January 28, 2024 • 57 mins
Peter is a facilitator, trainer, keynote speaker and coach who through presentations, workshops, seminars, coaching and consulting helps leaders, teams and organizations better engage and align staff to business drivers and the organization's mission. Peter helps leaders develop the self-awareness, self-mastery and interpersonal skills that enable sustainable high performance and high functioning teams. Through experiential learning and a practical down to earth style, clients learn to implement behaviors that lead to greater individual, team and organizational effectiveness. Peter's focus includes: preventing executive derailment, transformational leadership and creating high performing teams. His approach focuses on clients creating self reinforcing and sustainable positive movement leading towards personal and professional breakthroughs and sustainable organizational effectiveness. Peter is a certified Peoplemap™ Trainer. He is also Everything DISC and MBTI certified. He has served as Vice President of Client Relations and Program Development for The Leadership Trust. Before joining the Trust, he was employed by the Center for Creative Leadership, where he helped customize executive development and training programs for major businesses and corporations. Peter also taught Psychology at Vance Granville Community College. Currently Peter facilitates seminars on Leadership and High Performing Teams at UNC Chapel Hill, Duke University Medical Center and The International Coaching Federation. He has recently been the Keynote Speaker for the Georgia University System's Staff Council Conference.
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my guest this hour is Peter Metzner, and we're going to be talking
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about dreams, psychology and sant ChronisDays. Joining me now is Peter Messinger.
I'm Peter. Welcome to the XZone. Ray welcome, thank you,
and I appreciate being here. Robcertainly a pleasure. It's my pleasure,
sir. And first of all,Peter, tell us a little bit
about yourself. Okay. So I'vebeen fascinated by dreams for a long time,
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and I studied psychology and graduate school, ended up teaching it for thirteen
years. And one of the pivotalmoments in my life was I was chasing
almighty dollar, let's say, andI was having nightmares, and it turns
out nightmares are trying to wake usup. And I took my dreams to
an analyst, and I saw thatthese dreams were metaphor of my life,
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that the way I was living wasactually nightmarish, and it woke me up
to really making some changes and movingtowards a livelihood that I'm doing now,
which is coaching, training, teaching, which is more aligned with you could
say, my heart, my soul, eving Peter, in your opinion,
what is the purpose of dreams?Well, I would say very simply,
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and this comes from many folks likeJeremy Taylor, Carl Jung that dreams come
to tell us something we need toknow but don't know in our waking life,
and they come in the service ofcreating wholeness and healing and harmony from
our interior world to our exterior world. So they're amazingly valuable. Does everyone
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dream? Everyone dreams, even squirrelsdream. Dogs dream when you see them
twitching. Some people who don't realizethere dreaming, they just may not remember
them. But we all dream,you know, people, animals. And
what is the psych physiology of adream. Well, when we sleep,
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if you put your hand on yourforehead, that's our front lobe, our
executive function, thinking, planning,etc. And when you put your hand
on the right part of your brain, that's the creative part, the intuitive
part, the meaning part. Sowhen we sleep, that part of our
brain, the policeman is going tosleep. And then the right part of
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our brain that has to do withintuition, meaning purpose, creativity, nonlinear,
putting together the pieces of our lifethat becomes activated. And that's why
in dreams, inventions have been made, songs have been written like let it
Be from Paul McCartney that came froma dream, and the creative and sometimes
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even when you think about the mysticalor the paranormal, all of these are
in that domain that the unconscious isspeaking to us, and that conscious part
of us, the critical self,the part of us that was told,
oh, it's only a dream,don't pay attention to it, that that
part of ourselves is asleep, andthus we get these images of things that
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are exceedingly valuable to be aware of. How do we actually remember our dreams?
Okay, well, the key isI would say dreams are like friends.
First, they need to be welcomed. How many times have we as
parents, our parents told us I'llgo back to sleep, it's only a
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dreamy, So we've learned to dismissthem, and we spend roughly a quarter
of our life asleep. We shouldanyway, eight hours of a night,
or even a third of our lives, and so you know, we need
to really be open and explore thisworld. So I think the first thing
is to be open to them.And I've had many people in my classes
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over the years say I don't remembermy dreams, and I say, well,
I bet you will remember your dreamand then all of a sudden,
for the first time, they remembertheir dreams. Just by being open to
them. Hmm. Interesting. Whenwe have a dream, we wake up,
the dream doesn't last with us verylong, no, And what happens
in our brain, it's first inour sensory memory. So there's a saying
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that the alarm clock is the enemyof the dream. So when we wake
up and move our arms, thatcould be enough like a fog, it
very quickly dissipates. So some ofthe keys to remember is to realize that
the dream is going from sensory memory, and to really avoid quick movements in
the morning and ideally have a notebookor pad by the table. What I
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do is put all my dreams ina word file, but that means I
need to get out of bed,and sometimes they don't have that discipline.
But a lot of my dreams arevery powerful and emotional, and the idea
is to write the date down,write the name of the dream, and
then eventually you'll see themes. Andwhat I find is that every dream that
I have, and this is supportedby the literature, is that every dream
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is going to tell us something weneed to know but don't know in our
waking life what's going on. Sothey give us a continuous dynamic kind of
backdrop and insight into things that aregoing on that we really ought to be
aware of. So how do weunderstand the meaning of the dreams that we
have? Peter Okay, I wouldlook at it is the dreams of the
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language of the artists. So ifI work with somebody with dreams, it
would be pretentious for me to analyzethe dream. And a lot of my
work as a coach is to bringdreams into the domain of coaching. And
we can work with dreams very easilyand not trying to analyze them, not
trying to say this is what yourdream is, saying what you should do,
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but just by simply paying attention toour dream or someone shares a dream,
and then to be able to say, what's the feeling that I got?
And then a question, how couldthis dream be a metaphor of what's
going on in my life? I'llgive you one example. I was working
with one woman and she was unhappilymarried, and so she had a husband
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that was, yeah, cheating onher and just abusing her and just really
treating her badly. And so onenight she had a dream and she's a
bare skin rub you know, soshe's on Olivia room forward just splayed out
like a bearskin rug, and herhead is where the bearhead would be.
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And then in the dream in comesher husband walks all over her and then
goes to the refrigerator. And sowhen she shared that dream with me,
he said, oh my gosh,if that were my dream, I'd feel
like I'm being walked over. Soif we say something like if this were
my dream, this is what comesup for me. We're being genuine,
we're being authentic, we're allowing ourintuition to speak, and the dreamer is
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truly the expert on the dream.So when we have a dream, we're
the expert. And I think it'sjust asking questions, how might this be
a metaphor what's going on in mylife? Why did this dream happen at
this time? And I still takemy dreams to an analyst. If I'm
working with dreams, I still wantto make sure that i'm working. And
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the questions I often get are whatwas going on in your life? And
it's just amazing, Oh my gosh, the clarity that I'm getting is just
amazing. Exce oor Nation. Iguess this hour is Peter Metzner, and
you can find out more about Peterat his website at Dynamic Change Inc.
Dot com. Olwen, we'd DynamicChange Inc. Dot com and I'm Rob
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McConnell. This is the X Zoneand we're coming to you from our studios
and Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada, right here on your hometown radio,
Classic twelve twenty streamed around the worldon Classic twelve twenty dot ca. Peter,
how can we enrich our dreams oror get more information out of our
dreams than we presently may be ableto do, because up until this point
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we just thought dreams were dreams.Yeah, and they're not random. When
I did a stint at the Centerfor Crave Leadership years ago, there was
they had a really neat program calledLeading Creatively, and we used a technique
where people would be told think abouta business problem, think about a problem
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in your life that you saw,and then seege your dream. So before
going to bed, to ask aquestion, so what do I need to
know? That I need to knowwhat am I not getting? And there
are some people who'd applied this businessproblems and they came up with some really
brilliant ideas. Now our mind isgoing to work twenty four hours a day,
seven days a week, and whenwe're asleep, our brain is still
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very, very active, and it'sprocessing emotions, processing the day, trying
to give us insight. And wecan also use it in science and the
arts and literature. A couple ofexamples. The theory of relativity came from
Einstein. When he was seventeen,he had a dream that he was on
a sled going down a hill andit went faster and faster and faster and
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faster till it hit the speed oflight. And then later in his life
he said his entire scientific career wasan extended meditation on that dream. And
we know about the theory of relativity, so many of us do, but
very few of us. How manyof us have heard that it was actually
the foundation of it came from adream when he was a teenager. Yeah,
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I've never heard that before. Yeah. Why are some dreams in color
and other dreams in black and white? Is there any significance to this?
It could be if, again,depending on the person, the situation,
life situation, there's a number ofways. If we look at it as
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a metaphor black and white, isthis you know what's black and white.
Sometimes you think about the dichotomists thinkinggood or bad, right or wrong,
good or evil. And then ifthere's a dream of black and white,
that's one kind of question I wouldhave. Some people do dream in black
and white, in color, somewould be either or so I think it
just would depend on the person.Nevertheless, I would still really inquire about,
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well, what is the dream,what's the message of the dream?
And it could be the color orlack of color, could be some kind
of message that's trying to alert usto an awareness or a new consciousness.
All right, I can understand,you know, children who have daily routines
they go, oh, they goplay, and they go to school and
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so on, and then the adults. I can understand that. But what
about infants. Now, I youknow, I've heard that infants dream,
and what would they dream about?Well, that's a good question, and
it's really hard because up until theage of six, everything's a download,
you know, as they're observing.So this came from Bruce Lipton, one
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of the most famous epigeneticists, thatwhen kids are up until the age of
six, they're processing and everything's adownload, and it's really hard to say,
what do they dream? Because theycan't tell us. They're in an
infant or in a nonverbal state,So what are they dreaming? You know?
Yet, throughout history, you know, when babies are born, they
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seem almost angelic, they almost seem, oh my gosh, there's just something
mystical and magical about them. Andyet because they can't talk, it's very
hard to discern what is going onin their brain. And yet psychologists and
scientists are realizing that they are somuch more intelligent and there's so much more
going on than we could that we'veever realized. Peter, we've got to
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take our break, coming up withinthe minute. But I read a report
out of I believe it was England, where they have scientific proof that even
a baby inside the mother's womb actuallydreams. Yeah, isn't that fascinating?
That surprised if well, you know, through the umbilical cord, a baby
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can feel a mother's stress, themother's emotions. And again, if you
look at dreams as a way ofprocessing emotions, is any wonder that the
baby is picking up everything that's goingon in the outer world their mother,
their emotions, as well as thenutrients, stress, and cortisols even passed,
so to me, is there anysurprise that they'll also be able to
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pick up not all of the emotions. But Peter Bond, all right,
stand by, We've got to takeour break. Exponation. Peter Messner is
our special guest, and this isthe X Zone on your hometown radio Classic
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I'm Rob McConnell. We'll be backafter this break, all right. This
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Oh every morning, just to keepa job, I gotta find my
way to the hustle, sounds ofthe city founding in my brain while another
day goes down the dream. Thankyou, but it's a five o'clock the
world when the whistles. Welcome backeveryone. The X Chronicles newspaper is now
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up running and available at www dotx chronicles dot net, and of course
it is totally one with our complimentsand the compliments of our advertisers, and
that's at www. Dot x chroniclesdot net. Peter Metzer is our special
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guest, and we're talking about dreamsof this hour. Well, this is
what a part we're going to betalking about. We're going to be speaking
about many other things, but Peter, when it comes to dreams, a
lot of people seem to have nightmares, a lot of people seem to have
the dream where they're standing up nakedin front of people, others where they're
running being chased and they don't knowwhy they're being chased. What is the
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significance of all these different dreams andwhen is it decided that this is what
we're going to dream about. Ohboy, that's a question. Well,
here's what I think is great aboutdreams. And Carl Jung said this that
we can't fool our dreams. There'sa quote I like a lot that man's
capacity for self deception is truly monumental, and yet our dreams are going to
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tell us like it is. Andthis may be a hard thing to kind
of grasp, but there's an intelligencegoing on and are unconscious that's coming out
to tell us if we're on aright track or wrong track in our lives,
and that's where they are so valuablefor healing and wholeness and gaining clarity
on the direction of our life.And if you, let's say, entertain
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the ideas that our nightmares are tryingto wake us up, that if we're,
from an ego standpoint, going downthe wrong track in our life,
then the nightmare may come up asa correction to say, look, you
need to pay attention to this,and if you don't pay attention, I
will keep on coming. These arethe recurring nightmares. And it's been shown,
and I've seen this with people i'veworked with, that once we understand
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the message of the nightmare, willnever have it again. I'll give you
one quick dream of a student manyyears ago. I was teaching an intro
to psychology class. Tuesday morning startedat nine thirty, I believe, and
there is a young lady who wouldbe asleep. She'd come in and put
her head on a desk at ninethirty and sleep. And when we got
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to talking about dreams, all ofa sudden, she kind of her head
popped up and she revealed this nightmarethat she'd been having a recurring nightmare that
she's in a car in a backseat. Her boyfriend is driving radically going down
a road. There's no guardrails,and there's this steep and she's in a
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back seat no seat belt, withbeer cans and liquor bottles and cases of
beer all around her. And thenshe teared up and she asked me,
am I going to die? Andagain, if you think about dreams coming
to promote healing and wholeness, allI said, Well, if it were
my dream, you know, I'dwant you for my dream. I think
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the dream is trying to give mea message that if I keep going down
this road, something bad might happen. And that was enough for her to
get therapy, and she did getrehabit therapy. She managed to get her
boyfriend into therapy, and eventually shegot into one of the health programs at
the college. And all of thatfrom just that one nightmare. And I've
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seen similar things like that over andover again over the years I've been chronicling
students' dreams. How would you describea waking dream or what is known as
daydreaming? Daydreaming, again, alot of that is our unconscious, So
daydream can be you know, veryhelpful. Einstein was a day dreamer.
If you look at you know,people who were very significant in history,
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they were day dreamers. You know, they'd look out the window during class
and the teachers that go get veryirritated. But daydreaming is, you know,
we're in a kind of very passivestate. We're looking out the window,
and our fantasies are often coming fromour unconscious as well as well.
So the unconscious is trying to communicateto us, sometimes through day dreams,
sometimes through dreams, sometimes through bodilysymptoms as well. All right, Now,
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there are different types of dreams.We have normal dreams that are most
dreams. They fall into that category. Lucid dreams, which are my favorite
types of dreams. We have nightmares, we have recurring dreams, we have
prophetic dreams, we have healing dreamsand epic dreams. Now why I love
lucid dreams so much is but Ican actually dream a dream within a dream,
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within a dream within a dream,and I know that I'm dreaming when
I try to read something, whetherit's a menu, a newspaper, a
street sign, a store sign,if it doesn't make sense to me,
when I'm trying to read it.I know I'm dreaming, and that's when
the fun begins. Yeah, that'sawesome. That's awesome. So I think
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that's a real gift. Some peopleare more natural lucid dreamers than others.
For me, I'm interested in it, but I can't say that I'm a
lucid dreamer. Every once in awhile I may realize I'm dreaming, And
sometimes a dream is so vivid thatI don't realize that it's a dream.
I think I really am there.But for some people it's natural, and
there's a lot of things to explore. I'll tell you one lucid dream that
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someone shared. One of my firsttalks i'd given to a society of training
professionals, and there were about onehundred people in the room, and a
woman stood up to share a dream. And she said, I haven't told
anybody this, and yet here sheis telling one hundred strangers. But she
said, I need to share this. And she had a dream. She's
in the North Carolina and in theEast Coast, and her dad's living in
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the West Coast, and she hada dream where she and her dad were
in the living room of the housethey grew up and they're sitting at the
table having a chat and a coffee. He had the same exact dream,
and then they both recounted elements ofthe dream that they both shared, but
they hadn't yet communicated, And sowho am I to say that they didn't
connect. And lucid dreaming, there'sthat element the dreamers, the expert and
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some of the places that you maybe going during lucid dreaming and learning.
It's a whole other universe that canbe explored. And people who do lucid
dream you know, they report somereally remarkable experiences. Another type of dream
that is getting more and more popularitythese days is the prophetic dream. Now,
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if the future is not certain,all right, according to according to
our good friends in quantum physics,the future is not certain, how can
a prophetic dream happen? Then?Yeah, that's very interesting if we get
into quantum physics, where you know, once we focus on a possibility,
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it becomes fixed. So a wavebecomes a particle once it's noticed. So
with dreams, you know, Iguess in history, Lincoln dreamed his assassination
the day before it happened, andhe recounted that he saw a coffin and
people mourning and crying, and inthe dream he asked, well, why
is everybody crying? And somebody saidthe president's been killed. And then he
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woke up and he shared that withhis wife and she insisted he stay home,
but nevertheless they went to the theaterwhere he was shot. So I
asked, he's now passed, buta student of young Robert Johnson, who's
written numerous books on dreams, andI asked him how could dreams be?
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And his answer is very simple,that dreams don't follow the same rules that
we follow. The unconscious has itsown set of rules, and that's why
there can be these prophetic dreams.And many of us have had them.
And sometimes the trick is how doI discern whether or not this is a
prophetic dream, right? Or dreamthat's not? And the answer is sometimes
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in a particular. So if let'ssay you have a dream you're in an
airplane and it crashes, well that'sa metaphor. Am I flying too high?
Am I crashing and burning? AmI too inflated? But let's say
if you're about to go on aflight somewhere and you have a dream and
you see the numbers on the planelike whatever X three two one or whatever,
and then you look at your ticketand there's that same number. I
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would pay attention to that, Sowould I believe me? How do we
foster healing and wholeness through our dreams? I think the dreams are going to
foster healing and wholeness no matter what. So I don't know if it's so
much that we but we're receptive tothem, that we're welcoming to them.
And if dreams are trying to promotehealing and wholeness, they're going to kind
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of alert us if we're off trackand on track. And I'll give you
one example. I was working witha very busy executive. He was a
financial person, and I was quitesurprised that he was very open at dreams.
And he would send me a wordfile of his dreams, you know,
between our sessions. And he hada recurring dream that he's in a
sports car and he's going too fast, he's bumping into people, he's hitting
to guardrails, flipping over, butthe accidents were never really too bad.
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And I asked him as a metaphor, so, my gosh, if this
or me, I'd wonder if I'mdriving myself too hard, or if I'm
really just you know, not payingattention and being you know, really too
driven, and he didn't want toentertain that. At that time, he's
going for a PhD. He hada high level job at a university.
But then a couple of weeks laterhe was in the hospital in the emergency
room with chest pains, and thenthat's where he took it seriously. And
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then after that he never had thedream again. When he started to realize
he had to kind of let goof the brottle, so to speak,
and slow down. Peter, whatstarted you on your question into a better
understanding of dreams? Well, itwas a nightmare. It was really for
me a nightmare. I've always beenopen to dreams. Again, coming from
a background in psychology, I alwayshad an attunement to human humanistic psychology and
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came across the writings of young andpeople who were in what's called transpersonal psychology,
where they looked at the whole personand to say that we're not just
our ego, this made up identity, but we have a psyche or a
soul, and that dreams are tryingto communicate in many ways to harmonize who
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we really are to this made upidentity which you may or may not be
serving us so well. So froman academic standpoint, I was interested at
an early age, but it wasn'tuntil I had my midlife crisis. And
for me, the midlife crisis wasI climbed the ladder and I put it
against the wrong wall. What doyou do? Well, there's a dream
that shows me trapped in the desertbehind a brick wall, and there's a
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middle aged guy guarding the entrance toa very lush kind of field that was
full of you know, trees andgrass and just beautiful. But I was
trapped. And then I asked aquestion, or I took that to an
analyst, So who was that middleaged guy that was keeping me from going
into a very rich life or area, And it had to be me.
Usually every part of the dream isa part of ourselves or metaphor of where
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we are. And I didn't realizethat the prison I was in was partly
my beliefs and the sense that Ihad to stay in a job that was
making good money but really wasn't wheremy heart or my spirit really was.
And so the dream, that nightmarealerted me. And that's when I realized
how vitally important they are. Andas I became certified as a coach,
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realized that, you know, dreamsalso need to be in the domain of
coaching, not just therapy. Interesting, Now, before we get to our
next break, which is coming upor very fast, a quick question during
your research into dreams, is thereanyone culture or anyone race that dreams more
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than the other? Oh, that'sinteresting, I would say indenous indigenous society.
Excuse me. Indigenous societies often werevery attuned to dreams, and so
if someone had, let's say,in one society in Indonesia, a primitive
society, somebody had a dream ofa fight with the neighbor as a result
of that dream, they'd bring theman offering to kind of, you know,
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somehow bring an offering. So dreamshave been used throughout history, and
I think what's happened in our Westernworld where we become very intellectual, we
value IQ and we really look atthe scientific method. You know, a
word like the soul, you knowsometimes it makes people very antsy. Well,
how do you measure the soul orspirit or some of the things that
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let's say we delve into or thatthat you focus on some of the things
in the pair normal or you know, the pair normal you could say is
new normal. But these things thatwe can't readily explain, we dismiss,
and sometimes because we don't have thetools yet to measure it, we become
afraid of it. So I suspectthat as we get into this very rational
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kind of materialistic society, and ifwe don't yet have the tools and wherewithal
to really put Peter or I'm goingto have to stop here. I have
to take my break. It's ahard fixed but so our ex o nation,
our guests. This is hard PeterMetzner. His website is Dynamic Changeinc.
Dot com. And I'm Rob McConnell. This is the xxona on Classic
twelve twenty streaming Classic twelve twenty dotca. And if you'd like to send
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me an email xone at Classic twelvetwenty dot ca. We'll be back after
this break. Donk away Christmas.This is Annette Martin, Medical Intuitive and
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Psychic Detective here at www dot AnnetteHyphenmartin dot com. Wishing Rob McConnell and
all listeners and viewers of the worldwideexhonation, a very merry Christmas and a
safe, healthy, happy New Year. Oh I could time need the wings
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of the bluebird as she sees thesix o'clock girl would never What's Its Ring?
And I RAN's Wife, The SleepOut of Man Micheven Visus Cone and
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see Jee see j Jar to DJand welcome back everyone. This is the
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excellent I am Rob McConnell and we'recoming to you on your hometown radio Classic
twelve twenty and streamed around the worldon Classic twelve twenty dot ca A.
Peter Messner is our guest. Hiswebsite is Dynamic changeink dot com. And
Peter, thanks very much for comingon the show. Great talking to you
listen on Honor. Thank you forhaving me. Peter, I understand that
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you had a dream where you actuallywere able to communicate with your dad who
had passed. Mm hm, yes, you know that's that's another one.
My dad had a sudden heart attackat age fifty six. He was visiting
my sister, who at the timewas living in Frankfurt, and he had
a massive heart attack in his sleep, and we had a lot of unfinished
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business. He was a bit ofan authoritarian. I was a bit of
a rebel immature, and we nevergot to that place where you know,
we had that could have had thatreconciliation. And the older I get,
I get, the more I admire, you know, his life and what
he overcame. So I was stillin that early age. I was eighteen
at the time, and A remembersleeping on the sofa and I saw an
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orb of light in a dream,and I was an orbit of light,
and I got a sense that wasmy father. I felt his presence and
these two orbs that we came together, and it was just a lovely sense
of acceptance, of love and understandingthat I couldn't put into words. And
when I woke up, I hada distinct, you know, sense that
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we that he had reached out orwe connected, and it really gave me
a lot of peace of mind thatone that he's okay and two that you
know, I was accepted and wehad a pretty rocky relationship. But it
was really a part of my maturingand healing that came from that dream,
and so it's something that I stillvery treasure, very deeply. A lot
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of people when they have their dreams, they they usually have these little dream
interpretation books that they love to.You know, Okay, there's water in
my dream. There were fishing mydream. Okay, what does all this
mean? How accurate can these booksbe when everybody who has a dream,
the dream its contents are specifically amessage for them. Yes, that's a
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really good question, and I thinkthat can be helpful if we use them
in the spirit of how does thisplay out with all the other symbols and
all the other things in the dream. So, for instance, if somebody
dreams of a gun, for someonewho's a gun enthusiast, that could be
very empowering, a symbol of theirvalues and their freedom and their ability to
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protect themselves. But somebody who,let's say a dozen favor guns, a
gun in the dream could mean somethingvery different and very threatening. So I
think we have to be careful andlook at the context and see, you
know, if we look at allof the details, what is the metaphor
how's it emerging? And sometimes wecould look at one of these interpretation books
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and see water could mean something aboutthe unconscious, the deep sea, you
know, this sea, that we'rejust a drop in this big sea,
and that could be very helpful.Usually, animals in the dream could represent
our own instincts. And let's sayif I had a dream of a lion
that was in a cage and trappedand manging hungry. You know, I
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could think, Okay, if that'smy instincts, there's something wrong with that?
How am I trapped? And whatam I not doing to let my
instincts have free roam so to speak? So they can be helpful, But
I think we need to look atthe whole picture, everything together, and
I think, what is the emotionalsense that I get like an artist,
you know, the dreams of thelanguage of an artist. What's the overall
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message? And yes, they canbe helpful, but I would caution against
being too literal. Peter, isthere any connection between dreams and synchronicities?
Oh? I think that's another greatquestion. So synchronicity, you know,
Carl Young coined the term that synchronicitiesare these like a causal coincidences that how
that go beyond statistical analysis. Andwhat he felt is that when we're on
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the right track in our life inother words, you know, our soul,
our values, our passion or interestin all our line, that somehow
these synchronicities occur we meet the rightperson at the right time. We hear
a song, all of a sudden, we read something the newspaper. That's
just what we need to get.And the synchronicities to Young is that you
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know, yes, there is somethingoutside of us, unseen forces that impact
us, and that when we aretruly kind of open and aligned and moving
in a way that's really right forus, you know, these synchronicities occur.
I'll give you one example. RobertJohnson again, who passed a student
of Carl Young. He'd written somany books, was considered a leading analyst,
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and he said in his life hejust worked on raising his consciousness to
recognize the synchronicities when they came,and that led him to all the work
that he did as far as publishing, the education, even meeting car Young
and moving forward. But he justtried to pay attention and be open and
recognize them where they are. Andmany times they are happening, we just
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don't recognize them. So can wesay that a synchronicity is being at the
right place at the right time.It could very well be placed in the
right time, and it is aligningsomehow with our values, our heart or
maybe that So again, We oftenaren't aware of the unseen forces that impact
us, but maybe there is.There are some unseen forces that are saying,
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Okay, here's a clue. Here'sa clue, you're on the right
track. And so many times whenI started my business, I was just
ready to throw it in. Irealized sometimes it's one thing to have the
skill of a coach or facilitator,teacher, whatnot, but it's a different
skill set building a business. Andthere's so many times I was ready to
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just okay, give it up,and then I would get a phone call,
or I'd get it out of theblue, somebody who gave me a
word of encouragement, or or somethingwould come up. Every time I was
at that point of giving up,something would come up and to me that
was, okay, is this amessage or synchronicity? But it gave me
the encouragement to keep on going inthe direction I was. People have given
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me this example of a synchronicity,and I can't figure it out for the
life of me. They say thatthey have been at all odds with someone
else and then they and then thisperson out of the blue calls them.
Then they get into their car,they turn on al radio, their car
radio, and there's a song thatused to be their song. Now being
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in radio all these years, Iknow what goes into programming a song,
into into the programming of the dailybroadcast for the for the station. The
odds of this happening, in myopinion, are too great to even consider.
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Yes, so how do we howdo we how do we justify this
or how do we try and putcommon sense to something that seems not to
be common at all? And Iguess that's why the word synchronicity fits it
so well. It's an a causalevent that we can't explain mathematically irrationally.
But then yet you brought up somebodythat we had an argument with, or
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somebody that was on our mind.We get a phone call, and you
know from I remember hearing a numberof analysts say that on a soul level,
we're all connected. You know,this illusion of separateness. Einstein even
said that that this illusion that we'reseparate is really an illusion that if you
go to an energy or particle typeof approach, that we're all connected.
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We're all energy, and on asoul level, we're all connected, and
that people that were especially close toemotionally close to, and even anger would
be a close emotion. You know, we're still connected that all of a
sudden we're on that wavelength. Weknow, And there have been so many
accounts of mothers who lost the sonat war, overseas, World War two,
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the Korean War, at Vietnam War. They just knew when their son
or a loved one had died.They just knew the moment had happened.
That people that we love were veryconnected to and we often dream about them,
and sometimes it happens to so manyof us. We think about someone
and all of a sudd out ofblue, we get a call or an
email or that song comes up,and it's you know, how do you
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explain something that's a causal except tosay there's just something more going on than
we may be realizing, to beopen to the mystery rather than being the
note in your opinion, Peter,After COVID, was there a significant change
in dream patterns and the reporting ofdreams. You know, I read a
few articles and there are a numberof people who were documenting the dreams during
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COVID, and during that time,in addition to the pandemic, there was
an epidemic of depression, anxiety,fear, as well as social isolation.
And I do think that a lotof the dreams were reflecting that, and
there are a number of people whohave documented that. I, as interested
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as I am, was focusing onmy work, you know, with webinars,
you know, developing resilience and youknow, how do we you know,
build community and have healthy relationships.But I do believe that the dreams
have been heavily influenced by each ofour individual emotional states. And I think
we're all affected profoundly by the collectivethat's going on. And so I think
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if we did a search on that, there'd be some pretty interesting articles.
But yes, I think that's anarea that we could delve into more.
You know, whatever our dreams tellingus about our current times and what's the
message that we're getting collectively that weneed to know so that we can,
you know, be more considered andconscious and the decisions we make. In
your opinion, do we retain allthe dreams that we've had in our data
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bank of the mind. That's interesting? Well, I think our unconscious hypnotists
have found that memories are always there. The unconscious is recording everything and our
right brain and the unconscious. It'snot linear. And then sometimes when we
really are focused on something, theunconscious will give us what we need to
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know. In the case of themachine, let's say, for instance,
Elias Howe was stuck on how tomake the sewing machine work, and then
he had a dream he was capturedby natives in Africa, I believe,
and put in a boiling kettle ofwater, and he was tied up with
ropes and as he was about tobe stabbed by spears, he woke up
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in a fright, the fight orflight, and then he asked himself,
why did those spears have holes init? And that's the missing piece that
he needed for the dream. Sois that his unconscious or is it the
collective unconscious trying to come in andgive him what he needed to know to
finally finish that sewing machine. Andlike you said, so many people will
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go to bed with a problem andwake up with a solution. Yes,
yeah, for the old saying,I'll sleep on it. Yeah yeah.
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Change Inc. Dot com. Peter, is there a difference between a synchronicity
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and a coincidence? Yeah? Yeah, I think that would be That's a
really good question. A coincidence wemight explain as well as just one of
these things that happened. I thinkit's a snick to me. Synchronicity is
something more profound that I'm really focusingon building my business or meeting the right
person, or and all of asudden something comes up. Like there was
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a psychologist who I got to know, and one of the synchronicities that he
had he met someone who was outof state, and he was should I
have a long distant relationship and hesaw a license plate with her initials,
and then as he's traveling, hesaw more and more signs that of something
that was alerting him to something thatreminded him of her or they had in
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common, and then to him,those synchronosities alerted him. You know what,
I think she is the one andand they've been happily married for many
many years, and they were verynicely together and many of the programs that
they do, so I would saythat's a synchronicity. A coincidence may not
be that meaningful, and maybe itis a synchronicity, but I think it's
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a coincidence that may just happen andwe don't put meaning to it. But
uh, that's interesting. I thinka synchronicity is usually tied to something we
really want or and that's guiding usto making some movement, either in evolving
or starting a new endeavor, ormaybe finding that new romantic or romantic partner,
the one that's really meant that we'remeant to be with. Can a
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coincidence and the synchronicity occur at thesame time, I think is very possible.
Yeah, yeah, I think it'svery possible. Peter. And the
information that you were kind enough tosend us for tonight's interview, you mentioned
you had a near death experience,and I was wondering if you could share
that with us. Okay, certainly. So this was when I was thirty
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and I was an a dentist chair, and I'll try to make it brief,
but I was given nitrous oxide,and at that time a friend of
mine is an anesthesiologist, and heexplained why I would have had the rest
that I did, so in essence, I was having nitrous oxide, and
I remember hearing the dentists say,okay, let's put them on oxygen,
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and I didn't respond, and thenI could see the panic in the room
and above me in my mind,I saw ten lights and I saw light
number ten go out, nine goout, eight go out, and I
got a sense that, Okay,when all these lights go out, I'll
be gone. Seven, six,five went out, and I got this
sense of being connected, this sense, oh my gosh, this overwhelming feeling
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of being connected, of understanding thatI couldn't put into words. Five went
out, four went out, Threewent out, and it was just this
incredible sense of love of the longand a feeling connection, and I was
ready to go. I didn't wantto come out. Three went out,
Two went out, and I couldhear the pandemonium, but I didn't have
any control even over my blink reflex, gag reflex, and I was waiting
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for that wist light to go out. Just before it went out, as
they're putting the defibrillators on to me, I just flew out of that chair
and I saw everything. Torssed over, emsving called, and the panic that
they thought that they lost me.And I was back, and you know,
I insisted on going home. Theyinsisted on taking me to the hospital,
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but I don't know how I prevailed. But then that was a near
death experience, and I became veryinterested in the thousands, if not millions
of people who go through it.And there's a thing that many of them
have in common. They no longerfear death, They get into altruistic occupations,
they become more intuitive or even psychicyou could say, or more tuned
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to it. And I seemed tofit what the research with many of the
models said, these are the thingsthat happened to. People have those experience
and I'm not alone. The thousandsand thousands of thousands many soldiers have had
them, and I think that's animportant topic, that it is an event,
and unfortunately, for many years thearmy treated it as a psychosist and
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try to medicate these soldiers who hada near death experience and no longer could
kill people and their wives in thearmy that they just didn't fit in.
But that goes with the profile thatafter having that, you have a completely
different frame of mind. And inmany of them, I've even seen construction
people who are really gruff and rough, you know, quit their construction job
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to work for Habitat true humanity,And if I asked them why, they
said, well, I had thismassive heart attack and almost died. Just
seemed like to be the right thingto do, but they didn't reflect that,
but they still made those changes.If people don't fear death after having
a near death experience, in youropinion, after having one, what happens
after death, that's a good experience. It's a really good question for me,
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you know, I think that inso many of the wisdom traditions.
So I became very interested what arethe different wisdom traditions teach us? And
the Tibetans, you know, theymade the most sense to me, and
they said that if you believe inJesus, you know when you die,
have Jesus in mind. And theymapped out the stages that we go to
in all the temptations, and theysaid, if you believe in Buddha,
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then fixate on Buddha. If youbelieve in Mohammad, fixate on Mohammed.
And that gave me a lot ofcomfort. So I can't really say for
what it's going to be for everybodybecause we all have different lives and some
people have had near death experience.It wasn't all roses, you know.
There were some really interesting and sometimesscary things that happened. So it may
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be different for all of us.But I think the sense is is that
you know, we're here for ashort time, a very short time.
Eighty years is just nothing if youthink about it, and yet we have
an energy and a sense of eyethat lives on. And I think is
very important to really live knowing thatwe'll die, so that we live and
learn and grow, so that wedon't have to rely in a ghost telling
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us what we missed in life.A good friend of mine in Montreal told
me this, saying that it's histrademark. You're here for a good time,
not for a long time. Yeah, that's number one. And then
I have my own little saying thatdeath is inevitable. The moment we are
conceived is the moment we start todie. Mm hmmmm. Well, if
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you think about birth could be seenas a death and death as a birth.
And what's very interesting, many peoplewho have these near death experiences they
were poured a tunnel. I didn'thave that, but many people repoured going
through a tunnel. And when somebody'sborn in a sense, that birth canal
is like a tunnel. So thebirth could be a death and that death
could be a birth. You know, both of them have a tunnel,
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and that there's a consciousness that somany people, millions, you know,
throughout history have gone through, andI think that's really important. So you
know, when you have an experiencelike that, no longer do you have
a faith. You kind of havean experience and a knowing which is profound.
You're doing research or studying shadows,and I was reading a bit on
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that and it's fascinating work. Canyou share that with our audience? Yeah,
that's it's a big topic and inessence, a shadow if you look
at individually, we all have ourshadows, and the shadows typically associated with
those repressed, scary parts of ourselvesthat we're ashamed of, and so we
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repress them. We repress them intoour unconscious and the danger of not doing
shadow work and not bringing a lightto them is that they exert a tremendous
power over our life, and theycan sabotage well we want most So,
for instance, if we only associatewith good, but we don't recognize like
these dishonest, unsavory parts of ourselves, they leak out and we can do
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evil in the name of good.And I think the problem of evil is
is that people don't recognize when theyare and that could be the shadow coming
out that controls us, and itcould be individual as well as collective.
And so when we do our shadowworks, so to speak, we recognize
we try to bring light to it, but we have to heal and own
and love those parts of ourselves thatwe feel are unlovable, and that's when
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we become whole or integrated. AndI've heard others like Robert Johnson say that's
how we become holy. We integrateall these parts of ourselves, and when
we no longer oppress them, weno longer project them out, either individually
or collectively. A lot of peoplewho investigate the paranormal these days are reporting
multiple sightings of shadow people, andI'm just wondering if what they're actually seeing
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are the reflections of themselves. Yeah, that's a good question, and that's
something I'd be curious about. Youknow, I've read and heard accounts of
these shadow people, and I'm notsure that I can say that they aren't
there or people aren't saying them,or if we're seeing them in a dream,
if they represent shadows. That it'sa really good question. Are there
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shadow people out there? Well?In our band, we have a very
limited band of vision, and wehave a very limited band of hearing.
And beyond that, there are thingsout there that sometimes very sophisticated electronics can
pick up that we don't. Andso I'm not one to say if they
are shadows or shadow people, butI do know that when I start to
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recognize what my shadows are and onthem, it helps them be a lot
more considered, a lot more awareand able to move forward and manifesting the
things that I want to do andaccomplish. Peter, we've got about two
minutes left. What are your finalthoughts and what would you like to share
with the x O nation tonight.Oh boy, Well, I think that
all of us we have tremendous giftsand that we have a tremendous source of
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wisdom inside of ourselves, and allwe have to do really is be open
to it. And all of thewisdom traditions, you know, people found
their connection to the transcendent, let'ssay, in nature and when they're calm
and when they're quiet, it's kindof like let's say radio, with a
lot of statics speaking of radio,and that when we're calm, all of
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a sudden, that channel is clearand we all have, we all can
have access to it, and sometimesour pain, our suffering, the shoulds
and oughts and the conditioning can kindof put a barrier to that. But
our unconscious is going to try throughdreams. It's going to try to alert
us through symptoms sometimes or our emotions, and all of that is necessary to
kind of help us grow and awakenand become more conscious and considered and to
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really grow as people and to hopefullyevolve as human beings and humanity. Are
you seeing more and more people comingto you for for the for the lessons
that you teach them on how touse their dreams to help them have a
better, more prosperous life. AndI've got about thirty seconds. That's a
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big question for true. I thinkmainly through courses. I teach at one
of the coaching institutes, the Institutefor Life Coach Training. So I do
a course with a colleague and wedo it on dreams, and we've prepared
a course on shadow work as well. So right now it's didactic and if
a client that I have is opento dreamwork, then I'll certainly work with
it. But it's the client's agendawith coaching, and so I try to
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meet them where they are and ifthey are open to dreams, that can
be very rich. Peter. Letour listeners know how they can contact you
or find out more about you.Yes, thank you. So my website
is www. Dynamic Changeinc. Dotcom. And so my email through the
website is info at dynamic Changeinc.Dot com, And so I can take
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emails through that, And on mywebsite you'll also have a phone number and
a contact number, and so I'dbe thrilled. And there's also a series
of blogs in a shadow on dreamsas well that you can get through the
website too. Peter, I wantto thank you ever so much for joining
us tonight, and to you andyours a very merry Christmas and a happy
wonderful New Year. Yeah, thankyou, Rob, and saying to you
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and thank you so much for havingme my great pleasure. And that's it
for tonight, Xonation. I'll beback tomorrow night at eleven o'clock is once
again we cross the time space continuumto this place that I call the X
Zone. And the X Zone comesto you Monday through Friday at eleven pm
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remember, keep your eyes to thesky and your heart to the lake.
Good Night everyone,
Hey, this is Stephen Brayson atwww dot Stephen Bryson dot com here to
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is a place where people dared tobelieve and dare to be heard. And
it's also a place where fact isfiction. And we're here Monday through Friday
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my guest this hour is Peter Metzner, and we're going to be talking
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about dreams, psychology and sant ChronisDays. Joining me now is Peter Messinger.
I'm Peter. Welcome to the XZone. Ray welcome, thank you,
and I appreciate being here. Robcertainly a pleasure. It's my pleasure,
sir. And first of all,Peter, tell us a little bit
about yourself. Okay. So I'vebeen fascinated by dreams for a long time,
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and I studied psychology and graduate school, ended up teaching it for thirteen
years. And one of the pivotalmoments in my life was I was chasing
almighty dollar, let's say, andI was having nightmares, and it turns
out nightmares are trying to wake usup. And I took my dreams to
an analyst, and I saw thatthese dreams were metaphor of my life,
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that the way I was living wasactually nightmarish, and it woke me up
to really making some changes and movingtowards a livelihood that I'm doing now,
which is coaching, training, teaching, which is more aligned with you could
say, my heart, my soul, eving Peter, in your opinion,
what is the purpose of dreams?Well, I would say very simply,
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and this comes from many folks likeJeremy Taylor, Carl Jung that dreams come
to tell us something we need toknow but don't know in our waking life,
and they come in the service ofcreating wholeness and healing and harmony from
our interior world to our exterior world. So they're amazingly valuable. Does everyone
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dream? Everyone dreams, even squirrelsdream. Dogs dream when you see them
twitching. Some people who don't realizethere dreaming, they just may not remember
them. But we all dream,you know, people, animals. And
what is the psych physiology of adream. Well, when we sleep,
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if you put your hand on yourforehead, that's our front lobe, our
executive function, thinking, planning,etc. And when you put your hand
on the right part of your brain, that's the creative part, the intuitive
part, the meaning part. Sowhen we sleep, that part of our
brain, the policeman is going tosleep. And then the right part of
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our brain that has to do withintuition, meaning purpose, creativity, nonlinear,
putting together the pieces of our lifethat becomes activated. And that's why
in dreams, inventions have been made, songs have been written like let it
Be from Paul McCartney that came froma dream, and the creative and sometimes
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even when you think about the mysticalor the paranormal, all of these are
in that domain that the unconscious isspeaking to us, and that conscious part
of us, the critical self,the part of us that was told,
oh, it's only a dream,don't pay attention to it, that that
part of ourselves is asleep, andthus we get these images of things that
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are exceedingly valuable to be aware of. How do we actually remember our dreams?
Okay, well, the key isI would say dreams are like friends.
First, they need to be welcomed. How many times have we as
parents, our parents told us I'llgo back to sleep, it's only a
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dreamy, So we've learned to dismissthem, and we spend roughly a quarter
of our life asleep. We shouldanyway, eight hours of a night,
or even a third of our lives, and so you know, we need
to really be open and explore thisworld. So I think the first thing
is to be open to them.And I've had many people in my classes
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over the years say I don't remembermy dreams, and I say, well,
I bet you will remember your dreamand then all of a sudden,
for the first time, they remembertheir dreams. Just by being open to
them. Hmm. Interesting. Whenwe have a dream, we wake up,
the dream doesn't last with us verylong, no, And what happens
in our brain, it's first inour sensory memory. So there's a saying
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that the alarm clock is the enemyof the dream. So when we wake
up and move our arms, thatcould be enough like a fog, it
very quickly dissipates. So some ofthe keys to remember is to realize that
the dream is going from sensory memory, and to really avoid quick movements in
the morning and ideally have a notebookor pad by the table. What I
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do is put all my dreams ina word file, but that means I
need to get out of bed,and sometimes they don't have that discipline.
But a lot of my dreams arevery powerful and emotional, and the idea
is to write the date down,write the name of the dream, and
then eventually you'll see themes. Andwhat I find is that every dream that
I have, and this is supportedby the literature, is that every dream
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is going to tell us something weneed to know but don't know in our
waking life what's going on. Sothey give us a continuous dynamic kind of
backdrop and insight into things that aregoing on that we really ought to be
aware of. So how do weunderstand the meaning of the dreams that we
have? Peter Okay, I wouldlook at it is the dreams of the
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language of the artists. So ifI work with somebody with dreams, it
would be pretentious for me to analyzethe dream. And a lot of my
work as a coach is to bringdreams into the domain of coaching. And
we can work with dreams very easilyand not trying to analyze them, not
trying to say this is what yourdream is, saying what you should do,
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but just by simply paying attention toour dream or someone shares a dream,
and then to be able to say, what's the feeling that I got?
And then a question, how couldthis dream be a metaphor of what's
going on in my life? I'llgive you one example. I was working
with one woman and she was unhappilymarried, and so she had a husband
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that was, yeah, cheating onher and just abusing her and just really
treating her badly. And so onenight she had a dream and she's a
bare skin rub you know, soshe's on Olivia room forward just splayed out
like a bearskin rug, and herhead is where the bearhead would be.
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And then in the dream in comesher husband walks all over her and then
goes to the refrigerator. And sowhen she shared that dream with me,
he said, oh my gosh,if that were my dream, I'd feel
like I'm being walked over. Soif we say something like if this were
my dream, this is what comesup for me. We're being genuine,
we're being authentic, we're allowing ourintuition to speak, and the dreamer is
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truly the expert on the dream.So when we have a dream, we're
the expert. And I think it'sjust asking questions, how might this be
a metaphor what's going on in mylife? Why did this dream happen at
this time? And I still takemy dreams to an analyst. If I'm
working with dreams, I still wantto make sure that i'm working. And
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the questions I often get are whatwas going on in your life? And
it's just amazing, Oh my gosh, the clarity that I'm getting is just
amazing. Exce oor Nation. Iguess this hour is Peter Metzner, and
you can find out more about Peterat his website at Dynamic Change Inc.
Dot com. Olwen, we'd DynamicChange Inc. Dot com and I'm Rob
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McConnell. This is the X Zoneand we're coming to you from our studios
and Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada, right here on your hometown radio,
Classic twelve twenty streamed around the worldon Classic twelve twenty dot ca. Peter,
how can we enrich our dreams oror get more information out of our
dreams than we presently may be ableto do, because up until this point
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we just thought dreams were dreams.Yeah, and they're not random. When
I did a stint at the Centerfor Crave Leadership years ago, there was
they had a really neat program calledLeading Creatively, and we used a technique
where people would be told think abouta business problem, think about a problem
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in your life that you saw,and then seege your dream. So before
going to bed, to ask aquestion, so what do I need to
know? That I need to knowwhat am I not getting? And there
are some people who'd applied this businessproblems and they came up with some really
brilliant ideas. Now our mind isgoing to work twenty four hours a day,
seven days a week, and whenwe're asleep, our brain is still
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very, very active, and it'sprocessing emotions, processing the day, trying
to give us insight. And wecan also use it in science and the
arts and literature. A couple ofexamples. The theory of relativity came from
Einstein. When he was seventeen,he had a dream that he was on
a sled going down a hill andit went faster and faster and faster and
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faster till it hit the speed oflight. And then later in his life
he said his entire scientific career wasan extended meditation on that dream. And
we know about the theory of relativity, so many of us do, but
very few of us. How manyof us have heard that it was actually
the foundation of it came from adream when he was a teenager. Yeah,
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I've never heard that before. Yeah. Why are some dreams in color
and other dreams in black and white? Is there any significance to this?
It could be if, again,depending on the person, the situation,
life situation, there's a number ofways. If we look at it as
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a metaphor black and white, isthis you know what's black and white.
Sometimes you think about the dichotomists thinkinggood or bad, right or wrong,
good or evil. And then ifthere's a dream of black and white,
that's one kind of question I wouldhave. Some people do dream in black
and white, in color, somewould be either or so I think it
just would depend on the person.Nevertheless, I would still really inquire about,
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well, what is the dream,what's the message of the dream?
And it could be the color orlack of color, could be some kind
of message that's trying to alert usto an awareness or a new consciousness.
All right, I can understand,you know, children who have daily routines
they go, oh, they goplay, and they go to school and
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so on, and then the adults. I can understand that. But what
about infants. Now, I youknow, I've heard that infants dream,
and what would they dream about?Well, that's a good question, and
it's really hard because up until theage of six, everything's a download,
you know, as they're observing.So this came from Bruce Lipton, one
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of the most famous epigeneticists, thatwhen kids are up until the age of
six, they're processing and everything's adownload, and it's really hard to say,
what do they dream? Because theycan't tell us. They're in an
infant or in a nonverbal state,So what are they dreaming? You know?
Yet, throughout history, you know, when babies are born, they
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seem almost angelic, they almost seem, oh my gosh, there's just something
mystical and magical about them. Andyet because they can't talk, it's very
hard to discern what is going onin their brain. And yet psychologists and
scientists are realizing that they are somuch more intelligent and there's so much more
going on than we could that we'veever realized. Peter, we've got to
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take our break, coming up withinthe minute. But I read a report
out of I believe it was England, where they have scientific proof that even
a baby inside the mother's womb actuallydreams. Yeah, isn't that fascinating?
That surprised if well, you know, through the umbilical cord, a baby
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can feel a mother's stress, themother's emotions. And again, if you
look at dreams as a way ofprocessing emotions, is any wonder that the
baby is picking up everything that's goingon in the outer world their mother,
their emotions, as well as thenutrients, stress, and cortisols even passed,
so to me, is there anysurprise that they'll also be able to
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pick up not all of the emotions. But Peter Bond, all right,
stand by, We've got to takeour break. Exponation. Peter Messner is
our special guest, and this isthe X Zone on your hometown radio Classic
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I'm Rob McConnell. We'll be backafter this break, all right. This
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Oh every morning, just to keepa job, I gotta find my
way to the hustle, sounds ofthe city founding in my brain while another
day goes down the dream. Thankyou, but it's a five o'clock the
world when the whistles. Welcome backeveryone. The X Chronicles newspaper is now
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up running and available at www dotx chronicles dot net, and of course
it is totally one with our complimentsand the compliments of our advertisers, and
that's at www. Dot x chroniclesdot net. Peter Metzer is our special
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guest, and we're talking about dreamsof this hour. Well, this is
what a part we're going to betalking about. We're going to be speaking
about many other things, but Peter, when it comes to dreams, a
lot of people seem to have nightmares, a lot of people seem to have
the dream where they're standing up nakedin front of people, others where they're
running being chased and they don't knowwhy they're being chased. What is the
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significance of all these different dreams andwhen is it decided that this is what
we're going to dream about. Ohboy, that's a question. Well,
here's what I think is great aboutdreams. And Carl Jung said this that
we can't fool our dreams. There'sa quote I like a lot that man's
capacity for self deception is truly monumental, and yet our dreams are going to
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tell us like it is. Andthis may be a hard thing to kind
of grasp, but there's an intelligencegoing on and are unconscious that's coming out
to tell us if we're on aright track or wrong track in our lives,
and that's where they are so valuablefor healing and wholeness and gaining clarity
on the direction of our life.And if you, let's say, entertain
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the ideas that our nightmares are tryingto wake us up, that if we're,
from an ego standpoint, going downthe wrong track in our life,
then the nightmare may come up asa correction to say, look, you
need to pay attention to this,and if you don't pay attention, I
will keep on coming. These arethe recurring nightmares. And it's been shown,
and I've seen this with people i'veworked with, that once we understand
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the message of the nightmare, willnever have it again. I'll give you
one quick dream of a student manyyears ago. I was teaching an intro
to psychology class. Tuesday morning startedat nine thirty, I believe, and
there is a young lady who wouldbe asleep. She'd come in and put
her head on a desk at ninethirty and sleep. And when we got
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to talking about dreams, all ofa sudden, she kind of her head
popped up and she revealed this nightmarethat she'd been having a recurring nightmare that
she's in a car in a backseat. Her boyfriend is driving radically going down
a road. There's no guardrails,and there's this steep and she's in a
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back seat no seat belt, withbeer cans and liquor bottles and cases of
beer all around her. And thenshe teared up and she asked me,
am I going to die? Andagain, if you think about dreams coming
to promote healing and wholeness, allI said, Well, if it were
my dream, you know, I'dwant you for my dream. I think
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the dream is trying to give mea message that if I keep going down
this road, something bad might happen. And that was enough for her to
get therapy, and she did getrehabit therapy. She managed to get her
boyfriend into therapy, and eventually shegot into one of the health programs at
the college. And all of thatfrom just that one nightmare. And I've
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seen similar things like that over andover again over the years I've been chronicling
students' dreams. How would you describea waking dream or what is known as
daydreaming? Daydreaming, again, alot of that is our unconscious, So
daydream can be you know, veryhelpful. Einstein was a day dreamer.
If you look at you know,people who were very significant in history,
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they were day dreamers. You know, they'd look out the window during class
and the teachers that go get veryirritated. But daydreaming is, you know,
we're in a kind of very passivestate. We're looking out the window,
and our fantasies are often coming fromour unconscious as well as well.
So the unconscious is trying to communicateto us, sometimes through day dreams,
sometimes through dreams, sometimes through bodilysymptoms as well. All right, Now,
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there are different types of dreams.We have normal dreams that are most
dreams. They fall into that category. Lucid dreams, which are my favorite
types of dreams. We have nightmares, we have recurring dreams, we have
prophetic dreams, we have healing dreamsand epic dreams. Now why I love
lucid dreams so much is but Ican actually dream a dream within a dream,
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within a dream within a dream,and I know that I'm dreaming when
I try to read something, whetherit's a menu, a newspaper, a
street sign, a store sign,if it doesn't make sense to me,
when I'm trying to read it.I know I'm dreaming, and that's when
the fun begins. Yeah, that'sawesome. That's awesome. So I think
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that's a real gift. Some peopleare more natural lucid dreamers than others.
For me, I'm interested in it, but I can't say that I'm a
lucid dreamer. Every once in awhile I may realize I'm dreaming, And
sometimes a dream is so vivid thatI don't realize that it's a dream.
I think I really am there.But for some people it's natural, and
there's a lot of things to explore. I'll tell you one lucid dream that
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someone shared. One of my firsttalks i'd given to a society of training
professionals, and there were about onehundred people in the room, and a
woman stood up to share a dream. And she said, I haven't told
anybody this, and yet here sheis telling one hundred strangers. But she
said, I need to share this. And she had a dream. She's
in the North Carolina and in theEast Coast, and her dad's living in
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the West Coast, and she hada dream where she and her dad were
in the living room of the housethey grew up and they're sitting at the
table having a chat and a coffee. He had the same exact dream,
and then they both recounted elements ofthe dream that they both shared, but
they hadn't yet communicated, And sowho am I to say that they didn't
connect. And lucid dreaming, there'sthat element the dreamers, the expert and
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some of the places that you maybe going during lucid dreaming and learning.
It's a whole other universe that canbe explored. And people who do lucid
dream you know, they report somereally remarkable experiences. Another type of dream
that is getting more and more popularitythese days is the prophetic dream. Now,
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if the future is not certain,all right, according to according to
our good friends in quantum physics,the future is not certain, how can
a prophetic dream happen? Then?Yeah, that's very interesting if we get
into quantum physics, where you know, once we focus on a possibility,
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it becomes fixed. So a wavebecomes a particle once it's noticed. So
with dreams, you know, Iguess in history, Lincoln dreamed his assassination
the day before it happened, andhe recounted that he saw a coffin and
people mourning and crying, and inthe dream he asked, well, why
is everybody crying? And somebody saidthe president's been killed. And then he
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woke up and he shared that withhis wife and she insisted he stay home,
but nevertheless they went to the theaterwhere he was shot. So I
asked, he's now passed, buta student of young Robert Johnson, who's
written numerous books on dreams, andI asked him how could dreams be?
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And his answer is very simple,that dreams don't follow the same rules that
we follow. The unconscious has itsown set of rules, and that's why
there can be these prophetic dreams.And many of us have had them.
And sometimes the trick is how doI discern whether or not this is a
prophetic dream, right? Or dreamthat's not? And the answer is sometimes
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in a particular. So if let'ssay you have a dream you're in an
airplane and it crashes, well that'sa metaphor. Am I flying too high?
Am I crashing and burning? AmI too inflated? But let's say
if you're about to go on aflight somewhere and you have a dream and
you see the numbers on the planelike whatever X three two one or whatever,
and then you look at your ticketand there's that same number. I
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would pay attention to that, Sowould I believe me? How do we
foster healing and wholeness through our dreams? I think the dreams are going to
foster healing and wholeness no matter what. So I don't know if it's so
much that we but we're receptive tothem, that we're welcoming to them.
And if dreams are trying to promotehealing and wholeness, they're going to kind
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of alert us if we're off trackand on track. And I'll give you
one example. I was working witha very busy executive. He was a
financial person, and I was quitesurprised that he was very open at dreams.
And he would send me a wordfile of his dreams, you know,
between our sessions. And he hada recurring dream that he's in a
sports car and he's going too fast, he's bumping into people, he's hitting
to guardrails, flipping over, butthe accidents were never really too bad.
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And I asked him as a metaphor, so, my gosh, if this
or me, I'd wonder if I'mdriving myself too hard, or if I'm
really just you know, not payingattention and being you know, really too
driven, and he didn't want toentertain that. At that time, he's
going for a PhD. He hada high level job at a university.
But then a couple of weeks laterhe was in the hospital in the emergency
room with chest pains, and thenthat's where he took it seriously. And
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then after that he never had thedream again. When he started to realize
he had to kind of let goof the brottle, so to speak,
and slow down. Peter, whatstarted you on your question into a better
understanding of dreams? Well, itwas a nightmare. It was really for
me a nightmare. I've always beenopen to dreams. Again, coming from
a background in psychology, I alwayshad an attunement to human humanistic psychology and
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came across the writings of young andpeople who were in what's called transpersonal psychology,
where they looked at the whole personand to say that we're not just
our ego, this made up identity, but we have a psyche or a
soul, and that dreams are tryingto communicate in many ways to harmonize who
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we really are to this made upidentity which you may or may not be
serving us so well. So froman academic standpoint, I was interested at
an early age, but it wasn'tuntil I had my midlife crisis. And
for me, the midlife crisis wasI climbed the ladder and I put it
against the wrong wall. What doyou do? Well, there's a dream
that shows me trapped in the desertbehind a brick wall, and there's a
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middle aged guy guarding the entrance toa very lush kind of field that was
full of you know, trees andgrass and just beautiful. But I was
trapped. And then I asked aquestion, or I took that to an
analyst, So who was that middleaged guy that was keeping me from going
into a very rich life or area, And it had to be me.
Usually every part of the dream isa part of ourselves or metaphor of where
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we are. And I didn't realizethat the prison I was in was partly
my beliefs and the sense that Ihad to stay in a job that was
making good money but really wasn't wheremy heart or my spirit really was.
And so the dream, that nightmarealerted me. And that's when I realized
how vitally important they are. Andas I became certified as a coach,
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realized that, you know, dreamsalso need to be in the domain of
coaching, not just therapy. Interesting, Now, before we get to our
next break, which is coming upor very fast, a quick question during
your research into dreams, is thereanyone culture or anyone race that dreams more
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than the other? Oh, that'sinteresting, I would say indenous indigenous society.
Excuse me. Indigenous societies often werevery attuned to dreams, and so
if someone had, let's say,in one society in Indonesia, a primitive
society, somebody had a dream ofa fight with the neighbor as a result
of that dream, they'd bring theman offering to kind of, you know,
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somehow bring an offering. So dreamshave been used throughout history, and
I think what's happened in our Westernworld where we become very intellectual, we
value IQ and we really look atthe scientific method. You know, a
word like the soul, you knowsometimes it makes people very antsy. Well,
how do you measure the soul orspirit or some of the things that
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let's say we delve into or thatthat you focus on some of the things
in the pair normal or you know, the pair normal you could say is
new normal. But these things thatwe can't readily explain, we dismiss,
and sometimes because we don't have thetools yet to measure it, we become
afraid of it. So I suspectthat as we get into this very rational
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kind of materialistic society, and ifwe don't yet have the tools and wherewithal
to really put Peter or I'm goingto have to stop here. I have
to take my break. It's ahard fixed but so our ex o nation,
our guests. This is hard PeterMetzner. His website is Dynamic Changeinc.
Dot com. And I'm Rob McConnell. This is the xxona on Classic
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me an email xone at Classic twelvetwenty dot ca. We'll be back after
this break. Donk away Christmas.This is Annette Martin, Medical Intuitive and
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Psychic Detective here at www dot AnnetteHyphenmartin dot com. Wishing Rob McConnell and
all listeners and viewers of the worldwideexhonation, a very merry Christmas and a
safe, healthy, happy New Year. Oh I could time need the wings
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of the bluebird as she sees thesix o'clock girl would never What's Its Ring?
And I RAN's Wife, The SleepOut of Man Micheven Visus Cone and
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see Jee see j Jar to DJand welcome back everyone. This is the
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excellent I am Rob McConnell and we'recoming to you on your hometown radio Classic
twelve twenty and streamed around the worldon Classic twelve twenty dot ca A.
Peter Messner is our guest. Hiswebsite is Dynamic changeink dot com. And
Peter, thanks very much for comingon the show. Great talking to you
listen on Honor. Thank you forhaving me. Peter, I understand that
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you had a dream where you actuallywere able to communicate with your dad who
had passed. Mm hm, yes, you know that's that's another one.
My dad had a sudden heart attackat age fifty six. He was visiting
my sister, who at the timewas living in Frankfurt, and he had
a massive heart attack in his sleep, and we had a lot of unfinished
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business. He was a bit ofan authoritarian. I was a bit of
a rebel immature, and we nevergot to that place where you know,
we had that could have had thatreconciliation. And the older I get,
I get, the more I admire, you know, his life and what
he overcame. So I was stillin that early age. I was eighteen
at the time, and A remembersleeping on the sofa and I saw an
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orb of light in a dream,and I was an orbit of light,
and I got a sense that wasmy father. I felt his presence and
these two orbs that we came together, and it was just a lovely sense
of acceptance, of love and understandingthat I couldn't put into words. And
when I woke up, I hada distinct, you know, sense that
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we that he had reached out orwe connected, and it really gave me
a lot of peace of mind thatone that he's okay and two that you
know, I was accepted and wehad a pretty rocky relationship. But it
was really a part of my maturingand healing that came from that dream,
and so it's something that I stillvery treasure, very deeply. A lot
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of people when they have their dreams, they they usually have these little dream
interpretation books that they love to.You know, Okay, there's water in
my dream. There were fishing mydream. Okay, what does all this
mean? How accurate can these booksbe when everybody who has a dream,
the dream its contents are specifically amessage for them. Yes, that's a
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really good question, and I thinkthat can be helpful if we use them
in the spirit of how does thisplay out with all the other symbols and
all the other things in the dream. So, for instance, if somebody
dreams of a gun, for someonewho's a gun enthusiast, that could be
very empowering, a symbol of theirvalues and their freedom and their ability to
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protect themselves. But somebody who,let's say a dozen favor guns, a
gun in the dream could mean somethingvery different and very threatening. So I
think we have to be careful andlook at the context and see, you
know, if we look at allof the details, what is the metaphor
how's it emerging? And sometimes wecould look at one of these interpretation books
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and see water could mean something aboutthe unconscious, the deep sea, you
know, this sea, that we'rejust a drop in this big sea,
and that could be very helpful.Usually, animals in the dream could represent
our own instincts. And let's sayif I had a dream of a lion
that was in a cage and trappedand manging hungry. You know, I
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could think, Okay, if that'smy instincts, there's something wrong with that?
How am I trapped? And whatam I not doing to let my
instincts have free roam so to speak? So they can be helpful, But
I think we need to look atthe whole picture, everything together, and
I think, what is the emotionalsense that I get like an artist,
you know, the dreams of thelanguage of an artist. What's the overall
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message? And yes, they canbe helpful, but I would caution against
being too literal. Peter, isthere any connection between dreams and synchronicities?
Oh? I think that's another greatquestion. So synchronicity, you know,
Carl Young coined the term that synchronicitiesare these like a causal coincidences that how
that go beyond statistical analysis. Andwhat he felt is that when we're on
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the right track in our life inother words, you know, our soul,
our values, our passion or interestin all our line, that somehow
these synchronicities occur we meet the rightperson at the right time. We hear
a song, all of a sudden, we read something the newspaper. That's
just what we need to get.And the synchronicities to Young is that you
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know, yes, there is somethingoutside of us, unseen forces that impact
us, and that when we aretruly kind of open and aligned and moving
in a way that's really right forus, you know, these synchronicities occur.
I'll give you one example. RobertJohnson again, who passed a student
of Carl Young. He'd written somany books, was considered a leading analyst,
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and he said in his life hejust worked on raising his consciousness to
recognize the synchronicities when they came,and that led him to all the work
that he did as far as publishing, the education, even meeting car Young
and moving forward. But he justtried to pay attention and be open and
recognize them where they are. Andmany times they are happening, we just
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don't recognize them. So can wesay that a synchronicity is being at the
right place at the right time.It could very well be placed in the
right time, and it is aligningsomehow with our values, our heart or
maybe that So again, We oftenaren't aware of the unseen forces that impact
us, but maybe there is.There are some unseen forces that are saying,
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Okay, here's a clue. Here'sa clue, you're on the right
track. And so many times whenI started my business, I was just
ready to throw it in. Irealized sometimes it's one thing to have the
skill of a coach or facilitator,teacher, whatnot, but it's a different
skill set building a business. Andthere's so many times I was ready to
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just okay, give it up,and then I would get a phone call,
or I'd get it out of theblue, somebody who gave me a
word of encouragement, or or somethingwould come up. Every time I was
at that point of giving up,something would come up and to me that
was, okay, is this amessage or synchronicity? But it gave me
the encouragement to keep on going inthe direction I was. People have given
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me this example of a synchronicity,and I can't figure it out for the
life of me. They say thatthey have been at all odds with someone
else and then they and then thisperson out of the blue calls them.
Then they get into their car,they turn on al radio, their car
radio, and there's a song thatused to be their song. Now being
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in radio all these years, Iknow what goes into programming a song,
into into the programming of the dailybroadcast for the for the station. The
odds of this happening, in myopinion, are too great to even consider.
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Yes, so how do we howdo we how do we justify this
or how do we try and putcommon sense to something that seems not to
be common at all? And Iguess that's why the word synchronicity fits it
so well. It's an a causalevent that we can't explain mathematically irrationally.
But then yet you brought up somebodythat we had an argument with, or
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somebody that was on our mind.We get a phone call, and you
know from I remember hearing a numberof analysts say that on a soul level,
we're all connected. You know,this illusion of separateness. Einstein even
said that that this illusion that we'reseparate is really an illusion that if you
go to an energy or particle typeof approach, that we're all connected.
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We're all energy, and on asoul level, we're all connected, and
that people that were especially close toemotionally close to, and even anger would
be a close emotion. You know, we're still connected that all of a
sudden we're on that wavelength. Weknow, And there have been so many
accounts of mothers who lost the sonat war, overseas, World War two,
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the Korean War, at Vietnam War. They just knew when their son
or a loved one had died.They just knew the moment had happened.
That people that we love were veryconnected to and we often dream about them,
and sometimes it happens to so manyof us. We think about someone
and all of a sudd out ofblue, we get a call or an
email or that song comes up,and it's you know, how do you
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explain something that's a causal except tosay there's just something more going on than
we may be realizing, to beopen to the mystery rather than being the
note in your opinion, Peter,After COVID, was there a significant change
in dream patterns and the reporting ofdreams. You know, I read a
few articles and there are a numberof people who were documenting the dreams during
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COVID, and during that time,in addition to the pandemic, there was
an epidemic of depression, anxiety,fear, as well as social isolation.
And I do think that a lotof the dreams were reflecting that, and
there are a number of people whohave documented that. I, as interested
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as I am, was focusing onmy work, you know, with webinars,
you know, developing resilience and youknow, how do we you know,
build community and have healthy relationships.But I do believe that the dreams
have been heavily influenced by each ofour individual emotional states. And I think
we're all affected profoundly by the collectivethat's going on. And so I think
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if we did a search on that, there'd be some pretty interesting articles.
But yes, I think that's anarea that we could delve into more.
You know, whatever our dreams tellingus about our current times and what's the
message that we're getting collectively that weneed to know so that we can,
you know, be more considered andconscious and the decisions we make. In
your opinion, do we retain allthe dreams that we've had in our data
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bank of the mind. That's interesting? Well, I think our unconscious hypnotists
have found that memories are always there. The unconscious is recording everything and our
right brain and the unconscious. It'snot linear. And then sometimes when we
really are focused on something, theunconscious will give us what we need to
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know. In the case of themachine, let's say, for instance,
Elias Howe was stuck on how tomake the sewing machine work, and then
he had a dream he was capturedby natives in Africa, I believe,
and put in a boiling kettle ofwater, and he was tied up with
ropes and as he was about tobe stabbed by spears, he woke up
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in a fright, the fight orflight, and then he asked himself,
why did those spears have holes init? And that's the missing piece that
he needed for the dream. Sois that his unconscious or is it the
collective unconscious trying to come in andgive him what he needed to know to
finally finish that sewing machine. Andlike you said, so many people will
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go to bed with a problem andwake up with a solution. Yes,
yeah, for the old saying,I'll sleep on it. Yeah yeah.
Peter, stand by you and Ihave to take our final break for this
hour, and excellination, if you'dlike to find out more about Peter,
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Change Inc. Dot com. Peter, is there a difference between a synchronicity
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and a coincidence? Yeah? Yeah, I think that would be That's a
really good question. A coincidence wemight explain as well as just one of
these things that happened. I thinkit's a snick to me. Synchronicity is
something more profound that I'm really focusingon building my business or meeting the right
person, or and all of asudden something comes up. Like there was
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a psychologist who I got to know, and one of the synchronicities that he
had he met someone who was outof state, and he was should I
have a long distant relationship and hesaw a license plate with her initials,
and then as he's traveling, hesaw more and more signs that of something
that was alerting him to something thatreminded him of her or they had in
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common, and then to him,those synchronosities alerted him. You know what,
I think she is the one andand they've been happily married for many
many years, and they were verynicely together and many of the programs that
they do, so I would saythat's a synchronicity. A coincidence may not
be that meaningful, and maybe itis a synchronicity, but I think it's
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a coincidence that may just happen andwe don't put meaning to it. But
uh, that's interesting. I thinka synchronicity is usually tied to something we
really want or and that's guiding usto making some movement, either in evolving
or starting a new endeavor, ormaybe finding that new romantic or romantic partner,
the one that's really meant that we'remeant to be with. Can a
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coincidence and the synchronicity occur at thesame time, I think is very possible.
Yeah, yeah, I think it'svery possible. Peter. And the
information that you were kind enough tosend us for tonight's interview, you mentioned
you had a near death experience,and I was wondering if you could share
that with us. Okay, certainly. So this was when I was thirty
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and I was an a dentist chair, and I'll try to make it brief,
but I was given nitrous oxide,and at that time a friend of
mine is an anesthesiologist, and heexplained why I would have had the rest
that I did, so in essence, I was having nitrous oxide, and
I remember hearing the dentists say,okay, let's put them on oxygen,
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and I didn't respond, and thenI could see the panic in the room
and above me in my mind,I saw ten lights and I saw light
number ten go out, nine goout, eight go out, and I
got a sense that, Okay,when all these lights go out, I'll
be gone. Seven, six,five went out, and I got this
sense of being connected, this sense, oh my gosh, this overwhelming feeling
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of being connected, of understanding thatI couldn't put into words. Five went
out, four went out, Threewent out, and it was just this
incredible sense of love of the longand a feeling connection, and I was
ready to go. I didn't wantto come out. Three went out,
Two went out, and I couldhear the pandemonium, but I didn't have
any control even over my blink reflex, gag reflex, and I was waiting
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for that wist light to go out. Just before it went out, as
they're putting the defibrillators on to me, I just flew out of that chair
and I saw everything. Torssed over, emsving called, and the panic that
they thought that they lost me.And I was back, and you know,
I insisted on going home. Theyinsisted on taking me to the hospital,
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but I don't know how I prevailed. But then that was a near
death experience, and I became veryinterested in the thousands, if not millions
of people who go through it.And there's a thing that many of them
have in common. They no longerfear death, They get into altruistic occupations,
they become more intuitive or even psychicyou could say, or more tuned
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to it. And I seemed tofit what the research with many of the
models said, these are the thingsthat happened to. People have those experience
and I'm not alone. The thousandsand thousands of thousands many soldiers have had
them, and I think that's animportant topic, that it is an event,
and unfortunately, for many years thearmy treated it as a psychosist and
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try to medicate these soldiers who hada near death experience and no longer could
kill people and their wives in thearmy that they just didn't fit in.
But that goes with the profile thatafter having that, you have a completely
different frame of mind. And inmany of them, I've even seen construction
people who are really gruff and rough, you know, quit their construction job
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to work for Habitat true humanity,And if I asked them why, they
said, well, I had thismassive heart attack and almost died. Just
seemed like to be the right thingto do, but they didn't reflect that,
but they still made those changes.If people don't fear death after having
a near death experience, in youropinion, after having one, what happens
after death, that's a good experience. It's a really good question for me,
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you know, I think that inso many of the wisdom traditions.
So I became very interested what arethe different wisdom traditions teach us? And
the Tibetans, you know, theymade the most sense to me, and
they said that if you believe inJesus, you know when you die,
have Jesus in mind. And theymapped out the stages that we go to
in all the temptations, and theysaid, if you believe in Buddha,
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then fixate on Buddha. If youbelieve in Mohammad, fixate on Mohammed.
And that gave me a lot ofcomfort. So I can't really say for
what it's going to be for everybodybecause we all have different lives and some
people have had near death experience.It wasn't all roses, you know.
There were some really interesting and sometimesscary things that happened. So it may
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be different for all of us.But I think the sense is is that
you know, we're here for ashort time, a very short time.
Eighty years is just nothing if youthink about it, and yet we have
an energy and a sense of eyethat lives on. And I think is
very important to really live knowing thatwe'll die, so that we live and
learn and grow, so that wedon't have to rely in a ghost telling
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us what we missed in life.A good friend of mine in Montreal told
me this, saying that it's histrademark. You're here for a good time,
not for a long time. Yeah, that's number one. And then
I have my own little saying thatdeath is inevitable. The moment we are
conceived is the moment we start todie. Mm hmmmm. Well, if
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you think about birth could be seenas a death and death as a birth.
And what's very interesting, many peoplewho have these near death experiences they
were poured a tunnel. I didn'thave that, but many people repoured going
through a tunnel. And when somebody'sborn in a sense, that birth canal
is like a tunnel. So thebirth could be a death and that death
could be a birth. You know, both of them have a tunnel,
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and that there's a consciousness that somany people, millions, you know,
throughout history have gone through, andI think that's really important. So you
know, when you have an experiencelike that, no longer do you have
a faith. You kind of havean experience and a knowing which is profound.
You're doing research or studying shadows,and I was reading a bit on
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that and it's fascinating work. Canyou share that with our audience? Yeah,
that's it's a big topic and inessence, a shadow if you look
at individually, we all have ourshadows, and the shadows typically associated with
those repressed, scary parts of ourselvesthat we're ashamed of, and so we
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repress them. We repress them intoour unconscious and the danger of not doing
shadow work and not bringing a lightto them is that they exert a tremendous
power over our life, and theycan sabotage well we want most So,
for instance, if we only associatewith good, but we don't recognize like
these dishonest, unsavory parts of ourselves, they leak out and we can do
(52:57):
evil in the name of good.And I think the problem of evil is
is that people don't recognize when theyare and that could be the shadow coming
out that controls us, and itcould be individual as well as collective.
And so when we do our shadowworks, so to speak, we recognize
we try to bring light to it, but we have to heal and own
and love those parts of ourselves thatwe feel are unlovable, and that's when
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we become whole or integrated. AndI've heard others like Robert Johnson say that's
how we become holy. We integrateall these parts of ourselves, and when
we no longer oppress them, weno longer project them out, either individually
or collectively. A lot of peoplewho investigate the paranormal these days are reporting
multiple sightings of shadow people, andI'm just wondering if what they're actually seeing
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are the reflections of themselves. Yeah, that's a good question, and that's
something I'd be curious about. Youknow, I've read and heard accounts of
these shadow people, and I'm notsure that I can say that they aren't
there or people aren't saying them,or if we're seeing them in a dream,
if they represent shadows. That it'sa really good question. Are there
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shadow people out there? Well?In our band, we have a very
limited band of vision, and wehave a very limited band of hearing.
And beyond that, there are thingsout there that sometimes very sophisticated electronics can
pick up that we don't. Andso I'm not one to say if they
are shadows or shadow people, butI do know that when I start to
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recognize what my shadows are and onthem, it helps them be a lot
more considered, a lot more awareand able to move forward and manifesting the
things that I want to do andaccomplish. Peter, we've got about two
minutes left. What are your finalthoughts and what would you like to share
with the x O nation tonight.Oh boy, Well, I think that
all of us we have tremendous giftsand that we have a tremendous source of
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wisdom inside of ourselves, and allwe have to do really is be open
to it. And all of thewisdom traditions, you know, people found
their connection to the transcendent, let'ssay, in nature and when they're calm
and when they're quiet, it's kindof like let's say radio, with a
lot of statics speaking of radio,and that when we're calm, all of
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a sudden, that channel is clearand we all have, we all can
have access to it, and sometimesour pain, our suffering, the shoulds
and oughts and the conditioning can kindof put a barrier to that. But
our unconscious is going to try throughdreams. It's going to try to alert
us through symptoms sometimes or our emotions, and all of that is necessary to
kind of help us grow and awakenand become more conscious and considered and to
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really grow as people and to hopefullyevolve as human beings and humanity. Are
you seeing more and more people comingto you for for the for the lessons
that you teach them on how touse their dreams to help them have a
better, more prosperous life. AndI've got about thirty seconds. That's a
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big question for true. I thinkmainly through courses. I teach at one
of the coaching institutes, the Institutefor Life Coach Training. So I do
a course with a colleague and wedo it on dreams, and we've prepared
a course on shadow work as well. So right now it's didactic and if
a client that I have is opento dreamwork, then I'll certainly work with
it. But it's the client's agendawith coaching, and so I try to
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meet them where they are and ifthey are open to dreams, that can
be very rich. Peter. Letour listeners know how they can contact you
or find out more about you.Yes, thank you. So my website
is www. Dynamic Changeinc. Dotcom. And so my email through the
website is info at dynamic Changeinc.Dot com, And so I can take
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emails through that, And on mywebsite you'll also have a phone number and
a contact number, and so I'dbe thrilled. And there's also a series
of blogs in a shadow on dreamsas well that you can get through the
website too. Peter, I wantto thank you ever so much for joining
us tonight, and to you andyours a very merry Christmas and a happy
wonderful New Year. Yeah, thankyou, Rob, and saying to you
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and thank you so much for havingme my great pleasure. And that's it
for tonight, Xonation. I'll beback tomorrow night at eleven o'clock is once
again we cross the time space continuumto this place that I call the X
Zone. And the X Zone comesto you Monday through Friday at eleven pm
right here on your hometown Radio Classictwelve twenty and streamed around the world on
Classic twelve twenty dot CA for tonight, have a great one, and always
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remember, keep your eyes to thesky and your heart to the lake.
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