, and even think that insects
would be a natural, like they're stinking. There are people
trying to get the spiders back. Yeah, I mean wasps
what everyone everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Was? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Yellow jackets, yellow jackets, hornets, yellow jack have the hornets,
the hornet hornets.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Wasn't there the sand nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Yes, there's a lot of like minor league insects.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Yeah, I guess that's what ye because they're small anyway.
So so what we're gonna say, I'm gonna give you
these are these are ak These are nicknames, nicknames that
hopefully you just know, and I'm going to translate them
into the spirit Halloween nicknames and you have to tell

(01:27:20):
me the player.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
They actually multiple steps there, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
Multiple steps. You have to translate the nicknames and then
figure out the play.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
It's not good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
There's ten of them. It's buzzer style, so get your
hands on buzzers, all right. Number one, the stone Fruit
of the South.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Okay, I know who is it? Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Who's what we're gonna do for this one is you're
gonna the actually.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
Georgia Peach. I know what was the Georgia peach. I
could not remember who that was.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Okay, that bodes ill for you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Well, I told you that's fine. I know what was
the Georgia peach.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Number two, So what we'll do is, if you guess,
I'm gonna let you guys have multiple guesses. We'll see
if this works. If you guess, then you can guess again,
but only after the other person is guessed.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Okay, all.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Justice Canine.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Crime drof Fred McGriff I don't need to say the
other one.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
The only way I got there, getting the whole process
as it goes. Yeah, years turning.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Number three steak, bacon, sausage patties, eggs, potatoes, pancakes.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Now that one's like Craig Craig is right on that,
right on top of that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
All right. I hate this one.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
I can't believe I made myself read this one out.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Uh all right, sorry, I'm gonna read it to myself
in my head like six times before I say it
out loud, because I cannot pronounce this word. Homo neanderthalensis.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Oh John.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Johnny Damon Joy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Damon's correct was that's what I was gonna say, And
I was like, what's he? Captain cave Man.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
You should have just said it, and then I should
have just said too, all right. Precipitation summoner Steve Trajosh
Donaldson Josh Donson's correct. I was doing ye that Yeah,
that's uh, Mike Cargo, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Also, Steve trapped, but it doesn't count. I'm just all right.
Next one, the tiny child.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Babe Ruth.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Mum hmmm mm hmmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
I had something else in mind. I'm gonna let Craig
have one guess and we can't get the better guests,
and I'll give.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
It to you, now what you don't give it to him,
And it's not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
It's not it's not what I intended, but it's not bad.
It is the it's the babe like that is the
tiny child like yeah, I I I don't. I can't
tell Jeffy's.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Wrong on that one, Soto, Then all right, I'm gonna
give it to Jeff. But he's also bambino, childish bambino.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Fine, fine, I'll give you each one for that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
I was going for you both.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Did the kid which would be Gary Carter or Kekerju
a man worthy of a quintet. Oh von Hayes Bon
Hayes is crap. I don't even know that's one you've
drilled into me. Yes, insane man of your Eastern European descent. Alan,

(01:30:51):
well done, well done, all right, five? Four we get
two left. The sudden sense of excitement.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Yeah, this might be the toughest one in sense, the
sudden sense of excitement. I'm gonna be mad when I
don't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
It's I who is this? I'm gonna be mad too,
Jolt and Jodan mashiw No.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
Oh, not about it. It's good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
I'm not gonna accept it, but it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
Sorry, And you're gonna accept Babe for bambabe. The tiny
child is the baby like it is, it's it's uh babe.
He is called the babe.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Anyway, it's Will Clark Will the thrill.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Okay, final, Okay, you're you're gonna get me on jolts
versus thrill.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
I was trying to think, like startling. I like it's
sudden Sam mcdowb but startling Sam mc dowell. That kind
of makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
I bet here's I'm going to tell you something, Jeff.
If you had said sudden, Sam McDowell, he would have
given it. He would have given it to you know,
because excitement is part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Suddenness does not why I didn't say it?

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Last one, the man who believes that the state has
the right to excute execute prisoners for certain heinous crimes.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Joacqum Sorry, Oh no, ship, I guess I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
I have it on the list.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
That's fine. I'm gonna accept it. So it's a time, Jeff, Oh,
it's on my it's on the list. I put that multiple.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Second answers, the possible answer.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Guess the first one.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
Yeah, Jeff gets to guess. The first one doesn't know
you You you guessed one. You've got it right, you
got it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
That's how it works.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Uh, do you have it?

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
You have your guests for the Okay, it's Frank Howard
the Capital Punisher, but yeah, congratulations, that is the it's awkward.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Tie in the number of levels.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
We won't did this game again.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
I didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
I like this game. I think it's good. I think
we should do this game again. I think the rulings
are a little That is unfortunately how this game is format.
It provides me at a certain level of authority that
I don't think you're comfortable with. And you know what,
I think it's good, Patrick, I liked it. I think
it's good. We you know, I can disagree and that's fine.

(01:33:29):
Thank you for the game. I honestly think you should
bring it back.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
It is more work than just looking up the names.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Oh it's a lot. Yeah, I don't know if it's
worth you do the actual time you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
Spend then having to think if you guys can actually recognize.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
It, like you know, we did pretty well.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Like, yeah, I thought it was good. All right, Well,
thank you Patrick for the game. Thank you to you
both for cos in this episode, and thank you to
our listeners for joining us on another episode of five
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