March 4, 2025 • 55 mins
Cullen and Mason chat with Felipe from Canadian post-metal band, Nrthrn. They chat about how the band started, their musical influences, and much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M m m m.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
M m hm.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
H m m. Today we've got Filippe, Felipe, Ilione, Illino ILLINOI.
How do you say in Portuguese again? See I told
you I'm not very good at pronunciation.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, no one can can do it. Yeah, you need
to thank my mom for that. Yes, it's Ilio and
I ilion Ilios and I and I and yeah, Ilio
and I. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So it's like it's like an extra syllable in there
that you don't realize.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, and that's it's actually my middle name, it's really
my my last name. My last name is actually Ferreira
Debrits too.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Okay, you picked the right one.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, yeah, I picked that one because it's like there's
no one with that combination anyway in the world, you know,
like that Filippe and I was like, that's just me.
So that's why one. Yeah, because Ferrera is very common,
like you know in Portuguese countries like uh, you know
(01:27):
it's Portugal, but Brazil even Spain as well. So I
was like, oh, yeah, that'll there'll be a bunch of.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Love that. Well, Felippe, you're in a band called Northern
that we're just super stoked to to talk more about.
H It's a band that for me is definitely new Colin.
I don't know how long you've been listening to Northern,
but yeah, about a year or so. Uh. Yeah, we
reached out. We're like, we're super big fans of your music,
and so we're like, let's just chat and so here
we are, but before we got dive into all the music,
(01:59):
and obviously we want to dive into all your music
before we dive in. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Doing good? Yeah, we just played a show this this weekend.
We did, like the album release show, So I'm feeling
like less stressed because it was like four months in
the making, you know, like and then releasing the album
and all of that and ordering merch and like, and
I booked everything myself, so I'm one hundred independent and
(02:26):
it does a lot of work. So now I'm actually
feeling kind of relaxed.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Was it just the one show then that you did
or is it like kind of like a weekend of shows?
How did that all go down?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah? So it was one show here in our hometown Montreal.
But we are booking more shows for I think in
the summer we're going to have some more shows probably Toronto,
Quebec City and maybe some of the regions as well.
And we have this our first show booked in the US.
(03:01):
It's going to be at the Post Festival in Indianapolis
in July.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Mason and I want to go to the Post Festival.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Cour you guys should come.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Now, Yeah, this might be Anapolis, this might be there.
We have to do it.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Have you been to Indianapolis before, Felipe, No, It is
the most mediocre city ever and and like they almost
the only like maybe silver lining to Indianapolis is the
fact that they embraced their mediocracy. Like there really truly
is nothing spectacular about Indianapolis. Like there's not like a
(03:36):
cool geographic thing. There's not like a cool like uh
scene of some sort. There's you know, it's not like
there's an art scene where. It's just it's so bland
in all the ways, and like the people in Indianapolis
embrace it. I used to go to Indianapolis a lot
for school, so I'm a big fan of Indianapolis. But
I can see why a lot of people would go
to Indianapolis and be like what in the world, Like
why are we here?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Isn't isn't there where the Indy five hundred happens it.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Okay, so that's like maybe the one thing that people
would like actually travel.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
That's the only reason I know the name of that city.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah. You know, the way I think about Indianapolis is
it's basically the rest of Canada other than Montreal.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, I can't can't see that.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, just big Minnesota is even more Canadian though than any.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I'm not talking about like in culture. I'm just talking
about in like terms of like.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's boredom, your boredom.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Well, the one thing you all got going in in
Montreal is poutine. But I mean, let's be hones just
in Canada in general, but Montreal I've seen. I've watched
enough YouTube videos to know Montreal's got a great poutine scene.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, and it's not just like poutine, and it's like
we have a lot of good restaurants, Like it's the
food culture here is really really good. I think at
some point we were only behind New York on restaurants
per captive.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, dang. Yeah, like a deal with like the most
amount of you know, top Michelin Star restaurants in in
the Western Hemisphere in Montreal, right.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
We we had that I think we lost a few,
but I don't I don't know if we still have
any any actually Michigan Star restaurant.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Oh okay, well change is there? Is there a good
Brazilian food in Montreal?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Know that? No? Actually, like we used to have like
maybe three or four restaurants. Now they only have like
we only have like a few cafes and maybe one
Brazilian restaurant that was kind of good. But you know,
Brazilian food is so specific that it's really hard to
make outside of Brazil. Sure, yeah, it's and to be honest,
(05:46):
like not not trying to brag here, but like it's
the best food in the world.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I think Brazilian food is slept on.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah. So it's funny how I think we need a
better a PR manager, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Colin could be that guy for you if if you
if you need like a non Brazilian.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I'll send you. I'll send you to the president or
the Minister of Culture or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Oh yeah, do you all do you all have like
your own version of a rappers? Like I know that's
like a huge like Argentinian, Chilean venezuela and thing, but
is that like a thing in Brazil.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Not at all. I mean really there's there's one thing
which is completely different from arapas, but which called tapioca.
It's like a it's like a it's it's almost the
same thing, but it's we've made with yucca flower, so
it's really interesting. It's very specific to the north of
(06:44):
Brazil and my family is from the north, so we
we used to eat that a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I do like yuca a good yuca fry.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, it's so good. Yeah, one of my favorite. A
lot of Brazilian dishes have that, you know in the mix.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
You all like eat that with like some some sort
of a oli or something.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, like we man, it's so many things. It's mostly
like meat and stuff, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Like yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's the part I say. Yeah, it's it's it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
There should be a poutine with yuka fries. That's that's
that's like you're in right there.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I mean Brazilians they appropriate other cultures sometimes, you know,
like they they there's probably a place in Brazil where
they're doing that already. Like they take sushi and they
put like meat on it, you know, like they do
weird ship like Brazilians are funny. They they just like
(07:39):
it's a sacrilege to other other people's foods, like the Japanese.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
In Brazil, though, I don't know it sounds it sounds
very warm and heavy.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, but Brazilian food is surprisingly heavy. It's really really heavy.
But it's not beige like here. It's there is a
little bit more color going on.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, that's that's for sure, a little some chimmuturi or something. Well,
we didn't bring you on to talk about food, although
I Colin and I could literally talk about food all
day long. This is to be honest.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, but yeah, we want to talk about Northern. So
before actually we talked about like kind of your involvement
with you know, starting Northern and everything. Yeah, I'd love
to just kind of hear how you got involved in
music to begin with. Yeah, what was what's that story?
You know, obviously playing guitar, lots of instruments and stuff
that are going on, Like yeah, what what what was
like inspired you to just like, hey, I want to
(08:32):
I want to start a band.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, I started playing instruments when I was six years old.
My my, my end she's a professor at the university
and she she's a piano professor and stuff and she
teaches music theory and stuff like that. So like she
taught me how to read music when I was six,
(08:57):
and uh, And it's funny because in the first few months,
I was already like when can I play for people?
You know, like when can I go on stage and rock?
And it was funny because I, for some reason, I
always felt that I should be there. And then like
later in like when I was like a teenager, like
(09:19):
around twelve thirteen, piano wasn't that cool. I was skateboarding,
so like I wouldn't join a band and play like keys,
you know, like synthesized. So I learned how to play
guitar from like just borrowing my friend's guitar and just
for a few few weeks and I learned a bunch
of blue scales and whatever, some creed here and there,
(09:43):
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, And this was back in Brazil, right, yeah, Yeah,
that was like I don't know, twenty five years ago
when I started playing guitar.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Wow. Nice.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, And then I joined like I put together a
band with my friends that were always skateboarders as well.
That was like when you know, Tony Hawk pro Skater
came out like the one and two, and the soundtrack
was everything to us, you know, so we wanted to
play music to skateboard with, you know, like and then
(10:18):
we started like that like a punk rock the easiest
stuff we could we could do. But the well, the
funny thing is that, like, yes, we were learning songs,
like learning blink Ueity two, even like the Cure. You know,
we were like going like really broad anything that was
easy to play. But I we started we started writing
right away. As soon as I knew a few power chords,
(10:40):
I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna learn how to sing,
and I'm gonna write some punk rock stuff, you know,
like and uh that that band evolved and then changed
the name, and then like we became more post hardcore band.
I found out about bands like you know, Thrice and
because he was singing and playing riffs, you know, and
(11:02):
I was like, fuck, this is sick. And and I
also like there was this other band called from Autumn
to Ashes. Oh yeah, that was like a like a
turning point for us. I was like, and then when
I started learning more and more about riffing, I was
like I don't want to sing anymore. I just want
to play guitar, you know. And and then that's when
I quit singing and uh. And then that band evolved
(11:24):
to metalcore and then like deathcore and then progressive metal
gent and and then it died when I moved out.
It's pretty much like a lot of my friends. Yeah,
a lot of my friends started like emo music, punk
rock stuff, and then metalcore like post hardcore, you know,
like like under Oath and all of those bands. It
(11:46):
starts have your and have your until you reach the
point where you circle back and do post rock.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
You end up killing the vocalist and then you're like,
we're just an instrumental band.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, exactly. It's funny because on the metal core band
and that became like progressive metal, my brother was the vocalist.
It was really sick to be in a band with him.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
What was your group called?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
It was called a meta So M A M E
T A.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
R. Do you end up suing Yeah? Did you end
up suing Zuckerberg for this?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Later? Yes, he owes me money, so call me. But yeah,
so like, yeah, it's pretty much yeah, but it's it's
a little bit. It means almost the same. It was
kind of metal idea whatever a is just an article
that means like the the metal or whatever. Sure, yeah,
(12:45):
so like that was the band and uh and it
was a lot of fun. We released our first like
metal like progressive metal album like in twenty eleven, which
was like a lot I would say, like I had
of its time in Brazil. Even now it's like people
only now getting too progressive metal there. You know, I
(13:07):
don't even know like any instrumental progressive metal band in
Brazil that is really active. There was there was one
a long time ago, but like I don't know if
they play still, but but yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It was.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
It was cool to be innovading, but like it was
terrible to find shows because no one would understand our craziness,
you know, like, well the things that we're do trying
to do.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
That's interesting because I always imagined, uh, sal Paolo in
general in particular, I should say, to be kind of
ahead of the curve in terms of like like being
on the scene for yeah, like American music that's kind
of rising. Yeah, but you're saying that's not quite the case.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Huh, it's not quite the case for progressive metal. I
think I think everything else. It's pretty sick. Like people
sometimes they sleep on going to touring Brazil and it's
just don't do it because it's it's good to go there,
you know. Like I even played the show last year there.
It was sold out and it was really nice to
(14:14):
do that, you know, like come back ten years later
and come back with a project that like would sell
out of any you know. It was really cool. But yeah,
so spirit Box and Bringing the Horizon they played in
a stadium in Sa Paulo for sixty thousand people. So like, yeah,
Brazil likes metal.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Music, dang, and that's like that's not even its Chodre
and Arrow is like that's even bigger.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Right, it's not bigger. Paula is the biggest city. Oh
it is.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Oh I realized that, But real is like.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
The most famous city, I would say, but like it's
it's not even close to how I didn't realize that. Yeah,
So paul it's like Manhattan times. It's insane. It's all scars,
skyscrapers everywhere you go. Everyone lives in a big apartment
building and stuff. It's crazy. It's like twenty million people
(15:12):
in the greatest Sam Paul.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
So what's it like moving from crowded sal Paolo to
Montreal and how did that this village, yeah, this kind
of town, po dunk place.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah yeah, so the things that like I even before
moving here, I was living in Europe for a little bit.
I moved there, you know, to work with design, and
I lived in Ukraine for close to a year. And
then from Ukraine I got on the job offer here
in Montreal and I moved here. And that was like
twenty fourteen, so it's going to be eleven years that
(15:47):
I'm wow here. Yeah wow. And I moved here with
like knowing no one, Like I had no friends, nothing.
I had just a suitcase and that was all my belongings.
I didn't have. I didn't even have my guitars or anything.
I sold everything. I was really focused on like trying
to make this work, you know, like and now Bob doing, yeah,
(16:09):
Bob dealing. I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
So you move forward for the design, uh, you know,
aspect of your creativity, which, by the way, I applaud
anyone who's willing to make their entire living off of
being creative, because that sounds so fucking stressful to me.
I can't even imagine, like I'm like, I hope they
like it. I hope they like it. I hope they
like it every single time you make something. Yeah, And
(16:35):
are you freelance now? Is that the way that works?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah? So I've been freelancing for the past eighty nine
years now because I it's it's part of a bigger
plan that I have. I always wanted, you know, music
has always been my main thing, but it was very
hard to growing up like in a very very very
poor household. We didn't have money to do any thing.
(17:00):
So like music felt like a luxury thing, you know,
like I couldn't I couldn't be an artist, you know,
like this this was for rich, rich kids, you know.
But when I moved here and I settled, you know
a little bit, like a couple of years, I was like,
you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep making music, you know,
because I never stopped making music. But like I didn't
(17:21):
have a new project or anything. So I joined like
a sad punk band called Vacant. I was with them
for a couple of years and then the band broke
up or whatever. But then I was like, I'll just
do something myself. And uh, I I took like the
clean sections of my progressive metal band. I was like,
I'm gonna do something with that, you know, like and
(17:42):
I start doing live looping and whatever and uh and
that that became not you know it was. It wasn't
like an instrumental project that I started. I started like
in an afternoon. I wrote like five songs in an afternoon,
put it on band camp. I was like, yeah, started,
that's that's the band.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
That's how you get the Holy ship. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Like my girlfriend went to went for on the trip.
When she came back, like what you have like an
ep out, Like I just left for a couple of days.
It was like, yeah, yeah, you're like I need to
leave more often. Yeah, just leave so I can do stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, well, essusially.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Like when people's like significant others, like when they leave,
like you know, like I know, I know for Colin,
like when his significant other leaves, it's just like he's
he's losing his ship. And so the fact that you
were like that productive, it's like geez, like, well in
the world this is this is this kind of like
it's like, yeah, just exactly leave more often, please get
(18:46):
you know.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
She's actually very supportive of my of my my music,
and actually she she's one of the few people that
did not let me give up on this. You know,
that's great, She's nice.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I love that. Mason and I have been post rock
fans for a long time now. Our main focus on
this show is usually the heavier side of music, but
I don't think it's any secret that the heavy music
community also desperately loves post rock music. I don't know
(19:21):
why that connection is necessarily the case, but it has
been almost universal in my experience.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Has that also been Remember when we met those guys
at the Sigro show.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the people that were.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Right in front of us that I don't know if
you know, Cigarros said allfully, Oh I love it, I
love them. Yeah, they're one of our favorites. And yeah,
Colin and I a couple of years ago saw them
at a in Minneapolis, and yeah, the people in front
of us, Like, I don't know how it came up,
but at some point it became like very obvious that
like both of us, both these two guys in front
of us, and then Colin and I was like we
(19:55):
were talking and it was like, yeah, we're like metal
hardcore fans too, and it was like one of those
connections where it's like, why is it that, Like there's
like hardcore metal people that also love Cergaros.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, but that's funny. It's funny guys say that because
you know, when I go to the heaviest shows, Like
let's say I went to see my friend in White
Chapel play with Lorna Shore, shout out to Alex and
uh and down that that show. Like I got recognized
(20:26):
by a bunch of people, you know that like post rock,
which is like the I would never expect that, but
like apparently it's a thing. Yeah, but I think people
like both even like that's how I connected with Alex
dol like he liked my stuff. I of course loved
White Chapel and yeah, so like I have a bunch
most of my friends are in heavier bands and more progressive,
(20:48):
more you know, kind of animals as leaders vibe than
than what I do. Is like, yeah, when I go
to them to the NAM show in in and High
I go every year, and like I always meet people
there from like the heaviest bands and stuff, and we
make friends and stuff, and like I will it's rare
(21:11):
that I find someone that kind of does something that's
slightly similar to what I do.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I am one hundred percent convinced that more post rock
bands should go on tour with heavy music bands, because
it really is a match made in heaven. If you
were to like sit there for like four straight shows
of just heavy in your face music the entire time.
If you are over the age of thirty, like most
(21:37):
heavy music fans are these days, you're probably like, I
can't do this anymore. So you need man like palate
cleanser and yes, like post rock.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, last night I went to see like a super
super heavy show I think was like Thrown and Variols,
Heaven's Gate and No Cure. So they were all the
same style, all like heavy as fuck, and you know,
by the the third band, I was outside with my friend,
(22:12):
I was like, my back hurtsman, I'm not sure I
can make it. But I did make to the end
of the show. And tomorrow I'm gonna go see another
metal show Make Themselves for They're gonna play here in
Montreal and I'm gonna see them. I love that band
so much. But yeah, it's it's hard, you know, Like
(22:32):
I would love to, you know, to see more post
rock bands like in the mix. You know, like some
bands they are progressive, they they do a pretty good
job at blending different styles on the lineup, you know,
like a friend of mine, Aeron Marshall, shout out to
Aaron his band. Sometimes they get like bands are not
(22:54):
necessarily close to what they do, and I love that.
I think it brings like some dynamics to the show,
you know, like, and it's it's fun to blend a
little bit, you know, and post rockies like could fit
in a bunch of places, yeah, you know, And I
think my latest songs also have a little bit of
a heavier side, more metal a little bit, so like
(23:17):
that could be a bridge, you know between Yeah, it's
funny because I fell in the same basket of some
of the progressive guys for some reason by accident, and
now I'm like, I feel like I'm gonna end up
playing more, if like, progressive metal bands than post rock bands.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
To be honest, I think that's a better way to go,
to be honest. That's cool.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, well I would be happy either way, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
The closest I've ever seen like a ticket like that
was when I first moved to Minneapolis. Death Heaven was
headlining and one of their supporting acts was This Will
Destroy You, which is one of my favorite babs.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, And now I know, like Deaf Heaven isn't like
exactly like a mosh pit type of band like that.
I know that there is kind of this like post
type of metal vibe that they have that makes it
a little bit more more similar to This Will Destroy You.
But you know it's still I mean it's and this
is like before Deaf Heaven like almost became like like
(24:15):
almost as like a straight up post metal band, like
this is still when they were doing like a lot
of black metal stuff. But yeah, it was just kind
of it was interesting to like see a band like
This Will Destroy You paired with a band like the
Deaf Heaven, but also like looking back and like kind
of makes sense. But it's kind of cool that there
was that pairing of like a really really heavy metal band,
especially when Deaf Heaven was doing black metal paired with
(24:38):
a This Will Destroy You.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, I I find really interesting too. I love Death
Heaven too, and a yeah, I think it should happen
more and more often for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, for sure, it is the genre. Well, let's talk
about so it is the genre for every food I think,
you know. I mean you can study to it, you
can rage out to sometimes I work out to it.
You can even make love to it. And that's my
favorite way too.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay, that's good. Yeah. I think it's funny because to
this day people say like, oh, it's a cool band,
but it would be nice. There was vocals, like have
you heard of post rock before? Like even like I
was looking at the footage from the show.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Culin when he's making love is the vocal.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, yeah, okay, so had your own vocals. Man, It's
like it's a karaoke tane to choose your own adventure. Yeah.
Like yesterday, like when I was looking at the footage
from the show, like I heard this guy putting some
screams on one of these parts of the sections of
my song. I was like, that's that's funny. He just
(25:51):
just like, you know, he just screamed next to the
camera like some bushet or whatever it was. It was
fun to see that.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I kind of dig that. I kind of dig that
you should. You should face sometime and see.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, I mean, who knows, it could it could end
up being great. Let's talk about the newest album, Lithium,
it just came out about a month ago now, and
you said that you just played the album release show.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, I'd love to hear. One of the things.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I'm always really interested just for whether an artist like
has been around forever, whether they're popular, whether like they're
just starting doesn't matter. I'm always interested like when an
artist who has like already created music and then is
now releasing a new album or a new like set
of songs, like, what is it that they're trying to
do different with the new release? And so, yeah, was
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there anything for this new release that you're like, hey,
I was trying to like do this differently that wasn't
trying to exactly sound exactly the same that I've always
sound like. So yeah, I'm just curious if that's like
a if that was the thing you were thinking of,
if it was like what was that? I'm just curious.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, Like, that's an excellent question. It's it's funny because
I have this idea that I want to do something
that that hasn't been done the way I want to
do before. You know, like I don't like I love
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eighties music. So in this album, there is a lot
of influences on the eighties side, there's a guitar solos
and stuff, things that I've never done before this band.
I done with all the bands of course, but like
not with this band. So like my first full length
was called Ever Creating Destroy. Actually I have one here
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because I'm signing. I'm shipping some shipping some some cities today.
That album was really interesting to me. The mix is terrible,
so sorry everyone that bought the vinyl. The city terrible,
but it was good for the time. I guess it's
from twenty seventeen and that On that album, I experimented
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a lot. I wasn't really tied to a genre per
se like I was doing. I was very heavily inspired
by tycho and like electronic music. So I was doing
like the long post rock built up and stuff as well,
but I was doing more more electronic stuff, you know.
So like on this album, I wanted to On the
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Lifting album, like I wanted to bring back some of
that that experimentation thing, because I think the last few
albums Less It that wasn't EP before that and and
the album Faster, I was very much post rock, you know,
like I was doing. Yeah, it was that textbook pust rock.
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Even though yesterday I got a comment on my Instagram
saying like, this is not post rock, this is like
Temu the Cure. I was like, what the fuck? That
was a fun cure. I was like, that's funny. That
was actually very very funny. Yeah. Another description of my
music that was like brilliant was like, ah, this is
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just metal youtwo. I was like, okay, yeah, I see that.
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I bet you wish you could just put all of
your music on on everybody's Apple.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah I would. I would love to be hated for
that as well. But yeah, so so for this album,
like there was a lot of that, but I think
there was me trying to push uh to put more
of my background into that this band, you know, like
to make it a little bit different from the other
post rock bands, you know, having like double drop d
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breakdowns on a on a post rock track. Is I
haven't seen anyone do do anything the way I've been
trying to do the same thing with the song low
that is like in jop f sharp using eight string
guitars and baritone and bass sixes, and I know that
this would you use basics a lot, but like in
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a different way that I use. I use it as
like a super long baritone for really low tunings. But yeah,
so like I tried to do something different and I
think the result is being the you know, the result
was cool, and the reception from the the public has
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been really interesting. You know. Some friends of mine are
playing like really heavy bands and stuff. They were super
excited about it. And we're getting like a lot more
streams and sales on the CDs and vinyls, like a
lot more than we ever got. So like it's being
it's been like a game changer. I think it's going
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to be in our story. It's gonna be like a
turning point for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Oh yeah, I can definitely see that too. This one,
this one feels like it has like a more focused direction,
you know. Uh, and it it really does hit really
hard when it hits. I mean, it's got that dynamic
that you really want to hear in music in general,
but in post rock especially, and you've done that in
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some very creative ways, which is why you've really stood
out to me. And I've listened to you for about
a year, but this album, the stuff I've heard has
just blown me away. Next level stuff oh.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Man thinks so much. It means. It means a lot
to me. It's like so much work right to do
to do those things, like and I wrote everything, and
I mixed it and mustered and yeah. So it's nice
to hear that people are connecting with it. And I
think I'm finally getting the hang of mixing and producing
and stuff. But yeah, it's it's awesome to hear that.
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It's a great, great feedback.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
You even took it to the next level visually. I mean,
your music videos are so clean, so sood things, they
look great. I'm more of a maximalist, but Mason's a minimalist,
and I think that you. I think you just like
nail the the vibe of minimalist artistic artisticness that I
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really actually appreciate as well. Yeah, I mean, because kind
of lame, but this is great.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, I mean I think it's because that's exactly my
style as a designer. I I grew up like studying
like Swiss design and you know, like minimalized stuff like
Japanese design as well German design, and I really like
this idea of simplicity. It's like not a lot of
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people notice, but like my my brand is really clear,
you know, like even like I only have guitars in black, white,
or red because these are the color palettes that I
have on my brainy. I thought you were going to say, yeah,
pretty much pretty much. Yeah, now that he puts yellow
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on everything, yeah, yeah, that's the id update on the brandy.
But yeah, because there is a reason why. Like there
is this guy, uh, this designer from Italy called mass
movie ally and like he used to do just these
three colors as well on everything pretty much, and uh
he did it like the transit, uh transit, like the
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New York Transit signs and and and all the visual
language for for the the subway in New York, and
I have the book about it and stuff. So I'm
a big fan of that, and I try to do
everything on that that vein, you know, Like for the
album covers, I go a little bit off from that
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because it's it's hard to just keep the same, but
I try to keep the minimalism, you know. Like on
this new album, the concept was bipolar disorder, So like
everything on the albums, it's kind of uh mirrored, you know,
And even the songs are mirrored, but they are on
the extremes from like manic to depression and stuff. So
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like everything is like up like low and then high
and then like sleep and awake and and then like
down and yeah and and yeah, there's like a bunch
of stuff that is always like this mirrored thing position. Yeah,
and like even the circle in the middle is like
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a big peal, you know, like and on the back
you have where the pill came from, like the tablet,
you know. So but it's all so many my list
that no one understands it. But like I don't care.
It's just like it's just me making art. You know.
It's like people don't they give this the the meaning
that they want to give to it.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I think you can really draw a lot of people
in with it, though, if it is minimalist and the
way that you're doing it, especially because it feels much
more universal. Yeah, at least at least to me. You know,
if there's something like super busy with a lot of
like references to you know, different cultural items or whatever,
it's not quite as it's not quite as universal. But
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with a very very clean, minimalist kind of point of view,
you can say a lot with very very little, And
that is what I appreciate about it.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Man, That's such a great point because that's exactly my
approach to the music. I want to say as much
as I can with fewer words, you know, in my case,
fewer notes. So like I try to do just enough
notes to be able to say and something and like
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make people feel something, even like on the breakdowns and whatever,
I don't do anything too complicated, you know, Like it's
it's more about the groove and about like the power
of those notes and the right notes at the right time.
So so yeah, like I think that's why everything is
kind of I try to put everything connected that way,
you know.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, along those lines, one thing I've always wondered for,
like especially even like some of the more famous post
rock bands like that I Love, is you know exactly
along those lines of you're trying to say a lot
or you're trying to express a lot of emotion, but
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like without words or generally with very few words, and
I'm wondering, like just in your day, Like so obviously
there's like an artistic part of you, but I wonder
like just your daily life, like if you were trying
to express like that you're feeling joy or sadness or
whatever it is, Like does your mind just immediately go
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to notes on a chord, like notes or chords on
a guitar, or does it go into words? Like I'm
really curious about that because to me, like a post
rock band, like the fact that they're expressing so much
emotion just through like notes on a guitar or whatever,
like like they're able to articulate what joy or sadness
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feels like through a guitar tone or guitar chords or notes.
So I'm just curious, like for you, like, is that's
something that maybe like do you like maybe naturally go
towards like when you think about joy or sadness, do
you think about like oh that like that sounds like
that note or that that like that chord or that
progression or whatever. I'm just curious, like what does that
sound like for you?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, that's it's said. I think that no one ever
asked me that question. It's a it's a cool question.
I think that I'm more reactive to stuff, you know,
Like I am a very sensitive person, so like I
I connect with things really fast and in deep as well.
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So like when I'm writing music, I'm not trying to
express anything. I'm trying to feel something, you know, like
if I'm doing some writing something and then I hit
a note that I'm like, oh my god, that was
very sad. I was like, I was like, that's some
there's something that like if I felt like that, maybe
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someone else will feel the way. You know, like when
I watch if I watch someone sing really beautifully, I
cry easily. It's like it's really so I'm for me,
It's more about reacting to the to what I'm doing
to the environment. Sometimes the entss me playing, and I
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when I'm playing, like okay, this is this is doing
something to me. So like I'm going to keep going
there and explore. Like I know some music theory and
stuff because of my piano background, but like I don't
use it at all, you know, like not at all,
but like I would say that I might use four
like time divisions and stuff like that. For example, like
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on one of my songs sleep, it's in three four
and I want it to be a little by kind
of vibe, you know, and which is a false is
actually actually you know, the vaults like the three fourth
this is very it makes you sleepy a little bit,
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you know, like it's very like post sitting and stuff.
So like I did a lot of that with Sleep,
but I added like a four to four beat in
the middle of the song where the everything else is
in three four, but the drums is in four four,
And that's for me, it's when you're experiencing something while
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you sleep that is kind of out of place. That's
why I put it out. But that's you know, I
think that explains a little bit how how deep I
connect with things and like and how reactive I am
to do those things, you know. Like, so like expressing
myself my feelings is a lot harder with words for
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me than it is with like trying to write something
about it. It's like, for example, my my album Foster
was dedicated to my mom that passed away in twenty nineteen,
and that was a year of me coping with her
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loss and stuff, and like I was releasing a song
every month, you know, until the day of her birthday
and then then I've completed the album when and it
was out, you know, like, but every month that was
a new song. So for me, it's sometimes it's a
lot easier to express myself with my pain or my
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happiness with like art than it is to talk about it.
Even though I'm a very extroverted person, but I'm not
necessarily that open with or connected with my feelings to
be able to just you know, talk about it like
I maybe I have one or two people in my
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life that I can do that. Like it's it's hard.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, so you just like send your therapists just like songs.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, figure it out. Yeah, just let me know what
you think of this. Don't don't, yeah, don't, don't worry
too much about the mix is just a sketch.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
All that. Uh Well, I think I think we're at
a point where we could do top five most influential
albums if you.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Like, I mean some of the bands that you were
mentioning earlier, especially like when you first were getting involved
in music. I'm like, I think we I think we
might be on the same page and a lot of
a lot of music. So so I'm excited for this.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Okay, So I would say if we start with Bulls Rock,
I would say, actually that this will destroy you. Young
Mountain is my favorite, one of my favorite albums this time.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
They just announced their or maybe it wasn't just announced,
but they they've got their twentieth anniversary for that EPE tour.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, yeah, and I think we're gonna, yeah, we're playing
with them at the festival, the Post Festival in July,
and they probably gonna do that too, So it's going
to be very special to me. Yeah, So that that
was really important, and I found out about it like
while I was making progressive metal, so I was kind
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of trying to put post roke into my music back
then as well, since like two thousand and eight to
twenty ten when I was writing that that album.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Just that band in general, it is the best band
I've ever heard in terms of creating soundscapes. Like they
just create like sounds that aren't necessarily like musical sounds.
They just create sounds in their music that is I
don't know how they do it, but they just do it,
and it's next level. It creates so much dynamic, so
much texture to their music, and it's one of the
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reason why I mean, I literally have this whole the
story your tattooed like. They're one of my favorite bands
of all time, and I think a lot of it
is because of the way that they're able to create soundscapts.
What's interesting is like that EP I don't think really
highlights that as much, but their later releases definitely do.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, yeah for sure, Like yeah, they are a big,
big influence to me. I would say on the emo
side of things, there is a band called Finch Oh
oh yeah. I think the album is called what Is
to Burn or It's the main song or whatever that
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whole thing was, and it sounds amazing to this day,
like the recording and the production is just like insane,
insane quality. That album was really influential to me, Like
I listened to it a lot. There's another album that's
emo as well, Roof Heel. There's one which one let
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me just see you on Spotify here? Which one is
the one that I'm talking about because they have I
love everything they've done, but I think is the perhaps
I suppose two thousand and one. That one was insane
and it was me learning. I even played a whole show.
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There was a covers of Rufeel songs, fourteen songs. I
was like singing and playing all the riffs and it
was so much fun. So that was really important. And
then on the heavier side, favorite band of all time
is Between the Beard and Me, and I loved the
Alaska album from two thousand and five, there is like
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a song called Selki's the Endless Obsession. That song was
an obsession of mine and I cried on the guitar
solo when I heard the guitar solo, Like it's so
powerful and like so progressive. There's so much King Crimson there.
There's so much Jenny Season stuff, Like there's a bunch
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of little things that are everything, you know, like they're
really really good. Okay, so that's four right.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
I love by the way. I love that band's progression,
like the way yes where they started to where they're
at now. It's it's a completely different band. Love that part.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, yeah. And to finish because I can't do anything
and it lists like that without something from the eighties.
I think the the album White Snake that has a
song is This Love in it, Yeah, is one of
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the best things ever written in music history. I think
the solo of Is This Love is the most beautiful
solo guitar solo ever because I can sing it. I
can sing every note of the solo, you know what
I mean, Like it's it's do it right now, but yeah,
so like it's it's like the sustain know, the guitar
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tone like everything that. The song is a great song
and I just love it. I think it's like the Yeah,
it's the best solo ever written because it's just that
is just enough of shredding, but all the feels are there,
all the emotion is there, and you know, like it
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kind of reminds me of the work from you know,
David Gilmour, uh, you know with that long bandings bands
and stuff like that, the Great Sustain and now. Yeah,
it's just beautiful. So I would say these these albums
are very impactful in my life.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Great Call. I also love the White Snake Call because
that is the most unabashedly sad and sappy, not sad
sappy album I think I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah, yeah it's White Snake Man. I got people like
I listened to so much stuff from the eighties, like
I love Genesis. I love Phil Collins work and Peter
Gabriels as well, Like I love synth stuff, you know,
synth wave stuff. Like my musical taste is really vast.
I think there are things that are no goal to me,
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but like.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
What's your what's your nogo? What's your no go zone?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I would say country music. I tried to connect with it,
but like it's never been, never been something that I
connect with you. I love pop music, so you know,
I have been listening to the Sabrina Carpe album Short
and Sweet for so long now, like it's being there
are so many cool ideas on production there, and like
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the vocals are so dry for a pop album. There's
no reverb pretty much, you know, like it's so weird,
and I love the choices that they had. And then
they're also the inspiration from like you know, R and
b old RnB from the two thousands and stuff like that.
So I just like a bunch of different things. And
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I think, you know, on one of my new songs,
you can actually sing a Alan's Parson Project song over it.
I do. I'm not gonna say which one it is,
so we have to just figure it out. We have
to go find, yeah, that song, but just try to
sing Eye in the Sky in some of my songs.
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One it's gonna work.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
That's awesome. Are there any Are there any you know,
sounds of your childhood that that you find, you know,
kind of weaving their way in. I mean, I mean
like sounds of like sal Paolo maybe more like traditional
uh you know, Resilian music, Brazilian music, or or other
regional kind of kind of genres that you caught your
(48:54):
ear back in the day.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
I'd never been to Brazilian music, to be honest, I
I always felt I was out of place there for
some reason. But I do. I did like a lot
of the emo scene and the metalcore scene in Brazil.
So there are a few bands from Brazil, one called
Fresno that I love that it's very emo. Now they
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kind of shifted to a bunch of different styles, which
is cool too. There is like a metal core band
like Gloria, and there's one called a new one called
x T that actually they are actually touring the US
with like Born of Osiris.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
They are really cool by their newer band. But they
all do the things that I liked, you know, punk
rock and hardcore music. Like there was a bunch of
like bands from the nineties and in eighties that were
like punk and hardcore.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
What about Jats to Brazil Jazz to Brazil. I don't know,
you don't know Jats to Brazil.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
No, they weren't.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
From Brazil, but they are called Jats to Brazil.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Okay, yeah, never never heard of them.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
They're like a classic classic nineties emo bane.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
I just remembered too, though. I believe we have sal
Polo to thank for one of the most magnificent YouTube
videos of all time, and it's when Nickelback had rocks
thrown at them while they're playing that pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Yeah, sometimes the crowd can be weird of like rock
and Reel especially is it's pretty rough if you that
was important.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
It was in Portugal.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
Damn, I thought it was wrong colonizer, I haven't.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Ye, just the same same language. That's fine.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Yeah, it's been a long time since since I've since
I've seen that video, but it's a good one. I
had to remind everyone of it. Uh what uh, Felipe,
what would you like to.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Pulug Yes, so there would be the release of the
uh the the post festival that I'm playing in Indianapolis.
So come to the show and yeah, there's something I
think we haven't talked about, uh, which is like when
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you know, like a few years back, I actually played
guitar on The Blade Runner, uh the new Blade Runner
no way, Yeah, and that was that was fun. You know,
I met some of the actors, you know, like Harrison fort.
This is a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
He's a lot of fun. He always seems like a
cranky bastard to me.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
It's all, it's all. Uh, it's an act. He's actually
the nicest dude ever.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
Did he ask you to go flying his plane with him?
Because he's a he's an airplane pilot, and he's crashed
a couple of times, so be kind of careful.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
No, I didn't get that advice. I didn't get that
invite yet.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Soon soon. Did you meet Ryan Gosling as well?
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yeah, he's he He drives really fast.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Really, he was a driver in a movie at one
time too.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah, it's no joke. That's actually a documentary. He wasn't
he was just driving around.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Is he is? Uh, I'm not. I'm not gay. But
is he as pretty in real life? Every bit of
it you would imagine?
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah, every every bit of it. And Harrison Fart too
is in pretty good shape for his age, you know,
like and I I the only thing I said to
him was like doctor Jones, Doctor Jones. I'm sure you
love that, yeah, because you know, Indiana Jones was the
best thing the Mess movie growing up.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. That is so cool though, that
music actually makes a lot of sense for what you're
doing now.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, I want to do more of that.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah. Do you think do you think that that kind
of cynthi noir kind of genre is going to stick around? Yes?
Speaker 2 (53:04):
I think there's a lot of stuff that is uh
that is happening in music and film scoring that Like,
he has that kind of vibe and funny enough, I've
also matched one of the sound sanus for the original one.
Uh probably within uh we hang out that nam and stuff,
(53:26):
and he was the the synth uh tag for uh
Stevie Wonder. So I actually met Stevie Wonders though that
was weird, uh a random. Yeah. He looked at me
in the eye and said, yeah, I know, I know
what you did.
Speaker 3 (53:47):
That's incredible. This is this is a great Uh. I
feel like I feel like you live a very interesting life.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
And I've always wanted to be one degree of separation
from Stevie Wonder, and here I am.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Yeah that's true man, Yeah, Like and uh, it's the
thing with in the uh la is that right? Like
you can be in a tiny bar then Stevie Wonder
walks in with like a bunch of security and they
just jams and goals and fox off. Yeah, LA's creates
a crazy place.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
He's the greatest drummer in soul. Do you guys know.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
That I've seen his drumm. He's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
Dude, He's fucking rips on the drums that he should
be doing that more often anyways.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Well, felipe man. Uh, glad that we got to talk
to you. Uh love Northern Uh. I'm hoping you gotta
do some convincing of the of the family here. But
I'm hoping Mason and I can come to post best
because that sounds like such a blasts right up our rally.
We love so many of the bands that are on
that list.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yeah, we love the.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
New album from you. Uh and Uh, I think I
think your design is amazing. I mean you are the
total package in terms of a creative monster. I love it.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
I'm just like out of necessity, like wearing all the hats,
Like how many hats you wear? Like I was like, yes,
I wear all of them.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
I love it. Well, thank you so much for coming
on man. You You've been great and really looking forward
to seeing where this goes.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
Yeah, man, thanks for having me appreciated.
M m m m.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
M m hm.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
H m m. Today we've got Filippe, Felipe, Ilione, Illino ILLINOI.
How do you say in Portuguese again? See I told
you I'm not very good at pronunciation.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, no one can can do it. Yeah, you need
to thank my mom for that. Yes, it's Ilio and
I ilion Ilios and I and I and yeah, Ilio
and I. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So it's like it's like an extra syllable in there
that you don't realize.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, and that's it's actually my middle name, it's really
my my last name. My last name is actually Ferreira
Debrits too.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Okay, you picked the right one.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, yeah, I picked that one because it's like there's
no one with that combination anyway in the world, you know,
like that Filippe and I was like, that's just me.
So that's why one. Yeah, because Ferrera is very common,
like you know in Portuguese countries like uh, you know
(01:27):
it's Portugal, but Brazil even Spain as well. So I
was like, oh, yeah, that'll there'll be a bunch of.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Love that. Well, Felippe, you're in a band called Northern
that we're just super stoked to to talk more about.
H It's a band that for me is definitely new Colin.
I don't know how long you've been listening to Northern,
but yeah, about a year or so. Uh. Yeah, we
reached out. We're like, we're super big fans of your music,
and so we're like, let's just chat and so here
we are, but before we got dive into all the music,
(01:59):
and obviously we want to dive into all your music
before we dive in. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Doing good? Yeah, we just played a show this this weekend.
We did, like the album release show, So I'm feeling
like less stressed because it was like four months in
the making, you know, like and then releasing the album
and all of that and ordering merch and like, and
I booked everything myself, so I'm one hundred independent and
(02:26):
it does a lot of work. So now I'm actually
feeling kind of relaxed.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Was it just the one show then that you did
or is it like kind of like a weekend of shows?
How did that all go down?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah? So it was one show here in our hometown Montreal.
But we are booking more shows for I think in
the summer we're going to have some more shows probably Toronto,
Quebec City and maybe some of the regions as well.
And we have this our first show booked in the US.
(03:01):
It's going to be at the Post Festival in Indianapolis
in July.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Mason and I want to go to the Post Festival.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Cour you guys should come.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Now, Yeah, this might be Anapolis, this might be there.
We have to do it.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Have you been to Indianapolis before, Felipe, No, It is
the most mediocre city ever and and like they almost
the only like maybe silver lining to Indianapolis is the
fact that they embraced their mediocracy. Like there really truly
is nothing spectacular about Indianapolis. Like there's not like a
(03:36):
cool geographic thing. There's not like a cool like uh
scene of some sort. There's you know, it's not like
there's an art scene where. It's just it's so bland
in all the ways, and like the people in Indianapolis
embrace it. I used to go to Indianapolis a lot
for school, so I'm a big fan of Indianapolis. But
I can see why a lot of people would go
to Indianapolis and be like what in the world, Like
why are we here?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Isn't isn't there where the Indy five hundred happens it.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Okay, so that's like maybe the one thing that people
would like actually travel.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
That's the only reason I know the name of that city.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah. You know, the way I think about Indianapolis is
it's basically the rest of Canada other than Montreal.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, I can't can't see that.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, just big Minnesota is even more Canadian though than any.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I'm not talking about like in culture. I'm just talking
about in like terms of like.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's boredom, your boredom.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Well, the one thing you all got going in in
Montreal is poutine. But I mean, let's be hones just
in Canada in general, but Montreal I've seen. I've watched
enough YouTube videos to know Montreal's got a great poutine scene.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, and it's not just like poutine, and it's like
we have a lot of good restaurants, Like it's the
food culture here is really really good. I think at
some point we were only behind New York on restaurants
per captive.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, dang. Yeah, like a deal with like the most
amount of you know, top Michelin Star restaurants in in
the Western Hemisphere in Montreal, right.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
We we had that I think we lost a few,
but I don't I don't know if we still have
any any actually Michigan Star restaurant.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Oh okay, well change is there? Is there a good
Brazilian food in Montreal?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Know that? No? Actually, like we used to have like
maybe three or four restaurants. Now they only have like
we only have like a few cafes and maybe one
Brazilian restaurant that was kind of good. But you know,
Brazilian food is so specific that it's really hard to
make outside of Brazil. Sure, yeah, it's and to be honest,
(05:46):
like not not trying to brag here, but like it's
the best food in the world.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I think Brazilian food is slept on.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah. So it's funny how I think we need a
better a PR manager, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Colin could be that guy for you if if you
if you need like a non Brazilian.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I'll send you. I'll send you to the president or
the Minister of Culture or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Oh yeah, do you all do you all have like
your own version of a rappers? Like I know that's
like a huge like Argentinian, Chilean venezuela and thing, but
is that like a thing in Brazil.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Not at all. I mean really there's there's one thing
which is completely different from arapas, but which called tapioca.
It's like a it's like a it's it's almost the
same thing, but it's we've made with yucca flower, so
it's really interesting. It's very specific to the north of
(06:44):
Brazil and my family is from the north, so we
we used to eat that a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I do like yuca a good yuca fry.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, it's so good. Yeah, one of my favorite. A
lot of Brazilian dishes have that, you know in the mix.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
You all like eat that with like some some sort
of a oli or something.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, like we man, it's so many things. It's mostly
like meat and stuff, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Like yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's the part I say. Yeah, it's it's it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
There should be a poutine with yuka fries. That's that's
that's like you're in right there.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I mean Brazilians they appropriate other cultures sometimes, you know,
like they they there's probably a place in Brazil where
they're doing that already. Like they take sushi and they
put like meat on it, you know, like they do
weird ship like Brazilians are funny. They they just like
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it's a sacrilege to other other people's foods, like the Japanese.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
In Brazil, though, I don't know it sounds it sounds
very warm and heavy.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, but Brazilian food is surprisingly heavy. It's really really heavy.
But it's not beige like here. It's there is a
little bit more color going on.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, that's that's for sure, a little some chimmuturi or something. Well,
we didn't bring you on to talk about food, although
I Colin and I could literally talk about food all
day long. This is to be honest.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, but yeah, we want to talk about Northern. So
before actually we talked about like kind of your involvement
with you know, starting Northern and everything. Yeah, I'd love
to just kind of hear how you got involved in
music to begin with. Yeah, what was what's that story?
You know, obviously playing guitar, lots of instruments and stuff
that are going on, Like yeah, what what what was
like inspired you to just like, hey, I want to
(08:32):
I want to start a band.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, I started playing instruments when I was six years old.
My my, my end she's a professor at the university
and she she's a piano professor and stuff and she
teaches music theory and stuff like that. So like she
taught me how to read music when I was six,
(08:57):
and uh, And it's funny because in the first few months,
I was already like when can I play for people?
You know, like when can I go on stage and rock?
And it was funny because I, for some reason, I
always felt that I should be there. And then like
later in like when I was like a teenager, like
(09:19):
around twelve thirteen, piano wasn't that cool. I was skateboarding,
so like I wouldn't join a band and play like keys,
you know, like synthesized. So I learned how to play
guitar from like just borrowing my friend's guitar and just
for a few few weeks and I learned a bunch
of blue scales and whatever, some creed here and there,
(09:43):
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, And this was back in Brazil, right, yeah, Yeah,
that was like I don't know, twenty five years ago
when I started playing guitar.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Wow. Nice.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, And then I joined like I put together a
band with my friends that were always skateboarders as well.
That was like when you know, Tony Hawk pro Skater
came out like the one and two, and the soundtrack
was everything to us, you know, so we wanted to
play music to skateboard with, you know, like and then
(10:18):
we started like that like a punk rock the easiest
stuff we could we could do. But the well, the
funny thing is that, like, yes, we were learning songs,
like learning blink Ueity two, even like the Cure. You know,
we were like going like really broad anything that was
easy to play. But I we started we started writing
right away. As soon as I knew a few power chords,
(10:40):
I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna learn how to sing,
and I'm gonna write some punk rock stuff, you know,
like and uh that that band evolved and then changed
the name, and then like we became more post hardcore band.
I found out about bands like you know, Thrice and
because he was singing and playing riffs, you know, and
(11:02):
I was like, fuck, this is sick. And and I
also like there was this other band called from Autumn
to Ashes. Oh yeah, that was like a like a
turning point for us. I was like, and then when
I started learning more and more about riffing, I was
like I don't want to sing anymore. I just want
to play guitar, you know. And and then that's when
I quit singing and uh. And then that band evolved
(11:24):
to metalcore and then like deathcore and then progressive metal
gent and and then it died when I moved out.
It's pretty much like a lot of my friends. Yeah,
a lot of my friends started like emo music, punk
rock stuff, and then metalcore like post hardcore, you know,
like like under Oath and all of those bands. It
(11:46):
starts have your and have your until you reach the
point where you circle back and do post rock.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
You end up killing the vocalist and then you're like,
we're just an instrumental band.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, exactly. It's funny because on the metal core band
and that became like progressive metal, my brother was the vocalist.
It was really sick to be in a band with him.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
What was your group called?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
It was called a meta So M A M E
T A.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
R. Do you end up suing Yeah? Did you end
up suing Zuckerberg for this?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Later? Yes, he owes me money, so call me. But yeah,
so like, yeah, it's pretty much yeah, but it's it's
a little bit. It means almost the same. It was
kind of metal idea whatever a is just an article
that means like the the metal or whatever. Sure, yeah,
(12:45):
so like that was the band and uh and it
was a lot of fun. We released our first like
metal like progressive metal album like in twenty eleven, which
was like a lot I would say, like I had
of its time in Brazil. Even now it's like people
only now getting too progressive metal there. You know, I
(13:07):
don't even know like any instrumental progressive metal band in
Brazil that is really active. There was there was one
a long time ago, but like I don't know if
they play still, but but yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It was.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
It was cool to be innovading, but like it was
terrible to find shows because no one would understand our craziness,
you know, like, well the things that we're do trying
to do.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
That's interesting because I always imagined, uh, sal Paolo in
general in particular, I should say, to be kind of
ahead of the curve in terms of like like being
on the scene for yeah, like American music that's kind
of rising. Yeah, but you're saying that's not quite the case.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Huh, it's not quite the case for progressive metal. I
think I think everything else. It's pretty sick. Like people
sometimes they sleep on going to touring Brazil and it's
just don't do it because it's it's good to go there,
you know. Like I even played the show last year there.
It was sold out and it was really nice to
(14:14):
do that, you know, like come back ten years later
and come back with a project that like would sell
out of any you know. It was really cool. But yeah,
so spirit Box and Bringing the Horizon they played in
a stadium in Sa Paulo for sixty thousand people. So like, yeah,
Brazil likes metal.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Music, dang, and that's like that's not even its Chodre
and Arrow is like that's even bigger.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Right, it's not bigger. Paula is the biggest city. Oh
it is.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Oh I realized that, But real is like.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
The most famous city, I would say, but like it's
it's not even close to how I didn't realize that. Yeah,
So paul it's like Manhattan times. It's insane. It's all scars,
skyscrapers everywhere you go. Everyone lives in a big apartment
building and stuff. It's crazy. It's like twenty million people
(15:12):
in the greatest Sam Paul.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
So what's it like moving from crowded sal Paolo to
Montreal and how did that this village, yeah, this kind
of town, po dunk place.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah yeah, so the things that like I even before
moving here, I was living in Europe for a little bit.
I moved there, you know, to work with design, and
I lived in Ukraine for close to a year. And
then from Ukraine I got on the job offer here
in Montreal and I moved here. And that was like
twenty fourteen, so it's going to be eleven years that
(15:47):
I'm wow here. Yeah wow. And I moved here with
like knowing no one, Like I had no friends, nothing.
I had just a suitcase and that was all my belongings.
I didn't have. I didn't even have my guitars or anything.
I sold everything. I was really focused on like trying
to make this work, you know, like and now Bob doing, yeah,
(16:09):
Bob dealing. I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
So you move forward for the design, uh, you know,
aspect of your creativity, which, by the way, I applaud
anyone who's willing to make their entire living off of
being creative, because that sounds so fucking stressful to me.
I can't even imagine, like I'm like, I hope they
like it. I hope they like it. I hope they
like it every single time you make something. Yeah, And
(16:35):
are you freelance now? Is that the way that works?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah? So I've been freelancing for the past eighty nine
years now because I it's it's part of a bigger
plan that I have. I always wanted, you know, music
has always been my main thing, but it was very
hard to growing up like in a very very very
poor household. We didn't have money to do any thing.
(17:00):
So like music felt like a luxury thing, you know,
like I couldn't I couldn't be an artist, you know,
like this this was for rich, rich kids, you know.
But when I moved here and I settled, you know
a little bit, like a couple of years, I was like,
you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep making music, you know,
because I never stopped making music. But like I didn't
(17:21):
have a new project or anything. So I joined like
a sad punk band called Vacant. I was with them
for a couple of years and then the band broke
up or whatever. But then I was like, I'll just
do something myself. And uh, I I took like the
clean sections of my progressive metal band. I was like,
I'm gonna do something with that, you know, like and
(17:42):
I start doing live looping and whatever and uh and
that that became not you know it was. It wasn't
like an instrumental project that I started. I started like
in an afternoon. I wrote like five songs in an afternoon,
put it on band camp. I was like, yeah, started,
that's that's the band.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
That's how you get the Holy ship. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Like my girlfriend went to went for on the trip.
When she came back, like what you have like an
ep out, Like I just left for a couple of days.
It was like, yeah, yeah, you're like I need to
leave more often. Yeah, just leave so I can do stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, well, essusially.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Like when people's like significant others, like when they leave,
like you know, like I know, I know for Colin,
like when his significant other leaves, it's just like he's
he's losing his ship. And so the fact that you
were like that productive, it's like geez, like, well in
the world this is this is this kind of like
it's like, yeah, just exactly leave more often, please get
(18:46):
you know.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
She's actually very supportive of my of my my music,
and actually she she's one of the few people that
did not let me give up on this. You know,
that's great, She's nice.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I love that. Mason and I have been post rock
fans for a long time now. Our main focus on
this show is usually the heavier side of music, but
I don't think it's any secret that the heavy music
community also desperately loves post rock music. I don't know
(19:21):
why that connection is necessarily the case, but it has
been almost universal in my experience.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Has that also been Remember when we met those guys
at the Sigro show.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the people that were.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Right in front of us that I don't know if
you know, Cigarros said allfully, Oh I love it, I
love them. Yeah, they're one of our favorites. And yeah,
Colin and I a couple of years ago saw them
at a in Minneapolis, and yeah, the people in front
of us, Like, I don't know how it came up,
but at some point it became like very obvious that
like both of us, both these two guys in front
of us, and then Colin and I was like we
(19:55):
were talking and it was like, yeah, we're like metal
hardcore fans too, and it was like one of those
connections where it's like, why is it that, Like there's
like hardcore metal people that also love Cergaros.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, but that's funny. It's funny guys say that because
you know, when I go to the heaviest shows, Like
let's say I went to see my friend in White
Chapel play with Lorna Shore, shout out to Alex and
uh and down that that show. Like I got recognized
(20:26):
by a bunch of people, you know that like post rock,
which is like the I would never expect that, but
like apparently it's a thing. Yeah, but I think people
like both even like that's how I connected with Alex
dol like he liked my stuff. I of course loved
White Chapel and yeah, so like I have a bunch
most of my friends are in heavier bands and more progressive,
(20:48):
more you know, kind of animals as leaders vibe than
than what I do. Is like, yeah, when I go
to them to the NAM show in in and High
I go every year, and like I always meet people
there from like the heaviest bands and stuff, and we
make friends and stuff, and like I will it's rare
(21:11):
that I find someone that kind of does something that's
slightly similar to what I do.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I am one hundred percent convinced that more post rock
bands should go on tour with heavy music bands, because
it really is a match made in heaven. If you
were to like sit there for like four straight shows
of just heavy in your face music the entire time.
If you are over the age of thirty, like most
(21:37):
heavy music fans are these days, you're probably like, I
can't do this anymore. So you need man like palate
cleanser and yes, like post rock.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, last night I went to see like a super
super heavy show I think was like Thrown and Variols,
Heaven's Gate and No Cure. So they were all the
same style, all like heavy as fuck, and you know,
by the the third band, I was outside with my friend,
(22:12):
I was like, my back hurtsman, I'm not sure I
can make it. But I did make to the end
of the show. And tomorrow I'm gonna go see another
metal show Make Themselves for They're gonna play here in
Montreal and I'm gonna see them. I love that band
so much. But yeah, it's it's hard, you know, Like
(22:32):
I would love to, you know, to see more post
rock bands like in the mix. You know, like some
bands they are progressive, they they do a pretty good
job at blending different styles on the lineup, you know,
like a friend of mine, Aeron Marshall, shout out to
Aaron his band. Sometimes they get like bands are not
(22:54):
necessarily close to what they do, and I love that.
I think it brings like some dynamics to the show,
you know, like, and it's it's fun to blend a
little bit, you know, and post rockies like could fit
in a bunch of places, yeah, you know, And I
think my latest songs also have a little bit of
a heavier side, more metal a little bit, so like
(23:17):
that could be a bridge, you know between Yeah, it's
funny because I fell in the same basket of some
of the progressive guys for some reason by accident, and
now I'm like, I feel like I'm gonna end up
playing more, if like, progressive metal bands than post rock bands.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
To be honest, I think that's a better way to go,
to be honest. That's cool.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, well I would be happy either way, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
The closest I've ever seen like a ticket like that
was when I first moved to Minneapolis. Death Heaven was
headlining and one of their supporting acts was This Will
Destroy You, which is one of my favorite babs.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, And now I know, like Deaf Heaven isn't like
exactly like a mosh pit type of band like that.
I know that there is kind of this like post
type of metal vibe that they have that makes it
a little bit more more similar to This Will Destroy You.
But you know it's still I mean it's and this
is like before Deaf Heaven like almost became like like
(24:15):
almost as like a straight up post metal band, like
this is still when they were doing like a lot
of black metal stuff. But yeah, it was just kind
of it was interesting to like see a band like
This Will Destroy You paired with a band like the
Deaf Heaven, but also like looking back and like kind
of makes sense. But it's kind of cool that there
was that pairing of like a really really heavy metal band,
especially when Deaf Heaven was doing black metal paired with
(24:38):
a This Will Destroy You.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, I I find really interesting too. I love Death
Heaven too, and a yeah, I think it should happen
more and more often for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, for sure, it is the genre. Well, let's talk
about so it is the genre for every food I think,
you know. I mean you can study to it, you
can rage out to sometimes I work out to it.
You can even make love to it. And that's my
favorite way too.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay, that's good. Yeah. I think it's funny because to
this day people say like, oh, it's a cool band,
but it would be nice. There was vocals, like have
you heard of post rock before? Like even like I
was looking at the footage from the show.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Culin when he's making love is the vocal.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, yeah, okay, so had your own vocals. Man, It's
like it's a karaoke tane to choose your own adventure. Yeah.
Like yesterday, like when I was looking at the footage
from the show, like I heard this guy putting some
screams on one of these parts of the sections of
my song. I was like, that's that's funny. He just
(25:51):
just like, you know, he just screamed next to the
camera like some bushet or whatever it was. It was
fun to see that.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I kind of dig that. I kind of dig that
you should. You should face sometime and see.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, I mean, who knows, it could it could end
up being great. Let's talk about the newest album, Lithium,
it just came out about a month ago now, and
you said that you just played the album release show.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, I'd love to hear. One of the things.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I'm always really interested just for whether an artist like
has been around forever, whether they're popular, whether like they're
just starting doesn't matter. I'm always interested like when an
artist who has like already created music and then is
now releasing a new album or a new like set
of songs, like, what is it that they're trying to
do different with the new release? And so, yeah, was
(26:42):
there anything for this new release that you're like, hey,
I was trying to like do this differently that wasn't
trying to exactly sound exactly the same that I've always
sound like. So yeah, I'm just curious if that's like
a if that was the thing you were thinking of,
if it was like what was that? I'm just curious.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, Like, that's an excellent question. It's it's funny because
I have this idea that I want to do something
that that hasn't been done the way I want to
do before. You know, like I don't like I love
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eighties music. So in this album, there is a lot
of influences on the eighties side, there's a guitar solos
and stuff, things that I've never done before this band.
I done with all the bands of course, but like
not with this band. So like my first full length
was called Ever Creating Destroy. Actually I have one here
(27:41):
because I'm signing. I'm shipping some shipping some some cities today.
That album was really interesting to me. The mix is terrible,
so sorry everyone that bought the vinyl. The city terrible,
but it was good for the time. I guess it's
from twenty seventeen and that On that album, I experimented
(28:02):
a lot. I wasn't really tied to a genre per
se like I was doing. I was very heavily inspired
by tycho and like electronic music. So I was doing
like the long post rock built up and stuff as well,
but I was doing more more electronic stuff, you know.
So like on this album, I wanted to On the
(28:23):
Lifting album, like I wanted to bring back some of
that that experimentation thing, because I think the last few
albums Less It that wasn't EP before that and and
the album Faster, I was very much post rock, you know,
like I was doing. Yeah, it was that textbook pust rock.
(28:43):
Even though yesterday I got a comment on my Instagram
saying like, this is not post rock, this is like
Temu the Cure. I was like, what the fuck? That
was a fun cure. I was like, that's funny. That
was actually very very funny. Yeah. Another description of my
music that was like brilliant was like, ah, this is
(29:05):
just metal youtwo. I was like, okay, yeah, I see that.
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I bet you wish you could just put all of
your music on on everybody's Apple.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah I would. I would love to be hated for
that as well. But yeah, so so for this album,
like there was a lot of that, but I think
there was me trying to push uh to put more
of my background into that this band, you know, like
to make it a little bit different from the other
post rock bands, you know, having like double drop d
(29:40):
breakdowns on a on a post rock track. Is I
haven't seen anyone do do anything the way I've been
trying to do the same thing with the song low
that is like in jop f sharp using eight string
guitars and baritone and bass sixes, and I know that
this would you use basics a lot, but like in
(30:02):
a different way that I use. I use it as
like a super long baritone for really low tunings. But yeah,
so like I tried to do something different and I
think the result is being the you know, the result
was cool, and the reception from the the public has
(30:23):
been really interesting. You know. Some friends of mine are
playing like really heavy bands and stuff. They were super
excited about it. And we're getting like a lot more
streams and sales on the CDs and vinyls, like a
lot more than we ever got. So like it's being
it's been like a game changer. I think it's going
(30:43):
to be in our story. It's gonna be like a
turning point for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Oh yeah, I can definitely see that too. This one,
this one feels like it has like a more focused direction,
you know. Uh, and it it really does hit really
hard when it hits. I mean, it's got that dynamic
that you really want to hear in music in general,
but in post rock especially, and you've done that in
(31:11):
some very creative ways, which is why you've really stood
out to me. And I've listened to you for about
a year, but this album, the stuff I've heard has
just blown me away. Next level stuff oh.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Man thinks so much. It means. It means a lot
to me. It's like so much work right to do
to do those things, like and I wrote everything, and
I mixed it and mustered and yeah. So it's nice
to hear that people are connecting with it. And I
think I'm finally getting the hang of mixing and producing
and stuff. But yeah, it's it's awesome to hear that.
(31:45):
It's a great, great feedback.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
You even took it to the next level visually. I mean,
your music videos are so clean, so sood things, they
look great. I'm more of a maximalist, but Mason's a minimalist,
and I think that you. I think you just like
nail the the vibe of minimalist artistic artisticness that I
(32:10):
really actually appreciate as well. Yeah, I mean, because kind
of lame, but this is great.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, I mean I think it's because that's exactly my
style as a designer. I I grew up like studying
like Swiss design and you know, like minimalized stuff like
Japanese design as well German design, and I really like
this idea of simplicity. It's like not a lot of
(32:39):
people notice, but like my my brand is really clear,
you know, like even like I only have guitars in black, white,
or red because these are the color palettes that I
have on my brainy. I thought you were going to say, yeah,
pretty much pretty much. Yeah, now that he puts yellow
(33:01):
on everything, yeah, yeah, that's the id update on the brandy.
But yeah, because there is a reason why. Like there
is this guy, uh, this designer from Italy called mass
movie ally and like he used to do just these
three colors as well on everything pretty much, and uh
he did it like the transit, uh transit, like the
(33:26):
New York Transit signs and and and all the visual
language for for the the subway in New York, and
I have the book about it and stuff. So I'm
a big fan of that, and I try to do
everything on that that vein, you know, Like for the
album covers, I go a little bit off from that
(33:47):
because it's it's hard to just keep the same, but
I try to keep the minimalism, you know. Like on
this new album, the concept was bipolar disorder, So like
everything on the albums, it's kind of uh mirrored, you know,
And even the songs are mirrored, but they are on
the extremes from like manic to depression and stuff. So
(34:10):
like everything is like up like low and then high
and then like sleep and awake and and then like
down and yeah and and yeah, there's like a bunch
of stuff that is always like this mirrored thing position. Yeah,
and like even the circle in the middle is like
(34:30):
a big peal, you know, like and on the back
you have where the pill came from, like the tablet,
you know. So but it's all so many my list
that no one understands it. But like I don't care.
It's just like it's just me making art. You know.
It's like people don't they give this the the meaning
that they want to give to it.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I think you can really draw a lot of people
in with it, though, if it is minimalist and the
way that you're doing it, especially because it feels much
more universal. Yeah, at least at least to me. You know,
if there's something like super busy with a lot of
like references to you know, different cultural items or whatever,
it's not quite as it's not quite as universal. But
(35:13):
with a very very clean, minimalist kind of point of view,
you can say a lot with very very little, And
that is what I appreciate about it.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Man, That's such a great point because that's exactly my
approach to the music. I want to say as much
as I can with fewer words, you know, in my case,
fewer notes. So like I try to do just enough
notes to be able to say and something and like
(35:43):
make people feel something, even like on the breakdowns and whatever,
I don't do anything too complicated, you know, Like it's
it's more about the groove and about like the power
of those notes and the right notes at the right time.
So so yeah, like I think that's why everything is
kind of I try to put everything connected that way,
you know.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, along those lines, one thing I've always wondered for,
like especially even like some of the more famous post
rock bands like that I Love, is you know exactly
along those lines of you're trying to say a lot
or you're trying to express a lot of emotion, but
(36:25):
like without words or generally with very few words, and
I'm wondering, like just in your day, Like so obviously
there's like an artistic part of you, but I wonder
like just your daily life, like if you were trying
to express like that you're feeling joy or sadness or
whatever it is, Like does your mind just immediately go
(36:46):
to notes on a chord, like notes or chords on
a guitar, or does it go into words? Like I'm
really curious about that because to me, like a post
rock band, like the fact that they're expressing so much
emotion just through like notes on a guitar or whatever,
like like they're able to articulate what joy or sadness
(37:07):
feels like through a guitar tone or guitar chords or notes.
So I'm just curious, like for you, like, is that's
something that maybe like do you like maybe naturally go
towards like when you think about joy or sadness, do
you think about like oh that like that sounds like
that note or that that like that chord or that
progression or whatever. I'm just curious, like what does that
sound like for you?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, that's it's said. I think that no one ever
asked me that question. It's a it's a cool question.
I think that I'm more reactive to stuff, you know,
Like I am a very sensitive person, so like I
I connect with things really fast and in deep as well.
(37:47):
So like when I'm writing music, I'm not trying to
express anything. I'm trying to feel something, you know, like
if I'm doing some writing something and then I hit
a note that I'm like, oh my god, that was
very sad. I was like, I was like, that's some
there's something that like if I felt like that, maybe
(38:09):
someone else will feel the way. You know, like when
I watch if I watch someone sing really beautifully, I
cry easily. It's like it's really so I'm for me,
It's more about reacting to the to what I'm doing
to the environment. Sometimes the entss me playing, and I
(38:29):
when I'm playing, like okay, this is this is doing
something to me. So like I'm going to keep going
there and explore. Like I know some music theory and
stuff because of my piano background, but like I don't
use it at all, you know, like not at all,
but like I would say that I might use four
like time divisions and stuff like that. For example, like
(38:50):
on one of my songs sleep, it's in three four
and I want it to be a little by kind
of vibe, you know, and which is a false is
actually actually you know, the vaults like the three fourth
this is very it makes you sleepy a little bit,
(39:13):
you know, like it's very like post sitting and stuff.
So like I did a lot of that with Sleep,
but I added like a four to four beat in
the middle of the song where the everything else is
in three four, but the drums is in four four,
And that's for me, it's when you're experiencing something while
(39:36):
you sleep that is kind of out of place. That's
why I put it out. But that's you know, I
think that explains a little bit how how deep I
connect with things and like and how reactive I am
to do those things, you know. Like, so like expressing
myself my feelings is a lot harder with words for
(39:57):
me than it is with like trying to write something
about it. It's like, for example, my my album Foster
was dedicated to my mom that passed away in twenty nineteen,
and that was a year of me coping with her
(40:17):
loss and stuff, and like I was releasing a song
every month, you know, until the day of her birthday
and then then I've completed the album when and it
was out, you know, like, but every month that was
a new song. So for me, it's sometimes it's a
lot easier to express myself with my pain or my
(40:41):
happiness with like art than it is to talk about it.
Even though I'm a very extroverted person, but I'm not
necessarily that open with or connected with my feelings to
be able to just you know, talk about it like
I maybe I have one or two people in my
(41:02):
life that I can do that. Like it's it's hard.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, so you just like send your therapists just like songs.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, figure it out. Yeah, just let me know what
you think of this. Don't don't, yeah, don't, don't worry
too much about the mix is just a sketch.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
All that. Uh Well, I think I think we're at
a point where we could do top five most influential
albums if you.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Like, I mean some of the bands that you were
mentioning earlier, especially like when you first were getting involved
in music. I'm like, I think we I think we
might be on the same page and a lot of
a lot of music. So so I'm excited for this.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Okay, So I would say if we start with Bulls Rock,
I would say, actually that this will destroy you. Young
Mountain is my favorite, one of my favorite albums this time.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
They just announced their or maybe it wasn't just announced,
but they they've got their twentieth anniversary for that EPE tour.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, yeah, and I think we're gonna, yeah, we're playing
with them at the festival, the Post Festival in July,
and they probably gonna do that too, So it's going
to be very special to me. Yeah, So that that
was really important, and I found out about it like
while I was making progressive metal, so I was kind
(42:20):
of trying to put post roke into my music back
then as well, since like two thousand and eight to
twenty ten when I was writing that that album.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Just that band in general, it is the best band
I've ever heard in terms of creating soundscapes. Like they
just create like sounds that aren't necessarily like musical sounds.
They just create sounds in their music that is I
don't know how they do it, but they just do it,
and it's next level. It creates so much dynamic, so
much texture to their music, and it's one of the
(42:54):
reason why I mean, I literally have this whole the
story your tattooed like. They're one of my favorite bands
of all time, and I think a lot of it
is because of the way that they're able to create soundscapts.
What's interesting is like that EP I don't think really
highlights that as much, but their later releases definitely do.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, yeah for sure, Like yeah, they are a big,
big influence to me. I would say on the emo
side of things, there is a band called Finch Oh
oh yeah. I think the album is called what Is
to Burn or It's the main song or whatever that
(43:29):
whole thing was, and it sounds amazing to this day,
like the recording and the production is just like insane,
insane quality. That album was really influential to me, Like
I listened to it a lot. There's another album that's
emo as well, Roof Heel. There's one which one let
(43:50):
me just see you on Spotify here? Which one is
the one that I'm talking about because they have I
love everything they've done, but I think is the perhaps
I suppose two thousand and one. That one was insane
and it was me learning. I even played a whole show.
(44:12):
There was a covers of Rufeel songs, fourteen songs. I
was like singing and playing all the riffs and it
was so much fun. So that was really important. And
then on the heavier side, favorite band of all time
is Between the Beard and Me, and I loved the
Alaska album from two thousand and five, there is like
(44:39):
a song called Selki's the Endless Obsession. That song was
an obsession of mine and I cried on the guitar
solo when I heard the guitar solo, Like it's so
powerful and like so progressive. There's so much King Crimson there.
There's so much Jenny Season stuff, Like there's a bunch
(45:01):
of little things that are everything, you know, like they're
really really good. Okay, so that's four right.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
I love by the way. I love that band's progression,
like the way yes where they started to where they're
at now. It's it's a completely different band. Love that part.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, yeah. And to finish because I can't do anything
and it lists like that without something from the eighties.
I think the the album White Snake that has a
song is This Love in it, Yeah, is one of
(45:38):
the best things ever written in music history. I think
the solo of Is This Love is the most beautiful
solo guitar solo ever because I can sing it. I
can sing every note of the solo, you know what
I mean, Like it's it's do it right now, but yeah,
so like it's it's like the sustain know, the guitar
(46:01):
tone like everything that. The song is a great song
and I just love it. I think it's like the Yeah,
it's the best solo ever written because it's just that
is just enough of shredding, but all the feels are there,
all the emotion is there, and you know, like it
(46:21):
kind of reminds me of the work from you know,
David Gilmour, uh, you know with that long bandings bands
and stuff like that, the Great Sustain and now. Yeah,
it's just beautiful. So I would say these these albums
are very impactful in my life.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Great Call. I also love the White Snake Call because
that is the most unabashedly sad and sappy, not sad
sappy album I think I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah, yeah it's White Snake Man. I got people like
I listened to so much stuff from the eighties, like
I love Genesis. I love Phil Collins work and Peter
Gabriels as well, Like I love synth stuff, you know,
synth wave stuff. Like my musical taste is really vast.
I think there are things that are no goal to me,
(47:18):
but like.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
What's your what's your nogo? What's your no go zone?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I would say country music. I tried to connect with it,
but like it's never been, never been something that I
connect with you. I love pop music, so you know,
I have been listening to the Sabrina Carpe album Short
and Sweet for so long now, like it's being there
are so many cool ideas on production there, and like
(47:43):
the vocals are so dry for a pop album. There's
no reverb pretty much, you know, like it's so weird,
and I love the choices that they had. And then
they're also the inspiration from like you know, R and
b old RnB from the two thousands and stuff like that.
So I just like a bunch of different things. And
(48:05):
I think, you know, on one of my new songs,
you can actually sing a Alan's Parson Project song over it.
I do. I'm not gonna say which one it is,
so we have to just figure it out. We have
to go find, yeah, that song, but just try to
sing Eye in the Sky in some of my songs.
(48:27):
One it's gonna work.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
That's awesome. Are there any Are there any you know,
sounds of your childhood that that you find, you know,
kind of weaving their way in. I mean, I mean
like sounds of like sal Paolo maybe more like traditional
uh you know, Resilian music, Brazilian music, or or other
regional kind of kind of genres that you caught your
(48:54):
ear back in the day.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
I'd never been to Brazilian music, to be honest, I
I always felt I was out of place there for
some reason. But I do. I did like a lot
of the emo scene and the metalcore scene in Brazil.
So there are a few bands from Brazil, one called
Fresno that I love that it's very emo. Now they
(49:16):
kind of shifted to a bunch of different styles, which
is cool too. There is like a metal core band
like Gloria, and there's one called a new one called
x T that actually they are actually touring the US
with like Born of Osiris.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
They are really cool by their newer band. But they
all do the things that I liked, you know, punk
rock and hardcore music. Like there was a bunch of
like bands from the nineties and in eighties that were
like punk and hardcore.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
What about Jats to Brazil Jazz to Brazil. I don't know,
you don't know Jats to Brazil.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
No, they weren't.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
From Brazil, but they are called Jats to Brazil.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Okay, yeah, never never heard of them.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
They're like a classic classic nineties emo bane.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
I just remembered too, though. I believe we have sal
Polo to thank for one of the most magnificent YouTube
videos of all time, and it's when Nickelback had rocks
thrown at them while they're playing that pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Yeah, sometimes the crowd can be weird of like rock
and Reel especially is it's pretty rough if you that
was important.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
It was in Portugal.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
Damn, I thought it was wrong colonizer, I haven't.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Ye, just the same same language. That's fine.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Yeah, it's been a long time since since I've since
I've seen that video, but it's a good one. I
had to remind everyone of it. Uh what uh, Felipe,
what would you like to.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Pulug Yes, so there would be the release of the
uh the the post festival that I'm playing in Indianapolis.
So come to the show and yeah, there's something I
think we haven't talked about, uh, which is like when
(51:19):
you know, like a few years back, I actually played
guitar on The Blade Runner, uh the new Blade Runner
no way, Yeah, and that was that was fun. You know,
I met some of the actors, you know, like Harrison fort.
This is a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
He's a lot of fun. He always seems like a
cranky bastard to me.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
It's all, it's all. Uh, it's an act. He's actually
the nicest dude ever.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
Did he ask you to go flying his plane with him?
Because he's a he's an airplane pilot, and he's crashed
a couple of times, so be kind of careful.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
No, I didn't get that advice. I didn't get that
invite yet.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Soon soon. Did you meet Ryan Gosling as well?
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yeah, he's he He drives really fast.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Really, he was a driver in a movie at one
time too.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah, it's no joke. That's actually a documentary. He wasn't
he was just driving around.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Is he is? Uh, I'm not. I'm not gay. But
is he as pretty in real life? Every bit of
it you would imagine?
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah, every every bit of it. And Harrison Fart too
is in pretty good shape for his age, you know,
like and I I the only thing I said to
him was like doctor Jones, Doctor Jones. I'm sure you
love that, yeah, because you know, Indiana Jones was the
best thing the Mess movie growing up.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. That is so cool though, that
music actually makes a lot of sense for what you're
doing now.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, I want to do more of that.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah. Do you think do you think that that kind
of cynthi noir kind of genre is going to stick around? Yes?
Speaker 2 (53:04):
I think there's a lot of stuff that is uh
that is happening in music and film scoring that Like,
he has that kind of vibe and funny enough, I've
also matched one of the sound sanus for the original one.
Uh probably within uh we hang out that nam and stuff,
(53:26):
and he was the the synth uh tag for uh
Stevie Wonder. So I actually met Stevie Wonders though that
was weird, uh a random. Yeah. He looked at me
in the eye and said, yeah, I know, I know
what you did.
Speaker 3 (53:47):
That's incredible. This is this is a great Uh. I
feel like I feel like you live a very interesting life.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
And I've always wanted to be one degree of separation
from Stevie Wonder, and here I am.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Yeah that's true man, Yeah, Like and uh, it's the
thing with in the uh la is that right? Like
you can be in a tiny bar then Stevie Wonder
walks in with like a bunch of security and they
just jams and goals and fox off. Yeah, LA's creates
a crazy place.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
He's the greatest drummer in soul. Do you guys know.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
That I've seen his drumm. He's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
Dude, He's fucking rips on the drums that he should
be doing that more often anyways.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Well, felipe man. Uh, glad that we got to talk
to you. Uh love Northern Uh. I'm hoping you gotta
do some convincing of the of the family here. But
I'm hoping Mason and I can come to post best
because that sounds like such a blasts right up our rally.
We love so many of the bands that are on
that list.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yeah, we love the.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
New album from you. Uh and Uh, I think I
think your design is amazing. I mean you are the
total package in terms of a creative monster. I love it.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
I'm just like out of necessity, like wearing all the hats,
Like how many hats you wear? Like I was like, yes,
I wear all of them.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
I love it. Well, thank you so much for coming
on man. You You've been great and really looking forward
to seeing where this goes.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
Yeah, man, thanks for having me appreciated.
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