Five and Dive, Episode 501: Turn the Season

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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Welcome to episode five oh one, five and five. It
is Friday, October seventeenth. I'm your host, Jeffrey Petter Nostro
joining me, of course for our third show this week.
It's Craig Goldstein, Patrick Dubuke. I am hosting Cat's our
third show this week, and everyone is sick of podcasting
and just generally sick.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
You can't make us work this hard.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
No, this is too much. Not to you, Jeffrey, I
don't make anybody work three podcasts.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Two of us are sick. It's not honestly, all three
of us not feel.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, Patrick's got to keep going to baseball games, just
driving him nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
That's too much. They have three games row on consecutive days.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yes, they like imagine that.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Why did they do it? So?

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Do you have any banter other then they we're all sick. No,
I don't feel but I have a headache. But my
voice is okay. I guess relatively speaking.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
My banter is literally sectional on the podcast. So that's
that's where I am.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I don't I don't think I have anything. I do
think at the end of this postseason, we should talk
about Patrick, who isn't going to see any because he's
out all the games. But yeah, like the most annoying
commercials outside of the one Patrick already wrote about.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
I think that would be discussion.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
I don't even like God, I don't. I don't pay
attention to the commercials.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
I don't know. I don't think anything is like I do.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
But I lose it after about ten minutes. So if
I make a joke about it in the moment, then
I you know, like there's a lot of attention and
I get very upset for or five minutes and then
it's gone.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
I don't feel like there's her father as a district attorney.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
This, no, not maybe during the series.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Maybe I don't even know what Fox shows like all
reality TV, right, or like it's all a game shows,
the game show, it's all game shows.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Oh doctor, you're right? Yeah, Doc?

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, I have seen the Doc ads.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I don't. I don't understand how you get multiple seasons
out of that show. I mean, it's a doctor who
forgot how to be a doctor, but then it has
to be a doctor again.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
I like it turns out she was like a mean doctor.
I think it was just really I don't know. I'm
never watched that.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
It just makes me think a lot of the like
the the I don't know if it's one tweet, but
I see a lot obviously people uh use it a lot.
Was like this ship must hit so hard for stupid people,
like that's I like people I don't know, like, I mean, look,
I'm judging without seating maybe that I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
But there's so much you know, like yeah, five times
where people watch that in the pit?

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:09):
That was the other thing too, Yeah, all right, anyway,
used it used to be twenty and now it's yeah, yeah, uh,
what have we been watching? Our first topic my dinner
with Andrea's. So last time we spoke about playoff baseball,

(03:30):
Seattle had won the Bryce Miller versus Kevin Gosman start,
they won the Trade Savage start, and then Toronto. Remember
they have a good offense basically, Yeah, well, Andre Samanez
has once again become clean up hitter Andrea Samenez justin
Thenica time.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Although although you know, basically the eight and nine hitters
are just the cleanup spot for the Blue Jays in
the series.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
I do like that they haven't they all were Yeah.
Game four, they had him bunt in the in the.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah after theme the home run.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, we we've had what three games go by for
each series? Right, yes, because we had four four for
the well no, no.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
After game one we were okay to Yes, it was
on Sunday. I don't I know, you're the week is
a blurf.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, a lot Patrick's Patricks had to go to two
games in a row, and he feels like a beat
reporter who doesn't know what day it is, and it's
they're they're not even games he's traveling for.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
No, he's waking in a hotel, he's waking them in
his regular bed.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
I get him, But you have to go to a
trade travel That's I meant.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
I meant like on the road. But sure, sure, So, yeah,
you mentioned obviously they won the Brice Miller game. That
was surprising. We felt that this was obviously an advantage
for Seattle to win the Brice Miller versus vin Cosways.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well you still you still picked the Jays.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Well that's yeah. Look I'm I'm I will absolutly I
will both victory lap it, but I will also concede
that it's a bit sure. I believe I even said
I would pick Seattle, but I'm doing I'm committed to
this bit.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Part of it was the fact that was miller, but
part of it was the fact that the Mariners had
played five games and also like an extra half of
a six game, and it seemed like if the if
Toronto were going to have it, it felt like it
was going to be done. It was going to be
in the first two games.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Right and right. And the fact that it wasn't then,
and it wasn't you savage, I mean, look, it was
too nothing. We all thought, everyone watching this series thought
anything's possible. But this is a tough too, This is
a tough ask to go into Seattle, and you know,

(05:47):
for the next six games, including.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Against George George, Kirby looked great in game five, didn't
look great in games. He've had an even season, right,
There's been injuries there too. He's certainly capable of looking
like this young contender he's been, but he's also capable
of having starts like that. And it's it's a.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Tough combination, yeah, because he throws in the zone so
so much well Seattle well generally speaking, and Seattle loves
loves to swing.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, Toronto, Toronto is good at hitting in the zone.
Kirby is good at throwing in the zone. It turns
out that Kirby was not good at throwing in the zone.
Kirby Kirby, literally every pitch was either four four inches
off the black or four inches inside. Right. Well, I
love that Tyler. Now obviously different results there.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
It's been good at throwing in the zone and then
there's being good throwing in the zone.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
But it didn't matter because the Blue Jays hit both
the pitches in and outside the zione. Like That's the
thing about these last two games is that it the
Mariners barely mattered in these last two games. Toronto just
hit everything, and they hit it like it wasn't babbit.
It wasn't like there was some babbit, but like they
hit like like twelve balls over one hundred miles per

(07:08):
hour against on that game three start, Like everything was
just rocketing off the bat.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
You're like, And then the impressive part to me was
it felt like they were dead because Julio hit the
two run homer. Yeah, it's like forty degrees outside in Seattle,
like it's not it does not feel like a day
where the ball is going to carry, and it felt.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Like two runs might be.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Lily absolutely crushed one and then in the first inning,
and then there were zeros in a second. I'm not
going through everyone, but I'm just trying to say, like
it felt well down we get to the Dodgers, it
felt look well. I let Jeff Hols host for multiple reasons.
It felt like it was over right.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
And like Bieber is like the worst version of Kirby
where he's capable of having a good start, but he's
very very capable of having a star where he throws
three innings right like he did that against the Yankees,
didn't he? I think, like he did not go to four.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, I don't know if three and change, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
But heed enough and then it didn't really matter. So
they put up like about a five spot. They had
the one to put them ahead, and then the.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
One in the fourth, two in the fifth, four in
the sixth, just relentless. I mean like it was it
was Andres Himenez three hits. It was Ernie Clement to
Lad had four. He went four to five four. It
was very funny to watch.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
A lad uh not quite hit for the cycle, but
really think hard, Like Glad hit that double in the
seventh thing, and he started towards third and the ball
was already on its way in from the outfield, but
he still thought real hard.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
He's still the He's still the dude from the Winter
League like that. Yeah, the shimmy is pelvic thrust. I'm
gonna say at third base, you know that he's still
that dude.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
It is late.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
I think we talked about this a little bit in
the Yankee series too, and I like.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
It.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
I don't think we're sleeping upon lad Guerrera, right, Like,
but he's not Juan Soto. He's not like healthier Ronald
l Kunya, but we always see that. But man, when
he is locked in, yeah, like, there is just no
one who is more fun to watch swing a bat.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I actually think I think Flat is like properly rated.
I don't think he's over or underrated. But he goes through, Yeah,
these absolutely scalding stretches, and it is I'm sure not
for Patrick, but for a neutral observer, it's it's absolutely
wild to watch.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
But it definitely has the you've seen him be you
won't to be better because you've seen it be better,
and you just want it, like you just it's a
little six, is it. It's a little Bryce Harper Ishu.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
It's like there's some sodo here too, or if he
just lifted the ball a little bit more so airing
up it doesn't like pull it. But it's like that
kind of thing where he's like one, you know, he's like,
what a a slight batted ball distribution tweak from being
like prime Miguel Cabrera and it just ye has seasons
like that, but right but right now he's like he's

(10:33):
by Miguel Cabrera right now, And that's I guess all
that really matters, right I think I made the joke
to you or it's like it's like the Warrior me
and I've won, But at what cost? Mark Schapiro signing, Yeah, yeah,
well the cost is actually right there. It's on it's
on the contract. Batistically, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
So that game was thirteen to four eighteen hits, I mean,
just absolutely battered, and yet like like three.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Hours, like somehow that game didn't even like that game
should have been even longer than it was. And yet
the Marritors like.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
They scored very quick, like they just hitting early in
a batch, right well, and then a lot.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Of Maritors, like the Mirriors would be back in the
dugout within like four minutes, like it was amazing.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
And then once they got a lead, like they weren't
really there was just very always playing out the string
at that point right well.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
And it's also one of those games where I think,
especially for an offense that did nothing in the first
two games, right sometimes as a fan you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Like,
maybe don't put it all out there today, right like,
are you gonna have left tomorrow? Are you gonna have
any leftover for tomorrow? Which brings us to the next game.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
This was the Max Cherzer show for the first few
winnings at least. Yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
The first.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Uh yeah, four and four overall, like he he, the
command wasn't there. It didn't need to be because the
marriage were helping out a fair amount. He he. Basically,
I would describe Max's or performances that he had command
when he had two strikes and it.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Was very like it was very It's it's not the
same kind of picture, but it's like this version of it.
It was kind of like his old Pedro start. Yeah,
he's still a little more overpowering than old Peter, but
just stuff's just like the like the curves not quite
as sharp the sliders. The curve was disappeared.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, the change was what he didn't have, but but
I agree, it's not quite as sharp, but it is
what he had work, yes, and then yeah, but then
the other side of it was Castillo, who got two
in the third innings and.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Was pulled with the bases loaded and two runs already
enough of a two run home run by pronounces menace.
Uh that like Kirby, So Kirby pitched forever. Kirby is
somehow still pitching right now. In that game, even though
the game's over, Dan Wilson left him out there for

(13:05):
just he basically conceded the game at five to two. Yeah.
This in game four, he pulled the Stio after giving
up two runs with the bases loaded on essentially a
seven pitchwalk. So Jimenez's home run one seven pitchwalk and
three ground balls, all which were hits. But like, yeah, unlike,

(13:29):
you know, it was like sixty pitches or something. It was.
It was like it was a real rubber band effect
and it didn't work. Surprise. Every single reliever came in
and gave up runs, And like, I feel like this
has been the postseason for Dan Wilson is that when
whatever he does it is not working. It's like you

(13:51):
can you can criticize a manager when he's doing something
it doesn't work and he keeps doing it. But Dan
Wilson does the opposite the thing and it also doesn't work.
It's kind of incredible. So yeah, I don't I don't know.
It was it felt like bad managing, but it also
was the opposite of the other bad managing. So how
can you complain right right, except you know you should.

(14:15):
You know, still something wasn't done right, even if you
can't pinpoint exactly what it should have been.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
I mean, but you got to stop getting up on
runs Andre, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
That is that is part of all. It wasn't terrible,
Like it's like the first the first time running him
in his hit was truly a challenge pitch down the mile,
and this one was like it was also the seventh
pitch of a bat where he was the account was
full and he was trying to just like get one
in the zone. It was in the middle, but it
was down. It was yeah, it was down in the middle,
and it was a strike in the sense that he

(14:45):
had to throw strike. It was a pitch in the world.
It also right off the bat like it.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
I'm not saying no one thought it was a home
run off the bat, but like the outfielder didn't. It
was so low lying that you were like, oh, is
this all off the wall? Like what is this going to? It?
Didn't You weren't like, oh, he absolutely tanked that. It
was one hundred two miles per hour, which is hard,
absolutely enough to hit a home run.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
And also not like brushed. Yeah, every homer, I feel
like every home run in the series, it's a t
mobile has been to right field, which is where I'm sitting,
and so I've gotten no read on any of them.
So I basically just sit there wait for the crowd
to react. Actually not even of the crowd. I just
wait for the hitter to do a little celebratory motion
as they cross first. That's how I know if there's

(15:30):
something at home run then not the best way to
take any game.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
You know this. He brings in Gabe Spire, which is
all he does, and Wilson just the only move is
to bring in Gabe Spire, who walks in a run yes,
and then his facing and Ernie Clement, who is actually
quite good against lefties. But then he gets Clement and
gets out of it. He gets out of it, he

(15:56):
gets out of the inning, and then they brought him
back out.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah yeah, I mean you gotta filt six innings at that.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Point, six innings. But look like hasn't Gabe spied? Not
enough either you know, complimentary or derogatory, like one way
he's gone in the post right, And I don't mean
that how Ron Darling means post. We got to talk
to Ron Darling about using post for postseason not acceptable, but.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Also like inspired faced the Spider got four outs, Brash
cut four outs, and then after that, Vargas and Bizarrea
got one each, like every everybody's pitching multipointing in this
postseason for the for the Mariners, and it's because they
have four relievers. H And when you pull a guy
after two and a third and you have four relievers,
the math says, yeah, and that's even with accepting that

(16:52):
two of them are going to be Emerson Hancock just
willing everyone out of the building early.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
So two to two, ye head for the last game
in Seattle yet the Godsman Millery match. But who is
the advantage going forward?

Speaker 3 (17:12):
The door the Dodgers are going to sit here and
watch and rub their hands gleefully? Is they They sit
back with an iced glass, iced tea. Now, yeah, it
momentum doesn't exist. Also, dead bodies don't get back to life.
It's it's it's hard to it is a it is

(17:35):
a it's like almost a a a forcible act like
meditation to try and contemplate how the Mariners can come
back for this, like they just got beaten.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Mindfulness literally just did it.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
I know they just did it, but they but.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, but again the Jays, the Jays just came back from.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
This, right, and they go, Look, you can see the
Jays have Gosmeny a Savage lined up again. But they
lost the first two games of this.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Year, right and and and Kirby.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, it's just I get that these are even, these
are even teams. And you don't. I mean, it's look,
do I do I think the Jays have an advantage. Yes,
it's a best of three and Bryce Miller's pitching tonight.
Yet yes, I think the Jays have an advantage. I
don't think it's it's it's like over.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
I'm also sick, and I have just watched six of
some of the worst hours of baseball I think I've
ever seen.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Emerson Hancock wasn't even in for that many of them.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
I didn't watch that party get worse. Oh yeah, no,
it's it's I think the Blue Jays at the advantage
and I will leave it at that. Yeah, no, I
I do as well.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
But the reality is, even if they go down three two,
heading back to Toronto, you get Logan Gilbert and George Kirby,
and yes, George Kirby was bad against this lineup. Also
does this.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Sulbert will at least be rested, Like, yeah, so that's
a nice change of pace.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
So yeah, I don't think it's remotely.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
You know, it's not like your Savage looked great either.
Golfsman looked fine.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
To be honest, Savage, gotta like your Savage could have
easily gotten that at at first name with no runs too.
We got absolutely hosed on a ball strike call that
would have there have.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Been some interesting ball strike.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
I kind of wonder, like, like, you know, it's been
a tough series for cal Rawley, honestly, like hitting why,
he's been okay, but like defensively there have been quite
a few pass balls, and there have been quite a
few missed inside the zone framing jobs.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
They did not get a robbed of a Gold Glove nomination.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Fat I mean, they don't, you know, these games. It's
just it's just interesting. I think what it is is
that we don't talk enough about maybe the fact that
Cal Rawly has played one hundred and eighty six games
this year and maybe he's tired. He might it might
have borne him out too. You know, well, I think partly,
but I think that's fair.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
I also think again, I think some of this prior
five game series where the bullpen was leaned on heavily,
is coming home to roost in some capacities too, right,
Like we've seen Spire struggle Edward Bizardo, who we were
talking about how much he threw and was great. He
got you know, they got to him a little bit
last night. I think it's it's hard to do this

(20:37):
for what used to be eleven game I guess it
was eleven games for the Mariners, but you know, it
can be thirteen fourteen games now. It's hard to push
your bullpen like that. As the stuff, as the postseason expands,
you know, it just becomes I know, the off days
are there and they help, but the managers go to
them so fast these days. Unless you're Dave Roberts this

(21:02):
year that you know, it's it's hard and a lot
of these guys, the Mariners don't use their whole bullpen,
you know, it's the five guys that matter.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, the Dodgers only use Blake Trining, so correct. Thinking
of which our second topic, the artful Dodgers. Despite a
lot of Blake Trining in the monitors, they are up
three nothing most of you o. The starting pitching has
been frankly spectacular.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
The first two games especially, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
And the Glass pitched well, he just had like the
good Glass Now start basically, yeah, yeah, it was a
good very.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I offered this take on Glass now both in a
chat and then I screenshot the chat and put it
in on Blue Sky, and I got some pushback. But
I think Blake Snell is a better watch than Tybler
glass Now right now.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
So it's I was watching this game and like.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Glass Now does what Snow you said?

Speaker 1 (22:01):
It's like the difference is I feel like with glass Now,
like you watch him in like the second or third
inning and it's like, oh, he's like good Glass now
is so dominant, and then he's always out in the sixth,
like he just gets pulled in the sixth. They just
he's done well, he fought.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
He often has like a fall apart in sometimes it's
like the second inning, and then he's also still in
the sixth. You're like, how did he get there?

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Right? Right?

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Like great recovery. But he also like every pitch he missed.
It's a little like what Patrick was saying about Kirby,
where it's like every pitch he misses is just not
even close.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
I think the difference is that when he throws on
the zone, it's much more wicked and hard to hit. Oh,
I agree, get that. You get that to Grom level.
He can throw it down the middle. It doesn't matter
as opposed to Kirby. Where I Kirby. The whole point
of Kirby is that he needs to have that pitpoint
accuracy right.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Now, Kirby has command. Glass now does not, and Glass
now is just like hit it. They also like it
might have been the shadows, as they say it was
an afternoon game. There were a lot of like just
watched strikes. I wouldn't say down the middle, but in
the zone just fat in ninety seven. It's a good fastball.

(23:13):
I'm not trying to judge them, but ninety seven just
very much in the zone.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
This just happened. Like Missowski was getting a lot of likes.
He throws one a lot, but they're still like looking
a lot. Yeah, yeah, a lot of the strikes looking
with the fastball.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
But that's maybe my hot take. I did get some
pushback on it. I like Snell for the last even
honestly going back to his second half last year. No,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
But also like, here's the thing, I'm not going to
uh watch plays now. I'm not going to recreate the
experimental conditions here to check this. I'm not going to
watch enough of these two pictures too.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
No, so just I'll take your word for it, Craig Snell.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Here, here's my question to you, if you watch the
first two games, who was better between Yamamoto and Snow.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
I mean I think Snow was more dominant.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, I honestly I know it was eight In means
I would have left them.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Probably should have.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Like that was Yamamoto pitched, pitched very well, don't get
me wrong, but like it didn't feel like it felt
like more efficient. I mean, it's more efficient than Blake Snow,
so it's not saying much, but like, it just felt
more like the Brewers were making quick outs, which I
guess is a credit to Yamamoto too, But it didn't

(24:37):
feel as dominant, I guess.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah. I mean there's also that like the first pitch
he threw was hit for a home run. Yes, it
also yeah, it felt more like and that not this
can be dominant, obviously, but it felt it really felt
like a suffocation of molky. You know, after a certain point,
I think he retired the last fourteen batters. It was
interesting to me, and the reason I thought of this

(25:01):
was because Roberts did leave Yamamoto and perhaps because of
how the ninth went in Game one. He said he
never considered. Yes, it wasn't really, he said he never
considered taking him out, and I thought, you know, he
was up what ninety seven ish pitches I think to
start the ninth inning.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
So it wasn't he at the like one on nine,
like he didn't have a particularily difficult ninth.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
No, it wasn't. It wasn't anything crazy. It just I
was a little surprised, like it was never a consideration.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
You know, Yeah, you're surprised not to see Blake trying
up and throwing basically.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I'm I'm always surprised not to see as one hundred
eleven pitches eighty one strikes. Yeah, I mean it was
pretty nasty stuff outside of that, for which honestly wasn't
even a bad pitch.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Sure, now, I.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Don't know why you'd throw Jackson Surio a first pitch
basketball in the zone, but ah, he yeah, I mean
he he crushed it. Yeah, I mean the first game,
the first game was legitimately nerve wracking.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yes, it was very tense.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
This series has all the tension kind of taking out
of it at the moment. But that was a really
good game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
We talked about the previous like, well, you know, can
the Dodgers basically get to their bullpen with a big
enough lead and like they never really got the tack
on runs against Milwaukee and you know, but like it's
now pitching so well and you nothing, you figure you
head over to Sastaki, Okay, it's their one good reliever

(26:43):
and they just kind of did have it. Yeah, he
pitched a lot and that might be starting to catch
up with him a little bit.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
But it looks looks better in game three he did, yeah, certainly,
but you know he had thrown three Indians the prior time.
He got some time in between, but still he did.
He didn't have he was flying open. He walked, He
walked two guys, he allowed a hit. I still felt
better about him in there than you know, even even
the way he had a late walk to I don't

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remember he it was maybe Yelich. He threw some nasty splitters, right,
They were good splitters. They were intended to be out
of the zone. They were out of the zone, and
Yellis did a great job laying off them. Yeah, right,
like that, It didn't feel like a walk of wildness
necessarily to me. Now, he didn't have great control, but

(27:34):
it wasn't like it was all bad pitches. But his
velocity was down. I do not know why Blake Trinon
was the call. I don't know how he got out
of it. Honestly, he walked. He walked with William Contreras,
and then he got Bryce Terrang did him huge favors.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
I guess I would say he.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
I know a lot of people were like, you gotta
just stand in there, and take that ball.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
It's that moves so much like it's hard to.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
And also you can't like that's just your instinct. I'm sorry,
unless you're branding Gyer.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, whose instinct? He you know, Either you spend your
entire life training yourself to not get hit by that picture.
You spend your entire.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Life, whatever Craig might say about him, is sticking a
knee in there.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Though, Okay, you're right, there are guys, right, there are
specific but like, I don't fault someone who's not one
of those psychopaths.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, that's what it's late too, Like you can't really recognize, like, oh,
this is going to hit me.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Well he did recognize it.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
He moved, Oh yeah, well yeah, well you know this
is going to hit me. I should have let it
hit me.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Also, like I understand that it's like, oh, it's a slider,
it's not a fastball, it's eighty five and the knee
it's not fun.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
He then promptly swung it a pitch like.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
He swung at well above.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
This's the problem.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, that is the problem.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
I mean, I believe I said when trying and looked
somewhat good in the Seattle series to end, the season.
I said, if guys are going to swing at ninety
five a foot above the zone, he'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
I thought he looked fine in Game three when they brought.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Up he actually he looked. I wouldn't say he had
like control, but the slider, the sweeper looked yeah, it
had bite, which it had not.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Now, like the and the big thing, I don't know
how much we want to get into it because it
does this. This does feel over. Yeah. I had the
postgame show on just I had left it on right,
and Derek Jeter was talking and he says, like you
never want to say it was over, and then he
looks at Poppy and says, like, you guys obviously came back,

(29:42):
and Poppy goes, it's okay, I'll say it for you.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Well, I mean by Petriello. I think posted this this morning.
They have the lowest batting average on baltim play of
any Championship Series team in history.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (29:58):
I mean like had a.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
I mean they've been striking out too, but it's it's
very hard to.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Play, including bouncing the throw Max Mounsey, the chances in
Game three. The other thing is I said this in
my preview for Game four. But I think if you
had told the Brewers you allowed ten runs over these
first three games, they would have thought they'd have at
least one win and maybe two.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, because again we said they can win five to three.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, but and the Dodgers haven't scored more than five.
They've scored two, five and three. Yeah, it's not this
is has not been it's three. Oh, I mean this
is again it's a little like the Phillies series where
they won three to one, but like it wasn't as
dominant as it seems it does.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
But it also feels like they've kind of the they've
been suffocating them out of these games. Like it doesn't
feel I mean, they made it that close in the
first game, but it doesn't feel Yeah, they haven't felt
like particularly.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
They've gotten those those insurance runs on kind of weird plays, right,
like your Reba just threw it away. Ye, I'm forgetting
what it was in the first game when they scored,
but there was a there was a home. It was
a basis load of walk, so like that's not a
weird way, but it was the top of the ninth

(31:23):
basis loaded walk and it immediately mattered yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I mean I just feels like it's like the Brewers
have kind of obviously the chee quenching stuff is killing them,
but hit their shielding with the pitching too. Like I
sent you the the tweet about just every game.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, yeah, you don't don't let us swing game four
because then we got Ashby game five and Ashby six.
We're going to Ashby in game seven.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I think this goes back to they played a five
game series and they've used their bullpen a lot, and
they needed to.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
And they have like one and a half starters as it.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Is exactly That's what I'm saying, they needed to. I
you know, I said this before the game, like obviously
most people are going to root for Milwaukee. Here they are.
They are David to Goliath. Despite the regular season.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
I made for Milwaukee just to avoid a lockout.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Apparently, now the Dodgers, Yeah, we can talk.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
We'll get into that.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, you know, the Dodgers have just been doing this
and they're annoying. They just won last year. It's like
I got tired, like I got tired of every single
New England team.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, I got rather repeat champions in twenty five years.
It's not like.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Sure, but I'm just saying no, but the but the
Dodgers have won the Division twelve of thirteen years or
what like, I'm I'm completely understanding that, like somebody anybody else, right,
Like that's as and and Milwaukee is fun in a
lot of ways.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Right.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
But I said this before the series, which was like
everyone I kind of did the milkshaked up riff where
like everyone's gonna be like, oh, this seems annoying actually
a little bit, like it not enough to make you
root for the Dodgers, Yeah, certainly, but like, oh, you're
just like you're gonna start Aaron Ashby every game.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Like everybody like likes to watch Jose. Everybody likes the
idea of the Brewers, but they don't have to watch
him every day, right, Like it's like that exists like
this until they hit I have a babe of one
twenty three because they can't extra base hits honestly.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Also, Maximunsey did the play lay throw home was but
between the wheel play and Philly Yeah, where he put
a perfect throw to somebody who was not yet there,
and then this play where he never stopped like he
he it was and spun and then immediately threw home

(33:50):
without stopping, and it was directly on.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
The money, right, it had to be, it had to
be on that side of the bag, or yes, he's
gonna slide in right, that's row has.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Absolutely Yeah, it was. Again we saw Trey Turner through
to the wrong side of the plate and it allowed
to ask her to score. I think that would have
been the same situation here.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
It was.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
And again when you're getting you.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Know, watching play live in real time and I'm like, wow,
that's that was Max Monsey.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
You know, you said about you know, Mookie's play, which
was legitimately impressed. You were like, just give I guess
he you know, give him the gold glove.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
But it was a very nice he was very.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
So, yeah, he's very good. What I would say about
MOOKI is from everything except the throws, I think he's deserving.
Freddie Freeman has bailed him out of so many throws.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
And that was fine. That was a long hop and everything.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
That one was fine. That one was fine, But just
in general he has been Freddy has scooped so many
questionable throat not even awful, but just like questionable throws.
But if you're getting that type of defense from Mooki
and Max Munsey. Yeah, I guess is going to be
right if you're the opponent, so we don't have to

(35:03):
say who has the advantage. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
I code it like we we I put up the preview.
You wrote the preview for today.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
And one percent, yes, I had I put reed it
is one point six percent.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
For game four to right pitching right, like they just
keep rolling guys out.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
It's showing and then you're getting Blakes now on the
five if you manage it right, and then you're getting
if you manage that, you're getting now Amoto on five
days rest, and then.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
It's like everybody will be nice semester for it is
it is again.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Lit right like, and you just keep rolling Aaron Ashby
out there.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, I do. I just think they've pushed there.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, like they need a brand. They needed Brandon Woodrope
to be.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
Would at this point, like, yeah, it is a shame
that that's they had nine pitchers at one point and
now they have one and a half and I you
know this a full health and and by the way,
but they're not going to have Jackson Surio probably.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
In all probably Yeah, we don't know. I guess, but
it looks like he did his hamstring.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, he hopped off the field after, so I'm assuming
that's not you know, he's not going to be able
to play.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
It's it's very funny that a year after winning the
World Series with basically no starters.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
So we're doing it the other one.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Well, it's not even that they've they faced the Phillies
were down Zach Wheler, Right, they face They would have
faced you, the Cubs down Kate Horton, or the Brewers
down Brand among other arts. Right, I guess whoever they
play in the I mean, I guess they get the
Marror like Brian wu Is apparently get. They'll get a
fairly healthy.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Well I thought he was starting. He's not starting Game five.
He will probably pitch the middle innings of game I'm
guessing Miller will get ten or twelve batters, and then
we will get ten or twelve batters, and then you
subspire and then we'll see if we'll see if it's
seventh or the fifth at that point, can Aaron Ashby
show up in this game? Just traveling around?

Speaker 1 (37:09):
So bad news everyone. If the Dodgers win this, we're
gonna basically lose a season to a lockout or something. Yeah, Gonet,
so I didn't.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
I'll be I'll be frank with you. I did not.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
I decided not to.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
My my contention is that Tampa Bay Rays could have
won every World Series for the last decade and we
still have the lockout next year because it's not really
about competitive balance.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Well, the lockout is happening regard, but Menfred is excited
about your I think the the idea that the Dodgers'
wealth is is empowering them to win championships is irrefutable. Sure,
it absolutely is Milwaukee. If Milwaukee won this series and

(37:58):
the World Series or not, yeah, everyone every owner would
just say, we don't need to spend like the Dodgers.
And if the results of either Milwaukee winning or the
Dodgers winning is the owners find a way not to spend,
then this series doesn't actually have any impact on that option,

(38:19):
you know, on their approach.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
The other thing, too, is like.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
The Also, by the way, if you were if you're
a baseball owner and at this point are hinging a
decision on a seven game series.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Something or you're just assuming everybody else's right, cover it is.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
That you need you need some it's insulting cover. They're
all insulting covers because, like we get, they're not going
to open the bucks. Nobody's owning the books here, so
they're just going that they are literally going.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
To lie to you.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
They're gonna lie because it's uh lie to them if
it works.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
And the way, the way, the playbook for this is
that you lie so often that people eventually go, well,
they can't lie that many times, And the answer is yes,
they can just keep doing it and they will have
the nine of the channels with which to lie to you.
Right then they will have better and more powerful forms
of communication.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Shout this is this is getting a little real.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Patrick.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
It didn't work as well the last CBA negotiation. I
think they thought it would. So I think that playbook
it started, so I get the idea that the Dodgers
went to in a row you might be able to
sell people a little more on it because dogs.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
I think you'll sell people because they're unhappy, not because
it because it feels truer.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Right, But it's a it's a little they're spending is
like vulgar right in a way that if the you know,
the Cubs, then like cover into the luxury tax. Right,
the Phillies spend a ton of money.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
The Cubs. The cubs spending is vulgar in another capacity.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah, sure, but again, the Mets had done this after
signing one Soto's trying to do that. They did, they did,
It didn't work.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
It doesn't always are sitting there is the refutation for
all of this.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, and I get it, but we've again, we've seen
the Dodgers do this for years and not win, right,
and go out in the divisional Series to the Padres
or whatever, to the Nationals or to the Braves or
to whomever. So it's just you know, it's it's just
weird timing, right, they win these these Like again, did Jay.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I might have it around. I'm looking at our twenty
twenty five cups. They appear to be twelve million.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Under the luxury Okay, well right here, I think they
reset this year.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Okay, did they?

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (40:40):
I'm just I decided to look because yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
But they have like Ian, it's the top five or
six payroll in baseball.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
It's not like yeah, no, no, it's it's two hundred.
It's it's two hundred and twenty eight million dollars.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
It's four times what any of these small market owners
want to be spending that's right on their team in
terms of payroll. So like again, we're just gonna do this,
and it's like, look it's again, it's all it's not
even pr it's a you know, it's it's propaganda essentially, right,

(41:12):
It's you know, if if only you lean on a
salary cap, your favorite team from small town USA can
be more competitive. But the thing is, the Dodgers are
still gonna take your lunch money on everything else. Yea,
because that's why I.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Said, I've said this before. But you're also gonna see
guys you're gonna and look, it just comes. We say
this all the time. It's a wealth transfer from players
to owners. You're going to see guys who want to
win take less and go to the Dodgers, and they'll say,
I can make it up in marketing money. Right, because
it's Los Angeles, and because they're always on TV, they're
on national TV, I can raise my profile.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
If you're eventually that's.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Going to be true of New York, that's gonna be
true of LA that's gonna be true of Chicago. It's
it's going to to continue to not be true of
Milwaukee or somewhere else. And I'm not saying that's fair.
I'm saying you're never removing that advantage.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Can't how if you somehow like get a cap on that,
like it's going to affect most of the top end
of salaries. Right, So if you've got if this means
that Kyle Tucker gets two hundred and fifty million instead
of three hundred and fifty million, the Marlins are still
not giving him that money. They are signing Harrison Bader
for three and forty five to get to the floor
for next season. Right, that is what is going to happen.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, I just don't I'm I'm it was a disappoint
I didn't even read it, and yet for me disappointing
to even book.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
He's being framed that way to this by people and
he is reporting it. I guess that's I understand his job,
but I'm not. I'm not trying to being he's being Look.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
He's paid by ESPN to publish these pieces.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
I understand.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
I mean, like this is it's like, well, you want
to know the opinions of the people that are driving this, right,
Like that's is worthy. But also I feel like we
need a like push back a little bit.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Well, it's just I don't think we have to accept
their framing.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
You can say they're saying this and why and here's why.
You don't need to actually accept that. That's fine, and
I think it's fine to do that with the play.
The PA to the PA will come out with stuff
that is not you know, that is certainly biased in
their favor or slanted and say like that there's truth
to it. But there's this angle and you can say, like,
here's why, here's here's the extent to which this holds

(43:28):
up and the extent to which it doesn't. Right, But
the idea that a seven game series between Milwaukee and
the Dodgers UH influences this is the extent to which
that holds up.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Is the Dodgers has the Dodgers. Who's in five in
the World Series or whatever?

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Right, Like, if huge a huge win for for mid
market teams, I.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Guess I don't know if you put your like cart
and you put all your eggs in your basket on
this one thing. Again, I don't think he's actually gonna
change the outcomes here at all.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
All.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Right, let's take a break. We'll come back and cover
the scant there's some news.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, I'm got to do the rest of the show.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Welcome back to episode five oh one of five and
dive our third topic. You can call me Albert. A
lot of people are calling Albert Albert Poohole. Set is
for managerial interviews. He has interviewed with the Angels, which
we've known for a while, but the Orioles apparently have
also interviewed Albert Poohles. Obviously, there's not a long track

(44:54):
record of players this good. I mean image like Frank
Robinson and Ted Williams. I don't know what the question is,
is Albert Pool is a good manager? Why does Albert Pool.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Possibly?

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yea, he seems he seems to legitimately like it. He
went and managed in the Winter leagues successfully, I believe, uh,
you know, just like not even related it right, like
that was.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Well.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Rolina is also like leaving the team to go manage
his basketball team, So I don't know what's happening with.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
He has said recently that he's ready for a major
league in coaching slash managerial job, so we'll see how
that got here. Yeah, okay, I'm also there's certainly for
his Look, I think it's if we're going to hire
these like fresh out of the yolosed retired for a

(45:50):
few years now, but like very recently retired players. It's
nice that it's just not a white catcher again, I guess, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
No offense to seem they're very good at what he's done,
to be clear, but it's definitely going to be Austin Hedges. Yes,
not that we can save that for around the horn.
But did he re sign?

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Yes? He is the he is the one player who
has signed a contract.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yes. Yeah, Look, obviously it's very hard to have, you know,
any insight into this. I agree there's something weird about
someone with this level of accomplishment.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
And fame money he doesn't like he doesn't have to, No,
I think he likes you know, it would just be
like very I don't think he's going to get hired
by the Orioles, which should be very weird to see
overtpool Hoolish managing the Baltimore Orioles. I agree, it's like
a very just very odd. Can you imagine him in
the in the City series?

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Is it more or less than weird than Ryan Sandberg
managing the team? He played eight games four.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Yeah. Also, like Mark maguire was a hitting coach for
a while, Like that was I think, and I think
that was weird.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
The bench coach for the Pottery is the you know,
a team that he had so much history with.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
He was a hitting coach for the Dodgers. Yeah, Turner
Ward in a brawl, it's it was all I like,
it's I don't know, it's at the same time.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
And they didn't wear the uniforms.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah, well, but it's also it's it's I obviously don't
feel the same. He doesn't have the same.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Level of cachet as as Albert Poole's.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
But like I have grown, I guess accustomed to Mark
Pryor is just the pitching coach for the Dodgers. They
cut to him. He's he comes out during every pinch
hit appearance and he cut to him, and it's like,
oh right, Mark Prior.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
I feel that way about Daniel Moscow's being the Marlins
pitching coat.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Well, yeah, I love a little different.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah, but again, like the just be like pool like
McGuire was a great, great famous obviously a great great player.
Pools was like one of the twenty best players in
baseball history. Like it's like a different level.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Of it's different. I don't I think I honestly, I'm
I'm maybe I'm just really tired. Yeah, but like someone
should hire him.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
I want to say, Yeah, seems reasonable that he's doing
two I think, yeah, there's there are probably the angels
that we have room.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah yeah, yeah, uh sort, I know you're you're running
the show. But next on the on the dock he
here is did we talk about shell you you did
a breaking news.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
I believe, yeah, storying the Yes.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Uh, there's been some comments.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah, there's been more that's come out since then. Afarently
he was like, you know, getting in altercations with staff,
which is I missed that.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Yeah, yeah, I saw the thing of like I'm just tired, dude.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
That was that, and like the day later you got
the team side of it. Basically it was like, oh,
he was having an altercation.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
He's not the only one who was tired.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah, with Prowlers specifically, or no, I think it was coaches,
probably players too.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Interesting, but Preller himself only has a year left on
his contract and it's unclear if he's going to be Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
They said that repeatedly in the athletic piece.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
I think, like, yeah, so the Padres are a bit
of a mess.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
It feels like Preler has been a year away no
matter how every regardless of his contract, it's always one
year away. Next year he'll be a year away.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
I mean again, you have the ownership transition occurring as well.
I don't know if they want to sell. I don't
know if they want to I don't know what the
Padres are gonna do. Yeah, but they're not gonna Mike Schultz.
They're interested in Ryan Flaerty because everyone's interested in Ryan Flerty.
Ryan Flerty feels like he's played for all of these teams.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Right yeah, Ryan Flarity feels like I don't even know
if it actually is the real Ryan Flaerty. I think
if you were going to try and fake your way
into getting the manager job, you just be like, yeah,
I'm Ryan Clarity, and everyone'll be like, oh, yeah, sure,
I remember.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
You, like it's working for Like Nick Punto is up
for the Twins job.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
And if you've listened to the All Games episode, I
just I think I willed that into existence and just
kept saying Nick Punto.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Again, like the white middle and fielder bench coach is also,
I don't think to put those actually a bench coach
clarity is, but like that's you know, it's another popular
managerial genre.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
So yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
With this shilt thing, I'm not trying to finish show
preference for one side over the other in terms of
the dueling articles. I guess on this kind of stuff,
But like, is do you think there's that all a
a Boston style, Like, I mean, he's out, so now
we're burying him.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Happened in Saint Louis too, so maybe it happens two
places that Yeah, no, fair, Look, he might legitimately be tired.
He's tired of having conflicts with his coaches.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
He said he was sick a lot.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, I don't know. I just thought there was a
line I was trying to find, but he just said,
like I'm just tired, dude, and a fifty seven year
old man saying dude tour. Oh, he said, I'm just
tired and I want to go home, dude.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Fair enough. I think the padres are also okay with
him going home.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
So maybe maybe he just kind of absorbed the southern California.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Yeah, yeah, no, I just it was just fun, like
Mike Show it's just especially Mike Show.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Just did Mike Show only fifty seven. He feels like he.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Should be just like, yeah, he would argue, he feels worse.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, now's time to briefly go around
the horn from John Haymon. So for reasons that would
come obvious in a moment, it isn't reported that the
Tigers and Trek Schoogle are two hundred and fifty million
dollars apart.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Wow, I had not seen that.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, supposely they offered him I don't know what the
current they offered him less than Crochet essentially, I think
that was before the season. But still okay, well, okay,
he wants Scuoba wants over four hundred million, which I
think we probably could have figured out.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Obviously the Crochet your one looks phenomenal. Sure there were
there were I don't know, I don't remember specifically what
we said about it on this podcast, but like there's
a lot of arguments that deal was insane.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yes, at the time it was.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, at the time it was sign like.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
I mean, Scooba was also that's just the starter, but yes.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
You have to pay for what might be. But also
like based on what was it was insane? Yeah, yeah,
I'm not saying it was wrong, right, Sometimes you gotta
be crazy.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, but I think you would have assumed that his
ask to extend based around like the rumors the trade
deadline that you want trade was going to be like
one hundred and twenty million instead of one hundred and
eighty million. Right, and again, what's sixty million to down
White Sports Group?

Speaker 3 (53:03):
But just get it done?

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Right?

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Get done? And I don't think the Tigers are going
to get downe with school.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
So and this is this is the last year?

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yeah right, yeah, it's think are they gonna trade him?

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I can already see him in a Yankees at. I'm
gonna be honest.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Yeah, yeah, this is Garrett Cole too.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yeah, I can picture it.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah, I mean it's it Garrett Cole too or one
Soto too. I guess.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Oh no, I meant well, I meant as a free agent.
But I don't know, do you think they if they
they have to just let it play out, right, I
I don't.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Like, I'm not ready to think about to Troy's twenty
twenty six yet, but I just don't. I can't imagine them.
I can't think they were in first place for so long.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah, and so.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
But they're.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Like, I get Look, he's gonna be thirty. That contract
is going to be a landline. Sure, he's had flexure
attendant surgery already as Tommy John is eight years out
now his first one.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah yeah, I mean also.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Like matter if they have they have a young core.
They have no money outside of Bayaz and Flarity.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Flarity is not that much.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
But yeah, no, it's uh, it's it's I mean he
also like that they'll want to extend Green at some point,
but like otherwise do they I mean they should, but
they should, but that's not even going to do that much.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
No, it's not gonna be that much. Yeah, they don't.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
They have plenty of room.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
They have a very good farm system still, especially they've
oppera level help coming.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
But they're also the team. They're they're that level of
team where if they signed Google and he it doesn't
work for a few years, that is damaging them. They
can't absorb it like the good right.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
The other problem I guess is because it's only one year,
it might be a particularly cheap year. Like he didn't
get a ton in r last year because he missed
a lot of time before the cy Young season come
out back to back, So it's gonna be one year,
twenty million or something. Yeah, Like teams are going to
put that into a model figure. He's not gonna you
may not get an extension window. It's boris right, and

(55:21):
they're gonna spit out something like the Francisco indoor trade.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
So I mean, who if you want to play that out,
like who's who?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yankees, Mets, Dodgers can always be a consideration here too.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Dodgers have the pieces I see.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
I think they're gonna want pitching back, which fits Mets.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
But oh you know, I think River Ryan headliner Jeff.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
I.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
There are Dodgers stands constructing a River Ryan Landonnack deal.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
As if Ryan older than Trek School.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
It might be.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
I think he's twenty seven, he's but it's for certain
you think he's got to be twenty five or twenty six.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Ryan. I think he's twenty seven. Maybe it's maybe it's
uh hurt, Oh you mean not older?

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think he is twenty seven. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
I mean the thing about the Tigers is the payroll
is laugh right, including what Cotts has projected for Scooble
and Arb, which is twenty zero point one five million,
sure and including a lot of arb down under ten

(56:31):
million dollars. Yeah, under six million dollars. Even uh, they
are at a competitive balance payroll of one thirty three
and that's with that's one thirty three and that's seventeen
and a half million for clarity, of which they're actually
only paying out ten in cash. Right because of the
way they structured his deal. I mean, they have gobs

(56:56):
and gobs.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
You got to you got to bite the bullet here
and give them.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
You just have to. Especially so you're saying, so, what's
some Mets is because obviously you what's a Mets deal?
Look like?

Speaker 1 (57:12):
I think they probably want to keep McLean at all comms.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Well, I'm gonna say, are you getting McLean?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
I doubt it.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
I doubt in one year you might get Bene okay,
make a Bene benj on the road and then yeah,
you know, maybe you like, I don't know what they're
gonna like from further down in the system, Will Watson,
Jonathan Santucci, guys like that. But I don't think you're
getting You're gonna get one big prospect at the top
of it. I don't think you're getting like two top

(57:37):
fifty guys because it's one year of control.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Yeah, I mean again, this is that you go back
to soda, right, this is this is in a lot
of ways soda.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
And Soda is a little different because of what they targeted.
Closer to the majors guys for the most part too,
for sure reasons. And it worked out fine. But like
I think the Tigers will to an extent as well,
given where their window is. But like, I don't think
they're gonna.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Go after.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Dax Kilby from the Yankees. It might be a better
prospect than somebody else they target there guys for the
Alma Rodriguez, Cruz, Carlos Lagrange, Lombard, they're on double A.
They're gonna want They're gonna want the middle, not Catcher.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
I know, Choo.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
It's one year of Terrek Schooble. It's the thing that's
the way I look at this. But I know, I know,
But I think that's why it's tough for Detroit to
sell it right.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
But I think they do it wrong. I think at
that point you have to just take the year and
try and win the division. You can go win this division.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yep, I agree on them. They're going to but I agree.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah, as we mentioned Austin Hedges, Yeah, yes, signed. I
think most notable about this is that like did he
get a did he get a bump? It looks like
everyone's gonna get a bump.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
That's one in four point five one three.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
And a half million.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Contract for the backup catcher is now one and four.
It's like the qualifying offer going up a little bit
every single year.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Get your cola. Yeah, here's your cost of living adjustment
for Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Yeah, they can handle tariffs now.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Yeah, it's less funny than the Luke Mayley one. It
is like it's always funny that the one backup catcher
is like, we need to get this guy.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
The funny thing is like they're gonna I can see
it already, Like Cooper Ingle is gonna be ready in
another year or whatever, and they're just gonna ship out
Bonail or bring in Cooper Ngle and just keep off
the backup.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
You gotta have that extra coaches. You gotta have that
extra coach on the roster.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
He is gonna slide right into being both bench coach
as soon as he retires.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
I feel like Oh yeah, Oh, I think he's a
team Padris.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Yeah, that's good. It's a good Yeah, that's a good shout.
It's a good shout.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Give him two more years so burn through another yeah, manager,
and he'll be ready.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
And other news, somebody probably not coming back to their
same team. Nic Cassianos will be traded or released in
this offseason.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Apparently that was from one more likely than the other.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Yes, there's been, he's been falling out there with him
and Thompson. They don't really have a spot.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
For him, well because he can't play a spot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Yeah, well, yes, and he's been I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Mean you said of falling out, but he's been vocal
in his public mistreated, basically platooned the proper treatment.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Yes, it's difficult. I get why you have to try
and explain why you've been one of the worst players
in baseball. But it's also extremely difficult to be one
of the worst players in baseball and complain right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
On this contract.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
It's one of those tricks you gotta really, it's it's
a fine line.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Honest. By the way, if you look at Cots under
his agent self represented, Yeah, yeah, we're doing pro se agency. Yep.
He has twenty million on the books?

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Do you think do you think Nick Castianos calls Nick
Castianos like, this is your agent? I want you to
keep doing that shit?

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Yes barely? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
What yeah? I mean, like you said one more likely
than the other. He's got twenty million on the books.
It doesn't There's no way you're getting anyone back, right,
I mean, like, is it essentially for a Philly? Like
if we eat nineteen million? Will you carry him for
a million?

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Would he be better than an upgrade over the Royals outfield?

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I am immediately thinking of the Royals. Absolutely, I think
he would be.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Yeah, I might not be. It's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
You also have to play him in that outfield, yeah, yeah,
like you absolutely cannot carry it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
See Friends with Aaron.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Judge Judge it just like I guess would it be
worth someone worth it to some team to carry him
for maybe maybe? And Philly would be like fine, well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Yeah maybe even maybe like four or five They might
pay you think.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
He was he was? Literally the pirates?

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Can we get the pirates in on this?

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
It might be nineteen for the pirates.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
It might be nineteen for the pirates. I mean, I
guess you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Run into the if you're going to release him anyway,
like you can just pick him up on the minimum.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Right, Yeah, well I guess you're saving what I mean
at that point, what's the minimum?

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Do you?

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
But do you pay to jump the line on Nick Castle? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
I don't know. I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Somebody might.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
But like for the Pirates, it's like, oh, it's kind
of a name, right, It's like it's like, are we
just signed Tommy Fam.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
This isn't even like a Gold Club finalist Tommy Fam.
This isn't even a really yes, I don't know. This
is an unlike it doesn't work, but it might be
fun to fix this like doesn't work and will just
like repeatedly shock you if you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
It doesn't work fun. It looks like we're trying to
fix something.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Yeah, yes, right yeah, this is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
This is closing the door and making it on the
does it work?

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Not really?

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Plug it in as is the Big Castle.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
You can plug it in.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
I'm not gonna plug it in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
You plug it in, all right, it's time for all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Right, that's good for you. Uh So this game was
meant to be part of the five hundred. I think
they got sent in like an hour free finished recording.
I will just play it for you too. What's called
this is called the five hundred club? Uh, what you're
gonna do. I'm gonna give you a list of three
players and you have to tell me. And we're not
gonna boost. I think we're just gonna go yes, no,

(01:03:49):
and yes yes. I don't think there's any advantage to
going second this one. You tell me if these this
trio of players has accumulated at least five hundred of
the statistic listed. Okay, so in this first one, it's
career home runs Joe DiMaggio, Vince DiMaggio, and Dom Damasio.
Did they combine for at least five hundred?

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Do you have the answers in front of you?

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Patrick?

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
I do? Oh, okay, I was gonna say you could
play this game if you didn't reveew.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
I don't feel I'm sick.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I don't feel like playing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
Oh, how nice for you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Joe hit like three hundred seventy eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
So you say there's no advantage to going second, but
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Sh he's giving it to.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
You, he's giving it to me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
And I feel like I feel like Dom played as
long and he played a little bit right, I'm gonna
go over.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Okay, yeah, fine, I'll go over. Sure, right, good?

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Uh, you are correct. It's five hundred and seventy three,
three hundred and sixty one, one hundred and twenty five
for Vince. I didn't realize Vince got that far eight
domb at eighty seven. I thought, you know, at least okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
I know Dom he wasn't a great hitter, right, right,
but he played forever because he was a good defensive
center fielder, and like that park is fairly whatever. I
don't know. Number two careers.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Career home runs flad Ronald Acuna and Fernando Tattists junior.
Do they combined for five hundred career home runs?

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Wow, had to be around three hundred, right, I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Think it's Vie junior senior.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Jeh Ju junior, Acuna junior, Tattis junior.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
I'm gonna go under.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Yeah, it's gotta be under. They have to average one
sixty each, and like is a powerhader hasn't played enough?

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
So the answer is over. Guarrera one eighty three, eighty six,
Tattoos one fifty two to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
The average one. Yeah, I would not have get I
would Yeah, I know you had the one big season,
but exactly number three he played a.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Career wins five or more, Okay, Rollig, Fingers, Rich Gossage
and Dennis Eckersley.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Eckersley has like one hundred and eighty because he started forever.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
I can't imagine career relievers.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Could I can't imagine Gossage and Fingers. Fingers start a
little bit at the beginning of his career. Remember if
he did or not and they played for I mean
like they both played forever, and they did a lot
of multi.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Passage, got a lot of fireman, a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
So if they're like a little over one hundred each,
I get I'm still gonna go under.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Okay, Craig a finger started like he was a.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Swingman for the longest swing manner a year.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Okay, thirty seven career starts.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
I want to be different from Jeff, but I agree
with him. I think he's right. I'm'm gonna go under.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
All right, The enders correct in this case, so good
good job dressing your instincts.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Uh, it is all right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Pull it up. One hundred and fourteen for Fingers, one
hundred and twenty four for Gossage, one hundred and ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Franks, I would have yes, twenty, that's question than I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Next one career losses for Kershaw, Schuerzer, and Verlander.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Mm hmm, oh, Craig goes first on.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
I know Kershaw, Kershaw doesn't. I thought Kershaw didn't have
that many losses. I thought I saw that reason five hundred. No,
I I'm I'm gonna go a lot. It's a lot

(01:07:37):
of years.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Berlander certainly helped the case here this year.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
He's doing his part.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Yeah, but again, one hundred and sixty on average. Right,
you're saying, I think Kershaw has like one hundred and
one or something like that. One hundred. It's low. I'm
gonna go I'm gonn and go under.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
I'm gonna go under too. I'm pretty sure Kushel, I
don't know. I Kershaw was one hundred losses. I think
he might be underrect.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
They're both correct. Kershaw has ninety six losses.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Yeah, I thought I looked at that seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
For Serves, one hundred and fifty eight for Yeah, but
I saw that reason. I'm gonna butcher it. But it
was something like he's had more scoreless outings in his
career than losses like k for Kershaw it is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Yeah, that's impressive, all right. Next one career reference war Babe, Ruth,
Walter Johnson and Saionjeez, did they add up to five
hundred war?

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
This is gonna be close.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
I have no idea, Like, I don't know. I I
don't know what any of their wars are. I know
they're hot, obviously.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
I don't think anybody has two hundred. Maybe Bonds does.
I don't think anybody has two hundred. But these are
definitely like three of the top five guys. I'm gonna
go over.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
I'll go under. I'll go under.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
We've been doing the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
I'll go under, all right, Jeff takes the thanks to Nimity.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
No, but it's also like it's not MAGNEMTD. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
I didn't right, Like I had no idea. Bund's actually
only at one sixty two. I think that Ruth is
at least it was like eight. Is any Ruth is
one eighty two? Uh, Johnson's one sixty seven and Simon's
won sixty three. Okay, all right? Number six twenty twenty

(01:09:29):
five strikeouts? Hey, this Lozardo Christopher Sanchez and Rangers four
is did they get to one hundred and sixty five each?

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Like, I don't think so. I don't well, I mean,
Lozardo strikes out a lot because of the inn but
the Innians this is going to be close, because then
I could see them getting one hundreds. Yeah, but Suarez
was hurt a little bit. I'm gonna go under I

(01:10:05):
don't feel good about it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Sanchez through two hundred innings this year, and I know
he's not a huge strikeout guy, but I feel like
he's around one inning. Yeah, I'm gonna go.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Over you should go over it. Yeah, Jeff gets the point.
It is, uh, finally or seventy nine combined to sixteen
from Lozardo to twelve for Sanchez one fifty one for Sares.
I did not know that even Yeah, uh strikeouts in
two twenty twenty five James Wood C J Abrams and
Robert Hassel the third.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Man, Well, I don't two hundred and twenty Yeah, Abrams
did play the whole year.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Hassle.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
I guess hassle. Hassle is gonna have something like five
hundred plate appearances somehow, and I'm I'm not going to
understand how or why that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
I am.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
You know, I don't feel super confident either way. I'm
going to go under.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Oh really, okay, I'll go over.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Uh well, Jeff gets the again, but that's because Robert
Hassel only got two utter plate appearances.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Okay, that's about right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
So yeah, the totals two d one for Wood, one
hundred and twenty five for Aprams not that many, and
uh that many, hundred twenty five it's sixty two for
a hassle, all right, two thousand and five hits show Hey,
Otani is a batter, Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman, Craig.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
A right, you had to go first year?

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
You should No, No, I'm thinking, uh I honestly, I
I mean they all played all that. I know I'm
gonna go under.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
It's a lot of hits.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
It is a lot of hits. Like, oh, Tonyney had
like three hundred, didn't he Tony?

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
It's honestly a lot of what's and this is not
a good process. I've missed the last three but like
that's was really bad.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
That's was really bad, Like for miss some time, right, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
I don't know if Freeman really missed time this year.
You missed a lot of time. I'm gonna go. I'm
gonna go over.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
I'll let Craig got back at it or completely.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
I mean you buried me already.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
Craig gets the point.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
It is under. I don't think I would have got
this right seventy two.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
See, I would have guess that he had more, but
I guess he walks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
He walks a ton. Yeah, BET's had one hundred and
fifty two and Freedman had one hundred and sixty four.
Was the closest one forty all right, next one hits
in twenty twenty five, Vlag Guerrero Junior, Bob Baschett and George.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Springer, so Bo like got to his line and actually
played all season and pretty much I think until he
got hurt and got got to his line by the
end of the year. Blad obviously head and Blad plays
every day. And Springer, I got I gotta go over go.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Yeah, I think you have to go. I'm going over
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Okay, it is over not by much. Uh, guerreo hundred
seventy two but one eighty one, Springer one fifty four
for a five hundred and seven total.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Yeah, So congresations is very close.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
It's pretty close. U seven with one point with one
game left. Twenty five twenty twenty five plate appearances Austin Hedges,
Tyler Heineman, and Martine Maldonado.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Hell yeah, christ.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
I think got to carry this on his own. There's
no way Maldonado got like one hundred and sixty played appearances.
Is the sweet spot for a backup capture too?

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Yeah, it really is. Yeah, I'm going first. I'm sorry. Yeah,
I think that Maldonado. Yeah, couldn't even couldn't have even
gotten like seventy five, could he?

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Well, we're going to find out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Yeah, we are going to find out. I know Hedges,
but they know it's gotta be under I'm sorry. You
know what I I You're winning either way. I know
what you want.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Might not have to be different in some possibly multiple
teams playing Martin Malton too much and go over.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Martin Maldonado had more plate appearances this year than he
had last year. No, yes, how many? One hundred and
sixty one? Who one hundred and sixty one plate appearances?
He also after hitting one nineteen like remember that last
year wasn't in the majors for part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Oh, he was, He was in the.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Majors sixty four games, he was on the Pods game.
He was on the podres for a long time. They
couldn't replace him, and they couldn't, like they famously decided
that they Yeah, yeah, they traded for Freddy for Mean,
but like he's stuck around. Yeah yeah. This year his
line was two oh fourth three twenty seven. Wow, Well

(01:14:57):
he's always had that tight at the CAG Yeah, he's
got the IYO. It's just you know, in the sense
that it's the one twenty guys. Right, So the final
score on that one, the one hundred and eighty for Hedges,
one hundred and seventy four for Henneman, one hundred and
sixty from Maldonado, five hundred and fifteen total.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
She just wins.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
You gotta look well done, jeff I.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
I was already obviously, But if if I had to
get that to win, obviously I didn't. I would have
put my faith and our listeners to troll cred about
Martin Maldana.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
So we troll Patrick about Martin Maldonado.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Who's ever getting trolled's getting trolled.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
I know that they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
He's gonna get as much as next year.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Yeah, he will. At this point I have given up.
It will be thirty nine next year, which is an
age that baseball players can be and therefore people will be.
He will do it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
You say that Austin Hedges is just going to be
the Padres manager, but Martin already is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Right now, I think like by the constitution.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
They could literally higher. They could hire our team all
as their manager would not surprise.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
The speaker of the house is not there. Yeah, i'd
say thank you to Kurt, but I don't. I'm not
feeling it right now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
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