Ranking Every 2005 Tooth & Nail Records Album

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Speaker 1 (00:30):
All right?

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Today we've got our good friend Meg Ryan with us. Meg,
you are probably one of the most tooth and nail
people I've ever met. And when I when I say
tooth and nail people like you obviously were raised on
tooth and nail as if it was breast milk. I
don't know if that analogy has ever been made, but

(00:51):
it really is. It's truly a real thing. And uh,
you know, I feel like you know, Colin and I
we're definitely raised on that breast milk that is tooth
and nail records as well.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
So, uh, you know, you're one of the same.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
When I, when I think of Culin and I as
tooth and nail kids, you're you're just like you're one
of us like you. You are a tooth andnail kid
through and through, and obviously there's many of those in
the world, and so I can't think of any more
tooth and nail person in my life the other than
culin than you, Meg Ryan.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I am flattered. Definitely. It opened an entire world for me.
So I'm very grateful that this label exists.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
And you're still sucking on that breast milk that is
tooth fnail record. You never weaned off for that one.
You never weaned off.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Keeping the analogy, it would be very old old breast
milk because I enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Might be a little kurdled at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
What do you call fermented breast milk? They have a
name for everything that's fermented.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
It sounds like mozzarella, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I was about to say breast milk cheese.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Maybe. Yeah, Tom's fine with me.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
I mean, it's what we do with animals, might as
well do it with humans, right, Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Who am I to judge? Right?

Speaker 4 (02:09):
All right, Well, enough of breast milk talk. Let's dive
into this episode. So the reason why we brought you
on here, mag is obviously again you are like one
of the more knowledgeable people I've ever met around Tooth
and Nail records. And we are in the year twenty
twenty five, which means that exactly twenty years ago was

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two thousand and five, a great year of Tooth and
Nail records, And so the theologian, that's yeah, I really
had to I really worked for that one, though, I
really worked for that one. So twenty years ago in
two thousand and five, we were all at whatever ages
we were. We're not gonna disclose that, but we were

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at whatever ages we were. We were listening to Tooth
and Nail records that came out that year, and so
those albums came out, we were listening to all of them.
And now here we are twenty years later, and we're
looking back on those albums and we're going to see
what hit then, what hits now, and where do we
rank it. So, if you are a listener of this podcast,

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a long time listener to this podcast, last year we
did this specifically for two thousand and four Solid State Albums,
So I go back and listen to that episode. It's
a really fun one. But this year we're going to
do two thousand and five Tooth and Nail Records, which
means that there are some albums on here that you're like, well,
that was technically released on Tooth and Nail. That's probably true,

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but it was actually technically if you look on like
the copyrights whatever nonsense on the back of the CD
case back when CDs were a thing in two thousand
and five, it actually says solid State. So if it
was actually a Solid State album that came out as
a Solid State album, we are disqualifying that from this

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list that we're going to go through. So these are
specific Tooth and Nail albums that were released as a
Tooth and Nail album.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
So that's what we're gonna do.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
We're gonna rank them, and then we're gonna based on
that ranking, we're gonna we're gonna do a little S
tier list to figure out.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Where where these all you know, land for us.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
You might disagree with us, you might agree with us.
We'll find out. But this will be a fun time
to just reminisce back in two thousand and five when
Nokia phones were still a thing. I was watching a
lot of MythBusters and I have no idea what you
were doing calling, But you're probably just learning about your
own body.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Probably probably playing a lot of Star Wars on the Xbox.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, so probably learning a lot about your own body
at that time too.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Let's not go comment.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I will say that I do feel like I am
like committing like record label adultery almost a little bit,
because we're doing we're doing Tooth and Nail, which is
a fine year for Tooth and Nail records, but this
is the best year two thousand and five for Solid
Stay records. I mean, it was just like one Magnum

(05:05):
opus after another in my opinion. So I do feel
a little bit heartbroken that we're not doing that, We're
not doing Solid Stay. But maybe we can maybe squeeze
one of those episodes in at some point before the
end of the year.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Will Yeah, well fine.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I appreciate you said that, Colin, because there is a
record on the Solid State label from two thousand and
five that kind of changed my life, and so I
was like weighing it. But there's a bunch of other
Solid State albums from that year that I have never
listened to in my life. So I had to forego
forego one of my favorite records of all time to
talk about other albums that I know better understandable.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
It's the Pricey Pay, It's a pricey Pay.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Well, let's ask what was that record that changed your
life on the solid State?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
That was As Cities Burns. Then I Love You at
Your Darkest.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Unbelievable, one one of the best ones.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
And guess what you missed? That was that the first
year Fornsfest that they played that all the way through.
And I do recall, Meg, you were not there.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I was not there. No, I was not. I don't
remember if it was was that, you know. You know
how I remember that and you might remember this too,
is because it was when I first met you and
we had a conversation in Minnesota at some brewery and
you said, this, this is an incredible fest, like it

(06:27):
might be once in a lifetime thing. And I was
hemming and huying because the same night one of my
favorite bands of all time, Fiddlehead, was playing in the
Bay and so I did not go to Furnace Fest.
But it also didn't work out with my work schedule
at the time, so I partially regret it. I partially don't.
Fiddlehead was my first show back from COVID. It was
pretty epic. I cried, but I do the very next year,

(06:51):
so okay, well.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Effort, and you were not there either.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Okay, I was there this year, thank you very much.
And that's why I ended up on this podcast because
Colin said, hey, Mason, why hasn't Meg been on the
podcast yet?

Speaker 4 (07:09):
And I felt really guilty about it, so I was like,
all right, we gotta figure this out asap.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
So here we are. We figured it out.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Here we are.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah, all right, shall we get into this? Like I
said before, no solid state albums, So if you're gonna
complain about the fact that there's no Solid State albums,
too bad. That's another episode for another time, and I
actually would love to make that episode.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
So we'll figure that out. But we're going just tooth
and nail.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
So if you want albums that are actually gonna like
hurt your ears, you know, listen to that episode and
whenever that comes out. But we're gonna like, we're gonna
take the softer route, We're gonna take the cooler route,
we're gonna take the ambient route, we're gonna take the
indie route.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
So that's what we're gonna do.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
So there are thirteen albums we're gonna go through each
of these albums by the order that they were released.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Actually, so we're gonna go.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
In that, and then what we're gonna do is we're
going to Initially we're gonna rank them. Is this my
favorite album of two thousand and five Tooth and Nail
already messing it up? Is this my favorite album from
Tooth and Nail albums in two thousand and five, or
is it my least favorite? And so we're gonna rank
one through thirteen, each one of us. And then based

(08:20):
on our scores here that we ranked them, then we'll
be able to divide it out into our s tier A,
Tier B, tier so on and so forth list.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
So we'll get that all figured out. So here we are.
We're ready to go. Are you ready to go? Let's
do it all right, let's do it.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
So the very first album that came out in two
thousand and five from Tooth and Nail Records. And by
the way, I should also note no live albums, no compilations,
none of that nonsense. These are our original albums, no deluxe,
no deluxe's ridge albums that came out that initial year.

(09:02):
So the very first one that came out, and it
was actually February first, which is interesting. There were I
don't think there were really any albums that came out
in January. I don't know if or if Toothingail and
Solid State like kind of avoid January release dates. But
the very first one that came out Amberlin's Never Take
Friendship Personal. We're starting off with the banger, just saying, so,

(09:26):
Meg cullin myself, how did this album hit you when
you were whatever age you were in two thousand and five?

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Go ahead, Meg, okay.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I will just say off the bat, I rank this
as my number two of all of the thirteen albums.
I heard the song paper Thin Him, and it was
like right as I was getting into emo, so like
not not quite hard metalcore yet not quite hardcore. Those
came a little bit later, but it was like that

(10:02):
screamy emo sound, like pretty much third wave emo, but
with some screams here and there what you would maybe
call now mall scream o, but like the most perfect
version of that. And that Amberlin record had this beautiful
mix of being poppy and catchy and like kind of joyful,
but also had some like very freaking emo lyrics and

(10:25):
like pissed off and relationship oriented and having just gone
through a breakup around this time. It it was important
to teenage Meg and it stayed in my CD player
for a very very long time. My mom had some
kind of I think it was through Christian book distributors

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or something, but you were allowed to get like a
certain amount of CDs per month, and so each of
me and my three siblings got to choose one a month,
and that is one of the ones that I chose
from that from that month whenever it came out and
loved it, still love it. I have seen them play
through it all the way through live twice in twenty

(11:05):
twenty five. Once was with Maddy what's his name who
came over into me moment, thank you, thank you. And
then at Furnace Fest, like bomb dropped, he showed Stephen
Christian shows up like he's just he's singing, and I'm like,
this is incredible, No, it just he was just there.

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I was like maybe tm I using the porta potty
when they started, and I'm like, wait, that is his voice.
That is not Mattie's voice, and so I was like
ah and I ran and it was wonderful.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
That's a that all makes sense to me. You know
that when the album hits you at the perfect time
in your life, it can have undue influence on one's experiences. Right,
That's that's the beauty of you know, this little niche
that we've kind of fallen into. Especially for me, this

(12:02):
album was number six. I think that it's a fine album.
I think it's a very good album. I think it's
I think it's probably Amberlin's best album in my opinion.
I think that Stephen Christian especially was like he was
exploring a lot of different ways to utilize his voice.

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And as their career kind of went on, he became
he kind of became more one note. But this record
he is not afraid to just kind of experiment with everything.
And I will say, especially around this time live Amberlin
was amazing because he Stephen Christian in particular, amped it

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up big time. Like most the most of the set,
he'd be pretty much like screaming and as a burgeoning
or burden yeah burgeoning, Uh metal.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Head, you're about to say bludgeoning. I didn't realize that
he was on Soliday Records.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, right, as a burgeoning metal head I was I
was like, oh, that's for me. I like that. Yeah,
I will say I do think that I do think
that Amberlin's a little bit overrated in my opinion. I've

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never really felt like they do anything that is like
so extraordinary or so out of the box. But what
they do do that very very well is they make
solid songs through and through and that's uh, that is
the most important part of making music is making songs
that people actually want to listen to. So yah, yeah,
I have it at six Mason, where are you at?

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Uh, it's actually at number two for me?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Hell yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:02):
This album when I was how old was I I'm
trying to do my math.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I thought we weren't doing.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
February of two thousand and five. Well, you can disclose
your age if you want. I'm not going to assume
it in two thousand and five. In February, I would
have been a fourth grader. So back when I was
a fourth grader and this album came out, I mean

(14:30):
it was huge for me. I remember watching the I
think the song is called a Day Late. I remember
watching that music video and just falling in love with that.
And then also when you know, paper Thin Him comes
out such a great song, so heavy. One of the
things that I think like now looking back of why,

(14:51):
like I think back, like why did I like Amberlince
so much when I was that age? They what they did,
and I think is part of the reason why I
appreciate them still to this day. What they do so
well is they are actually musically, if you take Steven's
singing out of it, they are musically, at least in
this era, a heavy band.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Like they have some like meaty.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
Riffs that I if you put a screen like they
could they could easily pass almost as this sort of
like well now we would call it as like an
easy core band, but like kind of that post hardcore
kind of thing if you put some screaming on it.
But they yeah, they were a heavy band musically. I
think what made them kind of in this more popular
poppy element is the fact that Steven does kind of

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have this soft, gentle voice that can also do this
really beautiful emo thing, And so that's why they kind
of get catapulted into this more like pop just alternative
rock world, whereas like if you just listen to just
the Rifts themselves, they're pretty heavy. So anyway, I the
way that Amberlin has been able to balance that dynamic

(15:57):
between his singing and the kind of tour writing and
drumming and just the rhythm section that they're they're writing.
They've been able to play that dynamic really well, and
obviously I think this album in particular does it the
most perfectly in that in terms of that dynamic, and
so it's great songwriting. It's yeah, just that great dynamic.

(16:19):
It's number two for me. It's an incredible album.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Meg. You said that you saw them on the twentieth
anniversary tour.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
I just saw them as well with Copeland and it
was incredible, And yeah, they are just absolutely lovely.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
They're just incredible band.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
This is in particular my favorite, for sure, my favorite
Amberlyn album. It's probably my like it's probably the Amberlin
album that I probably the only one that I actually
listened to front to back. So I love this album,
but it's number two.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, I have a couple of footnotes Dad, which I
will not have for other bands. But since this is
my number two, I did want to say to Colin,
I agree with you that Amberlin in general can be overrated,
and yet at the same time, because I haven't listened
to much of their later stuff at all, I'm with
Mason I've listened to this album so many times. It's incredible.
But I also agree when Mason said that, like musically

(17:11):
they're heavy. The first Amberlin song I ever heard was
the I think it's called Change the World and it's
from the record right before this, and I was like
a freshman in high school, and the musically it was
so heavy, and that was exactly what I was starting
to listen to at the time, and so it just
grabbed me. And shout out to Tooth and Nail, I
did want to say. At a local Christian music fest

(17:33):
that I had been going to since I was in
fourth grade, like Mason, a few years after it started,
there was a Tooth and Nail booth there where you
could buy tooth Nail merch and CDs and just everything.
I bought a Tooth and Nail compilation which had I
believe paper Thin him on it, which is how I
heard of Amberlin in the first place. So shout out

(17:53):
to the Tooth and Nail comp I do.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I actually do have one little footnote as well. I
don't know if either of you ever traversed the wonderful
website that was pure volume.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Why are you even questioning that? Right?

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I feel yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Dude, Mason, I couldn't remember if you if you remembered,
and then Meg, I wasn't sure if you did or didn't.
But what I always loved was the fact that you
could always like download one or two free songs. Yes,
that was That was my gateway into Tooth and Nail
and Solid State in general. And this was one of
the very first songs I ever downloaded off of it.

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So for a good reason. Alright, what's the next? Oh yeah,
our our score there is three point three three.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Three points all right, so should we just put that
in S tier right now?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
I think that's probably going to be S two, yes,
more than like for now. We'll move things around as
as things go on.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Okay, so here we go, whoa where? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, look this fun little thing. All right, So we're
at S tire and we'll move them around as.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
We go so you never know that album coming too.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
I think is really doing that.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
It's gorgeous, it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, all right, Mace, what's the next record?

Speaker 4 (19:15):
The next record is Bleaches Farewell Old Friends, which came
out a month later on March first of twenty twenty
or of twenty five. So Bleaches, Farewell, old friends. I
don't know if you want me to go first, but

(19:35):
I'll just say I didn't really listen to this album
much when, if if really at all, when I was younger.
Listening to it now, obviously you really great. You get
that like incredible, like early two thousands alternative rock. I
do think when I listen to that now, there's maybe
this level of nostalgia, but I'm not sure if it's

(19:57):
if it's like if it's just nostalgia, or if it's
something where it's like, wow, this actually really stands up
to this day. I don't know if I can like
parse that out well enough yet. So yeah, it was
an album that I honestly I can't really say whether
or not it hit back in two thousand and five.
And I also am not exactly sure how I feel

(20:17):
about it now. I will say the guys from Bleach
incredible band. I'm super excited that they're like back together,
they're doing things. And I will say, though for this
album in particular, just not really sure how I think
about it. So I do have it ranked number eleven.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
All right, May I go next? Yeah? Go ahead, I'm sorry, No, you're.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Fine, Okay, I just think I relate to Mason so
much in this take. I loved Bleach in middle school,
high school, loved them, and then by the time this
album came out in two thousand and five, I was
already shooting off into like either the genre of like
indie whatever that means, or like emo and like scream

(21:02):
oh stuff. And so I do not think I ever
listened to this album until now, until I was like
prepping for the pod. I think you hit the nail
on the head, Mason. It's very alt rock, like early
two thousands, late nineties, like almost There was one song,
I think it was the second song on the album,
gave Me Sex and candy vibes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, their

(21:25):
first song super Weezer. The third song with the piano
just was a Christian Benfold song in my opinion. So
it was like kind of all over the place, and
they're all not really my thing, like all really not
my vibe. This here. I want to know what you
guys think about this. The seventh song, I forget even
what it's called on the record. It's very much the

(21:46):
Jesus worship song where he says Hallelujah a bunch. Why
is that not the album closer. Why is that in
the middle of the album?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Doesn't make much sense to me.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
It's like I was so confused.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
It's like an intercessory prayer almost, I guess, yes, well
as an intermission and as like a cleanser I guess.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, Okay, yeah, maybe maybe it is an intermission. The
second part of that, like worship song, is very rad.
It's like nineties rock but better. But overall not a
huge fan of it, especially since I have these amazing
feelings about their older stuff and it was fun to
catch a little bit of their set at Furnace Fest.
I forget why I didn't see the whole thing. I
was probably seeing some hardcore band in the shed. But

(22:27):
I gave this one similar to Mason. I gave this
a twelve. This was my number twelve.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
Okay, okay, Colin, I will I will say I do
have more commentary generally about this album after you go.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Though, Okay.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
I I generally like Bleach, and I liked Bleach to
an extent. I did not I never had a chance
to like get like their full album back in the day.
I do remember downloading it off live wire, So yeah,
I'm sorry to the uh, the big wigs over there
to know. But yeah, so I only had like a

(23:03):
handful of songs, and the songs that I did have
on my iPod were songs that I always like pictured
in a like I would like walk my dog late
at night and I would like make scenes in my
head to the music I was listening to. It was
just middle school me. Was was funny, and so I

(23:25):
always pictured like like a Mandy Moore or like a
Jessica Alba like romantic movie. And for some reason, like
Bleach songs always kind of like felt like they fit
that vibe super well. But also, like what you said, Meg,

(23:45):
I definitely feel like so much this feels like Weezer,
which is funny because I kind of notoriously despise Weezer.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
And so even when you see my bear chest singing
Weezer with my holy.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Only when Mason starts stripping on a party bus to
uh a sweater song, that that's the only time that
I like Weezer. So yeah, to me, it's it's fine,
it's it's I think every solid, every song is really solid,
but nothing is like incredibly stand out in any extremely
meaningful way. But I do know there's a lot of

(24:23):
people that absolutely adore Bleach, and I get why, but
it doesn't necessarily mean that I do.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, So I want to be clear. Okay, I want
to be clear. I don't know, Mason, if you feel
the same way, correct me if I'm wrong. I like
a lot of Bleach songs. I just don't like this album.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
And I would imagine that's probably kind of consensus with
most most Bleach fans as well. Here here's my kind
of thought around this, just generally not about Bleach, but
this album. It's literally called Farewell Old Friends. So they
wrote this entire album knowing, at at least at that time,

(25:06):
this is the last thing we're ever gonna do, yeah,
and then they marketed it as that, right, Like they
literally have an album called Farewell Old Friends, Right.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
So it's kind of this thing where it's like this
is our last hurrah.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
You know.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
It's like it's like Kobe Bryant right before the end
of the season saying, hey, I'm gonna you know, this
is my last year or whatever, I'm gonna do this
farewell to our kind of thing. It's that it's that, right,
And I'm wondering, I don't know if I like that,
like it's one thing for a band to like go
in even if they knew like internally, hey, this is

(25:40):
the last this is the last thing.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
We'll ever do. Like I I always have a speculation
with colinbell I.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Pause pause pause, you better just are already start saying
that you hate Amberlance or not Amberlin, but to acid
he's burned then because they've done this so many times.
Now what Okay, Okay, the argument, your argument's going to
go in their bad direction. Mason.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
You should when No, when when did when did Acidies
burn have an album that said we're done?

Speaker 1 (26:11):
How many times did they announce there?

Speaker 4 (26:13):
No, No, I'm not talking about the announcement and going back.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about an album that.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Is released and marketed as this is the last thing
that we're doing. That's what these guys did, right, it's
farewell old friends, like they know that this is the
last thing that they're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
That's what I'm like, That's what I'm saying, Okay, is
I don't know how.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
I feel about the fact that literally an album is
coming out saying like we're this is the last thing
we're ever gonna do and it kind of feels like.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's a dumb knitpick.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, it's just it's it seems, but I'm not I'm
not saying it's nick pick.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
I'm just curious about, like what you all think about that.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
I just find it really like that's that seems odd,
Like I don't know, it just thinks it's fun to me.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
I think it's fine. For everything that's creative, there's always
going to be a rebirth and stuff.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
Like there couldn't be a different like marketing ploy of it,
Like it couldn't be just its own standalone thing. No,
it has to be like the farewell album, Go ahead, Meg,
It's it's.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
A little on the nose. But I feel like I
can't agree with your take because one of my favorite
five Iron albums of all time is The End Is Near,
and then the live album The End Is Here, And
of course they came back and we're all happy about
that and they're playing shows and I'm my fifteen year
old self and my current age self are very happy.
But I love that album and it gave me a
chance to like grieve my favorite band, and so I

(27:31):
can't agree with your take, even though maybe the title
is a little on the nose, and I just don't
think it's a good last album. I think I care
more about the fact that it's not a great Bleach
album than the fact that it's their last album.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
That's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Also, you uh five oarn is your favorite band and
you didn't see them last year at Furnessfest.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Crazy, Okay, I saw them like three times within a
year and a half, so give me a I flew
to freaking Colorado to go see them at a si gofest.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
So better. It was cheaper to live there for a
hot second.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, and I got to hang out with leon Or
so that was great. I know that you also got
to hang out with her for his best blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
But all right.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
The third album that came out on Tooth and Nail
Records that year was none other than Maze the Everglow. Boy,
oh boy, I'm really curious to see how we uh
you know, how we show up for this one. So
who wants to go first? Also, we can rank, We'll
rank both, or we'll do the s tier thing for

(28:34):
both Bleach and me at the same time. But yeah,
how do we want to do Maze the Everglow I.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Can go first. Yes, I will say this. I was
late to the May game. I don't think I listened
to the ever Glow until like two thousand and eight,
maybe two thousand and nine, somewhere around there. So I
was very late to the game.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
But it is kind of interesting because by two thousand
and eight, two thousand and nine, I mean I was
like full into heavy music, heavy music and classic rock.
That was like all I ever listened to at that time,
and so it was it was kind of interesting that May,
Little Old May just like popped up into my life

(29:16):
and for some reason it captured my attention very very strongly.
I've always liked the lush kind of arrangements that have
been created by May, and The Everglow does it better
than any other record that they've done. In my opinion,
I think their dynamics are on the next level. I

(29:39):
think I think that the Everglow is also not just
the Everglow, but a lot of May stuff. It makes
me yearn for a time of when piano rock was
a thing, like when it was like a part of
like the zeitgeist, you know what I mean, Like when.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Well come on way downtown walk.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
In Yeah, and like, yeah exactly, or you know, like
I just I kind of want that calming piano rock
to come.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Back, like I cannot believe it. It still hasn't, but.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
I honestly, yeah, you brought that up probably like two
years ago.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
If New Metals coming back, why is piano rock not
coming back?

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, I think we got to wait like another half
decade at least. No piano rock comes back. But when
it does, it's gonna be great, guys, It's gonna be great. Yeah.
May And if you guys ever heard the band Civil.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Twilight, well used to show.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
I think they don't have a lot in common, but
it's like that kind of piano rock that that that
I want back in back in the world again, to
be not just popular, but like, you know, something that
people actually listen to. So I have it at number three.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Okay, go ahead, Mac.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
I did hear this album when it first came out
in two thousand and five, but I did not own it,
and that is because a bunch of my friends in
my very Christian high school, who did not like the
screamy stuff or the scar stuff I was into around
this time, really liked very What's the right word I'm

(31:29):
looking for, like non obtrusive, like or like just very
easy listening.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Tame huh, easy listening, easy listening, but it's it's easier listening.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, listening to correct, so like it just yeah, not
not violent, non embrasive, very thank you. It's like, God,
I've been teaching English all day long and using way
too many terms and my brain has shut down. That's
that's a fact. Okay. Yeah, so like, yeah, non abrasive
is correct. So my friends who didn't like that stuff

(32:07):
loved may So. I heard this album driving around in
my friend's cars all the time, and I enjoyed it.
I didn't like it as much as they did, but
I really enjoyed it. And being a piano player myself,
I mean I remember it's not from The Everglow, but
the song the piano version of I think it's called

(32:27):
Giving It Away. Like I learned that song and just
the I used to know the beginning, the intro to
The ever Glow, And I still have a lot of
affinity for this album. Yeah, I never owned it on CD.
I do still listen to the song. I think it
must have been their single but Suspension, I listened to
that song on a regular basis because it is so

(32:49):
good and it's so cute too. The lyrics are so sweet.
On my second on my like re listen over the
course of this week, the song Painless impressed me in
a way that I don't think it did in high
school because it reminded me of like old Jimmy Eat
World in like, yeah, and then the Ocean was also

(33:11):
one of my favorite tracks back in the day. But yeah,
I just even the title track is amazing, probably my
second favorite on the record. But I ranked this I
think number five. Let me check, Yeah, I ranked this
number five.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Good deal.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
This might be the album where there's gonna be the
least differentiation I think. So this album what's interesting? So, like,
you know, Suspension came out mag you just talked about it.
It was the that the guitar intro kind of riff
in that song was the first riff I ever tried

(33:46):
to learn on my guitar. I remember like figuring out
how tabs worked, because the thing is like you can't
just like look at a tab and figure out how
you have to like figure out how they work. I
remember like trying to figure out how tabs work, and
that was the song I was wanting to learn how
to you know, figure out. And so anyway, that song
was like basically kind of the first song I ever
learned on the guitar, and it was because a lot

(34:09):
of the like kind of those kind of rock centric
songs on the Everglow just they really they did something
for me.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
They really did.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
And so I'm talking about like back in two thousand
and five when when the album came out, and I
still remember watching that Suspension music video on Steel Roots
and it almost kind of felt like I think around
that same time, there was that movie that came out
called Secondhand Lions.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
If you watch that one, for.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Whatever reason, that cinematography felt similar, like kind of same setting.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Whenever I think about like that music video, it kind
of has that similar vibe. But anyway, the great music video,
such a great song, and then as I've listened to
it since then, it has actually gotten better for me
because it was and I don't like i'd be curious
to know like from a like tooth and Nail, especially

(35:03):
like people who are like true tooth.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
And Nail historians.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
If it's like it has to be one of the
first it might not be the first, but it has
to be one of the more like first uh concept
albums on Tooth and Nail, probably because like they really do,
like you know, they do this almost this storybook thing
right like because and we literally as you're listening to
the very first track, it tells you to like every
time you hear this this sound or whatever, like flipped

(35:30):
to the next page.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
And it's because they do this whole like thing, like
it's trying to bring you into this experience and they're
really had Like to my knowledge, there wasn't any Tooth
and Nail bands that were trying to do that whole
experience at that time, and that has made me appreciate
this album even more. Plus there's like there's tracks, as
you talked about, like with Painless, there's tracks on this

(35:52):
album that I think a lot of people don't know
about that are just absolute bankers. So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
It's just one of those albums that I think is
actually aged really well for me, and it still remains
one of my top fifty albums of all time. I
will say, the reason why I'm going to rank it
where I rank it is because at the time there
was only one or two tracks that hit for me,
it's actually grown a lot, so I want to give
that caveat, but it is number three for me, So Meg,

(36:20):
I think you dit number three as well.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
So it's number three for me.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
I would like to put it higher, but just knowing
where my top two albums are, I just can't. But
it is an incredible album. It's unbelievable. Everybody should watch
it or should listen to it.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
It's just incredible.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
It's number five three, number five, yep. That puts it
at a three point sixty six. Also, I don't think
we did bleach on.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
The Yeah, so let's let me let me share my screen,
all right, so clearly right now, and we'll move these
around right now.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
So this is at a three point sixty six, which.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Is is that higher than.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
It's just below just below Amberlin.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
There, so it should be right here a for now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Amberlin was at three point three to three. May was
at three point sixty six.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Also, by the way, if you're listening to this and
you're like, wait, where are things going?

Speaker 3 (37:16):
This is like golf.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
The lower the score, the better, So just keep that
in mind. I feel pretty confident that this is going
to be probably more in the seats here.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
But that was a t But that's.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Reach, that's ten point.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
That sounds right.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
I think that's probably gonna be c yep, all right.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I ranked it the sea originally.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
There we go, all right, so oh we gotta keep moving,
all right?

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Next one Starflyer fifty nine talking voice versus singing voice.
This came out on April twelfth of two thousand and five.
What do we think about this album?

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Go ahead back?

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Okay, So Starfire is a band that I had known
about since I was like thirteen or fourteen, but I
was heavily into skat at the time and did not
care about like shoegaze at all. Probably did not know.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
The terms songs are three times too long.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I probably didn't know the term until college. Yeah, I mean,
I think the first song I heard of Theirs was
on some happy Christmas album, like the first one maybe,
and I was like, this is way too sleepy for me,
which is what I thought about every song of THEIRS
I had ever heard at the point. And then I
think I kind of forgot the existed or just had
in the back of my head like that band is
not for me. But probably if I heard them later

(38:34):
I might have loved them, especially when I got into
shoegaze and more indie and like slower indie. But I
have no context for this album in two thousand and five,
so this was not even a re listen for me.
This was actually a first time listen. Even though I
have listened to Starflyer before, I had never done a
deep dive and definitely never listened to this album the
whole way through. I enjoyed the whole album. It. The

(38:58):
opening track on this I think is like wildly ahead
of its time. It's like bedroom indie dream pop ish,
and I wish I had listened to this album earlier,
but yeah, I feel like I missed out. They just
kind of fell out on my brain. And some of
the songs gave me Alex g vibes, kind of like

(39:18):
the indie artist guy, even though this came out way
before him. So I really really enjoyed it. There's a
song let me write, let me see what I wrote down? Okay.
The song good Suns has like almost this post punk
vibe to it, which I'm very very into, and then
the chorus is super dancy. I really like this. I
feel like I would have adored this album in college,

(39:40):
but I did not listen to it until this week.
So yeah, I ranked this album a eight.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Wow. Okay, good Mason.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
I did not listen to this album when I was
in fourth grade.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Shocker.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
When when I think about Starflyer, especially at this point,
because you know he I think his first album came
out on Tooth and Nail probably nineteen ninety four, right.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah it was that was the Euros born.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Sure, that was a euro was born.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
So I'll just say like, by this point in Starflyer's career,
I was ten, maybe eleven years old. I was not
listening to whatever ten year plus of shoegaze into whatever
he goes into. I like, that's just not for me

(40:42):
at that point. So I'll be honest, I was not
listening to this album when I was ten eleven.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Years old, so I'll take that.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
So it's really hard to like measure the growth of
this album for me because I just literally did not
listen to it back then. However, I will say listening
to it now. This dude is Jason Martin, and I've
thought about this for a while, like Starflyer is next level.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
In terms of songwriting, and.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
He is.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
I mean he's kind of I mean, obviously, he's like
one of those people that just is constantly putting out material,
Like almost every single year there's something coming out from Starflyer,
and he's just almost at this point. I like, he
has released so many albums that it's hard to like
imagine that he remembers most songs that he's ever even written. Yeah,

(41:45):
and this feels like one of those albums where he's
probably written songs and recorded and literally released songs on
this album that if he was listening to it, he'd
be like, God, that sounds a lot like a Starflyer song,
but doesn't know that it's actually him. Like he's just
at that point, and this feels like that kind of album.
And now I will say, obviously, there this album is

(42:08):
a little bit of a departure in terms of where
it was, you know, in the nineties or super Shoe Gayzy.
This kind of takes a little bit more of a
deconstructed vibe. But my goodness, it's like it's so still
salt Starflyer, And I don't know, he's just one of
those people where it's hard to like for me to
really judge his album. In the course of two thousand

(42:32):
and five tooth and albums, because honestly, he's released like
thirty plus albums, Like, how do you even judge that
at this point? So it's just like, to me, it's
impossible to judge. So that's where I'm at with this album.
It feels like impossible. It's hard to know, and I
certainly was not listening to it back in two thousand
and five.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah, so Mason, you and I are in the same
page that this was our first listen through basically of
this specific album.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Oh for sure, for sure.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
What do you rank it, Mace?

Speaker 3 (42:59):
I have it at number eight?

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Oh wow?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Oh same as me.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah, yeah, I love Jason Martin. This record was quite
important to me when I was young. Really, I had
a You know, when you have an artist with such
a long career, it's pretty easy to like fall out

(43:27):
of listening for a while, and then you come back
here and there. You might pick up one album and
it really speaks to you, and then maybe you take
a couple off because again, like Mason was saying, so
much has been done right or so much has been
has been made. Jason Martin is a is a musician's musician.

(43:51):
He writes songs perfectly. In my opinion, he is very
very musical, very very career of incredible riffs, goes against
the grain, things outside the box. I just I think
that I think it's hard to kind of take in

(44:14):
everything that every album has to has has to test
to give talking voice versus singing voice. I think is
Starflyer's second best album. I think the first album their
first or their best album I think is Portuguese Blues.
But I really adore this album and it spoke to

(44:36):
me when I was young, fell out of listening for
a while, spoke to me a couple of years ago,
fell out of listening for a while, came back to
it about about nine months ago, and just it's like
it's like these albums I'll just like throw on repeat
and I'll just like be obsessed for like a full month,

(44:58):
and then I just won't listen for a while. But
I have this as is number one. I think this
is WHOA the best album from two thousand and five.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Wow, Yeah, I love this record.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Go ahead, meg Oh.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I'm just saying I love how Colin is talking about
this album and how meaningful it is. I just think
that it's cool to hear Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Absolutely. I don't think that Jason Martin could do any wrong.
There's not an album I dislike, but this one definitely
hit me in some some teenage angst places and then
also in some adult angst places.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah, so cool.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
This gets us sixteen point three to three, so that's
probably gonna.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Be Wait, sixteen point or what's the average?

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah, but I thought me and but me and Mason
both ranked it eight, and then you ranked it one,
So wouldn't you add those in the divide by three?

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, that's what I did. I think it was. I
don't do.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Math, guys, I'm not even a math let's go history teacher.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
It's still sixteen point three three. No, it's not what
I just I just do it again.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I don't know I will do it.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
I know how to do it. Okay, So oh eight plus.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Sorry five point six. That doesn't sound right.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
There it is.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
There, it is. Sorry my bad, guys, Oh my god,
oh my god.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
I feel like, uh, you know, I'm gonna share myself.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Don't ever make me do math unless I'm doing I.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Might teach English, but I tutored math for a long time,
so I'm a little reliable.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Math courses in college.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
So I feel like, for now it's going to be
beats here. But we'll we'll, we'll see where that goes.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
What okay, what did we say? It was five point something.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Five point sixty six.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Okay, interesting, I will say so, Meg, this might be
interesting for you to know as well as the listeners.
This is the first time I'm hearing about this album
from Culin, So it feels like one of those things
where I've known Colin. I've known Starflyer a bunch though, no, no, no, no,
we've been, but this album in particular, I've known you

(47:14):
for seventeen years. I didn't realize that this album was
that important for you. So that that that feels, that
feels notable.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
That's pretty cool. Yeah, I think I think what happens
with a lot of Starflyer stuff is you tend to
like group it into like eras.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Yeah, the albums, the albums are totally like, they don't matter,
it's just it's eras.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
That that's interesting. That's actually a really good point.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Same for me.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Yeah, cool, sweet, all right, all right, next one, I'm
really I'm actually really curious about this one for you all.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
So the next album that comes out on tooth and Nail.
Oh you're in the world.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
What I think I know what it is?

Speaker 4 (48:02):
I at least okay, Oh there it is, okay, perfect,
all right. So it came out on April twenty six
of two thousand and five. It's Discover America. By in
the album is called Psychology, but Discover America, and this
might be more notable or more important for fans and listeners.

(48:24):
Discover America was one of the projects that Chris Staples does.
And Chris Staples was obviously the frontman and the songwriter
for two thirty eight, So yeah, so that's something to
be noted. But this was his, like I don't I
don't know if it was his, I would have to
look back on his history. I don't know if this

(48:46):
was his first solo thing, but now clearly his solo
thing has become huge. So I feel like that's notable
and maybe we can talk about that. But yeah, Discover
America Psychology, Uh, what do we think about this album?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
I can go first. I really love the mashup of
different sounds and genres and even like eras of music,
like he's he's not he's not messing around with the
musicality of this album. There's even a couple of songs.

(49:22):
I don't remember the name of the song in particular,
but there's some like straight up Beatles riffs that are
total rip offs and I love that in there. However,
I have to say, uh, lead singer for Green Day
is it Billy Joe or Billy Jean Armstrong. Billy Joe Armstrong.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
I think Billy Jean is a Michael Jackson song.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yeah, that That's why I was. I thought I was
getting a conflating not your girl, I think. I think
Staples sounds like Billy Joe Armstrong.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
With a cold, and I have a very different take.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
It drives me up a fucking wall. I can't stand it.
I cannot stand his voice.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I love a good hot tape from Colin.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
This is great, This is great, and I have such
a different take on his voice.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Keep going okay.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
I don't have much else to say. I just I'm
so annoyed by his voice. I love the music, but
the voice just takes me out of it completely. It's
like it's like if you were I don't know if
I can use this analogy without, oh gosh, potentially losing

(50:32):
my job. So I'm not gonna say it.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Go ahead, go ahead of meg Okay, okay, okay. So
I did not hear this album in two thousand and five.
When it came out, I knew who True thirty eight was.
I did not know that it was the same dude
until like a decade later. But in two thousand and eight,
I had a friend in college, me and my like
small friend group. We were always making each other mix

(50:55):
eedi's just constantly, and so my friend Luke made me
make He was like a little brother to me. He
liked another girl in my wing named Kate, and he
made me a mix CD with the song green Eyes
on it, and he said, this is how I feel
about Kate. It was very cute, and so he put
call It in the Air and green Eyes on it.
And those are the only two songs I knew, and

(51:17):
I loved them. I just loved them. Those two songs,
I realized after my re listen this week sound so
different than so much of the rest of the album.
And I like that. I do appreciate that those two
songs are very like indie like electronic almost I don't
know if you know the like electronic hip hop. Guy Astronautilus,

(51:39):
but they remind me of him a little bit. But
some of the songs on this album and his voice,
I was trying to figure out who he reminded me of,
and I couldn't figure it out until driving to work yesterday.
He reminds me of Tim Kasher from Cursive or The
Good Life so much in a few songs, and Colin,

(52:01):
the craziest thing is that you bring up Billy Joe
part of why I am what was it? You notoriously
don't like Weezer, right, I notoriously don't like Green Day.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
I don't like Green Day either, and that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Okay, So I am kind of surprised that you say that.
I hope that you saying that doesn't ruin discover America
for me, because I really do like this album and
I did not get Billy Joe. I got Tim Kasher,
who I love. I love Curs that I've seen them
multiple times in the last year, and so listening to
the whole album, I was kind of like, why did
I not listen to this whole album when I already

(52:35):
knew I liked these two songs less than two years
after the album came out. I just I was one
of the one of those people for this, For this album,
I was like, I like these two songs cool, and
then just forgot about this band at all and didn't
know they existed. But I don't know if Colin, if
you said what you gave the album, did you say
number you gave it.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
I don't know if I did. I gave it a twelve.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Okay, I gave it a seven, so right right before Starflyers,
because I do like his weird voice. I do like
how it taps into the indie stuff. I like the
almost like second wave ebo yelly stuff I like from Cursive.
I don't know, I just I want to listen to
this album again. I thought it was great.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
So for me, this album.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
I remember when it came out because I remember looking
it up on Pure Volume and just being like, this
is just not for me. And again, I think part
of that is, you know again, I'm just trying to
try to give historical context here when two thirty eight
fans by the time that they're listening in two thousand

(53:41):
and five, the people who were two thirty eight fans,
let's say in two thousand and five, they're in college.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
I was not in college in two thousand and five, So.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
I think there just was like a I think there
was just like who he was trying to write for
at that time was probably just not me as a
eleven year old, ten year old, and so I just
like I feel like there's like that discons I feel
like that way about like starfly Er two, right like,
and I'm not trying to you know, it's just it's
a generational thing.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
This is what it is.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
So I remember like when this came out. I do
remember literally trying to like click play on the Pure
Volume site for Discover America and just like, E, this
is this not me?

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Like this is not doesn't really catch my ear.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
So I will say there was that when it when
it hit me back in two thousand and five. I
think for me, like what's hard when I listen to
this album now, like I enjoy it. What's hard for
me is I almost feel like I enjoy it more
partly because I know what Christaples has become, so that

(54:51):
context has like really kind of I feel like warped
my opinion about this album.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
So that's interesting to make an analogy there. Yeah, it's
kind of like if you heard Nirvana's Bleach Record.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Yeah, now we're like you're like, back then you probably
were like not into.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
It, but like now you know about Nirvana and you're like,
oh my god, this is like revolutionary.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Right.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Yeah, I think I think you're right there where it's
like and obviously it's not to that degree of Nirvana
but exactly, but it is something where it's like I
feel like it's when I listen to it, I'm like, God,
I really like this, but I'm like, is this because
I really think Chris Staples has grown a lot as
a songwriter and I really like his stuff now as

(55:37):
a songwriter. So there's that the Okay, So I think
I'm the last person to talk about this album.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
One thing I'm.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Really curious about to hear from you your thoughts and
by the way, Colin, I have at nine So if
you want to do the math thing, I'm curious for
you all. So, Culin has been very open and honest
in this podcast throughout our years of doing this. He
does not like when solo projects just adopt the name

(56:08):
I from my understanding, I could be wrong from my understanding,
just like you like you adopt like you know, if
I were to do a solo project, I would do.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
It's you know, Mason Meenegaeah.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
I hate that Colin's don into that right form my understanding,
and I could be wrong. Chris Staples outside of two
thirty eight in terms of a solo project, which this is.
This is his only solo project that is outside of
his name. And I'm curious for you, Colin, how that,

(56:40):
uh makes you know, makes a difference for you is
the fact that, like the name of it is not
Chris Staples. And obviously, once he started releasing as Chris Staples,
it eventually grew for him, which, like, you know, props
to him for that. But I'm curious for you, like,
how does it being named or branded under.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Discover America shape your opinion of it?

Speaker 1 (57:03):
It makes me want to listen to it more.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Oh interesting? Interesting? So you like, I mean, you're clearly
the hipster of the group.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
I don't think it's hipster. I just think that I
just think that I don't appreciate. I don't know if
it's like a narcissism or what it is about you
probably using your own name, but it's just not original.
It's not there's nothing creative in that.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah, yeah, you know I'm with I'm with Colin on
this one.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Yeah, so we're I mean, it's true, but I just
find it interesting. I think it's his only I could
be wrong, but I think it's his only solo thing
that at least has been released that is under a
different name. And let's be honest, it's probably his least
popular thing among two thirty eight and under his own name,
it's probably his least popular thing.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
So I think that is an interesting thing to know.
Is the thing that.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Colin likes the most about solo projects is the thing,
at least for Staples, that has been his least successful project.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yeah, you know, I think that there's something that goes
with that though, too, and that's that Tooth and Nail
putting out thirteen albums in two thousand and five is insane.
This is not a big record label putting out thirteen
albums from a record label this size means that at
least half of these are not going to get any

(58:24):
type of push whatsoever from from you think too much
from an average from a record label the size of
Tooth and Nail.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
I think yes, at this time too, Like this is
before they got bought out by im I or whatever
it was.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
It's just that they don't have the they don't have
the resources to be able to push all of these albums,
especially back then because back then it was like print media,
it was it was bookstores, like everything was physical, so
everything costs more in order to try to push or
promote an album. And so I think a lot of

(59:02):
these just flew under the radar because yeah, like they
just they kind of had to pick their winners and losers.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
That's fair, all right. So what's our average score on
this one?

Speaker 1 (59:15):
That was a nine point three? It's probably gonna put
it in uh what is it? C or D? Probably?

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Yeah? Probably? What what was our what was our belief score?

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Bleach my three.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
And that was a.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
That was the C I believe No, that was yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Ok So I gave it a seven, calling you gave
it a twelve? Twelve and Mason nine.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yep, Okay, there we go.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
I also, for whatever reason, I keep counting, I only
have twelve scores, but I have thirteen albums, so hopefully
hopefully math checks out. All right, So here is where
Discover America ranks. We're gonna currently put.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
It at seat. We'll see where it ends up actually landing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
But currently this is our ranking, so we've got a
few more albums to go, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
So next one.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Waking Ashland's Composure, which let me check really quick, but
I believe came out on May tenth of two thousand
and five, So May tenth of two thousand and five,
Waking Ashland's Composure.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
How did it hit?

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Back?

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Then? Where is it at? Now?

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Where are we at?

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
All?

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
I'll go then. I did not listen to this album
back in two thousand and five, and I did not
listen to this album until the beginning of this year.
Really yeah, we had Waking Ashland on the podcast and
it was fantastic, one of my favorite shows.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
We've ever done, Such a great episode.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
The dude is amazing. I would argue that Waking Ashland
is just fell victim to get lost in the shuffle,
a band that should have been bigger. I think that
they are like a not like a copycat of Reliant K,
but they have a lot of like Reliant K kind

(01:01:22):
of vibes. You know, a great tenor voice, poppy riffs,
sort of a poppy song structure, great songwriting all around there.
It's all all killer, no filler, on that entire album.
Composure is a great record. I wish I had more

(01:01:43):
to say about it, but I don't have much else.
I do really really like it, and it's growing on me,
you know, throughout this entire year. I have it at
number four number four?

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Yeah wow?

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Okay, so the retrospect is pretty powerful with that one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Yeah cool, Mason, are you good if I go next?

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Sure, let's hear it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Just jump in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
So this was a hard one for my ranking. I
can share it later. But there was like four different
albums that I was really having a hard time with
where I ranked them. So I might call an audible
on this one. I'm not quite sure, but Colon, I
have I have a little bit of a bone to
pick with you about your comparison with them to Reliant K.
When you say that, do you mean later Reliant K

(01:02:30):
when it became when they became way more piano rock,
because Waking Ashland is not pop punk at all?

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Definitely not. No, I'm not talking about I'm not talking
about really reliank K at all. Talking okay, Okay, like
Forget Not slow Down kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Era that makes way more sense, Okay, yeah, because that
but Forgetting not slowed down, came out I believe in
two thousand and eight or nine, and this album is
two thousand and five. I agree with you that I
on my I like second listen as in within this
past week, I was like, Wow, I do wish I

(01:03:06):
spent more time with this album. When I first heard it,
I heard the song like everyone else and their mother,
including my mother. The song I Am for You such
a perfect song. It's just it's just a perfect song.
It felt a bit like, you know, Christian something corporate.
I got excited. I listened through the album, and I

(01:03:26):
don't know if I was just expecting a bunch of
more like super catchy, like kind of yeah pop rock
songs just like that one. But I don't know. Again,
I think I might have just been way too much
into like screaming at the time that I liked that
one song and didn't give the album enough time. But
I wish that I did. Listening through this album again,

(01:03:47):
I was like, I think I missed out. I think
that I should have given it more time. I liked
it way more than I remember. I don't know. I
just I agree with you, Colin, I think they're underrated.
I I don't I think they were a little maybe
too much before their time, that maybe if they came out,
if this album came out around the same time it

(01:04:08):
is Forgetting Not So Down, they might have gotten more traction.
But this is a this is a great album. It's
not how do I explain this, It's like not my
favorite genre, but of the piano rock like pop rock
almost pop punk adjacent genre, they do it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
That's a that's a great take on that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
I really liked this album.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
It was an album when it came out.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
I like especially those two singles like hands on Deck
and obviously I Am for You I love I Am
for You. That was also one of those first songs
that ever tried to learn on guitar, and I still
remember like hands on it on Deck because it was
it's such a like a almost like a ballad type
of song. Like I remember like listening to that album

(01:04:59):
or listen that song like during like you know, at
this time of my life when I was like having
crushes for the first time, and I remember like thinking
like about like, oh, I'm gonna sing this song to
my first crush or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
So shout out to you, Brittany Anderston if you're listening.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
So anyway, I remember like just like having this like
visceral experience of just like how like emotional and like
Ballady this was at that time, and so I loved
this album.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Then I will.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Say so to me, like the retrospective of it, like
listening to it now, what's interesting for me is and
I think we were already kind of talking about this
a little bit with May, but I with especially with
Wak and Ashland, there's something about that piano rock vibe
where when I listened to it, I think, wow, this

(01:05:52):
is dated, Like this is so two thousand and five.
And yeah, and yet and this is where I think
like it like I'm like, oh, in my mind, I'm like, yes,
this is so two thousand and five that it feels dated.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
In that way.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
And yet I also am like trying to I'm like, wait,
this should come back, like this sound should be a
thing that we hear again when you listen to like,
let's say, for example, like the best version of eighties music,
like you know a lot of the like new wave
stuff that came out recently, Like you hear a lot

(01:06:24):
of new wave stuff coming from the eighties. It's like Oh,
of course that should have like come back at some point,
Like that makes sense. And so I think about that
with like this piano rock stuff from Wicky, n Ashland,
where I'm like, yes, it sounds very two thousand and five,
and yet I think it should come back. So I
don't in terms of the retrospective. It's kind of this

(01:06:44):
thing where it's like, wow, it sounds dated, and yet
I think it should come back at some point.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
So I don't know how that really factors into it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
But with the fact that it was like an album
where I liked it when it first came out, and
the fact that I'm like kind of in the like
in between, I don't really know how I think about it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
I've got a number six, which I think puts it
solidly in the middle for me. So number six for.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Me, Meg, What was your what was your ranking?

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Yeah, Like I said, I I'm having a hard time
with this. Originally I put it at ten, but I'm
actually calling an audible and switching it with another album
and I'm putting it at nine.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Ok.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Okay, what's the average score now? Colin?

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Average score is six point three three?

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Which where does that rank?

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
We haven't had anything in that ballpark really.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Is that lower than Discover America?

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
And I think that's a bee judging by what we
have it at right here?

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Oh okay, all right, so here we are at a
B so far right, but above or below.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Starflyer, Starflyers at a five point sixty six?

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
Okay, so a little below then, okay, all right, good
to know. All right, we'll keep it there for now.
We'll see what we'll see what happens. So all right,
the next one. I have a lot of things to
say about this one, and I will try to keep
my mouth shut as.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Much as possible.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Next the next original album was at the very end
of June, June twenty eighth, two thousand or two thousand
and five, Terminals, How the Lonely Jesus I knew this?
Thoughts on this one?

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Do you want to go first? Okay? This album pisses
me off, and for one reason only that no one
told me to listen to it earlier. That is the
reason it makes me angry, because if you would have.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Been listening to this podcast, Mason would have told you
a thousand.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Times, I'm an evangelist, I'm an evangelist, I'm an evangelist.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
I just I feel it's so difficult because do they
only have this one album?

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
The one is one and only, Okay and only.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
I'm like, where the hell was I? I was listening
to stuff that sounded exactly like this, and I saw
their name and I was like, huh, moving on. I
am so frustrated that I did not hear this earlier
because it is exactly like the stuff I was listening to,
and so as I was listening to it this week
for the first time ever, like embarrassingly, so I am

(01:09:20):
am just shocked at how good it is. Like, Okay,
so I have some takes as well, Mason, I'm sure
you have a lot to say as well. I loved
Emory and Further Teams Forever and like other Christian emo
stuff at the time, but somehow this album missed me.
Some of the album reminds me of early early Further
Teams Forever in certain songs the Wishing, Waiting something whatever

(01:09:41):
that song is called, and City by the Sea, like, honestly,
he even sings like his voice. I don't know this
guy's name, but his voice reminds me. If you take Okay,
if you take Chris Caraba's voice in further Teams Forever
the first record and Aaron Gillespie's voice, and you match
them together. That is what this guy sounds like. I
love it. I love I love that You're nodding so heavily, Mason.

(01:10:03):
This is so validating. I don't know, I just I
My only bone to pick with it is I wish
there was more screams like when they when they give
the screams, I'm like, Oh, this is everything I want.
And there's a song Sunday Parking Lot has gang vocals,
which I am such a sucker for. Oh it's so good.
I am so mad that I did not hear this

(01:10:24):
album until this week. It's so good.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Wait till this week, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Yes, yes, I hate myself.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Failed as a friend. I failed as a friend. I've
failed as a friend. Okay, here's my confessional right here,
right now, I have failed as a friend. If you
have not heard this album up until this week, oh
my god.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
I didn't know. I knew who they were, I had
no idea what they sounded like. And I loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Where do you rank this at?

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
I put it as a six, and that's mostly because
the albums before it were either nostalgic for me or
like very s tire. But it's a solid six and
it was the first time I heard it was this week.
That should say how good it is?

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Sure I'll bring the party down. I put this in Ohat.
I find this album oppressively boring, and I I should
like it's one of those albums like on paper, I
should totally like rite like we we talk about this
this conundrum Mason all the time on the podcast, but

(01:11:30):
I just don't get it. I think everyone in the
band's talented. I think the songs are are fine. There's
just a million other records I'd rather listen to. I
think that almost every song is basically the exact same tempo,
Like I swear to God, it doesn't change more than

(01:11:52):
like ten beats per minute the entire record.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Have you listened to em before?

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
I love emo, but I'm not a fan of like
softy emo?

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
If that makes sense?

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
And I kind of would lump.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
That vocals dude to say, I don't know if this
is softy emo. Softy emo is like sunny day real Estate?

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Are listening to?

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Real Estate? Is not soft emo? How is that soft emo?

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
There's so.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
But still like Real Estate, there's like a heavy, there's heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Okay. Mason told me to disagree when I disagree, so
I'm disagree, disagree.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I don't know. I'm also not like a Dashboard Confessional fan.
I'm not a Second Serenade fan. I'm not like a
fan of that version of Emo, I guess, and I
think that this really does kind of fall into that
same kind of category, at least for me personally. And
you can say, no, I've tried giving this album so
many chances, like since two thousand and five, I've probably

(01:12:59):
picked up this record and played it trying to like it,
because like I'm a big believer in like there's something
good and everything. The one thing I can say that's
really great about this record is the soft parts are amazing.
Like when he sings delicately and they play delicately, it's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
It's so funny because literally, she's like, I know, like
the heavy parts.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
The heavy parts are so lame to me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
The heavy the opposite.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
The heavy parts of this record are so fucking lame
to me. I just can't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Oh that's crazy. I feel like I have such a
severe cringe factor, But I liked this album on the
first listen, which is so rare for me. I don't,
I don't know, I will.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
I will say this though, genuinely cool people in this
man and.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
This is incredible, great guy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Yeah, it pains me to say that I don't like
this record. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
Well, and most of them ended up well and most
of them ended up forming O Sleeper by the way too,
So yes, yes, yes, yes, I do you not know that? Yeah,
three of the five guys ended up forming O Sleeper.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Which is another reason why now they're all.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
From the same area in Texas.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Yeah, I loved Slash Love O Sleeper. I saw O
Sleeper with Emery with my mom in twenty eighteen. My
mom was like sixty seven at the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Time they just announced coming off the new album.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
By the way, I did see that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
I did see that shout out a Sleeper hopefully we
had on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
This album. Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
So I feel like my ranking is not indicative of
how I feel about this album, and maybe it's because
I just ranked it poorly. I absolutely loved this album.
I loved it then. I still remember listening to like
the pure volume like songs that they had on Obviously,

(01:15:00):
on pure volume at that time, listening to them over
and over and over.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Loved it then then was illegal illegally.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
Downloaded the album online wire put it on my little
iPod nano, like the.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
You know those little clip on ones illegally downloaded on
that listen to it in eighth grade.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
I still remember going to eighth grade science class with
mister Struey and just listening to that album while I
was doing my work, and uh, and I just was like,
this is so good.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Uh and I I.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
Like, I've still to this day, I think it's one
of the better pop punk albums emo albums I've ever
heard in my life. I think it's severely underrated in
that world. Yeah, I I that emo whatever, whatever you
want to call it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
It's whatever, whatever you want to call it, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
You want to call it. It's definitively a third wave
emo album that I willy on that head.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
All right, Chris, let's let all right, I have no
I have no feelings about that. Let's go third wave
evo emo. So third wave emo it is. It is definitively,
definitively one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Of the best I've ever heard.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
Uh And like Meg has just discovered, unlike Cullen's clearly
on culture years.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
It is truly unbelievable. It really is truly unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
So I I have I will stand to this day.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
It is one of the.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
Best albums I've ever heard, top fifty albums of all
time for me, uh, it is so good. It was
good then, it's good now. And yet because of this
year of tooth and nail, I believe I have it
at number four.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
It is such a good album though.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
It's such a good album though I can't stress number four.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
It's such a good number four is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
High my I think, what did I give it a six?
Seven six? Yeah, you gave it us and then you gave.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
It a ten? Right, it's so good?

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Yes, that means so.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
What does that bring us to? Also, I'm not sure
I trust Colin with the math.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
It gets the double score of six point six six Hell.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Yeah, Okay, so that's lower than Tier right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Slightly lower than Waking Ashland.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Okay, slightly slightly Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
That makes me. That makes me reconsider my audible because
I like I like this album so much.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
More than do we put it in se tier or
do we put it in be Tier? Lower than Waking Ashland.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
It would be just lower than Waking Ashland in B tier,
so right here according to the score right now, but
we can want.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
That hurts my heart, but I understand.

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
It is such a good album that doesn't deserve that.
Fuck you Color, I knew that was going to happen.
I knew that was going to happen. He's an asshole.
Meg just learned Colin's an asshole. He has bad music taste.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Like Colin seems.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Like actually one of the most genuine people I've ever met,
to be fair, I just think he is wrong. He's
wrong in this takes.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
He's so wrong about this.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
I've been arguing with him about this for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
And the fact that he said that, like this album
is like boring or whatever, but then we're talking about
Sunda Day real Estate and he says that that's not boring.
I'm just like, I know they're important, and the way
that you feel about this Terminal album is the way
I feel about Sunda Day real Estate, where I listen
to them all like I try to get into it,
like I know it's important, like they have a couple bangers,
but I just can't. I just can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
And heavy parts are actually heavy. I think that's what
does it for me. I think it's just the pay,
you know. I think that's what I think. That's why.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Yeah, Old National, though, don't even get me started. If
you bring up the National, We'll be here all night.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
No, the National heavy when they go heavy in peract,
when the National correct?

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Yeah, okay, all right, Mason has the right take Mason's that's.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
My that's my take about the National, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
The next one, I'm really actually I feel like this
one might be the most divided one. I'm really curious
about this one though. All Right, So the next one
very similar to uh sorry, Terminals, how the Lonely keep?
This one is number one Guns promises for the imperfect

(01:19:45):
or Imperfect July nineteenth of twenty five, two thousand and five.
So yeah, mid July promises for the IMPROVECTU.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Number one gun on this one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Start us off on this one.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
I love this album, not nearly as much as Terminal's album.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
So here's what I'll say. This album feels very top
heavy for me.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
The few songs that are really good on this album
are incredible on this album. The rest of them, they're
just May. There's just May a lot of filler, but
the top ones unbelievable. I will still listen. I literally,
I will actively go on YouTube music because this album
is not on Spotify.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
I will actively go on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Music just so I my YouTube music account.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
I'm well, I have Spotify and I'm a shitty person
in that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Are you on my YouTube music account? I just don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
Well, I'm on your YouTube things, so I would imagine
I'm on your YouTube music thing. Yeah whatever that Like
you've added me as a family member on your YouTube
I could.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
So You're welcome for for not making you sit through three.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
I'm gonna edit that part out.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Uh, it's a good content.

Speaker 4 (01:21:13):
I do think this album, though, the top heavy part
of it, like the top singles unbelievable, some of the
best I've ever heard in especially in that like era
of Uh tooth and Nail. But my goodness, like the
rest of it is like kind for me, like very

(01:21:34):
like this is like May not not that it's bad,
it's just like May. So it's one of those albums
where it's it feels just so top heavy. So I
have it at number five for me, so just below
just below terminal for me. But I do really like

(01:21:54):
this album for the like three or four songs I
really love from.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
So you're saying, like basically an EP worth of songs
is what is what drives it down?

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Yeah, it's one of those.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
Yeah, it's one of those albums for me where it's
just like it in me if I if I can
just add, I do think they get better moving forward.
Number one Gun does get better moving forward way, and
I like it is one of those bands that like,
I like, I know, like things kind of imploded and
it was whatever, but they were a band.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
That like got better moving forward.

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
But my goodness, like even like the album before this,
which I think correct me if I'm wrong. I think
was on Floodgate Records. The album before they were actually
on Tooth and Nail was really good as well. But
this album those first, like I think it might be
like the first like three or four songs, huge fan.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
So was it Aaron Rodgers that wore a number one
gun shirt?

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
That's my my like we could look it up as
meg or you talk, but I believe it was.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Yeah, anyone that Aaron Rodgers listens to I don't like.
But when I was young, I really liked this album
a lot loved it, listen to it all the time,
especially like just like what Mason said, the first half
of the album was amazing. Second half of the album

(01:23:19):
was okay at best, some some cool parts, but nothing
nothing crazy great songwriting. Tell me what you guys say,
do you feel like do you know what the lead
singer's name.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
Is, Jeff something, It's Jeff whatever, his last name is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
His name is Jeff Jeff is I almost feel like
putting on a voice here, almost like he's because like
his his the later or the more recent number one
Gun albums, it's not nearly this pronounced, but on this

(01:23:58):
record in particular, and then the one before, it's a
very pronounced, like whiny, trying to sound emo kind of voice.
And it really going back to listen to this album,
it was very off putting to me. Oh and when
I was young, I just don't think I realized that.
But now I'm like, that feels so manufactured and so fake,

(01:24:19):
and it makes me really dislike it. I don't really
have much else to say. I put it out on
Kevin now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Oh that's what I put it as. Okay, all right, yeah, okay,
I don't have a lot to say about this as well.
Number one Gun is an album I have known since
I was in my early teenage years. I think I
got baited into being told that they were a pop
punk band and then listen to them and realize quickly
they are absolutely not a pop punk band. So maybe

(01:24:51):
I heard them too early. Maybe if I heard them
when I got into more emo stuff, I would have
liked them. Listening to this record this week, I liked it.
I think more than I expected. It sounded different than
I expected it. In my notes, I wrote not as
good as Terminal Emo, but still good.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
Fair That's forever.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
That's what I have written down. Yeah, So the first
song I will say is the best on the album.
That's my opinion, Mason, you already said it. It's top heavy,
there's a few tracks that are fantastic, and then the
rest are kind of forgettable. Who you Are is good.
So the first song I forgot what it's called, but
whatever that one is called Who you Are Your Time
is Now. That's a song that's a little more poppy

(01:25:35):
than I usually like, but I think it's such a
solid catchy song that I enjoy it, and I like
the synths on the song all you Have I don't
have many notes besides that, I just I don't know.
I want to revisit it. Maybe i'll like it more,
maybe I'll have the same take. But it was good,
it was fine. It didn't blow me away. I put
it at eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
Good call, all right? So that puts us out a
note which is slightly better than Discover America.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Okay, nine? Really damn higher or lower?

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Mason?

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
I kind of thought it would be a little higher,
all right? So, like, is it higher than Bleach?

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
That's the wrong album?

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
You're right, You're right, higher than Bleach.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Just higher than Discover America?

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Right sor right here?

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Okay? Interesting?

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
I mean I'm not gonna like hate that, so I
like it is what it is, sure, Okay? All right?
The next one, Oh God, love this so much.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
It's joy electric, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
Oh? The same the same day, the same day.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
That Promises for the Imperfective came out with Number one
Gun or from from Number one Gun. The same day,
thousand Foot Crutch released the art of I have.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
So many words. I have so many words.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
For this than Foot Crutch.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
I think Mason should go first, just because, okay, I
just I like could think of his little Mason throwing
up his little rock fist and all that fun stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
So yeah, well that wasn't this album though, that's no
I know, No I know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
I was about to say that wasn't this album.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
No I know, but like Mason would just be like grenade,
that's such a great song name, that's that's basically that's
basically my life, all.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Right, So uh, I'm fine with going first.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
So Thousand Foot Crutch The Art of Breaking This came
out pretty much right around the time that I fell
in love with Thousand Foot Crutch.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
They for a hot moment for a year.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
They were my top favorite band maybe like a right
around the time that this came out. There's probably probably
leaned into like I liked other things, but it was
right around this time where I just loved anything thousand
for Crutch because Phenomena was my favorite album at that time,

(01:28:13):
without a doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Uh. And I remember going to one.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
Of their shows at a festival that Colin and I
typically went to in South Dakota and they were playing
and you know, just like losing my mind, and yeah,
like I think Move came out on this album.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
You know, Move was.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
A I wouldn't be surprised if that was like on
like Sports Center or something. It was it was popular, right,
and yeah, that like version of thousand foot Crutch super
into but it kind of ended really quickly, so like
I'm trying to like think about it in like two
thousand and five, for me, like I liked one song

(01:28:56):
from this album like thousand for Crutch for a high second,
and then immediately moved off of that to like me
Without You under Oath everything else that was coming out,
and like tooth and Nail Saw to Stay at that time.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
I love how you and I have like the same
trajectory for us thousand for Crutch and for me it
was skilly.

Speaker 4 (01:29:15):
Yeah, so like you're truly truly what So I'm like,
I moved off of it really quickly, but like it
was the hottest.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Thing for me at one point.

Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
So I will say at the time that it came out,
I do remember moving a big deal for me, but
that was it, like truly, I'll be honest, that was it.
I liked Move. Everything else at that time, eh wasn't
my thing. And so because of that and then obviously
listening to it back now, I'm like, yeah, whatever, I've

(01:29:47):
got it at number ten.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Okay, uh Colin, can I go next?

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Go ahead, Okay, Mason and I P shit your takes.
Interestingly enough, I have the most notes written for this album.
Why and I have and I have ranked it the lowest.
It is number thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
The most notes. How do you have the most notes?

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Because I had a lot of opinions. I'm going to
actually read some of these. So we my family owned
this album. My mom and my brother both really love
thousand Crutch and I did as well. This album did
not hit me. I got baited by thousand Crutch in
like two thousand and one. When I first heard them

(01:30:39):
and heard the song, went in doubt because I was like,
oh sick, another Christian pop punk band, like we're lying
k or MxPx and I put it on the I
was in eighth grade. I put went in doubt on
the first mixed I ever made. I was like, Oh,
this is amazing. I was so excited we got the
album and I was like, what the hell? What is this?
There's like rap rock. This is not what I signed

(01:31:00):
up for. And uh yeah, I think I've held a
mild resentment for them ever since that. And I don't know,
it's like Okay. It's like if you uh are pouring
out a drink, Like you go to drink a glass
of orange juice and then you drink it and you
find out it's milk instead.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
It's like, this is not a lot of what a
perfect analogy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Thank you so much. It's just like, okay, Like if
I would have known that they were trying to do
rap rock or new metal, I might have been more
into it, but I got baited and thinking they were
gonna be pop punk, and I was like no, because
it's not like I didn't like the rock rap stuff
like I love Love Pactice seventeen and Pillar and all
that stuff in the Arrow when I was like in
eighth grade or whatever. But yeah, I heard this album

(01:31:47):
in two thousand and five and gave them a chance
to change my opinion on them, and they did not
help my opinion at all. Like this album just did
not do it. I think it was too new metal
for me, and like not in a good way. I think. Again,
I've mentioned this before, but by two this and five
I was getting more into screamow and emo and metalcore
and Indian stuff, and I still love pop punk, so

(01:32:08):
this genre was not my thing at the time, and
then I was like, Okay, I have a special place
in my heart for New Metal. I still love Lincoln Park, Like, okay,
let's try this. So I listened to the whole thing
again and it was not good. It was just I
don't know. I I get that some of the songs

(01:32:29):
are catchy and why they're huge, especially for angsty teenagers,
but this is not something I would listen to now.
Even if I wanted to listen to New Metal, I
would just put on Lincoln Park instead. So yeah, I
just I don't know. It was it's not for me.
Some other some of their songs sound like they're trying
to be Incubus or Chevelle, but not as good. And

(01:32:51):
that's my take, and it's my number thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
I feel that Big Time a me art of breaking
is like thousand foot Crutch and still like a semi
credible era. They are obviously dad Rock, I mean, like
it was dad Rock, that is dad Rock now true,

(01:33:17):
like this is the kind of thing that like the promim.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Dad Rock approved then definitely like.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
The promise keepers guys at my local church definitely got
down to some some thousand foot Crutch, uh, and they
got their their emotions out a little bit. And you
know what, I think that music serves a purpose in
this world because you know, mental health, mental health. At
least it's November mental health. So I going back to

(01:33:50):
listen to this album. So back then I was a
casual listener of a thousand foot crutch. A song or
here or there was fine. I wasn't like super into it,
but it was a okay. Going back to listen to
it now, I forgot about the vocal talent of Trevor McNevin,
or even how you say it, however you say it,

(01:34:10):
talent like it's actually impressive, like he hit some pretty
impressive notes. Uh, that surprise me.

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
He's not a bad rapper, Like I'm not saying he's
a great rapper, but he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
A bad I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Talking about his rapping parts. I'm talking about his actual
singing parts, like his Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
But if you combine that, like his decent singing, like
good singing, and then like not bad rapping, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
It's good, it's good flow, it's bad rhyme scheme. That's
what I would say, especially the English teacher over here,
that's yeah, it's very surface. Levelly right, yes, yes, yeah,
so I would. I would just say I don't absolutely
hate this, but I don't love it in any sense
of the word. It's just pretty forget in my opinion. Uh,

(01:35:03):
I do think I had one or two of these
songs on like a lifting playlist back in back in
middle out.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
Yeah that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
That's that's that's the only place that should really go.
It should be in your dad's MIDI van, and it
should be in uh in the weight room. Yeah, did
you just did you just do this?

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
No that I thought, I think I think I don't
know if does that mean something?

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
Yeah? Yeah, it's like a total what do they call it?
I don't know. My students do that all the time
still they.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Go it was like a mew oh that's me. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah I did not. I just went like this. I
just was itching my chin.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
Gotcha. You're very grainy on our on our side of
the video. So I thought was like, oh, that's perfect.
It's basically like it's like it's like mewing. That's what
TFK is? All right? That gets a ten zero point
sixty six.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
On our So where do we where do we put
that on here?

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
That would be a D lower than Bleach that d
D Yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Originally four left.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
We're almost there, guys, we're getting there. Okay, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
The next one, though, this will this will change, this
will change our I feel like this will change our attitudes.
The next one came out and I'm looking here really quickly,
not that much later than tfk's album in August of

(01:36:44):
the second of two thousand and five, emerys the question, Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
I I would like.

Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
To not go first on this one because I have
things to say about this. I'm sure you have things
to say about this, Meg, and I'm sure you have
to say things to say about this.

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
Call it. I have a.

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
Pretty good sense of where this is going, so we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
Yeah, you may go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
I have no notes on this album because it is
my number one. I don't need them. I remember where
I was when I first heard this album. I remember
how I felt. I just it's one of those memories
that is seared into my high school brain. So Mason,
cut me off. I'm sharing too much, okay, because I

(01:37:35):
don't got notes. So I was a I believe, a
junior in high school. It's two thousand and five, you
said August, right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Yep, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
I think I was a fourth grader still, oh, almost
about to be a fifth grader, almost to be about
the fifth grader.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
So I was cool, cool, cool cool. So my boyfriend
broke up with me a few months earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
Fifth grade, just broke up with me.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Okay. So when I was a junior in high school,
I we had not quite started my senior year yet,
we were on. I was in a kids band at
my local church, and we were I'm not kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
Tell us more about the kids band. What is the
kids band? Because this sounds.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
Playing big House the entire.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Time, real Big Mason, Mason. We played big House.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
We played that in our You did, of course you did.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
I played keys, I played piano, and I sang. In
this kid's band. We were called the G Force Band. No,
it did not start stand for for God Force. Okay, okay,
Colin is dying, all right, okay, all right, the G
the G Force band stood for I can't even.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
Was the high school band the band?

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Are you allowed to say that on this podcast?

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Of course we act our podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
It was stood for generation for Christ in Excellence, I
don't know, so obvious to all of us, obviously. So
this was our second or third tour, going to southern California. Okay,
all right, why am I sharing this because we were

(01:39:38):
not bad. We were not bad for a children's church band, Okay,
we got hired. It was a bunch of high school students.
We played in this kid's band and we got hired
to go on tour to play at a summer BBS
in southern California. I like you, but you're making you're

(01:39:59):
making an end. Then I'm just trying to like so
G force, Yes, yes, that's called.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
I just like know myself well enough to know, like,
that's not what I'm about to say. I'm about to
say something other than G force.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
I know, I know. Okay, I was an innocent sixteen
year old. Please give me a break.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
Of course, I think we have nothing to do with this.
I'm trying to own my own shed.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
So it was the summer still, we had not started school.
We were going down to southern California. We were there
for the whole week. We got hired by this church
in for the tour. It wasn't actually a tour. It
was just one one church, one megachurch in southern California.
That's one fancy Pants Kids band. It was a gig

(01:40:50):
for their VBS for the end of the summer. Okay,
So we go down to La County, Ish area, right,
and we have our nights free. So it's a bunch
of high school kids with our chaperones. One of the
chaperones was my mother. We go to I don't remember
if it was Virgin Records or some kind of what
were the Big Records or Capitol Records. Some record shop

(01:41:12):
we go to and by records. I need CDs at
this time cause it's two thousand and five. So we're
down in southern California and we all get free to
go that night. It was it was either the day
that The Question was released or the day after or something.
But I loved their first record so much, and I

(01:41:35):
bought that album either the day it came out or
the day after it came out. And I remember my
other friend who was in the g Fource band, her
name was Brittany. She bought some Hillary Okay, Mason can't
handle this, Okay, I will not say it again. Okay,
she bought like a Hillary Duff album or something. And
we were sharing a room because it's a bunch of
high school students, and so her and I are in

(01:41:56):
the same room together and we are laying in bed
that night listen to the CDs we bought that day
when we had our free time in like La running around.
I bought the Question. She bought some I don't know pop.
I think it was Hillary Duff, I'm pretty sure. And
we were laying there and we're laughing about how different
the albums are that we're listening.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
To clearly, clearly.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
And I loved it then and I love it now,
and I think I know ninety percent of the words
of that album. I think that they perfected like mall
Screamo or whatever you want to call it, like between
under Os, they're only chasing safety and Emory's the question
as far as Christian pop Screamo goes. Those albums are

(01:42:41):
perfect and you cannot top them. And I love them
and I any like I'm I. I have tickets to
go see Emory play through the Question. They're playing this
year or next year something. I have tickets to it already.
It's I love this album. It's my number.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
One love it. That was amazing. Do you have a
picture of the g Force?

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
I do, Unfortunately, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
Can you send that to Mason and I because I
just have to wrap my head around and love you will.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
See you will see baby Meg fifteen, sixteen year old Meg,
it's very bad.

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
I love that it's a children's band and it's yes,
teenagers in it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
Yes, I mean if they're like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen?

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
Yeah, I get it. Anyway, that's my take, G Force.
The point is that I remember the day I bought
this album and when it came out, and it was
so important to me.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
Do you know how much I remember that part.

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
It's the fact that it's called G Force and you're
like a band when you're like fourteen years old.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
Do you know how it's like fifteen or sixteen?

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
Do you know how much more respect I have for you?

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
No, but I'll take it. I don't understand it, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
It's it's just a little bit more, but it was.
It was awesome that you told us that story.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
Okay, great, all right, no regrets? Great, all right? Next? Anyway,
who's next?

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
Go ahead, Mason.

Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
I remember when Studying Politics came out the music video
stew Roots.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
Of course we've talked about that, uh times.

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Yeah, I I mean, it's just it was so life
changing at that time. And then I still remember like
as I was listening to the entire album, like I
remember I think.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
It's called The Terrible Secret or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
That that song, like thinking to myself, like even at
that time, like I was eleven, twelve years old, eleven
years old, I don't remember how old I was. I
was so young, but I remember thinking to myself.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
This is just so well written.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
Like it's just like the way that like that song
is written, even though it wasn't a but I was
listening to it and thinking to myself, this is well written.
Just the entire album is just so well done. I remember,
like maybe a month or so ago, I was listening
to this entire album when I was on a run

(01:45:16):
and just thinking to myself, Yep, this hold up to
this day. Yep, yep, yeah it does. And I think
it was maybe around that time that, like Colin and
I we saw them on tour playing this entire album,
and I just remember thinking to myself, Yep, this this
holds up. It was incredible then, it's incredible now, and

(01:45:36):
to me, because of that, it was incredible then and
because it's incredible now, it's number one. It has to
be number one. Oh yeah, So Emery is the question
number one for me as much as there's some other
albums where I was just like, god, there's so good
this album. It holds up, then it holds up now

(01:45:58):
it's so good.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
It like it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:00):
It's one of those albums where if people like Meg
you mentioned, like god, this is like so like two
thousand and five mall core.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
It might be that. That's for sure, Like that's true
if you listen to it now though, it's still like
it holds up.

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
It's like it doesn't like it doesn't just feel like
just mall core, Like it has its own thing.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
It's it's incredible. It's an incredible album through and through.
I love it. Yeah, that's number one for me.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Yeah, well, I'm saying whatever mall Core was, whatever Scream
oh was that album perfected it? So?

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
Yeah, yeah it did it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
You guys took every word that I could possibly say
out of my mouth already. But I will add this.
When I was young, I actually came to this record light.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
Like mostly and I think it was.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
I think it was. I think it was because of
the name Emery. I did not so at the time,
I was like looking for like the heaviest thing I
could find, or the most emotional thing I could find, right,
and Emory seemed like a girl's name, and I was like, yeah,
well I'm not you know, I'm not going to really

(01:47:16):
give that a chance. And then just like Mason I saw,
I saw, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
It was studying politics.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Probably it was not studying politics. It was.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
I don't know if they had any other music video, though.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
They did, but it was not on this album. It
was actually I'm Only a Man?

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
Walls?

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
No, I'm the Only Man. That was the album.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
After the party song, the party song, Oh, the party
song yeah, the party song.

Speaker 1 (01:47:46):
Yeah is I was like, whoa, this is awesome. And
then I went back and I listened to the question.
So it's probably like two thousand and seven.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
Yeah, I think six. I Think I'm Only a Man
came out in two thousand and seven.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Yeah, so two thousand and seven is when I first
heard the question and I was like, whoa, I missed this.
I need to uh dive in. And I was hooked
from the beginning. It was like crack cocaine directly into
my veins. Amazing. Loved it. Amazing hooks, memorable lines. They

(01:48:22):
had a nat and they still do, like even like
they're like their new albums, like they have a knack
of like taking what would generally be considered cheesy lines
and making them sound not cheesy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
Over one million, over and over and over.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
Yes, yep, that's a talent that is incredible. You can't
beat that.

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
So how much do you think how much do you
think is so what I feel like different differentiates Emery
from probably any other band in this world. And this
is my this might be the thing that like you're
you're saying, is like why it's like not cheesy for you?
They were able to do the the like back and

(01:49:10):
forth kind of almost like choir kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
Yeah, a little bit, Yeah for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
I think that's how much do you think that differentiates them? Like,
I mean, I do think like sound wise, it differentiates them.
But how much do you think from like lyrically, like
is it able for them to like because they would
do the back and forth.

Speaker 3 (01:49:29):
Thing so much? How much does do you think.

Speaker 4 (01:49:31):
That that like plays a factor into the fact that
they could like go back and forth on these whatever
lyrics certainly possible.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
I mean, at the same time, Like I'm I've always
been a huge Beatles fan, right, And Paul McCartney and
John Lennon would trade vocals all the time, and they
would harmonize with one another all the time. And so
I think like naturally ingrained to me was like this
like natural desire to like want to gravitate towards something
like that. And yeah, in the heavy music world, it's

(01:50:02):
kind of rare.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
I mean, you see you don't You don't hear that often.

Speaker 1 (01:50:05):
Yeah, you see it in some bands, but like Emery
does it just as good, if not better than everyone else, right,
And that's I think that's part of it for sure.
I think the other part is that they were just
like this might be a cheesy line, and I'm going
to own it. It's so so much authenticity because you

(01:50:26):
think of like a young a young man or even
like an old boy like writing these lyrics down and
believing them one hundred percent, and if they believe it enough,
it's it is perception is reality, right, So I think
that's why I think that's why it still lands, and
that's why it still holds up because I mean, to

(01:50:48):
be honest, most of the most of the lyrical content.
I don't like identify with anymore, right, but I still
can like think of, you know, young me identifying with it.
And that's enough.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
Yeah, I have a couple of footnotes to add to this.
First of all, Colin, you explained that so well, their
harmonies are impeccable, like they're gorgeous. I mean they have
on the first record as well, but the second album.
It's the back and forth. I mean, I mean, Mason,
I understand you went and saw Converge instead of seeing
Emory at Furnacefest. I get it, but I gotta say they.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
Mason did not see coverage. Mason was looking at the
porch of an old house.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
We don't he was, Okay, I forgot. I'm sorry that
I brought that up. You're right, I thought that he
was a Converged never mind, never mind anyway, I'll have
to say if we want to.

Speaker 1 (01:51:46):
But the reason I did that, though, by the way,
is because we just saw them like a month before
play that same That's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
Yeah, okay, So I had not you guys, I had
not seen Emory since two thousand and fifteen, and when
I saw them play with as City's Burn actually, which
was amazing, but that's the last time. I no, no,
I'm sorry. I lied twenty eighteen when I saw them
open for Oasleeper, But they played a lot of new
songs that I didn't really know very well. When they

(01:52:14):
played it Furnace Fest this year, which was like literally
a month ago, exactly, they played all old songs. I
was almost in tears because it was so beautiful and
their harmonies were incredible, and like, I don't know, it
was just perfect. It was exactly anything I could have wanted.
But I did want to point out a certain song
we've talked about how Colin, I think you pointed out

(01:52:35):
how some of the lyrics could have been contrived or cheesy,
but they sing it so earnestly and authentically that it's
just like I believe you. I believe that you were
in the space and you believe the things that you're saying.
There's a song called listening to Freddie Mercury, Yes, And
I need to point out that song because in a
similar vein that five Iron Frenzy shaped a lot of

(01:52:57):
my theology and politics. That song, first of all, it's
a badass song. It's so good, it's a catchy song,
it's interesting enough to keep you, to keep you interested,
but it's like catchy enough to have these different hooks
and have it get stuck in your head. I remember
listening to the song with my sister and my best

(01:53:19):
friend and other students in our tiny Christian high school,
and like the names that he's naming in that song
are like different girls, like in our small Christian high school,
and so we like gravitated towards it. But the whole
point of the song being like Christians have different convictions
about different things, and we need to stop vilifying each

(01:53:40):
other and just be unified in the thing that is important,
and that is about Jesus, and that's it. And if
you're going to like be like you're not a Christian
because you listen to the secular band who swears, like
shut up? Who cares? That song impacted me so much
and I just needed to call that out.

Speaker 4 (01:54:00):
Yeah yeah, I think what's interesting is like maybe ten
years later, So this was released in two thousand and five,
ten years later.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (01:54:10):
By by that point Bad Christian became a thing, And
like I think about, like how the fact that like
that song came out in two thousand and five Bad
Christian does their thing whenever that starts coming out, but
like certainly by twenty fifteen, ten years later, after the
question comes out, it's like, how are you all like

(01:54:31):
still like thinking like Emery's this band that like is
gonna be this like hard line. We're gonna like there's
only a certain way of doing this kind of thing.
Like in two thousand and five, they were already releasing
this song where it was like they were calling out
all of you people that were the people. Yes, we're
calling out the bad Christian podcast. Like I just like

(01:54:53):
think about that all the time too, Like I don't know,
it's a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
Yeah, yeah, one last side note, My best friend, her
name is Jess, and she lives in LA and she's
like a famous painter. I texted her and my sister
that I was going to be on this podcast and
I was gonna get to talk about this album which
was important to us, specifically the song I just discussed.
She texted me as we are recording and said to me,
playing listening to Freddie Mercury right now, and hell yeah,

(01:55:20):
I love the song then and this album and honestly
it's still hits.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
Hell yeah, it does it? Does it?

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Does right now. I got that texts five minutes ago.

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
So here we are. It's number one for me? Where
was it for you?

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
Two?

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
For me? Number two? And then Meg number one, number one.

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
This makes it easily gotta.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
Be here easily, all right, So my screen.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
Amberlin's got to go to a tier.

Speaker 3 (01:55:50):
I'm sorry, Amberlin.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
Amberlin could be s tier still, but after Emory.

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
I don't think so. I think you got to you guys,
there's gotta be wild.

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
I like, I like the way that it's shaping up
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
I'm like, oh, Mason, you said you said that you
wanted it to look like this. Look at it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:08):
Yeah, I'm seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
I'm just saying the bell curve, the bell curve there,
it is like that curve.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:56:14):
We got a couple more, all right, So uh, next
one joy Electric the Ministry of Archers, which came out
in Looking right Here, just not that much longer August
of twenty nine, of twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
So first I'll go first on this.

Speaker 4 (01:56:36):
Yeah, I don't really have any opinions too much to
say about this, so.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
That's that's great. So this is Jason Martin's brother, I
believe right, it is Chris Martin Martin is Ronnie Ronnie.
Chris Martin's from Cold Plate.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
That's correct.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
Differently, I hate this and everything about it. Oh my god,
I did not know this is going to be a
controversial take.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
I'm dead.

Speaker 1 (01:57:09):
I really did not know this is going to be controversial.

Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
I'm just gonna be the biggest dichotomy here. Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
I'm so sorry, Meg, I'm so sorry. I did not
know this is going to be controversial. I thought everyone
hated this album.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
No, not even a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:57:26):
In my opinion, this blows so much chunks to Kingdom.

Speaker 2 (01:57:30):
Come wait, okay, Colin, I have a question. I want
to hear all your thoughts about this album. Do you
in general hate Joe Electric?

Speaker 1 (01:57:40):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
Yeah, Okay, there you go. That's it. That's that's all
I need to know. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
Yeah. To be fair, maybe I haven't given it enough
time or anything like that, but I hated it when
I was young. I thought it sounded like sophomoric and
childish back then, and I think it sounds sophomoric and
childish now. And I'm really not trying to say that
to be mean by any means. I just despise Joy Electric,

(01:58:10):
and I especially despise the ministry of archers. I think
there's some like cool things when it comes to like
like the lyrical content and stuff. I like, I like
where where where Martin was going on some of the stuff.
But I just cannot get into it. The music is
so off putting to me. Okay, it just it feels

(01:58:32):
very poorly thought out and rat real mix. And yeah,
I'm sorry, I don't I don't. Like I said, I
don't mean to be mean, but I just I really no, no,
no this album.

Speaker 2 (01:58:47):
Mason said that we might have some like controversial takes
and some heavy disagreements. So Colin, do you not like
any of the kind of heavy bleeps and bloops sounding artists?
Is that your thing? Is?

Speaker 3 (01:59:00):
Is?

Speaker 1 (01:59:00):
Just?

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
Is it not your thing?

Speaker 1 (01:59:01):
I mean no, totally not. In fact, I love a
lot of electronic artists in general. Interesting, but this sounds
so samply. I'm not that samply.

Speaker 3 (01:59:15):
That's not that's at all.

Speaker 1 (01:59:18):
No, no, no, no, that's that's the incorrect word.

Speaker 3 (01:59:20):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
It sounds like a cheap keyboard sample, like do you
know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
Like, I mean, he has an entire song called Monosynth
talking about his monosynth.

Speaker 1 (01:59:33):
Right, I know it's I wish I could explain this better,
but I just can't. The words are not coming to me.

Speaker 2 (01:59:42):
Okay, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:59:45):
It feels like something I could have made fifteen years ago, that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
You personally, you could have made this album yourself. Is
that what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
I do feel like that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
Wow, Okay, Mason, I want to hear your take for
I share mine. If you're okay with that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:04):
You're gonna hate me, Meg.

Speaker 4 (02:00:09):
I am just so maybe it's I'll here, here's what
I'll say. It's just not my style of music, Okay,
any sort of like synthpop stuff. There's some of it
that I'm like, not like into this being one of them.
There's some of it that I'm like a little bit

(02:00:30):
more into. Like I don't know if you ever listen
to Youth Lagoon.

Speaker 3 (02:00:34):
I really like.

Speaker 4 (02:00:35):
Youth Lagoon has like a synthpop, but this it feels like,
honestly it. Okay, this is gonna be very disparaging. Okay,
So okay owning that, I'm owning that, Okay, it's my
own thing. It sounds like eight bit, like Nintendo Core but.

Speaker 2 (02:00:57):
Synthp Okay to be fair.

Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
It owns like that, and I'm like, it's not my thing, y,
It's just not my thing.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
Okay, there are some songs I'll give you a credit
where it's due that do sound very video game eight bits.
I get that fully. I just think it's so unique
and interesting and like very disagree with Colin. I don't
think there's anyone in hell I could have made what
he made. I think it's unique. I think there's nothing,

(02:01:26):
nothing in the Christian world that sounded anything remotely like this.
I mean, it's hard to even define me.

Speaker 3 (02:01:32):
Why would you if you were a Christian? Why else
would you do that?

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
I'm just saying, like it's so unique and so interesting or.

Speaker 3 (02:01:42):
You're the only one, because who else would view that?

Speaker 2 (02:01:48):
You guys? It's I don't know. I don't know. And
it's the craziest thing because Joy Electric is not one
of my favorite bands in the whole world, but I
I listened to this album. Uh not when it came
out into the seven Sorry, Mason, I feel like I'm
cutting into your time. What did you rank this?

Speaker 3 (02:02:05):
Uh? It's last?

Speaker 1 (02:02:07):
Its shit?

Speaker 2 (02:02:09):
Oh my god, you guys, this is my number three? What?

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
Whoa what?

Speaker 1 (02:02:17):
Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
This is my number three. I okay, I have to
I have to be honest. I might be biased. I
love Ronnie Martin. I think he's a good person.

Speaker 3 (02:02:30):
I think that he.

Speaker 2 (02:02:30):
Has done I think he has done something so unique.
And maybe that's just because I'm really, really tired of
bands that sound the same and Joy Electric. There is
no single band that has sound sounded similar to them,
not only in the Christian world of music, but in
the general world of music, and I think I just

(02:02:52):
am drawn to that. I don't know, Like there's songs
that are dancing like LCD sound System, and there's songs
that are like bleep and bloop indie like Postal Service,
but in general they a joy Electric Ronnie Martin sounds
nothing like anything else, and I appreciate that and love that.
Now to be frank, I have to be in a

(02:03:14):
certain mood to want to listen to him, like to
be to be honest, But when I'm in that mood,
it hits and nothing else can. It is just It's
just what I want, and it's just what it is.
So I'm more familiar with Like my favorite Joe Electric
song is not on this album, but a dude that
I liked Slash, was into then became a boyfriend, and

(02:03:36):
then an ex boyfriend gave me the song We Become
as Murderers from this album on like a mix, and
I fell in love with it pretty much immediately listen
through the album. I think I was way too much
into hardcore at that point in my life that I
just didn't do a deep dive. But later, within the
last like I don't know, a decade or such, I
listened to more Joy Electric and then revisited this album

(02:03:58):
within the last week, and I was like, hell, yeah,
I love this. I just like this a lot. It's unique,
it's interesting. I think it's wonderful.

Speaker 1 (02:04:06):
I respect that. I respect that. I think I think
for me, really, where like the disdain comes from is
I heard give Up by the Postal Service in two
thousand and four. I know it came out two thousand
and three, but I heard it in two thousand and
four day and I was blown away by it. And

(02:04:27):
that kind of like set the tone for me of
like what is acceptable and what is unacceptable when it
comes to electronic music in general, and hearing this it
just felt like a child made And that's where I'm
in such a bad spot for it.

Speaker 4 (02:04:47):
Well, am I like around that time that I was
listening to it. This might have been right before, but
around that time, there was an artist that was huge
on MySpace.

Speaker 3 (02:05:01):
I'm freaking in his name A Play Radio Play.

Speaker 2 (02:05:03):
Oh, I thought you're gonna say Breathe Cal I remember that.
I remember that album.

Speaker 4 (02:05:09):
I heard that, Yeah, and he like he ended up
changing his name, but like it was kind of that
vibe of like very electronic. And I remember even at
that time and he was like he was seventeen years
old when that like.

Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
Play radio way more but Mason, he was way more
poppy than Joe Electric.

Speaker 1 (02:05:27):
But yeah, there was a reason for that.

Speaker 4 (02:05:28):
But there's a reason that I was about to say,
there's a he was so good at like getting the
right kind of like vibe of that in a way
that like Joe Electric cann't do.

Speaker 3 (02:05:39):
So I'm just saying and in my opinion, so.

Speaker 1 (02:05:42):
I question one more, one more quick thing. I think
the reason I really just like Joy Electric is because
the name is rip off of Joy Division and they
don't sound.

Speaker 2 (02:05:53):
Anything alike you know what's crazy. That's part of why
I love it. That's part of why I love it.
I love Joy Division. I I literally I don't know
if you guys knew this, Mason, I don't know if
I share this with you. I am a goth DJ.
I d I for a year and a half. Now
I DJ a goth night at a local club where
I live. I love Joy Division and the fact that

(02:06:17):
this this artist is called Joy Electric, I think is awesome.
It's paying homage and it's like, yeah, like my joy
is in this like electric output, and I don't know,
I like it. I think it's paying homage. I think
it's read.

Speaker 4 (02:06:34):
If it only were they were as good as Joy Division.

Speaker 3 (02:06:38):
All right, so.

Speaker 4 (02:06:41):
All right here we are Joy Electric. Okay, So I
think that would average out to a nine coluen.

Speaker 1 (02:06:47):
A nine point six, which puts it that C that
puts it in D.

Speaker 4 (02:06:54):
Before or after that above above it's better than okay,
at least at least.

Speaker 3 (02:07:04):
Our last two.

Speaker 4 (02:07:06):
The second to last is Spoken's last chance to breathe from.

Speaker 3 (02:07:14):
August of the thirty thirtieth of two thousand and five.
So Spoken's last chance to breathe towards the end of
the year. Who wants to go first?

Speaker 1 (02:07:29):
I can start here. This band. I think it's kind
of slept On. I think that they are miss genre
over and over and over again, so they never were
really able to like find a place for themselves in
the music scene. And I think a lot of bands

(02:07:49):
kind of struggle with this where they can't quite find
their niche in a community that it's willing to like
latch onto them. I think like they were kind of
compared to like Pillar in some regards because they toured
with Pillar some, but they don't sound anything like Pillar,
that's true. They were also paired up with like Red,

(02:08:11):
and they don't sound anything like Red, so they were
kind of they were kind of like in the dad
rock scene, but they aren't dad rock, and I think
that's what threw everyone off on them. But I have
a distinct memory growing up going to Blockbuster and renting
The Lord of the Rings the Two Towers video game,

(02:08:36):
which if you haven't played, is an absolute masterpiece of
video gaming, and throwing on this record and listening to
it over and over and over again. It was this
record and Potter's Field or whatever it is by Twelve Stones,
so another dad rocky kind of band, but Spoken is

(02:09:01):
so underrated. I think that Tooth and Nail was maybe
a bad place for them to be. And that's not
because of like lyrical content, because like lyrically, like they
definitely like fall in line with like the Tooth and
Nail kind of ethos and everything like that. But like,
I don't think Tooth and Nail really knew what to

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do with them because they didn't really know where their
genre was or like where their scene was.

Speaker 4 (02:09:31):
This tells me nothing about how it hit then versus
how it hits now.

Speaker 1 (02:09:35):
Okay, so how how it hates that good good point,
good points getting spicy? Back then? I just like the tunes.
I didn't love them, but I listened to the album
quite a bit, right, So, like I thought the songwriting
was good enough that I was like, this is worth
my time to listen to. Today, looking back on it,
I'm like, wow, there's actually some fantastic songwriting here. Like

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this is a much deeper album than I ever would
have imagined Last Chance to Breathe. I'm just gonna say,
go check it out, listeners, because this is definitely worth
your time. In my opinion, I put it at a seven. Okay, Okay, yeah,

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maybe that's underrated in the rankings.

Speaker 2 (02:10:27):
Even I don't know, but it might even be underrated
for me, Mason, can I go next?

Speaker 1 (02:10:35):
Of course cool?

Speaker 2 (02:10:38):
I had it at a ten. But that is with
a huge caveat, which is that I don't think I
listened to this album in two thousand and five, even
though I liked Spoken a lot. New Medicines Mason. I
don't know if you can look this up real quick,
but New Medicines was the album I believe right before this, and.

Speaker 3 (02:11:00):
That by them or that by them.

Speaker 2 (02:11:04):
That's what it. New Medicine is Dead Poetic. What's the
album right before this Spoken album?

Speaker 3 (02:11:09):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:11:11):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (02:11:11):
Remember getting Dead Poetic and New Medicines and sorry, Spoken
to you should not.

Speaker 4 (02:11:17):
A moment, a moment of imperfect clarity was in two
That was in two thousand and three on Tooth and Nail.
The fact that you misjudged that with New Medicines is
a criminal mistake.

Speaker 2 (02:11:32):
But you know what why they.

Speaker 3 (02:11:36):
Got it still. Oh my god, it's so different, it's
so different.

Speaker 2 (02:11:42):
Oh I'm sorry, Mason, Mason.

Speaker 3 (02:11:48):
No, thank you. No New Medicines.

Speaker 4 (02:11:51):
That is that is Thursday, through and Through Spoken was
doing an entirely different thing.

Speaker 1 (02:11:57):
I don't I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (02:11:59):
I think I am fully with Colin obviously, so spoken
and dead poetic to me, were very similar in my
two thousand and three to two thousand and five era.
I could be totally wrong, but that is just where
my brain was at at the time.

Speaker 1 (02:12:17):
Right there with you.

Speaker 4 (02:12:18):
Yeah, I don't know if we can trust our fifteen
year old brains that much, but.

Speaker 2 (02:12:21):
All right, maybe not, maybe not. I will give it
to you. I did listen to this album in two
thousand and five, but I cannot remember anything that hit
me too much. I listened to it again this week
and I thought to myself, this is a good emo
screamo adjacent album. And my number one complaint is I

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wish there was more screaming stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:12:45):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 4 (02:12:48):
So the version of that is called News Medicines, and
it's an entirely different thing. That's basically a ripoff of Thursday.
So I'm just saying it's an entirely different thing. So, okay,
that's where you're looking for. I'm just it's already out there.

Speaker 1 (02:13:01):
You're so in the minority.

Speaker 3 (02:13:03):
Yeah, it was just the year before.

Speaker 2 (02:13:05):
I'm just saying, like, this is not about album. I
need to listen to it more. It there wasn't enough. Yeah,
there weren't enough songs that grabbed me to be like,
oh my god, I'm so upset that I didn't hear
this more in two thousand and five, like I felt
with Terminal, because I did hear some of the songs
on this album. I liked the Spoken album before it

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in two thousand and three, which you said is when
it came out. I didn't know two thousand and three,
two thousand and four. I liked Spoken, I knew who
they were. I just for some reason did not fall
in love with them the way that I did with Emery,
the way that I did with other bands. I don't
hate them, I don't love them. I think they're fine.

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I gave it a ten.

Speaker 1 (02:13:48):
Oh, good call.

Speaker 3 (02:13:50):
Interesting, Thank you God.

Speaker 4 (02:13:52):
We're really going in on this one for a eat here, so,
uh wow, We're just we're.

Speaker 3 (02:14:00):
Just we're really we're really working on this one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:14:05):
Are you only saying that because they never got back
to us on an email.

Speaker 3 (02:14:08):
No, it's not because of that at all.

Speaker 4 (02:14:12):
I'm so so if it helps you do your math, Colin,
because they know it takes you a second to do
your math, I'm gonna I'm gonna give it an eight.
I'm gonna give it an eight. So yeah, I'm right, yeah,
I'm right right in line with with all of you. Yeah,
Like at the time that it came out, didn't hit

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me super hard, didn't you know.

Speaker 3 (02:14:35):
It wasn't the worst, but it was just kind of there. Uh,
and you know.

Speaker 4 (02:14:39):
It was like, you know, those a couple of songs
or a song or two whatever, it's fine.

Speaker 3 (02:14:45):
Here's what I will say about this album.

Speaker 4 (02:14:47):
So, this album, uh came out with a It came
out with a cover of Time after Time. And I
will say this, I do think it's the better, if
not the best, cover of Time after Time. And I

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say this, I see that, and I say this as
a Iron and Wine fan, and I think this cover
might be better than the Iron and Wine cover of
Time after Time.

Speaker 3 (02:15:23):
So I agree. It's so it's so ridiculously good.

Speaker 4 (02:15:28):
So I will say I feel like the reason why
I'm giving it as high as I am giving it
is because of the Time after Time cover, just solely
on the fact alone that it's such a good cover.

Speaker 2 (02:15:41):
I don't know if that's appropriate, but okay, I don't
know if that's.

Speaker 4 (02:15:49):
A fair all right, it is number eight though, Like
that's not that's pretty low.

Speaker 2 (02:15:54):
Wait wait, wait, okay, So so Mason, you gave it
a what and neat, I gave it a ten colon,
you gave it a seven. What does that make it?

Speaker 1 (02:16:05):
That makes it an eight point three?

Speaker 3 (02:16:07):
Eight point three?

Speaker 2 (02:16:07):
Which is so, where does that put it? Let's see
the Let's see.

Speaker 1 (02:16:11):
The list slightly better than number one gun, so probably
one tier above number one gun, wherever that's at.

Speaker 2 (02:16:19):
Okay, Mason, let's see the list.

Speaker 3 (02:16:21):
Here, slightly above or below.

Speaker 1 (02:16:24):
Slightly above what Actually, yeah, it's actually quite a bit above.
It's that puts.

Speaker 3 (02:16:31):
It in PRIs So what if we put that right there?

Speaker 2 (02:16:35):
I think that's more accurate.

Speaker 1 (02:16:37):
That makes more sense to me. Yeah, yeah, me too,
goes waking and and yeah that works good.

Speaker 3 (02:16:47):
That's not waking.

Speaker 2 (02:16:48):
I'm so sad. I'm so sad about Electric.

Speaker 1 (02:16:53):
Uh Bleach, that's Bleach, thank you, sorry Bleach.

Speaker 3 (02:16:57):
Yeah, okay, all right, man, I think we have just
one last one, the last one, all right, one more.

Speaker 4 (02:17:06):
So the last album, the last original album in twenty
in two thousand and five of Tooth and Nail was
Project eighty six's and the Rest Will Follow, and that
came out in September twenty seventh, two thousand and five.

(02:17:27):
Where do we put this one?

Speaker 1 (02:17:31):
I can start if you guys want, go ahead, I
put this at number five. I like this album quite
a bit. I don't think it's anywhere near their best,
but agreed, I think that this is it's verging on
dad rock, but it's like the thinking dad's rock. It's

(02:17:52):
the cool dad rock, right. There's there's a lot of
like kind of there's a lot of almost like a
call back to grunge. So it's not post grunge, but
it's almost like true and true grunge in my opinion,
And I think I think that's why Project eighty six
maybe did not catch on in like the mainstream necessarily

(02:18:14):
because grunge was like as absolutely uncool as possible at
the time. But I think And the Rest Will Follow
is just a sick record some really really killer songs,
but there's also some filler songs in here as well. Sincerely, Ikabad,
I remember that song like like knocking me off my

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socks right away, Uh, just chuggy and trudging and uh
definitely taking you on a bit of a journey. I
think I think those guys right killer riffs as well.
That whole album has got great, great rifts. Even the
filler songs have great rifts on them, but maybe the
rest of the song doesn't necessarily pull together all the way. Yeah,

(02:19:01):
they just they make they make great tunes. This is
not their best, but it's a pretty darn good effort.
I would say there does need to be, in my opinion,
like a Project eighty six like compilation album, because.

Speaker 2 (02:19:14):
Oh fully agree, Oh my gosh, they are.

Speaker 1 (02:19:17):
They are notorious for having some filler and some killer
on all yepps.

Speaker 2 (02:19:26):
Yep, totally. I will follow Colin. So my partner and
I decided collectively years ago that this is the last
good Project eighty six album. Now, I have been told
that the last couple albums, or the last album at least,
has been.

Speaker 3 (02:19:48):
Read a little behind the times here.

Speaker 2 (02:19:50):
I yes, I admit I haven't listened to them at all,
and I think Mason, honestly, Mason, I think you are
the one who texted me and told me that they
were good, and I haven't listened to them, and that
is fully me and I completely.

Speaker 1 (02:20:01):
It's a multimedia experience even oh okay, good to know
there's a comic book that goes with it, and like
a whole story.

Speaker 2 (02:20:10):
I definitely did not know that. So the single I
think from this album was my Will Be a Dead Man.
You guys can correct me if I'm wrong. I don't
know if it came out on like a Tooth and
Nail DVD, all of the Tooth and Nail compilations DVDs.
Like between my mom, me, my brother, my sister didn't
give a shit she was in the country. Uh, we

(02:20:32):
bought all of the things. We were a tooth and
Nail family. Like my mom wanted us to listen to
Christian music and we just did that, and so we
had a lot of Tooth and Nail DVDs. The first
Project eighty six song I ever heard was one Armed
Band I think it was called and I loved it.
Uh my will be a Dead Man I fell in

(02:20:53):
love with immediately. I listened to this album back in
the day. I loved it. I listened to it within
the last week and I loved it again. And there
are some songs that I think are fine, like Colin said,
and there's some songs that I'm just like, Okay, here's
the thing I want to ask you guys this question.
I honestly feel a little pretentious saying this but I

(02:21:13):
feel like I am pretty good at defining genres with bands.
Project eighty six is one of the few bands I
do not know how to define. Sometimes they're new metal,
sometimes they're dad rock. Sometimes they're like post hardcore almost.
I do not know how to define this band Church.

(02:21:36):
I just I just don't know how to do it.
And I really like this album. I liked it then,
I like it now. I gave it a four.

Speaker 4 (02:21:45):
I feel like grunge is like the worst genre, like
to find the mask, but I.

Speaker 2 (02:21:49):
Wouldn't call them grunge. That's not one that I'd given them.

Speaker 1 (02:21:54):
Grunge gets a kind of a weird rap because everyone
thinks of like Nirvana, yes, Pearl Jam right, yes, that
also includes like Mother love Bone and Toadies and things
like that, which are all over the spectrum.

Speaker 2 (02:22:10):
Right I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:22:12):
There is no like defining part of grunge other than
like generally pretty like dark sad lyrics, which yeah, most
of most of Project eighty six is kind of sad
and dark.

Speaker 3 (02:22:27):
That's her, that's her, yeah, but anger in there as well.
Meg Did you say what number you were at with
that one? Uh?

Speaker 2 (02:22:35):
Yeah, Okay, I have to keep a caveat with my number.
I ranked it number four, But I honestly think that
part of that is a nostalgia. We talked about this
in the beginning of the pod, like some of this
is going to be nostalgia, and upon you know, recent listen,
I listened to it again and it was just like
bringing back memories and I just loved it. And I

(02:22:57):
remembered how I felt when I heard these songs and
how was but and some of the songs are angry
and some of the songs are hopeful, and I feel
both of those things still at my current age. So
I love it, and it's number four for me.

Speaker 1 (02:23:12):
Love it.

Speaker 4 (02:23:13):
So here's my context with this album. The album before
Spy Hunter came out.

Speaker 3 (02:23:20):
Probably, I mean it would be most.

Speaker 4 (02:23:25):
Just one of the best, one of the best well
written songs ever, doesn't matter what genre is.

Speaker 3 (02:23:31):
It's so well written.

Speaker 4 (02:23:34):
So I'm coming off of that with that sort of expectation,
and then I hear this album and I'm like a
little underwhelmed, not that it's bad, it's just I'm underwhelmed.
I feel that given the fact that I'm like, I'm
expecting Spy Hunter kind of level shit. Okay, so I
hear this album back in two thousand and five a

(02:23:56):
little underwhelmed given the fact that, like I'm coming off
of Spy Hunter level expectation and then listening back to this,
I'm like, yeah, it still doesn't hit.

Speaker 3 (02:24:09):
Spy Spy Hunter level expectation. It's it's not like I'm
not saying it's bad. It's not bad.

Speaker 4 (02:24:15):
It's not the worst out of all of these for me,
not even close to that. And it never back then
twenty years ago, didn't hit that level expectation, and it
still doesn't hit that level expectation.

Speaker 3 (02:24:29):
So because of that, because.

Speaker 4 (02:24:30):
It's kind of just been in this like mediocre space
for me for twenty years, I'm given it a seven.

Speaker 3 (02:24:37):
So that's where I'm at.

Speaker 1 (02:24:39):
Okay, Colin, Yeah, I had it at a five. So
let's see where it's at. So it's a.

Speaker 5 (02:24:44):
Five four, sixteen to right is a five point three,
which puts it where at let me see.

Speaker 2 (02:24:57):
Yeah, well it's on you, Mason.

Speaker 1 (02:25:00):
Yeah, this is surprisingly high. This is above.

Speaker 2 (02:25:05):
I mean, it's not surprising to me. I just I
don't know. I think similar to to electric like I
think they're hard to define.

Speaker 1 (02:25:16):
I think this is the highest end of B or
the lowest end of A. But I would I would suggest,
be right there.

Speaker 2 (02:25:24):
Yeah, I agree with huge, right, I agree with yeah,
me too. So I think we should each share our
take about which album we think is in a very
incorrect spot and why, and then.

Speaker 3 (02:25:39):
That's a good point that Yeah, yeah, I like that.

Speaker 2 (02:25:42):
Okay, I mean I know what mine is, but you
guys can go first.

Speaker 4 (02:25:47):
So if if I can go first, I would say
that how the lonely keep it?

Speaker 3 (02:25:55):
For sure at least gets an eight tier.

Speaker 4 (02:25:58):
Now, I know that that's not a huge because it's
it's it's actually it's the lowest B or it's the
lowest tier.

Speaker 3 (02:26:04):
Of the BEE.

Speaker 4 (02:26:05):
But I really do think it deserves to be at
a A tier. I just I just think the world
of that album. So that's when I look at all
these albums, that one feels the most striking for my
own personal.

Speaker 3 (02:26:19):
Taste for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:26:20):
And Mason, that's number.

Speaker 3 (02:26:21):
One, gun right, that's Terminal, Terminal, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:26:25):
Oh, Terminal. I'm sorry, Okay, I think I agree with
you on that one.

Speaker 1 (02:26:28):
Actually, I would push back against that quite a bit.
I also had that a very low album on mine,
but I would put that at like maybe A B plus,
So I'd put that at like the top of the
B tier if if I was to give a little
bit on that, I think pulling it completely out of
the bottom end of the B tier to the bottom
end of the A tier is academic dishonesty entirely.

Speaker 3 (02:26:54):
I appreciate.

Speaker 1 (02:26:56):
Okay, I do see why you guys want to do that,
And you know what, how about you put it at
the top of BP.

Speaker 2 (02:27:06):
I think I agree. As much as I love Project
eighty six and how nostalgic they are for me, I
think Terminal is more as more longevity, I would agree.

Speaker 4 (02:27:19):
You know, I was gonna say this about Terminal. You know,
Project eighty six has like what like nine or ten
albums at this point. Mm hmm, yeah, Terminal had one.
They had one four album and.

Speaker 2 (02:27:31):
That's crazy and it was so.

Speaker 4 (02:27:33):
Good too, And I do think that shapes the way
I think about this a little bit, Like, yeah, yeah,
obviously I love this album, right, I love this album.
If they would have released something, let's say it was
even better, I this album itself. If they released something better,
even if it wasn't, this album probably would just like

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get calipulted a little higher for me.

Speaker 3 (02:27:55):
That's what I'm just saying.

Speaker 4 (02:27:56):
Like Terminal really for me was like kind of a
next level where that he really could have been something else.

Speaker 3 (02:28:02):
And Colin and I have talked about this before, but
it is They're a.

Speaker 4 (02:28:07):
Band that just really could have been something more, but
just for whatever reason, didn't for a variety of different reasons,
and here they are stuck at the top of the betier.

Speaker 1 (02:28:17):
I do think that if they had more time to
develop and and to keep exploring that same kind of sound,
that they would have landed on something. Yea, I will
definitely concede that. Here here's my here's my pick. I
think that I think that Bleach being in D is

(02:28:39):
kind of a it's kind of a rough spot for
it to be. I don't think it belongs in the
same tier as.

Speaker 2 (02:28:46):
Disagree, disagree. I think they belong in TID. I think, Okay,
if we if we were reviewing a different Bleach album,
hell no, but this album is not as good as
any of the other albums they have ever put out
in their discography.

Speaker 1 (02:29:06):
I can respect that, Mason.

Speaker 3 (02:29:09):
I think Meg is one hundred percent on this one. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:29:13):
Uh, if we're talking about a different Bleach album, C B,
maybe potentially even A, but this one in.

Speaker 3 (02:29:21):
Particular, for sure top a D tier.

Speaker 4 (02:29:24):
I would like at the at the highest, the bolt.

Speaker 3 (02:29:28):
At the bottom of sea tier at the highest.

Speaker 1 (02:29:31):
Yeah, that's that's what I was thinking. It's a it's
a small quibble, but nothing, nothing more. Uh Ma or Meg,
did you have one that you think is in a
completely wrong spot?

Speaker 2 (02:29:43):
Of course I do say.

Speaker 1 (02:29:45):
If you say Joe Electric, I'm gonna say, that's in
the podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:29:48):
Now, you know that's what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 1 (02:29:53):
So you we should have the podcast now that it
sounds like.

Speaker 2 (02:29:56):
Yeah, I this is about a mutual agreement and a
like accumulative assessment. So I concede to your perspectives.

Speaker 6 (02:30:10):
But I do not, in any world believe that Joe
Electric belongs in the DT like no way, like C
at a minimum, but B is where I would I
would put it.

Speaker 2 (02:30:23):
I mean, for me personally, I put it at the
end of the A. But C is where I would
put it.

Speaker 1 (02:30:29):
Okay, Well, I'm gonna put this out to the listeners,
and I'm gonna say, listeners.

Speaker 3 (02:30:33):
What if we did this, does that make a little
bit better?

Speaker 1 (02:30:37):
Makes it worse?

Speaker 2 (02:30:39):
That's much better? Guys, Bleach okay that he can, you can.
I just give a little bit of like a pushback,
like almost like a lawyer ish like defense real quick. Sure, Okay,
Bleach is a good band. Album is taking the worst

(02:31:03):
of copycatting from Weezer and like old nineties alt rock
and this and that and whatever, and then like shoving
it into a we'd done album right joy electric, hate
it or love it is not doing anything that is
other bands or artists are doing, so I think it

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at least deserves to be above Bleach. That's all I'm saying.
Keep it in the detail. I don't care, but it
should be a bluff right now. That's that's my argument.
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:31:38):
Remember, Mason, you also gave that a thirteen, which is
the worst.

Speaker 3 (02:31:42):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (02:31:44):
It makes me so sadly, Mason. I love you. I
think your music opinions are so good. And this is
the one area that I'm like, God, you're ding dong.

Speaker 3 (02:31:56):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (02:31:57):
I'm just like I think, whenever I listen to his albums,
pretty much all of them, I'm like, what Nintendo.

Speaker 3 (02:32:04):
Game is this? What Mario Brothers am I playing right now?

Speaker 4 (02:32:10):
I thought I was playing Mario Brothers four just thought.
I just went wow, I didn't realize that they released
this on.

Speaker 1 (02:32:18):
It's so often, so I just.

Speaker 2 (02:32:22):
Had and I love it. I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:32:25):
Listeners, Listeners, please tell us in the comments you.

Speaker 3 (02:32:29):
Know what's funny?

Speaker 4 (02:32:31):
Memory released the question in eight bit, and I thought,
this is Smory's question in eight is better than Joy
Electric's original albums.

Speaker 1 (02:32:43):
Without question?

Speaker 2 (02:32:45):
I just crazy, that's my that's my take. The craziest
thing to me is I think did Mason Mason and
I had the same number one? Right right?

Speaker 1 (02:32:56):
Yeah, yeah, the question.

Speaker 2 (02:32:59):
And yet my number three was his number thirteen. That
is so funny to me.

Speaker 1 (02:33:09):
I do think it's interesting that are our main consensus
like blows every other album out of the Yeah, was
the question.

Speaker 4 (02:33:19):
That that to me, like, that's been pretty impressive. Obviously,
there's a couple other albums that we were like, we're
pretty close in terms of the numbers, but the question
was clearly like far and above, that was the album
that we were all like consensus, like I think there
was one of us, A couple of us had a

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number one. I think there was one of us that
was number two. So it was like, yeah, it was
clear like that the question was gonna be the top.

Speaker 2 (02:33:46):
Yeah, yep, so true.

Speaker 3 (02:33:51):
Incredible album.

Speaker 4 (02:33:53):
I'm a huge fan of this year of tooth and Ails,
which is again, like we talked about this at the
beginning of the episode, what's.

Speaker 3 (02:34:00):
Funny is as much as I think this.

Speaker 4 (02:34:03):
Is actually a pretty great year of tooth and Nail,
if you're a Solid State listener, you're probably like, what
the hell, Like, where's our where's our year for two
thousand and five, And again I would love to do
that at some point. Hopefully we can do that here
before the end of the year, but that year is
incredible too, and so anyway, arguably like twos in five,

(02:34:26):
just in terms of tooth and Nail, if you can
include tooth and Nail and Solid State, incredible year.

Speaker 2 (02:34:31):
Of music, so good, so good.

Speaker 4 (02:34:34):
We're big fans obviously, Meg, you're a big fan, and
so thank you so much, Meg for being a part
of this. Yeah, I'm just like a huge fan of
two thousand and five Tooth and Nail music and.

Speaker 3 (02:34:47):
Obviously Solid Stay music as well. So thank you so
much for being part of this.

Speaker 2 (02:34:52):
Oh yeah, thank you so much for having me. This
was so much fun. Oh my gosh. I appreciate it
so much.

Speaker 1 (02:35:01):
Usco muscles, muo uside uncle,

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