September 29, 2025 • 52 mins
"Beginner's Love," chapter 10 (sorry, we yapped too much before getting to chapter 11). Join Jody and Molly as they analyze this juicy Norma Klein 1983 novel, in which Joel and Leda enjoy their boneymoon with a side of laundry. We listen to vintage ads and chat '80s Happy Meal toys, post-boning movies, and diaphragms. It's a (sometimes) Judy Blume book club. Join us every other week!
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hi. I'm Jody and I'm Mollie, and you're listening to
the Bloom Saloon.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's a Judy Bloom book club.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Are we ready for some normal Kline beginners love chapters
ten and eleven today?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I am. But first, you know what I got to
hit you with. I gotta hit you with the Judy Minuti,
which is where we take one minute or less or
more to talk about the most Judy Bloom thing that
happened to us this week. So, Jody, what is the
most Judy Bloom thing that happened to you this week?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Okay? So I recently moved and I have a ton
of boxes that I still haven't unpacked, and I'm slowly
unpacking stuff and reminiscing and having fun looking at old
things I haven't looked at in years. And I recently
unpacked all my McDonald's Happy Meal toys from the late
eighties early nineties.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's a fine, That is a fine.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I knew at a young age that I would appreciate
these as an adult, so I hung on to them
forever and ever and ever. And my mom has had
them in her attic and she's like, get rid of
they even worse, she wants to give them to her
boyfriend's grandkids, and I'm like, no, So I.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Took them back. Oh good, I'm so glad.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And I recently put them on a little trinket shelf.
And I've hung that trinket shelf. It's the only piece
of art we have put on the walls so far.
All the other art is in a pile. But these
McDonald's Happy Mual toys. It makes me so happy every
time I walk by.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Gosh, what kind of toys are we rocking?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Okay, so you know people of a certain age will
remember the Little Mermaid series that came out. Yes, so
I've got a Prince Eric kneeling. I don't have Ariel.
I don't know what happened to her. I've got a flounder.
I also have a bunch of the really old school
(02:12):
like it's before McDonald's was like partnering with like franchises
and they just got out their own McDonald's toys, like
the fry guy and the little Birdie in a McDonald's
car and Hamburgler.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, imagine giving these to a child. They wouldn't appreciate them. No,
do you have any of the McNuggets? Those are the
ones that I want.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
No, I don't have the mc nuggets. I do have
these funny little I don't know what they're supposed to be,
and I'm pretty sure they're off they're from McDonald's, because
you know, I do have some like Burger King and
Wendy's ones in there. But they are these little round
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and maybe they're supposed to be McNuggets, but they're not
crinkly like a McNugget. They're too perfectly round, but like
one is wearing a fire hat. I'll send pictures and
I would had to weigh in the McNugget. Maybe do
you have any old McDonald's toys?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yes, of course, well my grandma. So unfortunately this is
an argument in the column for you should let kids
play them with them, because my dad's mom used to
have a treasure chest full of Happy Meal toys and
so that was all we played with. Like our dollhouses
were inhabited by Happy Meal toys, not like the formal
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dolls that went with the dollhouse. So yeah, we had
a ton. I can't I recently bought some because I
loved the little Barbie ones with the real hair, so
I have one of those that I can see from
my desk. I really want the McNugget ones. I keep
hoping that I'll come across those in like a thrift
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store or something. But I really want those ones because
I never had those. But we had all like the
Disney ones. But as a result our my like Little
Dollhouse was like, oh yeah, Han Solo lives in this room,
and then all of the McDonald's toys live down here
and they all make out. So that was like my
I remember speaking of the Little Mermaid ones, I remember
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I had a ton because she's my favorite. But one
of the ones I had was her sitting on a rock,
and I remember that in the lore of the Dollhouse.
I was like, actually she's in a wheelchair. That's why
she's sitting down. Oh this rock, it's actually a wheelchair. Well,
(04:47):
I have to say that Dollhouse not Ada compliant because
there was stairs, but you know, nobody uses the stairs
in the Dollhouse. No, you just fly exactly. I know.
My dad is so funny. He watches like girls media lately,
I don't know why, and he's he's always like, have
you seen the Barbie movies? Like mols, I saw the
(05:07):
Barbie movie I'm a Woman. But he's like, I didn't
understand that part about the Barbie's like flying from from
the top floor to the bottom floor. Like, yeah, because
that's because you never played with barbie's how you work them.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
But it does make me wonder, like didn't boys make
their G I Joe's fly?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I mean maybe they didn't have house structures for them
to live in. Yeah, they sell it. Oh that's so
sad that it's not a G I. Joe house.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Oh where did they live.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
On the base vehicle?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I guess?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh wait, that's an excellent I'm gonna see my brother
today and I'm gonna ask was there a G I.
Joe house? Because I remember there was like a bat
Man house.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Maybe even Skeletor had his castle.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, but here, now here's my follow up question. Were
there like beds in the skeleton? I don't think so.
I think they were just like armaments. Oh well, now
I'm glad that Han Solo got to live in the
doll house. He probably never had anything comfortable.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You gave him a good life.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Now, listen, I really did. I found my Han Solo
and Princess Leia action figures the other day. The paint
is rubbed off their face because they were macking so hard.
Oh my, that's honestly an upgrade if you're an action
figure owned by a little girl, like yeah, you're like
the sweet oh man, Well.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well what about you, Molly? Yours?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Mine was. I started a new job and there's a
bunch of people that started at the same time as me,
and I experienced some of the most like big sister
rage I've ever experienced on the clock, and it was
like frightening. So as I re know, I'm a big sister,
(06:57):
and I am a very like Rachel Rockson big sister.
Like no part of me was like, oh yes, I've
nurtured my brother. I raised him. It's all like, no,
I yelled at him because he was doing things wrong,
and he consistently does things wrong. So that's the kind
of big sister I am is, to say, a mean one.
And there was this woman who started at the same
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time as me. She's an art director and she is
at least ten years younger than me, and God bless her.
She's so friendly and so nice and so creative, but
she just does things differently. I think she should do
things and if she's not doing anything wrong at all.
(07:40):
It just really flies in the face of like my
sensibility of how things are supposed to be done. And
I was finding it that it was really bugging me,
and I didn't say anything about it. I didn't do
anything about it, but I would just be in meetings
like feeling like, oh my god, where would you say
the stupid to do it? And just like I had
(08:05):
to like zoom out of myself and be like, what
is wrong with you? That's crazy way to feel. You
don't know this person, And it was such like the
only time I've ever felt that feeling has been like
with my prefor and so I really had to do
like a lot of like therapy on myself and like
(08:26):
journling and zooming out and being like, you need to
relax because this is none of your business. This is
someone who's just doing their job. They're doing things different.
But like I think sometimes I am shackled by thinking
there's a right way to do stuff and there's not.
So yeah. But then then there was a time where
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she was doing something that was like really weird, and
I think other people colocked it as weird, and nobody
wanted to say anything about it. And I was just like,
I don't know what to do, and she like had
a meeting with me later and she goes, can you
be real? Was I doing something weird? And as soon
as she asked that, like my shoulders went down and
(09:11):
I was like, okay, technically no, like you are working
really hard, you have great ideas, like all the stuff
that is true, and I said, but if you're asking,
I do think it typically works this way, and she
was like, oh, thank you. I just didn't know. So
(09:33):
after all of that soul searching and feeling bad and
feeling like weird, it dissipated instantly when she was like,
do you have an opinion on how to do this?
And like do I? It's right? Yeah, it was like weird.
I share it because I'm a little ashamed to have
felt that way, but also maybe someone else has felt
that way.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
One hundred percent understand. I completely get it, and I
love that you were able to release yourself of this
pent up energy let's say energy, right, because it's energy
that you want to put towards doing something right, and
it's not necessarily about her, it's about probably the oh yeah,
(10:14):
the rightness of it all. And yeah, and when you
were able to say your piece, yeah, and release yourself
of that energy and she just take it or leave it.
But hopefully she takes it.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I think she will, and I think and I need
to remember it too. Is like when I was that age,
I honestly was probably the same way, just from like
not knowing how to do things in feeling desperate to
make my mark on places, and just like I've been there,
and I think that's too. I mean, not to get
(10:50):
to therapy, but I think a lot of times the
things that make us mad are feelings we're so familiar
with because we've done them. And this is one hundred percent.
This is one hundred percent like it's or if it's
fifty percent sister stuff, and then fifty percent me knowing
that I've been there, that's the whole deal. So yeah,
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this is a crazy thing.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, of course the gossip in me wants to know
exactly what she did. But we can talk about that offline.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well, I'll tell you now and we can we can
cut it, okay anyway, So yeah, don't put that in.
(11:43):
That's like such inside baseball.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
But I know I'm got I love office goss. So
if anyone wants to share theirs, you know, keep it anonymous, vague.
But I was just telling Molly offline. As a freelancer,
I don't get the office gossip feed me yours. I
need it for my soul. I need it to feel
connected to this world. Tell me all about it.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yay.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Did we get any good judy minudies?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh? Actually, look, we got some dms because I said
dm us because we're gonna record soon. Let's see what's
in the old feedbag. Okay, So Sierra Lima fourteen says,
please give me a shout out. I'm almost caught up
on the book. Okay, see are Lima fourteen? Hey, Hey,
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shout out to you you the realist. Jeb Wilson, Jeb
Wilson frequent commenter, Hi, Jeb, shout out to you, Hey, Jeb. Hey,
And Jeb says, good luck with the record. I'm scared
to find out what happens next. And will Norman name
drop eight more parents friends? Hot question mark. I think
(12:56):
you're not in luck, Jeb, but we do get some
in interesting parental lored drops this EPP, so you're gonna
be really excited. Honestly, these were two banger chapters. I
thought this were really good chapters.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And then Tracy Ann, whose Instagram handle is blue Eyed Italian,
who wants a shout out, So shout out to you,
Tracy Ann. And Tracy Ann says love and other indoor sports,
which is just a classique.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Right back at youa.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Right back atcha and then shout out to everybody who
sent in their Judy minunis this week. I'll just read
a couple of them. Someone said yes, Mitch again said
they were wearing barett to the bar. I think that's
such a cool move, as somebody who's worn butterfly clips
to every corporate job they've ever had. I say, I
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stand with you, as my sister roxy Pants, also frequent commentator,
said they got their hair done. Cute kill h Rebecca Kate, mate,
this is so funny. This is like such a classic
bloom saloon. They said. I wore my purple velvet to
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two hospital pointments at two different hospitals, and plenty. Every
time I do a Judy Minudi, I become more and
more worried for the general health of bloom Bends because
there's always somebody that's like, oh no, I had guess
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every single week.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
And.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I hope, Rebecca Kate, I hope you're okay, but don't
forget to follow us at the Bloom Saloon podcast on Instagram.
We're fairly active there. Also, no one had anything to
say about the baby feet that you saw at the
s of moment, so those might be an hallucination.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I think that is the proof we were looking for. Wow.
And also, well, the Ruth of Sawa exhibit literally closed
like days after I went, so we will never ever ever, No.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
That's wild. Well I believe you.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Thank you. I just pulled up our email and we
have two new messages that came through. Maybe I'll just
read one of them. Sure, Hi, Jody and Molly. Last
episode you ask parents about reading their kids' journals. So
(15:34):
here's my story. It's a tough read. Trigger warning for suicide, ideation,
emotional abuse, intimate partner violence, and sexual assault. But oh
so sorry, I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Well, you know what, Contractually all of the normal Plin
episodes have to start with a story like this. Totally okay,
here we go braced.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
But it is ultimately hopeful. I want to share it
because while I know a lot of people have strong
feelings about this issue, I know I did it's not
really as black and white as some might think. Several
years ago, when she was fifteen, my daughter was having
a really difficult time and we couldn't figure out why.
She was clearly depressed, stopped hanging out with friends and
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often came to us crying, wanting comfort, but unable to
express what was happening. We were worried, her therapist was worried,
and she just kept getting more miserable. Nothing any of
us did to help work. She was dating someone who
seemed nice, but when I asked her if the relationship
was the cause of the upset, she denied it in
a way that made my spidey sense tingle.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Finally I decided to read her journal. Under any other circumstances,
I'd never even consider doing that, and it felt awful.
But if I hadn't, I wouldn't have found out that
her boyfriend was coercively controlling her, isolating her from friends,
and subjecting her to emotional, physical, and sexual abuse. He
threatened suicide if my daughter broke up with him or
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told anyone anything.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
After months of this, my daughter couldn't see any way
out except through suicide herself, and had begun making specific plans.
Oh my God. Of course, her dad and I snapped
into action to get our daughter safe. The ensuing months
were absolute shit show, with my daughter furious with me
and the boyfriend's parents for not taking it remotely seriously.
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Lots of digs at me about the journal thing, though,
until my daughter's therapist got law enforcement involved. Ultimately everybody
was okay. The boyfriend moved schools and reportedly got help,
and my daughter has done amazing work to heal. We
both look back on the diary reading like I shouldn't
have done it, but thank god I did. She says
that my invading her privacy like that very likely saved
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her life, but she's also still kind of pissed about it.
So should a parent read a kid's journal if the
purpose is just a snoop or catchmus behavior. I think
that's an o us know, but I do think there
are circumstances where it is warranted, even if you truly
believe that privately should be sacricynct. Sorry to be a bummer.
Not a bummer, I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I mean, I'm glad everybody's okay, yes, but you're right,
that's such an extenuating circumstance.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I'm so glad you did that for real, and thank
you for sharing that because maybe this makes other parents
feel better about I mean, the thing with teenagers is
they're so secretive, and if there is one source to
get past those secrets, it totally makes sense that you
will go for it.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Well, and especially now. I mean not to be even
more of a bummer, but just like I feel like
there's been a recent spate of kids using like chat
GPT as therapy and chatchept telling them really untrustworthy things,
and so it almost feels like now more than ever,
you should be snoop in a little bit. But man,
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I'm so glad your daughter's okay. She's really lucky to
have a mom like you. Yeah, really really, really, really
really lucky. I was thinking about this reprivacy after we talked,
because my mom would sit behind would like do periodic
like checks of my Facebook because we were like the
first generation of like middle schoolers to be on Facebook
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and whatever. And I hated that she did that. I
hated that she did that so much, but she caught
a lot of shit that was bad. To be safe,
I think, I put they had one that was like
a survey and it was like, you know those cute
little surveys you'd fill out, like what's your zodiac sign,
what's your favorite snack or whatever, And one of the
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questions was like, what's what's your biggest fear? And my
dumb ass was like, uh, getting kidnapped. It's like, honey,
don't tell the Internet that your biggest fear is getting kidnapped,
because then they're gonna kidnap you.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And then it's like, what's your address.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, So those were things I resented at the time,
but especially hearing about stories like that, it's like, yeah, honestly,
when your Spidey sense is tingling, that's a good reason
to look.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I guess Slit's pivot into chapters ten eleven.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I will say, honestly a great transition because a lot
of the parents in this book are just chronically unnosy. Yeah. Yeah, sure,
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Speaker 1 (20:56):
So many Thank you, Lea.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
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Speaker 1 (21:08):
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Speaker 2 (21:12):
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Taste like money. You got it and diet.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
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Speaker 3 (22:37):
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Speaker 1 (22:45):
I'm going to be an actress.
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Speaker 2 (22:50):
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Speaker 2 (23:02):
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do your laundry, But.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
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dry bleach.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You need Clorox to all fabric bleach? Is it better?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Nothing's better for getting colors?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
They're cleanest. Yeah, but check out this gravy steak.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Clorox too strong enough to get out back to stains.
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Speaker 3 (23:24):
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Speaker 3 (23:28):
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Speaker 2 (23:33):
I need something to wear.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
That's gonna be haunting, too.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Okay, all right, I got roll call today. Let's start
with Joel. I think he continues to be our least
favorite Bloom Saloon protagonist ever ever. Yeah, totally, I mean
I dislike him more than who else didn't I like
like Jill Brenner. He's worse than Jill Brenner. He's worse
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than Alice from Go Ask Alice. At least Adrian Mole
had his like humor and redeeming qualities like Joel has nothing.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Joel has nothing.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Leeda continues to be maybe our favorite love interests.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yes, completely one of them.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Danny is Leda's bookish best friend. She's got big boobs.
We don't really we don't know what's going on with her.
I think there's like this constant like, ooh, maybe Burger
will call her up, but I don't think he has.
Speaking of Burger, he's Joel's bestie. He is full of personality.
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I have mixed feelings about him. He loves cigarettes, he's
got his hamster, he's got his lady doctor. I think
he's fun.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I think he's fun too. I think if I met
Burger in real life, I'd be very endeared to him.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
M Yes, we have the lady doctor, the hot doc.
She's a mystery woman. She's a Doobie Houser type. She
is a maybe twenty five year old doctor who saved
Burger after he fell over a beer bottle at Simon
and Garfuncle. We have his little sister, Hope. She's eleven.
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We love her, but we want her to stay far,
far away from Joel. Yes, Joel's mom and dad. Mom
seems cool, but I don't know what do we know
about her. She seems like a fine mom, nice mom.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
She's a Gallerina. Gallerina she was married before.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, speaking of Gerald Finn, Gerald Hartley Finn. I believe
that's mom's older ex husband from way back in the day.
He left her a bunch of art books. We got Dad,
who is a bit of a dick, but he thinks
he's not a dick. He thinks he's like Yeah, his
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views on women in general are very weird.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Every now and then he says one good thing, but
it's it's not enough to redeem him.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yes, very of his time though. Yes, we've got Knox.
This is Joel's big brother who lives in la and
he's newly engaged to this lady called Angelica Spivak, who
is hot but not too hot and sounds like they're
going to be coming to visit soon. Ramone this is
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Leita's ex lover who famously could not get the p
in the v Obra or abra friend of Mom and
Dad's who she was one of the hot question mark
ones or was she a hot period one?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Well, I think she is hot exclamation point.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
May or may not have gotten funky with Dad out
on the balcony while showing him her tomato plants.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Clink wink.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
We've got Billy Parker, son of Louise Parker, who is
a friend of the fam. Billy likes to hang out
in laundromats.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, and that's what we got, all right, Okay, Well,
now we can dive into chapter ten, and as you'll remember,
what happened in chapter nine is while Joel's parents are gone,
Joel and Lida are going to the bone Zone at
his house with the whole weekend they're really playing house.
And I thought it was very sweet because the chapter
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opens with Joel saying this weekend was definitely the best
weekend of my entire life. Maybe it'll be the best
weekend I'll ever have. Really cute, and he says stuff
that feels to me like very typical of like, oh,
you you had sex with somebody you like for the
first time. It kind of like because he's talking about
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how they're going to the bone Zone all weekend long,
and he goes, I wonder what people do when they're
just married and they have jobs and have to concentrate
on other things besides sex. I remember having a thought
like that. You get you figure it out, and then
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he pitches. He says, the best thing would be if
you were really rich and could just go around the
world for a year and then come back to do
regular things.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Like I agree, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Not wrong, not wrong, And I think about that sometimes
if people get married and don't have their honeymoon right away,
as like you know, most people, that's not their first
time having sex, but it does seem like, wow, it
would be hard to like go back to regular life
so soon after like this big celebration, to be like, Okay,
guess I'm going to work on Monday.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, that's kind of what we did. It was so weird. Yeah,
we were living in San Francisco but went to Houston
to get married because our families are in Houston, so
kind of had a bunch of San Francisco people come out,
a lot of Houston people, people you know, just from
all over, and we had a big party, super fun,
and then I think the next day or the day after,
(29:28):
Tyler had to go back to work, so he left.
He went back to San Francisco like a couple of
days before I did, and then I came back and
then we had it. I don't know. Planning the wedding
was way too stressful, so I couldn't even fathom also
planning a honeymoon.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
That's so true, that's so real.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
We were just like, oh, we'll go, We'll like maybe
go on our honeymoon, you know, on our one year
anniversary or something. The truth is, we never went on
a honeymoon, and we have been married for ten years now,
eleven years now.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
In a way, are you actually married? Because I don't you, like,
I don't think it legally sets it until you've gone
your honeymoon, so I think you've maybe been living in sin.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
We're exactly okay, well, you know we're still waiting to consummate.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
So oh that's good, okay good. I was gonna say, oh,
thank goodness. Joe and Lena did not wait, they're doing it.
And then eventually Joel is like, oh no, I forgot
to ask about birth control? Doel wild wild?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Well?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I also, I guess I think it's crazy that they
didn't use a condom. I know, so that's bad on
Joel's part.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
But okay, I was thinking, okay, so you know I
was thinking AIDS, right, uh eight three? Yeah, I don't though.
I don't think that people were really thinking straight people
were getting AIDS until later.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Right, And I think the likelihood that to like virgin
I mean high school heterosexual students, I think the likelihood
that they would get AIDS is very low.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, either way, pregnancy was the only concern really, but it.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Is interesting that that was not a thought that crossed
his mind at all. So yeah, but don't worry. LTA
is using a diaphragm.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I mean, yeah, what happened to diaphragms?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, I sure haven't heard about them in a long time.
I think they must not be in fashion. I've never
encountered one. The closest I have ever gotten to And
if this is any indication, I could not use a time.
I use like a period blocker one time, and that
was so hard to get into correct physician, and where
(32:01):
that I cannot imagine using a diaphragm.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
So wait, a blocker or like a cup like a
Diva cup.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
No, it was like a disc, and I think it
was meant to be. I don't know if it was
like a Diva cup replacement or whatever, but I bought
it to have sex with someone on my period and
it was effective for that. But it was so hard
to put in there that I cannot imagine using a diaphragm.
(32:32):
Though apparently diaphragms are like measured to the specific person,
so I don't know. It sounds like a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah you did. You had to go get fitted.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
That's crazy. Yeah, I don't think people are doing that anymore. No, well, hey, Blimpson,
let's put out the APB. Anybody's still wearing a diaphragm.
I'd be so curious to know.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Do a special report, same one from nineteen eighty seven
over the.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Oh Brother. Okay, so she has don't worry, she has
a diaphragm, and then Joel is like, wait, how come
you have a diaphragm? Like, shut the fuck up. This
will be a pattern through these chapters of Lida being like, no,
I've been proactive and I'm making sure our sex life
is good, and Joel being like, huh, you're being proactive
(33:23):
and making sure our sex life is good. Okay, what
like so shitty? But he does that now where he's like,
I don't understand, why why do you have one of those?
And Lida explains like, oh, well, when my dad knew
I was in a relationship with Ramon, he got he
helped me get one, which is very good. That's like
(33:45):
what a parent should do.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, that's nice. I wonder why her dad not her mom,
but yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I wonder if like her mom didn't know because she
wasn't in that same play that Ramone was in, so
it was the dad who directing it And I don't
really know, but either way, that's very progressive of that dad.
And this is a wild lord drop ya does not
make any sense, so I'm to read this part so
(34:18):
so Joel kind of asks like, does does this mean
your dad know we're doing it? And Lida says this probably,
oh not about this weekend. Don't look so worried, Joel.
It's okay. Daddy's really broad minded. I don't know if
this is why. But he tells this story about how
in the war he was captured and they were going
to like shoot him, only some board let him go.
(34:42):
He never knew why, and he says, since then he
feels like he's been given a second life, and all
the things people make a fuss about and don't don't
seem at all important, Like, whoa, that's nuts. So, in conclusion,
my dad bought me a diaphragm.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Okay, Daddy's war story. Oh fuck yeah, it's like he
watched a war movie and he's just kind of lifting
some of the plot line I know.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, okay, that.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Was French Girls.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, ye had a time, Okay, And so then they
keep having their little couple's weekend. They go to see Et.
Do you love ET?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I love ET?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
That's so nice?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Do you not love Et? You know?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I have been afraid of ET since I could form thoughts. Yeah,
I like it one bit. My grandma used to have
an Et doll because my cousin grew up in the
eighties and was obsessed with ET. So she had a
doll that lived in like the playroom at my grandma's house.
And I would make them hide it and like lock
(35:50):
it away when I was there, because I'm like, I
hate whatever this little freak is. But I could tell
that was an unpopular opinion to have, so I kept
trying to get myself to like ET. Every time I
would go over to my grandma's house and be like, hey,
this time we're watching ET, and she's like, no, we shouldn't.
You don't like this movie, Like, nah, I do, let's go.
(36:13):
Every time we would get like twenty minutes into it
and I'd be like, I'm out. I can't. Ain't no way.
So I've seen it, and I understand why people are
affectionate about it, but I want that little freak as
far away from me as I could possibly get. I
fucking hate eight.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
It is surprising, oh uncute they made Oh my god.
You know, I'm very impressed they just went for it
because he's definitely scary. I think I don't know. I
was like three when it came out. I am sure
I was terrified as a kid, but I have grown
to love Eta. Oh that's great, and maybe you can too. No,
(36:56):
I think it's too late for me.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I think certain things have asked me why because I
was so afraid of them. I can never go back.
I was so afraid of ET. I will never have
affection for ET. I was so afraid of the billboards
for the movie Mars Attack. I will never watch the
movie Mars Attack ever ever.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Oh that's so funny. I don't remember the billboards, but.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
They had the alien and the aliens are very scary looking. No,
so some things are just not for me, and that's
one of them. Yeah. So yeah so they Now, would
you recommend et as a post boning movie? No, beggars
can't be choosers. What's the Do you remember the weirdest
(37:41):
post boning movie you ever watched? Oh? Actually no, because
for me it's Despicable Me. Oh uh, it was like
my college boyfriend that wasn't my really my boyfriend my
college situationship came into town when weekend and we had
we were like going to the bone Zone crazy and
(38:03):
then in between rounds we went to go see Despicable Crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
So yeah, so whenever you see minions, are you just
whenever I see a minion, I get a Uti.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yes, it's hard driving the freeway here, there's one right
off the freeway anyhow, So they have this weird system
where only one of them can go down the elevator
at a time, so nobody sees them together, which is
so funny. It's such like high school paranoia. Yeah, like
(38:34):
nobody's paying that close attention to yours. And then it
made me sad because when Joel gets out of the elevator,
he doesn't see her and she jumps out and scares him,
and he goes, I was scared you might have gone home, like, oh, baby, honey.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
He's constantly in fear of her leaving him, which explains
you know, his like, well, you have a diaphragm like
I didn't. His self esteem is pretty low.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
But yeah, and he's constantly worried about her because in
these next in these next paragraphs, he's like, why me,
Leda could have had anyone she wanted, famous actors, anyone.
It's like, you have really though self esteem, which, yeah,
you suck. Like maybe that's appropriate to who you are
as a person. I can't tell which came first. Are
(39:22):
you that way because you're a shitty person or you
a shitty person because of that? Either way? Interesting. So yeah,
and they just like spend the rest of the weekend
doing it, and at one point they're they're having sex
and Leda goes down on him and he likes it,
(39:45):
but then as soon as it's done, he starts to
be like, wait, why does she do something that's good
for our sex life.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
We know.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
He doesn't he likes, but also is wary that she
he swallowed. Yeah, so that really messes. That really messes
with his head, and he's aware that it's hypocritical, but
it's he really doesn't like it. She's talking about how
like Ramone kind of taught her to do that. He's like, I,
(40:20):
he expresses the thing like, I wish you hadn't done
it with anybody but me, But Leita goes, but then
I wouldn't know how Yeah, yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
In Joel's perfect world, they would just be bumbling through
things together and it wouldn't be that good, but at
least she'd be pure.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
No. I think in Joel's perfect world and in a
lot of people's fantasy, it's this trope of like I
think it's called like the sexy baby trope. It's like
somebody who's never had sex before who is magically the
best at This comes up a lot in literature and
(41:03):
in movies. It's like, oh, it's we've only been with
each other, but magically I'm really really good at it
the first time.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Exact, Oh that's what it's called. The trope is called
born Sexy Yesterday. Really yeah, it's it's it gets used
in a lot of media and it's called born Sexy Yesterday.
So yeah, he wants that and it'll it's not happening.
And so they talk about how uh Ramone looks like
Eric Extrata from Chips, and he goes he has a
(41:35):
whole conneption about it.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Oh god, the things. He says. I don't know if
we want to repeat it.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
But yeah, it's weird. He's like, I hate Spanish guys.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
This book has got Raco.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah. So Lita is explaining that she doesn't let she
didn't she's in love with Joel. She's not in love
with Ramon. She's like Ramone with shat. He doesn't read.
He's so full of himself. And Joel's next thought is
he probably had a cock nine feet long, like h relax.
So he does end this section with talking about Knox,
(42:13):
and he gives some insight into Knox that makes me
like knocks better. Leita is like, you should be glad
that I've had this experience because now our sex life
is so good. Why does any of that past matter?
Speaker 3 (42:26):
This?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Then this is now? And Joel says, I know what
that's a good philosophy. And I'm not someone who wants
to marry a virgin. Knox said, guys like that are Neanderthals.
He said he wants someone who likes sex enough to
have done it a lot. Like That's so nice. Yeah,
I don't want yay Knocks. I'm glad he said that
to Joel too.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I can't wait to meet Knox.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I know, I'm so excited. Okay, So the weekend goes on.
He plays guitar at her. Oh god, she's so down bad.
She says, he has a good singing voice. Been there, baby,
been there. They've gotten blood on the sheets in the
guest room because I assume like her hymen broke it.
(43:13):
Do be like that, And they have to take the
sheets to the laundrymat because they're scared somebody will see
them washing sheets in the building. Hilarious.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
I love that. I don't think he ever says the
word laundromat. He's like, it's a big room where you
wash her Oh yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
That's so weird. Anyway, they're sitting there in the big
room where you wash the clothes, and they're sleepy because
they mentioned not getting that much sleep because they've been
blinking and because it's hard to get used to sleeping
with a new person. And then the lord drop is
that his parents sleep in separate beds.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Oh yeah, do a double take on that.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It does come by so quickly, and then kind of
not they not talked about again, but I.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Wonder if that was a common Yeah, I was gonna
look up some stats on that. I know both my
sets of grandparents slept in separate rooms and they were
all like, it's cause she snores. It's cause she snores,
like everybody was accusing each other of snoring.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
U huh.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah, And I have heard that couples are sleeping in
separate beds more often now. It's like being embraced.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Yeah, I've heard that that's recently coming to bear. Cut
it just for what he says, of like, it's just
you just get a better sleep. That's not something I
would want to do, but hey, go.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Nuts, I have to tell you for them, I'm going
to cut this out. Over the past two nights, now
that we have a guest room, I'm like, oh wow,
I slept in the guest room because I had such
bad gas.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
That I.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
That's a good reason. I mean, there are times in
my single life where I'm like, damn, I'm so glad
there's not a man around here because I be forortant,
fortant for the sidebar to the sidebar. Have you seen
that movie Materialists? Uh ah, Okay, it's an okay movie.
But one of the weird, like cool girl things Dakota
(45:21):
Johnson's character does is she orders her go tube order
at a bar is coke and a beer, which sounds disgusting.
I don't like, yeah, drinking those side by side. I
watched that movie and my friend with m that's not
a good combination because you be fortin and she's and
(45:44):
you know she's going home to her love interest. Should
they be fortan' and they be fucking? Sometimes you're fortin',
sometimes you're fucking, fortn' and fucking. So that's that was
huge you're doing The first part is fortant. It's well,
and then we added another one. It's like and when
it's contentious, you're fortin, fortin' and fucking and frighten. You're fighting,
(46:11):
fortin' and fucking and frighten. You should play that clip
at the beginning of the episode, and then never explained
Oh my god. But that's a good Okay, that's a
good reason. So some everybody has their reasons for sleeping apart,
and I think, yeah, And then he kind of speculates
a little bit on his parents' marriage, and he says
(46:34):
one time he heard them fighting, because fighting they were foytant.
Oh no, they were foightan because he said, Mom said
that Dad has been flirting like a maniac with someone
(46:55):
at the party they've been to, and she said if
he ever did again, she'd divorce him, which I thought
was a cool thing.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah, and this woman is Obra Obra, Yeah, the one
is she the one that Dad said was exceptional?
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yes, oh, very hot. But Mom also said that Abra
is like running through men and leaving destruction in her wake.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
So like her tomato plants?
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Ill, yeah, because they said she said they were out
on the terrace for forever, and Dad's like, she was
just showing me her tomato plants. And then dad fucking
dad says, look, if I was gonna have sex with
someone other than you, I wouldn't pick for God's sakes,
And Mom's like, who made you pick? Like, oh, Dad,
(47:40):
come on, dude.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
That is the follow up question.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Bruh. So that sucks. That's a fight they have, but
it's not as bad as Burgers. Because Burger this sentences,
Burger says his parents have had some really wild fights.
Once his mother bit his father on the arms so
hard he bled like, Hi, wait, sorry, what what because
(48:07):
I don't understand the logistics of that was. I think
what they maybe are trying to imply is like Burger's
dad was like trying to like restrain her, and she
bit him to get away. Maybe, but the way it's written,
it does sound like she just like reared up and
like piranha bit him.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Yeah, like she's just gnashing out. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah, so that was another weird parent low drop hmm.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
And she's like throwing food against the wall like it
makes her Oh wait, no, he threw the food against
the wall.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yes, huh Okay. Well, they're dozing off at the laundromat
and then all of a sudden enter Billy Parker, who
is the friend who's in college who is in town.
Billy comes rolling up with beers in a paper bag
and he's it's like, oh, this is where I hang
out and drink beer. Yeah, oh huh.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
So I think It's implied that he's like drunk a
little bit because he's really asking weird questions of Leda,
Like he keeps asking her like, do you have a
sister who goes to this school? No? Do you have
a sister that goes to this school? Like, and he's
like really bugging them for no reason. They get uncomfortable
(49:30):
and they leave.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
You think, you know, obviously she doesn't have a sister
who goes to another school. But I'm like, oh, did
she meet him at a party like a year ago?
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Oh my god, You're so right, holy shit, especially with
what we hear about in the next chapter, like, oh
my god, was that like a Lda's alter ego? Oh
my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god,
oh my god. I think you're onto something.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yike, Rafaela. That name and Leita are very like, I
don't know, they're similar in tone.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Oh no, okay, wait, now I do have to backtrack.
So Billy asks Leada if she has a sister, and
he says, I only met your sister at a party.
She looks just like you, only she has shorter hair. Uh,
And he said, I think maybe she goes to andover
and her name's Rafaela, and I think she was. She
(50:31):
said her mother was Italian. So wait, this does kind
of seem like a lie. You would tell if you
were having like a knight on the town and pretending
to be somebody different.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Oh no, like one of my roommates in college used
to go out and tell all the boys that she
was a gynecologistologist.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Okay, So if that happens and they rush away, Leita
leaves and Joel's parents come home and they don't suspect
a thing, and they end the chapter was saying, I'm
glad we don't have to worry about you being lonely.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
When we go away.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
That's one of the advantages of having been brought up
as an only child. You have inner resources.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Interesting, he's exploring Leita's inner resources. Yeah, he is. Okay,
do you have to go at two thirty, don't you?
Speaker 3 (51:29):
I do.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
I can leave it, like if I leave it three,
I will get in a little bit of trouble, but
it'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Do we want to just pick up on this later?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Is that okay? I'm sorry, I feel like I yapped
a lot.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (51:44):
Hi, guys, it's Joel from Beginner's Love Oh I've finished
a little too early, and by that I mean the
episode was supposed to be about chapters ten and eleven,
but it's only chapter ten.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Sorry you're just so so pretty. But don't worry. I'll
be back next week with chapter eleven and it gets
really good. I promise. I promise chapter eleven will lasts
a little longer.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
Oh bye,
Hi. I'm Jody and I'm Mollie, and you're listening to
the Bloom Saloon.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's a Judy Bloom book club.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Are we ready for some normal Kline beginners love chapters
ten and eleven today?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I am. But first, you know what I got to
hit you with. I gotta hit you with the Judy Minuti,
which is where we take one minute or less or
more to talk about the most Judy Bloom thing that
happened to us this week. So, Jody, what is the
most Judy Bloom thing that happened to you this week?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Okay? So I recently moved and I have a ton
of boxes that I still haven't unpacked, and I'm slowly
unpacking stuff and reminiscing and having fun looking at old
things I haven't looked at in years. And I recently
unpacked all my McDonald's Happy Meal toys from the late
eighties early nineties.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's a fine, That is a fine.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I knew at a young age that I would appreciate
these as an adult, so I hung on to them
forever and ever and ever. And my mom has had
them in her attic and she's like, get rid of
they even worse, she wants to give them to her
boyfriend's grandkids, and I'm like, no, So I.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Took them back. Oh good, I'm so glad.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And I recently put them on a little trinket shelf.
And I've hung that trinket shelf. It's the only piece
of art we have put on the walls so far.
All the other art is in a pile. But these
McDonald's Happy Mual toys. It makes me so happy every
time I walk by.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Gosh, what kind of toys are we rocking?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Okay, so you know people of a certain age will
remember the Little Mermaid series that came out. Yes, so
I've got a Prince Eric kneeling. I don't have Ariel.
I don't know what happened to her. I've got a flounder.
I also have a bunch of the really old school
(02:12):
like it's before McDonald's was like partnering with like franchises
and they just got out their own McDonald's toys, like
the fry guy and the little Birdie in a McDonald's
car and Hamburgler.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, imagine giving these to a child. They wouldn't appreciate them. No,
do you have any of the McNuggets? Those are the
ones that I want.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
No, I don't have the mc nuggets. I do have
these funny little I don't know what they're supposed to be,
and I'm pretty sure they're off they're from McDonald's, because
you know, I do have some like Burger King and
Wendy's ones in there. But they are these little round
(02:55):
and maybe they're supposed to be McNuggets, but they're not
crinkly like a McNugget. They're too perfectly round, but like
one is wearing a fire hat. I'll send pictures and
I would had to weigh in the McNugget. Maybe do
you have any old McDonald's toys?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yes, of course, well my grandma. So unfortunately this is
an argument in the column for you should let kids
play them with them, because my dad's mom used to
have a treasure chest full of Happy Meal toys and
so that was all we played with. Like our dollhouses
were inhabited by Happy Meal toys, not like the formal
(03:36):
dolls that went with the dollhouse. So yeah, we had
a ton. I can't I recently bought some because I
loved the little Barbie ones with the real hair, so
I have one of those that I can see from
my desk. I really want the McNugget ones. I keep
hoping that I'll come across those in like a thrift
(03:57):
store or something. But I really want those ones because
I never had those. But we had all like the
Disney ones. But as a result our my like Little
Dollhouse was like, oh yeah, Han Solo lives in this room,
and then all of the McDonald's toys live down here
and they all make out. So that was like my
I remember speaking of the Little Mermaid ones, I remember
(04:20):
I had a ton because she's my favorite. But one
of the ones I had was her sitting on a rock,
and I remember that in the lore of the Dollhouse.
I was like, actually she's in a wheelchair. That's why
she's sitting down. Oh this rock, it's actually a wheelchair. Well,
(04:47):
I have to say that Dollhouse not Ada compliant because
there was stairs, but you know, nobody uses the stairs
in the Dollhouse. No, you just fly exactly. I know.
My dad is so funny. He watches like girls media lately,
I don't know why, and he's he's always like, have
you seen the Barbie movies? Like mols, I saw the
(05:07):
Barbie movie I'm a Woman. But he's like, I didn't
understand that part about the Barbie's like flying from from
the top floor to the bottom floor. Like, yeah, because
that's because you never played with barbie's how you work them.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
But it does make me wonder, like didn't boys make
their G I Joe's fly?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I mean maybe they didn't have house structures for them
to live in. Yeah, they sell it. Oh that's so
sad that it's not a G I. Joe house.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Oh where did they live.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
On the base vehicle?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I guess?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh wait, that's an excellent I'm gonna see my brother
today and I'm gonna ask was there a G I.
Joe house? Because I remember there was like a bat
Man house.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Maybe even Skeletor had his castle.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, but here, now here's my follow up question. Were
there like beds in the skeleton? I don't think so.
I think they were just like armaments. Oh well, now
I'm glad that Han Solo got to live in the
doll house. He probably never had anything comfortable.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You gave him a good life.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Now, listen, I really did. I found my Han Solo
and Princess Leia action figures the other day. The paint
is rubbed off their face because they were macking so hard.
Oh my, that's honestly an upgrade if you're an action
figure owned by a little girl, like yeah, you're like
the sweet oh man, Well.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well what about you, Molly? Yours?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Mine was. I started a new job and there's a
bunch of people that started at the same time as me,
and I experienced some of the most like big sister
rage I've ever experienced on the clock, and it was
like frightening. So as I re know, I'm a big sister,
(06:57):
and I am a very like Rachel Rockson big sister.
Like no part of me was like, oh yes, I've
nurtured my brother. I raised him. It's all like, no,
I yelled at him because he was doing things wrong,
and he consistently does things wrong. So that's the kind
of big sister I am is, to say, a mean one.
And there was this woman who started at the same
(07:19):
time as me. She's an art director and she is
at least ten years younger than me, and God bless her.
She's so friendly and so nice and so creative, but
she just does things differently. I think she should do
things and if she's not doing anything wrong at all.
(07:40):
It just really flies in the face of like my
sensibility of how things are supposed to be done. And
I was finding it that it was really bugging me,
and I didn't say anything about it. I didn't do
anything about it, but I would just be in meetings
like feeling like, oh my god, where would you say
the stupid to do it? And just like I had
(08:05):
to like zoom out of myself and be like, what
is wrong with you? That's crazy way to feel. You
don't know this person, And it was such like the
only time I've ever felt that feeling has been like
with my prefor and so I really had to do
like a lot of like therapy on myself and like
(08:26):
journling and zooming out and being like, you need to
relax because this is none of your business. This is
someone who's just doing their job. They're doing things different.
But like I think sometimes I am shackled by thinking
there's a right way to do stuff and there's not.
So yeah. But then then there was a time where
(08:49):
she was doing something that was like really weird, and
I think other people colocked it as weird, and nobody
wanted to say anything about it. And I was just like,
I don't know what to do, and she like had
a meeting with me later and she goes, can you
be real? Was I doing something weird? And as soon
as she asked that, like my shoulders went down and
(09:11):
I was like, okay, technically no, like you are working
really hard, you have great ideas, like all the stuff
that is true, and I said, but if you're asking,
I do think it typically works this way, and she
was like, oh, thank you. I just didn't know. So
(09:33):
after all of that soul searching and feeling bad and
feeling like weird, it dissipated instantly when she was like,
do you have an opinion on how to do this?
And like do I? It's right? Yeah, it was like weird.
I share it because I'm a little ashamed to have
felt that way, but also maybe someone else has felt
that way.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
One hundred percent understand. I completely get it, and I
love that you were able to release yourself of this
pent up energy let's say energy, right, because it's energy
that you want to put towards doing something right, and
it's not necessarily about her, it's about probably the oh yeah,
(10:14):
the rightness of it all. And yeah, and when you
were able to say your piece, yeah, and release yourself
of that energy and she just take it or leave it.
But hopefully she takes it.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I think she will, and I think and I need
to remember it too. Is like when I was that age,
I honestly was probably the same way, just from like
not knowing how to do things in feeling desperate to
make my mark on places, and just like I've been there,
and I think that's too. I mean, not to get
(10:50):
to therapy, but I think a lot of times the
things that make us mad are feelings we're so familiar
with because we've done them. And this is one hundred percent.
This is one hundred percent like it's or if it's
fifty percent sister stuff, and then fifty percent me knowing
that I've been there, that's the whole deal. So yeah,
(11:12):
this is a crazy thing.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, of course the gossip in me wants to know
exactly what she did. But we can talk about that offline.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well, I'll tell you now and we can we can
cut it, okay anyway, So yeah, don't put that in.
(11:43):
That's like such inside baseball.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
But I know I'm got I love office goss. So
if anyone wants to share theirs, you know, keep it anonymous, vague.
But I was just telling Molly offline. As a freelancer,
I don't get the office gossip feed me yours. I
need it for my soul. I need it to feel
connected to this world. Tell me all about it.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yay.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Did we get any good judy minudies?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh? Actually, look, we got some dms because I said
dm us because we're gonna record soon. Let's see what's
in the old feedbag. Okay, So Sierra Lima fourteen says,
please give me a shout out. I'm almost caught up
on the book. Okay, see are Lima fourteen? Hey, Hey,
(12:33):
shout out to you you the realist. Jeb Wilson, Jeb
Wilson frequent commenter, Hi, Jeb, shout out to you, Hey, Jeb. Hey,
And Jeb says, good luck with the record. I'm scared
to find out what happens next. And will Norman name
drop eight more parents friends? Hot question mark. I think
(12:56):
you're not in luck, Jeb, but we do get some
in interesting parental lored drops this EPP, so you're gonna
be really excited. Honestly, these were two banger chapters. I
thought this were really good chapters.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And then Tracy Ann, whose Instagram handle is blue Eyed Italian,
who wants a shout out, So shout out to you,
Tracy Ann. And Tracy Ann says love and other indoor sports,
which is just a classique.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Right back at youa.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Right back atcha and then shout out to everybody who
sent in their Judy minunis this week. I'll just read
a couple of them. Someone said yes, Mitch again said
they were wearing barett to the bar. I think that's
such a cool move, as somebody who's worn butterfly clips
to every corporate job they've ever had. I say, I
(13:50):
stand with you, as my sister roxy Pants, also frequent commentator,
said they got their hair done. Cute kill h Rebecca Kate, mate,
this is so funny. This is like such a classic
bloom saloon. They said. I wore my purple velvet to
(14:13):
two hospital pointments at two different hospitals, and plenty. Every
time I do a Judy Minudi, I become more and
more worried for the general health of bloom Bends because
there's always somebody that's like, oh no, I had guess
(14:33):
every single week.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
And.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I hope, Rebecca Kate, I hope you're okay, but don't
forget to follow us at the Bloom Saloon podcast on Instagram.
We're fairly active there. Also, no one had anything to
say about the baby feet that you saw at the
s of moment, so those might be an hallucination.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I think that is the proof we were looking for. Wow.
And also, well, the Ruth of Sawa exhibit literally closed
like days after I went, so we will never ever ever, No.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
That's wild. Well I believe you.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Thank you. I just pulled up our email and we
have two new messages that came through. Maybe I'll just
read one of them. Sure, Hi, Jody and Molly. Last
episode you ask parents about reading their kids' journals. So
(15:34):
here's my story. It's a tough read. Trigger warning for suicide, ideation,
emotional abuse, intimate partner violence, and sexual assault. But oh
so sorry, I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Well, you know what, Contractually all of the normal Plin
episodes have to start with a story like this. Totally okay,
here we go braced.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
But it is ultimately hopeful. I want to share it
because while I know a lot of people have strong
feelings about this issue, I know I did it's not
really as black and white as some might think. Several
years ago, when she was fifteen, my daughter was having
a really difficult time and we couldn't figure out why.
She was clearly depressed, stopped hanging out with friends and
(16:19):
often came to us crying, wanting comfort, but unable to
express what was happening. We were worried, her therapist was worried,
and she just kept getting more miserable. Nothing any of
us did to help work. She was dating someone who
seemed nice, but when I asked her if the relationship
was the cause of the upset, she denied it in
a way that made my spidey sense tingle.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Finally I decided to read her journal. Under any other circumstances,
I'd never even consider doing that, and it felt awful.
But if I hadn't, I wouldn't have found out that
her boyfriend was coercively controlling her, isolating her from friends,
and subjecting her to emotional, physical, and sexual abuse. He
threatened suicide if my daughter broke up with him or
(17:03):
told anyone anything.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
After months of this, my daughter couldn't see any way
out except through suicide herself, and had begun making specific plans.
Oh my God. Of course, her dad and I snapped
into action to get our daughter safe. The ensuing months
were absolute shit show, with my daughter furious with me
and the boyfriend's parents for not taking it remotely seriously.
(17:27):
Lots of digs at me about the journal thing, though,
until my daughter's therapist got law enforcement involved. Ultimately everybody
was okay. The boyfriend moved schools and reportedly got help,
and my daughter has done amazing work to heal. We
both look back on the diary reading like I shouldn't
have done it, but thank god I did. She says
that my invading her privacy like that very likely saved
(17:50):
her life, but she's also still kind of pissed about it.
So should a parent read a kid's journal if the
purpose is just a snoop or catchmus behavior. I think
that's an o us know, but I do think there
are circumstances where it is warranted, even if you truly
believe that privately should be sacricynct. Sorry to be a bummer.
Not a bummer, I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I mean, I'm glad everybody's okay, yes, but you're right,
that's such an extenuating circumstance.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I'm so glad you did that for real, and thank
you for sharing that because maybe this makes other parents
feel better about I mean, the thing with teenagers is
they're so secretive, and if there is one source to
get past those secrets, it totally makes sense that you
will go for it.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Well, and especially now. I mean not to be even
more of a bummer, but just like I feel like
there's been a recent spate of kids using like chat
GPT as therapy and chatchept telling them really untrustworthy things,
and so it almost feels like now more than ever,
you should be snoop in a little bit. But man,
(19:02):
I'm so glad your daughter's okay. She's really lucky to
have a mom like you. Yeah, really really, really, really
really lucky. I was thinking about this reprivacy after we talked,
because my mom would sit behind would like do periodic
like checks of my Facebook because we were like the
first generation of like middle schoolers to be on Facebook
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and whatever. And I hated that she did that. I
hated that she did that so much, but she caught
a lot of shit that was bad. To be safe,
I think, I put they had one that was like
a survey and it was like, you know those cute
little surveys you'd fill out, like what's your zodiac sign,
what's your favorite snack or whatever, And one of the
(19:45):
questions was like, what's what's your biggest fear? And my
dumb ass was like, uh, getting kidnapped. It's like, honey,
don't tell the Internet that your biggest fear is getting kidnapped,
because then they're gonna kidnap you.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And then it's like, what's your address.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, So those were things I resented at the time,
but especially hearing about stories like that, it's like, yeah, honestly,
when your Spidey sense is tingling, that's a good reason
to look.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I guess Slit's pivot into chapters ten eleven.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I will say, honestly a great transition because a lot
of the parents in this book are just chronically unnosy. Yeah. Yeah, sure,
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You need Clorox to all fabric bleach? Is it better?
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They're cleanest. Yeah, but check out this gravy steak.
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That's gonna be haunting, too.
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Speaker 1 (23:59):
Okay, all right, I got roll call today. Let's start
with Joel. I think he continues to be our least
favorite Bloom Saloon protagonist ever ever. Yeah, totally, I mean
I dislike him more than who else didn't I like
like Jill Brenner. He's worse than Jill Brenner. He's worse
(24:19):
than Alice from Go Ask Alice. At least Adrian Mole
had his like humor and redeeming qualities like Joel has nothing.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Joel has nothing.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Leeda continues to be maybe our favorite love interests.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yes, completely one of them.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Danny is Leda's bookish best friend. She's got big boobs.
We don't really we don't know what's going on with her.
I think there's like this constant like, ooh, maybe Burger
will call her up, but I don't think he has.
Speaking of Burger, he's Joel's bestie. He is full of personality.
(24:58):
I have mixed feelings about him. He loves cigarettes, he's
got his hamster, he's got his lady doctor. I think
he's fun.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I think he's fun too. I think if I met
Burger in real life, I'd be very endeared to him.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
M Yes, we have the lady doctor, the hot doc.
She's a mystery woman. She's a Doobie Houser type. She
is a maybe twenty five year old doctor who saved
Burger after he fell over a beer bottle at Simon
and Garfuncle. We have his little sister, Hope. She's eleven.
(25:36):
We love her, but we want her to stay far,
far away from Joel. Yes, Joel's mom and dad. Mom
seems cool, but I don't know what do we know
about her. She seems like a fine mom, nice mom.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
She's a Gallerina. Gallerina she was married before.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, speaking of Gerald Finn, Gerald Hartley Finn. I believe
that's mom's older ex husband from way back in the day.
He left her a bunch of art books. We got Dad,
who is a bit of a dick, but he thinks
he's not a dick. He thinks he's like Yeah, his
(26:18):
views on women in general are very weird.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Every now and then he says one good thing, but
it's it's not enough to redeem him.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yes, very of his time though. Yes, we've got Knox.
This is Joel's big brother who lives in la and
he's newly engaged to this lady called Angelica Spivak, who
is hot but not too hot and sounds like they're
going to be coming to visit soon. Ramone this is
(26:48):
Leita's ex lover who famously could not get the p
in the v Obra or abra friend of Mom and
Dad's who she was one of the hot question mark
ones or was she a hot period one?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Well, I think she is hot exclamation point.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
May or may not have gotten funky with Dad out
on the balcony while showing him her tomato plants.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Clink wink.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
We've got Billy Parker, son of Louise Parker, who is
a friend of the fam. Billy likes to hang out
in laundromats.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, and that's what we got, all right, Okay, Well,
now we can dive into chapter ten, and as you'll remember,
what happened in chapter nine is while Joel's parents are gone,
Joel and Lida are going to the bone Zone at
his house with the whole weekend they're really playing house.
And I thought it was very sweet because the chapter
(27:50):
opens with Joel saying this weekend was definitely the best
weekend of my entire life. Maybe it'll be the best
weekend I'll ever have. Really cute, and he says stuff
that feels to me like very typical of like, oh,
you you had sex with somebody you like for the
first time. It kind of like because he's talking about
(28:12):
how they're going to the bone Zone all weekend long,
and he goes, I wonder what people do when they're
just married and they have jobs and have to concentrate
on other things besides sex. I remember having a thought
like that. You get you figure it out, and then
(28:33):
he pitches. He says, the best thing would be if
you were really rich and could just go around the
world for a year and then come back to do
regular things.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Like I agree, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Not wrong, not wrong, And I think about that sometimes
if people get married and don't have their honeymoon right away,
as like you know, most people, that's not their first
time having sex, but it does seem like, wow, it
would be hard to like go back to regular life
so soon after like this big celebration, to be like, Okay,
guess I'm going to work on Monday.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, that's kind of what we did. It was so weird. Yeah,
we were living in San Francisco but went to Houston
to get married because our families are in Houston, so
kind of had a bunch of San Francisco people come out,
a lot of Houston people, people you know, just from
all over, and we had a big party, super fun,
and then I think the next day or the day after,
(29:28):
Tyler had to go back to work, so he left.
He went back to San Francisco like a couple of
days before I did, and then I came back and
then we had it. I don't know. Planning the wedding
was way too stressful, so I couldn't even fathom also
planning a honeymoon.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
That's so true, that's so real.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
We were just like, oh, we'll go, We'll like maybe
go on our honeymoon, you know, on our one year
anniversary or something. The truth is, we never went on
a honeymoon, and we have been married for ten years now,
eleven years now.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
In a way, are you actually married? Because I don't you, like,
I don't think it legally sets it until you've gone
your honeymoon, so I think you've maybe been living in sin.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
We're exactly okay, well, you know we're still waiting to consummate.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
So oh that's good, okay good. I was gonna say, oh,
thank goodness. Joe and Lena did not wait, they're doing it.
And then eventually Joel is like, oh no, I forgot
to ask about birth control? Doel wild wild?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Well?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I also, I guess I think it's crazy that they
didn't use a condom. I know, so that's bad on
Joel's part.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
But okay, I was thinking, okay, so you know I
was thinking AIDS, right, uh eight three? Yeah, I don't though.
I don't think that people were really thinking straight people
were getting AIDS until later.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Right, And I think the likelihood that to like virgin
I mean high school heterosexual students, I think the likelihood
that they would get AIDS is very low.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, either way, pregnancy was the only concern really, but it.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Is interesting that that was not a thought that crossed
his mind at all. So yeah, but don't worry. LTA
is using a diaphragm.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I mean, yeah, what happened to diaphragms?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, I sure haven't heard about them in a long time.
I think they must not be in fashion. I've never
encountered one. The closest I have ever gotten to And
if this is any indication, I could not use a time.
I use like a period blocker one time, and that
was so hard to get into correct physician, and where
(32:01):
that I cannot imagine using a diaphragm.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
So wait, a blocker or like a cup like a
Diva cup.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
No, it was like a disc, and I think it
was meant to be. I don't know if it was
like a Diva cup replacement or whatever, but I bought
it to have sex with someone on my period and
it was effective for that. But it was so hard
to put in there that I cannot imagine using a diaphragm.
(32:32):
Though apparently diaphragms are like measured to the specific person,
so I don't know. It sounds like a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah you did. You had to go get fitted.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
That's crazy. Yeah, I don't think people are doing that anymore. No, well, hey, Blimpson,
let's put out the APB. Anybody's still wearing a diaphragm.
I'd be so curious to know.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Do a special report, same one from nineteen eighty seven
over the.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Oh Brother. Okay, so she has don't worry, she has
a diaphragm, and then Joel is like, wait, how come
you have a diaphragm? Like, shut the fuck up. This
will be a pattern through these chapters of Lida being like, no,
I've been proactive and I'm making sure our sex life
is good, and Joel being like, huh, you're being proactive
(33:23):
and making sure our sex life is good. Okay, what
like so shitty? But he does that now where he's like,
I don't understand, why why do you have one of those?
And Lida explains like, oh, well, when my dad knew
I was in a relationship with Ramon, he got he
helped me get one, which is very good. That's like
(33:45):
what a parent should do.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, that's nice. I wonder why her dad not her mom,
but yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I wonder if like her mom didn't know because she
wasn't in that same play that Ramone was in, so
it was the dad who directing it And I don't
really know, but either way, that's very progressive of that dad.
And this is a wild lord drop ya does not
make any sense, so I'm to read this part so
(34:18):
so Joel kind of asks like, does does this mean
your dad know we're doing it? And Lida says this probably,
oh not about this weekend. Don't look so worried, Joel.
It's okay. Daddy's really broad minded. I don't know if
this is why. But he tells this story about how
in the war he was captured and they were going
to like shoot him, only some board let him go.
(34:42):
He never knew why, and he says, since then he
feels like he's been given a second life, and all
the things people make a fuss about and don't don't
seem at all important, Like, whoa, that's nuts. So, in conclusion,
my dad bought me a diaphragm.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Okay, Daddy's war story. Oh fuck yeah, it's like he
watched a war movie and he's just kind of lifting
some of the plot line I know.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, okay, that.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Was French Girls.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, ye had a time, Okay, And so then they
keep having their little couple's weekend. They go to see Et.
Do you love ET?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I love ET?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
That's so nice?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Do you not love Et? You know?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I have been afraid of ET since I could form thoughts. Yeah,
I like it one bit. My grandma used to have
an Et doll because my cousin grew up in the
eighties and was obsessed with ET. So she had a
doll that lived in like the playroom at my grandma's house.
And I would make them hide it and like lock
(35:50):
it away when I was there, because I'm like, I
hate whatever this little freak is. But I could tell
that was an unpopular opinion to have, so I kept
trying to get myself to like ET. Every time I
would go over to my grandma's house and be like, hey,
this time we're watching ET, and she's like, no, we shouldn't.
You don't like this movie, Like, nah, I do, let's go.
(36:13):
Every time we would get like twenty minutes into it
and I'd be like, I'm out. I can't. Ain't no way.
So I've seen it, and I understand why people are
affectionate about it, but I want that little freak as
far away from me as I could possibly get. I
fucking hate eight.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
It is surprising, oh uncute they made Oh my god.
You know, I'm very impressed they just went for it
because he's definitely scary. I think I don't know. I
was like three when it came out. I am sure
I was terrified as a kid, but I have grown
to love Eta. Oh that's great, and maybe you can too. No,
(36:56):
I think it's too late for me.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I think certain things have asked me why because I
was so afraid of them. I can never go back.
I was so afraid of ET. I will never have
affection for ET. I was so afraid of the billboards
for the movie Mars Attack. I will never watch the
movie Mars Attack ever ever.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Oh that's so funny. I don't remember the billboards, but.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
They had the alien and the aliens are very scary looking. No,
so some things are just not for me, and that's
one of them. Yeah. So yeah so they Now, would
you recommend et as a post boning movie? No, beggars
can't be choosers. What's the Do you remember the weirdest
(37:41):
post boning movie you ever watched? Oh? Actually no, because
for me it's Despicable Me. Oh uh, it was like
my college boyfriend that wasn't my really my boyfriend my
college situationship came into town when weekend and we had
we were like going to the bone Zone crazy and
(38:03):
then in between rounds we went to go see Despicable Crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
So yeah, so whenever you see minions, are you just
whenever I see a minion, I get a Uti.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yes, it's hard driving the freeway here, there's one right
off the freeway anyhow, So they have this weird system
where only one of them can go down the elevator
at a time, so nobody sees them together, which is
so funny. It's such like high school paranoia. Yeah, like
(38:34):
nobody's paying that close attention to yours. And then it
made me sad because when Joel gets out of the elevator,
he doesn't see her and she jumps out and scares him,
and he goes, I was scared you might have gone home, like, oh, baby, honey.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
He's constantly in fear of her leaving him, which explains
you know, his like, well, you have a diaphragm like
I didn't. His self esteem is pretty low.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
But yeah, and he's constantly worried about her because in
these next in these next paragraphs, he's like, why me,
Leda could have had anyone she wanted, famous actors, anyone.
It's like, you have really though self esteem, which, yeah,
you suck. Like maybe that's appropriate to who you are
as a person. I can't tell which came first. Are
(39:22):
you that way because you're a shitty person or you
a shitty person because of that? Either way? Interesting. So yeah,
and they just like spend the rest of the weekend
doing it, and at one point they're they're having sex
and Leda goes down on him and he likes it,
(39:45):
but then as soon as it's done, he starts to
be like, wait, why does she do something that's good
for our sex life.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
We know.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
He doesn't he likes, but also is wary that she
he swallowed. Yeah, so that really messes. That really messes
with his head, and he's aware that it's hypocritical, but
it's he really doesn't like it. She's talking about how
like Ramone kind of taught her to do that. He's like, I,
(40:20):
he expresses the thing like, I wish you hadn't done
it with anybody but me, But Leita goes, but then
I wouldn't know how Yeah, yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
In Joel's perfect world, they would just be bumbling through
things together and it wouldn't be that good, but at
least she'd be pure.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
No. I think in Joel's perfect world and in a
lot of people's fantasy, it's this trope of like I
think it's called like the sexy baby trope. It's like
somebody who's never had sex before who is magically the
best at This comes up a lot in literature and
(41:03):
in movies. It's like, oh, it's we've only been with
each other, but magically I'm really really good at it
the first time.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Exact, Oh that's what it's called. The trope is called
born Sexy Yesterday. Really yeah, it's it's it gets used
in a lot of media and it's called born Sexy Yesterday.
So yeah, he wants that and it'll it's not happening.
And so they talk about how uh Ramone looks like
Eric Extrata from Chips, and he goes he has a
(41:35):
whole conneption about it.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Oh god, the things. He says. I don't know if
we want to repeat it.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
But yeah, it's weird. He's like, I hate Spanish guys.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
This book has got Raco.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah. So Lita is explaining that she doesn't let she
didn't she's in love with Joel. She's not in love
with Ramon. She's like Ramone with shat. He doesn't read.
He's so full of himself. And Joel's next thought is
he probably had a cock nine feet long, like h relax.
So he does end this section with talking about Knox,
(42:13):
and he gives some insight into Knox that makes me
like knocks better. Leita is like, you should be glad
that I've had this experience because now our sex life
is so good. Why does any of that past matter?
Speaker 3 (42:26):
This?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Then this is now? And Joel says, I know what
that's a good philosophy. And I'm not someone who wants
to marry a virgin. Knox said, guys like that are Neanderthals.
He said he wants someone who likes sex enough to
have done it a lot. Like That's so nice. Yeah,
I don't want yay Knocks. I'm glad he said that
to Joel too.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I can't wait to meet Knox.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I know, I'm so excited. Okay, So the weekend goes on.
He plays guitar at her. Oh god, she's so down bad.
She says, he has a good singing voice. Been there, baby,
been there. They've gotten blood on the sheets in the
guest room because I assume like her hymen broke it.
(43:13):
Do be like that, And they have to take the
sheets to the laundrymat because they're scared somebody will see
them washing sheets in the building. Hilarious.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
I love that. I don't think he ever says the
word laundromat. He's like, it's a big room where you
wash her Oh yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
That's so weird. Anyway, they're sitting there in the big
room where you wash the clothes, and they're sleepy because
they mentioned not getting that much sleep because they've been
blinking and because it's hard to get used to sleeping
with a new person. And then the lord drop is
that his parents sleep in separate beds.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Oh yeah, do a double take on that.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It does come by so quickly, and then kind of
not they not talked about again, but I.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Wonder if that was a common Yeah, I was gonna
look up some stats on that. I know both my
sets of grandparents slept in separate rooms and they were
all like, it's cause she snores. It's cause she snores,
like everybody was accusing each other of snoring.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
U huh.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah, And I have heard that couples are sleeping in
separate beds more often now. It's like being embraced.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Yeah, I've heard that that's recently coming to bear. Cut
it just for what he says, of like, it's just
you just get a better sleep. That's not something I
would want to do, but hey, go.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Nuts, I have to tell you for them, I'm going
to cut this out. Over the past two nights, now
that we have a guest room, I'm like, oh wow,
I slept in the guest room because I had such
bad gas.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
That I.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
That's a good reason. I mean, there are times in
my single life where I'm like, damn, I'm so glad
there's not a man around here because I be forortant,
fortant for the sidebar to the sidebar. Have you seen
that movie Materialists? Uh ah, Okay, it's an okay movie.
But one of the weird, like cool girl things Dakota
(45:21):
Johnson's character does is she orders her go tube order
at a bar is coke and a beer, which sounds disgusting.
I don't like, yeah, drinking those side by side. I
watched that movie and my friend with m that's not
a good combination because you be fortin and she's and
(45:44):
you know she's going home to her love interest. Should
they be fortan' and they be fucking? Sometimes you're fortin',
sometimes you're fucking, fortn' and fucking. So that's that was
huge you're doing The first part is fortant. It's well,
and then we added another one. It's like and when
it's contentious, you're fortin, fortin' and fucking and frighten. You're fighting,
(46:11):
fortin' and fucking and frighten. You should play that clip
at the beginning of the episode, and then never explained
Oh my god. But that's a good Okay, that's a
good reason. So some everybody has their reasons for sleeping apart,
and I think, yeah, And then he kind of speculates
a little bit on his parents' marriage, and he says
(46:34):
one time he heard them fighting, because fighting they were foytant.
Oh no, they were foightan because he said, Mom said
that Dad has been flirting like a maniac with someone
(46:55):
at the party they've been to, and she said if
he ever did again, she'd divorce him, which I thought
was a cool thing.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah, and this woman is Obra Obra, Yeah, the one
is she the one that Dad said was exceptional?
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yes, oh, very hot. But Mom also said that Abra
is like running through men and leaving destruction in her wake.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
So like her tomato plants?
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Ill, yeah, because they said she said they were out
on the terrace for forever, and Dad's like, she was
just showing me her tomato plants. And then dad fucking
dad says, look, if I was gonna have sex with
someone other than you, I wouldn't pick for God's sakes,
And Mom's like, who made you pick? Like, oh, Dad,
(47:40):
come on, dude.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
That is the follow up question.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Bruh. So that sucks. That's a fight they have, but
it's not as bad as Burgers. Because Burger this sentences,
Burger says his parents have had some really wild fights.
Once his mother bit his father on the arms so
hard he bled like, Hi, wait, sorry, what what because
(48:07):
I don't understand the logistics of that was. I think
what they maybe are trying to imply is like Burger's
dad was like trying to like restrain her, and she
bit him to get away. Maybe, but the way it's written,
it does sound like she just like reared up and
like piranha bit him.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Yeah, like she's just gnashing out. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah, so that was another weird parent low drop hmm.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
And she's like throwing food against the wall like it
makes her Oh wait, no, he threw the food against
the wall.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yes, huh Okay. Well, they're dozing off at the laundromat
and then all of a sudden enter Billy Parker, who
is the friend who's in college who is in town.
Billy comes rolling up with beers in a paper bag
and he's it's like, oh, this is where I hang
out and drink beer. Yeah, oh huh.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
So I think It's implied that he's like drunk a
little bit because he's really asking weird questions of Leda,
Like he keeps asking her like, do you have a
sister who goes to this school? No? Do you have
a sister that goes to this school? Like, and he's
like really bugging them for no reason. They get uncomfortable
(49:30):
and they leave.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
You think, you know, obviously she doesn't have a sister
who goes to another school. But I'm like, oh, did
she meet him at a party like a year ago?
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Oh my god, You're so right, holy shit, especially with
what we hear about in the next chapter, like, oh
my god, was that like a Lda's alter ego? Oh
my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god,
oh my god. I think you're onto something.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yike, Rafaela. That name and Leita are very like, I
don't know, they're similar in tone.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Oh no, okay, wait, now I do have to backtrack.
So Billy asks Leada if she has a sister, and
he says, I only met your sister at a party.
She looks just like you, only she has shorter hair. Uh,
And he said, I think maybe she goes to andover
and her name's Rafaela, and I think she was. She
(50:31):
said her mother was Italian. So wait, this does kind
of seem like a lie. You would tell if you
were having like a knight on the town and pretending
to be somebody different.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Oh no, like one of my roommates in college used
to go out and tell all the boys that she
was a gynecologistologist.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Okay, So if that happens and they rush away, Leita
leaves and Joel's parents come home and they don't suspect
a thing, and they end the chapter was saying, I'm
glad we don't have to worry about you being lonely.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
When we go away.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
That's one of the advantages of having been brought up
as an only child. You have inner resources.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Interesting, he's exploring Leita's inner resources. Yeah, he is. Okay,
do you have to go at two thirty, don't you?
Speaker 3 (51:29):
I do.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
I can leave it, like if I leave it three,
I will get in a little bit of trouble, but
it'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Do we want to just pick up on this later?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Is that okay? I'm sorry, I feel like I yapped
a lot.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (51:44):
Hi, guys, it's Joel from Beginner's Love Oh I've finished
a little too early, and by that I mean the
episode was supposed to be about chapters ten and eleven,
but it's only chapter ten.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Sorry you're just so so pretty. But don't worry. I'll
be back next week with chapter eleven and it gets
really good. I promise. I promise chapter eleven will lasts
a little longer.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
Oh bye,
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