June 16, 2025 • 44 mins
Sike, we are STILL talking about Fudge! Just a little chit-chat about the utterly adorable TV series, specifically the movie-length pilot, "Fudge-A-Mania." Learn all about the Porky's and Brady Bunch tie-ins, Judy's thoughts on the film, and why Molly has been son-pilled. And yes, we promise to start "Beginner's Love" by Norma Klein in two weeks. It's a Judy Blume book club. Join us every other week!
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hi, I'm Jodie and I'm Mollie and you're listening to
the Bloom Saloon.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's a G D Bloom book Club.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Mollie, we should confess that we are huge liars. We
told everybody last episode that we were done with fudge,
like Fudge of Mania was over, over over over.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
But oopsies, gotcha one more little one for the road.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, we couldn't help ourselves because we realized we had
forgotten to watch the fudge Mania TV movie that came
out in nineteen ninety five. So we're here to have
a little chat about that.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, we're trying to cram as much fudge content in
to you as humanly possible. We're fudge packing if you will.
Oh god, bit, that's the kind of class I bring
to this podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So yeah, let's fudge pack it away. Oh yiks.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
But before we get into all that, let's check in
what was the most Judy Bloom thing that happened to
you this week? Aka the Judy Minuti where you take
one minute or less to tell us about a Judy
Bloom aspect of your life.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
A few days ago, I found myself eating cottage cheese
and watching the pilot episode of Knots Landing.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Huh, that is so Judy bloom Co.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Have you ever seen Knots Landing.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
No, it's a soap opera from like the seventies.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Right, Yeah, it's basically it started as a spinoff from Dallas.
So it's Jr's And I never watched Dallas when it
was on, but I know who jr Is shot him.
It's one of the Ewings's family members, like a cousin
or something, and his wife and then they go to
(02:16):
Knots Landing, which is this idyllic cul de sac somewhere
in California. And so it's so dramatic and so nineteen seventies,
and I loved it, well.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Especially the combo of recreational cottage cheese and not slanting.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
God, I love cottage cheese. And you know why I
got into cottage cheese.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Tell me it's because of Wifey Cheese built No, I
have never.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Had it before. And then when we were reading Wifey,
al was like, oh my god, cottage cheese is so good,
and I was like ew ew ew And then I
tried it and I have never looked at wow. Yeah,
what about your jady Manudi?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, I have been wearing old bras for too long.
They're like melting off of me like a Salvador dully painting.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh they're so bad.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So I finally like went on a journey to get
a new I want. The goal was a new everyday bra,
and then like a strapless kind of push up e
bra for like sun dresses and stuff. And so I
re bought a bra that I love, shout out, honeylove.
They make great bras, and I get their crossover bra
and I really like it. So I bought an old
(03:36):
reliable and then I bought a strapless bra that my
friend said she liked. But then I tried on that
strapless bra and it was like cutting off my circulation.
So I don't know what happened, if is a bad
bra or not, but I'm still on the hunt. So
if you are listening and you love your strapless bra,
give me a call, because if no one intervenes, I'm
gonna give Kim Kardashian money and try and buy a
(03:57):
Skims one. So call call to save a life, I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
But it is like.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Amazing the difference wearing a bra that fits works, except
for this one that I wore today was like a
little tight, and I can't tell if it's like new
bra tight or like bad tight. I don't know, but
I think the process of buying a bra, the process
of measuring yourself for a bra and then feeling weird
in said bra.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Is very judy on my question. My first question was
did you get measured?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
No, I should have.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I just did it myself, and I even that took
several tries at a friend's house, and.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
So maybe I fucked up.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
But then it seems rude to go to a place
and get measured and then not buy one of their bad.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Well what else are they doing? Just waiting with their
tape measures? They just want anyone to talk to, So
you're doing them a favor.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Oh, maybe I have to do that, because I do
slightly get a whiff of I fucked this process up,
so damn it.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Oh. And so during COVID, a couple of friends and
I decided to home in on our actual bra sizes,
and we did a ton of research, and most people
are measuring wrong. Like I always thought I was a
thirty four, No, thirty four B, but it turns out
(05:24):
I am a thirty six A and they're like sister sizes.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, I'm like, oh, wide ripcage okay.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
But interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, and so there are there are sister sizes, like
you can substitute one for another, but if you want
the perfect fit, you should really get the actual size.
That's all I know.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
This is making a lot of sense. Okay, I actually
think I need to go back to the forty damn it.
I thought I had this sorted.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You did say this was a journey, so it is.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Now he can move into the discussion of the fudge
Mania movie.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yay.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I thought this was an adorable little movie. It was
an ABC Family movie that came out in nineteen ninety five.
It also served as the pilot for the Fudge TV series,
which aired on Saturday mornings and went for two seasons.
Wow a lot of episodes.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The first season was based off the book storylines. I
think they were a little bit out of order from
like the episode titles I read, but he still rooted
in the novels. And then the second season just went rogue. Wow,
who knows what they get up to in season two.
I kind of want to watch me too. Question for you, Mollie,
(07:06):
this is kind of a quiz and for the bluemheads,
do you have any guesses on how fudge Mania and
the movie Porkys might be related in this world?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I do because I looked it up.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Damn it, damn it, damn it.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's a bad quiz. But yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Bob Clark, who wrote and directed Porkis and also a
movie I was more familiar with, which is Baby Geniuses,
also wrote and directed the fudge Mania.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Series Yes, and a Christmas Story.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yes, which makes sense because there's some actor cross over there.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Oh so much and Brady Bunch, but I'll get there.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Oh, it keeps going, it keeps crossing over.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, Bob was prolific. He also was super influential back
in the seventies for horror slasher movies. Oo talk trajectory.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
What a varied career good for him.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah. So the first thing I noticed was eve Plum
Jan Brady. She is Peter's mom.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
In typical Jan Brady fashion. Did not recognize that's who
that was. Oh really, I was like, this new young
actor on the scene is so good.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Let me look it up. What else has she done?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Like?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Oh, every Brady thing ever? But she's terrific in.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
This Oh, she's great. She's the perfect mom.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I wrote in my notes that I don't have but
I remember this is I wrote, Wow, the image reparations
this has done on mom incredible. I never thought I
would love Missus Hatcher, but in this adaptation, I definitely do.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You're so right. Florence Henderson is Grandma Muriel. Incredible. As
soon as we got into the opening scene, I just
got a sense of like Brady Bunch like pacing music,
Like there's just something very Brady about it all. And
(09:10):
then it turns out that Bob also directed The Voice
of Christmas, which is the iconic Brady Bunch episode, or
maybe it was a TV movie where Carol gets laryngitis
Do you remember that one?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
And she can't sing in her church Christmas concert, and
so Cindy asks a mall Santa for a miracle so
that her mom will get her voice back.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Wow, And Bob Clark directed that, Like, what the hell?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Oh, my gosh, it's who you know?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I guess, well.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
My six, what's your name, Cindy Brady My, but you
are a pretty little girl. What toy would you like
to have Santa bring you?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Oh? I am wanting me toys.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
No toys, You must want something for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I do.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
I want my mommy to get her voice back. Your
mommy's voice back, mommy's Scott very jitis got real bad.
Well that is a shame. And just to sing at
church on Christmas. Well, Cindy, I don't think I can. Oh,
please senate, it's all I want for Christmas. Oh, you
(10:23):
certainly are a sweet, unselfish little girl. I'm sure your
mommy will get her voice back.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Oh, Saint Senna, gotty dotty, what are you so excited about?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Say's gonna give mommy your voice back for Christmas. He's
what you promise mommy can sing on Christmas morning?
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Oh honey, how could he do that? He's not a doctor.
He's better than a doctor. He's Santa Cross.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
M hmmm.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Sing sing at this hour. I can't even talk.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I just did.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Oh my, I'm not dreaming.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I'm awake.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
I can talk singing.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oh, calm, faceful, joyful, trial fund calm col I do
have a breakdown of all the cast members that I
could link to Bob Clarke either calling in some favors
(11:50):
or my theory is that they have some serious Blackmail
because it's like the crossover is a little heavy, or.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
This is like his version of Adam Sandler always putting
the same people in all of his.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Projects totally, or like a Christopher guest thing. Yeah, Sheila's
dad was in a Christmas Story when in Rome was
from Porky's two. The actor who played big A was
a very seasoned actor, but also in Porky's the original Porky's.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
They've remade Porky's.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Oh there was like a Porky's two, three, four, like seventeen.
It went on and on.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I only saw the one. My goodness, ooh ooh.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Bicycle Bob was the school principal in Twin Peaks. I
didn't recognize him from that, but I know love Twin Peaks.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I love Twin Peaks too.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
The kid who plays Peter has been a ton of
other stuff since, but most notably to me, a few
of the Clerks and Jay and Silent Bob movies.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
That's so cool. I love Kevin Smith.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Same and then lastly Jimmy Fargo. I thought he was
so cute. I love this little boy. He was in
the original Parenthood movie Whoa. I don't know if you
remember he was the kid named cool.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Oh yes, this is like the son of someone, right, Yeah,
he's like legitimate son exactly. Well, how dare you leave
out the most important credit, which is that the little
boy who plays Fudge who deserves an Emmy by the way,
Uh huh, he plays Frederick in Fraser, which is Fraser's
(13:38):
son that you'd see in like one and a half episodes. Oh,
check your privilege. He's in Fraser.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Oh how well. I forgive myself for leaving that out.
I didn't know that. That's so funny. I can see
it though. Come on, wait, I didn't know Fraser had
a son.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, Fraser and Lilith have a son named Frederick, who
is like scene rarely never like less than Rachel and
Ross's kid on Friends. Yeah, Fraser very negligent father and
we never talk about that.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I also want to mention that Tom j Oh gosh,
this is a hard name to pronounce. His last name
is spelled A S T L E. So my mouth
wants to say Astell, but that sounds suggestive. So Tom j.
Astell also wrote for this this pilot, and he wrote
(14:34):
for the Clueish TV series and also this Disney TV
series that I forget about every few years and then
it comes back to me like a fever dream called
Adventures in Wonderland.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Did you ever watch this?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It do yourself a nightmare, favor look up. Adventures in
Wonderland is very creepy and very of its time. So
just wear the shout out in case anybody remembered that.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And that's a Disney one too.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
It's a Disney one. It's a live action like Alice
in Wonderland eighties show. There is rollerblading, there is adults
in fur suits, there's everything you could want from a fuel. Yeah,
it was a weekly show.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Sounds amazing. So yeah, I think we're in agreement, Molly.
We love this little movie.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, and I think I cut you off when you
were saying this earlier, but you can find it on YouTube.
In its entirety.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It starts with a fun little tour of New York
with a monologue from Peter. It's very quirky. I like
the tone. It's just like he does a ton of that,
like narration and shrugging right out the camera. Fudge is
introduced with a very direct nod to the shining.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
With the shining scene and then the Jaws music behind
it is very funny.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Dude. I wanted to note that Turtle is a Saint Bernard.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I think, which makes sense because I think this Tom
j Assel also wrote for Beethoven too. I see, No,
that's wrong, it's just oh sorry, my note said it
came out. Beethoven comes out after this. But I feel
like between this and the sand Lot, Saint Bernard's were
(16:23):
very in the zeitgeist in this time period.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
What if it's the same Saint Bernard. There can be
that many Saint Bernard actors.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Oh, I would love that.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
We'll have to look. I didn't see a dog credit
on IMDb, but I can do some searching.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, it kind of definitively says that Turtle is a
Saint Bernard and Jake, who we see later is a
Jack Russell, and this sounds very cute.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, let's see. So overall, this movie was so, so, so,
so true to the book. I mean, some of it
was word for word, which none of us need that,
but it really works here and I totally appreciated it.
Like so many scenes played out exactly as I pictured.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, I think it's like what we were talking about
with Forever is. I think there are like two distinct
ways you can approach an adaptation. You can be super
true and super faithful, or you can sort of take
the idea, the thesis of it and put it in
a different spot. And this is definitely in the first
camp of like let's be book perfect, let's shade in
(17:32):
some parts that we didn't hear about in the book,
or add some more stuff for color, but mostly it
is like a direct line adaptation, yes, which is fun.
And I guess that makes sense too, is because if
little kids were coming into this from reading the book.
I don't know about you, but I was at my
most pedantic and book adhering when I was the age
(17:54):
for this show. Like I remember walking out of the
first Harry Potter movie being like, yeah, well, I mean
that was good, but they they said that Hagrid brought
the dragon from a Greek man, but in the book
it does Shay, it's an Irish guy show me. I
don't think there's adaptations for shit. So I think if
you're catering to that audience or people who are really
(18:15):
nostalgic about it from their childhoods, they're gonna want it
let her perfect.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Great point, It's so true. I also had a moment
where I wrote to Anna Martin because there was a
like anachronism in one of her books and I had
to point it out.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Oh I love this.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Did she write back, no, wow, well maybe one day.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Oh one note about their road trip to Maine. This
was such a relief. Peter makes it a point to
say that it's been four hours since their last stop,
so they did get to p Molly.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Thank god they're.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Not driving nine hours straight. But I have a question
for you about Maine. Was this filmed in Maine? It
looks like it was.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Oh I sure, hope.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
So I feel like, knowing what we know about movie production,
this was probably like either Canada or like Croatia.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
It can be any of.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Those, but it looked very many, at least to me
who's never been to Maine.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It looked like perfectly many to me, So good job Croatia.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I got up to this point and then I was like,
wait a second, there's no Libby.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Well not just that they're killing everyone's sister, because there's
no TUTSI.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I know, I didn't. I didn't notice Tisy was missing until.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
The very end.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, but they say Libby's at camp for the summer,
which totally makes sense. Libby doesn't play a bigger part
in this book. Tutsie kind of does, but only with
another character who they cut, which is mister Yeah, so transient.
He couldn't even be in the movie.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Nitzi is very cute but adorable. I gotta say, she's
not quite the actor fudges.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And again, this young man who is playing Fudge genius
just honestly, this is my citizen Kane. He's fabulous, he's
such he's so good that it got me thinking, like, damn,
do I want a son?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
And I don't think I do.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
But this whole this movie, the fudge Mania movie, was
Son propaganda.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
This was made by Big Son to make you reproduce is.
They were so frickin' cute, the lot of them. I'm
son pilled.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I did read one film critic review that uh criticized
the Fudge actor's lack of nunciation.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
He's a oh well, now listen, did that come into it? Yes,
there is one scene. I wrote down the timestamp in
my notes. I don't but I think it was like
fourteen minutes. In it's when they're first in the bedroom
at the main house and Peter's talking to himself or
something Fudge Joes Peter.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Fully inaudible.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I watched it three different times trying to figure out
what the fuck he was saying, and it was pure gobbledegook.
But to me, I don't think that takes anything away.
I think, have you talked to a baby recently? They
don't be enunciating, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I didn't expect him to have the monster voice that
we do, but this is kind of second best to that.
You need a little.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
It was so good.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
So to that reviewer, I say, leave my boy alone.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
My boy, I wonder what he's up to now.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Well, not acting because he doesn't have an acting credit
after being a little kid, I don't think. So, Yeah,
wherever you are, I hope you're doing well.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Should we go find him for you?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
He's like definitely older than.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
You, But yeah, I don't think. I don't think that'll work.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
But you can't make him your son.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
No, listen, I'd love to make an older man my son,
but I don't think it's in the cards.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Okay, missus. Tubman is a true nut job, Like what
is going on with her.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
No, I say, justice from missus Tubban. How dare these
degenerates not appreciate her contribution to this trip?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Well, okay, her cloking is so underappreciated. I thought that
they were all so rude about it. But there was
one scene where she's like parking toy cars in little
fake parking lots. Yes, and I'm just like, so that
was such a random scene to add because that was
not in the book, and like, if you're going to
(23:06):
add things in, that was very weird.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Listen, it's extremely weird. Did I enjoy it? Absolutely? Do
I think she did anything wrong?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
No? I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
The whole thing is they're trying to illustrate, like how
why she is the way that she is, and like
have more adult tension between the adults, and so they
make Missus Tubman to be this like super anal, like
clearing the plates before you're done eating them, parking the
cars in this little pretend parking lot, making these crazy
gourmet dishes, and you're supposed to the way this is written,
(23:38):
you're supposed to be like, look at the crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Woman, how dare she?
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I think she's underappreciated. I think everybody better get in line.
I can't believe you're taking this tact because to me,
she seems extremely older.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Sibling coach.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I would like to ask you, though, how old were
you when you ate your first artichoke? Because that's a
pivotal scene in this where she's making the kids eat
artichokes and they're like, yeah, that is a great question.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I was probably like in my twenties before I had
an art to choke. Wait, do you remember your first artichoke?
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I feel like I was chopping down on artichokes when
I was like she was age or younger, because I
think maybe my mom has a touch of the Missus Tubman,
I guess in terms of experimenting with food and stuff.
But artichokes were like my favorite food's y yumm.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Wait, so did you do like the fresh art to choke,
like peel it off and then like rip it off
with your teeth kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
It was just, you know, I think the way I
think Missus Tubman's fatal flaw is in marketing. And they
kind of point this out when she was describing the
Fois gras. If Missus Tubman had just been.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Like, yo, kids, you like butter? You like mayonnaise.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
This is like an edible spoon for butter and mayonnaise,
go nuts. Like that's what an art choke is? Come
on pilot it.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Wow, Mollie marketing genius. You're giving the Olay people are
run for their money. What what kind of name could
you make out of? Like the art of choke acronym
like landolin is to olay as art to choke is
too blank?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Oh no, can.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
What kind of anagram choking?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
The art of choking?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Great, we got fudge packing the art of choking?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
What comes next? I don't know. I'll have to think
about that one.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, you can get back to me.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
To say nothing of Sheila. I think Sheila is adorable
and very cute. Yes, perfect, loved her and that oh
that actress's name.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Let me look it up so I get it. Her
name is the most beautiful name ever committed to film.
And that actress's name is Noresa Nikola.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
It is beautiful and it sounds so oh oh she
was born in Alameda County neighbors like right here? Uh?
One exciting thing was they use the real tell me
a Mitzi book?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Did they?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I must have looked away right as they did that.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
That's so cool, just like you looked away during the
blowjob in the movie theater. Come on, Mollie, you need
to be.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Watching with both eyes. You know what they call that
in TV? When you watch. There's a sort of thrust
in TV writing now from corporate to say, you have
to make a TV show that you can watch while
you also scroll your phone. Uh, and they call that
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second screen friendly. So you should have all the exposition
is spoken so everybody can like hear it. They don't
have to look at it. You shouldn't have like sight gags.
So fudge Mania not second But I'm just.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
The most awful thing I've ever heard, Mollie, isn't it disgusting?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I paid it, but I'm I'm doing I'm out here,
don't I'm out here putting my eyeballs on two places
at once, So I'm part of the problem.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, but oh, that's so cute.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
They use the real They do.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Use the real. Tell me I'm at seabook. And then
my next note is Isabelle is totally hot.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Uh, babe, so pretty? And I think what I like
about this show is that you can tell that they're
like putting an eye towards diversity, like Jimmy Fargo is black,
and then whoever plays Isabelle is clearly an actress of color.
Like they're really doing a good job of, you know,
both giving people jobs and then like adding these people
into the story.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
It's very cool.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, yeah, it was kind of like it's the nineties, guys,
let's get with it.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Get with it.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Okay, Sorry, back to the Fois gra though. My next
note is about how you know, Sheila gives a lesson
about how Foie Gras is made, and everybody's laughing like maniacs,
and I'm on Sheila's side. I'm like, you tell them.
But then I don't think that was the lesson the
you know the writers had in mind, because Fudge does
his little good night goose cuts.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, what I love about that scene is is Mom
as she sees Sheila winding up to go, the mom
goes like, oh, Sheila, she she knows that's the death
knell of it. It's like, if you just didn't say anything.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Everybody would have been mine.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I think Eave Plumb plays such a good, like well
meaning but like tired mom.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, it's so good. Yeah, we have a very quick
boat scene it's it's too quick.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yes, they don't even talk about what sandwiches they ate, which.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Was my favorite part sandwiches. We go right into the
fly eating scene. Bicycle Bob is just as iconic as
in the book.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I looked it up because I was wondering if it
was the actual Bob.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
But no, no, it wasn't. Oh god.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
But then there's the long ass baseball scene and I
know you were looking at your phone during this because I.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Was got my ass. But yeah, it's like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Is he looks hot? Though the game ends the same,
Grandma Muriel gets Peter out, but oh yeah, there's a
big difference when Peter is sulking about the game afterwards.
In the attic of all places, it's a good spot.
Big app Fell himself comes up for a heart to
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heart and tells Peter that he is a ball player.
He's a ball player. He feels it in his heart.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
It's so nice.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, it's a nice pep talk. Everyone has a bad day,
but not everyone has baseball in their heart. So Big
Appfell gives Peter the pep talk in this version, whereas
in the book he ignored Peter and gave Jimmy a
fake pep talk, So this one seems a little more
like Disneyfied it does.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I like too that after the boat accident, they didn't
cut the part where dad apologizes for being rude on
the boat, and I really appreciated that because I think
that stuck out to me on this reread.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Of like that was huge.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
How many times have anybody heard their dad apologized to
them for having a bad attitude, Like that is so
important to show, and they didn't.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I thought that was really great.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I liked that. So two pep talks for the price
of one, and then it's the wedding. You left out
(31:05):
the part where they have like Grandma's like physical training
Buzzy Senior, and that's how they fall in love. Their
courtship is explained both by playing double piano and by
her like running him around the yard.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Which is cute.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
They just you can you can see clearly where they
added extra stuff from the books, but it really makes
sense based on the characters that the book laid out,
and I really like it.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
There was notably no South Pacific Show Tunes, but I
guess the royalties might have been a little.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
They couldn't afford that. Yeah, and I think you said
this before accidentally saying that Sheila's dad was in Christmas Story.
But it's actually buzzy. She loves Grandpa, who is the
dad in Christmas Story?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Got it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, but yeah, he's.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
There, He's there. And then it's the wedding. The backyard
looks beautiful, although we don't have the cool black and
white tracksuit that we got in the book, but we
do get a lost ring and some Mitzi and Fudge spinning. Yeah,
oh my god. Okay, okay, and then it gets my
favorite part of the movie. So you are gonna ask
(32:16):
what's your top five? Like this is the number one?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Bonkers?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Do you know what I'm gonna say?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I think so, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Sheila is like singing this incredibly nasal, squawky rendition of
like I don't know, it's an Italian aria or something.
What is she singing? She's like serenading her Fudge and
Mitzi like like so serious, I would die for her
(32:52):
warbling and sincere, and she's singing her little heart out.
And then Peter and Jimmy fucking prank her with some
(33:13):
yellow food coloring and now her mouth is all yellow
and they chase each other around the yard, screaming, and
the parents are watching from the porch like business as usual.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I will say there was so much screaming in this movie,
and that maybe helped temper the yearning for suns because
I was like, on the other hand, though kids are
super loud, they are screaming more often than they're not,
so that would be the one thing I didn't like
about this movie.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
But I know that it's true to life. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, there's chat about how Peter and Sheila will probably
end up married. Interesting, and then Sheila's mom starts a
food fight.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yes, because in the nineties it was illegal to have
a children's movie that didn't involve food fighting, right, food
fighting so much?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I think this is the Nickelodeon influence.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Oh that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, the nickelodeonfication Mildren's media.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Oh boy, So there's food flying. And then there's the
whole ending part with I'll always hate you and I'll
always hate you, but it doesn't end there. I liked
how this ended. Sheila takes it a step further by
saying that when they get back to the city, Peter
has to do all these favors for her and treat
her like royalty, open her doors. Yeah, and then he's like, no, why,
(34:46):
and she says, because your grandmother threw you out at
first Base. I got it all on.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Tape, got him.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
That was a good ending.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Oh, I thought so too.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Ah, so cute. I'm so glad we watched that.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
It's interesting to think about our response to this and
then read about Judy's response to this.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yes, so Judy did an interview with January magazine, which
is a digital magazine. It's been around since the late
nineties and they have a lot of pop up ads
per capita. And this interview is with Judy about twenty
ish years ago, when she's in her sixties. So she says,
(35:38):
read the Fudge series. She goes, I promised George I
wouldn't cry. It was frustrating, emotional and frustrating because you know,
they said they needed my input desperately. So we went
out there and stayed for several months, and they wouldn't
let me anywhere near it.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
It was terrible.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I was referred to as the writer of the original material.
It was a great lesson in surviving a degrading, humiliating
experience waiting to work with and participate and having been invited,
then shoved aside. It was pretty bad. Oh my gosh,
I'm so mad about that.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I know that sucks.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Why would you do that? I mean, I listen, I
understand from a person who's trying to make the adaptation
day to day why you wouldn't want the author like
breathing down your neck while you're trying to film. I
get that, But then don't invite her or do like
(36:40):
a very like I think it is pretty standard for
ip like this to like have the author come in
for like one day and watch one scene and then
be like, hey, you want to be in the background
of the scene, here you go, which is what I
assume they probably did a little bit with the Margaret adaptation.
But just like, there is a diplomatic way to like
(37:03):
let them come in enough to feel like they're listened,
to let them weigh on stuff you genuinely have questions about,
and then send them home. Doesn't sound like they did
that here, and that's upsetting.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Months and months is a long time.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, that's that's like an expensive way to be rude, is.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I do like if she was in Croatia for months,
so like she could you know there's beaches. Sure, I
hear it's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
The article goes on.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
The interviewer asks did you hate it, meaning the adaptation,
and she goes, no, we went into it and we
said what we're going for here is the DNE Award
does not embarrass, and it does not embarrass.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
It's not embarrassing. I love the cast.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
The children were wonderful, The set direction was incredible. I
couldn't believe what they were able to build on a lot. Okay,
so they didn't go anywhere. The brilliant creative stuff was
fun in a way, and I wanted it to be
so good, and I just thought it could be so different.
And everyone is always in a hurry, you know, hurry, hurry, hurry.
So I was disappointed, but not so disappointed that I
(38:13):
wouldn't do it again. I don't know that i'd get
involved at the same level, but I would let it
happen again. And so the interviewer says, part of it
must be fun. I guess She's like, yes, it's exciting.
I like movies myself, so it's fun when the character
speaks to your lines and it works. My favorite of
any that we've done.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
We've did ourselves.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
We did a little film based on otherwise known as
She Lived the Great and that was a real mom
and pop. We got some money from an educational film
company and we did it. My son and I wrote
the screenplay very quickly based on the book. He directed
it and executive produced it, and we had wonderful kids.
It's charming and it worked, so I guess. But when
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she says it like that that her favorite adaptations are
ones that she and her son made, I understand not
wanting a person who feels like that on set with you, right,
I really do.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
When Judy signed over the rights to her book to
the people that made fudge Mania, like, is there any
kind of contractual agreement with how much she will be involved?
Like it was like it surprises me that this wouldn't
have been discussed ahead of time, and if it was
breached then she has recourse, right.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I don't totally. I think everybody's sort of contract there
is different. Some authors want to be really involved, Some
like sell off the the IP and then are are
kind of done with it. Some want like script approvals.
So you're right, I'm sure there was something very clearly
organized or or there wasn't and it was kind of
(39:56):
like a handshake, sort of give me this with the
understanding that I'm gonna let you come on set every
day and I'm gonna let you help with this, and
then they renig on that last part. So I don't
know the specifics of how this went, but bottom line,
I get why you wouldn't want that person there, but
(40:18):
it seems really rude and disrespectful to have them come
all the way out under the impression that they're gonna
help and then not let them help.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
That sucks. That's like bad management.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
So yeah, oh poor Judes. But I'm glad she didn't
hate it. I mean, it was super cute, but it
does make me curious, like what did she want? What
would she have done?
Speaker 2 (40:40):
That is interesting, I really wonder. But I hope she
feels like the Margaret adaptation kind of heals this wound
a little bit, because that seems that really does seem
like the perfect It's a great adaptation. It goes a
little bit beyond, but it seems to have had her
full blessing. So I hope that was an experience that
made her feel better about all this.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah, and I have read other interviews when Tiger Eyes
came out, and she loved Tiger Eyes. She was very
involved with Tiger Eyes and it was a beautiful, gorgeous film.
You know, her son was involved with it too, and
so I think she has been maybe this was a
learning lesson. Maybe Fudge was her you know, learn it
(41:23):
the hard way situation.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
And truly there are worst book adaptations, So I get
why the process was tough. But I agree that not
only does this fit the DNA sort of stipulation, like
it is just a good, straightforward adaptation that's true to
the heart of and the literal text of the things.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
So you know, I.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Can't feel too too bad for her, but I sympathize that.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
It would be hard.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, Dny, I do love that.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, I agree. I think that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
The last thing I have in my note is, you know,
we've all been wondering does Judy love baseball so much?
Like what what's going on with Judy and baseball? So
a little while later in this interview, she said, I
loved Moneyball. I thought that was a great Hollywood movie.
I like Baseball, but I don't know that you have
(42:19):
to like baseball like that. I thought it was really
well done.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
So so does.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
That answer our question? I don't know. So it got close, it.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Got real close.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Oh man. So that's it. Is there anything else to add? Okay,
what was your favorite part of the movie.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
My favorite part was anytime the little boy who played
Fudge spoke or anytime Naissa Nikola spoke, because I just
thought those were two really cute little kid actors. And
also I got in a fight with people in the
private Facebook group about this recently. But I will not
tolerate any anti Shila Dubman sentiment.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
In this community, nor will I put it.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
On the podcast, because I love Sheila Dubman and I
truly related to her being know it all, eating weird
foods and like singing to herself and being like, this
is a concert I'm giving to.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
You is a concert. Yeah, it is high time we
get into some bad teenagers. So yeah, as a reminder,
we're reading Beginner's Love by Norma Kleinax. So get your books,
your dirty, dirty books.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
We'll see you next time.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Bye bye bye er three
Hi, I'm Jodie and I'm Mollie and you're listening to
the Bloom Saloon.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's a G D Bloom book Club.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Mollie, we should confess that we are huge liars. We
told everybody last episode that we were done with fudge,
like Fudge of Mania was over, over over over.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
But oopsies, gotcha one more little one for the road.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, we couldn't help ourselves because we realized we had
forgotten to watch the fudge Mania TV movie that came
out in nineteen ninety five. So we're here to have
a little chat about that.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, we're trying to cram as much fudge content in
to you as humanly possible. We're fudge packing if you will.
Oh god, bit, that's the kind of class I bring
to this podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So yeah, let's fudge pack it away. Oh yiks.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
But before we get into all that, let's check in
what was the most Judy Bloom thing that happened to
you this week? Aka the Judy Minuti where you take
one minute or less to tell us about a Judy
Bloom aspect of your life.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
A few days ago, I found myself eating cottage cheese
and watching the pilot episode of Knots Landing.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Huh, that is so Judy bloom Co.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Have you ever seen Knots Landing.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
No, it's a soap opera from like the seventies.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Right, Yeah, it's basically it started as a spinoff from Dallas.
So it's Jr's And I never watched Dallas when it
was on, but I know who jr Is shot him.
It's one of the Ewings's family members, like a cousin
or something, and his wife and then they go to
(02:16):
Knots Landing, which is this idyllic cul de sac somewhere
in California. And so it's so dramatic and so nineteen seventies,
and I loved it, well.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Especially the combo of recreational cottage cheese and not slanting.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
God, I love cottage cheese. And you know why I
got into cottage cheese.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Tell me it's because of Wifey Cheese built No, I
have never.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Had it before. And then when we were reading Wifey,
al was like, oh my god, cottage cheese is so good,
and I was like ew ew ew And then I
tried it and I have never looked at wow. Yeah,
what about your jady Manudi?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, I have been wearing old bras for too long.
They're like melting off of me like a Salvador dully painting.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh they're so bad.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So I finally like went on a journey to get
a new I want. The goal was a new everyday bra,
and then like a strapless kind of push up e
bra for like sun dresses and stuff. And so I
re bought a bra that I love, shout out, honeylove.
They make great bras, and I get their crossover bra
and I really like it. So I bought an old
(03:36):
reliable and then I bought a strapless bra that my
friend said she liked. But then I tried on that
strapless bra and it was like cutting off my circulation.
So I don't know what happened, if is a bad
bra or not, but I'm still on the hunt. So
if you are listening and you love your strapless bra,
give me a call, because if no one intervenes, I'm
gonna give Kim Kardashian money and try and buy a
(03:57):
Skims one. So call call to save a life, I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
But it is like.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Amazing the difference wearing a bra that fits works, except
for this one that I wore today was like a
little tight, and I can't tell if it's like new
bra tight or like bad tight. I don't know, but
I think the process of buying a bra, the process
of measuring yourself for a bra and then feeling weird
in said bra.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Is very judy on my question. My first question was
did you get measured?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
No, I should have.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I just did it myself, and I even that took
several tries at a friend's house, and.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
So maybe I fucked up.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
But then it seems rude to go to a place
and get measured and then not buy one of their bad.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Well what else are they doing? Just waiting with their
tape measures? They just want anyone to talk to, So
you're doing them a favor.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Oh, maybe I have to do that, because I do
slightly get a whiff of I fucked this process up,
so damn it.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Oh. And so during COVID, a couple of friends and
I decided to home in on our actual bra sizes,
and we did a ton of research, and most people
are measuring wrong. Like I always thought I was a
thirty four, No, thirty four B, but it turns out
(05:24):
I am a thirty six A and they're like sister sizes.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, I'm like, oh, wide ripcage okay.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
But interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, and so there are there are sister sizes, like
you can substitute one for another, but if you want
the perfect fit, you should really get the actual size.
That's all I know.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
This is making a lot of sense. Okay, I actually
think I need to go back to the forty damn it.
I thought I had this sorted.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You did say this was a journey, so it is.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Now he can move into the discussion of the fudge
Mania movie.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yay.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I thought this was an adorable little movie. It was
an ABC Family movie that came out in nineteen ninety five.
It also served as the pilot for the Fudge TV series,
which aired on Saturday mornings and went for two seasons.
Wow a lot of episodes.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The first season was based off the book storylines. I
think they were a little bit out of order from
like the episode titles I read, but he still rooted
in the novels. And then the second season just went rogue. Wow,
who knows what they get up to in season two.
I kind of want to watch me too. Question for you, Mollie,
(07:06):
this is kind of a quiz and for the bluemheads,
do you have any guesses on how fudge Mania and
the movie Porkys might be related in this world?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I do because I looked it up.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Damn it, damn it, damn it.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's a bad quiz. But yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Bob Clark, who wrote and directed Porkis and also a
movie I was more familiar with, which is Baby Geniuses,
also wrote and directed the fudge Mania.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Series Yes, and a Christmas Story.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yes, which makes sense because there's some actor cross over there.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Oh so much and Brady Bunch, but I'll get there.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Oh, it keeps going, it keeps crossing over.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, Bob was prolific. He also was super influential back
in the seventies for horror slasher movies. Oo talk trajectory.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
What a varied career good for him.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah. So the first thing I noticed was eve Plum
Jan Brady. She is Peter's mom.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
In typical Jan Brady fashion. Did not recognize that's who
that was. Oh really, I was like, this new young
actor on the scene is so good.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Let me look it up. What else has she done?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Like?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Oh, every Brady thing ever? But she's terrific in.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
This Oh, she's great. She's the perfect mom.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I wrote in my notes that I don't have but
I remember this is I wrote, Wow, the image reparations
this has done on mom incredible. I never thought I
would love Missus Hatcher, but in this adaptation, I definitely do.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You're so right. Florence Henderson is Grandma Muriel. Incredible. As
soon as we got into the opening scene, I just
got a sense of like Brady Bunch like pacing music,
Like there's just something very Brady about it all. And
(09:10):
then it turns out that Bob also directed The Voice
of Christmas, which is the iconic Brady Bunch episode, or
maybe it was a TV movie where Carol gets laryngitis
Do you remember that one?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
And she can't sing in her church Christmas concert, and
so Cindy asks a mall Santa for a miracle so
that her mom will get her voice back.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Wow, And Bob Clark directed that, Like, what the hell?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Oh, my gosh, it's who you know?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I guess, well.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
My six, what's your name, Cindy Brady My, but you
are a pretty little girl. What toy would you like
to have Santa bring you?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Oh? I am wanting me toys.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
No toys, You must want something for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I do.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
I want my mommy to get her voice back. Your
mommy's voice back, mommy's Scott very jitis got real bad.
Well that is a shame. And just to sing at
church on Christmas. Well, Cindy, I don't think I can. Oh,
please senate, it's all I want for Christmas. Oh, you
(10:23):
certainly are a sweet, unselfish little girl. I'm sure your
mommy will get her voice back.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Oh, Saint Senna, gotty dotty, what are you so excited about?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Say's gonna give mommy your voice back for Christmas. He's
what you promise mommy can sing on Christmas morning?
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Oh honey, how could he do that? He's not a doctor.
He's better than a doctor. He's Santa Cross.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
M hmmm.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Sing sing at this hour. I can't even talk.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I just did.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Oh my, I'm not dreaming.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I'm awake.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
I can talk singing.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oh, calm, faceful, joyful, trial fund calm col I do
have a breakdown of all the cast members that I
could link to Bob Clarke either calling in some favors
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or my theory is that they have some serious Blackmail
because it's like the crossover is a little heavy, or.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
This is like his version of Adam Sandler always putting
the same people in all of his.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Projects totally, or like a Christopher guest thing. Yeah, Sheila's
dad was in a Christmas Story when in Rome was
from Porky's two. The actor who played big A was
a very seasoned actor, but also in Porky's the original Porky's.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
They've remade Porky's.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Oh there was like a Porky's two, three, four, like seventeen.
It went on and on.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I only saw the one. My goodness, ooh ooh.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Bicycle Bob was the school principal in Twin Peaks. I
didn't recognize him from that, but I know love Twin Peaks.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I love Twin Peaks too.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
The kid who plays Peter has been a ton of
other stuff since, but most notably to me, a few
of the Clerks and Jay and Silent Bob movies.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
That's so cool. I love Kevin Smith.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Same and then lastly Jimmy Fargo. I thought he was
so cute. I love this little boy. He was in
the original Parenthood movie Whoa. I don't know if you
remember he was the kid named cool.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Oh yes, this is like the son of someone, right, Yeah,
he's like legitimate son exactly. Well, how dare you leave
out the most important credit, which is that the little
boy who plays Fudge who deserves an Emmy by the way,
Uh huh, he plays Frederick in Fraser, which is Fraser's
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son that you'd see in like one and a half episodes. Oh,
check your privilege. He's in Fraser.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Oh how well. I forgive myself for leaving that out.
I didn't know that. That's so funny. I can see
it though. Come on, wait, I didn't know Fraser had
a son.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, Fraser and Lilith have a son named Frederick, who
is like scene rarely never like less than Rachel and
Ross's kid on Friends. Yeah, Fraser very negligent father and
we never talk about that.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I also want to mention that Tom j Oh gosh,
this is a hard name to pronounce. His last name
is spelled A S T L E. So my mouth
wants to say Astell, but that sounds suggestive. So Tom j.
Astell also wrote for this this pilot, and he wrote
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for the Clueish TV series and also this Disney TV
series that I forget about every few years and then
it comes back to me like a fever dream called
Adventures in Wonderland.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Did you ever watch this?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It do yourself a nightmare, favor look up. Adventures in
Wonderland is very creepy and very of its time. So
just wear the shout out in case anybody remembered that.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And that's a Disney one too.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
It's a Disney one. It's a live action like Alice
in Wonderland eighties show. There is rollerblading, there is adults
in fur suits, there's everything you could want from a fuel. Yeah,
it was a weekly show.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Sounds amazing. So yeah, I think we're in agreement, Molly.
We love this little movie.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, and I think I cut you off when you
were saying this earlier, but you can find it on YouTube.
In its entirety.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It starts with a fun little tour of New York
with a monologue from Peter. It's very quirky. I like
the tone. It's just like he does a ton of that,
like narration and shrugging right out the camera. Fudge is
introduced with a very direct nod to the shining.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
With the shining scene and then the Jaws music behind
it is very funny.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Dude. I wanted to note that Turtle is a Saint Bernard.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I think, which makes sense because I think this Tom
j Assel also wrote for Beethoven too. I see, No,
that's wrong, it's just oh sorry, my note said it
came out. Beethoven comes out after this. But I feel
like between this and the sand Lot, Saint Bernard's were
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very in the zeitgeist in this time period.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
What if it's the same Saint Bernard. There can be
that many Saint Bernard actors.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Oh, I would love that.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
We'll have to look. I didn't see a dog credit
on IMDb, but I can do some searching.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, it kind of definitively says that Turtle is a
Saint Bernard and Jake, who we see later is a
Jack Russell, and this sounds very cute.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, let's see. So overall, this movie was so, so, so,
so true to the book. I mean, some of it
was word for word, which none of us need that,
but it really works here and I totally appreciated it.
Like so many scenes played out exactly as I pictured.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, I think it's like what we were talking about
with Forever is. I think there are like two distinct
ways you can approach an adaptation. You can be super
true and super faithful, or you can sort of take
the idea, the thesis of it and put it in
a different spot. And this is definitely in the first
camp of like let's be book perfect, let's shade in
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some parts that we didn't hear about in the book,
or add some more stuff for color, but mostly it
is like a direct line adaptation, yes, which is fun.
And I guess that makes sense too, is because if
little kids were coming into this from reading the book.
I don't know about you, but I was at my
most pedantic and book adhering when I was the age
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for this show. Like I remember walking out of the
first Harry Potter movie being like, yeah, well, I mean
that was good, but they they said that Hagrid brought
the dragon from a Greek man, but in the book
it does Shay, it's an Irish guy show me. I
don't think there's adaptations for shit. So I think if
you're catering to that audience or people who are really
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nostalgic about it from their childhoods, they're gonna want it
let her perfect.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Great point, It's so true. I also had a moment
where I wrote to Anna Martin because there was a
like anachronism in one of her books and I had
to point it out.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Oh I love this.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Did she write back, no, wow, well maybe one day.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Oh one note about their road trip to Maine. This
was such a relief. Peter makes it a point to
say that it's been four hours since their last stop,
so they did get to p Molly.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Thank god they're.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Not driving nine hours straight. But I have a question
for you about Maine. Was this filmed in Maine? It
looks like it was.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Oh I sure, hope.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
So I feel like, knowing what we know about movie production,
this was probably like either Canada or like Croatia.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
It can be any of.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Those, but it looked very many, at least to me
who's never been to Maine.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It looked like perfectly many to me, So good job Croatia.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I got up to this point and then I was like,
wait a second, there's no Libby.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Well not just that they're killing everyone's sister, because there's
no TUTSI.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I know, I didn't. I didn't notice Tisy was missing until.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
The very end.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, but they say Libby's at camp for the summer,
which totally makes sense. Libby doesn't play a bigger part
in this book. Tutsie kind of does, but only with
another character who they cut, which is mister Yeah, so transient.
He couldn't even be in the movie.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Nitzi is very cute but adorable. I gotta say, she's
not quite the actor fudges.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And again, this young man who is playing Fudge genius
just honestly, this is my citizen Kane. He's fabulous, he's
such he's so good that it got me thinking, like, damn,
do I want a son?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
And I don't think I do.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
But this whole this movie, the fudge Mania movie, was
Son propaganda.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
This was made by Big Son to make you reproduce is.
They were so frickin' cute, the lot of them. I'm
son pilled.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I did read one film critic review that uh criticized
the Fudge actor's lack of nunciation.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
He's a oh well, now listen, did that come into it? Yes,
there is one scene. I wrote down the timestamp in
my notes. I don't but I think it was like
fourteen minutes. In it's when they're first in the bedroom
at the main house and Peter's talking to himself or
something Fudge Joes Peter.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Fully inaudible.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I watched it three different times trying to figure out
what the fuck he was saying, and it was pure gobbledegook.
But to me, I don't think that takes anything away.
I think, have you talked to a baby recently? They
don't be enunciating, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I didn't expect him to have the monster voice that
we do, but this is kind of second best to that.
You need a little.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
It was so good.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
So to that reviewer, I say, leave my boy alone.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
My boy, I wonder what he's up to now.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Well, not acting because he doesn't have an acting credit
after being a little kid, I don't think. So, Yeah,
wherever you are, I hope you're doing well.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Should we go find him for you?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
He's like definitely older than.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
You, But yeah, I don't think. I don't think that'll work.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
But you can't make him your son.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
No, listen, I'd love to make an older man my son,
but I don't think it's in the cards.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Okay, missus. Tubman is a true nut job, Like what
is going on with her.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
No, I say, justice from missus Tubban. How dare these
degenerates not appreciate her contribution to this trip?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Well, okay, her cloking is so underappreciated. I thought that
they were all so rude about it. But there was
one scene where she's like parking toy cars in little
fake parking lots. Yes, and I'm just like, so that
was such a random scene to add because that was
not in the book, and like, if you're going to
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add things in, that was very weird.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Listen, it's extremely weird. Did I enjoy it? Absolutely? Do
I think she did anything wrong?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
No? I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
The whole thing is they're trying to illustrate, like how
why she is the way that she is, and like
have more adult tension between the adults, and so they
make Missus Tubman to be this like super anal, like
clearing the plates before you're done eating them, parking the
cars in this little pretend parking lot, making these crazy
gourmet dishes, and you're supposed to the way this is written,
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you're supposed to be like, look at the crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Woman, how dare she?
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I think she's underappreciated. I think everybody better get in line.
I can't believe you're taking this tact because to me,
she seems extremely older.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Sibling coach.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I would like to ask you, though, how old were
you when you ate your first artichoke? Because that's a
pivotal scene in this where she's making the kids eat
artichokes and they're like, yeah, that is a great question.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I was probably like in my twenties before I had
an art to choke. Wait, do you remember your first artichoke?
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I feel like I was chopping down on artichokes when
I was like she was age or younger, because I
think maybe my mom has a touch of the Missus Tubman,
I guess in terms of experimenting with food and stuff.
But artichokes were like my favorite food's y yumm.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Wait, so did you do like the fresh art to choke,
like peel it off and then like rip it off
with your teeth kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
It was just, you know, I think the way I
think Missus Tubman's fatal flaw is in marketing. And they
kind of point this out when she was describing the
Fois gras. If Missus Tubman had just been.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Like, yo, kids, you like butter? You like mayonnaise.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
This is like an edible spoon for butter and mayonnaise,
go nuts. Like that's what an art choke is? Come
on pilot it.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Wow, Mollie marketing genius. You're giving the Olay people are
run for their money. What what kind of name could
you make out of? Like the art of choke acronym
like landolin is to olay as art to choke is
too blank?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Oh no, can.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
What kind of anagram choking?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
The art of choking?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Great, we got fudge packing the art of choking?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
What comes next? I don't know. I'll have to think
about that one.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, you can get back to me.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
To say nothing of Sheila. I think Sheila is adorable
and very cute. Yes, perfect, loved her and that oh
that actress's name.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Let me look it up so I get it. Her
name is the most beautiful name ever committed to film.
And that actress's name is Noresa Nikola.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
It is beautiful and it sounds so oh oh she
was born in Alameda County neighbors like right here? Uh?
One exciting thing was they use the real tell me
a Mitzi book?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Did they?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I must have looked away right as they did that.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
That's so cool, just like you looked away during the
blowjob in the movie theater. Come on, Mollie, you need
to be.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Watching with both eyes. You know what they call that
in TV? When you watch. There's a sort of thrust
in TV writing now from corporate to say, you have
to make a TV show that you can watch while
you also scroll your phone. Uh, and they call that
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second screen friendly. So you should have all the exposition
is spoken so everybody can like hear it. They don't
have to look at it. You shouldn't have like sight gags.
So fudge Mania not second But I'm just.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
The most awful thing I've ever heard, Mollie, isn't it disgusting?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I paid it, but I'm I'm doing I'm out here,
don't I'm out here putting my eyeballs on two places
at once, So I'm part of the problem.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, but oh, that's so cute.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
They use the real They do.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Use the real. Tell me I'm at seabook. And then
my next note is Isabelle is totally hot.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Uh, babe, so pretty? And I think what I like
about this show is that you can tell that they're
like putting an eye towards diversity, like Jimmy Fargo is black,
and then whoever plays Isabelle is clearly an actress of color.
Like they're really doing a good job of, you know,
both giving people jobs and then like adding these people
into the story.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
It's very cool.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, yeah, it was kind of like it's the nineties, guys,
let's get with it.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Get with it.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Okay, Sorry, back to the Fois gra though. My next
note is about how you know, Sheila gives a lesson
about how Foie Gras is made, and everybody's laughing like maniacs,
and I'm on Sheila's side. I'm like, you tell them.
But then I don't think that was the lesson the
you know the writers had in mind, because Fudge does
his little good night goose cuts.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, what I love about that scene is is Mom
as she sees Sheila winding up to go, the mom
goes like, oh, Sheila, she she knows that's the death
knell of it. It's like, if you just didn't say anything.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Everybody would have been mine.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I think Eave Plumb plays such a good, like well
meaning but like tired mom.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, it's so good. Yeah, we have a very quick
boat scene it's it's too quick.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yes, they don't even talk about what sandwiches they ate, which.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Was my favorite part sandwiches. We go right into the
fly eating scene. Bicycle Bob is just as iconic as
in the book.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I looked it up because I was wondering if it
was the actual Bob.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
But no, no, it wasn't. Oh god.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
But then there's the long ass baseball scene and I
know you were looking at your phone during this because I.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Was got my ass. But yeah, it's like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Is he looks hot? Though the game ends the same,
Grandma Muriel gets Peter out, but oh yeah, there's a
big difference when Peter is sulking about the game afterwards.
In the attic of all places, it's a good spot.
Big app Fell himself comes up for a heart to
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heart and tells Peter that he is a ball player.
He's a ball player. He feels it in his heart.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
It's so nice.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, it's a nice pep talk. Everyone has a bad day,
but not everyone has baseball in their heart. So Big
Appfell gives Peter the pep talk in this version, whereas
in the book he ignored Peter and gave Jimmy a
fake pep talk, So this one seems a little more
like Disneyfied it does.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I like too that after the boat accident, they didn't
cut the part where dad apologizes for being rude on
the boat, and I really appreciated that because I think
that stuck out to me on this reread.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Of like that was huge.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
How many times have anybody heard their dad apologized to
them for having a bad attitude, Like that is so
important to show, and they didn't.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I thought that was really great.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I liked that. So two pep talks for the price
of one, and then it's the wedding. You left out
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the part where they have like Grandma's like physical training
Buzzy Senior, and that's how they fall in love. Their
courtship is explained both by playing double piano and by
her like running him around the yard.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Which is cute.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
They just you can you can see clearly where they
added extra stuff from the books, but it really makes
sense based on the characters that the book laid out,
and I really like it.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
There was notably no South Pacific Show Tunes, but I
guess the royalties might have been a little.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
They couldn't afford that. Yeah, and I think you said
this before accidentally saying that Sheila's dad was in Christmas Story.
But it's actually buzzy. She loves Grandpa, who is the
dad in Christmas Story?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Got it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, but yeah, he's.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
There, He's there. And then it's the wedding. The backyard
looks beautiful, although we don't have the cool black and
white tracksuit that we got in the book, but we
do get a lost ring and some Mitzi and Fudge spinning. Yeah,
oh my god. Okay, okay, and then it gets my
favorite part of the movie. So you are gonna ask
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what's your top five? Like this is the number one?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Bonkers?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Do you know what I'm gonna say?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I think so, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Sheila is like singing this incredibly nasal, squawky rendition of
like I don't know, it's an Italian aria or something.
What is she singing? She's like serenading her Fudge and
Mitzi like like so serious, I would die for her
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warbling and sincere, and she's singing her little heart out.
And then Peter and Jimmy fucking prank her with some
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yellow food coloring and now her mouth is all yellow
and they chase each other around the yard, screaming, and
the parents are watching from the porch like business as usual.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I will say there was so much screaming in this movie,
and that maybe helped temper the yearning for suns because
I was like, on the other hand, though kids are
super loud, they are screaming more often than they're not,
so that would be the one thing I didn't like
about this movie.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
But I know that it's true to life. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, there's chat about how Peter and Sheila will probably
end up married. Interesting, and then Sheila's mom starts a
food fight.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yes, because in the nineties it was illegal to have
a children's movie that didn't involve food fighting, right, food
fighting so much?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I think this is the Nickelodeon influence.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Oh that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, the nickelodeonfication Mildren's media.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Oh boy, So there's food flying. And then there's the
whole ending part with I'll always hate you and I'll
always hate you, but it doesn't end there. I liked
how this ended. Sheila takes it a step further by
saying that when they get back to the city, Peter
has to do all these favors for her and treat
her like royalty, open her doors. Yeah, and then he's like, no, why,
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and she says, because your grandmother threw you out at
first Base. I got it all on.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Tape, got him.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
That was a good ending.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Oh, I thought so too.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Ah, so cute. I'm so glad we watched that.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
It's interesting to think about our response to this and
then read about Judy's response to this.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yes, so Judy did an interview with January magazine, which
is a digital magazine. It's been around since the late
nineties and they have a lot of pop up ads
per capita. And this interview is with Judy about twenty
ish years ago, when she's in her sixties. So she says,
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read the Fudge series. She goes, I promised George I
wouldn't cry. It was frustrating, emotional and frustrating because you know,
they said they needed my input desperately. So we went
out there and stayed for several months, and they wouldn't
let me anywhere near it.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
It was terrible.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I was referred to as the writer of the original material.
It was a great lesson in surviving a degrading, humiliating
experience waiting to work with and participate and having been invited,
then shoved aside. It was pretty bad. Oh my gosh,
I'm so mad about that.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I know that sucks.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Why would you do that? I mean, I listen, I
understand from a person who's trying to make the adaptation
day to day why you wouldn't want the author like
breathing down your neck while you're trying to film. I
get that, But then don't invite her or do like
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a very like I think it is pretty standard for
ip like this to like have the author come in
for like one day and watch one scene and then
be like, hey, you want to be in the background
of the scene, here you go, which is what I
assume they probably did a little bit with the Margaret adaptation.
But just like, there is a diplomatic way to like
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let them come in enough to feel like they're listened,
to let them weigh on stuff you genuinely have questions about,
and then send them home. Doesn't sound like they did
that here, and that's upsetting.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Months and months is a long time.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, that's that's like an expensive way to be rude, is.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I do like if she was in Croatia for months,
so like she could you know there's beaches. Sure, I
hear it's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
The article goes on.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
The interviewer asks did you hate it, meaning the adaptation,
and she goes, no, we went into it and we
said what we're going for here is the DNE Award
does not embarrass, and it does not embarrass.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
It's not embarrassing. I love the cast.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
The children were wonderful, The set direction was incredible. I
couldn't believe what they were able to build on a lot. Okay,
so they didn't go anywhere. The brilliant creative stuff was
fun in a way, and I wanted it to be
so good, and I just thought it could be so different.
And everyone is always in a hurry, you know, hurry, hurry, hurry.
So I was disappointed, but not so disappointed that I
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wouldn't do it again. I don't know that i'd get
involved at the same level, but I would let it
happen again. And so the interviewer says, part of it
must be fun. I guess She's like, yes, it's exciting.
I like movies myself, so it's fun when the character
speaks to your lines and it works. My favorite of
any that we've done.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
We've did ourselves.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
We did a little film based on otherwise known as
She Lived the Great and that was a real mom
and pop. We got some money from an educational film
company and we did it. My son and I wrote
the screenplay very quickly based on the book. He directed
it and executive produced it, and we had wonderful kids.
It's charming and it worked, so I guess. But when
(38:57):
she says it like that that her favorite adaptations are
ones that she and her son made, I understand not
wanting a person who feels like that on set with you, right,
I really do.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
When Judy signed over the rights to her book to
the people that made fudge Mania, like, is there any
kind of contractual agreement with how much she will be involved?
Like it was like it surprises me that this wouldn't
have been discussed ahead of time, and if it was
breached then she has recourse, right.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I don't totally. I think everybody's sort of contract there
is different. Some authors want to be really involved, Some
like sell off the the IP and then are are
kind of done with it. Some want like script approvals.
So you're right, I'm sure there was something very clearly
organized or or there wasn't and it was kind of
(39:56):
like a handshake, sort of give me this with the
understanding that I'm gonna let you come on set every
day and I'm gonna let you help with this, and
then they renig on that last part. So I don't
know the specifics of how this went, but bottom line,
I get why you wouldn't want that person there, but
(40:18):
it seems really rude and disrespectful to have them come
all the way out under the impression that they're gonna
help and then not let them help.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
That sucks. That's like bad management.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
So yeah, oh poor Judes. But I'm glad she didn't
hate it. I mean, it was super cute, but it
does make me curious, like what did she want? What
would she have done?
Speaker 2 (40:40):
That is interesting, I really wonder. But I hope she
feels like the Margaret adaptation kind of heals this wound
a little bit, because that seems that really does seem
like the perfect It's a great adaptation. It goes a
little bit beyond, but it seems to have had her
full blessing. So I hope that was an experience that
made her feel better about all this.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah, and I have read other interviews when Tiger Eyes
came out, and she loved Tiger Eyes. She was very
involved with Tiger Eyes and it was a beautiful, gorgeous film.
You know, her son was involved with it too, and
so I think she has been maybe this was a
learning lesson. Maybe Fudge was her you know, learn it
(41:23):
the hard way situation.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
And truly there are worst book adaptations, So I get
why the process was tough. But I agree that not
only does this fit the DNA sort of stipulation, like
it is just a good, straightforward adaptation that's true to
the heart of and the literal text of the things.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
So you know, I.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Can't feel too too bad for her, but I sympathize that.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
It would be hard.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, Dny, I do love that.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, I agree. I think that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
The last thing I have in my note is, you know,
we've all been wondering does Judy love baseball so much?
Like what what's going on with Judy and baseball? So
a little while later in this interview, she said, I
loved Moneyball. I thought that was a great Hollywood movie.
I like Baseball, but I don't know that you have
(42:19):
to like baseball like that. I thought it was really
well done.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
So so does.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
That answer our question? I don't know. So it got close, it.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Got real close.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Oh man. So that's it. Is there anything else to add? Okay,
what was your favorite part of the movie.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
My favorite part was anytime the little boy who played
Fudge spoke or anytime Naissa Nikola spoke, because I just
thought those were two really cute little kid actors. And
also I got in a fight with people in the
private Facebook group about this recently. But I will not
tolerate any anti Shila Dubman sentiment.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
In this community, nor will I put it.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
On the podcast, because I love Sheila Dubman and I
truly related to her being know it all, eating weird
foods and like singing to herself and being like, this
is a concert I'm giving to.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
You is a concert. Yeah, it is high time we
get into some bad teenagers. So yeah, as a reminder,
we're reading Beginner's Love by Norma Kleinax. So get your books,
your dirty, dirty books.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
We'll see you next time.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Bye bye bye er three
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