Anime Attack on Movies or Late Night TV in Limbo

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What I really wanted to cover to start off the
program tonight was animate because I did see the Dinas
Player movie, which was to a full house in the
RPX at my Real Theater. But then we had the
Jimmy Kimmel thing pop up on Monday through Wednesday, and
now we're at the point where this has become a
pretty big story and it's another crux in the area

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of late night television. But look, I don't care about
the political part. And as for Jimmy Kimmel, he shouldn't
be losing a show. It doesn't make a difference at all. Anyway.
It's just a matter of time before all these late
night shows go by the wayside because network television can't
afford to keep these shows at eleven thirty at night.

(01:10):
It just doesn't work for all of them. Maybe twenty
years ago, but look, we used to have all those
different shows that were on late night. But social media
that's changed everything, you know, and then also cable television
has also changed a lot. And what's funny. I remember
thinking about all the late night shows that used to
be around, even after our senior left, and you still

(01:30):
had Lemon and Leno, you had Vibe, you had kenn
every Wayans, you did Magic Johnson. I mean, you got
some people come out there to do late night shows
and they tried John Sally. It was funny. But you know,
that kind of thing is done. Let's just be honest
with each other in the media. This is one area

(01:52):
of traditional media that's going the way. The soap opera. Okay,
game shows not so popular on network television or for
people to watch on televisions in general. When you're thinking
about soap oppers, those are all gone. You only have
a handful left used to what was it, roughly ten
soap operas were on throughout the daytime daytimes, a different lineup.

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And even on top of that, most of your local
stations aren't even running daytime talk shows. What talk shows
are out there? Tammeron Hall, Jennifer Hudson. I don't know
if there's that much of an audience for that. There's
no more Drew barrymore Right and Kelly Clarkson. I can't
think of who else is out there. There's no Rachelry
out there. Nobody else is replaced. There's not a lot

(02:37):
of talk shows out there. That kind of format's not
on television. It's on YouTube, it's on Spotify and Apple podcasts.
The podcast form has taken away from a lot of
different programming options. And on top of that, late night
television is just not a thing anymore. Remember we've talked
about the fact that celebrities don't go and do the

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normal rounds of just the media scrums, right or the junkets,
or go on late night TV. They're not doing that anymore.
They're going on other programs because that's what they're doing.
They're going on podcasts or going on to the programs
just think themselves out there. You know, they go on
hot ones, they go on you know, the one that

(03:23):
has Kevin Hart and Ice bath right, those kind of shows.
We don't have late night talk shows that really matter anymore.
I mean, the one thing that's still lets on late
night is Saturday Night Lives, which is amazing that has
held up because there's not much much comedy out there,
and this is one of the last bashes of comedy
that has left. So I can appreciate that part. But

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late night TV it costs too much money. And let's
be honest as well, when you think about what David
Letterman used to build a command for doing the Late Show,
I mean the fact that the Geese Stephen Colbert as
much as they did for a show that's not even
come close to what David Letterman was. And we don't

(04:11):
need to go and compare to Johnny Carson. He was
one of the best. Okay, there's no way to go
and compare to him. Let's just go to Colin O'Brien
when he hosted The Tonight Show and the step that has
been taken down when Jimmy Fallon took over. It's just
the way it is. And the thing is just like
any show on network television. Look, you're gonna be susceptible

(04:37):
to the SEC rules. But if it's not the SEC
rules because they've been always been very laxed for a
number of years, Like was the last time you heard
anybody getting fined for any kind of obscene, vulgar language,
anything that was insensitive. Never the SEC doesn't do anything.
So now that as an SEC commissioner wants to go
and start talking. But it was all talk because before

(04:59):
anything else happened. It's the way it's always been done.
When that we're television, listen, when you have a show
that is controversial and affiliate stations are ready to go
ahead and pull back on a show because of bad
ratings or it's not benefiting what people are watching. Okay,

(05:20):
when a show is doing bad or there's something offensive
about it, then you have shows that will go off
the air. Listen. I can give you shows of different
examples of TV shows that came on and you know
there were chastised and there were affiliates that want to
carry the shows. I think of soap, I think of

(05:42):
the Monkeys initially affiliates that want to carry that show,
the TV show the Monkeys, And then you think about
I think a peak Lady and Jeff Right. When it's
bad ratings, Hey, affiliates don't want to carry the show.
When past AJ had a late night show and it
was doing bad and other CBS affiliated stations wanted to
get out of it. There's a lot of times where

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you have other shows that are on supposed to be
gonna be on network TV and they don't get picked
up by affiliates or they go to some secondary outlet
because sometimes the affiliates have a lot of power. For
ABC and Disney, they can't afford to have the affiliates
come under fire with them. This is something that's not

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been talked about at all, but Berkshire Hathaway. Yeah, the
company that Warren Buffett owns. You didn't know this, They
actually did have one television station that they own right now,
WPLG Channel ten in Miami, and a couple of months

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ago PLG dropped this affiliation with ABC because it was
time for negotiation and the station had what fifty seven
some odd years as an ABC affiliate in Miami, Florida.
Because of the fact that they did not want to
go ahead and spend the exhorbit amount of money of
increases that ABC Network was asking the affiliate to go

(07:10):
ahead and pay, they said no, they declined, and they
could not negotiate on a deal. So Channel ten in
Miami dropped their ABC affiliation. They're gonna go with local programming.
They're gonna go with their local news outfit, and they're
gonna run more hours of it in place of the
network programming because they're gonna make more money on local

(07:32):
news than they can. And the other thing was that
the Berkshire Hathaway folks did not want to go ahead
and have to lay off any workers as a result,
because they wanted to go ahead and be faithful to
the news team, to the news division, their local news programming,
which has been making good money for them. So they
one to go and say, hey, you know what, we
don't need an ABC anymore because of how much of

(07:55):
that programming is actually worthwhile for them. I mean, we're
talking about in the morning, they're not worried about Good
Morning America. They could run news. They're not worried about
the view. They're not worried about General Hospital or another
Good Morning America or Get Afternoon in America. They don't
care about any of that. They're not worried about what
the ABC network is offering in prime time or the

(08:17):
sports offerings. Not worried about it. And then what happens
is that Sunbeam Communications, which owns WSV and Channel seven,
took over the affiliation. But obviously because it's a new affiliate,
they got a better deal. And so now Channel seven
is carrying the ABC network on their secondary HD channel

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and on Channel eighteen, which is a low power UHF channel.
And you know, there's an able on cable station, so
people can still watch ABC if they're watching on cable.
I don't know how well it does when you're trying
to watch in Miami ABC on your rabbity years, but
you can. But because of the exorbitant amount of money

(09:00):
that the affiliates have to go and pay out, they
do not want to worry about shows that are underperforming,
and they don't want they don't want to worry about
shows that are disruptive that are causing prompts. And yes,
the leadership of next Star and Sinclair there probably are
more conservative than they are liberal or any other sense.

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But listener complaints came to these stations, some of them
are small market stations.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Social media amplified this message. Listen, he only gets a
million and a half years Jimmy Kimmel compared to Colbert, who
gets more of an audience. So they get what Colbert
gets two million viewers average per night, and then Jimmy
Follon gets one point one million viewers. The last check
I saw, But with Jimmy Kimmel, I mean, he was
just in his own little ground. I'm actually surprised that,

(09:50):
you know, if anybody was watching it live or catching
it one of those brand new there wasn't that many
people that were watching television at that time of night
that would not want to be listening to him or
watching him for what he wants to say, especially his monologue,
because if you're in a political persuasion, you don't watch

(10:10):
his show. You don't care unless you want to torture
yourself because you want to hear somebody that you know
talks about things and people you don't that you like it,
they don't like I don't think anybody does that too much.
So now you're the point where there are watch media
watchdogs out there, Okay, on both sides of the political aisle.

(10:30):
Media watchdogs came out on social media hate. They are
willing to go. You know, this is the part where
social media can be also very much the docs in culture,
right or cancel culture in a way. Yeah, sure, because
they were waiting to find something on somebody, especially now
after what happened with Charlie Kirk. Everybody wants to go ahead,
and there's like a fever pitch of like if anybody
has says something and people get the chance to go

(10:54):
ahead and out that person for what they said, they're
gonna do it. Now. I'll say this on either side,
if you're seeing something offensive or of scene or anything
that's just you know, a violent rhetoric or language, and
you know there is something about the stature, how big

(11:16):
a megaphone that you have, there is something be said about,
like understanding why those people are going to get punished
for what happens to them. For me, it's not my fight. Okay.
I am a free speech advacant. That's what my thing
is that this isn't a free speech issue. Okay. Jimmy Kimmel,

(11:38):
his network is licensing to all these different network affiliates
this show. It's on public airways. At the end of
the day, these are public airways. So whatever he says,
he's susceptible to it. He has to be held on
grounds of language of content. And that's anybody else that's

(11:59):
on network TV. If he was online, doesn't matter, if
it was on cable doesn't matter. But it's network TV.
So he's just in a place where that kind of
stuff happens now. I mean, he wants to go and
stick with the fact that all his content is going
to be on that show at the time. And what

(12:20):
could have actually been done as well, you know, if
the feelers were gonna be upset, could have come back
and could have come back with some kind of a
mena kulpa and bring things back to full circle. And
then he gets probably has still continued to do the
kind of stuff he always does. But again, you know,
I'm the opinion where if you're a podcast out there,

(12:42):
if you're hosting programming, if you have a public form,
tomkas has always said it, and this is where I
followed it from him because he was very smart about this.
You can't be doing content. You should not have to
do content to where it comes back at you and
you have to apologize for it. And I heard that
message a long time ago, and so when I got

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into podcasting, hosting the content and even before social media,
because I heard Tom like this at that time, make
this message and this has held strong. You have to
be careful with what you say so that you do
not have to apologize or retract what you say. If
you're coming in with information that's accurate and correct. It's
not hard for his ten riders, Jimmy Kimmel to go

(13:26):
ahead and report the right thing. But the problem was
that it wasn't the fact that he was being hateful.
That's normal, that's just one of the mill that's his
modus operadi, and that you could go watch that show.
You're one of those one point five million viewers, you
know what to expect. He's not changing, it's who he is.
And I could have cared less if he was going

(13:47):
on doing his show like he did. It didn't make
a difference to me. I didn't. I don't find myself
going to those programs. I got other stuff to watch.
I got TikTok to watch, and I get a lot
of entertainment off of that, or a lot of YouTube stuff.
But the thing is these media watchdogs are able to
go ahead and look for any little thing they can
find to use for an attack or to use for clickbait.

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And it didn't take much time for what he said
on Monday to Night on his monologue to spread out
the etherit and then when he see says it, the
conservative side outrage like crazy. You can call it fangs,
you can call it what you want, but the outragel's there.
They contacted the ABC affiliates whichever their local stations are,
and I mean next Star. I don't think they're going

(14:34):
to be provoked to do this kind of thing unless
there was an outcry from their audience. But then it's
a domino effect once the affiliates start realizing, oh crap,
we better do something about this. We got to get
on top of this because we can't lose advertisers, we
can't lose viewers. The pressure from network affiliates is very strong.

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So let's go into the actual story from the York.
Time's going to read from when it came to Disney management,
Bob Eiger and his team, time was running out, and
this is the thing that was a really big deal
because this could have been nipped in the butt. Jimmy
Kimble did not have to go back out. But there's
a lot of reasons why this was not going to
go the right direction. And the truth was, Jimmy Kimmel

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at the end of the day should be thinking the
network because his monologue, whatever happened, he can go ahead
and retract and come back on. But the thing, and
he said it on you know typical shows as well,
like if he was to make a mistake, he would
apologize for it. He said it publicly. But ABC Network
was actually trying to keep this from getting out of

(15:43):
hand because Jimmy Kimmell apparently did not plan to apologize.
He was going to double down on what he said.
He was gonna try to add context to it, and
the network was looking at things might be getting worse
if he didn't, if they did not jump in, because
they don't want to cancel a show. He's locked in
until May twenty twenty six. The network season has started

(16:06):
and they have to They don't want to be scrambling
around to put other programming on because of this, they
don't have a backup plan for late night. When they
didn't have Jimmy Kimmel Live to air last night, they
ran Celebrity Family Feud because that was the last bit
of decision. Had nothing else to go and put on,
so they chose that. But people that are watching on

(16:29):
late night television, there's still an audience out there that
wants and expects to listen to watch it late night.
And remember, Jimmy Kimle just came back from vacation and
they don't have any and obviously I guess they don't
have anybody as a backup guest they could bring on
or as a as a host that could come on
as a guest host right away that could have taken

(16:49):
over the show because of what happened, I'm actually surprised
they didn't even do that. But they don't have that
kind of thing anymore.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
So.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
As Jimmy Kimble was ready to tape this Wednesday edition
of his late night show in Hollywood at four thirty PM,
had an opening monologue that would address a cast getting
political firestorm head on. He was going to address it
on the Wednesday monologue, and so Bob Aiker and Dana Walden,

(17:21):
head of television at ABC, We're hearing from skidtish advertisers
along with the affiliates and employees who had begun the
receiving begun receiving threatening messages. And when the team reviewed
what miss Jimmy Kimble was going to remark on his show,
Remember this was all done in the process. Outrage from

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the affiliates, outrage from advertisers, employees getting threatening messages, a
lot of heat coming on at the least. Nana Walden,
Bob Ayger said, you know what, the team needs to
find out. What is Jimmy going to sell on the
show tonight. They wanted to find out, and all they
wanted to find out was are you going to say
something that's going to cool things off about what you said?

(18:08):
Are you going to try to make a culprit or
are you going to double down? And he had to
plan to go and go far farther. That was the plan,
so they didn't cancel the show. People have been misconstruing
that it's not been canceled. It could get canceled, but
it's not canceled right now. They did exactly what they
did with the view. When the View got the issues

(18:29):
with what was being commented on that program, that show
went and definitely suspended. But you know it was also
where the show got brought back for the new fall season.
And now it's back and no feathers have been ruffled
so far on that program. I don't know if it's
gotten more incendiary as it has. I think it's just

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the show that gets always been the show pretty much.
So Jimmy gibble liive they decided to go and take
the show dark, and I don't know what they're gonna
be doing in terms of what they're gonna go and
fill the timesot with for their affiliates. But they decide
to go and do that route. So, as New York

(19:13):
Times reports, Jimmy Kimball in fact was not fired abes
he pulled the show indefinitely quote unquote, but never Executives
on Thursday are still hoping to find a path for
the late night start to return to the air way soon.
They don't want to make us a long thing. They
just want to be able to get past the news cycle.
So to me, they would probably have to wait until
they after the funeral Charlie Kirk on Sunday to go

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along with it. Maybe sometime next week they could try
as early as that. They try to bring the show back,
but they have to address the situation. Whether it's a networker,
they're gonna have the host do something to keep face
and keep doing a show. Because for Jimmy Kimmel, as
a matter of he's been doing that show for so
many years? Has it been fifteen years plus? So the

(19:59):
thing I mean, m you've been longer than that, hasn't
been It's been twenty years, right for Jimmy gibble. It's like, Okay,
do you want to keep doing your show. You're gonna
have to find a way to get past this hump
right here. And that doesn't mean you have to go
and wrestle your laurels and say, Okay, you can't keep
doing the stuff that you've been doing before. Trashing certain
people that you want to go in trash doesn't mean

(20:21):
you can't stop doing that. But you got to figure
out how to go and get yourself around this issue
right here. And I don't know what that's gonna be.
But what is interesting is the fact that we actually
saw the local affiliate stations actually attest to the national networks,

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and the networks responded. They actually complied or actually and
you can say they've bended the neee, but you know,
either way, if the affiliates have a problem with something, yeah,
ABC has to go ahead and respond. They can't just
sit on deaf ears because then these affiliates will come
back to the table and they will not renew because,
like I said, the threat that Channel ten created, that

(21:03):
could happen. It's a precedent and other television stations if
they feel like their affiliate their affiliation right now with
a network is not working in their best interest, they
can drop out.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Now.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
One of the other areas that it's got to be
discussed as well is that at the same time that
Stephen Colbert was let go, it was told that his
show was not going to be renewed at the end
of next season or the end of this season, excuse me,
the twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six season. Once it's gone,
they're not replacing it. That late night programming. I don't

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know if the time slot goes back to the affiliates
or what they're going to do, but that's the plan.
There is no plan for a late night show on
CBS after that. And the thing is, the twelve thirty
show also got canceled. Tiler Thomlinson has been out, you
know for a while now, and that show got canceled,
and then they never brought that show back. They never
brought anything else back. The networks gave the affiliate time slot,

(22:06):
the time slot back to the affiliates. So next Star
they're the owner of local TV stations that came in here.
They have two undred sixty two hundred and sixty five
TV stations forty four states, and that's what the size
of them would be if they're able to go and
close an ongoing six point two billion dollar merger with Techno,

(22:29):
another television network owner owner of TV networks or TV stations.
Excuse me, So there's some discussion about why Kimmel was
going to be dropped, not besides the fact that it
might be the affiliates that these stations that want to
go and merger with another group of TV stations. That's

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one thing. The other thing that's also been spiculated is
the sports aspect offull Nouns put out a story about
the did Disney have an NFL deal in mind when
pulling Jimmy Kimmel? Well, because Randon Carr, the SEC chairman,
has actually done some things when it comes to his
leveraging in the sports media world. Earlier this year, Brandon

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Carr publicly pressured Comcast to renew a deal with the
New York Area regional sports channel Yes Network on favorable terms.
For Yes. Now, Comcast has been pushing regional sports networks
to drop to go more premium expressive tiers on the
expendity cable packages, or drop the channels entirely if they refused.

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So the Yes channel which broadcasts New York to or
Yankees baseball. They were looking to avoid this kind of problem,
so they coos it up to the SCC with a
relationship that Yankee team president Randony Levine had with Donald
Trump to work on trying to get this worked out.

(24:00):
Brendan Carr public pressure comcasts to get a deal done.
Are risk retribution in the form of politically motivated lawsuits
and course of regulatory tactics that the Trump administration has
made a hallmark and as dealings with media companies. So
comcasts would eventually reach a temporary deal to keep y
S network on the more expensive tier, an expensive tier

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throughout the remainder of the baseball season and then the
off season a new deal could be struck. So you
see what happens here in the process. Yes, Brandon Carr
made comments threatening to do something take action on the
the FCC against ABC about the Jimmy Kimmel Show Jimmy
Kimmel Live. So he urges local station groups to pool

(24:45):
Kimmel's programming. Those same local station groups, depending on the SEC,
to renew their licenses and want to consolidate with one
another in a manner that requires SEC approval. They bowed
to Brendan Carr and Kimble's show gets preempted the Disney
and definitely suspends the show. Now, Disney also has a

(25:06):
mega deal with the NFL that will require regulatory approve
of the Trump administration before it can proceed. So as
a mana Kulpa Kimball might be a sacrificial lamb, they're
saying so. Media observers are already saying that late night
TV is already on its deathbed. This, this is quantifiably,
absolutely true. CBS ending a Stephen Colbert's Late Night show

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in March, reportedly losing around fifty million dollars a year.
The economics of late night are no longer here clear cut.
It's unlikely that any late night programming is breaking. Even
from a purely financial perspective, The shows do not command
the viewership that justifies the immense salaries and production budgets.
Whether prestige of an airing late night TV show and
the hell of effect that comes with it is valuable
enough for networks to continue breducing them is debatable. Well,

(25:51):
it's not. The middles of these shows are more vulnerable
than ever, no longer spreadsheet the point that justifies their existence.
Their value is opaque. I couldn't agree more with this.
The late night format. There's just a change in programming
because of the financial landscape right now for network TV.
All these major companies, they try to go ahead and

(26:12):
go to streaming, to go ahead and make up what
they're losing on network TV. Now they're trying to go
back to network TV and create a hybrid so they
can make money off the networks and get back to
making somebody on the streaming. But both of them kind
of help each other out whatever it takes, by whatever
means necessary to make the profits they need. They go

(26:33):
on to say, if that's the financial position of late
night TV, and a viendictive administration begins talking to your show,
when you need the administration, that'same administration to approve a
multi billion dollar deal with the biggest sports league in
the country, the decision making becomes very easy. But let's
make this point it clear as well. You don't get

(26:56):
this kind of flack if you're not poking the bear either. Okay,
I'm not saying anything about that. You shouldn't be able
to poke the bear or make the comments that you
want again free speech, but you poke the bear. You're
gonna get the claws. That's what happens here. You tease
the snake, the snak's gonna come back and bite you.

(27:17):
That's all it's gonna happen. ESPN Chairman Domingan Petaro is
of what you answering a question you actually have? What
did that question about what to do here with the
NFL deal? He's talking with Axios as Sarah Fisher and
could I ask a question about when Jimmy Kimball's pulled
off air to help win regulatory approval for a pending

(27:39):
an NFL deal. Did not say there are other reasons
why this is going on. Let's just make that clear too.
That's just the way it is. But in closing about this,
I'm saying to myself, I did not expect, you know,

(28:02):
that he was gonna get canceled. And I think the
ABC is trying to keep this show on and they
gotta go ahead and get past this storm of controversy
and they might be able to keep the show on
the air because I don't think he's gonna, you know,
for them to try to go and just cancel the
show out right, that's I don't think they want to
do that they still have invested interest in him, and

(28:24):
it would just look bad at go and just drop
him just like that. And I don't know if Disney
or ABC are looking to even would even replace that
timesot with another late night talk show. Probably not, because
there's nobody in the bullpen to do any late night
talk shows ready to go. Let alone the game shows,
let alone any soap operas, you know, those kind of shows.

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As that story from Awful Announcing says, it costs too
much money. Now, the thing is, the networks are not
willing to go and invest any kind of money like that.
The scripted programming. They're not picking up scripted programming from
various movie studios or TV studios. They're doing it in house,
all of them are. And then they use that content

(29:09):
for their streaming services and wherever else they want to
go to distribute. But they're not they're not putting the
money out there like they used to. They're not spending
the kind of money that they did on scriptive programming.
They're not putting that kind of money out They're not
gonna do that money anymore on a late night programming,
that's for sure. And what they are gonna put money

(29:34):
into is sports live, sports live events. That's gonna make
them money. So the network's gonna be relying on that
more than ever, and they will pick programming that will
be easier for them to go ahead and produce cheaper
to produce reality shows things like that. They're gonna just
be gets a bunch cheesers that way, that's gonna be
their preference. I'm honestly surprised. We have all these shows

(29:56):
that are still around now, but the landscape could be
changing a lot very soon because what could very well
happen is I mean, if things don't come out well
for Jimmy Kimmel, he could lose this show, much like
Stephen Colbert because the money doesn't add up. And as
for the night show with Jimmy Fallon, I believe he

(30:19):
still has some time left on his contract, so they
can't really go to either Seth Byers. We know he
already lost his musical crew that was on there performing
on the show. He doesn't have that anymore. And I
don't know how long that show is gonna last because
I mean, Jimmy Fallon and Seth Biers they're not performing

(30:39):
well either. Their numbers are not good either, and it's
amazing that NBC puts so much in the late night anyway,
It's just I don't know how they do it and
how they figure it out. So Deadline also reports late
tonight that there's been many virtual meetings as the executives

(30:59):
and Kimmel's team talking about the under the cloud of
Kimmel being pulled off the air, and they're trying to
go and secure a path with that all parties can
shoulder on ending the indefinite benching of the Jimmy Kimmelia
frontman and these into company's concerns about further MAGA backlash.
One a center told Deadline quote, it's an ongoing discussion

(31:21):
with a lot of the stress on one side. There's
no light at the end of the tunnel tunnel, so
we don't know what's going to go on with this.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Now.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
There's been a lot that's been said by other hosts
out there showing reference and support for their fellow late
night talent and going through all that. I could care
less about all that part, but I think what's going

(31:55):
to happen is time will pass and Jimmy kim will
people just need to go and get together and say listen,
ABC was trying to keep your show from getting canceled
all together. So they had to go and respond to
the pressure. No matter what you say, the pressure is there.
They had to respond to it. So now let's just
go and do something to go ahead and move forward,

(32:18):
find a way to keep the show on the air.
They'll figure out some short term solution right now and
then move forward, and wants you to make a move,
gets back on you. We won't even care anymore. We
don't have gone. But this is a lesson to be
said that, you know what, late night TV has a
short self life left much like newspapers, much like a

(32:39):
lot of other things a medium, it's just something of
a past time. We don't have Johnny Cars, we don't
have Dick Cavit, we don't have Mark Griffin. Okay, we
don't have those shows. We don't have ject par none
of that. Late night TV is dying. And I don't
count Greg Guffod as late night TV because ten o'clock
is not late night. But I think that at some point,

(33:03):
if Network TV is not doing well, if they want
to go in shorten their primetime. Remember they had the
idea where Jaylena was gonna move up to ten o'clock
at night, and they tried to do that for like
five nights a week. It didn't work then, but I
could see them trying to do it again. If they
wanted to do that, put something in a late night
and start at ten o'clock and make that what would

(33:24):
be a late night program to go up against something
like a gutfell at the time like that, I could
see that happening because people are not necessarily watching network
TV all the way through the night. They're not watching
past the local news. I guess this is quite interesting
about that because the other part is that, you know,

(33:46):
I don't know how many lasts you get on that,
because here's the thing. If the late night shows were
performing well, you see them go viral. You see clips
all over the place. Saturday Night Live, their clips do
get viral, they do get laughs, and so people are
wat watching that show, and the ratings are good for
that show, so obviously something being done right on that.

(34:06):
But these other shows, you know, late night talk shows,
you're expected to go and you've always watched it for
comedy or something of an entertainment value, something lighthearted to
get you pass the rest of the day. It's not
like that anymore. I mean, you know, it's one thing
to be serious, like you know, if you want to
watch Charlie Rose or Tom Snyder, I guess, but not

(34:26):
now that's all changed.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Now.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
It was finally getting into the anime stuff because, like
I said, that was fascinating to watch a full house
to watch Demon Slayer, Kimitsun Nuyaba Infinity Castle. Last week
it topped the US box office seventy million dollars seventy
million bucks box office record and domestic sales for that movie.

(34:57):
It was a long movie, like when I looked at,
you know, other anime movies. Just to give a little
background on what I've watched, I did watch the last
Demsslayer movie. I forget the name of the extra part
of it was. I did watch One Piece. There was
two movies of One Piece, right, No, sorry, there was

(35:18):
a Dragon ball Z moview. I saw Broley, and I
saw the other one after that, and then it was
a one Piece movie. I saw that, and I forget
what else. But it's like when they've been out there,
I've tried to catch it. I wanted to watch Attack
on Titan, couldn't find it, and when there's been other

(35:38):
anime movies. I wanted to catch those two, but I
haven't caught them. It just kind of looked out. Now
I'm trying to go through some of the movies that
are out there that I did watch. So I did
watch one piece film Red, I did see Dragon Ball
Super Superhero. The other one I saw was Commence the

(36:04):
Nyaba to the Hashira Training. I did see that one
that was last year. So, like I said, I don't
keep up with this. I don't know the storylines, i
don't know the characters, but I'm fascinated by watching these
movies and that's what I do.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Man.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
It's like, okay, why not now Crunchy Role is the
major supplier of these movies, and let's just give you
the idea of what these movies have done so far,
because I've only started recently starting to put out movies
for a large audience. Now, of the ones they put
out that they at least grossed a million dollars. Domestically.

(36:43):
You have sort of online the movie Progressive Sure Show,
Scirt Show of Deep Night. I was looking for that movie.
I think they only had a very limited release anyway,
so I couldn't find it Blue Locked the movie that
was the that was the one that was like I
remember that was I can't remember what was called, but
I remember it was like this, not like it was
like an academy, like a spy thing or whatever. I

(37:04):
forget what it was, but it was like I remember
it was like a training thing as well, or unless
that's the soccer one I don't remember. Then there's one
piece film read. I did see that. There was another
dem mist Layer movie I must have missed because that
was the to the Swordsmith Swartsmith Village. I missed that one.

(37:27):
And then dragon Ball Super Superhero which was also pretty good.
But then also what was out there and I forget
who it was it ran it, but dragon Ball Z
broadly that was the one that really picked the lock
of like movies coming out and making a big deal
because that was the one that I remember catching. It
was one of the first times that's one of those
animated movies that I saw, like it was based on

(37:50):
one of those two Nomia episodes, and that right there
was like my goodness, it was Gangbusters full house and
and everybody was all into it. Like I was just
fascinated by that. Dragon Ball Super broadly. I was twenty
fourteen December fourteenth, one hundred and twenty two million dollars worldwide,

(38:12):
an amazing number of what you have. Yeah, when they
went super saying, the crowd went wild. It's like when
you saw all three Super all three Spider Mans. When
the Super Sian started off, they were like, man, this
is crazy, and that's what everybody was all into and
they were just cheering like crazy. But the one thing
is these movies don't have a large production budget. Eight
point five million dollars for that budget in particultar and

(38:36):
to think this movie beat the Conjuring Last Rites last weekend,
the biggest opening ever for the genre by a huge margin. Amazing.
And there's a chance that even this weekend, because it's
a week setup of movies coming out this weekend, that
Demas Layer might hit number one again. It's amazing, but

(38:59):
it's also a larger story to be said. So you
got a big bull of beautiful Journey, Him and the Senior.
They're all coming out this weekend, and Demas Slayer might
continue to win again because they can. It's amazing. Now.

(39:20):
The one thing that helps is that when it comes
to all of the movie studios when they can't find
any intellectual property of their own that's going to make money.
Sony Entertainment was able to go and do thing here
where they are distributing these movies, putting them out on
a lot of screens to get it out there, and
they're realizing the crowds are coming for it, flocking to

(39:45):
see this movie. That's just like a Marvel sized line
in concessions and a packed house an RPX, which is
you know, two hundred fifty seats in there full, and
that was doing very well all weekend. Amazing and not
in America has already made a twenty nine million dollar opening.

(40:05):
You're seventeen million, Middle East six million, India five point
two million, and for India that was the biggest opening
weekend for an animated or anime film. And like I said,
the movies that coming out, you would think they were
gonna do pretty well. Margot Robbie, Colin Farrell, Big Bold,
Beautiful Journey. They've promoted that for months now and not

(40:27):
a lot of promotion behind it, but I've seen quite
a few trailers of it, so I know what it's about.
And him, you know, it looks like another Jordan Peel movie,
but I've seen that also a lot. But the problems
with him is that the ratings are bad, Like the
reviews are horrible. I think it started off with thirty
six percent on Rotten Tomatoes already on the critics side,
so it doesn't look it looks like it's doing that
ever while. But yeah, at the moment last check of

(40:52):
Finnerty Castle, overall worldwide distribution, it's got four hundred and
sixty seven million dollars half a billion dollars for an
anime movie. That is huge. And I thought, you know,
when I started seeing some of those other movies that
came out and doing as well as they did, I'm
not surprised by that. So when it comes down to it,

(41:16):
keep an eye on Country Role and what other movies
that are out there the animated room, because they're doing
really well. It's not just the fact that where it's
a country Role that was doing the movies getting him
out to the movie distribution. But now you got Sony
Pictures behind it and they're making some money off of it.

(41:45):
And Sony Pictures, by the way, you know, to have
the Marvel franchise with all Spider Man's Men in black Jumanji,
among the other movies that they also carry. And to
see now that they're getting a share into the mix
now with anime is something amazing because right now, for

(42:11):
so many pictures, Dema Slayer is the highest grossing movie
they have this year. Incredible, and they've put out twenty
movies this year. This right here domestically, it's doing gang
busters right now. Number one movie they have right now
is Demon Slayer. That's big. It's also gone to the

(42:37):
point where New York Times has actually been pretty well
about this as well. It's the fourth film Infinity Castle
of a Japanese epic about a boy a venting his family,
and the film industry has been investing heavily in anime,
so much of this distinctive styles now seemingly everywhere. So

(43:00):
you got to remember, at first, the movie studios did
not necessarily want to go ahead and run the animes
themselves because I didn't think it would an audience a
mainstream moneibles will actually go into it. So when you
saw Akira, you saw in live action, you saw Goes
to the Shell, you saw in a live action, and
there was a lot of complaints about, well, there's not
Asian actors that are performing this. But now we're at

(43:20):
the point where the audience is now mature enough, or
at least the audience we have now in this generation,
they want to see the movies in their way. Okay.
The other two is interesting to me is that when
you go catch these movies, is you want to catch
it in a dubbed version or if you want to
catch it with subtitles. I actually watched it with subtitles.
I don't have a preference on either one, but I

(43:44):
already see now that the dubbed versions are the ones
that people go to. That's what they flock to. And
you know, okay, fine, so they did. Channing Tatum was
one of the voices of the dub version of Demon Slayer.
I didn't realize that until later, But yeah, it's interesting
for animation efficionados, we know we have the types of

(44:07):
animation that's been out there, and you know, in a way,
you feel like some of what anime does is a
bit of a day limited animation style that the Hanna
Barbera Folks has to do back in the day, but
this is much more perfected and much more stylish, and
the quality is just amazing on it So first is
the mangas, the comic book versions that they have that

(44:29):
go into becoming their own versions. After that you had
Fundimation that started becoming very popular with doing this kind
of stuff. And then the crunchy Roll, the largest global
anime extreaming service, started distributing animes from the mid nineteen
nineties and started changing things up and they have done
a lot of work where you get dubbing, and the

(44:49):
thing was that this Japanese content being prepared for Western audiences.
They've done a good job of it, and there have
been certain animes that have taken up the popularity and
that's where you also see what it comes in for.
I mean, at one point it was Tanami and Cartoon

(45:11):
Network that really an adult swim that everybody was really
flocking through those shows. Now it's crunchy Roll or somewhere
else they can find anime or in Netflix, as we say,
And it's not just limited to crunchy Roll and to
what Sony Pictures is distributing, because look at what k
Pop the Mill Hunters is doing for Netflix right now,
and it got to movie theaters and it performed. Keep

(45:33):
that in mind too. This summer, the end of the
summer was not consumed with any large, big budget movie. No,
not at all. That happened earlier in the year. Now,
the end of summer August into September, it's been anime movies.
It's amazing. So Funimation was getting themselves together to get

(45:55):
the anime ball rolling to mainstream to America. The fundation
trying to shop Dragon ball Z networks, the networks like
ABC that passed, And the thing is just that the
networks didn't think they could go and put the kind
of shows that are like anime out there. I mean
they did. They did have Astro Boy, they did have

(46:17):
speed Racer things like that, but you know, or and
then later than that we had Sailor Moon, but it
wasn't something that everybody would go out there to go
and catch or Giganteur. Right. Daniel cochin Hour found our fundation,
talked about that there is this episodic style stuff. It

(46:38):
doesn't work in the US. You recall the network saying
Dragon ball Z would end up being the first blockbuster
anime series on American television. Two Nami Adult Swimming's U
late night weekend programming slots or their their slate. They
picked up the first fifty six episodes of Dragon Ball
Z for daily after school broadcast that sorted nineteen ninety

(46:59):
eight immediate hit, and in one year it became the
number one showing cartoon network and helped take them from
forty million to eighty million households, and a few years
after the two nominee debut, the series helped make the
Fundation the fifth largest distributor of HS tapes and DVDs
in the United States, just behind Columbia Universal. So you
have those kids going back that far getting into anime,

(47:22):
and then you had Dragon Ball Z and Pokemon finding
success in America and everything else at fall would is
come into play, and I remember with my friend Chuck,
he exposing me all this stuff an Ayasha sort our
online demon note, Naruto now Burruto right, all that kind

(47:43):
of stuff. It was amazing getting all caught up in
that and Bleach among others. Pokemon would become a hit
on the W network soon after Dragon Ball Z and
become the highest grossing media franchise in history and ever
expanding universe of treading cards, toys, of clothing, and branded snacks.
I still remember not long ago in Pokemon the app

(48:05):
came out there and people started getting into that too,
like just crazy. International revenues now represent more than half
of the estimated thirty seven billion dollars Japanese animation industry.
North America the largest market outside of Asia and gen
Z are the American is the American demographic des set
watching the most people in their teens in twenties, for

(48:27):
whom anime is synonymous with animation, the way that while
Disney was for baby boomers are alluding to it for
people like me. And like I said, there's been times
where you see the anime bug getting caught on and
people are obviously paying attention to it. South Park doing
several episodes, an arc of episodes with an anime look,

(48:48):
Rick and Morney creating an anime version of their series.
But these are the ones that are gonna be popular again.
It's like the Superheroes. Those are the animes right now
are getting the most traction. There are others the Boy
in the Hair. There's mos like My Neighbor Tatro that
are you know, much more dramatic and not so action
filled that are also being very popular. The Studio Gibili

(49:11):
stuff that gets like, you know, critically acclaimed stuff, and
it's showed them like you know, film festivals and things
like that, but it's gotten popular, and I'm fascinated by
the fact that this is something when you have a
mainstream that is dying right now at divine, what comes
up now out from under the mainstream but actually crosses over.

(49:33):
Because that's what's happening right now. It's not like anybody's
helping out with us, but anime has crossed over into
the mainstream ether the fact that movie theaters now can
benefit and can profit from anime. Dragon Ball's z Droli
was the first movie that I saw that really made
that difference. I was twenty eighteen December twenty eighteen, and
all of a sudden, I look at him, saying, it's

(49:55):
just growing. It's blown up. And so I do catch
these movies when they come out because I'm fascinated by it.
Blue Lock, Deamless Layer, dragon Ball is the one piece
fascinated by it. Of course, one piece has their own
live action series right now. They're trying to do that,
but you know, the live action doesn't really work out
as much as the animated, but I think everybody's gotten

(50:16):
used to watching it. My only thing with Demislator was
it was too long. You know, the formula is fine,
but like it was long. There's like a lot of
different individual stories are going through, and I was pretty
much into it for like the verse hour forty five minutes,
but then it just felt a little bit repetitive. Yeah,
they're Infinity cast and they have all these different people
they have to go and fight, But like when the

(50:36):
action just keeps stopping and then we get intermission with
another backstory, the internation backstories, it just kept taking the
momentum away from me. I know that the Japanese audience
probably can appreciate that, and also the audience that watches
anime regularly on the television series itself before they see
these feature films. I could see that part, But for me,

(50:57):
the momentum as an older fan, I don't get that
stop start kind of stuff that kind of like takes
me away. Who knows, we'll go ahead and watch more
of it. I don't know what I'll do. I would
try to watch it this Saturday if I had time,
but there's just too much going on. I gotta do
wrestling podcast this weekend, so I don't have time for it.
But I did watch it this past Friday, if it's
still around, I'll figure it out. But like you know,

(51:19):
there's other movies I gotta catch, and that's just a
Saturdays are just tough right now because I don't have
football season and there's other things going on, and I
can't commit to another night in the movie theaters right
now just to have the time for it. So it's okay, okay, now,
whether we're all past those two major headlines, I wasn't

(51:39):
gonna have. I wasn't gonna wait to do the anime
stuff the next week. I just wanted to get both
of these stories in here this week, so you get
an extended version of Broadcasters Podcast. Welcome to that all
right now. Interesting story from Sean Ross Ross and radio
at Radio Insight dot com. Radio I n SIJHD dot com,
which will make sure I make credit where credits too.

(52:01):
He puts up an article asking is the preteen audience
golden or toxic? So he says that you know, broadcasters
evactively wanted the listeners who asked them what they liked,
and we were happy if they showed up by osmosis
or the music we were playing for their parents worked

(52:22):
for them as well as it did in nineteen ninety
eight or twenty ten. But radio and teens are out
of each other's consideration sets by similarly mutual agreement. If
radio decided to give teens what they wanted, what would
they whe would they start with with Tyler the creator
female singer songwriters, your niece likes, who might be variously
found on show TikTok or Triple A Radio classic rock?
Connie Francis like, what would you put on? And then

(52:48):
he asked about the argument would be about whether Top
forty should acknowledge teens much less catered to them has
been playing out to the generations, so the bubblegum popped explosion.
If you were listening in the sixties, seventies, and eighties,
there's just certain acts that would just say, well, this
is why I went to rock, this is why I
went to rap, like things like that, Well not rap

(53:09):
at that time, but you know, you want to saying
what I'm talking about phases of pop music sequence sequentially
makes it clear that what we've been talking about all
along really has been about those acts that appealed to
preteens and younger teens. And that's where we have right
now with Huntrex's Golden and the K Pop Demon Hunter's soundtrack.
I don't think it's a much younger audience. I don't

(53:31):
think it's a significally preteen audience. I don't think there's
that because there's nothing being canaid preteen like to day's
the Nickelodeon and Dizzy Channel dominating with their own programming.
That's gone again, just like the late night TV children
shows that fit to the preteen audience. That's also a
dying breed that doesn't happen anymore. We don't have Radio

(53:55):
Disney anymore. That's another thing that we also talked about,
and also with one of my more popular episodes of
my When I'm Not Podcasting essue episodes back in the day,
he's talking about if Golden is considered a kids record,
and if you think so, then you might ask, so
what if it is and the song is a brace

(54:16):
of a actually driving away listeners, that's one thing that
the answer is merely that some adults are indifferent to it.
The lady suggests that there are a lot of songs
we're playing that listeners of all ages are in different
to as well. It's not so I will say that
what we're getting out of Golden I don't think I know.
For me, I haven't watched Kate Pop Demon Hunters, and

(54:38):
so I've listened to the songs they have out there.
There are other songs that are in here that absolutely
give me a bubble gum fill to it, and I
can't listen to it. So to pop from the K
pop dem Hunter child I can't listen to, I can't
or how it's done also very like descend us Disney type.
I can't listen to that now. But there is some

(54:59):
of that. Not surprised, but it's part of that thing
where you're trying to realize there is the movie, and
that's the thing where it's like what radio is out there?
You don't have a preteen audience, but you have musical
like Golden You could be playing out there along with
another set of music that is popular on TikTok and
find a way to go and get to a younger audience.

(55:20):
Because younger audience is into certain acts that are very
pop friendly. They will listen to Sabrina Carpenter, they will
listen to, you know, K pop acts like Kat's Eye
or Black Pink, things like that, but those are also
I don't feel like there's a teen groups either because

(55:42):
the music doesn't have that kind of feel to it.
I mean, especially with K pop, their music is very
much an EDM kind of feel to it with a
pop twist to it, and it's good. I mean think
the quality of the music is pretty good. And that's
why I saw on my playlists. By the way, if
you want some good playlists to listen to, I have
six of them right now that actually host on Spotify,

(56:04):
and you can find the links to all of them
on my website, Kingopodcasts dot com, King of Podcasts dot com.
You want to go and check that out. I hope
you'll consider that TikTok one in three chart topping hits
in Germany got first viral on TikTok, so music going
into the European ether. That's something is very important because

(56:27):
of how there is so when it comes to TikTok
and songs going viral and then those songs therefore become
chart topping hits. In Germany, the world's fourth largest recorded
music market, they're seeing that one in three tracks that
hit the top position on the charts went viral first
on TikTok. In twenty twenty four, more than one in

(56:51):
four of the songs that made it that the German
Top one hundred singles chart and twenty twenty four were
for successful on TikTok on average thirteen days before entering
the chart. When it comes to American music, TikTok also
says the path of many charts successes begins on TikTok.
They also may have mentioned of Illuminate, which works with Billboard.

(57:14):
They said to overfit these catalog songs made their way
onto the Board Global two hundred via the platform in
twenty twenty four. Permarily hits from the eighties. Twenty twenty
tens songs like an No Shunshine by Bill Withers Lingered
by the Cranberries celebrated debuts in the Global Top two
hundred after viral success on TikTok. Another great example, Alphaville's

(57:34):
Forever Young turned forty years old in twenty twenty four
and the band was rewarded with attention of the TikTok
community with the view when the video was viewed, millions
of times accorporated into your videos and thus paved the
way the song to get back on the charts. Amazing
and when songs get repurpose, Peter Shillings Major Tom became

(57:58):
the official goal anthem of the German national team for
the European Football Championship. Became a head again forty three
years after release. Use them more than eighty thousand video
creations before entering the singles charts forty three years after
its first appearance. Setting your record, TikTok said Peter Shilling
upon the announcement, says that quote music knows those boundaries,

(58:20):
it connects generations, and it always finds new ways to
touch hearts. End quote. TikTok. Last December release data that's
showing the thirteen to sixteen tracks that reached number one
of the Billboard Hot one hundred were inked linked to
some way to a trend on TikTok, and eighty four
percent of the songs that reached the Billboard Global two
hundred and twenty twenty four had gone viral on TikTok. First,

(58:42):
TikTok is important, keep an eye on it. I'm surprised
on how much music I'm finding right now from TikTok
as a result, especially when they put that new thing
in place where if you're an Apple podcast or Spotify
user and you connect your Spotify or Apple Podcast to
TikTok and then you can hit that little plus button

(59:02):
to have like songs and you can go ahead and
collect songs that you hear on TikTok. And is Y
said the most you can actually get catch it on
the platform and put into your Spotify list. You can
go look for it and put on the playlist. Fascinating.
I love it and I've honestly done that to go
and catch a bunch of artists because it goes right

(59:23):
to your like songs list. And there are new artists
that I've caught on right now that I you know,
I was surprised for listening to It's good stuff, and
I mean TikTok has introduced me to a bunch of artists.
I really enjoy. Avara da Vida Leone is a new
artist right now. I remember when Leah Kid came out
with you Know ten Things I Hate About You and

(59:43):
I kept following her on. There a lot of stuff
from cats I have found from TikTok. When it comes
to Trinity Lake, I learned about Tory Halloob, who's does
an amazing It just sounds like the epitome of like
if Karen Carverer were alive. Her voice is like an angel,
still a cole who does like the great American song

(01:00:05):
but she's fascinating. I love her. She sounds amazing natural
voice singers. And there's others out there that do the same.
But I love that stuff. TikTok, and then that gateway
to Spotify is a wonderful, wonderful welcome thing for me.
By the way, Spotify striking deals with Sony for records

(01:00:26):
and publishing, improving songwriter royalties. And it says from Billboard,
a new multi year global partnership with Sony Music has
been done by Spotify. They're the third and final major
to sign new deals with Spotify this year. Two more

(01:00:47):
stories I want to jump in on. When it comes
to YouTube, YouTube music has now new tools to connect
art with super fans, a new suite of new tools
to help better connect with and monetize their most dedicated fans.
During they Made It on YouTube event on Tuesday, they
announced this. So the features new conclude new release countdowns

(01:01:07):
and album pre says on YouTube Music, plus exclusive video
and merch drops for top fans. Good stuff, because the
idea is then to let the album release cycle come
in create anticipation around upcoming releases. So YouTube Music has
a set up right now. Spotify does a great job
of that. Also, YouTube is doing a new video clip

(01:01:28):
tool for podcasters, AI powered tools to design help to
help podcasters promote and monetize their content more effectively. So
the two key EI AI tools mentioned are AI power
Clipping for video podcasts and AI Video Generation for audio

(01:01:50):
only podcasts. But I mean, that's gonna be nice to
start to check it out. I'm all go ahead check
out for ourself, at least for the audio podcast side,
to see what kind of stuffing to do with the
AA video and see if it's any good. Otherwise, I
can still keep doing what I'm doing right now. I'm
fine with that anyway. It's not a problem for me.

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So this weekend I'm gonna go watch After Burn Oga Kalinko,
Dave Batista, Samuel L. Jackson's in it among the that
are in this movie. So well, if it's gonna be
any good, I know next week I gotta watch one
battle after another Leo DiCaprio. That should be really good
next week, and a lot of rest are gonna get
it this weekend. So it's a busy busy weekend for
yours truly. Anyway, A lengthy broadcaster is podcast for all

(01:02:37):
of you. Ill hope you've enjoyed it. Come back next
week for another episode. Remember the content is king. Remember
don't do content you got to apologize for, and of
the content is in your hands.

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