Rob McConnell Interviews - GWILDA WIYAKA - The Mystic and Mysterious World of Shamanism

Gwilda Wiyaka is a radio/TV creator, producer, host, journalist, award winning author, and singer/songwriter. She is also a shamanic practitioner, instructor and the founder and director of Path Home Shamanic Arts School, formally a Colorado State certified occupational school of the shamanic arts, for which she authored all the curriculum and texts. She creates online video Galactic Shamanism Classes to promote personal empowerment and conducts workshops and seminars internationally. Wiyaka is a preceptor for the University of Colorado School of Medicine, where she provides instruction to medical doctors on the modern interface between shamanism and allopathic medicine. Gwilda is the host of MISSION: EVOLUTION Radio/TV, the creator and host of The Stairway to Heaven TV. Her Radio and TV shows are broadcast internationally through the “X” Zone Broadcasting Network, and the ‘X’ Zone TV Channel.


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Episode Transcript

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Oh Henry, Welcome to the XZone, a place where fact is fiction
and fiction is reality. Now here'syour host, Rob McConnell, to embassing,

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bringing into a million pieces like youalways do, and welcome back into
you one. This is the excellentI am Rob McConnell, coming here from
our broadcast center and studios in SaintCatherine's, Ontario, Canada, on the
Xzone Broadcast Network and on Classic twelvetwenty c FAJ www dot CFAJ dot Ca.

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Now we've heard a lot recently aboutyou know, people going down to
the Amazon or Brazil and you know, going on spiritual trips using ayahuasca.
Well what is that all about?Do they really go elsewhere? Do they
really go on these spiritual quests?Are there other ways of doing this?

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And what is the origin of somethingcalled shamanism? Joining me now from Coldale,
Colorado is Guilda Weeka and Gwilda isa shaman. She is also a
teacher, TV creator, radio creator, and she also teaches line courses online.
So joining me now is Gwildaweka andGwilda Welcome to the ex song.

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Oh thank you Rob, nice tobe here. Tell us a little bit
about yourself GUILDA. Well, I'ma Schmank practitioner and teacher and I've been
in practice for who fifty years orbetter? So you started when you were
three years old? Look started whenI was three, absolutely, but it's
been really a fascinating journey to take, if you will, to come from

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you know, clear back when Istarted when I was twenty, and how
it was viewed then and now we'rein these huge transitional times and it can
be a wonderful tool. So I'mtrying to get it out there as much
as I can. I'm also havea radio show and TV show about evolution
and that's Mission Evolution dot org.And then I do teachings in the Stairway

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to Heaven. That's Stairway to Heavenmediadot com. And I write books and
all sorts of fun stuff. Soyou're really busy, And tell me,
Gilda, what is a shaman andwhat is the intrigue that people are kind
of culminating to shamanism these days?Well, a shaman is a person that

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uses a journey to ants, whichis an altered state of consciousness. It's
measurable. I'll get into that laterif you want me to to enter into
a kind of an interactive dream.But basically what they can do through that
dream is all sorts of things fromdivination to spiritual healing, to remote viewing

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to medical intuitive all those things cancome through that one simple form. And
that's basically what what a shaman isis that's what they do. So is
a shaman like a spiritual worker.No, the way we say spiritual,
we think of it as like religionor you know, angels or this sort

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of thing, And it's not areligion. It's it's a practice. It's
a healing modality, it's a divinationalmodality, and and it's used you know
a lot of our modern day thingsthat we think of like your your Clara
is the claravoyant Clara, audience.All of those things are included in shamanism.
But by spiritual in shamanism we're talkingabout it treats on the energetic level

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of life, person placer thing.Now, there are different types of shamans.
We have the First Nation shamans,we have the shamans in the in
the Amazon, and we have Celticshamans. And are these all on the
same frequency, Well, the frequencyalways varies no matter what we're doing okay.

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And shaman are frequency masters. That'swhat they do. They're able to
at will shift their frequency to alignwith whatever needs to be adjusted at the
frequency level for person placer thing.So the frequency is always shifting based on
what they're trying to do with it. Why did you become involved as a
shaman? What was it that drewyou to that epiphany? Well, it

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was kind of a happenstance sort ofthing. I was. I came into
the world real sensitive. I don'tknow, they might have called me autistic
in the day, but very verysensitive. And then I would lived in
a very volatile situation where I hadto know what the feelings of the people
around me in order to stay safe. And so I turned that sensitivity on
high unwittingly, but then I didn'tknow how to turn it back down.

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And I was getting input from everybodyall the time to the point that I
couldn't sleep and everything else. Andwhen I was in college, I was,
you know, really starting to fail. I wasn't doing well. I
don't mean in college, I meanmy life, by my health. And
I was working in a truck stopto make extra shekels, you know.
College students have to support themselves.And one evening, as I was closing

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up the restaurant, this Native Americancouple comes walking and taps on the door
because I locked it there in therain, and I opened the door and
their truck had broken down. Andthat was in the day and age just
tells you how old I am.But there are no cell phones. You
had take a quarter and you putit in a payphone, right, and

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we had a payphone inside. SoI invited him in and then they told
me, yeah, we got ahold of my brother that he's going to
be coming to get us. Andthey started to go step outside. I
said, well, how do Iwant to take him? They said about
thirty minutes. I said, Isit down. I've got some coffee left.
You know, it's warm in here. I've still got a close up.
So basically they sat there very silently, and when their brother came,

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they got up and started to walkout the door. And the gentleman took
my hand and he put a napkinin it, a folded up napkin,
and he closed my fingers over.He says, you will need this,
use it, okay, napkin.I don't know what I didn't think much
about it, tossed it in mypurse. Well, when I started really
getting ill, really getting freaked out, just couldn't sleep, overwhelmed with all

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the input that was coming in,I was going through my purse and I
found that piece of paper. Ithad a phone number on it, and
I gave him a call, andcome to find out, he was a
Lakota elder and I studied with hima shaman, and I studied with him,
oh for over six years until hecrossed when he was in his nineties.
And that's how I started in shamanism. But what it was doing for

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me is teaching me how to controlthe gift that was about to take me
out, which was that sensitivity thing. And once I studied with him for
that length of time, so I'dlearned a lot of Lakota style shamanism,
I didn't feel like I you know, I didn't feel like I had what
I needed. I felt like Ineeded more, and so I started studying

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all the Native American shamanism I couldget my hands on, which was quite
a few Choctaw, Wrappa, holeand Navajo. You know, you get
the idea. And then I startedstudying Celtic, Tibetan, Aboriginal, you
know. You know, I'd travelaround learn all these shamanic forms and come
to find out there's a lot theyhave in common. What's the commonality there

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is? Morning Kick a stick atit if you would. They always use
some form of altered state of consciousnessin order to access what they call the
spiritual realm. But we don't meanas in ghosts particularly. We're talking about
the energetic frequency or the quantum level, if you will, where the push
pull of life happens before it manifestsphysically. And they do that by managing
their own frequency of their energetic field, and that's done through a trance like

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state that I mentioned earlier. Isit fair to say, then, Gwilda,
that life is based on frequencies?Yes, that's that's really the latest
Well has been been around for along time, that thought. You know,
Einstein, Kesler, Tesler, youknow, all these people have have

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been alluded to that for years,and now with quantum physics opening up,
it's really starting to show to beabsolutely the case. So it's like we're
learning scientifically what they've been working with. The shaman have been working with for
a long time. As a shawman, what is your goal? My goal
is to help people at this timevery volatile times, and nothing is reliable

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anymore. When things were moving slower, you know you could do the same
thing in the same way get thesame results. And that isn't the case
anymore. Everything is up for grabs, everything's in chaos, everything's disintegrating around
us in a lot of ways,and so we can't rely on basing the
future on the past anymore. Shamanismyou could actually access the tendencies that are

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moving in the world, and it'sa wave that goes through life. You
find your sweet spot on that wave. In other words, you don't have
to be drug under by it ifyou can get the information to figure out
how to run your life based onwhat's energetically coming at us. Excell Nation,
My guest tonight is Gwildawyakra and Gwildais a shaman. Her website is

(09:50):
www dot find Yourpath home dot com. My correct worlder. That's correct,
and of course you're listening to uson the Excellent Broadcast Network and Classic twelve
twenty c FAJ www dot Classic twelvetwenty do CA. Well, how can
shamanism help the everyday person listening tonight, it's amazing. It can do all

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sorts of things from spiritual healing andI mean energetic healing. And you know,
we have the physical, mental,emotional we treat, but then the
spiritual, the energetic part of ourbeing is pretty much left untreated, and
that's where shamanism works for the mostpart. But like I said, the
other thing that's so extremely important isyou can divine information with shamanism and get

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inside info, if you will,about what's coming down the pike in order
to make your own decisions and choicesfrom a more informed place. How hard
is it for someone listening tonight whowants to become a shaman to actually become
one? And where do they gofor the lessons how to become a shaman?
Well, I'd like to clarify it'sI give trainings. Okay, you

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can find trainings on my website andI also do workshops sometimes. But there's
a difference between a shaman and ashamanic practitioner. And what your everyday person
is going to learn to be isa shamanic practitioner. That's one that's that
you know, learns to perform thepractice of shaman is but a shaman per

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se is a master for one thing, and they're usually come from an indigenous
background where the grandfathers or they're there. You know, the old shaman have
handed down this information through the generations. And I like to honor them with
the title of shaman versus practitioner becausethey're really the real McCoy. But anybody,

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everybody's according to their gifts. Butanybody can can learn to do the
shamanic trance, can access information,can learn to do spiritual healing and really
make a difference in other people's livesand in their own life. Is there
a difference between the shawmans within theUnited States and Canada for example, who
are not native? And how canyou tell a good shawman who is not

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Native from a bad shawman who's notNative. Well, there's good and bad
native shamans too, Yeah, okay, but the you know, no person
buy their works. That's the waypeople used to do it, right,
that's right. You know, whatare people saying about them? What's their
reputation? What kind of results hasanybody had? If you ask you around

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for your friends, well, youknow, of course, if you're looking
for shaman, you better look inthe right department, You're not going to
be able to get a referral fromuh, you know, your your therapist
or something very likely. But Yoby, where they where they've been trained,
where they've been educated, how longare I taching, the training has been
and what's their reputation? And that'sthat's the key, because there is no

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regulation whatsoever. And anybody that takesa weekend workshop, they can just hang
out their shingle and call themselves ayou know, shamanic practitioner and it's is.
The practice itself is every bit,if not more complicated than being a
doctor medical doctor. Really mm hmm. All right, Well to stand by
you and I have to take ourfirst break for this hour and ex nation.

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Our guests this hour is gwildawiaka.Her website is www dot find your
path home dot com and Gwilda andI will be back on the other side
as the xone continues with yours truly, Rob McConnell from our broadcast center and
studios in Saint Catharines, Ontario,Canada. Now, if you'd like to
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are to me all that a womanshouldn't be and I did a cake for
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Welcome back to everyone Boulder React asmy special guest at this hour here
in the ex own at www dotfind your path home dot com. What
are the most common mistakes made byaspiring shamanic practitioners. Well, the first
and foremost is I mentioned that theshamanic trance excuse me, is much like

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an interactive dream, and as alldreams, that can be literal or it
can be metaphorical. And there's alot of metaphors that come through. And
one of the largest mistakes is takingwhat is a metaphor and interpreting it literally.
Okay, So say, for instance, if I'm doing medical intuitive and

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I suddenly in my shamanic tranceia monsterin this person's gut. Right, I
don't sit up and say, hey, you've got a monster in your gut,
you're possessed. Basically, what thatis is my metaphor coming through in
language that I should be able tounderstand that saying that he has something that's
not in balance, that's giving himgrief, that's causing him illness in his

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gut. Okay, And it goeson and on. People to mind the
future, but then they interpret itaccording to their beliefs and what they make
of it. It's really the informationcoming through is for the client. You
just give them the information, helpthem work with metaphor, and leave it
be. So that's one of thebiggest mistakes is taking literal what is actually
metaphorical. And another one that's reallydifficult is, you know, some aren't

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don't recognize confidentiality and all those rulesand regulations that we do. If we're
a therapist and if you're working asshamanism, you're really getting into a deep
and sensitive place in another person andyou really have to treat that with integrity
and confidentiality and not share the informationwith anyone else. That sort of thing.

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Those are the two piggies in mybook, Where did shamanism start?
What's the history of shamanism. It'sso ancient we don't have We really don't
know. It's purportedly between fifty andsixty thousand years old. It's been practiced
at the base of every culture thatwe have, in one form or another,

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and still it exists today in alot of the different cultures. So
it's been around a long long time. And there's drawings, cave drawings,
you know, shamanic symbols and thissort of thing in the Americas here,
but clear over the Aboriginals have thesame symbols, very similar symbols the shaman

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have put in their case. Soit's like, and you know, the
Aboriginals being in Australia, there wasno communication back and forth, So where
are they getting this information from theearth itself? Quite frankly, the earth
and stars. Is there a differencebetween a shaman and a medicine man.
It really depends which tradition you're speakingto. There are medicine men, and

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there used to be women. Nowthere are starting to be again, and
they work with a shamanic form andthey work with healing people. Then there
are others that do, like theLakota medicine men could do a sweat lotch
okay, perform a sweat lotch ceremonyfor the people. But the shaman,
I remember one time, you know, they're saying, I was talking to

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a Native American and I said,well, well, what about the shaman
of your tribees? So we don'tlike to get around them too much.
They're crazy, Okay. The shamanare kind of set apart in that they
speak to other worlds, they communewith other worlds, and because they work
so much in metaphor, they're kindof difficult to understand. But they're the

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ones that have mastery and they'll doperform the sacred rituals and they also do
the healing. They'll be the onesthat do the divination for the tribe.
Way back, when where's the gamewhere do we move our camp to next?
That sort of thing, So thatyou know it's just a matter of
degree. Why would it be upto the shaman where the camp is?

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What's the logic behind that? Okay? So if you can consider that the
shaman gets his information from the earthand from the stars, and their life
depended on being where the game was, and being where the weather would support
them, the shaman could divine whichspot is going to best serve the tribe
this season, so they'd have differentdifferent locales that they might use at different

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times. It's just like we candwe have weathermen, right, and they
say, well, you don't wantto be on the coast this week,
right if you are board up yourwindows, right. But they're able to
read the currents in a different format. But they read the currents and discern
where's going to be the most adventadvantageous place for them to set up their

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camp or where where the game is, where the game is, where the
game is going to be. Sowhere does the shaman get this information from
the unified field? I believe itcomes from the Earth for sure. And
if you want to talk the morewestern way of viewing it, everything is
surrounded by a trotal field, oran energetic field or our oric field.

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Ours is generated by our heart andby our brain, but mostly by the
heart. But the Earth has oneas well, the Sun has one as
well, The entire solar system hasone, okay, And so all these
energetic fields where they cross over,information is exchanged. And so if I'm
working on a person, whether I'mworking to bring shumana healing to them or

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I'm working to bring them information.My field crosses their field, and that's
where I'm getting my information, andthat's where you do mediumship as well.
Cross into that person's field and withinthe field is the information of the one
that's crossed. Now are you reallytalking to the one after they've crossed,
And that's still up for debate asfar as I'm concerned. But the energy

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of the person that they knew thathas crossed is still in their field,
and that's what you're accessing. Sothat's where the information comes from. It
comes from the Earth and the starsthrough the troidal field of the shaman that
then interfaces the torotal field of atree of the planet of a person,
and that's where the information comes from. Then it has to be received in

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the imagination and translated in metaphorical formto make sense to the mind before you
know what you're really looking at.A lot of people talk about the Acocac
records, where this is all therecords that for whatever was, whatever has
been, whatever will be, arestored. Is this where the shaman also
get their information? Yes, theycan. They can, they don't necessarily

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call it that, but they absolutelycan't access the Akashak records. Now,
the Acacak records, I believe theway they define them, okay, because
because there's boundaries here that are prettypretty loose. But I think the way
they define them as everything that hasbeen will be whatever in relationship to the
earth. So like all the animalsthat have ever been and gone extinct are

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the ones that are going to comein the future. You know, all
that information or the frequency of thosethings, those realities are stored in what
they call the Acacak records. Andyes, shaman can can and do access
that. So does does have theability to to look into the future,
going to different universal planes, goingto different vibrational areas. Yes, absolutely,

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And that's what makes it makes themso crazy, is because they can
transcend all those things, so theyaren't really anchored to this reality. And
if you're not really anchored to thisreality, there's a whole wide array of
knowledge and impressions and frequencies and realitiesthat you're privy to that the common person

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in this reality is not. Andas we're learning more and more about timelines
and simultaneous realities and all this stuff. We're starting to better understand what it
is as shaman does look at andwhere they actually go and where they're getting
their information. Do shaman believe thatthere are multi levels of existence? They

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work at multiple levels of existence?Yes, so I would expect that most
of them acknowledge that. Would yousay that a shaman is also a medium
that they use, that they're alsoclairvoyant, clare, audience, and all
of what the Western world would callmedium more psychic. Absolutely, they use

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the shamanic practice to access those skills, and so, of course, each
according their gifts, each according withtheir limitations. Some might be more inclined
to be a medium, some mightbe more inclined to do divination, Okay,
some might be more inclined to readthe weather or read the clouds.
But basically all of those skills thatyou mentioned are available to the shamanic practitioner.

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There's a lot of misinformation on theinternet, Wilda. How does somebody
know who's looking online for shamanic information? How would they know who is legitimate
or who is not. Of courseI'm putting you in the legitimate side,
but there are a lot of othershamans out there or want to be shamans
who just don't know what the heckthey're talking about. So how does somebody

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who has no knowledge, but they'veheard so many wonderful things about a shaman
that they want to go looking forshaman? How do they know who is
good, who is bad, who'slegitimate and who isn't. Well, again,
you really have to go by aperson's reputation. But like you say,
when you're going online, well,what do they do give to give

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the stars for the shaman? I'ma five star shaman? You know,
how do how do you do that? Well? One of the things is
research where they've trained, what formdo they use, what do they charge?
Okay, and that sort of thing. Because if there if there's a
fly in the ointment, it'll showup by through greed, or it'll show

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up through uh simply not having uhany any substantial training. So would you
say that a person has to dotheir due diligence in learning and doing research
before they just go and say,oh, look, I like this website.
Let's go down and talk to theshaman. Mm hm, yes,

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absolutely I would, because this isthis, you know, the the good
news about shamanism is it really works. The bad news about shamanism is it
really works, and it's powerful,and it can be misused and set a
person back, really and you don'twant that. What has happened that you
know of where a person has triedto use shamanism not for the right reason.

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What kind of repercussions can that personfind themselves in? Well, there's
all sorts of stories about it,you know. I love the Old Ten
Commandments movie where he says, youcannot break the law. You can only
break yourself against the law. Okay, So when a person is not walking
straight, as they would say,when a person is claiming to be a

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shaman but really aren't, they're dabblingin frequencies and energies that they have not
processed enough to manage responsibly, andthat comes back and kicks them. It
really does, because there they hitthere's this backlog of unprocessed hidden agendas within
them that's then brought to the surfaceand it doesn't doesn't go well for them
in their lives. Cool. Ifyou're talking about the practitioner, I was

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just going to ask you, howlong does it take a person to become
a practitioner? Well, I usedto train and a practitioner, you know,
teach practitioner classes. I had acertified trade school of the Shamanic Arts
in Colorado. It was stage certifiedand it was a two year program.
And at the end you got acertification that said you had completed and passed

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the two year program. I wasn'tcertifying shaman. I was certifying that they
had completed the program, gotchakay andthey were still their babies, their babies
when they graduate after two years.They can function within, they can do
the skills, they can do thethe healings, they can do that stuff,
but they're still really babies as faras really getting the depth of this

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practice. Gold to stand bye.We've got to take our break. Explanation
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back. Every One is my veryspecial guest. Her website is www dot
find your path home dot com.She is a shaman and how can we
describe the word shawman in just afew little phrases. Okay, a shaman
is it's a practice that, throughritual, helps enable the practitioner to manage

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matter at the quantum level. Thatsounds very plain, very simple, but
yet so complicated. Where does quantumphysics come into this whole equation. Well,
that's what's so fun about living inthe times that we are is because
quantum physics is opening up so manydifferent possibilities. It's also starting to explain
a practice has been around for fiftyto sixty thousand years, and the shamanic

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practice works at the energetic level,and that's the quantum level, and so
that that's what has to do withit. It works and in that arena.
And what's so beautiful is is whenyou're working on the energetic level,
things aren't set in stone yet.It's like you're working soft claversus something that's
already been fired and trying to,you know, tweak it to your purpose.

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And that's that's where that's where theywork. That's what they do,
and it's been around a long time. Gilda, where do you stand on
appropriation of ceremony? That's a that'sa real hot topic, and it has
been for a lot of years.The Like I mentioned before, there's a
genetic predisposition to being a shamanic practitioner. There's also a genetic predisposition to what

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form of shamanism works best for youas a client. And a lot of
it has to do again with ourgenetics. The ceremonies, okay, that
have been passed down in different indigenoustribes for generations and practice in a particular
way really need to stay with them. Now, there's basic principles that you

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can use that are common to allshamanic practices that are very valid. And
you know, nobody owns the wind. We can create our own ceremonies based
on tried and true practices in ashamanic practice. But if say, for
instance, a person is going toappropriate a ceremony like someone that's not native
and not hasn't been trained with thenative elders to build and perform a sweat

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lodgs, well we've seen one happensthere. You know, people die.
It's a powerful form and you knowit's and then charging for it. That's
not good, you don't you knowit's I do shamount of healing and I
charge for that. But if I'mgoing to do a ceremony, a wedding
or anything, I don't charge forthat. It's because everybody gets together and

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you're coming together in a sacred wayto create a sacred space to perform like
a wedding or whatever. In that'sthat's spiritual work and that you know,
you just don't put a price tagon that. And a lot of people
are taking the a little bit ofthis practice, a little bit of that
practice of the indigenous peoples and thenjust kind of throwing it out there.

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And there's a reason it's performed inexactly the same way. And if you
don't perform it in exactly the sameway, if you just take a few
of the practices and then not thewhole anchelogua or don't understand it, at
very least you won't be doing anything. At worst, you'll be causing harm.
What is the different school between ashamanic ceremony wedding, for example,

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compared to a Christian wedding dependent onhow the person that is focusing the wedding
in other words, the minister ina Christian wedding or the medicine person in
a Native American wedding. Sometimes unfortunatelya lot of our weddings have turned into
a you know, a dog andpony show, right, Yes, it's

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all about it's all about the clothes, it's all about the you know,
Oh my gosh, what a nightmare. And it's turned into a big money
making machine. And those ceremonies thathaven't been that don't stand to the tried
and true ceremonial practice. They aren'tthey aren't doing what they used, what
the ceremony used to do, andwhat a wedding ceremony was designed to do

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and still does, is to createa bond. So you bring together a
group of people, you come intogroup agreement that these two people are committing
themselves to each other and creating abond, okay, and it's energetically put
in place through the ceremony. Andthat's the other thing is you need to
break that bond. But people aregetting divorced but never really doing this.

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There should be a divorce ceremony,right so that you could unravel the bond
that was created. And people don'tunderstand the energy behind it, and therefore
they don't they aren't mindful of it. And it's it's real messy. So
how can people better understand the energybehind their actions. It seems like,

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you know, they go one way, but they forget to go the other
way, and when they go theother way, they should do what they
did the other way the first way. You know what I mean, I
don't even know what the hell Imean by that. Actually I did follow
them. Okay, good, good, good thing that can be more than
one reality at once. That's becauseso the one thing you have to be

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mindful of is that you know alot of they say every word, every
deed goes, it travels to theseventh generation. Okay, what does that
really mean? Well, it meansthat our words, our thoughts, our
deed carry frequency, and that ripplecan go for seven generations and beyond.
So if you have created a frequencyby even cursing somebody saying, you know,

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I wish that person to just getout of my life, or you
know, that's a curse. Okay, you've put upon a person a repelling
curse. I mean, that's that'ssimple as what a curse is. So
we have to be mindful that ourwords have carry amazing power, Our thoughts,
our intentions carry amazing power, andthe only way to wield that in

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integrity is to become processed yourself,to get introspective, to work through your
triggers, to work through the placesthat you are walking straight. And the
more you do that, the morecapable you become as a human being,
and the more capable you become asa practitioner. If that's what you're wanting
to do. Cool do you saythat shamanism is earth and stellar based?

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What do you mean by that?Well, you know, we think of
it as an earth based practice,but actually if you think about it,
it's very stellar based as well.So the Mayans, the ones that built
the Mayan calendar, were both mathematicianand shaman. They were shaman and they've
looked back and studied it, andthey were getting the information that they built

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that calendar on from the stars andthey didn't even have so much as a
telescope. But the accuracy of thecalendar that they built and what it is
about the cycles within the stars,within the heavens, and how those energies
affect behavior of human beings on theEarth, and that darn't accurate. Okay,

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And the Lakota have a beautiful ceremonythey do in the Black Hills.
That's why it was such a sacredground to them is every year they do
a walk and there's different family linesthat have learned a particular ceremony that aligns
with a particular star, and theytravel across this land and go to those
sacred sites, each family on thesite that corresponds with the star and do

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ceremony, and it realigns their peoplewith the energies that are present at the
time. Wow. And that's thesame thing with Stone Hinge, the same
thing with the mounds. All thesesacred sites on the earth were designed to
align with the stars, to alignwith the heavens, and to rebalance the
people based on that alignment, justas the pyramids that the yaves of Platau

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exactly now guilda. We talked aboutshamanic ceremony, but what about shamanic divination.
Shamanic divination is really a powerful formand it's one of the most well
one of the many important ones Ithink for our times now. And what
you can do with shamanic divination isyour reading the currents at the quantum level

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of what is about to take formbefore it has, and if you can
read them accurately, enough you candecide I think I'll turn left inst to
to write okay, because the timelineI'm traveling on right now, this is
what is seen as being some ofthe obstacles I'm going to run into.
Well, and then you can askin the shamanic transfer, well, what

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does it look like if I dosuch and such? What does it look
like if I do such and such? And then you get different answers and
you base your personal decision on thoseanswers. You don't go into a shamanic
transfer. You don't ask a shamanicpractitioner to make your choices for you.
And that's another one of the errorsthat the budding shamanic practitioners can do is

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advise a person as to what theyneed to do. Because they don't know
what they need to do. Theycan just tell them what the currents are
and they have to make up theirown minds. Excell Nasa Gwili yep,
we Actus my special guest and herwebsite is fine. Let me see you
find your path home dot com andGolda is the host of Mission Evolution at
www dot mission evolution dot RG.You know we're coming very fast down to

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the end of the segment Gold thatwe've got about two minutes. My producer
was talking me, it seems thatshaman is more in tuned with what is
going on than a psychic. Is. Yes, a psychic, for the
most part, is usually a giftedperson that can access certain levels of the

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quantum quantum field and get images andthen interpret them. But most of them
haven't been trained in the journey transthey haven't been trained in creating space before
you do it, they haven't beentrained in ethics, all those fun wonderful
things, and they can only goso far with it because of those limitations.

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Where a shamanic practitioner can not justbe psychic, but they can also
be a clairvoyant. There can beyou know, talk to bring the information
from people that have crossed and thatsort of thing. So it's a much
more advanced form and a much morehighly trained form. Are there certain traits

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that a person require is required tohave to become a shaman. It's just
like playing basketball. Okay, I'venever been interested in basketball. I'm short,
I'm white, and I'm female,and so it's just not my thing,
right, I'm never going to bea Michael Jordan, So but I
can probably learn to dribble basketball around, right, all right, it's the

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same thing. It just depends onwhere your gifts lie. And but by
you know, if you really dosome soul searching, if you're not gifted
in that direction, you probably don'twant to go there anyway, Probably not
interested? Gotcha? Well do weact? Please stand by? Great talking
to you, my dear friend.An explanation. If you'd like to find
out more about Gilda, maybe you'dlike to contact her for a one on

(42:05):
one consultation. Maybe you'd like tobecome a shawman. Maybe you'd like to
take one of her courses. Maybeyou'd like to buy one of her books.
Maybe you'd like to buy her CD. Www dot find Yourpath Home dot
com is her website. X ONation, Gwilda and I will be back
on the other side at this veryshort break as we wrap up this hour
here in the xone from our broadcastcenter and studios in Saint Catharines, Ontario,

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and we're coming to you on thex O Broadcast Network at www dot
XBN dot net and Classic twelve twentyc FAJ www dot Classic twelve twenty dot
CA. We'll be back on theother side as we continue our investigation into
the world of the paranormal, sizeof parapsychology, and don't forget we're always

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searching for answers, but demanding thetruth. I'm Rob McConnell. Don't go
away. No time to kill,A time to heal, a time to
time to everything, time to killkiller. Really you say you want to

(43:37):
kill the world. It's gone andit's will be. There's no regen,
it's not time. The circle gameis Onny here in no moment. Don't
tell every song, send you knowyou shot a time and welcome back if

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you one. If you like themusic that we play here on the XON
in our bumpers, then you willjust love the music that you can listen
to on our new affiliate in SinKatherine's Ontario, and of course that's twelve
twenty Classic twelve twenty CFAJ. Theirwebsite is www dot Classic twelve twenty dot
CA. My guest this hour agood friend of mine, Gildaweka. Her

(44:22):
website is www dot Let Me See, www dot find your Path home dot
com, and of course you canlisten to her Quilda's show Mission Evolution on
the xone Broadcast Network at www dotxedbn dot net. First of all,
my friend, thank you so muchfor joining us. Always a great pleasure
talking to you. It is alwaysso fun having time with you too.

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Let me see, you know,like a lot of people have really don't
understand what shamanism is, what isthe what is the hardest thing for any
shaman to overcome in today's society offalse information, false news and and just

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total skepticism. Yeah, that's abig one, isn't it. And you
know, I'd have to say thatthe wannabes that don't want to put forth
the effort to learn the practice ina responsible way give us more of a
bad rap than anything else, becausethey go out and they're kind of half
cocked, and they do a badjob, and the stuff doesn't work,

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and you know, and then theystart interpreting things as literal, Oh I
saw a demon, your house's pocic, you know, Oh, thanks a
lot, you know, instead ofthat, you know, there's just some
energy in here that is incompatible withthe family. So that that's one of
the one of the big hurdles.The other one is misunderstanding and viewing it

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as a religion and thinking that,oh well, that's it's a it's a
pagan religion and arago. If I'ma Christian, I can't. I don't
want to get any work close toit. Okay, So there's that.
Then there's the scientific community that hasanything that's esoteric has been invalidated because they
don't have testing yet they can registerit. However, I've had EKG put

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on my head and they can registerevery time me going into a shamanic trance,
my brainwave change from beta to alphaand then I go into theta when
I'm doing the trance, and Ican do it, it will. So
there is evidence of this going on. And like I said, as we're
getting more into the quantum physics andthis sort of thing, it's all starting
to bleed together to where it's startingto make more sense. But those things

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are difficult, and the wo wooaround it. People that practice it but
don't understand the practice or can't explainthe practice hasn't done any favors either.
I would imagine they're just like thepeople who pretend to be psychics but really
aren't. And you know a lotof armchair quarterbacks out there exactly the same

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thing, same thing. In anyof those cases, you really need to
pay your dues. You've got todo the work. You've got to not
only learn the form. But thelight's only as clear as the window through
which it shines. If you havea bunch of issues, a bunch of
hidden agendas, all that stuff,it muddies the information and it can't come
through clearly. Cool. No,you're a preceptor for the University of Colorado

(47:22):
School of Medicine. You provide instructionto medical doctors on modern interface between shamanism
and allopathic medicine. How's that going. I've been doing that for oh over
fifteen years, and I love it. The new dogs coming out, they're
just wonderful. They're so open minded, most of them. And what I

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teach them is how, you know, we're shamanism and allopathic medicine interface,
and how the two forms can helpeach other out. And still I have
a lot of the docs that I'veworked with in teaching that still come to
me as clients and refer to meas you know, colleagues and that sort
of thing. So, how canshamanic healing and allopathic healing work together?

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And how can they how can theybest serve the public who who need help?
Yeah, that's the thing. Unfortunately, there's no no insurance code for
shamanism. I'm gonna have to workon no. But all joking aside the
I've worked with doctors. I domedical intuitive, which is another shamanic form

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where I can look into the bodyand give you know, then the doctor
will say, what do you seehere? What do you see there?
What's it going to look like insix weeks if they take this pull?
What's it going to look like insix weeks if they don't. Because shamanism
isn't anchored in time and space,you can move forward and backwards in time
and get that information for them.And what I've what I do is been
backed up because I worked with somany doctors, has been backed up with

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MRIs and cat scans and that sortof thing. So imagine how non evasive
that would be. And I youdon't want to base diegnosis on just one
test, but it's one more thingthat gives a whole you know, you
can triangulate information and it gives awhole different view that can really help in
diagnosis tool marks. Yeah, howcan shamanic healing help us to evolve?

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That's the whole point in my book. Okay, because what happens to us
when we have when we suffer aspiritual illness is basically we hit up to
some kind of trauma in our life. Now all of us have had trauma.
This is across the board. We'veall had it. And every time
we hit up to a serious trauma, we disconnect from part of ourselves in

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order to avoid ever having that happenagain. I'm not going to do it
that way again. Well, youknow, to everything is a purpose at
a time, to everything under heaven, you've got, there is a time
that you're going to need that frequency. Just because it didn't go well for
you in this circumstance, you disconnectfrom it. Okay, Particularly as children,
because they don't have the wherewithal todiscern, they just go, okay,
not gonna do that again. Andit's not even a conscious choice.

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They just shut down that part oftheir psyche. Eventually, every time you
disconnect from part of yourself, you'vedisconnected from part of your frequency, and
pretty soon your bandwidth, the frequencynarrows down. And that's what we're seeing
is aging. Okay, people areaging prematurely and dying because they're losing their
frequency. There's a frequency below whichwe cannot maintain physical health. There's a

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frequency below which we cannot maintain life. Okay, let's reverse this. Okay,
if we go in and we startreclaiming all these places that we have
disconnected from, it expands our frequency, It expands our awareness, it expands
our consciousness, it increases our health, it brings out more creativity, and

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basically it's a form of evolution.Fascinating, truly fascinating. Wilder, Now,
why do you see such an amiaspractice as having value in our modern
society? You know, the societyof AI, the society of everybody has
a cell phone and everybody has theirears open to the multiplex of channels that

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are streaming what used to be callednews. How can shamanism help us?
Well, I think it's more needednow that it has been in recent history.
And the reason being, I don'tthink anybody can look around us and
not see that a lot of thingsare disintegrating. We've got the weather changing,

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We've got the you know, societiesand wars, you know going through
all that kind of stress. Andwe have economy issues. I mean,
any place you look, any systemyou look at, there's chaos right now,
and that, like I mentioned before, that makes it very difficult to
decide what's the right action to takeduring this in this stock do I put

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it under my mattress? Do it? You know that sort of thing.
And with shamanic divination, you canlook at any issue and see the currents
that are going to affect that issuegiven you take a choice. So if
we talk about timelines instead, ifwe're not just on one timeline, every
time you make a choice, you'vechanged timeline, you've taken a different path.

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So what shamanism can do is showyou the results of those changes of
path and you can choose which oneto take. I truly believe that shamanism
will become obsolete in that as weadvance here, we're not going to need
a practitioner. We can do ourown. And that's what I'm really hoping
for, is that enough people reachcritical mass of expanding their frequency to where

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everybody can start to read at thequantum level. Instead of thinking we're stuck
we're victims of this reality because wearen't. We're only in this reality because
we believe we are. This soundslike something from The Matrix. I loved
that movie for just that reason.In fact, it was required watching in

(53:05):
the school, one of the classesthat was the required watching. So,
in your opinion as a shamanic,not only practitioner, but a true shawman,
are we living in a holographic world? Yeah? I believe it or
not. I really see that thatthis is a world that is as it

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is because we're holding it there frequencywise. You know, again Einstein said,
you know, match the frequency ofthe reality you want. You can't
help but get that reality. Well, the more of us that believe in
a particular reality, and what's thenews feeding us? Okay, our reality
is being designed for us. We'rebuying into it, and we're creating it
and maintaining it. If we freeup our ability to access and work with

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matter at the quantum level as individuals, we can change this reality. Be
difficult and it won't take long,but as long as critical mass is on
the side of this reality, itwill remain. But isn't it possible that
if we change this reality, maywe may get one that's worse than this
one. It really depends on ourbeliefs and our agendas. So how do

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we get everybody aligned and in tunedto increase the frequency so that we evolve
into a better reality. Well,everybody has to do their little part,
and the exxone is helping me domy part by you know, broadcasting my
radio shows and my Stairway to havean episodes and I have feedback, come

(54:40):
back. I can't imagine this person, you know, clear out of the
blue from another country contacting me sayingmy mother and I used to watch your
Stairway to heave it together. Itmade so much difference, okay, and
it made her crossing easier, andyou know, these kind of answers coming
at me. I realized that thebeauty is it doesn't take the whole society,

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you know, the hundreds of monkeytheory. It doesn't take the whole
even a majority of the people tostart to make a substantial change. Just
one, just one, yeah,sono Agon. Well, we've got about
a minute and a half before wehave to say so long for tonight.
First of all, thank you verymuch for coming on the show tonight.
Thank you very much for all thegreat work that you do. I know

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for a fact that you touch hundreds, if not thousands of people each and
every day who listen to your shows, So thank you for those people who
haven't got the ability to thank youin person. What is your final message
for the ex ow Nation tonight.You know it's looking crazy out there,
but there is a time of chaosanytime a system breaks down before a new

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order is established. We're in thattime of chaos, and it's an alchemical
time. When things are in upheaval, they aren't as locked in place,
and we can change this into somethingthat is beautiful if we just watch what
we are inside and bring that intothe world. How can people find out
more about you, my dear friend, Well, the good safe one is

(56:14):
always find Yourpath hoome dot com becauseyou can find out about my shamanic work,
my teachings there. But you canalso access my radio show Mission Evolution,
and you can also access my Stairwayto Heaven episodes from that site.
Gwilda, thank you very much forjoining us. All was great pleasure talking
to you. I look forward totalking to you again. So thank you

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for all you do. Thank youRob for all you do. Good night,
my good friend, Good night,excell Nation. Our guest this hour
has been guildawiaka www dot find yourPath home dot com. Now I'll be
back on the other side of thisbreak as we continue here in the X
Zone with yours truly, Rob McConnellfrom our broadcast center in Saint Catherine's,

(56:58):
Ontario, Canada. If your stationdoes not carry us into the next hour,
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(57:22):
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