November 18, 2025 • 54 mins
Cullen and Mason chat with Chris and Max from Failed Sun. They chat about the band's history, their new album, and their most influential albums.
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Today, we got Failds on with us. We got Chris
and Max from Failed Son super excited to chat with
you guys. You guys are a kind of newer band
that Colin and I have been listening to recently. In fact, Colin,
I forget what show it was. It either was Furnace
Fest or maybe it was when we went to Turnstile recently,
but I remember you were wearing a Failed Sun.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I was, that's right, and I.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Don't I don't remember which one of those shows it was.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I think it was, do you remember?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
It?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Very well?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Could have been both, but I just remember like Colin
putting me on you guys recently, and it was like
one of those things where it's like, oh, like this.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Is something that we should be paying attention to.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So anyway, we reached out and you guys graciously graciously
accepted to chat with us.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So here we are.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Uh yeah, we'll obviously want to talk all things Field Sun.
But before we dive into all that, how do you
guys doing today?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Oh? Man, doing great? Done good? Yeah? Yeah, it's beautiful
evening out here in California. Just the sun's just setting
out my window, so you can't complain, Yeah, life's good.
It's nice to be allful work long word day. You go,
right there, you go. We haven't seen each other probably
like a month, to be honest, union and honest I
(01:41):
made them come over here to make sure that we
have a little bit of hang out time and to
do this.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
That's wild. So you guys come out with an EP
two weeks ago and you haven't seen each other in
more than half that time.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
That's wild. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a it's been a
very kind of like strange, tumultuous October for us. For me,
at least, I've done. I've been out of the country
and then I was traveling doing some family stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
So yeah, yeah, I feel yeah, yeah, I feel all
over now. Mason. I don't know about you, but when
these guys popped on, I was very surprised that they
said they were from from California, especially from the Berkeley area.
They kind of look like South Dakota boys, don't they.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Well they look honestly, they look like a version of
us from South Dakota.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
That's totally right, I can see it.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
You guys.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Do you guys have Midwestern roots at all?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, Because you guys look like you've killed a few animals.
I'll just be honest.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Yeah, no, but I will say we're from We both
grew up from northern in northern California, Okay, much.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
More South Dakota of California.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
South Dakota, California, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Like even like the city that we grew up in.
We were both kind of like deep in the out
skirts in the foothills area, so nice big backyards. Horses
had some cheap so you know, nice sickens fired some guns.
You know. Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
So you guys are a little more down to earth,
I can tell you.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Listen, Yeah, you know, I definitely do think a little
bit of that, like Northern California, country roots is in
a little bit of everything that we do. I say,
I love that. I love that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I will say, maybe the biggest difference between Northern California
and South Dakota because there are a lot of clearly
a lot of similarities. The biggest one from what I've seen,
because I've watched a lot of videos of northern California,
maybe the biggest one is the fact that in northern California,
a lot of people grow weed. Uh, and you know,
you don't see a lot of that going on in
South Dakota. So I'll be honest, that might be the
(04:00):
one and only thing that really differentiates the two cultures
of Northern California and South Dakota.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yeah, yeah, definitely prevalent. You know. Yeah, about an hour
north from where we were was the is the Emerald Triangle.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
So yeah, that's what's that's what they call it, the
Emerald Triangle.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
There a new plenty of people growing up that that
was their their sort of summer job was to go
and trim weed up at these you know, grows, and
come back and sell it out in the cities.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
So Colin, it does seem like Northern California might be
like the libertarian paradise.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I'll be honest. Those are the kind of.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
People that definitely will like they'll defend like trans rights
with their guns.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah. I love that kind of stuff. Yeah, for sure,
that's my that's my jam right there.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
We can I ask you guys a question.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Sure, let's hear it.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
How long have you guys owned each other?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
What was it twenty?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I think it was two and eight colon right, something
like that. Yeah, so seventeen eighteen years. Yeah, since we've
been best friends. We grew up in this you know,
it's small town with South Dakota, so like we probably
knew of each other, you know, like he so Colin's
a couple of years older than me, so we probably
knew of each other, uh, you know, growing up. But yeah,
I think we became or at least Colin became quickly
(05:20):
my best friend. Probably what two thousand and eight something
like that, so at least seventeen years.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
That's also eighteen years here.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Like Chris and I we met in like probably middle
school and really quick as friends, probably like sophomore high school.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Yeah, probably two thousands.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
That's pretty much Calin A nice story.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Yeah, yeah, I love we've been friends.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
So have you have you guys been playing music together
ever since?
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah? Yeah, we got around two thousand and five. Yeah,
I'd say it was our first our first band. Yeah,
and we've just done it kind of on and off
ever since then.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So okay, So a question for you guys, then, do
you all fight like a married couple? Because I do
think Colin and I can at this point because we've
known each other for so long, we can kind of
fight like a married couple where we're like we're we
feel secure in our relationship. Yeah, but like we definitely
like have our disagreements or like we'll definitely like piss
each other off every now and then, and we can
(06:15):
like go through that in a pretty like healthy way,
which I actually really like.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
About Colin and I.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
But yeah, do you do you all feel like you
can actually fight like a married couple.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Were like, we're more like a teasing group, Like we'll
tease each other to death, to the point where like
it might be borderline where we might hurt each other's
sneilings blows over.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I'd say it's a lot more like when you know
when ship's getting like real in any way, it's a
lot more of like a like a disappointed dad, a
lot more of the like, hey man, I'm just you know,
well I'm just a little just a little disappointed at all,
and like.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Man, you should just an off stream and when that's
trying to fix.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
H the web just just.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
All this. Max.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Were you like the were you like the sun, like
holding the light and you were getting screamed at by
your dad for not holding the light correctly?
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah, yeah, how did you know you just nailed it?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, you know, I've hung out with calling long enough
and certainly I've had a dad for long enough where
that's just a common occurrence.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
It's true. You gotta love it, So walk us through
this journey a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Then.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
So you guys started playing music two thousand and five together,
sounds like maybe a couple of different bands from it.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Sounds like, yeah, so two thousand and five high school
for us. We uh, we were in this band together
called Oh Paulo Great Man, and we eat that from
high school until right about we were nineteen or twenty
when we stopped kind of like because of just people
(07:53):
going away to college and things like that. But yeah,
we did that band for about four or five years
and it was great. We toured with it. Music is
pretty much impossible to come by now. We were very
like just kind of like a digital or like digitally
adverse people, and most of our stuff was on CDs,
(08:13):
and but yeah, we did that for a long time
throughout high school and it was great. We stopped for
a little while after that, like I don't know, mid
until like the mid twenty ten's where all of were
finished with school and we're kind of just like ruminating
(08:36):
about we all moved out to the Bay area from
where we were at, so either San Francisco or Oakland
or Berkeley area, and kind of met back up and
started playing again for a while. I think when we
first came back was in Sight. Yeah. Yeah, we played
in a band called Site Together. I was playing bass
(08:58):
and he was playing guitar, and we did that for
a while. Jumped from there to another band, little local
band called Feeling Sad that was kind of like.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
It's a great name too.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Yeah, it was very like kind of like very like
throwback two thousands, like emo rock. Unfortunately, we did that
and we were having a blast eve in that I
was playing bass again and he was playing guitar, and
right when we like we started doing shows, Covid hit
and yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Hit stride and then it just hit it and we
like alway stopped everything. We played two shows and we
played a Gilman show that was bad, yeah show, and
then we put a second show that was like a
house show in Santa Rosa actually like where we're from,
and it was awesome, and then Covid was like the
next week. Yeah, but it was all all good. Like
(09:54):
our friends started that band and now one of them
is our bass player, and we've.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Known those guys we were sixteen also, so like that
kind of allowed allowed feel some to kind of open
up in some way.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Yeah, and throughout all this the other kind of missing
piece of our puzzle. I think our drummer, who we've
also been playing music with since high school. He played
with us through pretty much all of those bands as well.
So yeah, we've just you know, I think it's really
hard when you you get really used to playing with
(10:32):
a group of people, it becomes such a kind of,
like you said earlier, like a relationship, like a married relationship.
Like you guys get so in sync with each other,
and the those like early steps of playing with new
people are just like they don't exist anymore. Like you're
so in sync with timing, and the conversations are minimal
when you're playing music. So, you know, as much as
(10:54):
we've drifted in and out and done other projects, we
always come back to each other. And in one way
or another, it feels like.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
It's nice when you can like speak that same language
that Yeah, it just feels like you can get rid
of like that awkward first couple steps you don't have
to deal with, you know, weird personalities because you just
know the other person, it's got to be pretty convenient,
is that kind of what you're saying?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Yeah, absolutely, I think you know when you there is
always those first steps of exactly like you said, like
the language of music is so specific for each person,
and getting in a room with new people is awesome sometimes,
like you know, learning you're like learning new languages and
you're all mixing these languages together, but there is something
to be said about, Yeah, the same room with people
(11:43):
who have spoken for so long and just kind of
like jumping right in and feeling the groove. Yeah, Like
like sometimes we just start playing or drum will start
playing a drum beat and we'll start messing, or like
you know, someone will start doing a joke basedline or something,
and then we'll end up playing for like a few
minutes and then walk away and be like, whoa, there
were something there that was a cool part we tracked
(12:05):
from that happened. We like build up of that.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I think it's kind of like became our own unique
language with each other. And I almost go as far
as saying as like we're almost like we're almost like
anti social about playing with other like where we've done
it with each other for so long, Like it's almost
kind of like the only music time investment that we
want to make because we're such good friends and like
(12:28):
we have like with values of being good friends and
like making it kind of work with us and being
like just music we creative together, not that we haven't
played with other people and other groups, and like Chris
is Sam is like stepping in the room with other
people is always fun and it's always good. But like
I don't know when I look back on it, Churse,
I'm like, it's been honest, like the Four always.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Yeah I love that.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
No, yeah, sure, there is something we said about that
of just like some of these bands that we know
and love are bands that just they've been around together
long enough where that's just that's just what you know
of them, and like when they when they come together,
they just kind of know each other well enough where they're.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Just like this is, this is is what's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Like Colin and I just saw Jimmy World at Furnace
Fast a few weeks ago, and you know, here's a
band that I think, Jimmy World's for sure been around
for thirty years.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Ris, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
At least thirty years, and like you think of the
and like those guys have been together for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's not like there's been member changes really or anything.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
So like here's here's four guys that have been basically
like super close for thirty years, making the same, you know,
kind of music, and at some point you kind of
realize like whether or not, like they'll have like another
big hit like the Middle or not, Like it doesn't matter,
Like they just know how to write music together where
one of them can start a drumbeat or one of
(13:57):
them can start playing our guitar riff and they just
almost like second major or second nature. You know. It's
just like you see those couples that just can kind of,
you know, end each other's sentences. It just becomes one
of those types of things, and it's really funny, or
really maybe not even funny, it's just it's really cool
to actually see that kind of relationship between people, like
(14:18):
when they're just so in sync that you just see that,
And so it's cool to hear like even a band
that like you know, for us is a new band.
You know, Failed Son is like a new band for us,
Like it's really cool to know that like that kind of.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't know what the right word is, sign know.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah whatever that that's the police, whatever that word is. Uh,
it's it's cool to see that between people. Uh it
really in any kind of like whether it's whether it's
a marriage, whether it's bands, whether it's sports. I mean
you see that like between Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski
or whatever. It's just it's cool to see that between
people because you just don't see that very often.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
So anyway, I just find it cool.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, I think like the Junior World example is like
pretty rad because like no band sounds like Jumiot World,
Like that's what makes that band right. And like you say,
you might not have a hit like that Meddle song
from back in the day, but like that's almost the
only one that they ever need kind of but like
that's a really unique, unique band. Like there's a light
(15:21):
bands that are kind of like in the same genre
or kind of like in the same lane. But like
I think we value this, like we think about this.
It's like the four of us, Like the way we
sound is because of like our relationship from our bond
and like same with bands like World that I haven't
had a lot of lineup changes and stuff like that, right,
it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Yeah, yeah, we you know, I've always said, like I
think especially now, just like age and where we're at
in our lives.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Like.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Specifically with this, like we're still we're going for and
we're you know, we're enjoying ourselves in million. But there's
always been the thing of like, well if someone if
one of the you know, one of us leaves, like
we're gonna continue on. And there's definitely like some key
people and hey, like parts of this where we're like, wow,
we couldn't do that again, Like no, we'll make something different,
but like, yeah, sound that we've created the three three
(16:11):
of us and I'd say three of us because our
bas player joined a little bit later. But yeah, it's
that language is it's just locked in.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Well, hopefully no one does end up leaving the band
or or or whatever, but if that does happen, you
do have to name it after a celestial body.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah, since you've got o Apollo and failed Sun, next
one is going to be like Jupiter and Mars or
something like that.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Right, Yeah, yeah, we've yeah, we fell into that the
negatives of being too close over right, yeah, that's the
ideas do start to circum Yeah, but it's like one
long saga of many books.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, yeah, I won't think that way too.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Part of that that makes total sense? Am I am?
I cutting out here, Mason.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, it said your It says your network is struggling.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I was gonna say, I'm starting to have some weird
situations here.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You're good though, Sorry about so.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, we could you know, belabor this point around just
like the connectedness between you guys. It's just because it
clearly is a strength of your band, and as much
as it you know, I think a lot of people
might not recognize that right away, Like it is very
clear that there's this cohesiveness in your band sound, and
you know, I think for maybe a lot of like
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hardcore heavy music, especially for like maybe bands that are
like new to certain people, they might not catch on
to that right away. But like there is something about
like there's yeah, like sometimes you like hear like a
heavy band for the first time and you're like, oh,
that sounds exactly like this band or whatever. But there
(18:06):
is like this level of like you can listen to
your band and know like, oh, there's something else that
they're trying to do here, and I think that's whatever
that is in failed Sun, Like that's the thing that
is the marker of your.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Like very long relationship with one another.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Like there clearly is an intentionality around, like a very
specific sound that you all are trying to do, and
it really is. I think the reason why we hear
that kind of very intentional specific sound is because you
all have been in relationship with one another for a
long time, and you have obviously clearly been working on
(18:45):
and been in conversation with one another to try to
figure out what is it that's going to make us
a little different than like a lot of other heavy
bands and hardcore bands.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Yeah, I thank you so much for saying on that's
very nice. Yeah. I think yeah, definitely, like you know,
in that same vein because we've been together for so long,
Like you know, a lot of our conversations is about music,
not just about playing music, but like music we enjoy
and we've shared a lot of that growing up, and
(19:14):
so like there is all of these like kind of
amalgamation of influences, but like it's almost at like a
kind of you know, it's like this like twenty five
year like Granu review where it's like, hey, you remember
when they did this guitar part and this one album
that was cool, or like hey, like the vocalists like
did these kind of things over here that was really cool,
(19:35):
or like this like fear lyrical theme here was really cool.
And I think that like all of that kind of
like builds up over time and just sort of is
like where we're at where like it flows out naturally
from all those like years and years of conversations and
this is sort of a project where we're like, let's
(19:55):
just do all this stuff that we think is fun,
that we like, that we would want to hear, and like,
you know, like I think it I am glad to
hear that you just said that, because I do. I
hope that it comes through like that, and I think
it does. But I think it does.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I think like like ourselm might have some kind of
barrier where it's like it's either your thing or it's
not like you're looking at a click with it, or
you might not at all. And I think that like
the relationship thing, like what Chris is describing, I think
it has driven that and I think like I think
like like we've always been drawn to outsider music in
(20:34):
hardcore and punk because of that, but that's not the
only thing that we listen to, and so we take
a lot of like those influences of the outsider and
like have felt always felt like that and they've always
been drawn to that, and then we try to kind
of merge it with all of our other sensibilities to
kind of just make it as unique as we can,
(20:56):
I guess, and like it really does, like it comes
off as as us and I think, like to your point,
like like I think we are driven to what kind
I say it, Like, I think we're like we're driven
to be our own sound, and like me, Waltress is
like we want to be like what's the word I'm
(21:18):
on the war like authentic to ourselves.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Like yeah, like ele know we're not.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
We might. I can probably tell you every part that
we copied off of, you know, the last four years
of our core, right, but like we're still trying to, uh,
we're still trying to like we're.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Trying to own it as our own. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yeah, yeah, Well that's what they say, they say, they
say good artists will borrow, right, I mean that's that's
just the way it is. But ripping off directly. Is
is something that the scene has seen a lot of
and it's tired and Mason and I, I think Mason
hit it on the head perfectly earlier. Mason and I,
we don't really have the time of day for bands
(21:59):
that are doing the same thing that other bands are
doing because it doesn't feel like you guys said authentic.
It doesn't feel like you're being your true selves. What
you guys do does have that something extra. It feels
more real. It feels more like it's trying to speak
(22:20):
to the listener directly and not trying to necessarily appeal
to everyone in their grandma, for which I will say
this album needs to have the police called on it
this EP because it is an absolute fucking assault. Man.
It hits so hard and it doesn't really let up.
(22:44):
And I like that the album's only eight minutes because
if it was any longer, I would probably need to
take a break. But it's that it has like this
visceral kind of reaction from me that that gets me
amped and gets me ready to go and makes me
feel how do I say it activated? I guess you
(23:07):
could say, now that sounds maybe kind of weird, but.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I think what Colin insane is nothing gets him to
back the Blue more than Field Sun.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
You know, thin Blue Line.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Baby, we don't call the cops out of here.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Literally that rules.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
That's so that's great to hear. Yeah, we you know,
I think when we did this because we we came
kind of hot off of our like our full length,
which is so funny because the full length, I think
is like thirteen minutes and this is eight minutes. So
you know, we had just kind of like he's like
(23:57):
definitely like leftover ideas and we had our This was
the first one that we wrote with our new bass player,
our original bass player. Awesome dude. He just moved he
moved away. He moved up to uh, he moved up
to Oregon, and so yeah, like we said, to keep
it going. Our friend stepped in and he actually hadn't
(24:19):
really ever played bass full like full on. He's just
kind of dappled, but he's an insane musician. He's like
an incredible and incredible drummer. He played drums and Feeling Sad,
the band that we were talking about and the Sight
that year and before that he picked.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Up the Tarrock full months ago and he plays in
card better than I already.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
He's a real talents musician. He's just one of those
guys I.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Hate those kind people, to be honest.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Yeah, well you know, I will say he puts the
work in sure, definitely sits room in place for hours
to learn. But yeah, coming off and we just we
wrote with him, and uh, I kind of it's fun
because in a lot of ways he brought in a
lot of the more and I think like kind of
(25:05):
activated Max and Richard in a way of being like,
here are some more like kind of like experimental parts,
Like there's a lot of like pedals involved in this
that like just kind of come out of nowhere to
make weird noises. And I was and have always been
in the camp of being like, how can we dumb
it down more? How can we make it more like
(25:27):
punk and like flour on the floor like dbat cave
me a music sometimes Saint Radiohead, damn it well some Yeah,
sometimes when I feel like it's getting a little too
far away, I always get that way, even though like
I don't I don't even necessarily like that's not like
my like go to music. But and I think like
the synthesis of that though like came in with like
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really just kind of like it has the assaulting like
fast just speed that I was looking for, as well
as like a room for like a lot of like
like lyrical plays, which was like fun for me. And
then yeah, it's like big sounds everywhere else, Like we
just took the guitars big and drums loud, bass, booming,
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and I don't know, it was it. I'm happy with
how it turned out. It was, it was fun. It
was a quick turnaround. I think like time of writing
to time of recording was maybe six months.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, so I think our model is always like shorter, faster, louder. Yeah,
so like like the one minute songs, minute thirty, minute
forty five, like we're always trying to part.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Now that is short and like chaoti guess we can.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And when we go play them live, we do like
blocks of them like four five at the time maybe
to kind of like make four minutes of music.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
For sure, and we have to break because our heart
is on too fast.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
And then but yeah, they do for the kind of
words that's that's awesome here that you guys like.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Hell yeah, dude, uh you know, Chris, I'm kind of
curious from your perspective, you've you've played bass. I don't
know you played in Apollo Did you say that? Did
you play bass then too?
Speaker 5 (27:11):
No, so I was no, I was doing vocals back then.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Okay, yeah that was my started.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Out playing guitar and then was kind of you know,
we were in high school, so it was sort of
like who will do the vocals sort of thing. Yeah,
and I said I will. Oh yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
You've got a very unique style. It feels harmful to
your voice, Like, yeah, I don't know if it is
or not, but man, it really does cut through the
mix and it hits with an intensity that I have
not heard in a while.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Yeah, it's I will say, like it definitely it can.
I think in the in the three years of doing
this and doing live shows, I've definitely learned to con
troll it and pare it down, sure, and do it
healthily now. But I mean like there is always, and
I purposefully there is always the like the rage and
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angst being released from it that sometimes makes me like
a little like hesitant when we're recording, because like student,
like live wise, it's all or nothing, it's just all out,
and sometimes we're in the studio and I'm trying to
meeter myself and figure out the best way to do
it without like blowing my voice out in you know,
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a day long studio session or something. But luckily, I
I will say, i've I've I think this last one
I walked away. We I had everyone else do some
like guests that come in and the balka booth and
to do some like backing vocal stuff, and I was
the only one who walked.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Away without a horse voice. So you've gotten you've got
a lot better. Yeah, you've also we forced him to
find this register. Like in the first like a couple
of months of like pointing to being like all right,
we're gonna do this for real, it was like no, Christy,
go higher, no chrissy igo, rasp her.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
You need to sound like converge, now try it.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
You should maybe do this maybe, but yeah, you know,
I think and definitely like coming back after not doing
it for so long. Like I said, the the band
where I was doing vocals that originally stopped in two
thousand and nine, twenty ten maybe, and then I just
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didn't up until we decided to start this, you know,
post post lockdown, post just like being like fuck, we're pissed.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Off.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
I miss my friends. I want to get in this
small room and just like write fast music. And I
was the first to jump in and be like, I've
got I've got a voice, like I'm ready to yell,
and yeah, I don't know, I've I've been enjoying it.
I've been enjoying it immensely, Like it's it's super fun
to be on stage and do that. I like a
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lot of like crop participation. I like a lot of
if there's a stage, I'm going to get off that
stage and be on the floor with people like and
So I really like that. And that kind of like
harkens back to when we were younger playing like house
shows and stuff. As much as we were like that.
I want to bring that feeling back into this band,
even though like some of the shows are we're doing
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our getting a little bit bigger. I want to continue
that feeling as the voice, as the vocalist of this band.
So I love it.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Since you guys have played together for a while, you know,
it sounds like there's been like multiple iterations of like
different bands that you've all played together. I would imagine
I could be wrong, tell me if I'm wrong, But
I could see you guys, like you know, you're hanging
out one day and you're just like messing around on
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a guitar and on a bass, and you know, messing
around with some lyrics, and that that's all it is, right,
Like that that could be all that it is. But
then every now and then, I'm sure you're like you're
just messing around yours hanging out, and then every now
and then I'm sure it's like, wait, that's a thing
like that where you're just like, wait, that's that might
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not be like the previous band that we were in,
or that might not be this, but like this is
a new thing, like we just like hit on something.
And I would imagine for Failed Son, and again, tell
me if I'm wrong, but I would imagine for Failed
Son like that happened at some point where you all
are like hanging out, you're maybe maybe having a few
few beers, and then you're just you're just playing around
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with some music and then something happens and you're like, wait,
like that's not that's just not us screwing around here.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
That's that's a thing and that must have happened.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So like what, like do you have a story around
that of like that that kind of memory of like, wait,
this is now a failed son.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Well yeah, funnily enough, we were wait's time we got
a shout out Connor ru Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were.
We were playing so with our old bass player. We
did a little project with him. He was writing some
songs kind of like first time songwriter, and we had
a practice studio that we've had forever out here in Oakland.
(32:23):
It's called Oakland Music Complex. Like every band from the
Bay Area practice is there pretty much. It's it's this big,
like three story awesome building. But we were there playing
with them like twenty twenty one with this band Terrier
X that he had written for and it's kind of
like just like bouncy punk songs, really bass heavy driven
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punk songs on party rock. Yeah. And he he kind
of had written a bunch of songs and recruited me
and Max and Richard our drummer too. He was like, hey,
can you just come in and like write guitar for these?
And like can you I want to make these a reality.
And specifically also because that group a group of friends,
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his group of friends that he's known since high school.
They do a Battle of Bands every year where everyone
kind of like makes their own band specifically for this party,
and then everyone comes to that party and brings their music.
So that year, it was this span Terror ex that
he'd written a bunch of songs for, and you know,
that was the first time that me, Max and Richard
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had really gotten back in a room in a while
and played music. And as we're doing these songs and
having a blast, they're super fun. We recorded some songs
with them and they're super fun. But doing it, I
think there was this kind of like just as energy
around the room of all us looking and being like
kind we're kind of playing horrorcore punk. We're getting close here,
like and then you know, I'm messing around and I'm
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writing some parts and Max is doing the same and
we're Yeah, there's definitely like those side glances where we're
like we can do this.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, I think you put you put down the bass
Connor picked it up. I had that one little riff,
remember the first song that we were on. I'm still
trying to bring it back. I want to put it
on the next release. Actually, I've been trying to bring
it back.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
For a while. Yeah, But yeah, there were a couple
of things where we were just messing around and we're like,
let's do this thing, like I miss it, I want
to do it. Let's get in and play together. And yeah,
I think it just went pretty quickly from there. The
three of us got together and started playing and put
down a couple songs really quickly, and then yeah, I
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just kind of hit the ground running and took off
from there.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah that sounds so wholesome. I love that.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Oh yeah, are you guys ready for your top five
most influential albums? Yeah, all right, no particular order. Remember
this is these are albums that have shaped you as
a person an as an artist, not necessarily your favorite albums. Okay,
so I think we should just go like back and
forth between Chris and Max. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Yeah, first you should do this one. Oh yeah, well
so I one of mine, specifically, I think like lyrically
and kind of probably maybe sound cheesy, but uh, Bright
Eyes Fevers and Mirrors not cheesy at all. Rise and
Fevers and Mirrors is one of those albums that, like,
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whenever I think about writing lyrics and specifically like creating
a vibe and creating like a tone is something that
like just like latched onto me so hard, so young.
I think I was like thirteen when I first heard it,
and like just originally like kind of like discovering alternative
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music and going down this like rabbit hole of sampler
CDs and you know, all of that stuff that existed
at that time. And I come back to it still
and I'm still just enamored every time. It's a classic.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
I think I think good writers kind of have to
tap into that thirteen year old self every once in a.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
While, you know, I think, yeah, Like I think especially
that like sometimes as an adult, like that angst that
I think does give hardcore a good drive and push
sometimes is I think that angst as you get older
turns into apathy and like the way that the especially
(36:34):
like just like current state of world current, like the
way that our information is like given to us and
we just are constantly like bombarded by things. And I
think that sometimes like accessing that little depressed, like angry
boy inside of you can like really spark some actual
good like motivation to write and do things.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
So yeah, right, eyes forever, Yeah, I love it all right,
next one, dude, I'm.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Going with this one. Oh yeah, I'm a huge Dan
Yemen fan. A lot like Lifetime Penny Black.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Yeah, and I love kid Dynamite.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Oh yes, I already said it earlier, but like shorter, faster, louder,
like awesome. I just love it so much, and I think,
like if you're unfamiliar with it, it's like just fast
power chord like punk hardcore, more on the punk scheme,
and like all the vocals are kind of like emotional
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and kind of like girlfriend rock kind of in somewhere
or not, but it's it's hard and they have like
heavy heavy topics and like it's political and like it
hits all, like the check Boxes are hard more punk,
and then like just being a fan of Dan Young
and like I just like all the guitar workisbamilies, So
like I'll pick and Dynamite also because I think it
is like one of the bands that especially myself, Chris
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and Richard are drummer like connect on and like always
connected on since probably high school because that man has
a point in some years now, but like yeah, definitely
the late nineties, yeah, early two thousands, but like.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
It's just a piggyback on that. Like I think that
like they're they do something with like this with like
hardcore pump, but also like in introducing melodies in a
way that like I really I really like and I
like I'm stuck on like this is a sonic choice,
like we wipe this the song side of it, and
like they do turns really good, which is like something
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that I think we've always tried to incorporate into like
all the music that we've done, especially in Field.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Sounds like they do you like like a turn on
the dime where it's like one song up front and
then the back half of this song and then they
like they bind them in a certain way and it
might be super musical or not.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
It might be really abrupt, but it's.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Kind of like stylistically kind of what they're into.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Yeah, for sure, it's good.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
One.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I'm not familiar at all with Kid Dynamite in particular,
but it does look like on their last tour before
they like officially broke up, that they played with Joyce Manner,
and like the way you're describing them sounds a lot
like Joyce Manner, where it's like you get like some
of the melodic stuff, but then also there's like the
(39:15):
super fast stuff that happens, and Joyce Manner does that
really well.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
Totally totally.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
If you get a chance and you're curious, go check
them out. Like they're a Philly band and they play
like they used to play shows of like the the
Church in Philly or like all that all the media
comes out of, like on the on the East Coast.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
It's actually it's it's a unitary universalist church.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, I'm I'm in that, Like I work in that
kind of world. So I'm like I'm always like thrown
off by the fact that it's a unitary, universalis church
that all those videos coming out of.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
And it's so cool. That band is like a we
guess ourselves a very di y band, Like those are
our ethics and that band very.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Much is and influence us to be that way. And
like that venue is proof that you can do it
anywhere and you should be doing it and you and
you're gonna get your hands on you know.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
What I mean.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yeah, definitely agree.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Next album, all right, I love this album specifically.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
I'm I'm kind of like jump back to some of
the albums that were like first influential but like have
stayed influential. I think kind of as a running thing
we're talking about, you know, since we've known each other
as The Roots Undo, Bicircle Takes the Square. You guys
ever heard that?
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Not familiar?
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Like two thousand and three? Uh, like SCRAMs like emo
violence stuff. They I'll never forget. I mentioned like CD
samplers earlier, but uh, this magazine amp you guys? Are
you guys familiar with that amp? They used to be
(40:59):
printed like on like black and white like newspaper paper
and like giving out for free and in the mall,
and they would always have sampler scenes on them. And
I heard this song on there, crow Quill, which is
off of that album as Roots Undo, and it's one
of the like the wildest vocals I've ever heard, and
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like the guitar is like just like so visceral, and.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Can you can you give us a brief taste of
what that what those vocals would sound like?
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Oh god, come on, come on. It's black. It's very
like in like the van of black mons, like yeah,
like very like backup throat, like choking. I remember hearing
it when I was like ninth grade, eighth grade and
just being like like actually kind of scared and being
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like what the fuck is this? I was listening to
like skate punk and like the weaker than you know,
like I'm like, what the fuck am I listening to?
This is crazy? And uh I I I think that
they specifically like kind of grew me in a direction
of learning about this like whole other like underground small
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genre of music that I had not heard. That's like,
you know, it's hardcore adjacent, but it's just like this
whole other area of all of this, like just crazy
bands that you know would exist for Happy Year at
a time and then disappear. And I kind of in
high school went down a rabbit hole of being very
into that stuff justin but.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Just just in high school really of finding those finding
those nuggets, those those bands still.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
Very much so like high school specifically, it was you know,
at such a different time. I was using Limewise. I
don't know if you guys ever used soul cy.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
No No that one. That one sounds like it's gonna
take more than just your It's it's it's going to
be more than just malware involved with that.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
I'm sure it was interesting.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
It was. It was find out about that one.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
It was a direct going up on a quick tangent.
It was a direct file sharing. The file sharing so
like you had to get people permission to download your
files directly, but there was a community around it anyways. Yeah,
as a reason I do sercotypes of Square, I highly
recommend listening to it. It's weird, but it's so good.
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I still put it on. They broke up, well, they
were like non active for a pretty long time. They
came back and released one other album. We're like, we're
going to do a lot more, and then they just
never did. But we were lucky enough to see them
when they were touring with that new album out here
like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. Wow, great, just great band Colon.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
I'm looking at this album as the roots undo. Uh
it's compared.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
To Orchard, or or or Orgid.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, like so bad you don't know your uh. And
then it's it's like if Orchid and Godspeed you had
a baby.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Oh man, that is right.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah. I'm like like, as I'm like thinking about this,
I'm like, this is literally right up our Alley Clin
and I. Why have both of us never heard of it?
Like that's that's like what's throwing me off? Like these
are both bands that we both love, Like how how
are we?
Speaker 4 (44:36):
It's kind of kind of what I like about the
like underground scene though, is that you know, there's always
more out there that you just haven't heard before.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
And especially you know when before there was Instagram and
all these different ways of Spotify, all these different ways
of seeing these things. Like these albums could be you know,
huge and influential one small sect, but like if it
didn't just make it over to that other group like
it might have it might have dined with them, right right,
So yeah, amazing, Yes, check it out if you like them.
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I agree. I think that you will love this. It's
very atmospheric and then chaotic and an atmosphere again, and
they just they try a lot of things on this
album that not everything lands, but like that's what rules,
you know.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
That's right, that's right, next album?
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Should we really hit them with these? We're stumping like
a list.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Well, we love that honestly, honestly, we're using this time
as like, you know, just another way to gain more
albums that that we haven't had sometimes you know.
Speaker 5 (45:42):
Yeah, for sure, I mean I'll go, I'll talk about it.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
I mean I mustn't joking. No, this wasn't my favorite,
so I guess, Yeah, there's a small band from San
Diego area called Dangers.
Speaker 5 (45:55):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
They have an album, it's probably their second full length,
is called Messy, isn't. It probably came.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
Out like two thousand, oh man twelve.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
We've been ten on Wikipedia.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
Ye that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
We've been We've been big fans for a long time.
We've seen a whole bunch of shows that they've played
in California. This band is like aggressive hardcore and it's
like a thinking band, like from from a from a
vocal standpoint and lyricism is is like very in depth.
It's very passionate, it's very pissed. It's like very poetical.
(46:37):
He like doesn't like he's not asking you, he is
telling you one second here what you need to you
need to listen to, uh and what you need to
maybe think about. And it's and it's cool. I think
it's a huge influence on us. And we've been like
really fortunate too, maybe not uh be super tighted with them,
(47:03):
but they've like we recorded with gentlemen as I played
with these guys before, and it's like always an honor
to step in the room, if you like. We've been
such huge fans of that band for so long and
like to kind of mingle in that realm. It's really
meant a lot to us.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
It's what we do. But h but check that band out.
Very pissed. Yeah, they were definitely coming out of high school.
The album before this before Messy, isn't it, And it's
like was just kind of this like charged like view
being like oh shit. Like I think that during that time,
like a lot of hardcore, was a lot of hardcore
(47:38):
that was like more prominent, was was going in sort
of like like a lot of hardcore, and this band
just like brought it back to like they're just pissed.
It's like like borderline like on the power violence line.
They're fast and yeah, just amazing. I love that so much.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
All right, check them out too. How about one last
record here?
Speaker 5 (48:11):
This one's a wild one. But I feel like this
was like an album we bonded over a lot when
we first started playing music. So I think it's pretty
important to stay here. Fever before the March of Flames.
Oh yeah, art Damage, Yeah, Fever before the March of Flames.
Art Damage was like with our first band, was kind
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of like that was the model, and I listened back
to it sometimes in certain guitar parts, and I I
still think like, oh yeah, like I'm pulling that, I'm
doing that it And they had this, they had this
specifically on that album art Damage. This like very like
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it was during a time when a lot of those
bands were like bigger studio bands, and they still sounded
kind of messy and like very like DIY even though
I could had like the bigger studio production, and that's
something that I've always really liked. And yeah, I don't know,
I would just stuck with.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
Me, dude, great, great album.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Great.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
I can definitely hear at least the ones I know there.
I can hear that in Failed Son, and I can
hear that in the lyricism, and I can hear that
all throughout what you guys have done. So that's great.
And I'm gonna check out those other bands I didn't
know Mason well as well, because those sound like I said,
right up our alley, all right, what would you like
to plug?
Speaker 5 (49:41):
Oh man, yeah, look, laser discs, we're doing it.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
They have well we'll hold up okay, So like the
big like record CD looking things that are like not
quite DVDs, Like you gut, what do you mean you're
doing it.
Speaker 5 (49:58):
Yeah. I think like we're in such an age where
people are like people yearn for like tactile yeah, physical media,
and like we've you know, they've kind of gone back,
like vinyls had this thing, cassette tapes that children have
had their things popping weirds. Laser discs they're still out
(50:20):
there and they are high fidelity. Someone said the highest fability.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
They would say it's the people that happen to have
a T shirt that says laser disc Right, it is.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
The format of the future.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
I've heard, Well, there might be something insider trading going
on maybe maybe yeah, yeah, but you never know. We
might press the whole collection on two sides of laser discs.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
I don't think it would take I don't think it
would take two sides.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
No, definitely as much. Well yeah, well right, because laser
discs can hold a lot of information and we only
have about thirty five minutes of music collectively for releases.
But look, highest fidelity. I think it's going to be
a hit.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
Yeah, sweet. So is there gonna be imagery involved in
this as well? Because all I want is uh is
Chris with his shirt off doing some cool some cool dances.
Speaker 5 (51:17):
Look we can make it happen.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (51:19):
You can make I love it.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
I want I want you doing like sasquatching, like the
Northern Woods of California.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, I I've got it before.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Yes, And that's not just call and saying that. That's
the lady Sasquatches that have been seeing.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Yeah, they've been, they've been, they've been moaning for it.
Speaker 5 (51:37):
Nice. Well, ladies.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
I am married and I'm a Sasquatch fan, so I
know those lady moons.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
So I'm just saying I can repeat them, but I'm
not going to. But I could because we don't want to.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
We don't want to call them right now.
Speaker 5 (51:50):
I should have won my I should have worn my
my wife has a hat. This is gone Squatching the
Squat Museum, one of the Sasquatch medium in Sana Creeds.
Speaker 6 (52:01):
Oh yeah, sweet, all right, so tell us tell us
the uh, the EP name and everything like that as well,
just one more time for everybody.
Speaker 4 (52:12):
I don't know if we actually said it anywhere throughout
the episode.
Speaker 5 (52:14):
No, I don't think so. I think we're I think
we're all avoiding it because uh it's French. But I'm
just gone with denowment it means like the final act
of all play or like the like climax of a play.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
Or a sasquatch climax. All right, we're into it. We're
into it now, sick. Yeah, go check it out. Where
do you want them to check it out at?
Speaker 5 (52:38):
Yeah, we're on Spotify, We're on band Cam, Apple Music.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
We are very available through Instagram. If you just want
to chat, send us a message. We'll answer your questions.
We like to.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Chris sat up a web store recently and you did
pick up vinyl from the last release there t shirts
and then we'll put the CD on there. We're we're
pressing them right now at the house, so love to
put those on there.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
You hit us up. You might even get one free. Yeah.
We do get things out for free quite a bit. Nice.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
I got some free stickers. It was pretty nice. I
will say. Some of the coolest designs I've seen for
shirts and stuff like that for a while.
Speaker 5 (53:18):
So awesome. Thank you?
Speaker 4 (53:20):
Did you design them?
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (53:22):
Yeah, yeah, Like when we say they it's all.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
I love.
Speaker 5 (53:26):
Everything we can so.
Speaker 4 (53:28):
I love the diving Man or the upside down crucifixed man.
I don't know what it.
Speaker 5 (53:31):
Is exactly, falling man, I love it. I love it.
It's gonna be your word next you know. Oh yeah
on other.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
People's selling like hotcakes. Right, yeah, I love it. Guys,
Thanks to Tom. This has been fun. Uh, appreciate you
guys coming on. We are failed Sun fans, and I
hope everyone else is after this because you deserve to
be listening to It's it's really not a huge commitment
of your time, everybody.
Speaker 5 (53:57):
So now he's quite short. We're just some you know,
we're just some goofy guys ripping music in a small
real most days.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
So what is there? Like eighteen minutes? That's it?
Speaker 1 (54:09):
Yeah, one Godspeed song.
Speaker 4 (54:13):
Yeah, that's right, that's right, all right.
Speaker 5 (54:18):
Some week all guys, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Wh
Today, we got Failds on with us. We got Chris
and Max from Failed Son super excited to chat with
you guys. You guys are a kind of newer band
that Colin and I have been listening to recently. In fact, Colin,
I forget what show it was. It either was Furnace
Fest or maybe it was when we went to Turnstile recently,
but I remember you were wearing a Failed Sun.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I was, that's right, and I.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Don't I don't remember which one of those shows it was.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I think it was, do you remember?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
It?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Very well?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Could have been both, but I just remember like Colin
putting me on you guys recently, and it was like
one of those things where it's like, oh, like this.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Is something that we should be paying attention to.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So anyway, we reached out and you guys graciously graciously
accepted to chat with us.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So here we are.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Uh yeah, we'll obviously want to talk all things Field Sun.
But before we dive into all that, how do you
guys doing today?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Oh? Man, doing great? Done good? Yeah? Yeah, it's beautiful
evening out here in California. Just the sun's just setting
out my window, so you can't complain, Yeah, life's good.
It's nice to be allful work long word day. You go,
right there, you go. We haven't seen each other probably
like a month, to be honest, union and honest I
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made them come over here to make sure that we
have a little bit of hang out time and to
do this.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
That's wild. So you guys come out with an EP
two weeks ago and you haven't seen each other in
more than half that time.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
That's wild. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a it's been a
very kind of like strange, tumultuous October for us. For me,
at least, I've done. I've been out of the country
and then I was traveling doing some family stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
So yeah, yeah, I feel yeah, yeah, I feel all
over now. Mason. I don't know about you, but when
these guys popped on, I was very surprised that they
said they were from from California, especially from the Berkeley area.
They kind of look like South Dakota boys, don't they.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Well they look honestly, they look like a version of
us from South Dakota.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
That's totally right, I can see it.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
You guys.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Do you guys have Midwestern roots at all?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, Because you guys look like you've killed a few animals.
I'll just be honest.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Yeah, no, but I will say we're from We both
grew up from northern in northern California, Okay, much.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
More South Dakota of California.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
South Dakota, California, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Like even like the city that we grew up in.
We were both kind of like deep in the out
skirts in the foothills area, so nice big backyards. Horses
had some cheap so you know, nice sickens fired some guns.
You know. Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
So you guys are a little more down to earth,
I can tell you.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Listen, Yeah, you know, I definitely do think a little
bit of that, like Northern California, country roots is in
a little bit of everything that we do. I say,
I love that. I love that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I will say, maybe the biggest difference between Northern California
and South Dakota because there are a lot of clearly
a lot of similarities. The biggest one from what I've seen,
because I've watched a lot of videos of northern California,
maybe the biggest one is the fact that in northern California,
a lot of people grow weed. Uh, and you know,
you don't see a lot of that going on in
South Dakota. So I'll be honest, that might be the
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one and only thing that really differentiates the two cultures
of Northern California and South Dakota.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yeah, yeah, definitely prevalent. You know. Yeah, about an hour
north from where we were was the is the Emerald Triangle.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
So yeah, that's what's that's what they call it, the
Emerald Triangle.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
There a new plenty of people growing up that that
was their their sort of summer job was to go
and trim weed up at these you know, grows, and
come back and sell it out in the cities.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
So Colin, it does seem like Northern California might be
like the libertarian paradise.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I'll be honest. Those are the kind of.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
People that definitely will like they'll defend like trans rights
with their guns.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah. I love that kind of stuff. Yeah, for sure,
that's my that's my jam right there.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
We can I ask you guys a question.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Sure, let's hear it.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
How long have you guys owned each other?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
What was it twenty?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I think it was two and eight colon right, something
like that. Yeah, so seventeen eighteen years. Yeah, since we've
been best friends. We grew up in this you know,
it's small town with South Dakota, so like we probably
knew of each other, you know, like he so Colin's
a couple of years older than me, so we probably
knew of each other, uh, you know, growing up. But yeah,
I think we became or at least Colin became quickly
(05:20):
my best friend. Probably what two thousand and eight something
like that, so at least seventeen years.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
That's also eighteen years here.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Like Chris and I we met in like probably middle
school and really quick as friends, probably like sophomore high school.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Yeah, probably two thousands.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
That's pretty much Calin A nice story.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Yeah, yeah, I love we've been friends.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
So have you have you guys been playing music together
ever since?
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah? Yeah, we got around two thousand and five. Yeah,
I'd say it was our first our first band. Yeah,
and we've just done it kind of on and off
ever since then.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So okay, So a question for you guys, then, do
you all fight like a married couple? Because I do
think Colin and I can at this point because we've
known each other for so long, we can kind of
fight like a married couple where we're like we're we
feel secure in our relationship. Yeah, but like we definitely
like have our disagreements or like we'll definitely like piss
each other off every now and then, and we can
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like go through that in a pretty like healthy way,
which I actually really like.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
About Colin and I.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
But yeah, do you do you all feel like you
can actually fight like a married couple.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Were like, we're more like a teasing group, Like we'll
tease each other to death, to the point where like
it might be borderline where we might hurt each other's
sneilings blows over.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I'd say it's a lot more like when you know
when ship's getting like real in any way, it's a
lot more of like a like a disappointed dad, a
lot more of the like, hey man, I'm just you know,
well I'm just a little just a little disappointed at all,
and like.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Man, you should just an off stream and when that's
trying to fix.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
H the web just just.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
All this. Max.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Were you like the were you like the sun, like
holding the light and you were getting screamed at by
your dad for not holding the light correctly?
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah, yeah, how did you know you just nailed it?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, you know, I've hung out with calling long enough
and certainly I've had a dad for long enough where
that's just a common occurrence.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
It's true. You gotta love it, So walk us through
this journey a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Then.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
So you guys started playing music two thousand and five together,
sounds like maybe a couple of different bands from it.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Sounds like, yeah, so two thousand and five high school
for us. We uh, we were in this band together
called Oh Paulo Great Man, and we eat that from
high school until right about we were nineteen or twenty
when we stopped kind of like because of just people
(07:53):
going away to college and things like that. But yeah,
we did that band for about four or five years
and it was great. We toured with it. Music is
pretty much impossible to come by now. We were very
like just kind of like a digital or like digitally
adverse people, and most of our stuff was on CDs,
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and but yeah, we did that for a long time
throughout high school and it was great. We stopped for
a little while after that, like I don't know, mid
until like the mid twenty ten's where all of were
finished with school and we're kind of just like ruminating
(08:36):
about we all moved out to the Bay area from
where we were at, so either San Francisco or Oakland
or Berkeley area, and kind of met back up and
started playing again for a while. I think when we
first came back was in Sight. Yeah. Yeah, we played
in a band called Site Together. I was playing bass
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and he was playing guitar, and we did that for
a while. Jumped from there to another band, little local
band called Feeling Sad that was kind of like.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
It's a great name too.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Yeah, it was very like kind of like very like
throwback two thousands, like emo rock. Unfortunately, we did that
and we were having a blast eve in that I
was playing bass again and he was playing guitar, and
right when we like we started doing shows, Covid hit
and yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Hit stride and then it just hit it and we
like alway stopped everything. We played two shows and we
played a Gilman show that was bad, yeah show, and
then we put a second show that was like a
house show in Santa Rosa actually like where we're from,
and it was awesome, and then Covid was like the
next week. Yeah, but it was all all good. Like
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our friends started that band and now one of them
is our bass player, and we've.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Known those guys we were sixteen also, so like that
kind of allowed allowed feel some to kind of open
up in some way.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Yeah, and throughout all this the other kind of missing
piece of our puzzle. I think our drummer, who we've
also been playing music with since high school. He played
with us through pretty much all of those bands as well.
So yeah, we've just you know, I think it's really
hard when you you get really used to playing with
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a group of people, it becomes such a kind of,
like you said earlier, like a relationship, like a married relationship.
Like you guys get so in sync with each other,
and the those like early steps of playing with new
people are just like they don't exist anymore. Like you're
so in sync with timing, and the conversations are minimal
when you're playing music. So, you know, as much as
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we've drifted in and out and done other projects, we
always come back to each other. And in one way
or another, it feels like.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
It's nice when you can like speak that same language
that Yeah, it just feels like you can get rid
of like that awkward first couple steps you don't have
to deal with, you know, weird personalities because you just
know the other person, it's got to be pretty convenient,
is that kind of what you're saying?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Yeah, absolutely, I think you know when you there is
always those first steps of exactly like you said, like
the language of music is so specific for each person,
and getting in a room with new people is awesome sometimes,
like you know, learning you're like learning new languages and
you're all mixing these languages together, but there is something
to be said about, Yeah, the same room with people
(11:43):
who have spoken for so long and just kind of
like jumping right in and feeling the groove. Yeah, Like
like sometimes we just start playing or drum will start
playing a drum beat and we'll start messing, or like
you know, someone will start doing a joke basedline or something,
and then we'll end up playing for like a few
minutes and then walk away and be like, whoa, there
were something there that was a cool part we tracked
(12:05):
from that happened. We like build up of that.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I think it's kind of like became our own unique
language with each other. And I almost go as far
as saying as like we're almost like we're almost like
anti social about playing with other like where we've done
it with each other for so long, Like it's almost
kind of like the only music time investment that we
want to make because we're such good friends and like
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we have like with values of being good friends and
like making it kind of work with us and being
like just music we creative together, not that we haven't
played with other people and other groups, and like Chris
is Sam is like stepping in the room with other
people is always fun and it's always good. But like
I don't know when I look back on it, Churse,
I'm like, it's been honest, like the Four always.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Yeah I love that.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
No, yeah, sure, there is something we said about that
of just like some of these bands that we know
and love are bands that just they've been around together
long enough where that's just that's just what you know
of them, and like when they when they come together,
they just kind of know each other well enough where they're.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Just like this is, this is is what's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Like Colin and I just saw Jimmy World at Furnace
Fast a few weeks ago, and you know, here's a
band that I think, Jimmy World's for sure been around
for thirty years.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Ris, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
At least thirty years, and like you think of the
and like those guys have been together for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's not like there's been member changes really or anything.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
So like here's here's four guys that have been basically
like super close for thirty years, making the same, you know,
kind of music, and at some point you kind of
realize like whether or not, like they'll have like another
big hit like the Middle or not, Like it doesn't matter,
Like they just know how to write music together where
one of them can start a drumbeat or one of
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them can start playing our guitar riff and they just
almost like second major or second nature. You know. It's
just like you see those couples that just can kind of,
you know, end each other's sentences. It just becomes one
of those types of things, and it's really funny, or
really maybe not even funny, it's just it's really cool
to actually see that kind of relationship between people, like
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when they're just so in sync that you just see that,
And so it's cool to hear like even a band
that like you know, for us is a new band.
You know, Failed Son is like a new band for us,
Like it's really cool to know that like that kind of.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't know what the right word is, sign know.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah whatever that that's the police, whatever that word is. Uh,
it's it's cool to see that between people. Uh it
really in any kind of like whether it's whether it's
a marriage, whether it's bands, whether it's sports. I mean
you see that like between Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski
or whatever. It's just it's cool to see that between
people because you just don't see that very often.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
So anyway, I just find it cool.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, I think like the Junior World example is like
pretty rad because like no band sounds like Jumiot World,
Like that's what makes that band right. And like you say,
you might not have a hit like that Meddle song
from back in the day, but like that's almost the
only one that they ever need kind of but like
that's a really unique, unique band. Like there's a light
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bands that are kind of like in the same genre
or kind of like in the same lane. But like
I think we value this, like we think about this.
It's like the four of us, Like the way we
sound is because of like our relationship from our bond
and like same with bands like World that I haven't
had a lot of lineup changes and stuff like that, right,
it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Yeah, yeah, we you know, I've always said, like I
think especially now, just like age and where we're at
in our lives.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Like.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Specifically with this, like we're still we're going for and
we're you know, we're enjoying ourselves in million. But there's
always been the thing of like, well if someone if
one of the you know, one of us leaves, like
we're gonna continue on. And there's definitely like some key
people and hey, like parts of this where we're like, wow,
we couldn't do that again, Like no, we'll make something different,
but like, yeah, sound that we've created the three three
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of us and I'd say three of us because our
bas player joined a little bit later. But yeah, it's
that language is it's just locked in.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Well, hopefully no one does end up leaving the band
or or or whatever, but if that does happen, you
do have to name it after a celestial body.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah, since you've got o Apollo and failed Sun, next
one is going to be like Jupiter and Mars or
something like that.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Right, Yeah, yeah, we've yeah, we fell into that the
negatives of being too close over right, yeah, that's the
ideas do start to circum Yeah, but it's like one
long saga of many books.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, yeah, I won't think that way too.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Part of that that makes total sense? Am I am?
I cutting out here, Mason.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, it said your It says your network is struggling.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I was gonna say, I'm starting to have some weird
situations here.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You're good though, Sorry about so.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, we could you know, belabor this point around just
like the connectedness between you guys. It's just because it
clearly is a strength of your band, and as much
as it you know, I think a lot of people
might not recognize that right away, Like it is very
clear that there's this cohesiveness in your band sound, and
you know, I think for maybe a lot of like
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hardcore heavy music, especially for like maybe bands that are
like new to certain people, they might not catch on
to that right away. But like there is something about
like there's yeah, like sometimes you like hear like a
heavy band for the first time and you're like, oh,
that sounds exactly like this band or whatever. But there
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is like this level of like you can listen to
your band and know like, oh, there's something else that
they're trying to do here, and I think that's whatever
that is in failed Sun, Like that's the thing that
is the marker of your.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Like very long relationship with one another.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Like there clearly is an intentionality around, like a very
specific sound that you all are trying to do, and
it really is. I think the reason why we hear
that kind of very intentional specific sound is because you
all have been in relationship with one another for a
long time, and you have obviously clearly been working on
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and been in conversation with one another to try to
figure out what is it that's going to make us
a little different than like a lot of other heavy
bands and hardcore bands.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Yeah, I thank you so much for saying on that's
very nice. Yeah. I think yeah, definitely, like you know,
in that same vein because we've been together for so long,
Like you know, a lot of our conversations is about music,
not just about playing music, but like music we enjoy
and we've shared a lot of that growing up, and
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so like there is all of these like kind of
amalgamation of influences, but like it's almost at like a
kind of you know, it's like this like twenty five
year like Granu review where it's like, hey, you remember
when they did this guitar part and this one album
that was cool, or like hey, like the vocalists like
did these kind of things over here that was really cool,
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or like this like fear lyrical theme here was really cool.
And I think that like all of that kind of
like builds up over time and just sort of is
like where we're at where like it flows out naturally
from all those like years and years of conversations and
this is sort of a project where we're like, let's
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just do all this stuff that we think is fun,
that we like, that we would want to hear, and like,
you know, like I think it I am glad to
hear that you just said that, because I do. I
hope that it comes through like that, and I think
it does. But I think it does.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I think like like ourselm might have some kind of
barrier where it's like it's either your thing or it's
not like you're looking at a click with it, or
you might not at all. And I think that like
the relationship thing, like what Chris is describing, I think
it has driven that and I think like I think
like like we've always been drawn to outsider music in
(20:34):
hardcore and punk because of that, but that's not the
only thing that we listen to, and so we take
a lot of like those influences of the outsider and
like have felt always felt like that and they've always
been drawn to that, and then we try to kind
of merge it with all of our other sensibilities to
kind of just make it as unique as we can,
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I guess, and like it really does, like it comes
off as as us and I think, like to your point,
like like I think we are driven to what kind
I say it, Like, I think we're like we're driven
to be our own sound, and like me, Waltress is
like we want to be like what's the word I'm
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on the war like authentic to ourselves.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Like yeah, like ele know we're not.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
We might. I can probably tell you every part that
we copied off of, you know, the last four years
of our core, right, but like we're still trying to, uh,
we're still trying to like we're.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Trying to own it as our own. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yeah, yeah, Well that's what they say, they say, they
say good artists will borrow, right, I mean that's that's
just the way it is. But ripping off directly. Is
is something that the scene has seen a lot of
and it's tired and Mason and I, I think Mason
hit it on the head perfectly earlier. Mason and I,
we don't really have the time of day for bands
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that are doing the same thing that other bands are
doing because it doesn't feel like you guys said authentic.
It doesn't feel like you're being your true selves. What
you guys do does have that something extra. It feels
more real. It feels more like it's trying to speak
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to the listener directly and not trying to necessarily appeal
to everyone in their grandma, for which I will say
this album needs to have the police called on it
this EP because it is an absolute fucking assault. Man.
It hits so hard and it doesn't really let up.
(22:44):
And I like that the album's only eight minutes because
if it was any longer, I would probably need to
take a break. But it's that it has like this
visceral kind of reaction from me that that gets me
amped and gets me ready to go and makes me
feel how do I say it activated? I guess you
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could say, now that sounds maybe kind of weird, but.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I think what Colin insane is nothing gets him to
back the Blue more than Field Sun.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
You know, thin Blue Line.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Baby, we don't call the cops out of here.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Literally that rules.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
That's so that's great to hear. Yeah, we you know,
I think when we did this because we we came
kind of hot off of our like our full length,
which is so funny because the full length, I think
is like thirteen minutes and this is eight minutes. So
you know, we had just kind of like he's like
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definitely like leftover ideas and we had our This was
the first one that we wrote with our new bass player,
our original bass player. Awesome dude. He just moved he
moved away. He moved up to uh, he moved up
to Oregon, and so yeah, like we said, to keep
it going. Our friend stepped in and he actually hadn't
(24:19):
really ever played bass full like full on. He's just
kind of dappled, but he's an insane musician. He's like
an incredible and incredible drummer. He played drums and Feeling Sad,
the band that we were talking about and the Sight
that year and before that he picked.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Up the Tarrock full months ago and he plays in
card better than I already.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
He's a real talents musician. He's just one of those
guys I.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Hate those kind people, to be honest.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Yeah, well you know, I will say he puts the
work in sure, definitely sits room in place for hours
to learn. But yeah, coming off and we just we
wrote with him, and uh, I kind of it's fun
because in a lot of ways he brought in a
lot of the more and I think like kind of
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activated Max and Richard in a way of being like,
here are some more like kind of like experimental parts,
Like there's a lot of like pedals involved in this
that like just kind of come out of nowhere to
make weird noises. And I was and have always been
in the camp of being like, how can we dumb
it down more? How can we make it more like
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punk and like flour on the floor like dbat cave
me a music sometimes Saint Radiohead, damn it well some Yeah,
sometimes when I feel like it's getting a little too
far away, I always get that way, even though like
I don't I don't even necessarily like that's not like
my like go to music. But and I think like
the synthesis of that though like came in with like
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really just kind of like it has the assaulting like
fast just speed that I was looking for, as well
as like a room for like a lot of like
like lyrical plays, which was like fun for me. And
then yeah, it's like big sounds everywhere else, Like we
just took the guitars big and drums loud, bass, booming,
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and I don't know, it was it. I'm happy with
how it turned out. It was, it was fun. It
was a quick turnaround. I think like time of writing
to time of recording was maybe six months.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, so I think our model is always like shorter, faster, louder. Yeah,
so like like the one minute songs, minute thirty, minute
forty five, like we're always trying to part.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Now that is short and like chaoti guess we can.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And when we go play them live, we do like
blocks of them like four five at the time maybe
to kind of like make four minutes of music.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
For sure, and we have to break because our heart
is on too fast.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
And then but yeah, they do for the kind of
words that's that's awesome here that you guys like.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Hell yeah, dude, uh you know, Chris, I'm kind of
curious from your perspective, you've you've played bass. I don't
know you played in Apollo Did you say that? Did
you play bass then too?
Speaker 5 (27:11):
No, so I was no, I was doing vocals back then.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Okay, yeah that was my started.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Out playing guitar and then was kind of you know,
we were in high school, so it was sort of
like who will do the vocals sort of thing. Yeah,
and I said I will. Oh yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
You've got a very unique style. It feels harmful to
your voice, Like, yeah, I don't know if it is
or not, but man, it really does cut through the
mix and it hits with an intensity that I have
not heard in a while.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Yeah, it's I will say, like it definitely it can.
I think in the in the three years of doing
this and doing live shows, I've definitely learned to con
troll it and pare it down, sure, and do it
healthily now. But I mean like there is always, and
I purposefully there is always the like the rage and
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angst being released from it that sometimes makes me like
a little like hesitant when we're recording, because like student,
like live wise, it's all or nothing, it's just all out,
and sometimes we're in the studio and I'm trying to
meeter myself and figure out the best way to do
it without like blowing my voice out in you know,
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a day long studio session or something. But luckily, I
I will say, i've I've I think this last one
I walked away. We I had everyone else do some
like guests that come in and the balka booth and
to do some like backing vocal stuff, and I was
the only one who walked.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Away without a horse voice. So you've gotten you've got
a lot better. Yeah, you've also we forced him to
find this register. Like in the first like a couple
of months of like pointing to being like all right,
we're gonna do this for real, it was like no, Christy,
go higher, no chrissy igo, rasp her.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
You need to sound like converge, now try it.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
You should maybe do this maybe, but yeah, you know,
I think and definitely like coming back after not doing
it for so long. Like I said, the the band
where I was doing vocals that originally stopped in two
thousand and nine, twenty ten maybe, and then I just
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didn't up until we decided to start this, you know,
post post lockdown, post just like being like fuck, we're pissed.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Off.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
I miss my friends. I want to get in this
small room and just like write fast music. And I
was the first to jump in and be like, I've
got I've got a voice, like I'm ready to yell,
and yeah, I don't know, I've I've been enjoying it.
I've been enjoying it immensely, Like it's it's super fun
to be on stage and do that. I like a
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lot of like crop participation. I like a lot of
if there's a stage, I'm going to get off that
stage and be on the floor with people like and
So I really like that. And that kind of like
harkens back to when we were younger playing like house
shows and stuff. As much as we were like that.
I want to bring that feeling back into this band,
even though like some of the shows are we're doing
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our getting a little bit bigger. I want to continue
that feeling as the voice, as the vocalist of this band.
So I love it.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Since you guys have played together for a while, you know,
it sounds like there's been like multiple iterations of like
different bands that you've all played together. I would imagine
I could be wrong, tell me if I'm wrong, But
I could see you guys, like you know, you're hanging
out one day and you're just like messing around on
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a guitar and on a bass, and you know, messing
around with some lyrics, and that that's all it is, right,
Like that that could be all that it is. But
then every now and then, I'm sure you're like you're
just messing around yours hanging out, and then every now
and then I'm sure it's like, wait, that's a thing
like that where you're just like, wait, that's that might
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not be like the previous band that we were in,
or that might not be this, but like this is
a new thing, like we just like hit on something.
And I would imagine for Failed Son, and again, tell
me if I'm wrong, but I would imagine for Failed
Son like that happened at some point where you all
are like hanging out, you're maybe maybe having a few
few beers, and then you're just you're just playing around
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with some music and then something happens and you're like, wait,
like that's not that's just not us screwing around here.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
That's that's a thing and that must have happened.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So like what, like do you have a story around
that of like that that kind of memory of like, wait,
this is now a failed son.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Well yeah, funnily enough, we were wait's time we got
a shout out Connor ru Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were.
We were playing so with our old bass player. We
did a little project with him. He was writing some
songs kind of like first time songwriter, and we had
a practice studio that we've had forever out here in Oakland.
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It's called Oakland Music Complex. Like every band from the
Bay Area practice is there pretty much. It's it's this big,
like three story awesome building. But we were there playing
with them like twenty twenty one with this band Terrier
X that he had written for and it's kind of
like just like bouncy punk songs, really bass heavy driven
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punk songs on party rock. Yeah. And he he kind
of had written a bunch of songs and recruited me
and Max and Richard our drummer too. He was like, hey,
can you just come in and like write guitar for these?
And like can you I want to make these a reality.
And specifically also because that group a group of friends,
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his group of friends that he's known since high school.
They do a Battle of Bands every year where everyone
kind of like makes their own band specifically for this party,
and then everyone comes to that party and brings their music.
So that year, it was this span Terror ex that
he'd written a bunch of songs for, and you know,
that was the first time that me, Max and Richard
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had really gotten back in a room in a while
and played music. And as we're doing these songs and
having a blast, they're super fun. We recorded some songs
with them and they're super fun. But doing it, I
think there was this kind of like just as energy
around the room of all us looking and being like
kind we're kind of playing horrorcore punk. We're getting close here,
like and then you know, I'm messing around and I'm
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writing some parts and Max is doing the same and
we're Yeah, there's definitely like those side glances where we're
like we can do this.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, I think you put you put down the bass
Connor picked it up. I had that one little riff,
remember the first song that we were on. I'm still
trying to bring it back. I want to put it
on the next release. Actually, I've been trying to bring
it back.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
For a while. Yeah, But yeah, there were a couple
of things where we were just messing around and we're like,
let's do this thing, like I miss it, I want
to do it. Let's get in and play together. And yeah,
I think it just went pretty quickly from there. The
three of us got together and started playing and put
down a couple songs really quickly, and then yeah, I
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just kind of hit the ground running and took off
from there.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah that sounds so wholesome. I love that.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Oh yeah, are you guys ready for your top five
most influential albums? Yeah, all right, no particular order. Remember
this is these are albums that have shaped you as
a person an as an artist, not necessarily your favorite albums. Okay,
so I think we should just go like back and
forth between Chris and Max. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Yeah, first you should do this one. Oh yeah, well
so I one of mine, specifically, I think like lyrically
and kind of probably maybe sound cheesy, but uh, Bright
Eyes Fevers and Mirrors not cheesy at all. Rise and
Fevers and Mirrors is one of those albums that, like,
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whenever I think about writing lyrics and specifically like creating
a vibe and creating like a tone is something that
like just like latched onto me so hard, so young.
I think I was like thirteen when I first heard it,
and like just originally like kind of like discovering alternative
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music and going down this like rabbit hole of sampler
CDs and you know, all of that stuff that existed
at that time. And I come back to it still
and I'm still just enamored every time. It's a classic.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
I think I think good writers kind of have to
tap into that thirteen year old self every once in a.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
While, you know, I think, yeah, Like I think especially
that like sometimes as an adult, like that angst that
I think does give hardcore a good drive and push
sometimes is I think that angst as you get older
turns into apathy and like the way that the especially
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like just like current state of world current, like the
way that our information is like given to us and
we just are constantly like bombarded by things. And I
think that sometimes like accessing that little depressed, like angry
boy inside of you can like really spark some actual
good like motivation to write and do things.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
So yeah, right, eyes forever, Yeah, I love it all right,
next one, dude, I'm.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Going with this one. Oh yeah, I'm a huge Dan
Yemen fan. A lot like Lifetime Penny Black.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Yeah, and I love kid Dynamite.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Oh yes, I already said it earlier, but like shorter, faster, louder,
like awesome. I just love it so much, and I think,
like if you're unfamiliar with it, it's like just fast
power chord like punk hardcore, more on the punk scheme,
and like all the vocals are kind of like emotional
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and kind of like girlfriend rock kind of in somewhere
or not, but it's it's hard and they have like
heavy heavy topics and like it's political and like it
hits all, like the check Boxes are hard more punk,
and then like just being a fan of Dan Young
and like I just like all the guitar workisbamilies, So
like I'll pick and Dynamite also because I think it
is like one of the bands that especially myself, Chris
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and Richard are drummer like connect on and like always
connected on since probably high school because that man has
a point in some years now, but like yeah, definitely
the late nineties, yeah, early two thousands, but like.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
It's just a piggyback on that. Like I think that
like they're they do something with like this with like
hardcore pump, but also like in introducing melodies in a
way that like I really I really like and I
like I'm stuck on like this is a sonic choice,
like we wipe this the song side of it, and
like they do turns really good, which is like something
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that I think we've always tried to incorporate into like
all the music that we've done, especially in Field.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Sounds like they do you like like a turn on
the dime where it's like one song up front and
then the back half of this song and then they
like they bind them in a certain way and it
might be super musical or not.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
It might be really abrupt, but it's.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Kind of like stylistically kind of what they're into.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Yeah, for sure, it's good.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
One.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I'm not familiar at all with Kid Dynamite in particular,
but it does look like on their last tour before
they like officially broke up, that they played with Joyce Manner,
and like the way you're describing them sounds a lot
like Joyce Manner, where it's like you get like some
of the melodic stuff, but then also there's like the
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super fast stuff that happens, and Joyce Manner does that
really well.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
Totally totally.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
If you get a chance and you're curious, go check
them out. Like they're a Philly band and they play
like they used to play shows of like the the
Church in Philly or like all that all the media
comes out of, like on the on the East Coast.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
It's actually it's it's a unitary universalist church.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, I'm I'm in that, Like I work in that
kind of world. So I'm like I'm always like thrown
off by the fact that it's a unitary, universalis church
that all those videos coming out of.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
And it's so cool. That band is like a we
guess ourselves a very di y band, Like those are
our ethics and that band very.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Much is and influence us to be that way. And
like that venue is proof that you can do it
anywhere and you should be doing it and you and
you're gonna get your hands on you know.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
What I mean.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yeah, definitely agree.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Next album, all right, I love this album specifically.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
I'm I'm kind of like jump back to some of
the albums that were like first influential but like have
stayed influential. I think kind of as a running thing
we're talking about, you know, since we've known each other
as The Roots Undo, Bicircle Takes the Square. You guys
ever heard that?
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Not familiar?
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Like two thousand and three? Uh, like SCRAMs like emo
violence stuff. They I'll never forget. I mentioned like CD
samplers earlier, but uh, this magazine amp you guys? Are
you guys familiar with that amp? They used to be
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printed like on like black and white like newspaper paper
and like giving out for free and in the mall,
and they would always have sampler scenes on them. And
I heard this song on there, crow Quill, which is
off of that album as Roots Undo, and it's one
of the like the wildest vocals I've ever heard, and
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like the guitar is like just like so visceral, and.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Can you can you give us a brief taste of
what that what those vocals would sound like?
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Oh god, come on, come on. It's black. It's very
like in like the van of black mons, like yeah,
like very like backup throat, like choking. I remember hearing
it when I was like ninth grade, eighth grade and
just being like like actually kind of scared and being
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like what the fuck is this? I was listening to
like skate punk and like the weaker than you know,
like I'm like, what the fuck am I listening to?
This is crazy? And uh I I I think that
they specifically like kind of grew me in a direction
of learning about this like whole other like underground small
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genre of music that I had not heard. That's like,
you know, it's hardcore adjacent, but it's just like this
whole other area of all of this, like just crazy
bands that you know would exist for Happy Year at
a time and then disappear. And I kind of in
high school went down a rabbit hole of being very
into that stuff justin but.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Just just in high school really of finding those finding
those nuggets, those those bands still.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
Very much so like high school specifically, it was you know,
at such a different time. I was using Limewise. I
don't know if you guys ever used soul cy.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
No No that one. That one sounds like it's gonna
take more than just your It's it's it's going to
be more than just malware involved with that.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
I'm sure it was interesting.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
It was. It was find out about that one.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
It was a direct going up on a quick tangent.
It was a direct file sharing. The file sharing so
like you had to get people permission to download your
files directly, but there was a community around it anyways. Yeah,
as a reason I do sercotypes of Square, I highly
recommend listening to it. It's weird, but it's so good.
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I still put it on. They broke up, well, they
were like non active for a pretty long time. They
came back and released one other album. We're like, we're
going to do a lot more, and then they just
never did. But we were lucky enough to see them
when they were touring with that new album out here
like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. Wow, great, just great band Colon.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
I'm looking at this album as the roots undo. Uh
it's compared.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
To Orchard, or or or Orgid.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, like so bad you don't know your uh. And
then it's it's like if Orchid and Godspeed you had
a baby.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Oh man, that is right.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah. I'm like like, as I'm like thinking about this,
I'm like, this is literally right up our Alley Clin
and I. Why have both of us never heard of it?
Like that's that's like what's throwing me off? Like these
are both bands that we both love, Like how how
are we?
Speaker 4 (44:36):
It's kind of kind of what I like about the
like underground scene though, is that you know, there's always
more out there that you just haven't heard before.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
And especially you know when before there was Instagram and
all these different ways of Spotify, all these different ways
of seeing these things. Like these albums could be you know,
huge and influential one small sect, but like if it
didn't just make it over to that other group like
it might have it might have dined with them, right right,
So yeah, amazing, Yes, check it out if you like them.
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I agree. I think that you will love this. It's
very atmospheric and then chaotic and an atmosphere again, and
they just they try a lot of things on this
album that not everything lands, but like that's what rules,
you know.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
That's right, that's right, next album?
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Should we really hit them with these? We're stumping like
a list.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Well, we love that honestly, honestly, we're using this time
as like, you know, just another way to gain more
albums that that we haven't had sometimes you know.
Speaker 5 (45:42):
Yeah, for sure, I mean I'll go, I'll talk about it.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
I mean I mustn't joking. No, this wasn't my favorite,
so I guess, Yeah, there's a small band from San
Diego area called Dangers.
Speaker 5 (45:55):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
They have an album, it's probably their second full length,
is called Messy, isn't. It probably came.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
Out like two thousand, oh man twelve.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
We've been ten on Wikipedia.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
Ye that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
We've been We've been big fans for a long time.
We've seen a whole bunch of shows that they've played
in California. This band is like aggressive hardcore and it's
like a thinking band, like from from a from a
vocal standpoint and lyricism is is like very in depth.
It's very passionate, it's very pissed. It's like very poetical.
(46:37):
He like doesn't like he's not asking you, he is
telling you one second here what you need to you
need to listen to, uh and what you need to
maybe think about. And it's and it's cool. I think
it's a huge influence on us. And we've been like
really fortunate too, maybe not uh be super tighted with them,
(47:03):
but they've like we recorded with gentlemen as I played
with these guys before, and it's like always an honor
to step in the room, if you like. We've been
such huge fans of that band for so long and
like to kind of mingle in that realm. It's really
meant a lot to us.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
It's what we do. But h but check that band out.
Very pissed. Yeah, they were definitely coming out of high school.
The album before this before Messy, isn't it, And it's
like was just kind of this like charged like view
being like oh shit. Like I think that during that time,
like a lot of hardcore, was a lot of hardcore
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that was like more prominent, was was going in sort
of like like a lot of hardcore, and this band
just like brought it back to like they're just pissed.
It's like like borderline like on the power violence line.
They're fast and yeah, just amazing. I love that so much.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
All right, check them out too. How about one last
record here?
Speaker 5 (48:11):
This one's a wild one. But I feel like this
was like an album we bonded over a lot when
we first started playing music. So I think it's pretty
important to stay here. Fever before the March of Flames.
Oh yeah, art Damage, Yeah, Fever before the March of Flames.
Art Damage was like with our first band, was kind
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of like that was the model, and I listened back
to it sometimes in certain guitar parts, and I I
still think like, oh yeah, like I'm pulling that, I'm
doing that it And they had this, they had this
specifically on that album art Damage. This like very like
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it was during a time when a lot of those
bands were like bigger studio bands, and they still sounded
kind of messy and like very like DIY even though
I could had like the bigger studio production, and that's
something that I've always really liked. And yeah, I don't know,
I would just stuck with.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
Me, dude, great, great album.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Great.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
I can definitely hear at least the ones I know there.
I can hear that in Failed Son, and I can
hear that in the lyricism, and I can hear that
all throughout what you guys have done. So that's great.
And I'm gonna check out those other bands I didn't
know Mason well as well, because those sound like I said,
right up our alley, all right, what would you like
to plug?
Speaker 5 (49:41):
Oh man, yeah, look, laser discs, we're doing it.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
They have well we'll hold up okay, So like the
big like record CD looking things that are like not
quite DVDs, Like you gut, what do you mean you're
doing it.
Speaker 5 (49:58):
Yeah. I think like we're in such an age where
people are like people yearn for like tactile yeah, physical media,
and like we've you know, they've kind of gone back,
like vinyls had this thing, cassette tapes that children have
had their things popping weirds. Laser discs they're still out
(50:20):
there and they are high fidelity. Someone said the highest fability.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
They would say it's the people that happen to have
a T shirt that says laser disc Right, it is.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
The format of the future.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
I've heard, Well, there might be something insider trading going
on maybe maybe yeah, yeah, but you never know. We
might press the whole collection on two sides of laser discs.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
I don't think it would take I don't think it
would take two sides.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
No, definitely as much. Well yeah, well right, because laser
discs can hold a lot of information and we only
have about thirty five minutes of music collectively for releases.
But look, highest fidelity. I think it's going to be
a hit.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
Yeah, sweet. So is there gonna be imagery involved in
this as well? Because all I want is uh is
Chris with his shirt off doing some cool some cool dances.
Speaker 5 (51:17):
Look we can make it happen.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (51:19):
You can make I love it.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
I want I want you doing like sasquatching, like the
Northern Woods of California.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, I I've got it before.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Yes, And that's not just call and saying that. That's
the lady Sasquatches that have been seeing.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Yeah, they've been, they've been, they've been moaning for it.
Speaker 5 (51:37):
Nice. Well, ladies.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
I am married and I'm a Sasquatch fan, so I
know those lady moons.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
So I'm just saying I can repeat them, but I'm
not going to. But I could because we don't want to.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
We don't want to call them right now.
Speaker 5 (51:50):
I should have won my I should have worn my
my wife has a hat. This is gone Squatching the
Squat Museum, one of the Sasquatch medium in Sana Creeds.
Speaker 6 (52:01):
Oh yeah, sweet, all right, so tell us tell us
the uh, the EP name and everything like that as well,
just one more time for everybody.
Speaker 4 (52:12):
I don't know if we actually said it anywhere throughout
the episode.
Speaker 5 (52:14):
No, I don't think so. I think we're I think
we're all avoiding it because uh it's French. But I'm
just gone with denowment it means like the final act
of all play or like the like climax of a play.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
Or a sasquatch climax. All right, we're into it. We're
into it now, sick. Yeah, go check it out. Where
do you want them to check it out at?
Speaker 5 (52:38):
Yeah, we're on Spotify, We're on band Cam, Apple Music.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
We are very available through Instagram. If you just want
to chat, send us a message. We'll answer your questions.
We like to.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Chris sat up a web store recently and you did
pick up vinyl from the last release there t shirts
and then we'll put the CD on there. We're we're
pressing them right now at the house, so love to
put those on there.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
You hit us up. You might even get one free. Yeah.
We do get things out for free quite a bit. Nice.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
I got some free stickers. It was pretty nice. I
will say. Some of the coolest designs I've seen for
shirts and stuff like that for a while.
Speaker 5 (53:18):
So awesome. Thank you?
Speaker 4 (53:20):
Did you design them?
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (53:22):
Yeah, yeah, Like when we say they it's all.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
I love.
Speaker 5 (53:26):
Everything we can so.
Speaker 4 (53:28):
I love the diving Man or the upside down crucifixed man.
I don't know what it.
Speaker 5 (53:31):
Is exactly, falling man, I love it. I love it.
It's gonna be your word next you know. Oh yeah
on other.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
People's selling like hotcakes. Right, yeah, I love it. Guys,
Thanks to Tom. This has been fun. Uh, appreciate you
guys coming on. We are failed Sun fans, and I
hope everyone else is after this because you deserve to
be listening to It's it's really not a huge commitment
of your time, everybody.
Speaker 5 (53:57):
So now he's quite short. We're just some you know,
we're just some goofy guys ripping music in a small
real most days.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
So what is there? Like eighteen minutes? That's it?
Speaker 1 (54:09):
Yeah, one Godspeed song.
Speaker 4 (54:13):
Yeah, that's right, that's right, all right.
Speaker 5 (54:18):
Some week all guys, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
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